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Speaker 1: Giants Podcast. Welcome to the newest edition of the Giant

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Speaker 1: Subtle Podcast. My name is John Schmilk. You recognize the

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Speaker 1: man with me here, a friend of the program joined

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Speaker 1: the one and only Charles davi Ors some NFL network Charles.

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Speaker 1: How are you man. I'm doing well, John. It's good

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Speaker 1: to hear your voice again. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad we got to see each other in

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Speaker 1: person at the Combine this year, which was nice. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: face to face conversations are always better, and now it's

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Speaker 1: good to have a longer conversation with you today before

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Speaker 1: part of NFL Networks coverage of the NFL Draft, which

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Speaker 1: takes place in just two weeks. Charles, we're getting there man,

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Speaker 1: from April the eighth to April thirty. If you will

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Speaker 1: he will be at the draft checking everything out. Uh So, Charles,

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Speaker 1: what's your feel now? You know we've heard a lot

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Speaker 1: How is your general thoughts about this draft evolved since

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Speaker 1: we've spoken, Indie, You've looked at more players and things

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Speaker 1: have happened around the league. Yeah, John, I think, as

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Speaker 1: usual with all the drafts that you and I have

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Speaker 1: basic that comes out of every draft, and it's that

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Speaker 1: and that is if there are quarterbacks at the top

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Speaker 1: that are truly Marquis, the sense is that, well, we

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Speaker 1: there aren't quarterbacks who are truly Marquis, people start questioning

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Speaker 1: the draft. I think this is an excellent draft overall,

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Speaker 1: but the quarterbacks are not Marquis. The quarterbacks are not

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Speaker 1: They could be down the road. You know, we haven't

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Speaker 1: always gotten it right. Russell Wilson was the third rounder,

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Speaker 1: we see those sorts of things. We all know. Tom

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Speaker 1: But it is unusual when you get your quarterback a

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Speaker 1: times people forget you can get them in the second round.

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Speaker 1: But Drid's much higher in the first part of it.

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Speaker 1: And in this year's draft, John, I think we've all

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Speaker 1: of course, road grade and run guy right, we have

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Speaker 1: seen where essentially we want to left tackles New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Think about how good they how well they've had it

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Speaker 1: over the years. Now that toront arms steads in Miami,

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Speaker 1: in toront Armstead, it left up, ron Ram check it

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Speaker 1: right down. After you were covered. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm

433
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Speaker 1: not talking about a role difference. I just mean musically

434
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Speaker 1: learning how to do it right now, you and I

435
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Speaker 1: are in the same spot. I'm not saying that you're not.

436
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying the overall these guys are getting better

437
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Speaker 1: training that way. I wonder I think the scouts would

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Speaker 1: be able to tell us, hey, how many reps did

439
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Speaker 1: he take it? Right? Tackle and practice at North Carolina State?

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of these coaches are doing now is

441
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Speaker 1: that they're doing these things to cross train them in

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Speaker 1: case injuries happen. This does it with an eye towards

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Speaker 1: this kid's pro future, giving him a few more reps

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Speaker 1: doing things he doesn't never normally do. People are doing

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Speaker 1: these sorts of things because it comes up in recruiting. Now.

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Speaker 1: You know, hey, if I want to get ready to

447
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Speaker 1: go to the NFL, are you gonna help me get ready?

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Speaker 1: So that's happening. But your point is a good one.

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Speaker 1: Neil would win that battle absolutely because we've seen him

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Speaker 1: do it. You would just have to convince yourself as

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Speaker 1: a team in an organization, do you think that Kuana

452
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Speaker 1: can do it or not? That's what it comes down to, alright.

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Speaker 1: So the Giants. Let's say they walk away with an

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle at five, and then they have a decision,

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Speaker 1: do we want to pick a pass rusher at seven?

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Speaker 1: Do we want to pick a cornerback at seven? And

457
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Speaker 1: then you start thinking, Charles, our grades are pretty even here.

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Speaker 1: Then you start thinking, all right, I'm picking a thirty six.

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Speaker 1: If you're a GM in this year's draft class, do

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Speaker 1: you feel better about that cornerback you might get a

461
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Speaker 1: thirty six or do you feel better about the defensive

462
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Speaker 1: end you might the edge pad, the edge rusher you

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Speaker 1: might get at thirty six? And who are some of

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Speaker 1: the names out you think might be in the mix

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Speaker 1: for you with those two spots in the second round.

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Speaker 1: I'm so old school that you know. Yeah, I need

467
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Speaker 1: the w D forty every day. Right, I'm gonna squeak

468
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Speaker 1: when I go by, so that pass rushers paramount for me. Now,

469
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Speaker 1: remember Greg Williams when he was DCT clearly, Remember the

470
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Speaker 1: year that they passed on Bradley Chub and took Denzel Ward.

471
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Speaker 1: Remember what Greg said Nowadays, the balls out of the

472
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Speaker 1: quarterback's hand so fast. I need to cover guy, maybe

473
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Speaker 1: a little bit more than I need the rush guy,

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Speaker 1: because the rush guy doesn't get there to impact it,

475
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Speaker 1: which is a very interesting thing. Mike Petton is a

476
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Speaker 1: defense coordinator. Green Bay told me we play the past first, now,

477
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Speaker 1: not the run, Like what what? What? What were we

478
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Speaker 1: doing here? But they're they're not wrong that that that's

479
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Speaker 1: a lot of where the game is going. So to me,

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Speaker 1: the pass rushers, even though there are a ton of

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Speaker 1: them in this draft, I want to get my best

482
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Speaker 1: pass rusher early. I think I can get better job.

483
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Speaker 1: I can do a better job getting a corner later.

484
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Speaker 1: That's where I would go. So if you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about some of those edge guys, go ahead. Now

486
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Speaker 1: are we talking about second round, top of the second round?

487
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Speaker 1: Now you're starting to talk about where's Nick Benito from

488
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma gonna go? You know, this guy's get incredible bend.

489
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Speaker 1: Can he come out? Can he come and get someone

490
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Speaker 1: for me? Does boy A Mafe make it to this

491
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Speaker 1: second round out of Minnesota type? He's right there in that.

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Speaker 1: Who's willing to wait for David Ojabo to get healthy

493
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Speaker 1: out of Michigan and how far do we go into

494
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Speaker 1: the second round with him? I hadn't been my first

495
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Speaker 1: round in my first mock draft because I gave him

496
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Speaker 1: the Tampa a team that pretty much has everything, and

497
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Speaker 1: you can afford to wait. But you and I both

498
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Speaker 1: know injury situation like this typically we get to the

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Speaker 1: second round. Who wants to wait for a job bo

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Speaker 1: and can't you make a return like cam Makers did

501
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Speaker 1: last year which was off the chart right? Well, I

502
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Speaker 1: mean none of us saw that was an achilles before. Um.

503
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Speaker 1: Drake Jackson from USC I think is on the he

504
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Speaker 1: was the guy guy that that that John When we

505
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Speaker 1: started this process last year, many were talking top ten

506
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Speaker 1: for him hasn't been quite as consistent to to merit that.

507
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Speaker 1: But I do think that he's starting to make a

508
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Speaker 1: move here as we get closer to the draft where

509
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Speaker 1: people are liking his skill set. Now we're getting into

510
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Speaker 1: the top of the second round of what we're saying, Okay,

511
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Speaker 1: now it starts to fit a little bit. Those are

512
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Speaker 1: some of the names that immediately come to mind from me,

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Speaker 1: because I still think Carl loft Is from Purdue is

514
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Speaker 1: going to go in the first round. Yeah, but if

515
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Speaker 1: somehow he manages a slip to the second round, that'd

516
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Speaker 1: be huge. How about corner at the top of that

517
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Speaker 1: second round, Charles, Let's say you get them the tackle

518
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Speaker 1: on the end of five and seventy that corner if

519
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Speaker 1: they have to let go Bradberry, whatever happens with him.

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Speaker 1: What kind of corners are you thinking about? There? Does

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Speaker 1: does McDuffie get there? Does Booth get there? Or you

522
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Speaker 1: have to go into that that that next tier, which

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Speaker 1: for me, then you're kind of, you know, closing your

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Speaker 1: eyes and rolling them bones a little bit. Yeah. See,

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Speaker 1: I don't think McDuffie and Booth get there I need

526
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Speaker 1: to do I I think they're both gone in the

527
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Speaker 1: first round. Kyler Norton comes to mind. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: How much zone is Wink gonna play? He's not? Okay,

529
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Speaker 1: then Nicago Brang's probably not his guy. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: the corner from Washington who I like a lot. But

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Speaker 1: he's much more to me a zone corner than he

532
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Speaker 1: is a man the man stack him up type of

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Speaker 1: the guy. His zone corner makes a lot of players

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Speaker 1: on the football, but he probably wouldn't be your guy.

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Speaker 1: There can kayer Lelim from Florida whose battle a few injuries,

536
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: but boys, he looked the part. Boys, he moved well.

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Speaker 1: He likely available. As we're starting to stop second he

538
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Speaker 1: could sneak into the first if there's a run, but

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Speaker 1: I think that he's likely to be available. Cam Taylor

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Speaker 1: Bred out of Nebraska. You know, he's starting to make

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Speaker 1: him make that physical type of a corner that you're

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Speaker 1: looking at. Roger McCreary Auburn. Does he make it to

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Speaker 1: the second round. I think there's a chance that he does.

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Speaker 1: These are the types of guys now that we're starting

545
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Speaker 1: to These are the names that are starting to come

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Speaker 1: off the board for you as we start gett into

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Speaker 1: that second round. Um Kobe Bryant from Cincinnati who played

548
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Speaker 1: opposite Sauce. I think he heard himself at the combine

549
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Speaker 1: with hw Iran, don't you, John, Because he had everything

550
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Speaker 1: you were looking for, all the credentials. Remember how many

551
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: plays came in his way because people were avoiding, you know,

552
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Speaker 1: Maud Gardener, and he did a great job holding up,

553
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Speaker 1: but they didn't run fast enough. I think that pushed

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Speaker 1: him probably to the third round. Don't miss your chance

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, let's hit that too. You can do tackles

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Speaker 1: or we want to stick with the interior. Maybe we'rend

562
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Speaker 1: assume the Giants gonna tackle at five and seven. I

563
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Speaker 1: think Zion's gone, Kenyan Green's gone, Linda Bombs gone. Right,

564
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Speaker 1: once you get past that group, who are some of

565
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Speaker 1: the center guards that you like in that? You know

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Speaker 1: Day two areas that that you think can provide and

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Speaker 1: plug and play value there as the Giants trying to

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Speaker 1: fill out an offensive lineman, really, you know they need

569
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Speaker 1: four long term answers. Next to Andrew Thomas, Mary Sawyer, Georgia.

570
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Speaker 1: Love that kid, Hey, great tape for his Michigan right.

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Speaker 1: Who oh, how about what he did in the SEC

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Speaker 1: Championship game remove positions during the game and plugged right

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Speaker 1: in and played. Did you get a chance to meet

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Speaker 1: him at all? John, I I did listen to him

575
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Speaker 1: at the combine. I didn't. I listened to his availability.

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Speaker 1: Just seems like a real solid guy man. Pretty impressive, right,

577
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Speaker 1: I mean I really was big on him. Um, it

578
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Speaker 1: would be interesting to see what Luke Gutti Key does

579
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: Getti Key from from Central Michigan because he's a tackle,

580
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: but I feel like he could move inside the guard

581
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Speaker 1: and be a good player and pretty quickly. I'm eager

582
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Speaker 1: to see where where people have him ranked and who

583
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Speaker 1: and how they have him scouted. That right, um, I

584
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Speaker 1: think now we're talking about is Sean Ryan from u

585
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Speaker 1: C l A who plays tackle. But you see that

586
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Speaker 1: frame on him, Dude, he looks like a guard. Man.

587
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Speaker 1: So you and I with our eyes, I mean, I

588
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: was like, is that what do you mean? He's a tackle?

589
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: He looks like I mean that big? Oh man, that dude,

590
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: he felt like a block of ground. And man, he's

591
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Speaker 1: a tank. Absolutely is I think it? See this Smith

592
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Speaker 1: from Virginia attack. I watched some more tape on him

593
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Speaker 1: last night. Former tight end moved inside, okay, And I'm

594
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Speaker 1: gonna give you one a center who can play guard.

595
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Speaker 1: Former tight end from Memphis State, Dylan Palm. I love Palm.

596
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Speaker 1: He he's an athlete, man, he can move. Athlete, Okay,

597
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Speaker 1: move get to the second level. To me, he reminds

598
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Speaker 1: me of where we are with our centers nowadays, what

599
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Speaker 1: we saw with Creed Humphrey last year, what we've seen

600
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Speaker 1: for years with Jason Kelsey, with Corey Linsley with where

601
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Speaker 1: I need how many years? If we say those guys

602
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Speaker 1: are kind of undersized and every year they're going to

603
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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. School talk about Mark Stepanovski back in

604
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Speaker 1: the only nineties. If you want these guys all move

605
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Speaker 1: play well. Josh Meyers from from from Ohio State came

606
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Speaker 1: out and went to Green Bay like that last year.

607
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: They're not all built like Nick Mangold now because you

608
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Speaker 1: remember how big Nick was. That's just a whole different

609
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: ball game. But those are some of the guys that

610
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Speaker 1: I would take a good hard look at. Yeah, all right,

611
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: last to give me a couple of year day three

612
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Speaker 1: pet cats. Who are the guys that Charles Davis says,

613
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Speaker 1: I love this guy. The league might not pick him

614
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Speaker 1: in the top one, but man, I love this guy.

615
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a good NFL player. Give me a

616
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Speaker 1: few names. Okay, Kyle Dugger went to Lenora Rhyan. Right,

617
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: so now scouts actually know where Lenor Ryan. Okay, they've

618
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Speaker 1: got a receiver name, Drek Young has come out Lenoris

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Speaker 1: Ryan this year, who's like six three two pounds, rounds

620
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Speaker 1: four four one jumps out of the gym, the whole deal.

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Speaker 1: And when you watch his tape, it's interesting because their

622
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Speaker 1: offense changed from time to time. At one point they

623
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Speaker 1: were pro style, then they went to like, uh, Delaware

624
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: wing tea, then they came back to some more pro style.

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Speaker 1: I've got him on tape lining up in line and

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Speaker 1: blocking people on the line of scrimmage. I've got in

627
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Speaker 1: mind tape on the jet sweeps, turning the corner and

628
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Speaker 1: dropping shoulders on people. I've got in myn tape running

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Speaker 1: routes down field. Now, what I don't see enough of

630
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Speaker 1: John is contested catches because he's so physically dominant in

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Speaker 1: Division two that most of the time he's wide over.

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Speaker 1: I mean there, okay, but he's a guy that by

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Speaker 1: day three and he started to look down the line,

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Speaker 1: he's I'm telling you, I kind of kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: I hate to use turn fall and love. I've fallen

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Speaker 1: over with too many guys, right, I'm the guy everyone's

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Speaker 1: mad at because well, you told me you love me,

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Speaker 1: you know. You know, he's one of those guys that

639
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Speaker 1: I think is like that that that down the road.

640
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna really like what I see out of him

641
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: and want to have a little bit more of a conversation. Look,

642
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a linebacker named Malcolm rod Reguez

643
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma State. Third day guy. His background, I think

644
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: you already know it, right, high school quarterback. I'm not

645
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: sure they lost very many games. Okay, high school wrestler,

646
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: multiple time state champion. Makes play after play after play

647
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: after play after play, tackle by Rodriguez, tackle by Rodriguez.

648
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna go ight in course, special teams guy, right

649
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: out of the gate, and over time you may find

650
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: your way to work him into the lineup. Those are

651
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: a couple I'll give you. I don't know how many

652
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: more you want me to give you, but those are

653
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: a couple right out of the gate that really I

654
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: like a lot. Okay, And if you're ever in the

655
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: market for a safety, I tell everybody all the time,

656
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: not late in the draft, you better get him early.

657
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie from Baylor. I I'm just telling you, I

658
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: think you you know me. When I put a stamp

659
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: on I really I try to. I try to hang

660
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: in there on him. This kid, Tyron Matthews, the patron

661
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: saint of Ben stinks right. He's been followed up by

662
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield has been followed up Bylijah Molden. I think

663
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: this year's edition is Jalen Petrie. Dude, that guy can

664
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: cover too. Man like you wanta line like you talk

665
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: about not putting kind of hamils in the slot. You

666
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: want to put Petreona receiver in the slot. You're good

667
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: the The only the only worry I have with him

668
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: is sometimes you can get a little overwhelmed with a

669
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: sizeable tight end. Yeah, you can't cover. You can't have

670
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: every matchup covered all the time. And by the way,

671
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: they'll be times where he'll slip that tight end and

672
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: beat him with his own speed and still make the play.

673
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: So he's not gonna get overwhelmed on every snap, but

674
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: you will see it on tape. Some of those plus

675
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: size tight ends kind of box him off. Occasionally. That

676
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: happens to a lot of guys. But this kid, I'm

677
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: with you. Dropp him in, play him with nicol safety,

678
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: and off you go. How do you compare him to

679
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Dax Hill, because I think the kind of similar right

680
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: feels faster Dax Hills faster. Dax Hill is a legit.

681
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: He looks like a slot corner to me, not a

682
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: same Absolutely, absolutely and that's why he might sneak into

683
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: the first round because us Dax Hill, you can play

684
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: as safety, absolutely, but I think you're also talking about

685
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: in passing situations, you want more speed on the field.

686
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: Dax Hill provides that all day long, and twice on Sunday.

687
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: He can flat out go. I'm with you. He's much

688
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: more of a nickel corner and some people draft him

689
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: strictly to play that, and we all know nowadays nickel

690
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: corner is a starter in the NFL. You're on the

691
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: field the snats, so he would be there. Yeah, Hill's faster. Okay,

692
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: Petrie instincts, I'm never going away from that where the

693
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: ball is. It's kind of like that watching an old

694
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: movie where the bouncing ball took you to the lyrics

695
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: of the song. Just follow the balancing ball, and that's

696
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie right to where the actual ball is and

697
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: that's where the player will be made. But Dax Hill,

698
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Dax Hill can flat out go all right. Final question,

699
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it a little tougher. I'm not gonna

700
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: just make you give the Giants at five and seven.

701
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you go thirty six to give me.

702
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: You can either call it your best case scenario, your prediction.

703
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: However you want to take it for the giants, how

704
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: would you feel good about it? Coming and out of five,

705
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: seven and thirty six? Five and at five. I want

706
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: one of those two tackles. I want Neil or I

707
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: want to Quana. If I get either one of them,

708
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: I start my happy dance. But I do realize that

709
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: seven I can come back, and somehow if Cavon Thibodel

710
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: slides boom, I go get him. I think he had

711
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: the right structure in place to write people around. He

712
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: would be terrific, opposite as these ogilari. And then I

713
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: come back at what thirty seven? You said, thirty six?

714
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: Come back at thirty six? Heck, is there a chance

715
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green has just moved his way down? If it is,

716
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: you run the car now. He doesn't get into the

717
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: first round, because I think he was the guy John

718
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: when we went to Indianapolis where it was kind of

719
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: a lock deal. I think people walked through Indianapolis struggled

720
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: a little bit with some of the combine stuff they saw.

721
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: So I went back to the tape and said, oh yeah,

722
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: I forget that. This gotta you flat out play, so

723
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: that that that scenario I would be extremely happy with

724
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: if I were if I were the Giants, Oh, no question,

725
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: How cute do you get Charles at six with the Panthers?

726
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: You the Giants had to try to predict what the

727
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: Panthers might do at six when they think they're picking five,

728
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: you just pick the best guy. Were you trying to

729
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: predict who the Panthers might pick and then wait and

730
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: you know you know how it goes. I would I

731
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: wouldn't mess around with it because the Panthers are also

732
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: offensive tackle needy exactly because we're just because we're predicting

733
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: that they're going to go desperation a little bit predict quarterback.

734
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that's what Scott Bitter the GM is

735
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: going to do. He may have a whole different thought

736
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: process on it. So I'm not tackled. I'm not getting

737
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: cute with them at all now, not one bit. I

738
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: am going and getting the guy that I want right there.

739
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm not playing any games because all of a sudden,

740
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: you play that game and then you hear and with

741
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: the six pick the Carolina Panthers select, and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

742
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: whoa that one how the game was supposed to be playing.

743
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: It's Scott, what are you doing? And then then you're

744
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: mad at yourself. Yeah, you don't want to replay the

745
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: Davante Smith incident from last year's track, not at all

746
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: on that. And I will tell you this, I'm really

747
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: eager to see what happens with Jermaine Johnson the past

748
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: rushing from Florida State because I I mocked him in

749
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: at seven with you guys on my first one. But

750
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: he can fit anywhere that high all the way through

751
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: the end of the first round Charles and I am

752
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: I crazy for that's where all that is going right now?

753
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: John There's a lot of discussion about exactly where does

754
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: he fit. Some people think it's too rich at seven,

755
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: Some people like it, they're some people really think he's

756
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: much more when we start to get into the twenties.

757
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be an interesting conversation. Am I

758
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: crazy and out of my mind for liking his tape

759
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: better than Travon Walker's? I might not know, you're not

760
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: because you saw him getting to do things that Travon

761
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: and Walker did not get to do right off the

762
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: edge right see Travon Walker and Georgia. You saw when

763
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: you plugged in the tape, how many times you see

764
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: Jravon Walker occupying people and the Kobe dan Quay Quay

765
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: Walker and and and and Channing Tindall were just cleaning up.

766
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: He was too capping right? How many times? How many

767
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: times did you see him slant twist, stunt, eat up

768
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: one or two and here here and here comes the

769
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: linebacker crushes somebody. Now he will need I'm talking about

770
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Trey Von Walker. He will need to add to his

771
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: pass rush arsenal. He played in tight a lot of

772
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: the time. But how about him pass rushing inside. He's

773
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: already there because he's done all the way from me.

774
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: I think he's a three tec in a four three man.

775
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: He's already there. And if you move him inside there

776
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: and those padding, nose, sub and nickel packages, he's already

777
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: gat us the edge stuff. He'll need some extra work on.

778
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson, he's been doing the edge stuff. That's that's

779
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: why getting away from Georgia was huge for him because

780
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: now he's full time on the field and he's doing

781
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: what he does best, down in and down out. At Georgia,

782
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: everybody acts like he never played at Georgia. That wasn't

783
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: true his rotational system. He went to some place where

784
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: gonna get full time work. Not as much success by

785
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: any stretch of imagination, but his development as a pass

786
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: rusher aided by him be going to Tallahasset. For the

787
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: folks that don't know, Charles is a New York guy's

788
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: rocking the New Paul's hat for New Paul's New York,

789
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: I always give you a chance. I appreciate for New Paul's.

790
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: What do you got go? You cannot skettle love? It

791
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: is funny. John. I was on a show yesterday on

792
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: Series X in NFL Radio. Was that sound like? It

793
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm name draw sorry about that? And a

794
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: young man called in and told me he's a graduate

795
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: of New Paul Tie nineteen ninety six and was asking

796
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: a question, Now, how great of a day did I

797
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: have on that? One? The best? That's the best. I'll

798
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: make all that better than that. And don't forget to

799
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: tell my guy, Scott Pioli, those Washington bill Wizzards were

800
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: awfully good. But you know we should have met on

801
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: a neutral field in nineteen eighties. That's all I'm saying.

802
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: Neutralities of Upstate New York football are endless. Always Team Scott.

803
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, we could have met on

804
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: neutral field. You guys don't want to come out of

805
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: Orange County. I'll know what to tell you. Charles always

806
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: great to talk to man again. You'll see him on

807
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: NFL Networks covers to the Draft from April aprile thirties

808
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: from Vegas h He mentioned his work on Serious x M.

809
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: You can find his mock draft on NFL dot Com.

810
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: Anything I missed, Charles, anything else you up to do

811
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: that I should hit? Are you good? Well? There should

812
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: be an article coming up in the next day or

813
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: so where I I talk about guys I pound the table.

814
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: For last year, we had seventeen of them. Luckily enough,

815
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: fourteen of them were drafted, the other two went to

816
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: camps and one last one didn't go didn't didn't go anywhere.

817
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: But he's got a chance to come back this year.

818
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: So these are guys I believe And it's not necessarily

819
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: all day one. Guy's's day one. All the way through

820
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: people I believe in. They're gonna be NFL players this year.

821
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: We should have twelve or thirteen of those guys coming up.

822
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: So looking forward to that. A second mock draft coming

823
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: out early next week, I believe, and then the week

824
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: of the draft will be my last mock draft, probably

825
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: Wednesday before Draft Dack. Get those mocks rolling. It's mock

826
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: draft season. Charles, always great to talk to men. Thanks

827
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: so much. I appreciate the extra time. I was really

828
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna rap ten minutes ago. We just had a great conversation,

829
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: just kept going. Man, I appreciate a brother. Be good.

830
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: It always it always happens like that with you, because

831
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: you are terrific at what you do and I can

832
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: never thank you enough for how great you are with me.

833
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Charles, You're some more you do that.

834
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: That's why we love to have you on. Man. We

835
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it. That's another episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast.

836
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: You think, Charles Davis, you're joining us. We'll see you

837
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: next time on the Giants Mobile at and on podcast

838
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: platforms everywhere.