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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexis

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Speaker 1: code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It's the top of the week.

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Speaker 1: We want to thank everybody who has written in on

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Speaker 1: our previous Strange News segment where we looked at the

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Speaker 1: possible catastrophes awaiting airlines. We looked at suspicious deaths in Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: We looked at a Corvid takeover of a town in California.

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Speaker 1: You know, now we're shifting to something different. We've got

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Speaker 1: some We've got some stories on the forefront of cloning science.

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Speaker 1: We've got some disturbing stories from our neck of the

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Speaker 1: woods here in Georgia, the state, not the country for now,

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Speaker 1: and we also have a little bit of a car

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Speaker 1: usually all about it. Maybe the best way in is

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Speaker 1: to to say this, And this is something all our

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Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists who have been trying to buy or

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Speaker 1: future because the world's supply chains have absolutely you know,

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Speaker 1: they messed with every industry and used cars, especially at

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Speaker 1: price of used cars has gone up like thirty or something.

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Speaker 1: It's nuts. And with this first story, I predict that

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Speaker 1: the value of used cars is only going to increase. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We did a we did an episode years back, many

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Speaker 1: The idea have like a potential, you know, hack points

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Speaker 1: even like to control a car that has too much

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Speaker 1: where those two entities are working together to monitor what's

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Speaker 1: how that translates to, you know, how safe of a

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Speaker 1: Tesla's can like automatically order themselves replacement parts. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: But someone who maybe isn't aware of that feature and

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Speaker 1: actual language of this bill. So you know, we're in

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Speaker 1: Is it overreach? Is it? Is it a good safety measure?

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Speaker 1: of property ownership in the twenty first century, and like,

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Speaker 1: So this is becoming a thing that is really like

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00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: kind of picking up steam. Um tinker Bell who was

429
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: a five pound papatis um who who had more than

430
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: five thousand followers on Instagram. Uh, the owner of the team.

431
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: I guess this this this pet has a team. Um

432
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: revealed that in twenty nineteen, tinker Bells DNA was being

433
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: collected and stored for potential cloning. Another account of the

434
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: name of I Party with Bruce Wayne, which has fifty

435
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: five thousand followers, This one is all about this group

436
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: of cloned chihuahuas. Um and there's pictures of them all

437
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: in like holiday sweaters, like all sitting together, and they

438
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: are indeed identical. Uh this probably goes without saying, but

439
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: I just want to say it anyway. When you clone

440
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: an animal, um, it's not like you're reincarnating it. You know,

441
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: like if your animal has died and you you you've

442
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: you've saved this material and you go through the process

443
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: of creating the clone. It's it's almost more akin to

444
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: like in vitro fertilization than it is some sort of magical,

445
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, like reproduction process. UM So, your pet is it.

446
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna look the same, it's gonna be a genetically identical,

447
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: but it's not like it's all of a sudden gonna

448
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: have the exact same personality um as as your pet

449
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: that that passed. Uh So. Melane Rodriguez, who is a

450
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: client services manager, at via Jen makes this point, um,

451
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, just to make sure that people understand what

452
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: they're getting into. She makes the point in the input

453
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: article that you know, this is in many ways UM

454
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: used by very wealthy people who are having a hard

455
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: time coping, you know, with the loss of a pet. Um.

456
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: This is a way that many of them are able

457
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: to kind of like move forward. But then she does

458
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: note that the pets aren't reincarnations like I said before,

459
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: and they're going to have different personalities than the one

460
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: that they were cloned from. UM. This is very very expensive,

461
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: by the way, Each clone um costs between thirty five

462
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: thousand and fifty thou dollars, and that depends a lot

463
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: on the animal um. And then the vigigue has describes

464
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: the process like this. The eggs and the embryos are

465
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: created in a dish and then transferred into the surrogate um.

466
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: If you ever had a wonderful pet that you love

467
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: so much, it's so hard to lose them. A lot

468
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: of our clients are in that situation. And as we know,

469
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: a lot of Instagram influencers are quite wealthy, whether they

470
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: were already wealthy, and that's sort of how they came

471
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: to become Instagram influencers, that that's often the case, or

472
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: many of them hustled and and absolutely scrapped and learned

473
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: their their followership from from scratch. Uh and and maybe

474
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: didn't come from wealth. And and that's absolutely part of

475
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: this too. Um Kelly Anderson is another pet owner and

476
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: influencer pet influencer that is quoted in this input article.

477
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: Um And she's a dog trainer, and she had a

478
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: cat named Chai, who she described as being her soul mate.

479
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: UM and had you know, I mean, obviously many folks

480
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: have incredibly close connections to their pets, and losing the

481
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: pet is in many ways as painful as losing any

482
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 1: other loved one. Um And she did the cloning in

483
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: order to help her cope because she actually was so

484
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: distraught that she wasn't able to continue doing what she

485
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: normally would do. And and she is the one who,

486
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: she says in the article that she built up her

487
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 1: thousand strong followership just kind of by being scrappy and resourceful,

488
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: but when her cat died, she wasn't able to continue

489
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like a real problem for her.

490
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask this, because don't not to

491
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: be too much of a caricature of myself. But I'm

492
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: pretty cynical with some of these cases. So I was

493
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: also looking up on the via Jin website. I was

494
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: reading some of their information, and at some point, for

495
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: at least some of these accounts, we're talking about a

496
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: business decision. At least in the heart, you're making your

497
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: game income. Yeah, off of this. That range of pricing

498
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: is like fifty grand for a dog, thirty five for

499
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: a cat, which is interesting. And then there's a lot

500
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: of interest in horse cloning because that can make a

501
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: ton of money. But my I I can see this

502
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: absolutely just being a reasonable investment. I like I have.

503
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: The pet fluencer says I have struck lightning in a

504
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 1: bottle here or whatever whatever figure a speech on muddling,

505
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: and they say, I need, you know, uh, Rupert Goldie

506
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: Tooes or whatever their dog's name is to live forever

507
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: so that I can continue my career as a pet influencer.

508
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: Then I'll have Goldie Toes too, Like I don't. I'm

509
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: not saying this means they don't deeply care for their animals,

510
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: but I'm saying at some point it's inseparable. Like half

511
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: a million followers and it's dependent upon the popularity of

512
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: an animal that will naturally expire before the human owner does.

513
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: That's right, and and and you know it you could

514
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: probably even if you're cloned animal doesn't have the exact

515
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: same temperament or personality. A lot of this is pictures

516
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: and stills and stuff. And unless your your animals known

517
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: for doing some kind of wacky trick or something like that,

518
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: a lot of it is just about the look of

519
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: of the animal. And then so, um, this is an

520
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: opportunity that ViaGen saw and the season on Rodriguez. Um

521
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't go into specifics, you know about how many pet

522
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: fluencers are doing this specifically, you know, for the business

523
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: side of it, but it clearly is something that they're

524
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: considering because they go to all of these conferences. You know,

525
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: I could picture of them having a booth at like

526
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: a pet fluencer conference and and she asks the question

527
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: if someone made a living off of their pet, and

528
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: then some the pets gone, what do you do? Then? Uh,

529
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: And apparently you know, this is something that very much

530
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: resonated with the folks that are going to these conferences.

531
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: So uh, there's definitely that, But it also points out

532
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: the article that um. It's not an easy process for

533
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: the surrogate um and as we do, it can take

534
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: many years with many um, you know, trials and errors.

535
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that means. If that means

536
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: that some of these attempts are like failing or that

537
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: they're like not are they? Is it something where you

538
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: could potentially generate, you know, a clone that then dies

539
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: or is in some way genetically unstable and and and

540
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: has some sort of horrible condition, is in pain? Like?

541
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: How many failed attempts do you have to you know,

542
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: go through to make a viable clone and are those failed?

543
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: Do those failed attempts to involve pain for the animals?

544
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. And if anyone out there is in

545
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: genetics and knows a little more about that, I'm interested

546
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: because they don't talk about that. This isn't something they

547
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: don't really tell you how the sausage is made exactly.

548
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: So I've got to wonder if some of these aren't

549
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: viable and it takes that long, how many you know?

550
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be macabre about it, but

551
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: it makes me think of like you know, body horror

552
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: sci fi type stuff like Cronenberger. You maybe have like

553
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: some sort of monstrosity or something, you know, like that

554
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: maybe is in some way, uh, you know, like in

555
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: pain and and and shouldn't exist. I don't know if

556
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: that's the case, and I'm sorry if I'm being alarmist

557
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: or extremes. I think where my imagination is going. But

558
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: I have to imagine that's a possibility, because yeah, it

559
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: clearly is. Is that the fine folks that be a

560
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: gen viagin or whatever it is, they're asking for roughly

561
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: the annual salary of most of us to make a

562
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: clone of a pet. Right, It's like more expensive than

563
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: some very high end cars. It's what people make in

564
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: a year. That also, that number doesn't count sales tax,

565
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: which further the expense makes me further convinced that in

566
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: many cases, uh, this is a business move. I think

567
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: there's something else that's really dangerous about this that people

568
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: haven't talked about, and I know some of us listening

569
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: today are thinking the exact same thing. Is this so

570
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: different from cloning a deceased loved one or human relative?

571
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: Currently I don't know whether this is good news or

572
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: bad news to everybody, but currently eighties illegal to clone,

573
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: to quote knowingly clone people so you could make a

574
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: case if you're about geneticist, you can make a case

575
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: where you say your honor was I was I upset

576
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: about the death of my human left one, Yes, but

577
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: I did not know I was making a clone. I

578
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: clearly smart enough to do it, and this new person

579
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: is alive. But uh, it was my bad. It was

580
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: an accident. Like, how does that help hold up in court?

581
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: I mean people could do it if it was legal, right, Like,

582
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: if I could clone humans legally, why not do it?

583
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Some other business would? But but do they I don't understand.

584
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: They would have to clone like a baby, right, I

585
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: mean it would like they would. It would be an embryo,

586
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: and you have to go to the whole life cycle

587
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: to get the person back to the age that you

588
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: remembered them, and it would be a whole another life.

589
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: It's not like you can can't clone their brain. I mean,

590
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: you can't clone their fully formed memories and their brain

591
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: and all that. There's so much weird black mirror rabbit

592
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: holing to do with that scenario with animals a little different,

593
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: but it's not that different. Uh. Not to mention something

594
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: that didn't put points out that I really agree with

595
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: is that this is kind of you could argue pretty decadent.

596
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: Um when they're you know, six and a half roughly

597
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: million animals in shelters. You know, why not just carry

598
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: on the memory of your beloved patent, give that love

599
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: to another animal that needs a home. Yeah, I mean,

600
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: if you're saying that we could have another Robin Williams

601
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: in like thirty years, like if we started right now. Yeah,

602
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: that's the thing. There is some decadents and you know,

603
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: I well, it's maybe not an expense that I myself

604
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: would undergo or undertake. Rather, I have a tough time

605
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: telling people what to do with their own money, you

606
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like if you want, if you

607
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: want to, if you own horses, of course you're inevitably

608
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 1: gonna consider the breeding racing business. So paying eighty five

609
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: grand to clone an animal that has already made you millions,

610
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: that just makes sense, you know, it makes a lot

611
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: of sense in that department. You're right, especially, I mean

612
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: I think I made him mention this. Um back when

613
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: I was a reporter for public Radio I in Augusta,

614
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: where I was, where I worked, where my bureau was. Um,

615
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: we have this thing called the futurity it's like a

616
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: big horse trading kind of like rodeo type event. And

617
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: I went to an auction, you know, for breeding rights

618
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: for these horses, and they literally auction off semen. Yeah,

619
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, came from a prized winning racehorse. So how

620
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: is this any different than that. It's just like the

621
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: next level of that. Um. So that's an interesting point. Band.

622
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: Do they use the same hats for that or is

623
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: it a different kind of Yeah? Yeah, the horses just

624
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: rub up on people's heads and that has collect the juice.

625
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: A lot of good people died. But it is an industry.

626
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: And also no, I I fully predict this will continue

627
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: to evolve. You know, the horse, it's still not Yeah,

628
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: it's still imperfect. We don't have much information now on

629
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the non viable embryos that are created.

630
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: We don't have that much information on how far along

631
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: organism may get before it runs into some sort of problem.

632
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: Like I think it was oh my gosh, it was

633
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: new Scientists reported a long time ago when the dollar

634
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: story was making the rounds that a lot of these

635
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: animals were like their attrition rate was pretty high. So

636
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: the I think there was one cameram which which experiment

637
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: was but by eight hundred days in after the cloning,

638
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: three of the animals that have been cloned were dead

639
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: due to one thing or another. So I would ask to, uh,

640
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: if you are a pet influencer, or you're just someone

641
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Speaker 1: who really misses your your pooch or your parakeet or

642
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: your cat or whatever, I would try to do some

643
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: digging to figure out what that attrition rate is and

644
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: whether it will actually work, you know what I mean?

645
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: And what like? What do you do if you what

646
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: do you do if you spend fifty dollars cloning your

647
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: dog and then that dog, that little cute little puppy

648
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: you received, unfortunately passes away in the night just a

649
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: few months later. Do you get a refund? Do they

650
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: just make a new clone? This is a really weird

651
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: world we're entering. Yeah, no exactly if it does feel

652
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: like we're entering into sort of a Gattica esque presents

653
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: and and near future, no question about it. But um,

654
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep an eye on for sure and

655
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: how far something like this can go. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break for a sponsor word and

657
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Speaker 1: then we're back with one more piece of strange news,

658
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Speaker 1: and we're back and we are headed to Griffin, Georgia.

659
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Speaker 1: That is in our state. It is south of the

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Speaker 1: city of Atlanta, where we currently live. I don't know, guys.

661
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I would almost say middle of Georgia if Google Maps

662
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: would actually function for me right now, but it's not.

663
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: I know, it's south of the city. Yeah, I've got

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Speaker 1: some I've got some contacts. I guess you could call

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00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: them friends in Griffin. Uh. And that was a shady

666
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: way to say sorry, but it's um, yeah, you're you're

667
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: spot on. It's it's uh south. Kind of think of

668
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: it as like a little less than halfway between here

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Speaker 1: and another town called Columbus, which is right by the

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Speaker 1: Albam and Georgia border. That's a great way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: So we're headed there for this story. It's coming to

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Speaker 1: us via NBC News. You're gonna read you the headline here.

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Speaker 1: Georgia pastor and wife charged with false imprisonment after people

674
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: found in locked basement. Yes, that isn't alarming. I'm not

675
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: sure what's going on with you, but that's certainly those

676
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: words put together are alarming to me. And when you

677
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: first get into reading about this story, it does seem

678
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: quite alarming, but I'm going to make the argument throughout

679
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: the rest of the segment, you guys, that maybe this

680
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: isn't as bad and as scary as it appears on

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00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: the surface. Just gonna make the argument. We'll see, we'll see,

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00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: all right. So how did this happen? How let's start there, perhaps, well,

683
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: according to this article, there was an emergency call made

684
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: from a house in Griffin, Georgia, and when emergency services

685
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: crews showed up, they attempted to gain access to the

686
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: house and they were unable to do so. They went

687
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: around to a back door which is near the garage

688
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: area of this house, and there is a door to

689
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: the basement and they could tell that the person there

690
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: was in need that the emergency crews were sent out

691
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: for was inside the basement, but it was locked and

692
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: the people inside the basement could not open the door

693
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Speaker 1: and escape. So the emergency cruise made entry via a

694
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: window in that basement, found the person in need and

695
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: were able to help them. Then they determined that, oh wait,

696
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: there are a lot more people in this basement than

697
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Speaker 1: this one person who was in need of emergency services,

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Speaker 1: and I believe they found eight people in total locked, Yes,

699
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: eight people in total locked inside the basement of this

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Speaker 1: residential home. And the authorities discovered very quickly that the

701
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: people who are running this house where the people were

702
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: locked in the basement. Uh, it was Keith Bankston and

703
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: Sophia sim Bankston. They're married couple and they run a

704
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Speaker 1: church which is called One Step of Faith Second Chance.

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00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: That is stuck out to me too, One Step of Faith,

706
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: Second Chance. And also the the writer and me does

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00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: have to point out that they wrote out one but

708
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: they used the number signed for two, um, which is

709
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: just it's a bit strange. They're bigger issues. I'm the

710
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: first to say they're bigger issues. I just think it's

711
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: a weird game. I'm this is what I'm trying to do,

712
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: not pass judgment until we need to. Okay, So the name,

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00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: I agree, I've on notes. But but they've got a

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00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: ministry that they run. Okay, and uh, it is certainly

715
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: a bit strange that in this house that is associated

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Speaker 1: with their ministry there were eight people locked in the basement.

717
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: What we haven't told you yet is that all of

718
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: the eight people were either elderly, were wards of the state,

719
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: had mental or physical disabilities, it was some combination of those.

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Speaker 1: The ages were I believe between twenty three and sixty

721
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Speaker 1: five of people who are kept there. Almost immediately upon

722
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Speaker 1: being found in the basement, six of the individuals who

723
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: were down there were basically they were made to leave

724
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: that housing situation and they were put in other places. Um. Again,

725
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: many of these people were quote wards of the state,

726
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: so they were probably put in some kind of facility.

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Speaker 1: One person did choose to remain. Have you seen the

728
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: movie week I Care allt or Weak care a lot

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00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: and believes what it's called. It's got Peter Dinkligen and

730
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: um Rosamond Pike. It's about wards of the state and

731
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: like people people to take advantage of that um because

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00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, what happens when you become a ward of

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00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: the state is essentially are stripped of a lot of

734
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: your civil rights or your civil liberties. You know, you

735
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: are uh in some you are kind of a literally

736
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: what it sounds like, a ward of the state, and

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00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: that you are kind of held in many ways against

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Speaker 1: your will, like either that it was a psychiatric hole

739
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: that's put on you or whatever it might be, and

740
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: you lose a lot of autonomy. And the films about

741
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: some very opportunistic hucksters that take advantage of the system.

742
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: But it is a pretty scary place to be. This happens,

743
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: to one degree or another in many other examples we're

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00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: talking about in the legal sense, would be I guess,

745
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: an unlicensed care home because they didn't have the correct

746
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: paperwork or zoning. And that's that's one of the contentions,

747
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: at least when I was watching this story earlier, that's

748
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: one of the contention I think they're going to sort

749
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: out in court, right, Yes, that is the primary issue here.

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00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: They were attempting to run a you know, a facility

751
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: like this for people who needed housing, but they didn't

752
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: have the correct paperwork file. They didn't you know, they

753
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: didn't have the licenses to make it happen. Um. The

754
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: the weird thing is that the police department, and you know,

755
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: I guess the state of Georgia. I don't know, maybe

756
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: it's just the county that's pressing charges against this couple.

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00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: They're saying that it was false imprisonment. They were keeping

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00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: people imprisoned in the basement of this home. What you know,

759
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: the attorneys for the couple are saying is that no,

760
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: its not false imprisonment. It was actually them housing people

761
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: who needed a place to live, and it was it

762
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: was literally faith outreach allowing you know, people to stay

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00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: in a place that has food, warmth, uh water and

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00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: all the things that a human needs. Um. This is

765
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: where it gets at all strange to me. We don't

766
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: have all the information yet. We don't know if the

767
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: individuals who are staying there were actually being taken advantage

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Speaker 1: of financially in any way by this couple, by the

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Speaker 1: Bankston couple. We don't know as of right now what

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Speaker 1: all was happening to them, like what what type of

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00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: care was being provided for them, you know. I we

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00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of details here about whether or

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00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: not the facilities were in all, you know, all in

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00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: working order, if the facilities were clean, or what it

775
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: was like, and we don't actually know for sure. We

776
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: can't prove right now whether people were allowed to come

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00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: and go as they please, as the Bankstons and their

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00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: attorneys have said. Right you just hear the the sentence

779
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: locked in a basement and you're kind of goes places,

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00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, exactly. You mentioned a video about the story.

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Speaker 1: You can go to eleven alive dot com. That's one

782
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: one Alive dot com and you can find the story

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00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: attorney disputes claims after pastor whye face false imprisonment charges

784
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: in unlicensed group home investigation. You can hear from Mr

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00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: Wimbush who's the attorney for this couple, and you can

786
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: get a little more information on it. You can also

787
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: head on over to the website One Step of Faith

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00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: Ministries Inc. Dot com. Yeah, and you can read about

789
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: the couple. You can read about what they do. And

790
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: by the way, this is what I wanted to bring

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00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: up in the second Chance thing. The second chance part

792
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: of the name has to do with outreach they do

793
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: for those who have been incarcerated, so UH felons who

794
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: are now attempting to re enter the work place and

795
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: and I'll basically find their way forward. They do a

796
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: lot of outreach there and attempt to help people, which

797
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: I think is awesome noble. Yeah, and this is like,

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00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: this isn't nonprofit second Chance program UH does have its

799
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: nonprofit status. I do want to give a shout out

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Speaker 1: to the lawyer because Bankston's lawyer's full name is Dexter Whimbish,

801
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: which sounds like it is from a book. It doesn't

802
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: sound like a I mean, it's just there's something uh

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00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: that tickles me about about dexter whimbish. I might use

804
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: that as an alias going forward. But this, uh, this,

805
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: this is true, and I love that your point out.

806
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: We don't have we being the public, don't have all

807
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: the details here are these people? Were they truly held

808
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: against their will? Was their money they were receiving state subsidies?

809
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: Were these subsidies being managed by this couple, Which that

810
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: itself is not inherently bad, especially if there is some

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00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: sort of like legal guardianship in play. We just don't

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00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: know at this point. And I'm not you know, I

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00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: take on spirituality, religion aside. I have a policy of

814
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: never knocking anybody if they're try sincerely trying to help

815
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: other people, you know what I mean. Recidivism is just

816
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: so high in the US, and and a lot of

817
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: these people, you know, either won't find their way to

818
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: the services that they need or you know, fall through

819
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: the cracks of you know, government services. So sometimes it

820
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: is helpful or necessary for people to take steps to

821
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: to help these folks, you know, when they can't help themselves.

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00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: This something that strikes me just a little funny on

823
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: the website. In the bio for for the pastor for

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Speaker 1: Curtis Bankston, it's just like it's some pretty over the

825
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: top self aggrandizing language. He's described as a biblical scholar

826
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Speaker 1: and arguably one of the greatest visionaries and orators of

827
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: his generation. Oh you can. You can get away with

828
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: anything if you slap arguably on it. That's the best

829
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: point made today. I wouldn't agree, um, but I don't know,

830
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: not not again, not not throwing the mound of the

831
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: bus yet before they've had their day. But like it's

832
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: that struck me a little. But anyhow I did. I

833
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: don't disagree with you. Oh that's a bit, that's a

834
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: bit much. I don't know who wrote that. I'm sure

835
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: they wrote it themselves. And here that's when you write, Yeah,

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00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: you always like bio such a tricky dance, you know.

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Speaker 1: And also you know, the mission statement on their website

838
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: is bringing people to Christ um through the following acts

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00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: sort of headings, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, housing

840
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: the homeless, and helping the broken hearted find a way

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00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: out through Christ. All noble pursues but again very like Christ,

842
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: like you know, almost like casting this couple in this

843
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, very very holy kind of light, almost to

844
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: the point of it feeling a little a little culty

845
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know, Well maybe who knows. Look here,

846
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing I know. I'm not directly helping anyone

847
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: in you know extreme need like that actively right now.

848
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: And they may have been so to me. And it's

849
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: just like until there's all the information, a headline and

850
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: story like, you know, a bunch of people found in

851
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: a basement because this pastor locked him up in there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that just is the kind of thing that makes me feel.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of what are That's what

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Speaker 1: we do now. It's the it's the thing that's going

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Speaker 1: to get clicks, and that's the way people are going

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Speaker 1: to think about this pastor and the spouse now in

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Speaker 1: the ministry, even if it's found you know, months from now,

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Speaker 1: a year from now that no, they actually weren't. There

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Speaker 1: was no false imprisonment. They just needed to get licenses.

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Speaker 1: Just to Devil's advocate here, I mean not a quote

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Speaker 1: from the police report. It does say it is both

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Speaker 1: frightening and disgusting to see the degree of which these

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Speaker 1: individuals have been taken advantage of by people who are

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Speaker 1: in a position of trust. That's in the police statements.

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Speaker 1: That is what the police say. I'm not saying that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: We just have no context for what any of those

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Speaker 1: descriptors are are talking about, like how were they taking advantage?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? And that's where we get to

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Speaker 1: the idea of the court of public opinion, which is

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Speaker 1: tremendously tremendously powerful. Retractions are never printed on the front page, right,

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Speaker 1: and retractions are also often uh never covered by the

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Speaker 1: news because they don't garner as much immediate viserble attention

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Speaker 1: and reactions. Like I always think this is a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a different example, but uh, number of years ago,

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Speaker 1: there was a story that was making the rounds about

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Speaker 1: a person, a McDonald's customer, who sued the company for

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Speaker 1: having coffee that was too hot, and late night talk

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Speaker 1: shows definitely made a meal of this, the joke being

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Speaker 1: a not super creative observation that coffee is often served

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Speaker 1: hot unless you know they say it's iced coffee. And

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Speaker 1: I get it, because you've got to do a show

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Speaker 1: every day, so you gotta have some jokes, right, But

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Speaker 1: later you would find, if you either to look it up,

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Speaker 1: that this was not a frivolous lawsuit. It just became

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Speaker 1: treated as such based on the court of public opinions

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Speaker 1: when you hear stories like this, and again, I love

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Speaker 1: that you point this out. Mat know that we are

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Speaker 1: not making a judgment call here. What we're saying instead

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Speaker 1: is there does need to be more information, and we're

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Speaker 1: relaying to you the things have been said already, from

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Speaker 1: from the guy's attorney to the police, who did say

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Speaker 1: they thought it was reprehensible, and the attorney did acknowledge

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Speaker 1: that they do not have that license, but that they

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Speaker 1: were going to get it. Yeah, he called it something

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Speaker 1: like this may have been in eleven Alive or it

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Speaker 1: may have been in W A. G A. But the

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Speaker 1: attorney said the case was a quote zoning issue that

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Speaker 1: has become criminalized. Yep, that's exactly what they said. And

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Speaker 1: we'll just have to keep a lookout. That's a we're

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Speaker 1: one to bring the table today. Guys. It's just that

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Speaker 1: headline really just stuck out to me so much that

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have this disc And I just wonder

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Speaker 1: you as you're you know, listening to this and reading

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Speaker 1: news every day, like I just wonder what you think

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Speaker 1: when you read some of the headlines and then you

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Speaker 1: delve into the story and find out what it's actually

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00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: about and what you do and you don't know, and

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00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: just how it makes you feel. We would love to

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Speaker 1: hear people don't even bother reading the below the headline,

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Speaker 1: you know, and in this case, it would be a

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Speaker 1: real disservice to everyone involved. I think also this brings

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Speaker 1: up a bigger issue. It's one that I I've been

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Speaker 1: thinking of as a as an episode for stuff they

914
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Speaker 1: want you to know for a long time, which is

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Speaker 1: the treatment of the elderly in this country especially. It

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Speaker 1: is it's very dark, you know what I mean. They're

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Speaker 1: in pre COVID, pre staff shortages and stuff. There were

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Speaker 1: there was some very terrible, unclean things going on, and

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Speaker 1: they were also very wonderful people who are trying their

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Speaker 1: best to help folks who needed help. The trouble is

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Speaker 1: that authorities often have a hard time figuring out which

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Speaker 1: institution is which, so this stuff doesn't have No matter

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Speaker 1: what happens with this case in Georgia, I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: there are probably many other similar situations happening right now

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Speaker 1: as we record. For sure. Uh yeah, Ben, we should

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Speaker 1: attack onto that episode. Those who are in need of

927
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Speaker 1: some kind of mental health support, but that support just

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore or it's been taken. All right, So

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Speaker 1: I guess that's it. Guys. Uh we we would love

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