WEBVTT - Jessica Payne (Southern) 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:18.000 Carol. She's a queen of talking. He's got the scoop. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:30.280 No one can do Carol Carol. No one can do 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:38.519 Carol Carolin. This interview is so awesome. I have Jessica 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.919 Payne with me. I called her Jeff Southern because that's 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.640 her Instagram name and I always just know hers Jess Southern, 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:45.600 but her real name is jess Payne because she married 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.879 the love of her life and she's freaking awesome. She's 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.120 a makeup artist, not just any makeup artist, celebrity makeup artist. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.280 She started when she was just out of high school, 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.480 moved straight to New Yorker and hear all about that story. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.720 She marked straight up to Forward Agencies, Model Agencies, and 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.240 like brought her portfolio. She says should go get her. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.120 Her first kid she landed was with Pamela Anderson's makeup artists. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.480 It's incredible and she's also just one of the kindest people. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.600 She shares her whole journey. She's been on Jesse James 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.600 Decker's TV show on e all the seasons that she's 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:19.480 had it on. She's just an incredible person. She's so interesting, gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.760 and she's pregnant with her little girl. Oh, y'all get excited. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:32.280 Here's jess Paine a K. Jess Southern. Oh my goodness, Jess, Hi, 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:38.680 I'm so happy to see you. Jessica Payne, Yes, yes, okay, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.880 So I always called you jes Southern because that is 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:45.560 your Instagram Instagram handle, but it's Jessica Payne. MS. Miss 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.400 is Jessica Payne. This is Jessica Payne. I know. It's 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.200 so funny because sometimes people are like, wait, I thought 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:51.760 Southern was your last name, and I'm like, no, I 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.960 don't even know I have a Southern tattoo. And that's 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.520 the whole reason I did it. Other than that I 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.440 have no I mean, I'm born from the South, but yeah, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.320 that's it, so not my last name. I do love that. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.720 How so, just you are born from the South and 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.400 southern it says southern is what your tattoo says. Yeah, 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.240 it's um. It used to be. I felt very like 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.280 Angelina esque, you know what, a girl like. I was like, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.799 I'm gonna get a badass tattoo and it just says 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.680 southern and like an old like kind of whiskey riding 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.440 and I don't even drink whiskey, so it doesn't even 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.519 make sense, but I just love the font and yeah, 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.280 it just says southern, so that's kind of why I 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:30.480 did it. I was like, well, I don't know what 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.519 my Instagram names should be. Well, I haven't tattoo that 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.520 says southern, so I'll just go with that. I love it, 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.119 and I fel like I'm wondering how bad it's gonna 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.480 stretch when I'm older, but I know that's how I 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.440 feel too, Like I'm I got tattoos in my arms. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.239 I'm like, when I have like saggy old lady skin, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.960 is it gonna be like three little birds on fence posts, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:49.919 I'm gonna have so many wrinkles in between, and that's 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.320 a guy that's a face in there. Yes, it will. 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.200 Actually that's what mine will say, like s N or something, 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:56.919 because I know an old man that had his name 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.919 was Phil, and I was like, why do you have 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.200 PL on your arm? And he goes, no, honey, and 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.359 he's stretched out and it's actually Phil, but because he's 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.480 so old, it like just wrinkled up to p L. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.320 So I'm like, I'm gonna have s N when I'm older. Hey, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.200 you know, living in the moment, enjoying the day. I'm like, 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.880 I'll worry about that when i'm older. Exactly exactly, I'll 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.040 get a tattoo removal of that point. Okay, so we're 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:25.440 reaching the end of my influencer series, So happy you 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.000 could join me via skypird Zoom whatever this is. I 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.880 have never done this before. I am so technology like idiotic. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:36.800 So this is amazing that it's working. I know, I'm impressed. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.680 I'm like, I've never even heard of zoom? What is that? 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.160 I heard it from Julie Solomon. She was like, because 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.280 I'm gonna sing with her and she was like, have 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.360 you do you have Zoom? And I was like, no, 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.440 but if she's using it's probably what we should do. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.000 It's it's probably yeah, exactly, she's so smart with all 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.560 that stuff. I'm putting everything, you know, everything, but you're 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.880 so smart. Yes, Like, if Julie says it, then that's 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.280 what we need to do. Yes, I agree with that. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.320 So I kind of just want to talk to you 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.560 about your journey. Tell me about like how you got 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:09.000 into makeup, how you what your thoughts on influencing are, 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:14.040 what this whole wild West world is of social media? 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.480 Like being a job now, you know, like because so 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.360 many people want to get into this world because it's 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.800 it is such just a new world with so much potential. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.119 Like how how did you get into makeup and then 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.960 entertainment and how did it evolve into the social media 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.160 empire that you have? So I got into makeup, so 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.120 my my dad. Um, it was so funny because like 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.279 I think, like back then it was so weird, but 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.880 it's it's kind of common now. So my mom worked 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.359 at a chemical plant and my dad was a hairstylist, 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.720 so it was such like a reversal of like, you know, 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.479 what the normal gender jobs were back then, which is 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.560 so weird. Um, So my dad was a hairstylist and 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.039 he is the creative one, and my mom was the 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.479 like buy the book, organized one. So I took after 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.960 my dad and my sister, my half sister, um in 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:15.160 that aspect. And I you know, I always loved, like, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.839 you know, watching the hairstyles and the cutting, and even 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.919 though I knew I didn't want to do that, Like 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.680 I knew that I personally didn't want to cut or color, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.320 um because I'm too a d D. I would mess 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.440 up somebody's color just by like talking to them. So 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.240 I know better than that. But I knew that I 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.400 wanted to do like something artistic, and I started drawing, 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.960 So I instead of drawing, I would paint like faces. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.000 So when I was in elementary and um, middle school 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.440 and high school, I would always like just paint faces, um, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.440 and then I would you know, add makeup to them 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.920 and eyelashes and blush and all of this other stuff. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.719 But I would love doing it with like flower pedals 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.440 because my memo, UM was like, honey, we lived in 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.280 the Great Depression. We just like ground up some flowers 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.440 and put water in it, and that's what we did. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.279 That's what we used for makeup. So that was like 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:08.799 my first actual makeup was you know, grounding up flowers 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.520 in the garden with my mammal and I could put 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.480 it on the paper and then she would let me 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.960 put it on my cheeks. But my mom did not 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.240 know about it. Um. My mom was very and my 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.600 mom was very anti makeup. UM. And then I started 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:28.040 doing it like on my friends and on you know, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.480 like I didn't I didn't get to do it all myself. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.520 My mom was very strict about that, so I could 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.359 do it on her. I could do it all my friends, 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.640 and I started doing it for girls for prom and 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.240 then um, I was like, this is what I want 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.120 to do. And I moved to New York and I 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.440 went to New York. I was eighteen when I moved 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.840 to New York, Like I literally graduated said out. Yeah, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.720 I went straight to New York because I was like, 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.600 where'd you go up? Where'd you go in Kingsport, Tennessee. Okay, 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.600 So I was like, if I don't leave now, I'm 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.240 going to be here. It was like kind of like 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.400 it's it's a great town, but it's one of those 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.560 towns that if you don't, like I feel like immediately leave, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:11.239 then like you just might stay. So I was like, Okay, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.680 I graduated, and you knew you had dreams you had 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.560 to pursue, so you're like, I gotta get out. Yeah. Yes, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.120 And I knew that, like I wanted to do makeup 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.280 in magazines, Like that's what I wanted to do. I 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.920 didn't know what it was called, but I knew that 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.520 was it. And I went to the Forward Modeling Agency, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:32.000 which is hilarious because they were models everywhere in New York. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.400 You just walked into it. Yeah. So I looked up 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.040 for their open calls because I didn't know how to 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:42.520 start as a makeup artist. So I'm like so short. Obviously, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.560 I'm like five to and um a tad thicker than 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.680 the most models to New York especially. So I'm like 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.160 in this agency and I have this little these little 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.520 photographs of a book and they were from prom pictures 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.400 and makeup that I've done on my mom, like not 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.840 a makeup artist book. And I walked in and they 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.880 got to my name because it was an open car, 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:11.440 and he was like, sweetie, these pictures aren't you. So 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.200 I'm confused. And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.040 And I was like, yeah, no, I want to do makeup. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.280 And he was like, oh okay. He was like because 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.800 and I'm like, I know I'm too short and I'm 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:27.680 too chubby, So it's okay chubby for I am for 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.760 those like tall, thin models, Yes I am. So I 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.400 don't know, I want to do makeup. And he was like, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.720 you know what, I admire your ambition. What I'm gonna 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.319 do is set you up with this photographer Andrew Bruckner, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.000 and he works with a lot of makeup artists and 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.120 he'll have you learned, and he was like, because now 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.840 it's there. He was like, I can see, like for 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.440 you not to have any training, it's there. We just 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.160 need to tweak some things. So he introduced me to Andrew, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.400 and then Andrew introduced me to um Alexis Vogel, which 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.480 was Pam Anderson's makeup at the time, and she had 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.960 all like the Vogel cosmetics. Oh gosh, was perfect Pam 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:12.199 Anderson's makeup artists. Immediately, I was like I was dying 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.480 because you know, I'm in the South and I loved 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.679 any girl with big blonde hair, you know. And I 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.559 was just like, oh my god, you did the liplider 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.280 on Pam Anderson, like you have your you have your 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.880 own makeup one. I watched it late at night, like 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:31.760 when I'm asleep, like yeah. So I was so excited. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:37.400 And um, I learned pretty much everything from her, which 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.920 is weird because people are like, what did she tell you? 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.520 She didn't tell me anything for you like her apprentice. Yeah, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.280 so I assist. So she had a bunch of assistance, 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:50.520 but I would assist her like on shoots. Okay, um, 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.000 and I got to assist on the sheet with Pam 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.320 Anderson and I was just like dying, like the whole 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.320 day I was in it was she so nice he was. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.000 She was like the nicest, nicest, nice as human, like 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.640 so sweet. And I get so defensive when somebody says 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.480 anything bad about her, like don't you talk about him 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.680 that way? Like at my pain? Would you talk about Pam? 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.560 She is a nice woman, like I love her um 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.680 And yeah, so she didn't. She wasn't like this is 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.240 what you need to do. If I asked, oh, how 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.000 did you do that, she'd be like, well, how do 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.400 you think that I did it? Like I want to 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.480 figure about want have you figured out? So it was 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.880 a weird way of teaching, but I liked it because 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.079 her biggest thing. And it's stuck with me to where 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.200 I went on to train UM artists at a company 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.000 called Washington, but it's stuck with me. Then she was like, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.960 I never want to take away somebody's natural instinct because 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.400 your natural instinct is usually the best way that you're 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.880 going to portray that type of work. So how would 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.520 you naturally do that? Okay, And it might have been 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.400 different than her way, but it was really cool, Like 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.559 it was really cool, like you could be the best 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.600 artist you could be that I could take inspiration from her, 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:08.200 but like be yourself exactly. And it was such a 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.880 cool way. And most people when I tell them that, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.080 they're like, that's so weird. You would think that she 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.520 would tell you this stuff, and I'm like, yeah, but 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.400 she also really made me think. So it made me 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:23.720 go home and like mixed colors and work to see 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.600 how I blended better or how I controured better. It 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.040 just it made you think, which I think is awesome. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:35.000 And it genuinely taught me to be my own artists 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.840 as opposed to just call he did. That's incredible. So 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:45.680 you got right into I got very well because because 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.360 luck to me is true. But you also majorly put 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.240 yourself out there by moving to New York City and 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.440 jumping into like forward modeling agency and like just showing 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.240 up with your poor fault folio from high school. You know, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.440 I mean that to me is what it takes. You 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.760 have to be brave and take that jump. You know. Yes, No, 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.440 I a hundred percent agree with that. Everybody thought I 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.480 was completely crazy, and my mom didn't want me to 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.480 move obviously. She wanted me to go to college. And 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.880 do you know the right, the right thing, that the 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.960 good thing that you should do because education is very important. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.440 But I was like, no, that's not what I want 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.480 to do, like I want to I want to do this, 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.680 And she gave me one month to make so she 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.600 paid for one month of rent, food, subway, everything. She 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.600 was like the next month. If you don't have it, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.760 you come back home. You had you had a quick 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.640 timeline I had. I had. I had thirty days of 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.400 a timeline in New York City at eighteen, only thirty days. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.000 Girls got to go. Yeah. So my second day there, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.040 I went and got a job at a company called 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:54.280 wet Seal. I love what Seals. It was so good 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.840 right ever, just a little bit slutty, perfectly just look 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.319 perfectly slow. I heard too much, but it was amazing. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.720 So I got a job there and then I realized 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.800 after my paycheck that I wasn't going to make my 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.160 New York rent. And I was talking to one of 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:11.719 the girls about it. I'm like, I just don't want 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.040 to go home, like I can really do this. She 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.280 was like, let me introduce you to this guy, Seth, 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.400 who works at this nightclub called Swede. And I was like, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.520 oh my god, the suede that like all this slebs 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:27.000 go to like like Joey Fatone Tuesdays. Oh my god. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.400 So I was like, yes, so I worked coach check 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.240 um at Swede and believe it or not, CoA check 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:38.440 in New York pays very well. Really, Oh my gosh, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:42.880 I don't think yeah, girl, yes it pays. It pays 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.840 so good because they're paying you to do the job 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.040 and then you're getting like a dollar per coade that 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.680 you check and it's New York so it's cold, like 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.760 dropping the coaches that night. Wow. So yeah, I mean 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.160 like I made my rent in like four days. So 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.760 tip standing on moving to New York. Become a coach. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.400 Didn't become a coach check girl. You don't really have 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:03.800 to do. Anything you have to do is like give 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.040 them their tag and then is it. And people are like, 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.920 oh really co check. I'm like until you get the money, like, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.640 don't don't knock it, because I did what I had 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.520 to do, and I did that and I worked with 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.960 the most I met some of the most amazing people. Say, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.840 you probably met awesome people because people coming in and 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.680 out of a bar like that or a nightclub are 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.360 probably pretty fantastic. Yeah, No, they were awesome and I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.120 still you know, um, one of the owners was Aton Sugarman, 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.240 and I still keep in contact with him, Like he's 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.200 got a great restaurant now. Like that whole family was 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:41.280 just so close knit and any time I had a 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.120 problem or anything, I would go to them. They were 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.280 like big brothers. So it was it was just great 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.400 and that's yeah. And then after that I just started 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.680 I'm sorry, Oh, it's like, um, the dogs are crazy. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.080 There's like a Melman. They're like, get real, life is happening. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.280 It's all good, it's happening, and like yeah pharaohs like 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.200 I need a tention. I need attention. Um. But yeah, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.080 so after that I just started to makeup. And then 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.920 I got with Fuel TV and then they're like, hey, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.360 you want to move out to l A and do 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.360 p j um fuel TV. So it was like action 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.880 sports because I loved action sports. And then that's when 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.160 I moved to l A. Okay, so then you get 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:20.600 in l A and then do you just get into 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.160 the whole world and make up out there? Was that 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:27.200 an easy transition for you? That was? It's weird because 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.680 I worked in action sports and that was easy and 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:35.800 steady work. Um and then a lot of other stuff 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.600 happened in l A that kind of unfortunately put my 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.720 makeup on hold because, Um, I was with somebody that 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.200 genuinely was scared of me being successful. So I've seen 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:49.960 your YouTube videos. We don't have to go into this, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.480 but like, I think it is so incredible how honest 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.640 you've been about all of your journey with that. Yeah, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.200 because so many women I feel like, and all the 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:05.560 women listening yesterday, you were such an inspiration for your 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.880 because you were in a very bad relationship and came 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.040 through that on the other side, and you've been honest. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:12.800 But I thought struggle and so I just think that's 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.960 so great that you put that off there because so 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:19.760 many goals. How she decided to be honest about that? Um, 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:33.240 I'm gonna get Harlowe. Harl wants to talk Harlo. She's 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.960 the oldest one and she gets a little bit grumpy. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.560 Um My nieces called her the grumpy one. They won't 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:46.800 They're like, she's the grumpy one. It's okay, she's old Harlow. Um, 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.280 but wait, what was the question? How did you decide 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.240 to be honest about that relationship? Um, you had to 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.800 go into whatever. No, I mean, I think for me, 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:03.000 I wanted to because what's so weird is that people 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.119 kind of knew about it because if they emailed me, 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.760 that was my last name, so then they would kind 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.920 of know about it. And then unfortunately, when we went 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:18.000 through a divorce, TMZ picked it up and any time 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.200 that there was like a bad thing that happened, they 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.840 picked it up, and it wasn't it wasn't the right story, 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.480 you know what I mean. I'm like, um, I wasn't 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.199 shopping with my ex husband, Like he literally came to 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.320 my store and like you know, got very aggressive. But 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.200 I just thought, like, you know what, if I can 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:39.719 help one person at all, then it's worth it to share. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.600 And then more importantly to that, like a lot of 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.880 women and even like friends or anybody, I just don't 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:51.320 think like they understood like and I also wanted to. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.760 I wanted to reach out to the people that were 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.760 in the relationship, but I also wanted to reach out 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.760 to the people that weren't in the relationships, so that 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.800 way they kind of maybe had little bit of a 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.480 sense of compassion about how to handle that. Because if 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.800 you have a friend who is in a situation and 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.959 relationship because it's so hard because I'm like, what they 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.680 don't understand is that, like, you do love that person 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:13.960 and you want to see the good in them and 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.560 you want to fix them. So like maybe kind of 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.000 don't come down so hard on that person because they're 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:25.200 in a very delicate state and they need support, and yes, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.480 they need not get hard on. Yeah, but it's like 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.280 they just I just wanted to kind of like look 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:35.719 at both sides and have both sides understand the relationship 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.240 a little bit more. So, like now these people know 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.399 a little bit more about what it's like to be 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.760 in an abusive relationship and how you know, manipulative it 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.760 really is, and how you believe whatever this person is 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.800 telling you unfortunately, And then I wanted the girls that 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.040 were in it to understand that, like listen, like it 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.840 can only get worse. It will never ever ever get better. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.440 It will only get worse. And no matter how embarrassing 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.840 it might be for you to leave that situation, at 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.320 least you'll leave it alive. At the end of the day. 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.119 You have a better chance of survival if you just 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.640 leave that situation. So that was why, that was why 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.439 I really really wanted to do it and put it 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.480 out there. I just think that as incredible, Jess, And honestly, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.639 you are such a beautiful woman to share that because 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.360 so and I think especially when you're a young girl 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:30.960 in a city like l A and you meet someone 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.280 who's exciting and like, it's so easy to potentially fall 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.880 into a relationship, especially when you don't maybe know exactly 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.199 who you are all the way. Yeah, I know, and 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.679 I was. I mean I was so young, and but 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.720 I also I never knew that he had problems, Like 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.399 I didn't. Everybody's like, how did you not know what? 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.400 I'm Like? I was, I was nineteen. I had just 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.480 turned nineteen when I met him, and I come from 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.600 a small town that my family didn't even drink, you 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.240 know what. I feel Like when he was acting crazy, 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.880 I just thought he was hyper and entertaining. I never 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.679 thought that there was Like I was so naive and 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.480 I'm like, if I would have met him at this age, 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.680 I would have been like, boy, what is wrong with you? 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.080 Like I am not going down this road. I know 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.560 exactly what this road is and I'm not doing it. 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.800 But it's like, you know what, like you live and 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:23.320 learn and m because of that, I not that I'm 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.600 not saying I wouldn't I wouldn't have appreciated my husband 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.439 because of that, but I generally think like things like 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:32.000 that make you who you are. And I know that 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:39.040 I am so appreciative of Logan, probably twenty times more 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.439 than maybe I might have been if I wouldn't have 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.560 went through something like that. You know, like I might 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.119 take little things for granted that he does and says, 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.280 but like I don't take anything for granted. I'm like, 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.160 you're amazing, and he's like they have. All I said 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.600 was you look pretty. I'm like, you know, it's amazing, 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.119 but he you now are and that's what's so great now. 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:04.280 Logan loves every bit of you, appreciates you, Like how 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.679 amazing that you do have your fairy tale because it 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.920 can't happen Like it didn't happen, I know, And that's 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:11.879 that's also what I wanted to portray it. I'm like, 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.320 I was older when I met Logan, and that's okay, 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.560 Like that is might even better because you have your 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.960 head on more straight. I have my head on straight. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:22.640 I know who I am, I know what I want 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.639 to do, and like we're both in the same place. 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:34.560 And yeah, it's just it's awesome having a baby, girl, baby, 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.680 I'm so happy for you. Just like that would make 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.400 me cry my eyes having to cry, like you're like, Oprah, 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.800 I'll cry now at that point. It's just so beautiful 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.880 because honestly, like you see someone who goes through so much, 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:49.720 and we all have our own struggles, you know, but 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.440 in your case scenario, like you went through Helen high 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.719