1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:14,685 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Okay, so it's the late eighties and 2 00:00:14,765 --> 00:00:18,565 Speaker 1: the Reagan's new minimum drug sentencing laws are in place, 3 00:00:18,965 --> 00:00:22,005 Speaker 1: and the nation is swept up in an anti drug 4 00:00:22,165 --> 00:00:25,965 Speaker 1: just Say No fever. Thanks to First Lady Nancy Reagan, 5 00:00:27,045 --> 00:00:31,845 Speaker 1: my pot smuggler dad has experienced his biggest smuggling success 6 00:00:31,845 --> 00:00:34,805 Speaker 1: followed by the biggest rip off of his career. So far, 7 00:00:35,685 --> 00:00:39,605 Speaker 1: He's doing primarily smaller local deals and fruitlessly waiting for 8 00:00:39,645 --> 00:00:43,325 Speaker 1: the Green Beret grifterer to clean and return Dad's foolishly 9 00:00:43,485 --> 00:00:48,365 Speaker 1: entrusted money. I'm headed towards high school and into the 10 00:00:48,445 --> 00:00:51,525 Speaker 1: rhythmics the Indigo Girls in comedy, watching a lot of 11 00:00:51,565 --> 00:00:54,725 Speaker 1: old Saturday Night Live with Gilda Belushi and the Cone Heads. 12 00:00:55,365 --> 00:00:59,045 Speaker 1: At the same time, my mom's friend's family gets into 13 00:00:59,085 --> 00:01:04,245 Speaker 1: a smuggling trip that goes terribly wrong. My parents had 14 00:01:04,245 --> 00:01:07,325 Speaker 1: a good friend younger than them who were calling the kid. 15 00:01:08,005 --> 00:01:10,245 Speaker 1: He was a carpenter and built my dad a custom 16 00:01:10,325 --> 00:01:13,485 Speaker 1: case for his pot weighing scales, which my dad used 17 00:01:13,485 --> 00:01:16,965 Speaker 1: to carry the scales in for local deals. Well, in 18 00:01:17,045 --> 00:01:20,325 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, the kid and his brother, mister High 19 00:01:20,725 --> 00:01:24,085 Speaker 1: get busted bringing in thousands of pounds of pot via 20 00:01:24,125 --> 00:01:28,565 Speaker 1: Oregon's Columbia River. The kid calls my dad in a panic. 21 00:01:29,005 --> 00:01:32,325 Speaker 1: His brother's been busted, headed to prison, and instead of 22 00:01:32,445 --> 00:01:35,245 Speaker 1: joining his brother in prison, the kid's going to flee 23 00:01:35,365 --> 00:01:40,645 Speaker 1: the country with his wife and child. So the sister 24 00:01:40,805 --> 00:01:44,325 Speaker 1: of these busted brothers lived across the street from the 25 00:01:44,325 --> 00:01:47,045 Speaker 1: house I was born in. Remember that hippote hobbity house 26 00:01:47,045 --> 00:01:50,765 Speaker 1: with a secret room. So I've known the sister of 27 00:01:50,765 --> 00:01:53,605 Speaker 1: the busted brothers my whole life. She's in the rock 28 00:01:53,645 --> 00:01:56,045 Speaker 1: and roll industry, and I went to school with her kids. 29 00:01:57,085 --> 00:01:59,725 Speaker 1: Like the rest of the family friends I've recently discovered 30 00:01:59,725 --> 00:02:03,365 Speaker 1: were also smugglers. Had no idea that this former neighbor 31 00:02:03,445 --> 00:02:06,845 Speaker 1: and mother of my school friends was also involved in 32 00:02:06,925 --> 00:02:12,685 Speaker 1: pot smuggling, albeit peripherally. We'll call her Grandma Bella because today, 33 00:02:12,805 --> 00:02:16,045 Speaker 1: after years of working in San Francisco's rock and roll industry, 34 00:02:16,445 --> 00:02:20,045 Speaker 1: her favorite job as being a grandma. As her grandchildren 35 00:02:20,125 --> 00:02:22,965 Speaker 1: romped in the garden, I spoke to Grandma Bella about 36 00:02:22,965 --> 00:02:28,005 Speaker 1: the abrupt and catastrophic finale to her brother's pot smuggling careers. 37 00:02:29,605 --> 00:02:33,325 Speaker 1: In today's episode, we learn about the traumatic, real life 38 00:02:33,405 --> 00:02:38,245 Speaker 1: ramifications of the Reagan administration's drug laws as more smugglers 39 00:02:38,285 --> 00:02:41,605 Speaker 1: in our family circle were sent to prison or fled 40 00:02:41,645 --> 00:02:46,685 Speaker 1: the country. I'm Rainbow Valentine and this is disorganized crime 41 00:02:46,885 --> 00:03:16,965 Speaker 1: smuggler's daughter and grooving far country boden Gan State making 42 00:03:17,085 --> 00:03:31,685 Speaker 1: it up. As part of this podcast is the history 43 00:03:31,685 --> 00:03:33,565 Speaker 1: and the laws changing and what happens. So it's the 44 00:03:33,605 --> 00:03:36,845 Speaker 1: eighties that the law had just changed two months earlier, 45 00:03:37,285 --> 00:03:40,565 Speaker 1: and with my mom talking to Grandma Bella. Grandma Bella 46 00:03:40,685 --> 00:03:43,885 Speaker 1: is my mom's friend whose two brothers were busted smuggling 47 00:03:43,925 --> 00:03:48,925 Speaker 1: afghany pot into Oregon via the Columbia River. They had 48 00:03:48,965 --> 00:03:51,685 Speaker 1: it all set up. It was a boat on the 49 00:03:51,725 --> 00:03:55,765 Speaker 1: Columbia River, and that was when paranoid sisters said, are 50 00:03:55,805 --> 00:03:58,005 Speaker 1: you sure you should be doing this? With a new 51 00:03:58,085 --> 00:04:01,845 Speaker 1: drug plaw changes and then my only applies to cold 52 00:04:01,965 --> 00:04:06,645 Speaker 1: So all these guys who've been dealing in bat for 53 00:04:06,685 --> 00:04:09,605 Speaker 1: all these years thought that it was nothing and that 54 00:04:09,765 --> 00:04:12,205 Speaker 1: only the crack people and so forth we're going to 55 00:04:12,245 --> 00:04:15,605 Speaker 1: be getting in trouble. A drug bust is the seizure 56 00:04:15,685 --> 00:04:19,765 Speaker 1: of illegal drugs by law enforcement. And after this bust, 57 00:04:20,165 --> 00:04:23,165 Speaker 1: Grandma Bella's role is to get her mom out of 58 00:04:23,205 --> 00:04:26,605 Speaker 1: Portland and bring her back to Mill Valley. Her mom 59 00:04:26,645 --> 00:04:29,245 Speaker 1: was staying in a rental apartment used as a safe 60 00:04:29,245 --> 00:04:32,245 Speaker 1: house for the trip, which means the apartment was filled 61 00:04:32,245 --> 00:04:36,845 Speaker 1: with all sorts of evidence of the trip, including paraphernalia, receipts, 62 00:04:36,885 --> 00:04:41,045 Speaker 1: and so much more. And whoever rents the safe house 63 00:04:41,285 --> 00:04:44,485 Speaker 1: could also go to prison for five to ten years. 64 00:04:45,525 --> 00:04:48,605 Speaker 1: The last thing Grandma Bella wants is for her senior 65 00:04:48,725 --> 00:04:52,085 Speaker 1: citizen mom to join the rest of the family in prison. 66 00:04:52,765 --> 00:04:56,965 Speaker 1: My mother to Portland and used her house, her apartment 67 00:04:57,525 --> 00:05:00,925 Speaker 1: as a meeting place. So my mother's apartment is full 68 00:05:00,965 --> 00:05:05,285 Speaker 1: of all this name of the boat stuff and just 69 00:05:05,525 --> 00:05:07,965 Speaker 1: do you name it? So my mom is kind of clueless. 70 00:05:08,005 --> 00:05:12,725 Speaker 1: She thinks it's cool because she smokes pot, doesn't think 71 00:05:12,765 --> 00:05:16,405 Speaker 1: anything of it, and she thinks that it's a wild ride. 72 00:05:16,445 --> 00:05:19,325 Speaker 1: And before by the time I see her again, she's 73 00:05:19,365 --> 00:05:23,765 Speaker 1: talking like a pot dealer. Grandmabella's mom is defiantly resisting 74 00:05:23,885 --> 00:05:27,405 Speaker 1: moving back down to Mill Valley. She has no idea 75 00:05:27,485 --> 00:05:30,445 Speaker 1: that she's in jeopardy of being busted as well, and 76 00:05:30,525 --> 00:05:34,285 Speaker 1: she's being totally uncooperative against her will. We're packing her up, 77 00:05:34,325 --> 00:05:37,325 Speaker 1: and I'm determined that we're going to get every single 78 00:05:37,365 --> 00:05:40,485 Speaker 1: thing out. So I'm going through books. Sure enough, there'd 79 00:05:40,525 --> 00:05:42,965 Speaker 1: be a plane ticket, all this kind of stuff. And 80 00:05:43,045 --> 00:05:49,005 Speaker 1: she's mad at meanwhile, and so I made my sister 81 00:05:49,125 --> 00:05:52,285 Speaker 1: and my sister in law stamp all night. I'm like, no, 82 00:05:52,485 --> 00:05:54,605 Speaker 1: you're not going to bed. Nobody's going to bed. So 83 00:05:54,765 --> 00:05:59,565 Speaker 1: this is clean, and I mean clean. I just was 84 00:05:59,885 --> 00:06:03,005 Speaker 1: petrified from my mother. So we get it all done. 85 00:06:03,125 --> 00:06:06,005 Speaker 1: We've got everything ready. The guy with the from Mill 86 00:06:06,085 --> 00:06:09,325 Speaker 1: Valley has arrived, ready to take her stuff. And by 87 00:06:09,365 --> 00:06:12,205 Speaker 1: that time I've sort of got her convinced you've got 88 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:14,445 Speaker 1: to leave. Mom. She goes, oh, wait a bite. There 89 00:06:14,525 --> 00:06:16,645 Speaker 1: is one more space that we forgot to get to him. 90 00:06:16,725 --> 00:06:21,325 Speaker 1: Right outside her apartment is a storage area. So we 91 00:06:21,445 --> 00:06:23,845 Speaker 1: go outside to the storage area and none of us 92 00:06:23,845 --> 00:06:26,525 Speaker 1: are tall enough to get the stuff. So this guy 93 00:06:27,165 --> 00:06:32,645 Speaker 1: from upstairs, her friend, comes down and down falls this 94 00:06:32,725 --> 00:06:37,765 Speaker 1: big thing of rifles, yep, rifles, and possessing these rifles 95 00:06:37,845 --> 00:06:41,245 Speaker 1: could add nine years to the sentence of anyone who 96 00:06:41,285 --> 00:06:45,645 Speaker 1: had just gotten busted, which could be almost twenty years 97 00:06:45,805 --> 00:06:48,685 Speaker 1: in prison. And they all have the name of the 98 00:06:48,685 --> 00:06:56,605 Speaker 1: boat up gets funny, Hey, this is what I'm talking about. 99 00:06:56,685 --> 00:07:01,005 Speaker 1: So they're antique guns. And the reason that they are 100 00:07:01,085 --> 00:07:04,805 Speaker 1: not on the boat is because they got rid of them. 101 00:07:04,805 --> 00:07:06,205 Speaker 1: But they didn't want to get rid of them because 102 00:07:06,205 --> 00:07:09,845 Speaker 1: they're value. The first thing is I said, gotta get 103 00:07:09,965 --> 00:07:12,685 Speaker 1: rid of these, mom, so you gotta do it. Ill 104 00:07:12,765 --> 00:07:14,805 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. Why the hell should I 105 00:07:14,845 --> 00:07:17,205 Speaker 1: have to do it. I didn't make this miss And 106 00:07:17,285 --> 00:07:19,645 Speaker 1: the guy who's supposed to be driving her stuff back goes, 107 00:07:19,685 --> 00:07:22,925 Speaker 1: I'll take them, Like your idiot, you can't take them. 108 00:07:23,485 --> 00:07:25,805 Speaker 1: They're part of a crime thing. You want to go 109 00:07:25,845 --> 00:07:28,485 Speaker 1: to jail. He's like, well, they're really good. What are 110 00:07:28,485 --> 00:07:31,765 Speaker 1: you gonna do it for? Like, I don't know, but 111 00:07:31,925 --> 00:07:34,285 Speaker 1: my mom is gonna get rid of them. You're gonna 112 00:07:34,325 --> 00:07:37,165 Speaker 1: drive her and she's gonna find she knows the area. 113 00:07:37,325 --> 00:07:41,245 Speaker 1: I don't. So they finally come back a few hours 114 00:07:41,325 --> 00:07:44,565 Speaker 1: later and I go, great, where'd you put them? She goes, well, 115 00:07:45,525 --> 00:07:49,885 Speaker 1: we just couldn't find any place satisfactory. So and so 116 00:07:49,965 --> 00:07:54,165 Speaker 1: we put them in somebody's backyard under a log, under 117 00:07:54,205 --> 00:07:57,645 Speaker 1: a log. It's just what Yeah? And I said, my mother, 118 00:07:58,445 --> 00:08:02,765 Speaker 1: what if the people have children? What if those guns 119 00:08:02,765 --> 00:08:06,125 Speaker 1: are loaded? Did you check them? No? I didn't want 120 00:08:06,125 --> 00:08:09,525 Speaker 1: to touch that, But Mom, what if somebody gets killed 121 00:08:09,525 --> 00:08:12,085 Speaker 1: as a result of this? You can't leave them there? 122 00:08:12,085 --> 00:08:15,245 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? All right, let's go. So Grandma Bella 123 00:08:15,325 --> 00:08:17,925 Speaker 1: and her mom rent a car to retrieve the guns 124 00:08:18,125 --> 00:08:22,805 Speaker 1: from under the log, but unfortunately her mom forgets where 125 00:08:22,805 --> 00:08:26,765 Speaker 1: the log is. I mean, Portland is an especially log 126 00:08:26,925 --> 00:08:31,205 Speaker 1: abundant city. Numerous times I said, Mom, I see over 127 00:08:31,245 --> 00:08:35,405 Speaker 1: there that there's another thoroughfare, another avenue. Are you sure 128 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:38,285 Speaker 1: you weren't on that avenue? What do you think I'm 129 00:08:38,285 --> 00:08:40,325 Speaker 1: an idiot? Of course I was, and I tell you 130 00:08:40,365 --> 00:08:44,685 Speaker 1: if I were, they're on this avenue. So finally, after 131 00:08:44,765 --> 00:08:47,485 Speaker 1: we don't find them for hours, I go over to 132 00:08:47,565 --> 00:08:49,765 Speaker 1: the other avenue and we find them right off the bat. 133 00:08:50,885 --> 00:08:53,725 Speaker 1: Now I'm really ready to kill her. The next task 134 00:08:53,885 --> 00:08:56,885 Speaker 1: is to figure out where to put the guns, and 135 00:08:57,005 --> 00:09:00,285 Speaker 1: Grandma Bella decides to bury them in a hole in 136 00:09:00,365 --> 00:09:03,725 Speaker 1: some back road in rural Oregon, lush with forests and 137 00:09:03,805 --> 00:09:07,245 Speaker 1: BlackBerry brambles. We found plenty of deep poles. But the 138 00:09:07,365 --> 00:09:10,685 Speaker 1: problem is every time we pull over to drop them, 139 00:09:10,725 --> 00:09:13,605 Speaker 1: another car would go by. Who would then have seen 140 00:09:13,685 --> 00:09:17,765 Speaker 1: our car and be and you holding rifles? Yeah? How 141 00:09:17,805 --> 00:09:21,365 Speaker 1: can it be so difficult, and the movies it always 142 00:09:21,365 --> 00:09:24,525 Speaker 1: looks like, oh, we're just gonna throw his body overboard. 143 00:09:25,165 --> 00:09:27,645 Speaker 1: Everything's fine, And I was just so. We get all 144 00:09:27,645 --> 00:09:30,325 Speaker 1: the way back to Portland where we'd started from, and 145 00:09:30,405 --> 00:09:35,005 Speaker 1: we still have the damned bag of let's run the 146 00:09:35,125 --> 00:09:39,685 Speaker 1: la car. So we we end up finding, yes, an 147 00:09:39,685 --> 00:09:43,765 Speaker 1: industrial area that is nothing industrial and throwing them in 148 00:09:43,845 --> 00:09:52,005 Speaker 1: a you know, the dubster. Stressed, exhausted, and cranky, Grandma 149 00:09:52,045 --> 00:09:54,365 Speaker 1: Bella and her mom fight all the way back to 150 00:09:54,445 --> 00:09:56,965 Speaker 1: a motel where they meet with the rest of the 151 00:09:57,045 --> 00:10:03,725 Speaker 1: family to determine their next move. Now, the bust happened 152 00:10:03,805 --> 00:10:07,285 Speaker 1: the day before. Grandma Bella he's cleaning out her mom's apartment. 153 00:10:07,925 --> 00:10:11,085 Speaker 1: She explained to us what happened. The ship previously used 154 00:10:11,085 --> 00:10:14,245 Speaker 1: for research but converted and they were to meet out 155 00:10:14,285 --> 00:10:17,925 Speaker 1: in the middle of the ocean somewhere and exchange money 156 00:10:18,525 --> 00:10:24,045 Speaker 1: per hash And I'm nervous, but I think, well, they're 157 00:10:24,085 --> 00:10:27,285 Speaker 1: also smart, and they hired this guy who's was a 158 00:10:27,325 --> 00:10:31,245 Speaker 1: professor of drama at some university to be the captain 159 00:10:31,325 --> 00:10:35,245 Speaker 1: of the ship, and he's a smart guy. They're all hippies. 160 00:10:35,725 --> 00:10:38,805 Speaker 1: I just need to echo, Grandma Bella. These smugglers hired 161 00:10:38,845 --> 00:10:43,205 Speaker 1: a hippie drama teacher to be the ship captain, absurd. 162 00:10:43,605 --> 00:10:46,885 Speaker 1: The way they got arrested was there was too much 163 00:10:46,925 --> 00:10:50,285 Speaker 1: of the product, which means when the boat came back 164 00:10:50,325 --> 00:10:54,565 Speaker 1: to shore they had to spend three days making extra containers. 165 00:10:55,165 --> 00:10:58,805 Speaker 1: And my brother who got caught, had to rent a truck, 166 00:10:58,965 --> 00:11:02,845 Speaker 1: an extra flatbed truck. He put it his own name 167 00:11:02,925 --> 00:11:06,165 Speaker 1: in his own credit guard who was terrible as a smuggler. 168 00:11:06,205 --> 00:11:10,205 Speaker 1: I'm telling you now, this is absolutely taboo in smuggling. 169 00:11:10,845 --> 00:11:15,485 Speaker 1: Never use your real name. He knew that they were 170 00:11:15,525 --> 00:11:18,565 Speaker 1: following him when he pulled out, and the way they 171 00:11:18,565 --> 00:11:22,125 Speaker 1: had gotten caught was the DA and some customs officials 172 00:11:22,125 --> 00:11:25,165 Speaker 1: and somebody else were coming into port. They saw the 173 00:11:25,205 --> 00:11:28,045 Speaker 1: boat and the custom guy because I bet you that's 174 00:11:28,085 --> 00:11:31,725 Speaker 1: a smuggler boat, and the other one said, nah, it's 175 00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:34,925 Speaker 1: just a research ship. So they took a little bit 176 00:11:35,165 --> 00:11:38,885 Speaker 1: and they watched it, and my brother said, you know, 177 00:11:38,925 --> 00:11:42,205 Speaker 1: they were following him. He didn't know what to do. 178 00:11:42,325 --> 00:11:46,285 Speaker 1: This is mister high. He had millions of dollars worth 179 00:11:46,285 --> 00:11:48,885 Speaker 1: of stuff in the back of the truck that he 180 00:11:49,005 --> 00:11:52,405 Speaker 1: felt he was responsible for, because he said, if it 181 00:11:52,405 --> 00:11:55,045 Speaker 1: weren't for that, I would have driven a truck into 182 00:11:55,085 --> 00:11:59,405 Speaker 1: the bay, into the ocean and taken my chances. He 183 00:11:59,525 --> 00:12:03,005 Speaker 1: pulled over at a truck stop, and he kept trying 184 00:12:03,005 --> 00:12:05,885 Speaker 1: to get a hold of the other brother. He couldn't 185 00:12:05,885 --> 00:12:07,325 Speaker 1: get a hold of him. And then one of the 186 00:12:07,365 --> 00:12:09,885 Speaker 1: guys came over and said, don't you think this has 187 00:12:09,965 --> 00:12:13,485 Speaker 1: gone on long enough? And my brother said, yeah, late eighties, 188 00:12:13,725 --> 00:12:15,565 Speaker 1: And so he went out to the truck and he 189 00:12:15,685 --> 00:12:18,605 Speaker 1: gave them permission to search, which he shouldn't have done. 190 00:12:18,605 --> 00:12:21,165 Speaker 1: Oh God, but they would have just gotten it. He 191 00:12:21,365 --> 00:12:25,765 Speaker 1: just was sick of it too. Now. Grandma Bella's young brother, 192 00:12:25,965 --> 00:12:29,045 Speaker 1: my dad's friend who built him a customed scale carry case. 193 00:12:29,285 --> 00:12:32,725 Speaker 1: The kid was not on the ship when the DA 194 00:12:32,885 --> 00:12:36,725 Speaker 1: busted everyone. The kid and the rest of the family 195 00:12:36,765 --> 00:12:40,125 Speaker 1: were at the motel trying to figure out what to do. 196 00:12:41,165 --> 00:12:44,365 Speaker 1: And that's when the kid decides to flee with his 197 00:12:44,485 --> 00:12:50,325 Speaker 1: wife and kids to Central America. Meanwhile, Grandma Bella's family 198 00:12:50,365 --> 00:12:54,045 Speaker 1: bonded together to try and help her older brother, mister High, 199 00:12:54,725 --> 00:13:00,685 Speaker 1: with his impending trial. We hired a lawyer, we took 200 00:13:00,685 --> 00:13:03,525 Speaker 1: out a huge amount of money on our house to 201 00:13:03,645 --> 00:13:06,445 Speaker 1: pay for it, and his wife was going to pay 202 00:13:06,525 --> 00:13:09,325 Speaker 1: us back when she sold her house, but instead they 203 00:13:09,405 --> 00:13:12,525 Speaker 1: seized her house, even though it had nothing to do 204 00:13:12,685 --> 00:13:16,605 Speaker 1: with the bust man. They'll get anything they can, so 205 00:13:16,725 --> 00:13:20,525 Speaker 1: we went into debt just like and I learned that 206 00:13:20,605 --> 00:13:23,485 Speaker 1: it is your business what your family is doing, because 207 00:13:23,925 --> 00:13:27,285 Speaker 1: you pay for it too. They're not out there as 208 00:13:27,325 --> 00:13:30,645 Speaker 1: an island of like, oh, leave me be, You're just paranoid, 209 00:13:30,685 --> 00:13:34,445 Speaker 1: which is what the other brother liked to say to me. 210 00:13:34,485 --> 00:13:39,045 Speaker 1: And no, it turns out I wasn't paranoid enough. And 211 00:13:39,685 --> 00:13:43,885 Speaker 1: I mean I remember going into my Central American brother's 212 00:13:43,925 --> 00:13:49,165 Speaker 1: closet and just smelling his clothes and crying, knowing that 213 00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:51,445 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to see him till God knows when 214 00:13:52,005 --> 00:14:02,125 Speaker 1: he had to be on the run. My mom and 215 00:14:02,205 --> 00:14:05,245 Speaker 1: dad knew very little about this trip when it was happening. 216 00:14:05,765 --> 00:14:08,085 Speaker 1: They heard about it, but they didn't know any details 217 00:14:08,165 --> 00:14:12,605 Speaker 1: until now after we talked with Grandma Bella. What was 218 00:14:12,765 --> 00:14:16,405 Speaker 1: clear to my parents and to Grandma Bella was that 219 00:14:16,445 --> 00:14:21,885 Speaker 1: the trip was poorly executed. Grandma Bella's brothers took a 220 00:14:21,965 --> 00:14:36,005 Speaker 1: lot of extreme risks without taking extra precautions. I just 221 00:14:36,085 --> 00:14:39,765 Speaker 1: thought they overstretched their imagination. They didn't really know what 222 00:14:39,805 --> 00:14:43,605 Speaker 1: they were doing. They had, you know, antique guns didn't work. 223 00:14:44,045 --> 00:14:48,205 Speaker 1: It wasn't properly thought done by proper the proper way. 224 00:14:48,325 --> 00:14:50,405 Speaker 1: I mean, why are they taking a big boat into 225 00:14:51,165 --> 00:14:55,765 Speaker 1: a big river system that's you know where there's like 226 00:14:56,005 --> 00:15:01,445 Speaker 1: all those those gatekeepers, the Homeland Security people, I mean 227 00:15:01,485 --> 00:15:04,365 Speaker 1: they were there then to the coast guard. You just 228 00:15:04,405 --> 00:15:07,485 Speaker 1: didn't go round too thirty mile limit with your load 229 00:15:07,565 --> 00:15:12,125 Speaker 1: of rifles, and you know, they didn't know the rules. 230 00:15:12,965 --> 00:15:16,805 Speaker 1: You had to stay within your boundaries of knowing what 231 00:15:16,845 --> 00:15:22,525 Speaker 1: you were doing big time. You know. Probably that's why 232 00:15:22,565 --> 00:15:27,965 Speaker 1: we've survived because we were cautious. So you felt they 233 00:15:27,965 --> 00:15:30,685 Speaker 1: didn't They were not meticulous, they were I felt that 234 00:15:30,725 --> 00:15:36,285 Speaker 1: they weren't um professional. I mean they had all the 235 00:15:36,445 --> 00:15:41,845 Speaker 1: receipts for the boats and they had nothing together right 236 00:15:41,885 --> 00:15:44,525 Speaker 1: like they Grandma Bella told us they had made t 237 00:15:44,605 --> 00:15:50,325 Speaker 1: shirts with their smugall name. Yeah, oh god, yeah, that 238 00:15:50,485 --> 00:15:55,045 Speaker 1: was unbelievable. No, my parents never did trips like this, 239 00:15:55,725 --> 00:15:58,125 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons they never got caught. 240 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:01,645 Speaker 1: My dad remained in one role during his twenty two 241 00:16:01,725 --> 00:16:06,085 Speaker 1: years smuggling career as a distributor. My dad never won 242 00:16:06,125 --> 00:16:08,325 Speaker 1: on the boots he says he didn't want to get 243 00:16:08,365 --> 00:16:10,925 Speaker 1: that close to the flame. Well I knew was that 244 00:16:11,045 --> 00:16:19,245 Speaker 1: demandatory minimums were absolutely byzantine, you know, and that just 245 00:16:19,285 --> 00:16:24,885 Speaker 1: don't get caught. I mean there was there was one rule, 246 00:16:25,525 --> 00:16:29,125 Speaker 1: don't get caught. He asked me for help, and there 247 00:16:29,205 --> 00:16:32,925 Speaker 1: was nothing I knew to do there, I mean I didn't. 248 00:16:33,165 --> 00:16:36,285 Speaker 1: It was such that I had no details of any 249 00:16:36,365 --> 00:16:39,165 Speaker 1: kind other than he was scared to death and he 250 00:16:39,565 --> 00:16:43,645 Speaker 1: got out of down very quickly and with his wife 251 00:16:43,645 --> 00:16:48,325 Speaker 1: and kids. Grandma Bella's brothers were whiskier than my parents 252 00:16:49,005 --> 00:16:54,005 Speaker 1: and took fewer precautions. And also they did this Afghani 253 00:16:54,085 --> 00:16:58,565 Speaker 1: Hash Columbia River trip right after Reagan's minimum drug sentencing 254 00:16:58,645 --> 00:17:04,645 Speaker 1: laws were bolstered, and unfortunately they experienced the harshest consequences. 255 00:17:07,085 --> 00:17:10,085 Speaker 1: Grandma Bella's oldest brother, mister High, got out of prison 256 00:17:10,125 --> 00:17:13,685 Speaker 1: a couple of years early for good behavior. Her other brother, 257 00:17:13,805 --> 00:17:17,125 Speaker 1: my parents friend, the kid, still lives out of the country. 258 00:17:19,085 --> 00:17:22,565 Speaker 1: Coming up, we hear from another counterculture smuggler I've known 259 00:17:22,605 --> 00:17:25,685 Speaker 1: for forty years, a good friend of mine who spent 260 00:17:25,805 --> 00:17:32,605 Speaker 1: three years in a federal prison for poct I'm Rainbow Valentine. 261 00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:56,205 Speaker 1: This is disorganized crime. We'll be right back. When I 262 00:17:56,285 --> 00:18:00,485 Speaker 1: was sixteen, I worked for my hippie elder friend Gracie Albright, 263 00:18:00,845 --> 00:18:04,845 Speaker 1: making thousands of pounds of tabouli in five gallon buckets 264 00:18:04,845 --> 00:18:07,725 Speaker 1: for a music festival in exchange for free tickets and 265 00:18:07,845 --> 00:18:11,525 Speaker 1: VIP access. And despite being up to my elbows literally 266 00:18:11,765 --> 00:18:15,565 Speaker 1: in citrus soaked cracked wheat for a week, it was 267 00:18:15,605 --> 00:18:19,085 Speaker 1: the most fun I've had while doing manual labor. Okay, 268 00:18:19,125 --> 00:18:23,645 Speaker 1: I've just landed in Vencino County. There she is driving 269 00:18:23,725 --> 00:18:27,045 Speaker 1: up in her badass heavy duty truck. If I were 270 00:18:27,045 --> 00:18:30,125 Speaker 1: to cast Wonder Woman's mom, it would be Gracie Albright, 271 00:18:30,605 --> 00:18:34,725 Speaker 1: almost larger than life. Greasie Albright is strong, confident, brave, 272 00:18:35,245 --> 00:18:41,085 Speaker 1: enormously compassionate, brilliant, hilarious, and the most spectacular maker of amazing, 273 00:18:41,205 --> 00:18:45,285 Speaker 1: large scale things comparable to a Broadway spectacular, Burning Man 274 00:18:45,325 --> 00:18:50,165 Speaker 1: installation or Hollywood extravaganza. Gracie is the kind of person 275 00:18:50,365 --> 00:18:53,365 Speaker 1: you want with you during the apocalypse because she will 276 00:18:53,405 --> 00:18:57,445 Speaker 1: make sure you survive and thrive. I met her when 277 00:18:57,445 --> 00:19:00,685 Speaker 1: I was six via my hippie theater community, the same 278 00:19:00,685 --> 00:19:03,765 Speaker 1: place I'm at. Candy Can. A couple of years after 279 00:19:03,805 --> 00:19:06,925 Speaker 1: I helped her make thousands of pounds to Bouley, thousands 280 00:19:06,965 --> 00:19:09,685 Speaker 1: of pounds of pot caught up to my friend and employer, 281 00:19:09,725 --> 00:19:13,125 Speaker 1: Gracie Albright. She spent several years in federal prison in 282 00:19:13,125 --> 00:19:17,005 Speaker 1: the nineties for pot. Now Greasy experienced what my parents 283 00:19:17,125 --> 00:19:21,005 Speaker 1: luckily avoided, and I wanted to find out how she'd 284 00:19:21,045 --> 00:19:24,245 Speaker 1: been caught and what prison had been like for an 285 00:19:24,245 --> 00:19:28,605 Speaker 1: ethical counterculture outlaw. Well, one of the things that really 286 00:19:28,645 --> 00:19:32,045 Speaker 1: blew my mind is that when I walked in past 287 00:19:32,165 --> 00:19:34,365 Speaker 1: where the glass door shut, it was actually just a 288 00:19:34,405 --> 00:19:36,805 Speaker 1: big glass door. You walked in the door and went 289 00:19:36,965 --> 00:19:40,285 Speaker 1: banged behind you. I got this huge pain in my 290 00:19:40,325 --> 00:19:44,885 Speaker 1: breast and I said, oh my god, Patrick Henry, give 291 00:19:44,925 --> 00:19:48,485 Speaker 1: me liberty or give me death. Who knew that freedom 292 00:19:48,565 --> 00:19:52,645 Speaker 1: was something you actually physically felt in your breast. My 293 00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:55,205 Speaker 1: breast was sore for a few weeks until I got 294 00:19:55,285 --> 00:19:58,005 Speaker 1: used to it. It was the strangest thing. It was like, 295 00:19:58,485 --> 00:20:01,805 Speaker 1: I had no idea. It kind of blew me out 296 00:20:01,845 --> 00:20:09,485 Speaker 1: of the water that one. So. Gracie worked in pot 297 00:20:09,525 --> 00:20:12,485 Speaker 1: smuggling for about five years as a driver this is 298 00:20:12,485 --> 00:20:15,405 Speaker 1: the mid eighties. She also had her own business, a 299 00:20:15,445 --> 00:20:18,965 Speaker 1: straight job and pot smuggling was always a side hustle, 300 00:20:19,165 --> 00:20:22,685 Speaker 1: providing her with extra money for prasias centrals, like going 301 00:20:22,725 --> 00:20:25,285 Speaker 1: to the dentist. And I mean, it wasn't an intentional 302 00:20:25,605 --> 00:20:29,605 Speaker 1: move on my part to become somebody that was selling marijuana. 303 00:20:29,765 --> 00:20:32,325 Speaker 1: I was actually doing other things. Yeah, if you thought 304 00:20:32,325 --> 00:20:33,845 Speaker 1: asked me what I was doing, I wouldn't tell you 305 00:20:33,885 --> 00:20:36,605 Speaker 1: I was a marijuana person. And in fact, even when 306 00:20:36,645 --> 00:20:38,285 Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of it, it wasn't the 307 00:20:38,325 --> 00:20:40,125 Speaker 1: main thing about what I was doing. It was just 308 00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:42,565 Speaker 1: a side deal. You know. It was great. You could 309 00:20:42,565 --> 00:20:45,165 Speaker 1: fix your teeth, you could take a vacation, paint us 310 00:20:45,205 --> 00:20:47,845 Speaker 1: the picture of what you didged and walk us through 311 00:20:47,965 --> 00:20:50,045 Speaker 1: what you were doing, and then walk us through. I 312 00:20:50,125 --> 00:20:54,485 Speaker 1: was driving to the site and loading a rented RV 313 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:59,085 Speaker 1: full of suitcases, and then coming up to San Francisco 314 00:20:59,845 --> 00:21:02,885 Speaker 1: and parking at the airport where suitcases are completely common, 315 00:21:03,045 --> 00:21:06,565 Speaker 1: and people would come pick it up, and a few 316 00:21:06,565 --> 00:21:08,845 Speaker 1: weeks later they I'd go down and collect the money 317 00:21:08,845 --> 00:21:11,685 Speaker 1: and drive back. I asked Greasie how they masked the 318 00:21:11,725 --> 00:21:14,965 Speaker 1: cannabis aroma on the road. Her answer is so simple, 319 00:21:15,085 --> 00:21:20,085 Speaker 1: so obvious, and totally brilliant. We'd load up for the 320 00:21:20,125 --> 00:21:23,445 Speaker 1: return trip, and we'd cook bacon and eggs and then 321 00:21:23,485 --> 00:21:26,485 Speaker 1: we'd have bacon hamburgers, and then we'd have bacon on 322 00:21:26,525 --> 00:21:29,765 Speaker 1: our steaks. And we know we were we wore plaid 323 00:21:29,845 --> 00:21:33,365 Speaker 1: shirts and we called it the bacon Mobile and bacon Moobile. 324 00:21:33,445 --> 00:21:35,925 Speaker 1: One time we were in a hotel and we had 325 00:21:35,925 --> 00:21:38,885 Speaker 1: a whole load in the hotel with us, and I 326 00:21:39,045 --> 00:21:41,965 Speaker 1: was spraying like deodorant spray in the air because he 327 00:21:41,965 --> 00:21:44,645 Speaker 1: could just smell it through everything. And I set up 328 00:21:44,805 --> 00:21:50,085 Speaker 1: smoke alarm and I went, you know, so there was 329 00:21:50,285 --> 00:21:54,965 Speaker 1: there was you know, moments did what happened? Nothing? Nothing 330 00:21:55,085 --> 00:21:56,685 Speaker 1: that you know what happened is we all got a 331 00:21:56,685 --> 00:22:04,165 Speaker 1: big adrenaline rush. Even though she wasn't a full time smuggler, 332 00:22:04,405 --> 00:22:06,805 Speaker 1: Greasie also had to figure out things like how to 333 00:22:06,885 --> 00:22:11,045 Speaker 1: launder her money. She worked in hospice in San Francisco 334 00:22:11,245 --> 00:22:14,725 Speaker 1: during the AIDS crisis of the nineteen eighties, and she 335 00:22:14,805 --> 00:22:17,525 Speaker 1: did a true fuck you to the man to clean 336 00:22:17,565 --> 00:22:20,045 Speaker 1: her money. Might be one of my favorite parts of 337 00:22:20,085 --> 00:22:24,125 Speaker 1: her story. So the gay boys were really pretty pissed off. 338 00:22:24,485 --> 00:22:26,725 Speaker 1: All the gay boys that were dying of AIDS. I 339 00:22:26,805 --> 00:22:30,125 Speaker 1: knew them because I'd been in the Castro working hospice shifts. 340 00:22:30,725 --> 00:22:34,765 Speaker 1: There was at that time a tremendous number of the 341 00:22:34,885 --> 00:22:39,765 Speaker 1: gay population. Their mates were already dead, their parents may 342 00:22:39,765 --> 00:22:43,765 Speaker 1: not accept them, and they didn't have children yet because 343 00:22:43,805 --> 00:22:48,245 Speaker 1: that hadn't gotten normalized, their actualized, and so boy did 344 00:22:48,245 --> 00:22:51,045 Speaker 1: they need hospice. And not only that, they were pretty 345 00:22:51,085 --> 00:22:54,045 Speaker 1: pissed off, many of them, because I mean, that whole thing, 346 00:22:54,085 --> 00:22:56,685 Speaker 1: if it's the gay disease, so it's not important to us. 347 00:22:56,805 --> 00:22:59,725 Speaker 1: Kind of attitude that seemed to exist on some level. 348 00:23:00,245 --> 00:23:03,485 Speaker 1: So if you give more than a nine nine hundred 349 00:23:03,645 --> 00:23:07,205 Speaker 1: and ninety nine dollars to a bank or to anybody, 350 00:23:07,685 --> 00:23:10,485 Speaker 1: they have to say where they got it, if it's cash. 351 00:23:10,525 --> 00:23:13,685 Speaker 1: So I got to give my lawyer nine hundred ninety 352 00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:16,165 Speaker 1: nine dollars because the government really wanted to know how 353 00:23:16,205 --> 00:23:18,565 Speaker 1: I was paying for my legal help. And my lawyer 354 00:23:18,645 --> 00:23:21,885 Speaker 1: said to me, they're gonna subpoena this information. You have 355 00:23:21,965 --> 00:23:24,885 Speaker 1: to get me personal checks. So I came home and 356 00:23:24,925 --> 00:23:26,685 Speaker 1: I went, oh my god, I've got to give him, 357 00:23:26,965 --> 00:23:29,125 Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and fifty thousand dollars or the 358 00:23:29,205 --> 00:23:32,525 Speaker 1: personal checks. And so I went and I gave cash. 359 00:23:33,205 --> 00:23:35,125 Speaker 1: The gay boys saved me to people that were dyeing 360 00:23:35,245 --> 00:23:38,965 Speaker 1: the whole community, the whole castro took. They went out 361 00:23:39,005 --> 00:23:41,685 Speaker 1: and found the dying boys to give me personal checks 362 00:23:41,725 --> 00:23:45,605 Speaker 1: for ten, fifteen, twenty thousand dollars and they took the cash. 363 00:23:46,045 --> 00:23:48,605 Speaker 1: And so when the government wanted to know where the 364 00:23:48,645 --> 00:23:50,925 Speaker 1: money had come from, there was like pictures of all 365 00:23:50,925 --> 00:23:53,005 Speaker 1: the texts, but all the people that had donated were 366 00:23:53,045 --> 00:23:56,365 Speaker 1: gone and then and it was just they loved that 367 00:23:56,485 --> 00:24:00,525 Speaker 1: they could do that last or they probably still did 368 00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:14,005 Speaker 1: more revolutionary acts after that. So Gracie never technically got busted. 369 00:24:14,405 --> 00:24:17,245 Speaker 1: There wasn't a moment where she was caught red handed 370 00:24:17,285 --> 00:24:20,005 Speaker 1: in the act, and there was no evidence she'd been 371 00:24:20,045 --> 00:24:27,045 Speaker 1: a smuggler, but the government got her on conspiracy. Gracie's 372 00:24:27,045 --> 00:24:30,445 Speaker 1: indictment transpired in the early nineties when the government was 373 00:24:30,525 --> 00:24:35,125 Speaker 1: avidly enacting Reagan's mandatory minimum sentencing laws, aiming to imprison 374 00:24:35,165 --> 00:24:39,845 Speaker 1: as many drug offenders as possible, and conspiracy to commit 375 00:24:39,885 --> 00:24:44,365 Speaker 1: a drug offense was considered as bad as executing the misdeed. 376 00:24:44,805 --> 00:24:47,285 Speaker 1: Here's Bill Panzer, the cannabis attorney I chatted with in 377 00:24:47,365 --> 00:24:53,045 Speaker 1: episode three. Conspiracy is when two or more people agree 378 00:24:53,125 --> 00:24:57,685 Speaker 1: to do something illegal. And they take at least one 379 00:24:58,045 --> 00:25:02,245 Speaker 1: step in furtherance of the conspiracy. But yeah, conspiracy as 380 00:25:02,285 --> 00:25:06,605 Speaker 1: a fell in the Under federal law, the conspiracy potential 381 00:25:06,645 --> 00:25:10,085 Speaker 1: penalty would be the same as if you completed the conspiracy. 382 00:25:10,765 --> 00:25:14,485 Speaker 1: So Gracie got caught because someone she worked with was 383 00:25:14,605 --> 00:25:18,965 Speaker 1: caught and facing imprisonment. They turned a dime. They rolled, 384 00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:22,365 Speaker 1: which means to turn in others to the cops in 385 00:25:22,445 --> 00:25:28,605 Speaker 1: exchange for freedom. With Reagan's harsh mandatory minimums, rolling on 386 00:25:28,725 --> 00:25:31,685 Speaker 1: your colleagues was one of the only ways to save 387 00:25:31,725 --> 00:25:35,445 Speaker 1: your own skin, you know, Mandatory minimum sentences, people going 388 00:25:35,485 --> 00:25:39,885 Speaker 1: away for her redness, amounts of time for cannabis, which 389 00:25:39,925 --> 00:25:41,885 Speaker 1: no one should go to jail for cannabis period, and 390 00:25:42,005 --> 00:25:45,445 Speaker 1: other drugs too. I mean, you know, it's you know, 391 00:25:45,485 --> 00:25:47,685 Speaker 1: it's like almost it's okay to kill somebody, just don't 392 00:25:47,725 --> 00:25:50,165 Speaker 1: smoke a joint while you're doing it. You had these 393 00:25:50,245 --> 00:25:56,005 Speaker 1: draconian sentences, which then because of the only way out 394 00:25:56,005 --> 00:26:01,325 Speaker 1: of it was to cooperate. It changed the industry. A 395 00:26:01,325 --> 00:26:04,405 Speaker 1: friend of mine who recently retired, who did this ship 396 00:26:04,445 --> 00:26:07,165 Speaker 1: for like forty or fifty years, you know, always had 397 00:26:07,205 --> 00:26:09,805 Speaker 1: a hat in his office, a little baseball cap that said, 398 00:26:10,405 --> 00:26:13,685 Speaker 1: nobody talks, everybody walks, and there was a lot to that. 399 00:26:13,925 --> 00:26:16,285 Speaker 1: And you know, and look when you when you got 400 00:26:16,325 --> 00:26:18,925 Speaker 1: a twenty one year old kid and you're threatening him 401 00:26:18,925 --> 00:26:20,845 Speaker 1: with five years in prison, Well, when you're twenty one 402 00:26:20,885 --> 00:26:26,005 Speaker 1: years old, five years last forever. When you're forty five 403 00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:30,165 Speaker 1: years ain't that long anymore, you know, So there wasn't 404 00:26:30,165 --> 00:26:31,965 Speaker 1: that much of a threat. And when you start talking 405 00:26:32,005 --> 00:26:36,805 Speaker 1: about mandatory ten, of which you're serving eighty five percent, 406 00:26:36,925 --> 00:26:39,205 Speaker 1: none of this two for one stuff. You're serving ten 407 00:26:39,285 --> 00:26:41,165 Speaker 1: years cents, you're going to serve eight and a half years. 408 00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:44,525 Speaker 1: You get fifty four days a year off good time, 409 00:26:44,605 --> 00:26:47,445 Speaker 1: fifteen percent. That's it. So when you're talking about a 410 00:26:47,445 --> 00:26:51,285 Speaker 1: mandatory ten, a mandatory twenty, you had a lot more 411 00:26:51,285 --> 00:26:56,685 Speaker 1: people cooperating, pointy fingers of people dropping dimes on people, 412 00:26:57,885 --> 00:27:03,165 Speaker 1: ratting people out. And that's really how the whole warren drugs, 413 00:27:03,205 --> 00:27:06,285 Speaker 1: you know, the criminal justice sne became it's just get someone, 414 00:27:06,805 --> 00:27:08,365 Speaker 1: tell them you're going to prison for the rest of 415 00:27:08,365 --> 00:27:10,445 Speaker 1: your life unless you give me someone else. And people 416 00:27:10,485 --> 00:27:14,125 Speaker 1: start giving up their wives, their brothers, their daughters, their husbands. 417 00:27:14,165 --> 00:27:18,125 Speaker 1: You know, it was horrendous Greasie and her lawyer worked 418 00:27:18,165 --> 00:27:20,525 Speaker 1: for a couple of years on the case. She poured 419 00:27:20,565 --> 00:27:24,685 Speaker 1: all her resources, time, energy, money into the tobacco. She 420 00:27:24,765 --> 00:27:28,005 Speaker 1: becomes broke, has to send her child to live with relatives. 421 00:27:29,405 --> 00:27:32,885 Speaker 1: The Feds threatened eight years, but with the effort she 422 00:27:32,965 --> 00:27:36,205 Speaker 1: and her lawyer pour into the case, Greasie manages to 423 00:27:36,285 --> 00:27:40,685 Speaker 1: only be sentenced to three years for conspiracy to smugglepot 424 00:27:41,405 --> 00:27:46,525 Speaker 1: sometime in the vague future. So Greasie prepares for prison. 425 00:27:47,125 --> 00:27:49,845 Speaker 1: She puts her business on hold, says goodbye to her 426 00:27:49,925 --> 00:27:56,725 Speaker 1: child and family, and reports to serve three years. Gracie 427 00:27:56,805 --> 00:27:58,845 Speaker 1: was allowed to select the first prison she went to. 428 00:27:59,205 --> 00:28:01,445 Speaker 1: Unlike any good hippie, she picks the prison with the 429 00:28:01,445 --> 00:28:03,925 Speaker 1: best vegetables. It was like looking through a book and 430 00:28:04,005 --> 00:28:06,405 Speaker 1: taking a college has salad are somebody wrote a little 431 00:28:06,405 --> 00:28:09,805 Speaker 1: book about all of them? Was your god? My lawyer yeah, said, 432 00:28:09,965 --> 00:28:13,125 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee, but you could pick your first and 433 00:28:13,165 --> 00:28:15,045 Speaker 1: second choice here and if there's room, I think they'll 434 00:28:15,045 --> 00:28:17,045 Speaker 1: try and place you there because they don't really want 435 00:28:17,045 --> 00:28:19,445 Speaker 1: to give you a hard time. Tell me about prison, 436 00:28:19,565 --> 00:28:22,365 Speaker 1: to walko, to paint us the picture. What does prison 437 00:28:22,445 --> 00:28:25,645 Speaker 1: look like? Where are you sleeping? What are you doing 438 00:28:25,845 --> 00:28:30,765 Speaker 1: day to day. What do you miss drinking water? You know? 439 00:28:30,845 --> 00:28:32,965 Speaker 1: One of my friends said, what would you like when 440 00:28:32,965 --> 00:28:35,525 Speaker 1: you get in there? And I said, but you tape 441 00:28:35,525 --> 00:28:39,165 Speaker 1: the birds that sing in the morning on the lake, 442 00:28:40,405 --> 00:28:42,325 Speaker 1: so that I've got that sound in the morning when 443 00:28:42,325 --> 00:28:44,685 Speaker 1: I wake up. And then I got to my cell 444 00:28:45,445 --> 00:28:50,005 Speaker 1: and when you opened the window, there was a marsh 445 00:28:50,045 --> 00:28:52,285 Speaker 1: and so right away I felt like that was a 446 00:28:52,325 --> 00:28:56,445 Speaker 1: gift from the universe. Gracie spent most of her three 447 00:28:56,525 --> 00:28:59,765 Speaker 1: years in a medium security prison, but she ended up 448 00:28:59,765 --> 00:29:03,285 Speaker 1: moving around several times, so I was moved around to 449 00:29:03,325 --> 00:29:06,085 Speaker 1: three different prisons in a short time. So I really 450 00:29:06,125 --> 00:29:10,245 Speaker 1: got to see kind of the different kind of institutions 451 00:29:10,245 --> 00:29:13,645 Speaker 1: America has, and a lot about how they run and 452 00:29:13,685 --> 00:29:17,005 Speaker 1: what goes on, and it's you know, tell us about 453 00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:21,605 Speaker 1: it wor well, you know, there's also really sweet moments 454 00:29:22,005 --> 00:29:25,885 Speaker 1: waking up after a little LSD trip because you have 455 00:29:25,925 --> 00:29:29,165 Speaker 1: to do something to alter your conscious and then you 456 00:29:29,285 --> 00:29:31,565 Speaker 1: just can't. I just needed some cheering up, so I 457 00:29:31,605 --> 00:29:35,725 Speaker 1: would take some. And you know, Sunday morning, waking up 458 00:29:36,765 --> 00:29:38,965 Speaker 1: or I hadn't been to sleep, but everybody else was 459 00:29:38,965 --> 00:29:43,445 Speaker 1: waking up and it was like just all these sweet 460 00:29:44,005 --> 00:29:46,885 Speaker 1: human beings running around and borrowing quarters from each other 461 00:29:46,965 --> 00:29:49,005 Speaker 1: and checking to see if everyone had enough. Long we 462 00:29:49,125 --> 00:29:51,765 Speaker 1: detergent because it was a day off, and it was 463 00:29:51,845 --> 00:29:55,165 Speaker 1: just the women were very kind to each other and 464 00:29:55,405 --> 00:29:58,805 Speaker 1: very sweet and very supportive, and the rules were different 465 00:29:58,805 --> 00:30:00,845 Speaker 1: in every prison. In some prisons there was cameras on 466 00:30:00,925 --> 00:30:03,845 Speaker 1: you and you couldn't touch each other, and that was 467 00:30:03,885 --> 00:30:07,205 Speaker 1: difficult because you could get in serious trouble for giving 468 00:30:07,205 --> 00:30:11,005 Speaker 1: somebody a hug when their mother died. And in other 469 00:30:11,045 --> 00:30:14,765 Speaker 1: places you could get in serious trouble for allowing yourself 470 00:30:14,805 --> 00:30:17,405 Speaker 1: to get a sunburn, even though they didn't provide hats 471 00:30:17,485 --> 00:30:21,885 Speaker 1: or sunscreen or sunglasses. And many times you had to 472 00:30:21,925 --> 00:30:25,605 Speaker 1: work outside, and you know what, the infraction was called 473 00:30:26,485 --> 00:30:33,085 Speaker 1: destruction of government property. Even though Greasy remembers sweet moments, 474 00:30:33,525 --> 00:30:37,485 Speaker 1: prison is not a slumber party. One prison she lived 475 00:30:37,525 --> 00:30:41,205 Speaker 1: in went through a crisis situation concerning a plan between 476 00:30:41,205 --> 00:30:44,285 Speaker 1: the guards and a male prisoner to blow up the 477 00:30:44,325 --> 00:30:48,925 Speaker 1: women's prison. At one point, some dude had stolen some too. Anyway, 478 00:30:48,925 --> 00:30:51,325 Speaker 1: he had a network, and there was a men's prison 479 00:30:51,365 --> 00:30:55,485 Speaker 1: and a women's prison, and this helicopter was aiming to 480 00:30:55,525 --> 00:30:59,205 Speaker 1: come into the men's side and escape with somebody. And 481 00:30:59,245 --> 00:31:00,365 Speaker 1: how they were going to do it was they were 482 00:31:00,365 --> 00:31:03,925 Speaker 1: going to bomb the women's side, distract everybody, and then 483 00:31:04,005 --> 00:31:06,365 Speaker 1: land and take the dude out. So they were just 484 00:31:06,445 --> 00:31:08,765 Speaker 1: gonna bomb us. And so all of a sudden, all 485 00:31:08,765 --> 00:31:11,765 Speaker 1: these fans rushed into the middle of the prison, all 486 00:31:11,885 --> 00:31:14,165 Speaker 1: armed with their guns drawn, and la la la and 487 00:31:14,285 --> 00:31:16,965 Speaker 1: low and behold, they took away a bunch of the guards, 488 00:31:17,325 --> 00:31:19,845 Speaker 1: and the guards had sold us. They had for six 489 00:31:19,965 --> 00:31:23,125 Speaker 1: figures agreed to put a bomb off on our side. 490 00:31:23,165 --> 00:31:24,845 Speaker 1: So that was one of the times I thought, oh 491 00:31:24,885 --> 00:31:28,005 Speaker 1: my gosh, wow, death for pot that would be a 492 00:31:28,085 --> 00:31:34,645 Speaker 1: wild thing. Gracie overwhelmingly feels her experience in prison was surreal, 493 00:31:35,085 --> 00:31:38,805 Speaker 1: just totally bizarre. I got to ride Conair. You know, 494 00:31:38,845 --> 00:31:40,685 Speaker 1: we were out there on the tarmac when they moved 495 00:31:40,765 --> 00:31:43,885 Speaker 1: us from one prison to another at the airport, like 496 00:31:44,005 --> 00:31:48,805 Speaker 1: got us chain, We're handcuffed, we're chain our hands are 497 00:31:48,885 --> 00:31:51,885 Speaker 1: chained to our waist. The chain goes down to our 498 00:31:51,925 --> 00:31:54,405 Speaker 1: feet and our ankles are chained so you can sort 499 00:31:54,445 --> 00:31:56,565 Speaker 1: of shuffle and you have to walk up the airplane 500 00:31:56,565 --> 00:31:58,965 Speaker 1: steps like that, and there's all these dudes standing around 501 00:31:59,245 --> 00:32:02,965 Speaker 1: with machine guns and you know, ah, there you are 502 00:32:03,005 --> 00:32:06,885 Speaker 1: and you think, oh gosh, I'm sent somebody else's movie. 503 00:32:07,965 --> 00:32:10,725 Speaker 1: One of the takeaways Gracie has from prison is the 504 00:32:10,765 --> 00:32:15,445 Speaker 1: absurdity of who was imprisoned federally. Some of her fellow 505 00:32:15,485 --> 00:32:19,125 Speaker 1: convicts include a woman who tried to assassinate President Ford. 506 00:32:19,725 --> 00:32:22,845 Speaker 1: Another prisoner worked in mail delivery and threw away the 507 00:32:22,965 --> 00:32:25,925 Speaker 1: junk mail because she wanted to go home early as 508 00:32:25,925 --> 00:32:29,205 Speaker 1: it was nine degrees outside. Then she was sent to 509 00:32:29,285 --> 00:32:33,485 Speaker 1: federal prison because throwing away mail, including junk mail, is 510 00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:37,445 Speaker 1: a federal crime. And there were other smugglers, a woman 511 00:32:37,525 --> 00:32:41,325 Speaker 1: serving fifty years for pot, plus a crew of parakeet smugglers. 512 00:32:41,885 --> 00:32:44,965 Speaker 1: And you know there was then the parakeet smugglers. Oh 513 00:32:45,165 --> 00:32:47,805 Speaker 1: you know, people that smuggled rare birds. I mean people 514 00:32:47,805 --> 00:32:52,765 Speaker 1: that had been busted pain in Yosemite in federal prison. Yeah, 515 00:32:52,845 --> 00:32:55,205 Speaker 1: because maybe a kid saw them do it. Most of 516 00:32:55,205 --> 00:32:58,085 Speaker 1: the people in women's prison are actually victims, and quite 517 00:32:58,085 --> 00:33:00,085 Speaker 1: a few of them were afraid to go when it 518 00:33:00,125 --> 00:33:02,885 Speaker 1: was their time to go because they just went out 519 00:33:03,365 --> 00:33:05,205 Speaker 1: set themselves up for it. I mean, no one was 520 00:33:05,205 --> 00:33:08,645 Speaker 1: working with these women are helping them figure out why 521 00:33:08,685 --> 00:33:12,205 Speaker 1: they maybe should stop making terrible choices or you know, 522 00:33:12,205 --> 00:33:15,885 Speaker 1: and they'd end up with these abusive boyfriends. And you know, 523 00:33:16,245 --> 00:33:19,965 Speaker 1: in prison, everyone is assigned a job. Gracie was in 524 00:33:20,045 --> 00:33:24,005 Speaker 1: charge of recreation, and she headed up a dedicated meditation group. 525 00:33:24,485 --> 00:33:26,965 Speaker 1: And one thing, another funny thing about prison is that 526 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:29,445 Speaker 1: there's lots of prison literature in prison, so you go 527 00:33:29,485 --> 00:33:31,285 Speaker 1: to the library and you can read about everybody that 528 00:33:31,325 --> 00:33:34,245 Speaker 1: was ever in prison. Gracie was eventually transferred to a 529 00:33:34,285 --> 00:33:38,365 Speaker 1: penitentiary in the Pacific Northwest, where male prisoners were allowed 530 00:33:38,365 --> 00:33:41,725 Speaker 1: to hunt and would provide fresh meat for everyone else 531 00:33:41,925 --> 00:33:44,605 Speaker 1: locked up. Let's just take a moment on that. The 532 00:33:44,725 --> 00:33:47,285 Speaker 1: male prisoners were given guns to go out and hunt 533 00:33:47,365 --> 00:33:50,005 Speaker 1: for food. I've been watching and we didn't even have 534 00:33:50,005 --> 00:33:52,725 Speaker 1: to wear uniforms. And there was all these northwesterners, god 535 00:33:52,725 --> 00:33:55,605 Speaker 1: knows what they were in prison for. There were dudes 536 00:33:55,965 --> 00:33:58,885 Speaker 1: in there that had been busted for this or that 537 00:33:59,045 --> 00:34:03,125 Speaker 1: or the other thing. And they owned these giant ranches 538 00:34:03,605 --> 00:34:07,885 Speaker 1: that had walk in freezer to the next ranch, and 539 00:34:07,965 --> 00:34:12,085 Speaker 1: so they would fill our prison freezer. They couldn't feed 540 00:34:12,725 --> 00:34:15,965 Speaker 1: themselves unless they fed everybody. So we would get like 541 00:34:16,005 --> 00:34:18,405 Speaker 1: we would have salmon for dinner, and we would have 542 00:34:18,485 --> 00:34:21,365 Speaker 1: bear for dinner and we would have Elk for dinner 543 00:34:21,645 --> 00:34:26,805 Speaker 1: and Moose for dinner. I mean, it was sort of weird. 544 00:34:26,645 --> 00:34:33,045 Speaker 1: And we had karaoke night. You know. Oh, I had 545 00:34:33,085 --> 00:34:36,485 Speaker 1: plenty of fun. There was this one prison guard that said, oh, 546 00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:40,485 Speaker 1: you're having fun and he said, you're enjoying yourself And 547 00:34:40,525 --> 00:34:43,045 Speaker 1: I said, well why not? I mean, am I going 548 00:34:43,085 --> 00:34:46,365 Speaker 1: to be miserable? Why waste my time being miserable. I 549 00:34:46,405 --> 00:34:48,885 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time being outraged and how crazy 550 00:34:48,925 --> 00:34:51,285 Speaker 1: it all was. But when I got to the halfway house, 551 00:34:51,325 --> 00:34:52,925 Speaker 1: I remember they made me go to this counselor and 552 00:34:52,965 --> 00:34:56,125 Speaker 1: the councilor said, she said, I don't usually get people 553 00:34:56,125 --> 00:34:59,205 Speaker 1: that aren't bitter. I said, I'm not bitter. I knew 554 00:34:59,245 --> 00:35:02,445 Speaker 1: I was breaking the law. After release, Greasie gets sent 555 00:35:02,485 --> 00:35:05,885 Speaker 1: to a halfway house for how long were you there? 556 00:35:05,885 --> 00:35:09,245 Speaker 1: They held me for a while. But I work in 557 00:35:09,365 --> 00:35:12,365 Speaker 1: rock and rolls, who I got to go out in 558 00:35:12,405 --> 00:35:15,005 Speaker 1: the evenings and there is another great story about how 559 00:35:15,325 --> 00:35:17,645 Speaker 1: you're really being held by criminals even though you're not. 560 00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:20,005 Speaker 1: So I would come back in and there was only 561 00:35:20,045 --> 00:35:21,485 Speaker 1: a dude on at three in the morning when I 562 00:35:21,485 --> 00:35:23,005 Speaker 1: would come home from work. But it was a job. 563 00:35:23,005 --> 00:35:24,925 Speaker 1: They were required by law to let me go to work, 564 00:35:24,925 --> 00:35:27,045 Speaker 1: even if it was at the you know, rock and 565 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:30,685 Speaker 1: roll palaces. And I would come in and they I 566 00:35:30,725 --> 00:35:32,725 Speaker 1: had to agree to a P test every single time 567 00:35:32,765 --> 00:35:35,165 Speaker 1: I came in with the mail guard watching. And so 568 00:35:35,245 --> 00:35:37,445 Speaker 1: you know what he did. He tried to sell me 569 00:35:37,525 --> 00:35:40,285 Speaker 1: his P for seventy dollars and I said, how do 570 00:35:40,325 --> 00:35:42,845 Speaker 1: I know your P is clean? I know mine is? 571 00:35:43,045 --> 00:35:46,565 Speaker 1: Fuck off? You know, I mean, really yeah, just kind 572 00:35:46,565 --> 00:35:49,605 Speaker 1: of nuts, I know. Just it was so surreal. I 573 00:35:49,605 --> 00:35:53,725 Speaker 1: called it marshmallow world. You look for where something is 574 00:35:53,805 --> 00:35:56,525 Speaker 1: and what it is just keeps moving. It's all moving. 575 00:35:57,085 --> 00:35:58,645 Speaker 1: Life is kind of like that. In the end, it 576 00:35:58,645 --> 00:36:11,125 Speaker 1: turns out, but it was like so extreme there. Now today, 577 00:36:11,365 --> 00:36:15,685 Speaker 1: after spending three years in prison and leaving pots smuggling behind, 578 00:36:16,405 --> 00:36:21,405 Speaker 1: Gracie says, what she feels most acutely is relief. In 579 00:36:21,485 --> 00:36:26,245 Speaker 1: the years since then, it was cool not to be frightened. 580 00:36:26,445 --> 00:36:28,565 Speaker 1: You know. At some point while I was in a 581 00:36:28,605 --> 00:36:31,365 Speaker 1: sweet Buddhist nun that used to come meditate with us 582 00:36:31,565 --> 00:36:33,685 Speaker 1: wrote a book about freedom, and she interviewed me and 583 00:36:33,725 --> 00:36:36,325 Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm much freer now, And that made 584 00:36:36,325 --> 00:36:38,165 Speaker 1: her sort of curious, and I said, well, you know, 585 00:36:38,965 --> 00:36:42,045 Speaker 1: I'm free of all the little white lies because you 586 00:36:42,085 --> 00:36:44,005 Speaker 1: can't tell people that you're going to go sell a 587 00:36:44,045 --> 00:36:46,885 Speaker 1: pound a pot, so you tell people you're going to 588 00:36:46,925 --> 00:36:49,605 Speaker 1: the movies, and so you lie all the time to 589 00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:53,885 Speaker 1: protect people. So it's well motivated, but it's still little lies, 590 00:36:53,925 --> 00:36:57,285 Speaker 1: and they get heavy after a while, you know, and 591 00:36:57,325 --> 00:36:59,645 Speaker 1: so it's really, you know, I'm so glad that it's legal, 592 00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:03,245 Speaker 1: because it's a shame lies just they're not you know, 593 00:37:03,285 --> 00:37:05,085 Speaker 1: they are sort of unclean and they do have a 594 00:37:05,085 --> 00:37:08,405 Speaker 1: certain weight. And so it was a sacrifice to be 595 00:37:08,445 --> 00:37:13,605 Speaker 1: one of those people that insisted on being a beneficial 596 00:37:13,805 --> 00:37:18,125 Speaker 1: thing and you know, fock for laws basically, So like 597 00:37:18,245 --> 00:37:21,765 Speaker 1: my parents, Greasie lived a double life and it eventually 598 00:37:21,805 --> 00:37:26,845 Speaker 1: became overly burdensome. Neither she nor my parents regret being 599 00:37:26,885 --> 00:37:31,645 Speaker 1: pot smugglers because they believed in the product and the cause. However, 600 00:37:31,925 --> 00:37:36,285 Speaker 1: the mental hardship of working outside the law is real, 601 00:37:36,845 --> 00:37:41,725 Speaker 1: deeply taxing, and accumulates over time, no matter how honorable 602 00:37:41,805 --> 00:37:46,085 Speaker 1: you or the product are. And Gracie was fortunate because 603 00:37:46,125 --> 00:37:48,445 Speaker 1: she was part of a tight knit community that took 604 00:37:48,485 --> 00:37:50,525 Speaker 1: care of her and her child and she had a 605 00:37:50,525 --> 00:37:54,405 Speaker 1: great legal team, plus returned to her neighborhood as a hero. 606 00:37:55,645 --> 00:38:00,005 Speaker 1: I was really lucky so many of the women went home. 607 00:38:01,405 --> 00:38:04,325 Speaker 1: I mean, I got to come home a hero. So 608 00:38:04,365 --> 00:38:07,525 Speaker 1: I'd go dancing and there'd be one hundred dollar bill 609 00:38:07,565 --> 00:38:09,285 Speaker 1: in my pocket that I didn't know who'd put there. 610 00:38:09,445 --> 00:38:12,765 Speaker 1: I'd come to work and there would be a thousand 611 00:38:12,805 --> 00:38:15,845 Speaker 1: dollars in a brown paper bag on my desk, and 612 00:38:15,965 --> 00:38:21,005 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, none of my stuff disappeared 613 00:38:21,005 --> 00:38:23,365 Speaker 1: other than what it cost me to defend myself and 614 00:38:23,445 --> 00:38:25,485 Speaker 1: everybody else. And I spent plenty on that. I spent 615 00:38:25,525 --> 00:38:28,085 Speaker 1: everything on it. I was broke when I finally got there. 616 00:38:28,085 --> 00:38:31,245 Speaker 1: The reason I stopped fighting was because I was completely 617 00:38:31,245 --> 00:38:34,165 Speaker 1: out of money. But I didn't lose anything because of 618 00:38:34,205 --> 00:38:36,285 Speaker 1: my lifestyle, and people just took care of it for 619 00:38:36,445 --> 00:38:38,885 Speaker 1: me while I was gone, and they did my work 620 00:38:38,925 --> 00:38:41,365 Speaker 1: for me, and it just, you know, nothing left. But 621 00:38:41,445 --> 00:38:43,485 Speaker 1: I certainly had to develop a new sense of the 622 00:38:43,525 --> 00:38:50,445 Speaker 1: worth of a dollar when I got out. So watching 623 00:38:50,525 --> 00:38:53,685 Speaker 1: their colleagues and friends get busted, go to prison or 624 00:38:53,765 --> 00:38:58,285 Speaker 1: flee the country was horrifying for my parents. Along with 625 00:38:58,285 --> 00:39:02,085 Speaker 1: a sadness of watching their friends' lives between apart was 626 00:39:02,125 --> 00:39:05,365 Speaker 1: the terror that people would turn a dime. My par 627 00:39:05,645 --> 00:39:07,685 Speaker 1: could only hope that they would be spared if any 628 00:39:07,685 --> 00:39:12,445 Speaker 1: of their colleagues rolled like Gracie's associate. Growing up, because 629 00:39:12,525 --> 00:39:15,445 Speaker 1: I didn't know my parents were lawbreakers, I never felt 630 00:39:15,565 --> 00:39:18,285 Speaker 1: unsafe or worried that I would come home from school 631 00:39:18,285 --> 00:39:21,125 Speaker 1: and find my parents in jail or our bags packed 632 00:39:21,125 --> 00:39:25,845 Speaker 1: to flee the country. However, this podcast, Pilgrimage into Pandora's 633 00:39:25,885 --> 00:39:32,765 Speaker 1: pot Box, is continuously uncovering surprising disclosures and discoveries. Let 634 00:39:32,845 --> 00:39:35,005 Speaker 1: me scrape my jaw off the floor at once again 635 00:39:35,365 --> 00:39:38,365 Speaker 1: and share a recent one. I was talking with my 636 00:39:38,445 --> 00:39:42,045 Speaker 1: mom and she casually mentions in the late eighties they 637 00:39:42,045 --> 00:39:45,365 Speaker 1: could have been busted the same way as Gracie. When 638 00:39:45,365 --> 00:39:48,565 Speaker 1: a family friend with whom we'd vacationed in Kauai and 639 00:39:48,685 --> 00:39:51,565 Speaker 1: whose daughter gave me a Culture Club cassette tape for 640 00:39:51,685 --> 00:39:56,685 Speaker 1: my tenth birthday was busted and rolled on everyone but 641 00:39:56,845 --> 00:40:02,845 Speaker 1: my dad. She told on everybody but us, really all crew. 642 00:40:03,165 --> 00:40:07,285 Speaker 1: Why didn't he tell on you? Yeah, because we had 643 00:40:07,925 --> 00:40:13,885 Speaker 1: because you had a baby, and nobody else did. So 644 00:40:13,925 --> 00:40:16,485 Speaker 1: my mom thinks he busted associate didn't roll on my 645 00:40:16,605 --> 00:40:20,925 Speaker 1: dad because of me and my siblings. The busted colleague 646 00:40:20,965 --> 00:40:23,725 Speaker 1: was also a family man, and to save his skin 647 00:40:23,765 --> 00:40:26,845 Speaker 1: and keep his family intact, he turned a dime on 648 00:40:26,965 --> 00:40:33,925 Speaker 1: his bachelor associates. My dad, a fellow family man, remained unnamed. 649 00:40:35,725 --> 00:40:39,405 Speaker 1: It's fascinating a bizarre to consider I'd potentially been an 650 00:40:39,485 --> 00:40:44,205 Speaker 1: unwitting shield for my parents. In the next episode, Dad's 651 00:40:44,245 --> 00:40:48,245 Speaker 1: pot smuggling career takes a dangerous in devastating turn when 652 00:40:48,325 --> 00:40:51,325 Speaker 1: Dad goes to New York and does the trip that 653 00:40:51,485 --> 00:40:56,245 Speaker 1: ultimately becomes his final straw. I'm Rainbow Valentine and this 654 00:40:56,285 --> 00:41:02,645 Speaker 1: is Disorganized Crime Smuggler's Daughter. Disorganized Crime Smuggler's Daughter is 655 00:41:02,645 --> 00:41:06,725 Speaker 1: written and recorded by Me Rainbow Valentine. Our producers are 656 00:41:06,765 --> 00:41:11,125 Speaker 1: Gabby Watts and Taylor Church. Executive producers are Brandon Barr, 657 00:41:11,165 --> 00:41:14,245 Speaker 1: Brian Live and Elsie Crowley and Me at School of 658 00:41:14,325 --> 00:41:17,685 Speaker 1: Humans and Connel Burn and Charles Bryant at iHeartRadio. Our 659 00:41:17,765 --> 00:41:20,485 Speaker 1: music is by Gabby Lala and Claire Campbell, with original 660 00:41:20,525 --> 00:41:23,685 Speaker 1: theme by Mark Karen and Me. You can follow us 661 00:41:23,685 --> 00:41:35,925 Speaker 1: online at Disorganized Crime Podcast dot com. Right novel story 662 00:41:37,085 --> 00:41:43,165 Speaker 1: Doing as with Me Tamble by steep and Princess of 663 00:41:43,605 --> 00:41:49,645 Speaker 1: the red Wood dreams, she says, keep it real. Handshake 664 00:41:49,765 --> 00:41:55,565 Speaker 1: seals the deal, wrap the ska sealed meal, going up 665 00:41:55,685 --> 00:42:02,485 Speaker 1: these old threads, golding to Doobie, Young, rich and groovy, 666 00:42:04,085 --> 00:42:13,165 Speaker 1: making it up. We roll along, rolling along for country roll, 667 00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:23,645 Speaker 1: rolling along for a country roll, Rolling along for a 668 00:42:24,325 --> 00:42:25,285 Speaker 1: country roll.