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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Your wedding, your honeymoon. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of girls grow up dreaming of that. You know.

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Speaker 1: The other day, my daughter's little friend blurted out that

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Speaker 1: How does a beautiful young bride who has a dream

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in series M one eleven. First

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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this public record show

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Speaker 1: the Memphis area couple tied the knot in February the

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Speaker 1: Turtle Island Resort, confirming the two were guests at the

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Speaker 1: The time in your life when it's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: to that, our friends at Fox thirteen. The couple lived

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Speaker 1: improve the lives of children. So these two seemingly were

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Speaker 1: a perfect fit. Joining me an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: What more do I know about Christie? You know? I mean,

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Speaker 1: on the surface, this really was a fairy tale pairing.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who's talked about Christie being a wonderful human being,

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Speaker 1: against this background, how was this beautiful young bride, Christy

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Speaker 1: found there and then the injury is I mean, and

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Speaker 1: on top of that, you look at the pattern of

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Speaker 1: behavior in the two days prior, early for breakfast and

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Speaker 1: attending all the things that are planning for them or

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Speaker 1: those there on the on the island that do not

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Speaker 1: disturb sign you know, no items. You know, we look

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Speaker 1: at burglary. I mean, I'm going to assume if you're

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00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: staying in a place to charging thirty five hundred dollars

433
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: a night, it wouldn't be uncommon to have high end jewelry,

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Speaker 1: rolex watches, things like that. None of that has ever

435
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Speaker 1: come out as missing. The only thing missing is the

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Speaker 1: passport and the wallet. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So

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00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: where has the husband gone? Is he dead too? Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at crime Online. According to police,

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00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: Dawson tried to leave the country by water. The mainland

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00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: is a two to three hour bow ride from Turtle Island,

441
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Speaker 1: just over a mile away. However, Dawson shows up on

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00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: a secluded beach on Matako Wha Levu Island. A local

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00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: man finds Dawson covered with cuts and bruises walking toward

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00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: the village. The man tells Dailymail dot Com that Dawson

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00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: said he used a kayak to paddle to the island

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Speaker 1: after having a fight with his wife and asked that

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00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: the police be called. The kayak Dawson claimed he traveled

448
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: to the island on has not been found. Okay, I'm

449
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: really torn right now between Charlie Lankston at Dailymail for

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Speaker 1: some facts and doctor Bethany Marshall. Okay, sorry, Charlie, I'm

451
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: going with a shrink. You know what, when I get

452
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: angry with my husband, I might stomp out to the backyard,

453
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Speaker 1: but that's pretty much it because the children are inside.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go too far, right, but to get

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Speaker 1: on a kayak and row yourself off the island, really,

456
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Speaker 1: am I supposed to believe that? I would love to

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Speaker 1: argue that to a jury. He was so angry and

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Speaker 1: embarrassed over his sexy dance with another woman that he

459
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: rode himself off the island with a kayak and he

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Speaker 1: demands police be called. Okay, it was not a cool

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Speaker 1: week if it was one point two miles. Oh, dear

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Speaker 1: Lord and hem and thank you Charlie. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: after about thirty feet with a kayak, I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've had enough, I'm going back. Did you say one

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Speaker 1: point two miles, Charlie, like one point two miles? This

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Speaker 1: was not a kind of you know, frustrated, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to row a few feet in order to get out

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Speaker 1: of my aggression. He went one point two miles at

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Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of the night. It was

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Speaker 1: also pitch black. Okay, so doctor bethany a kayak in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the night because he's what angry over

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Speaker 1: the argument and embarrassed because of his sexy dance with

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Speaker 1: another guest. Really, okay, let's see, they had an argument,

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Speaker 1: they're enraged each other. They're fighting. The fighting is whack

475
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: thing and waning all night long. Usually, when you're in

476
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Speaker 1: a fight, you do not want to leave the person

477
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Speaker 1: you're fighting with. This is a known fact. This is

478
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Speaker 1: why we have anger management groups where we instruct people. Hey,

479
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: if you're having a horrible fight, you know, give yourself

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00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: permission to leave the room of the where the loved one.

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Speaker 1: You know how I hate when you talk like that.

482
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: Give yourself permission, but I stop. Okay, will you try

483
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: to sight again in regular people talk? Okay, Here's what

484
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: happens when people are fighting. They will not let their

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Speaker 1: loved one out of the room because the minute the

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00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: loved one leaves the room, they feel abandoned. They become

487
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: terrified that the other person is going to go, cheat, betray,

488
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Speaker 1: you know, find somebody. Wait a minute, I never think that.

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Speaker 1: If David and I have an argument, he immediately goes

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Speaker 1: to pick up his dry cleaning and I say, go

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Speaker 1: go now, go leaf, Nancy, that's why you're still married.

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Speaker 1: And I'm never a friend. He's going to hop in

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Speaker 1: a kayak and row away, or have an a fair,

494
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: or get drunk or high. I know that he's going

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00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: to come back. I mean, would you say that again?

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Speaker 1: But Nancy, you're normal, You're normal. Okay. So most couples

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Speaker 1: who have very conflicted relationships will not allow themselves or

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Speaker 1: allow the other person to leave the room once the

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Speaker 1: fight begins. This is well known in my field. They

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Speaker 1: will fight and fight almost to the death all night long.

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00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: They'll fight for hours because the minute their husband, wife,

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00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: partner leaves the room, they become filled with abandonment anxiety,

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00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: and then there are frantic attempts to re engage the

504
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: other person and then pull them back into the room.

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Speaker 1: So it's really unusual for couples who are in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a very severe fight to separate from each other.

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Speaker 1: In fact, in my field, we teach couples that when

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Speaker 1: they're fighting, they have to leave each other for what

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00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: we call a cooling off period, because typically they will

510
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: not do that on their own. So this husband to

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Speaker 1: get into a kayak in the dead of night row

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Speaker 1: one point two miles to another island. That does not

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Speaker 1: happen with conflictual company. Yeah, you know, Gary Davison, I

514
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: think she's right. Gary Davison, high profile lawyer joining us.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see you arguing this to a

516
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Speaker 1: jury that he got into a kayak and rowed away

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00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: from the island because he was angry and humiliated. I

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Speaker 1: would call it flight. You know what that is evidence

519
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: of wrongdoing, evidence of guilt when you take off like

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00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: Scott Theaters and dying as air blonde and taking off

521
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Speaker 1: with ten grand fake id and bleach blonde air. Oh yeah,

522
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: and viagra that too. But Gary, I mean, it's flight,

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Speaker 1: that's why he left. How are you going to spend

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Speaker 1: that in front of a jury and on a kayak?

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00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Now us welcome on a kayak presumably based on what

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Speaker 1: we know. So far with his wallet and his passport.

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Speaker 1: What in the world is somebody on a remote island

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Speaker 1: going to be doing on a kayak in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the night or early in the morning. That's a

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Speaker 1: really good point, Gary Davidson yet again, which leads me

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Speaker 1: to Jemia Norman at GMA, thirty eight year old Dawson

532
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: had allegedly already fled the all inclusive resort where the

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Speaker 1: couple had been staying. He left. He's a GPS watch

534
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: when the island clouds are but he's walked impossible, and

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00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: John kayak and was trying to escape the island. Everattingion

536
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: was to every arrived in the mainland, perhaps atually my

537
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: sex to the universtate. That was very grainy, but that

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00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: it's where he could catch a flight perhaps back to

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Speaker 1: the US. So Gary Davidson, you just hit the nail

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Speaker 1: on the head yet again. That's why I believe he

541
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Speaker 1: left the island, because he couldn't get a flight of

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00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: this remote from this remote area. Then the investigation begins.

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00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. The Dawsons then left the party,

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Speaker 1: but their argument continued on the beach on their way

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Speaker 1: back to their private bungalow. About midnight. Bradley Dawson maintains

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00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: that Christie Chen's death was an accident. Guest next door

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00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: said they heard arguing, allowed, scream and then silence. Chen

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00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: was found slumped in the tiny space between the toilet

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00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: and the wall of the bathroom in their bungalow, covered

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Speaker 1: in blood. According to a dailymail dot com source, the

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Speaker 1: lid of the toilet cistern was cracked and broken, an argument,

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00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: allows scream and then silence, and that silence must have

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00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: been deafening. I think that was the last utterance that

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00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: was ever made by the bride, Christie Chen. How would

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Speaker 1: the did of the commode be cracked and broken? Does

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Speaker 1: it suggest to you, John Guard joining us from Pitt

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00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: County Sheriffs, that her head was slammed into It could

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Speaker 1: be a possibility. Absolutely. You know, John Guard, you specialize

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Speaker 1: in investigating domestic violence cases. When I hear a loud argument,

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Speaker 1: a scream, and in silence, that's chilling to me. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: In a lot of cases we don't we don't have this,

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00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: but in this one you certainly do have witness statements

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00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: that point that out think can confirm it. And it

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00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: all started over a dance a flirtatious dance or did

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00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: it because John guard I remember working at the Battered

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00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Women's Center as a volunteer for many years. One woman

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Speaker 1: said her husband beat her just horrible. She ended up

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Speaker 1: in the hospital because she had made He asked for

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Speaker 1: Mexican that night, and she had made tacos instead of

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00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: enchiladas or vice versa, and they were having guests over

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00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: that night, and that made him so angry he beat

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Speaker 1: her to a state that she had to go to

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Speaker 1: the emergency room. But my point is, it's not over

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00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: tacos versus enchiladas. It's not over the flirtatious dance. It's

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Speaker 1: over something else. John Guard absolutely, I mean there was

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Speaker 1: something in his mind that that pushed him to do that.

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00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: But again, the signs are their crime of passion and

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Speaker 1: just what happened post post death. You know that it's

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Speaker 1: been reported guys regarding her body, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: Dave mac Christie. Chen's family flew to Fiji to have

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Speaker 1: her body cremated. The family's lawyer says the injuries to

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Speaker 1: the thirty six year old's face, head, and back were

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Speaker 1: so severe that her body could not be transported back

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Speaker 1: to the US. Reportedly, the morgetendent feared that the laceration

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Speaker 1: around Chen's eyes were so deep the embalming fluid might

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Speaker 1: leak out. That's why the hospital recommended the body be cremated.

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Speaker 1: A leading US pathologist, doctor Michael Boden, however, tells Fox

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00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: News Digital that Chen's remains could have been returned in

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00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: a sealed casket for further forensic analysis. Doctor Williams agree

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Speaker 1: or disagree? Yeah, I agree with that completely. Yeah, I've

591
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: received bodies. You can pack him in from aldehyde powder.

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Speaker 1: It's ugly, it's ugly. When you get him back. You

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00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: can have funeral directors hospitalized because of There's absolutely no

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00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: reason that that body could not have been shipped anywhere

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00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: for a second autopsy. So that was a grave mistake.

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00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: But that's what we're left with. Charlie Lights and joining

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Speaker 1: us from dalimail dot com. Where does the case stand

598
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: now and where is Bradley Dawson the groom. Bradley Dawson

599
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: is currently behind bos in Fiji. He's on the mainland now.

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00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: He has secured the services of a lawyer. He refused

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00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: to give DNA evidence to for Gian officials after he

602
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: was arrested, and he insists that he is not guilty

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Speaker 1: of his wife's murder. However, those are the charges that

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00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: he has been, you know, kind of faced with by

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Speaker 1: Fijian officials. He is insisting that his wife's death was

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Speaker 1: a tragic accident. I'm not quite sure, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not the legal expert, but in my mind, a woman

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Speaker 1: who was very clearly severely beaten to death, I don't

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Speaker 1: understand how that's an accident. If you, or anyone you

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00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: know is suffering from domestic violence, please call a Heartline

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Speaker 1: toll free eight hundred seven nine nine safe eight hundred

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Speaker 1: seven nine nine seven two three three goodbye for