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Speaker 1: Welcome to Games of Names.

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Speaker 2: I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation,

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Speaker 2: Highlight Reel starting now.

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Speaker 3: Now, Julian explains what NFL training camp is really like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, training camp questions, pull back the curtain behind what

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Speaker 1: life like is in training camp now that's happening. I

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Speaker 1: know it's probably a little bit different from when you

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Speaker 1: played to now, but let's talk about it anyway. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember your first training camp? Yeah? What was it like?

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Speaker 1: The first time, Like you walked in that building. It

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Speaker 1: it's like a beat for beat when you walked into

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Speaker 1: the building for the first time.

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Speaker 2: It's a mixed emotion, you're like, especially for a rookie.

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Speaker 2: My situation, I was seventh round draft pick, changing position,

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Speaker 2: like I was in a different It's different for everyone,

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Speaker 2: but I could I could probably say it's it's similar

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Speaker 2: for everyone that Like, I mean, there's a there's like

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Speaker 2: a nervousness anxiety that's floating. Did I do enough work

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Speaker 2: in the office season? Am I in good enough shape?

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Speaker 2: Am I going to be able to make the team?

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Speaker 2: What's going Am I going to be able to fix

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Speaker 2: the six things that I didn't do in mini camps?

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Speaker 2: The way I really wanted to that they talk to

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Speaker 2: me about like there's a lot of that going on

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Speaker 2: in your head. And then for me as a first

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Speaker 2: rookie camp, we still had double days, and I was

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Speaker 2: anticipating that I was going to be on like a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff, and I've never really ran a lot

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Speaker 2: in practice, you know, so like I was a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: you guys have to half the time you're like playing

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Speaker 2: like goal line game, goal post throws, you know, all

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Speaker 2: special teams are working their nuts off or you're doing

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Speaker 2: like quarterback stuff. But it was never like taxing. So

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Speaker 2: I was like nervous for that. And then you also

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Speaker 2: had your conditioning test that you wanted to go in

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Speaker 2: and I always wanted to go in and turn heads,

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Speaker 2: so I wanted to show them how how easy it was.

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Speaker 2: So you're anticipating that there's like a lot of and

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Speaker 2: then there's like I remember, there's a lot of logistics,

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Speaker 2: so many logistics schedules, and well you got to go

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Speaker 2: over the whole rule book or like in a bridge

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Speaker 2: version meeting of the rules you go over every year

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Speaker 2: when you when you get in, you take your physical,

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Speaker 2: you do your conditioning test, and there's a team meeting. I

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Speaker 2: always depend if you came back early. If you're a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: you came back, you had to go to the early camp.

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Speaker 2: Rookies early camp, injured's early camp, so you had to

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Speaker 2: do three days before everyone else reports, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: when you get there, you do your physical. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of like the first day of school. Everyone's got like

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Speaker 2: a fresh fit on. Everyone's got a suntan.

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Speaker 1: Someone's got bleached hair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, someone's got something, you know, the new there's a

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Speaker 2: new car in the drive, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and the someone got paid. Yeah, everyone got paid. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But free agent, new meat, what new meat, free agent

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Speaker 1: big free a. Yeah, but you've seen that, you've seen

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Speaker 1: we've all seen.

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Speaker 2: Each other of the mini camps. But this is you know,

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Speaker 2: guys bring ship. You know, you see guys bring their system.

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Speaker 2: Because we stayed at a hotel. Roommate or no roommate,

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Speaker 2: rookie year, roommate, Okay, who's your roommate, rookie year, who's

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Speaker 2: my rookie?

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Speaker 4: I had.

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Speaker 1: I had a.

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Speaker 2: He was a guy that was like in his third year,

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Speaker 2: but he was bouncing around the league. He had a

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Speaker 2: hyperbaric chamber. I forgot his name.

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Speaker 1: That's sick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a hyperbaric chamber in the living room.

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Speaker 2: Asked if I could use it, use it for a

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Speaker 2: little did it work. Didn't feel a thing. But you

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Speaker 2: report and then you have to do your conditioning test.

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Speaker 2: And when we do our conditioning test, is that day

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Speaker 2: one condition day one. Okay, this is after the physical.

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Speaker 2: Once you've been cleared for your physical, there's like a

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Speaker 2: lunch and then there's the conditioning test. Now, when we

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Speaker 2: do our conditioning test, everyone in the organization would be

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Speaker 2: out on the conditioning field to watch. I'm talking personal

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Speaker 2: scouts or the personnel scouts, the college scouts, every football coach.

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Speaker 2: There's like two hundred people associated team, all with their

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Speaker 2: little fucking notebooks, all like given your mean mugs. Like

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Speaker 2: the start of the season's about to start, you know,

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Speaker 2: and so a lot of you get a lot you

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Speaker 2: get anxiety from that. You know, you're sitting there, especially

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Speaker 1: You know, everyone's there. They want to see what who

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And so you do the conditioning test, and then after

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Speaker 2: that's done, you have a team meeting, you go through

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Speaker 2: all the rules, and so you basically you know, you

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Speaker 2: go over, you're late, you know, it's five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: If you're you miss a day unannounced or unexcused, it's

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Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars. If you're over your report weight each pound,

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Speaker 2: it's five hundred and sixty two dollars each day it's over.

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Speaker 2: So if that's two pounds, Bill would go to someone,

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Speaker 2: what's the map to that?

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Speaker 1: You know, what's that?

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Speaker 2: It'd be like some you know, oh, it's twelve hundred bucks, coach, right,

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Speaker 2: twelve hundred dollars. Like he would do that, right, and

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Speaker 2: then he'd go every year he would go in and

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Speaker 2: he would talk about, look, if it burns, you can't

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Speaker 2: have it in the hotel room. Don't be coming here

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Speaker 2: with your incense, your fucking candles. If it burned, like,

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Speaker 2: we can never burn anything inside the hotel. Clearly didn't

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Speaker 2: know smoking, so like you know what I mean, but

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Speaker 2: like if it burned, And then after the batt light thing,

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Speaker 2: remember anybody brought a crossbow on, we would go over

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Speaker 2: He would go over that rule you can't gamble on

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Speaker 2: NFL facilities. You can't have a weapon anywhere on an

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Speaker 1: And it says guns, but he'd.

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Speaker 2: Be like and light that means crossbows, sling shots. He

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Speaker 2: would give on all those examples swords. Don't be fucking

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Speaker 2: you can't have like it would would it would be

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Speaker 2: fun Like any.

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Speaker 1: Dude's ever bring like animals, like a pet or anything,

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Speaker 1: like someone's got like a tarantula they.

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Speaker 2: Bring the lineman brought a duck and put it in

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Speaker 2: Donald's locker and it lived there for like three days.

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Speaker 2: And I think Nate Soldier took the duck and raised it,

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Speaker 2: and the duck is somewhere still alive.

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Speaker 1: I think, amazing.

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Speaker 2: No, So we would go over all the rules, and

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Speaker 2: so you get there at like eight.

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Speaker 1: The conditioning test is are like one.

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Speaker 2: This meet is at like four, and so they would

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Speaker 2: and you get into like, all right, this is what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, backtrack real quick. It's no secret that NFL players

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Speaker 1: participate in weed. So where were guys going to smoke

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Speaker 1: how did that work? No? One would smoke at the hotel, okay,

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Speaker 1: but you had flexiblit. It's not like you were like

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Speaker 2: And also guys had houses, like we had a I had.

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Speaker 2: My house was like all these way we just go

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Speaker 1: Now do guys just absolutely resent having to go to

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It was it nice to just be ay word camp,

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Speaker 1: let's fucking start, let's be here. Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: just part of it. Yeah, I don't you know that.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of nice to get I like, just

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Speaker 1: You didn't you know what I mean? It kept the

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Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about clothes this that I

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Speaker 2: mean you did, but just less.

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Speaker 1: It was just like less less distractions. Yeah yeah, And

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Speaker 1: when did you guys move out of the hotel? Dude?

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Speaker 1: I remember it being like five weeks or something. That's all.

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Speaker 1: It used to be long. Now they're only there for

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Speaker 1: like two weeks with the beds at least nice. They

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Speaker 2: Uh, shout out residents in they're all right, yeah, not

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Speaker 2: like your home bank I brought I think I brought

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Speaker 1: Six seven eight.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: People always ask, I'm sure with training camps, like what's

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Speaker 1: the worst part of training camp? But what's the best part?

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Speaker 1: Like what's something that like people don't realize is like

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Speaker 2: Uh, best best part of training camp is you know

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Speaker 2: the excitement of the start. It's the start of the season.

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Speaker 2: You know the crowds out there. You know you've been

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Speaker 2: first like five days or four days are like all right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: get beat up when you start introducing pads and when

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Speaker 2: you used to hit a lot more.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was tough.

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Speaker 2: Like I remember in my early part of my career

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Speaker 1: I mean it was.

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Speaker 2: It's just a grind, and what makes it really hard

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Speaker 2: is that you have to focus when you're tired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like hell week.

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Speaker 2: I mean not like hell wek Hell Week is way worse,

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Speaker 2: like with the Seals, but like having to go in

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Speaker 2: and after when you were a young player and you

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Speaker 2: walls both practices every day, but then you had to

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Speaker 2: go in and install at night for the next day,

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Speaker 2: and you had to correct things from that practice early

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Speaker 2: practice to the second practice. It was like you had

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Speaker 1: But you make it on time.

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Speaker 2: Well know the you can't because it was so it's

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Speaker 2: And Wahlberg came and talked to the whole team and

441
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: they rent out a theater and get all the snacks

442
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: and stuff for the boys unlimited, which is it's so

443
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: fun when you have that like surprise, Yeah, you know

444
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 2: what I mean. Now, it's like every four days you

445
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: have a day off in training camp. That would be

446
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: after like nine days of grinding, maybe eleven, you'd make alignment,

447
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: try to catch a punt when anytime you got to

448
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: miss a meeting or like there was a team thing

449
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: where we all had to come together to like get

450
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: out of meetings. That was the best thing in fucking

451
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: and rookie skits you need, Like I with the older

452
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: you get, the more you need the rookie skits because

453
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: it becomes repetitive. I've heard verbatims these same meetings. Yes

454
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: for you know, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

455
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: Firearms got it? Thank you?

456
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know you're literally repeating what coach says

457
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 2: before he says it, you know. So, like the rookie

458
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: skits are always just a great breakup and then you

459
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: get to also learn your teammates, which who's funny of

460
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 2: these guys who thinks they're a little too full of themself,

461
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: of these guys who's like got no heart when it

462
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: comes Like you learn a lot through these rookie skits,

463
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, who's just a straight killer that like wants

464
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: nothing to associate with this, but plays so good that

465
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, fuck it, you know what I mean,

466
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: I put themself.

467
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: Out there to be a part of the team even

468
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: though they don't like it. Yeah, it's those are those

469
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: are the fun things. The movie was great.

470
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: We did a paintball thing once, was that OTAs or regardless.

471
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: We did a paintball thing where we went as a

472
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: team in paintball, which was fun.

473
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: Fun.

474
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 2: We used to go to like the bowling alley up

475
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: the Patriot Place a bunch yeah, uh yeah. And anytime

476
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 2: like we'd have our family, we'd have like family days

477
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: were like you got off meetings early and they'd barbecue

478
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: and they'd bring in all the floaties for the kids.

479
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: I remember Lily at a young.

480
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: Age and getting to bring her and they'd put them

481
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: all on the in the stadium for the kids and

482
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: they're running around and I'm just sitting there like, man,

483
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: that's so that had to be so fun, as you

484
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

485
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: Like core memories for kids to see that stuff.

486
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, those those are and then like you know, just

487
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: the best thing, you know, like when when you're you're

488
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: those those days when when you're older, when practice finished,

489
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: it was like the best, but it changed on why

490
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: throughout your career. You know, it was the best because

491
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: you're shot, you're tired, like they used to work you,

492
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: and it was hot, you know what I mean, And

493
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: it was full go, full pad. And then you know,

494
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: when you're younger, it's just like to go out and

495
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: get like the line faster for food.

496
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: Or you know, like get a sleep bed.

497
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: You know, by the time you're older, you get to

498
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 2: see your little kid come run on the field, and

499
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: you know, you get to go engage with the fans

500
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: and go engage with a lot of the Patriots Foundation

501
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: organizational people, which you know, it seems after a long

502
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: ass day of work, it's you know, it's a lot,

503
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: but it was always gives you a perspective afterwards, so

504
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: you know, and it also gives you the memories I

505
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: remember being that kid going to the training camp for

506
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: the Niners or the softball games for the Niners, and

507
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like those that's the fun

508
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: stuff getting there early.

509
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: I love that.

510
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: The process, the work, the process. Yeah, now it fucking

511
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: sucked and it was a grind. I don't I hated it,

512
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 2: like you hate it, but you love it and you

513
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: need it.

514
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

515
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 2: It's kind of like when you're a parent and your

516
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: kid has a cough. Yeah, you know that they don't

517
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: like the taste. I have to pin like my kid

518
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: down to take the cough medicine.

519
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: She's like, I get it.

520
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: But when the cough goes away and they hate it. Yeah,

521
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: they hate the taste, but the cough goes it becomes effective.

522
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: They're like, oh yeah, yeah. It's kind of the same thing,

523
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: like that hill and we have to run that fucking hill.

524
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: How many times up and down the hill you think

525
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: you've run? I mean a lot, probably in the thousands,

526
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: thousands if you think about it. We do like seven

527
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 2: to six after practices an off season. You can you

528
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: can count that up. So that's six hundred in one season.

529
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: Ish you're you're saying, I don't know a lot.

530
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: No, was there any sort of like this last question,

531
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: any sort of like ritualistic thing you guys would do

532
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: to signify the end of training camp, Like when I play,

533
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: we did doubles. When doubles were over, we go eat

534
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: our faces with China b fat shout out my crag

535
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: football they're dead now, but like we just like eating

536
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: China Buffet was like the end of camp and now

537
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: we're going. It's like anything you guys would do, like ritualistically,

538
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: that would be like, okay, camp's over, now we're fucking it.

539
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: There used to be the craft party okay in the Cape.

540
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: In the Cape, but it it was always a little

541
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: tricky because sometimes there'd be a guy. There'd be a

542
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: guy and that didn't make There'd be a guy that

543
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: would go to the party and that got cut because.

544
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: It's like a more of like a like would be

545
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: like a ring thing too or.

546
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: No, it's more of like the final team okay goes

547
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: to not the final team, but like it's like the

548
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: start to the season when in theory you're supposed to

549
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: have your final team in the books. But we always

550
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: had like moving parts, guys get cut, bring guy in. Yeah,

551
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: So like that was always like you could tell who

552
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: thought they were comfortable and making the team is who

553
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: would show up to that party. But there were a

554
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: couple of times where there'd be some guys getting knocked

555
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: at the party. I think, yeah, but that was kind

556
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: of like the last because your family is again we're there.

557
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: Is training. I keep saying last one, but actually last one.

558
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: How is training camp different the year after a Super

559
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: Bowl versus just a regular training camp.

560
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a difference because anyone who's new on the

561
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: team thinks that they're a part of it, okay, and

562
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: I don't realize how hard it is to get there.

563
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: And then there's a learning curve for that. And then

564
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: there's also you know, there's different situations for each year.

565
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes guys are banged up going into it.

566
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: Guys get emotions. I was emotion you get emotionally drained.

567
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes after a long period of success, like the training camps,

568
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: like what clears the cobwebs and Bill did a great

569
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: job of that, and the coaching staff did a great

570
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: job of that of always keeping you know, some would

571
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: say a little too good of a job at that

572
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: of keeping us level minded.

573
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: Next up, how NFL players actually choose their agents?

574
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: This is Lauren from Texas. My question is for Julian.

575
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 4: How does finding an agent work? Do they find you?

576
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: Do you go and look for them? Do they get

577
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: paid when you get paid? Who do you know to trust?

578
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: So that's my question. I like the podcast, It's really good.

579
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: Informative and positive.

580
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: Thank you Lauren from Texas. How do you get your agent? Well,

581
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: I'll give you my experience. I was coming out of

582
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: Kent State, so I didn't I didn't have a lot

583
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: of agents pursuing me. But my coach, Doug Martin was

584
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: represented by Ian Duben Sports at the time.

585
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: They do a lot of coaches too, Righthand have a

586
00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: lot of.

587
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Coaches they have, they have coaches and I uh, I

588
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: met with a few other agents and they were all

589
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you could tell there were some swindly dudes,

590
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: like some dude from Robert I'm talking east West swindlely. Oh,

591
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: so a little different, you know, like some Uncle Buck vibes.

592
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: What's east west swindly? Midwest? Midwest? Did I say east West?

593
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: You're talking about the SRI.

594
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the shrine like some some just

595
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: it's just swindle business. And then you know, my, my,

596
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: my coach put a word into my to Ian Dubin

597
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: or something, and Don called me and basically gave his

598
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: pitch and they flew me out to la and so

599
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: that's how I signed with them. So if you're a

600
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: high talented guy out of college, there's there's guys coming

601
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: at you all day. And back in the day before

602
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: the guys were getting paid the agents, which my agents

603
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: were like like regular type dudes, like low key agents,

604
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: and that's kind of how I liked it, you know,

605
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: I didn't want the flashy, this kind of there's agents

606
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: that you know, back in my day, they would give

607
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: guys a bunch of money so like they could get

608
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: their car or whatever while they're training. It was basically

609
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: a loan that they had to pay back once they

610
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: got their money from their signing bonus, which I don't

611
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: I didn't do that, but that's what I've heard used

612
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: to be done. And then like the agent would pay

613
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: for the living, they would pay for the training, which

614
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: you know for three months that's fifty sixty grand, you know,

615
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: so that you get a loan from your your agent

616
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: and if or it, you know, they could do there's

617
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: some guys that'll eat that cost because if they have

618
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: a first round guy, they're going to make you know,

619
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. So like, I don't know how they

620
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: pitch it to certain guys, but there was there was

621
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: deals within deals on how you got your.

622
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: Agents back in the day.

623
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: Now it's changed completely nowadays, because these guys are getting

624
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: agents pitchdas out of high school though. Yeah, you know,

625
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 2: because there's agencies that represent athletes, that have divisions that

626
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: represent NIL. So now you know they'll they'll send over

627
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: their NIL department, get these kids younger and then feed

628
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: them into their you know, the big system of who

629
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: they are. You know, you got the Rosenhaus, you got

630
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: the other big ones to see. You know, there's there's

631
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: five or six big ones, and then you got like

632
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: these mom and pop shop agents, you know.

633
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't.

634
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: Put my agency in that because they got some big

635
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: I mean my agent. Yes, they didn't have a boatload

636
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: of guys, and they had a certain amount of different

637
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: types of guys you know. So uh that's how you

638
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: got agents. I guess when when you're a pro, get connected.

639
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: You know, they start coming to practices.

640
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: No, what else is an agent providing for you? Besides

641
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: just like thet ndered contract negotiations, so.

642
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: On field, they're doing all the on like the negotiation

643
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: talks between the club and you. Okay, so the GM

644
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: or whoever handles the personnel on the on the team,

645
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: they'll call your agent anytime or if you want to

646
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: have something said you could you could have your agent

647
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 2: call and do that.

648
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: So there's a good buffer system. Okay for business, mostly business,

649
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: nothing on the field, none of that kind of stuff.

650
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: It's mostly just now off the field. Your agent also

651
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: can get you at like in commercials. They can get

652
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: marketing stuff, shoe deals. But also you know, there's different

653
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: agencies for different type things. So like when I was playing,

654
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: I had my football agent with Chusey and Dubin. They

655
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: handled everything on the field and they would get they

656
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: would get me stuff off the field. But I had

657
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: multiple people getting me stuff off the field.

658
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

659
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: At that time, I had like a fashion agent person

660
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: person that was like when I was doing stuff with

661
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: Joe's jeans and with Cage and you know, doing all

662
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: this you know fashion e stype type stuff or or

663
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: appearance type fee or designing something like, I had an

664
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: agent for that so then they would get a cut

665
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: of whatever they brought me from there. And then I

666
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: had you know, a TV agent which was a different

667
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: agent than my dument agent, which was a different agent

668
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: than the fashion agent. You know, so there's there's multiple

669
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: different agents which I like to do it like that,

670
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: you know, there they are, Yeah, there are people, there

671
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: are houses like you can go to companies that have

672
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: one that does it all.

673
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: Soup to nuts.

674
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, the big boys, Yeah, did like Ian Douban put

675
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 5: you in touch with the fashion and the entertainment people

676
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 5: or do you kind of do that on your own?

677
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: A little bit of both. Okay.

678
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: You know, they would look for my interests and they

679
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: would put me like the I think they got me, Yeah,

680
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: got me into a fashion weet or something, you know

681
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: what I mean that hasn't made friends there, and you

682
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: know that's it's just a lot networking and then you

683
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: find and then you know, yeah, so multiple different agents

684
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: for these athletes and especially now you have social media managers. Yeah,

685
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: I had a whole different department that was you know,

686
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: doing that and there was multiple different kind of so

687
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: called agents. It's not just one guy.

688
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: Now for your like the main contract agents they're taking

689
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: what three percent off of like gross or after attack?

690
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Like what do they how do they actually get paid?

691
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: So you're you're agent on the field, the standard is

692
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: usually three percent of what you get your you're on

693
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: the field contract. Now there are guys that negotiate that

694
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: down that get huge deals, you know what I mean?

695
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: They can negotiated, give me if you do it for

696
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: one percent or now you're even seeing guys do it

697
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: on their own a lah, you know, Lamar Jackson. Now,

698
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: if they get you something that's not associated with the team,

699
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: like that's off the field, not your contract for playing

700
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: with the team, a Toastitos commercial, a Toastito's commercial, then

701
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: they usually would take like ten percent of what it

702
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: would be. Okay, so they would get three percent of

703
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: what you're on field, what you were getting through the

704
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: team for playing for the team, and then they get

705
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: ten percent of anything they brought you off from off

706
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: the field. And that's usually ten to fifteen twenty range.

707
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: That that that range, and that that comes from a

708
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: lot of different people. You know ten it's usually ten.

709
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: But you know, you get up into those model worlds

710
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: and stuff because you know, like you dip over and

711
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: you've done some stuff for that that market you get

712
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: like those agents they take like fifty percent from like

713
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: it's crazy. So like there's a whole Each industry is

714
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: a little different. Sure, and I'm sure the size of

715
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: each contract matters on the size of each what sure

716
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: that agreements between you know and with like the entertainment business.

717
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: There's the managers, there's agents, there's even lawyers sometimes.

718
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so your agents are usually are a one stop shop,

719
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: so you don't have to do like in Hollywood.

720
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all there. It's all in one. Yeah.

721
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: Your your sport agent handles the team, so like you

722
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: don't have like in they're the lawyers that are doing

723
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: the legal legality work. They're also doing the negotiation they

724
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, so like there's in sports, it's a little

725
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: different than Hollywood.

726
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: Do you know anything? And I know that you don't

727
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: probably not experience it from your career, but as always

728
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: fascinating to me that like teams, let's say a player

729
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: is requesting a trader wants to get moved. That like

730
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: teams let an agent of a player seek out deals.

731
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: Do you know anything about there? I've never been in that. Yeah.

732
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I thought that was pre or interesting that a front

733
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: office would like, well I made an agent go look

734
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: for some deals and speak on their agents.

735
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: They have guys on every team, so you know, they

736
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: have relationships and that's what the that's the value of

737
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: having an agent is the relationship that they have with teams.

738
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: If he has a guy on that team, you know,

739
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: and he does good business with that guy, you know,

740
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: then the team's going to be more linked, you know

741
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: what I mean. And it's just that that's that that

742
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: was the whole thing when we were talking about Lamar's negotiation,

743
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: like there was no relationship between each side and each side,

744
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 2: which is you know that it's it's just new. That's

745
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: why it was looked at differently. It got done. But

746
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: he also used a lawyer. He did it more of

747
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: like a Hollywood contract.

748
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: You'd get your own deal and your lawyer like Irons

749
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: and all. So that's what he kind of did.

750
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: He did it so like in Hollywood, right, you get

751
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: your your agent gets a fee, your manager gets a fee,

752
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: and then then there's a lawyer that tightened everything up

753
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: and gets you know what I mean.

754
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: I think he kind of handled it like that without

755
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: the others.

756
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: He just you know, did the deal, which you know,

757
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: looking back, if I knew what I knew now, sick

758
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: frank on him. I wouldn't sick frank on him, but

759
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: I would, you know, I would know how to do

760
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: a deal, yeah, and I would just have a lawyer

761
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: tighten it up, yeah, and and go over you know,

762
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: and and the legality talk and you know what I mean,

763
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: all you have to have is your lawyer. You know it,

764
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 2: like you know now, but like and maybe Lamar does

765
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: now through that experience, which you know, that could be

766
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: huge going forward for him in his life, Like that

767
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: could be major. He's a pioneer. You know, anyone thinks

768
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: everyone's crazy for the first time they do shit, Hey man,

769
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: that trail Blazer, because.

770
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, he's crazy. You don't got an agent.

771
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: What's three percent of That's a lot of money for

772
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: that contract.

773
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: But it's also you know, it's a convenience cost and

774
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: more for your mind, you know what I mean. You're

775
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: you're paying that cost to let them do their work

776
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: so you can keep your mind on football, because we're

777
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, at heart, you're paying the people to give

778
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: you the convenience so you can work on your craft,

779
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That's why I always had

780
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: a team of people when I was playing, Like let

781
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: them worry about everything, have someone find someone you can trust,

782
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: really go over that, and then you know, so you

783
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: can keep the main thing the main thing, and everything

784
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: grows if you do well on the field, no matter what.

785
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: Like I was talking to young guys at the Patriots practice,

786
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 2: and I was thinking about it. I was like, whatever

787
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: your goal is as a professional athlete, like when you're

788
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: on this team, the process is all. Whatever it is,

789
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: the process is still the same. Whether it's to be

790
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: the best player, whether it's to be the best teammate,

791
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: whether it's to make the most money, whether it's to

792
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: be the most famous.

793
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: I like all those.

794
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: Whatever your goal is, to get to the best of that,

795
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: you have to do the same ship. So you might

796
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: as well do the ship and realize that those all

797
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: grow when you do the ship. I don't know if that, if.

798
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: You are performing on the field, will trickle down to

799
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: all of this.

800
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: Everything which ultimately comes down to that practice. That's why

801
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: that practice means so much, because you know what I mean,

802
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: you put so much time and effort in to get

803
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: your body as explosive as it possibly can. Now you

804
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: have these certain amount of reps that you have before

805
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: you go into pads. Every rep is freaking important, you know, And.

806
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: Like you said, it starts with keeping the main thing

807
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: the main thing.

808
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 5: So many of these guys like you want to get

809
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: over their skis and do media and social media, and well,

810
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 5: you're always your you know what, I mean like found right,

811
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 5: but like before you've done any you know what I mean,

812
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 5: like before you've done.

813
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: But you also can tell like what guy's goals are

814
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: through you know what they are when we.

815
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: Reselling your T shirts back when you were playing, like

816
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: you could have put the best design on the planet

817
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: out and if you get hurt or if you don't

818
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: perform well, or if you don't win a super Bowl,

819
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Or if you could put out the

820
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: whatever design after super Bowl. It's it's just how it goes.

821
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: When the main thing is the main thing, then the

822
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: other stuff follows, and then.

823
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 5: You gotta you just gotta worry about the head coach

824
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 5: of New England coming up to you MLA in the

825
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: lunch room and corner and you trying to negotiate deals

826
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 5: right then and there.

827
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: One you call like Duban right after that, Hell yeah,

828
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: I righted his ass out.

829
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: You know, we don't need to have the age is

830
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: involved here, you know, And didn't you know he goes

831
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: like this, Bill goes like this. He goes look like

832
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: you say something to your agent. I say something to Casario.

833
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: They say something like there's so many fucking people, Like well,

834
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: why we could just do this ourselves. He literally, you

835
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: say something something to your agent. He says something to Casario,

836
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: Casario says something to He's like late, that's what he's

837
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: laid out, like a nice try, buddy. I was like, Coach,

838
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: I I just I just let my agent do this.

839
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: I'm dumb football player. Oh I played stupid. Who he

840
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: knows everything about me.

841
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: That old New England football coach. Fucking guy. Yeah, we

842
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: don't talk about him.

843
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: We'll bleep that leap, that name until he comes in

844
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: this motherfucker, until his until he's right here on this

845
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: goddamn couch.

846
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: We're bleeping his name.

847
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: Now what NFL media training is really?

848
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: Like?

849
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 5: What is like media training like in the NFL when

850
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 5: you get drafted?

851
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 2: At least when I was getting drafted, I still believe

852
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: they still have it. You go to a rookie symposium.

853
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: Now undrafted guys don't go, but all the draftees they

854
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 2: go to a symposium and it's a seminar that breaks

855
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: up into class and workshops and a lot of game

856
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: type learning activities in order to like inform guys about

857
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: the wealth they're about to come into, how to deal

858
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: with agents, how to deal with the media. I'm sure

859
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: nowadays they probably have a workshop or a station that's

860
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: about social media because it's such a big impact and

861
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: it kind of walks these guys through the introductory stages

862
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: of what it's like being in the NFL with all

863
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: these responsibilities.

864
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: Is that where Chris Carter tells you get a fall guy? Yeah?

865
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where christiary moment. Yeah, he says, you gotta

866
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: get a fall guy. So media has worked into that now.

867
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: It's also broken down each team with all their rookies.

868
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: Usually the rookies have a certain amount of hours that

869
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 2: they could be at the facility to learn rookie stuff.

870
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: So like after.

871
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: Organized team activities or mini camps or even training camp

872
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: two days a week, the rookies have to stick around

873
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: for a presentation of whatever that theme is for that day,

874
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: and sometimes it would be media.

875
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: How to handle the media.

876
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: In New England, we used to have we used to

877
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: have one of the generals. He was the guy who

878
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: handled the media. He was in the Navy. He handled

879
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: the media immediately after nine to eleven for the White House.

880
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

881
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: He would come in and teach us basically how to deflect,

882
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: how to dictate, and how to take control of an

883
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: interviewer when you're being.

884
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: Asked a question, how do you do that?

885
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 2: Well, whatever someone answers or asks you, you can answer

886
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: however you want right. And there's also deflection things where

887
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: you don't you know, we always had like keywords where

888
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: ask coach Belichick, you know, if we got uncomfortable, if

889
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: we didn't know what to say, like outs, outs, we

890
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: had outs. And the only reason we would do this,

891
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: and we would do these little media teachings or handlings

892
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: or seminars is because we didn't want the media to

893
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: be a distracted a distraction. And you know, I know

894
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: Bill gets a terrible rap for how he handles the media,

895
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: but like that's just strategic. So he doesn't give anything

896
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: to the media that other guys sometimes do. Like if

897
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: you listen to a head coach going into a game,

898
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 2: sometimes they'll give you the first goddamn fifteen plays they're

899
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: gonna run because they're gonna tell you we've been emphasizing this,

900
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: we do this, this, this, and it gives you, you know,

901
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: it gives you a little advantage if you if you're listening,

902
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, or if you listen

903
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: to a guy to say, hey, you know, this whole week,

904
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: we've been working on our drop back pass game because

905
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: we feel like, all right, so fellas, put your antennas up.

906
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: They got some drop back pass that we're gonna be seeing,

907
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's stuff like that that

908
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: can be used as an advantage for your opposing team.

909
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: So that's how why Bill would bring in certain people

910
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: like this guy who deflected everything after allowed show us

911
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: little techniques. But that's why he would do it because

912
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: we didn't want to a give anything to the opponent.

913
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: B We didn't want to make any.

914
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: Distractions because football and pro football for an athlete and

915
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: a coach is hard enough. It's fucking hard to win

916
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: the National Football League. Okay, now try doing it when

917
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 2: you have a spygate, a fucking a murder, a fucking deflate,

918
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: like then it makes it even crazier because all you're

919
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: being asked after that point is about that specific thing.

920
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: So it becomes distraction.

921
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: And that's something that happened because of how maybe someone

922
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: handled it in the media, you know. So we were

923
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: just always taught that, like we're here to get better

924
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: and because that's ultimately what we're really there to do.

925
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: If you're not lying and you're not just giving a line.

926
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: That's literally what the focus should try to be. Like

927
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: when you ask someone about an injury. Okay, if you

928
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: go out as a player and you say, well, you know,

929
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: I think I'll be back in six weeks. Okay, comes

930
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: back in four weeks. Oh, well, the doctor didn't know what.

931
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: He was saying. Is he ready? Is he ready? Is

932
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: he not?

933
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 2: Comes back in four weeks and gets hurt again?

934
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: Oh was it too soon? All right?

935
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: He says six weeks? It takes eight weeks? Oh what

936
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: the setback was there? A setback? Was the rehab terrible?

937
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: Oh he's not healing. So you know, why would we

938
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: go out and say that, Because all you're gonna have

939
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: to do is answer about that again. So like that's

940
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: what you know, getting better each day in the injury thing.

941
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: The whole injury answer that you always hear is because

942
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: that's the honest truth. You don't want to put a

943
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: deadline on something that you have to be accountable for

944
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: when you don't really know how your body's going to react,

945
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: because yes, that's what it is for standard, but you

946
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: could be either above or below the standard on that

947
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: specific injury.

948
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: So like there's just a bunch of ways.

949
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: That we were taught literally taught on how to handle

950
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: the media through you know, multiple different ways, you know,

951
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: with the team, with the NFL our team. Individual team

952
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: was a little like a little more about it, and

953
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: that was just so we didn't make a distraction, which

954
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: is an oxymoron considering what's going on North Carolina.

955
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: What were some of your favorite like deflections or like

956
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: go to like out phrases. My favorite was always just

957
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: as bill. Yeah, so if I'm like, oh, Brady's been hurt,

958
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: is he going to be there's whispers if he's going

959
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: to be playing?

960
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: Do you have any information on that? You just go

961
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: well on that I would speak more. There was a

962
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: set of lines, speak for yourself, okay, put the team first,

963
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: don't believe the hype. Ignore like there's all these little things.

964
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: So if I'm not I can't, I can't speak for Tom.

965
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: You go ask Tom, Go ask to ask Tom. You

966
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 2: don't want to speak for someone. So that was something

967
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: that he we always talk about, give me another one,

968
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: let's try it again.

969
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 5: Look like you got a little banged up on that

970
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 5: third and seven catch out there.

971
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: How are you feeling you know it's after a game.

972
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: We were all banged up after a game. You know,

973
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: we'll go in this week and try to get our

974
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: body back to the best we can. You know it's

975
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: gonna be against another new tough opponent. But it was

976
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: good to get out of here with a win and

977
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: get that play in. But you know, after games, we

978
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: all were all banged up.

979
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 5: There's a lot of controversies surrounding the most recent wide

980
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 5: receiver signing. A lot of people saying that it was

981
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 5: shouldn't have signed this guy amidst everything he's got going

982
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: on off the field. Well, can you tell us how

983
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 5: it's going in the wide receiver room.

984
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 2: Look, you'd have to ask coach on that. I'm I'm

985
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: just here to worry about improving myself. All I keep

986
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: hearing is if we all individually improve ourselves, collectively will

987
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: improve as a team. So I'm just taking Coach Belichick's

988
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: words and I'm trying to improve myself.

989
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: You guys, coach on that.

990
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 5: You just lost forty three to seven, second straight loss.

991
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 5: What needs to change around here?

992
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: We need to fucking coaching staff this place, fucking son.

993
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: Uh.

994
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's tough to win the National Football league. Uh,

995
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: you know, we got to get back to the little things.

996
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: It all starts with practice. So I'm sure that we're

997
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: gonna have, you know, a good week of practice this

998
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: week to give ourselves a best our best opportunity to

999
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: go out and when we need to practice better.

1000
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: Were there ever we just did a fun little roleplay exercise.

1001
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 5: There was there ever, like a a practice role play

1002
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 5: with you guys, like before the season.

1003
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

1004
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: It would be like that would literally call like the

1005
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: rookie guy like all right now, uh, rookie, how fast

1006
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: are you going to be?

1007
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: Uh? You just got hurt. How many weeks are you

1008
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: at out? Uh?

1009
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: And the guy if he was listening, but he'd be like, yeah,

1010
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. Day to day, day to day, you

1011
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean, It would be like you passed. Yeah.

1012
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: It was always so much easier for the defense as usual.

1013
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: Always were there reporters that were a little bit more

1014
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: safer than other reporters. Uh, what do you mean, like

1015
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: Mike Reese knows the deal and he's not going to

1016
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: come in.

1017
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of knew just through local beat reporters report. Honestly,

1018
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: I think the local people in Boston have always been like,

1019
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: I was always pretty decent with.

1020
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: All of them.

1021
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: I feel like I never felt like none of them.

1022
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: I never had a bad instant where I felt like

1023
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: someone was out to get me or you know, I

1024
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: understand if you understand what they're trying to do and

1025
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 2: what they have to do, And sometimes you don't because

1026
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: it's right after a game and you're you'retionally, physically, mentally exhausted.

1027
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: But their livelihood is to try to report on your team.

1028
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 2: And this reporting, essentially is what makes our sport our sport,

1029
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, giving the media access to the players which

1030
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: the fans get are granted and that's what it makes

1031
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 2: the thing go. So it's hard to understand that as

1032
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: a player sometimes, but I felt like we were everyone

1033
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 2: was pretty I mean, there's guys, I felt pretty decent

1034
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: with everyone.

1035
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: We were also a decade into like the Belichick regime.

1036
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: They kind of all knew the deal.

1037
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: You know, we had a lot of media in our

1038
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: locker room always, but it would get heated up when

1039
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: we would play, like the playoffs, and you know, when

1040
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: you get the people that are coming from the other

1041
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: cities that we don't play very often, how they would

1042
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: ask questions, would be different than how the cowboys are

1043
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: in town. Yeah, like they don't know how we handle

1044
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: our meat, you know what I mean. But I felt,

1045
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 2: you know, Boston gets this whole rap. You know, their

1046
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 2: sport talk is crazy, you know, whether it's the radio

1047
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: is But we didn't see those people in the day

1048
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: to day locker room, you know, like the people that

1049
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: were all the beat writers and stuff.

1050
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: I remember when fucking Ian Rappaport was a little beat writer.

1051
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: A bunch of the guys on the on the on

1052
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: the TV now that are all like, yeah, big TV guys.

1053
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: They all started doing this ship, you know, and then

1054
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: they hustle.

1055
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: They're hustlers.

1056
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 2: They're in there every day trying to make a fucking story.

1057
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: And you got to think about that, and you know, it's.

1058
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: Not our job to give them a story.

1059
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: But it kind of is. No, it's true.

1060
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 5: So it's like we don't understand that relationship isn't even

1061
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 5: taking the you're right, what they provide to the game,

1062
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 5: it's changed his whole perspective.

1063
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: You know, and it is it is hard for an

1064
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: athlete after you get your teeth kicked in and you

1065
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: lose a crazy game, and you know, they got asked

1066
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: the questions, but it is hard to answer or answer

1067
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 2: question that you think at the time are stupid, right,

1068
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: but it you know what I mean, it's it's part

1069
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: of it.

1070
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: And I think that the media, you know, there's.

1071
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: A lot you could tell that there's a lot more

1072
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: media training now for sure.

1073
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 5: And you think about a city, I mean, I'm a

1074
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 5: homer for sure, but like you think about Boston. What

1075
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 5: other city has two twenty four hour sports networks, two

1076
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 5: news major newspapers with like Hall of Fame level columnists,

1077
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 5: insane sports radio that like is I mean like making there's.

1078
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: Probably like yeah, like three, there's like Chicago has, probably

1079
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: New York probably has that.

1080
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: Dallas just for football.

1081
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Dallas doesn't have the network. They don't have

1082
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 5: They don't have like NBC Sports Boston to that capacity,

1083
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 5: Like do they not?

1084
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: I don't think so In New York. I think New

1085
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: York they have their own.

1086
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, New York does for sure, But it's just it's

1087
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 5: I feel like the like you said, the microscope and

1088
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 5: wanting to make stories and be in there every day,

1089
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 5: and like the level of professionalism is is really turned

1090
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 5: up in Boston.

1091
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, yeah, but I just think it's you

1092
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: can use the media like you can use them in

1093
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: a positive fashion. Oh yeah, you know, there's there's countless

1094
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 2: guys that always got to break with them because of

1095
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: how they treated them. You know, you look at like

1096
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: how Matthew Slater would you know, or like if if

1097
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: you like, he would always treat the you know, the

1098
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: everyone with so much respect that because of that respect,

1099
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: they would out of respect, they wouldn't ask him stupid questions. Yeah,

1100
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: I like that, So you can how you are to

1101
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: them is how you're gonna be treated.

1102
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: Yes, so get them on your side. I'm with you,

1103
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean a little bit, and I

1104
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, I I don't know.

1105
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: I'd be tired in some days with certain certain people.

1106
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: But there's no hard feelings now now that I'm in

1107
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: this side of on this side of the the line,

1108
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: it's like now I appreciate what they do because I'm

1109
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: sitting there a not in New England anymore, and we

1110
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: still have to talk about them.

1111
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: I love to hear about what's going on with the Patriots.

1112
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm relying on the beat writers now on

1113
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: what's going on, even though I know, you know, with

1114
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: what they write is you.

1115
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: Know always you still get something out of it.

1116
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, because when it's training, camp time

1117
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 5: or even practice refreshing Mike Reece's Twitter like Mike, Yeah,

1118
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 5: they're the voice of the what's going on and keeping

1119
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 5: it real.

1120
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: How often, like what are your media responsibilities like through

1121
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: any given week during the regular.

1122
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: Media responsibilities, you are available if you are not hurt

1123
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: every day to the media Monday through Thursday, or Monday

1124
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: through Monday through Friday, or could be Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

1125
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: like our our main practice days after practice media is

1126
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: in there, or or it's before practice.

1127
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: And available meets like in the locker room after or

1128
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: like car have.

1129
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: To be available for that was another thing, like half

1130
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: of our guys, like more than half of our guys

1131
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: whenever the media was in there during the regular day

1132
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: was like out. They they didn't want it. Everyone was

1133
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: so scared to say something wrong that no one wanted

1134
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: to do. The media scattered, so everyone would like be

1135
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 2: in the weight room or you know, somewhere, and you know,

1136
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: usually you have certain guys that would talk, and you

1137
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: had certain days after a while that you would go.

1138
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: Usually it was probably like once a week when did

1139
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: they when were they allowed in the locker room. They've

1140
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: been they've been a win. Yeah, Like is there like

1141
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: a there's a softer practice, there's an hour that they

1142
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: can be.

1143
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: So during the work week practice or during practice week,

1144
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: they're there an hour Like right before you're about to

1145
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: go out to I think is it before?

1146
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: I think it used to be before.

1147
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: It used to be before practice and then after the

1148
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: game you have ten minutes to like clear your thoughts

1149
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: and then they come in right after ten minutes.

1150
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy, and then you might get called

1151
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: to the podium.

1152
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: Then then Stacy James is like our media guy. He

1153
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: would call certain the certain and round up the guys

1154
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: that would go to the media, or he would kind

1155
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: of give you the you know, hey, we're just going

1156
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: to do you.

1157
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: At the locker.

1158
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: He was like the main point of contact for everything

1159
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: between with everything, Like if you didn't go do media

1160
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: for a couple of days, Stacey would come and say,

1161
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I've done you haven't done media in

1162
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: a couple of days. You know, the NFL can find you.

1163
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1164
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: He would kind of be a reminder and he he

1165
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: used to have to like he used to have to

1166
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: deal with everyone, you know, coaches, players, anything to do

1167
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 2: with the media, Stacy James, He's.

1168
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: Dealt with us on the other side when we were

1169
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: doing the documentary. Yeah, that's such a tough job.

1170
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: I can't imagine going to the head coach after getting

1171
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: losing in a super coach we got to go do

1172
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: media or you know, grabbing Tom or grabbing Gronk or

1173
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: you know, he had to grab everyone at the highest

1174
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: of the highs, but also the lowest the lows.

1175
00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: That's brutal.

1176
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 5: So was he if and if say you did slip

1177
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 5: up and you did give him a sound bite and

1178
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 5: you did say throw somebody under the bus?

1179
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: Is Stacy the guy you go talk to or they

1180
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: would call you. What happens if like someone says something

1181
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: that gets to be national news or boltimbore material.

1182
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: Oh that very next day, team meeting eight o'clock sharp

1183
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: could be headlining the fucking coaches meeting things, not what

1184
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: to do in the media.

1185
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: Oh so the whole team's here, the whole team.

1186
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, this is an example of what we are

1187
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: not supposed to do. And then play like a clip,

1188
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: play the clip, read the clipping to you.

1189
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: No, but did he do it to Light. Didn't Light

1190
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: say he did it to him. I believe that for

1191
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: the you, the media, yeah yeah, or the union, the players. Yeah.

1192
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: Were there any like habitual line steppers. No, Because what

1193
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: our coach would do.

1194
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: Is before, like in his teaching on how to do

1195
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: the media, he would grab examples from other teams, like

1196
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: this is like what we're not supposed to do, okay,

1197
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: and then the guy would say, yeah, you know, you

1198
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: know it's it's look, it's fucking mini camps. Like this

1199
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: guy was in college last year and this is what

1200
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: he says. And he'd go like, look, you know, I

1201
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: think I'm going double digit sacks this year.

1202
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm the fastest. And then Bill he would read it.

1203
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: But how he would read it would fucking everyone start

1204
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: laughing at his ship. Look, he'd read it like elevens. Look,

1205
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: he'd have like a little like fucking Lawrence Taylor didn't

1206
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: even do that. And then he keep reading you know

1207
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: what I mean, yeah, just like just killing the kid.

1208
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: And then he'd go like uh and then and then uh, yeah,

1209
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: So he would give us examples on what not to do.

1210
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. That's that's the guys that like regularly

1211
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: show upon Sanders.

1212
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm find it'd be current just heard because

1213
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: those guys could say stuff to Bill and Marshawn Lynch.

1214
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: It'd be like a no name guy saying something that

1215
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: like is fuel on the fire for the other guys.

1216
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: What part of your career did you start getting a

1217
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: little bit more leeway and not just for like you know, interviews,

1218
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 1: but with some of the media that we were doing.

1219
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: Social media, Yeah, commercial social media.

1220
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: I would say after the super Bowl, the first first

1221
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 2: super Bowl, you know, I mean after the first big

1222
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: contract maybe, yeah, but you.

1223
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: Know it's a New England medium moment.

1224
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 5: I really like And I would like to find this

1225
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 5: specific item when Chris Long wore the Julian Edelman mask locker,

1226
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 5: I want to find that. We got to get that

1227
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 5: in the nuthouse, freaking low behind that again, I don't

1228
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 5: even know he just bought. He spent like two thousand

1229
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 5: dollars on getting a mask made of my face and

1230
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 5: he did the media in my yellow shirt, my red

1231
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 5: beanie in my mask.

1232
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: We have the picture I put it there. Fucking Kyle.

1233
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: I think about that like kind of word of Chris.

1234
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of nailed it. He kind of did is

1235
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: that your Those are my earphones that I used to

1236
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: wear all the time. Is that a Red JA eleven?

1237
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: No, that's the I would always turn my hat inside out,

1238
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 2: So it was just Red.

1239
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why I think about that, like somewhat

1240
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: often he's so fun, he's he was a fun teammate.

1241
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: Chris is the man man.

1242
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's It's also media is very different now

1243
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: because a lot of these you know, it's going to

1244
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: be interesting to see what the league does because a

1245
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: lot of these guys won't say anything to the league's

1246
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: media and then they just hold it on their podcast,

1247
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: which is brilliant, which is smart. Absolutely, which is brilliant,

1248
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: like Micah yep. And there's the the Saint Brown's yep.

1249
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: I mean the kels Kes. Absolutely, they're the.

1250
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: Pioneers of it.

1251
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: Really, there's other guys that do it, but like they

1252
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: were really like two prime guys active that were prime

1253
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: Active stars.

1254
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys that weren't going to get the call you

1255
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: know every Tuesday, Prime Active Stars.

1256
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 5: What do you think would happen if, say, the year

1257
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 5: is twenty seventeen and you went to New England's head

1258
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 5: coach and said, starting.

1259
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: A podcast coach weekly. We talk football every week.

1260
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: I have guests on you know what at that point

1261
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: in my career, if if it was done, I used

1262
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: to do a radio show. That's true that the team did, right,

1263
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: you would do it. We would do the radio show

1264
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: for like you would do the radio show and they

1265
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: would give you like one hundred flights of jet blue.

1266
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: Oh that's what you get for it. Yeah, that's pretty cool,

1267
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1268
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 2: Like yet, yeah, mint nice, but you get taxed on it,

1269
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: so you're paying thirty three cents a dollar. But regardless,

1270
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: you would do like you would get paid stuff for

1271
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: that radio show that was associated with the organization. So

1272
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: if I knew what I know now, what I would

1273
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: have done is probably formulate my own and make it

1274
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: we're out about things I was comfortable talking about, and

1275
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 2: then hire my own my own advertisement so I can

1276
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: make money directly instead.

1277
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: Of Brain Free, Big Brain podcast.

1278
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: I would probably, Yeah, that's what the guys are doing now,

1279
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 2: you know, cause like.

1280
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 1: I mean, we were pitching games with names and making

1281
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: games with names of thing when you were still playing,

1282
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: like we were going to set that up now potentially

1283
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: we did not. Yet we were pitching it and it

1284
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: would all kind of happened right when you were starting

1285
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: reg now, I thought we that was like twenty nineteen,

1286
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: but we developed We were developing it to do while

1287
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: you were still an active player.

1288
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 2: We were a podcast, not games with names. We didn't

1289
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: know the concept yet because.

1290
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: The reason why we did it Evergreen and on Tuesdays

1291
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: was because off day and it wouldn't be touching hot,

1292
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: taky shit and you could record a bunch.

1293
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: You could never interview someone on a Tuesday. This wasn't

1294
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: thought about until at least nineteen. But you were still

1295
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: playing in nineteen, I know, but it wasn't seventeen. Well, semantics,

1296
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: and you were still active.

1297
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: You were still active two years we were formulated. While

1298
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: seventeen and nineteen that's two super Bowls. I had a

1299
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: good football left to be played. Yeah, that's a different

1300
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: that's difference. And like if you were active or not

1301
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: that if you had played another year, you probably would

1302
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: have been doing this show while you were active. Now

1303
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been like talking about fucking the game

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: right after the fact. We probably would have recorded a

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Speaker 1: bunch in a row in the off season and dropped

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Speaker 1: them out. It was hard for me to do that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Though I know.

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Speaker 2: Like I would, I don't know if I would have

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Speaker 2: been able to do it, because you got to be

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Speaker 2: able like that's we also.

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Speaker 1: Didn't know what we didn't know at that that point

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Speaker 1: right about it wasn't what it is now. There weren't

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Speaker 1: many active guys. We didn't know what we were doing.

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Speaker 2: Then I did think about the team whenever we did anything.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference between you and most other guys.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like I, I didn't want

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Speaker 2: to get too big with in loud with our stuff.

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Speaker 1: What if your place starts slipping? And then remember remember

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Speaker 1: with the fucking NFL Films documentary in Mexico that you

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Speaker 1: recorded that we were down in like June or something

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Speaker 1: in Mexico, you tore your a CL and then that

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Speaker 1: August or whatever, and then that aired after you toy

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Speaker 1: your a CL and people were like, why is you

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Speaker 1: skateboarding with an ACL? They couldn't comprehend that we did

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Speaker 1: it off and there was a lot of heat, not

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Speaker 1: a lot, but there was enough people talking about that,

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Speaker 1: so ship like that. Yeah, it's just sad because you

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Speaker 1: got to think about it.

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Speaker 5: There's no I in team, but there is an eye

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Speaker 5: on Instagram, and there's eye in Twitter and TikTok and

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Speaker 5: Twitter and TikTok. Yeah, you gotta think about that. No

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Speaker 5: YouTube makes no sense at all. But I'm just saying

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Speaker 5: it YouTube.

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Speaker 1: There is a to b the tube. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: I think it was terrible. I was sure we've missed

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions. I'm sure we missed a lot

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Speaker 1: of like intricacies that people might want to know about

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Speaker 1: the NFL media. So please the media landscape, So please

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Speaker 1: put your questions in the YouTube comment section or anywhere

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01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: you can comment. We've been pulling them on doing it.

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Speaker 1: So any more questions and nuance on this stuff. Please

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Speaker 1: let us know about educating the fans. Yeah, maybe shout

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Speaker 1: out Mike Grease starstruck at Our. At our premiere, Mike

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Speaker 1: Greese was like, oh my god, first wrote like my

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Speaker 1: first article. I think he went to a Jewish camp

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Speaker 1: with the soft He's got aura. Mike Grease has aura.

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Speaker 1: Mike Mike Reese felt safe because.

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Speaker 5: He's a good he's straight up man. He's not some

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Speaker 5: gotcha guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a.

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Speaker 2: Legit and he would he would like let you know

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Speaker 2: when he like, sorry, tools, I gotta ask it, but

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, like literally you could see in his eyes

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: and it hurt him that he had to ask me

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01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 2: a certain question like yeah, I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: But you know, probably he's getting pressure to get some

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Speaker 1: stuff too. Yeah. Shout out Mike Grease, Shout up OUTC, Tom, Tommy, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: How was good? Thanks for listening. Remember to tune in

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday for a brand new episode and every Sunday

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Speaker 1: for another Games with Names Highlight

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