Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where our toe is always in bounds.
Speaker 1: We are here on the very first game of the year,
Speaker 1: Chiefs win twenty seven to twenty. I am Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: so lucky today to be joined by Jordan Rodrigue. We
Speaker 1: are going live on YouTube, so hello to all the
Speaker 1: people out there watching on YouTube, but most of you
Speaker 1: listening to us in your ears. Jordan, I apologize to
Speaker 1: the gods at the NFL for ever doubting that this
Speaker 1: should be the game. I was like, oh, why you
Speaker 1: want to burn Ravens Chiefs right off the bat. This
Speaker 1: was an incredible way to start the season, and I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to be starting it with you. I know.
Speaker 2: It lived up to all the hype that I had
Speaker 2: in my brain about football being back, and to use
Speaker 2: my Greg impression, I'm so happy. We texted in the
Speaker 2: third second quarter about halftime. We tacked on my phone
Speaker 2: for a minute halftime just to catch up on just
Speaker 2: ideas and thoughts, and both of us just took kind
Speaker 2: of a moment and just thought, oh so happy right now,
Speaker 2: like football being back, and it's this this, these steaks
Speaker 2: and toe, My goodness, we're here.
Speaker 3: We're back.
Speaker 1: We're We're such dorks, And yes I'm a dork. I'm
Speaker 1: like sending out the link as we're actually.
Speaker 2: I know I'm trying to like avate my screen here, sorry,
Speaker 2: etp behind the glass, and it might be fit.
Speaker 1: I am so excited to go through this game, but
Speaker 1: I think the easiest way to do it is, Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll start at the end, but we'll also take a
Speaker 1: lot of lessons from this game and talk about what
Speaker 1: we learned in this game. And you know, the first
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna say I learned in this game is
Speaker 1: something we've known, but I think it's even more true
Speaker 1: now than ever, which is that the Chiefs can win
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. And yes, you could say
Speaker 1: they got a little fortunate. At the end of this game,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson missed a couple open receivers in the end zone.
Speaker 1: Ravens are trailing twenty seven to twenty. They get the
Speaker 1: ball with no timeouts, with one minute and fifty seconds,
Speaker 1: they have to drive the length of the field. He
Speaker 1: makes a nice throw down into the red zone. They
Speaker 1: waste a lot of time on a Za Flowers catch,
Speaker 1: and then he misses a couple receivers and then yes,
Speaker 1: he delivers a ball to Isaiah Likely who is just
Speaker 1: out of the end of the end zone. Let's listen
Speaker 1: to Mike Turrico making that call and then unfortunately the
Speaker 1: call by the referee right afterwards.
Speaker 4: It's four your bar trying to make that happens throwing.
Speaker 1: In zone my way took me down. Yes, touch, So
Speaker 1: Runners told hit out of bound.
Speaker 5: It's a hand to prepay.
Speaker 1: The game is over. Here's the city's long.
Speaker 4: Twenty seven to twenty the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: We're not opening night by a choke. So that was
Speaker 1: the call from Mike Tarico. What like a rollercoaster of
Speaker 1: emotions there. This felt like a game to me, Jordan
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs should have won, that they probably were
Speaker 1: the better, more under control team throughout, and yet at
Speaker 1: the end everyone is gassed. Week one is so much
Speaker 1: different than other weeks, and the Ravens are going to
Speaker 1: look back on this as a missed opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of missed opportunities here, I think, particularly
Speaker 2: in the second half. You know that the new Zach
Speaker 2: orr led defense when they said he was thirty two
Speaker 2: on the screen.
Speaker 3: I knew that this is not a lesson.
Speaker 2: This is not something I didn't know, but I had
Speaker 2: an existential moment thinking about that. I'm thirty two, I
Speaker 2: have not done anything like this is and I was
Speaker 2: impressed with his defense. The first half they had some busts.
Speaker 2: A second half they had some issues. Obviously, the Xavier
Speaker 2: Worthy second touchdown was a huge one in that regard.
Speaker 2: Looked like Marlon Humphrey was seeking some safety help there
Speaker 2: and Xavier Worthy got behind him, and it just it
Speaker 2: reiterates how if you leave the door a crack open,
Speaker 2: or if you miss a throw, or if you have
Speaker 2: you know, a size you know for fourteen and a
Speaker 2: half shoe instead of a fourteen like the Chiefs will
Speaker 2: make you pay for it. This is not anything we
Speaker 2: didn't know. But man, was this a good game. This
Speaker 2: was a fun game. I'm heartbroken for Isaiah Likely. He
Speaker 2: had an incredible, incredible game and seemed to really get
Speaker 2: hurt at the end there landing on his shoulder, comes
Speaker 2: back back on and really gritted, gutted it out and
Speaker 2: made such a gutsy play and it just, you know,
Speaker 2: by that much, just it kills you.
Speaker 3: But that's football.
Speaker 1: So I was planning to talk Chiefs to start the
Speaker 1: game in general, because they're the defending super Bowl champions
Speaker 1: back to back, they won the game. For a lot
Speaker 1: of this game, they felt like they controlled it. And
Speaker 1: yet I actually do want to start here because we're
Speaker 1: on it with Likely, because to me, he was a
Speaker 1: revelation in this game. Nine catches for one hundred and
Speaker 1: eleven yards and absolutely sick forty nine yard touchdown catch
Speaker 1: and where he just makes an absolutely ridiculous heavy and
Speaker 1: it was just a strange night from the Ravens offense
Speaker 1: that they were waiting for insane individual plays by a
Speaker 1: handful of players. So it was Isaiah Likely, Zay Flowers,
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson, and Lamar ran for one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty two yards in this game. He threw for two
Speaker 1: seventy three and a touchdown, and yet it felt a
Speaker 1: little scattered, a little uncomfortable for him. I'm curious if
Speaker 1: one of your takeaways from this game, because this is
Speaker 1: another thing that I'm going to say that I learned
Speaker 1: in this game was it was almost too reliant on
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's legs. That this formula, at least on Thursday night,
Speaker 1: running the ball sixteen times for one to twenty two
Speaker 1: and taking a lot of hits was probably too much
Speaker 1: like they were counting on his playmaking too much in
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2: You saw him at times check into runs as well.
Speaker 2: I thought that it was Honestly, I think that once
Speaker 2: he irons out the rest of it, I think that
Speaker 2: this will be really special to watch for him, a
Speaker 2: really special season to watch for him, because you saw
Speaker 2: him take that ownership of this offense. And you don't
Speaker 2: just check into runs because you say so. You are
Speaker 2: allowed to do that because you're collaborating with your coaching
Speaker 2: staff to do that. So it's not like he was
Speaker 2: just playing hero like this was the game plan right
Speaker 2: to give him the option to do so if he
Speaker 2: saw it. He clearly saw tons of space one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty two yards, like you said, in seven point
Speaker 2: six yards on per carry on sixteen carries, and and
Speaker 2: you know they had a hard time containing him if
Speaker 2: he had. This is the thing that I that I
Speaker 2: am stuck on because Isaiah likely is such a great
Speaker 2: partner for him. I mean the ad libbing that they
Speaker 2: did together on that touchdown. You know, I called it
Speaker 2: the Mattador move where he sort of stood at at
Speaker 2: the at the goal line and just allowed the defender
Speaker 2: just whish right by him and then walked in for
Speaker 2: the touchdown. But that was an ad like Lamar made
Speaker 2: a spot throw on that play, he was working out
Speaker 2: a structure and escaping pressure like he was often and
Speaker 2: particularly you know, through to a spot that he knew
Speaker 2: Isaiah likely would be because the two have worked at
Speaker 2: it together and they've ad lib But but I think
Speaker 2: once he gets another one more element that shows up,
Speaker 2: one more element that that comes alive, gives dimension to
Speaker 2: this passing because they you could tell they were trying.
Speaker 2: They thought they were going to come out and run
Speaker 2: the ball a lot, but they couldn't at a certain
Speaker 2: point becase because they fell to a deficit. And then
Speaker 2: Lamar took matters into his own hands. And again he's
Speaker 2: given the autonomy to do that, and he had the
Speaker 2: space to do that on the field. It's just you
Speaker 2: need one more dimension here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's listen to Mike Turrico on the call for
Speaker 1: NBC on that long Isaiah likely touchdown which got the
Speaker 1: Ravens back in the game when they were down by
Speaker 1: a couple of scores in the second half.
Speaker 4: Quarter begins with second and seventeen and the Chiefs leading
Speaker 4: by ten. Lamar and Jackson case by snel parlopis to
Speaker 4: likely down field Hi sa I likely with a clock
Speaker 4: down a sideline, likely totally.
Speaker 5: Up town touch down bare.
Speaker 4: Lamar kept it alive and likely finished the run. And
Speaker 4: the Ravens are right back in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that came when it was twenty to ten.
Speaker 1: Very first play of the fourth quarter. Likely is what
Speaker 1: a third year player. And I think any one that
Speaker 1: took him in fantasy leagues, and anyone that took Mark
Speaker 1: Andrews in fantasy leagues is wondering like who got the
Speaker 1: one and who got the two? Because when I'm watching
Speaker 1: this Ravens offense, I'm thinking, man, they are so reliant
Speaker 1: on Zay Flowers to be big time and that likely
Speaker 1: could be the next most dynamic player, and tight ends
Speaker 1: take a little while to develop. I would caution Mark
Speaker 1: Andrews very quiet in this game. He was on the
Speaker 1: field a ton. He just missed two entire weeks of
Speaker 1: practice after a pretty serious car accident. So this is
Speaker 1: kind of a preseason game, except you have to play
Speaker 1: sixty snaps for a lot of players, So just hold
Speaker 1: off on making too many takeaways there. But I will
Speaker 1: point out we talked twelve personnel. If you were with
Speaker 1: us on NFL Daily, like back in mid July one
Speaker 1: of our very first shows with Nate Tice where we
Speaker 1: just totally dorked out and Jordan, you talked about how
Speaker 1: many more teams are going to use twelve personnel more. Well,
Speaker 1: I've got some numbers for you from next Gen stats.
Speaker 1: The Ravens had two tight ends one running back on
Speaker 1: the field in over half their snaps tonight fifty two percent,
Speaker 1: which would have led the league by far. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to do that every game,
Speaker 1: but I do think we're going to see more heavy sets.
Speaker 1: It's certainly something the Chiefs like to do too. They
Speaker 1: had two tight ends thirty six percent of the time.
Speaker 1: Noah Gray was really big for them. I want to
Speaker 1: throw it to you to give me more of a
Speaker 1: Chiefs takeaway and lesson because we should give the two
Speaker 1: time defending champs. They're flowers. They got it done the
Speaker 1: toughest matchup possible in Week one at home. It's I
Speaker 1: know it's a tough spot for the Ravens, but ultimately
Speaker 1: like it's a tough spot for the Chiefs too. To
Speaker 1: start this way, so a great, great way for them
Speaker 1: to start their season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and segueing into that too, like I want to
Speaker 2: give Dave Merritt, the Chiefs defensive backs coach, his flowers
Speaker 2: here because I think a big, a big you're like,
Speaker 2: I didn't see that jersey of it, you know, he he,
Speaker 2: I think deserves some flowers here because there was a
Speaker 2: clear you know, there's a clear plan to try to
Speaker 2: get some of these downfield guys at least try to
Speaker 2: get them open, get them looks at. There was at
Speaker 2: least some element of that from the Ravens game plan,
Speaker 2: particularly once they set up some of the play action
Speaker 2: and those types of things. But you saw pops and
Speaker 2: flashes from a couple of these Chiefs corners, a couple
Speaker 2: of these DB's. I'm thinking in particular of a play
Speaker 2: where I thought, I need to go make sure I
Speaker 2: know and reiterate who the DB's coach of this football
Speaker 2: team is. Obviously Steve Spagnola deserves a ton of credit
Speaker 2: for his game plan, but specifically with that position after
Speaker 2: Lugarius sneed leaves. You know, I'm looking at Jalen Watson
Speaker 2: that play he made downfield against I believe it was Zayflowers,
Speaker 2: So ironically, I'm saying, give Dave merritt As.
Speaker 1: Thrown there, ye Lamar. That was two straight throws in
Speaker 1: this game, and it was a bit of a trend
Speaker 1: that Lamar had an up and down game throwing the
Speaker 1: ball down the field. Missed a lot, I think missed
Speaker 1: a few throws down the field, but you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: great closing speed there by Jalen Watson, and it's just
Speaker 1: like what they do is they uncover these cornerbacks, and it.
Speaker 2: Was there was a second awareness or a second effort
Speaker 2: by a lot of these players on the Chiefs that
Speaker 2: comes with experience and playing together as a unit and
Speaker 2: also coaching in the same continuity for a long time
Speaker 2: that sometimes in the second half you were a little
Speaker 2: bit concerned about, and even at point in the first half,
Speaker 2: the second effort push for Pacheco that touchdown the rollover.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really hard play to be aware
Speaker 2: of in the first place. But you just saw some
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs defenders and the dbs particularly make some
Speaker 2: of those second effort plays, and I'm actually sure you
Speaker 2: know I would I would imagine the Ravens are going
Speaker 2: to be talking about tomorrow morning or Friday morning in
Speaker 2: the film room about okay, well, you know what we
Speaker 2: how do we follow through here? What do we do here?
Speaker 2: I was like to put a cap on the Ravens here.
Speaker 2: I was impressed in the first half with that defensive unit.
Speaker 2: They looked a lot tighter than I thought they would be.
Speaker 2: But then obviously it's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6: What are you going to do?
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy is rebounding his own bad at pass.
Speaker 2: I thought Trenton Simpson was going to give the Ravens
Speaker 2: a chance, and he kind of did there.
Speaker 3: He gave him a chance. But Patrick Mahomes like, want
Speaker 3: a contested catch?
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, let's stop you right there. Let's set
Speaker 1: it up for the listeners of the situation. Very interesting.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs get the ball back. The Ravens have no
Speaker 1: timeouts at this point. We'll get to that later because
Speaker 1: it's one of my big takeaways. But the Chiefs get
Speaker 1: the ball back. I think it was with over five
Speaker 1: minutes to go, but they have a first down with
Speaker 1: about three and a half minutes to go. They run
Speaker 1: the ball in first down two yards for Pacheco. Get
Speaker 1: a little conservative, perhaps run it again on second down
Speaker 1: with Carson Steele am I getting his like, do I
Speaker 1: have this name memorized by now? Since he was a
Speaker 1: fun presence in this game. But he had no chance
Speaker 1: on that play. Rokwan Smith breaks into the backfield and
Speaker 1: gets him for a two yard loss. Suddenly you're third
Speaker 1: and ten. It's one of the reasons why I love
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. A lot of coaches in that spot would
Speaker 1: call something safe to keep the clock moving. It's two
Speaker 1: minutes and forty seconds left, it's third and ten. You're
Speaker 1: on your own. Thirty calls a regular drop back. Mahomes
Speaker 1: doesn't see anything. Finally sees a receiver flashing over the middle.
Speaker 1: And here's what we hear on the call.
Speaker 4: First down here funk just one up for k she
Speaker 4: It's my Homes under pressure, stepping up the flat and
Speaker 4: it's just gonna be a game of a yard Looks
Speaker 4: like Lamar caught his own deflected pass the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: We talk all off season about these teams and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah and all the different thing and sometimes games
Speaker 1: come down to trent Trenton Simpson, who I thought had
Speaker 1: a really good game. He's Patrick Queen's replacement. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to rewatching this on Friday. But to me, he
Speaker 1: flashed and showed a lot of the athleticism in the
Speaker 1: running game in a couple times in the passing game,
Speaker 1: and that could have been the game winning play off.
Speaker 1: The ball just bounces a little different and he's able
Speaker 1: to catch it. But instead you see a quarterback with
Speaker 1: a contested catch. I've never he's got to finish with
Speaker 1: the highest contested catch percentage in the NFL this year.
Speaker 1: Mahomes should finish one for one and that not only
Speaker 1: you know, kept the ball with the Chiefs, which was massive,
Speaker 1: but kept the clock moving to the point where the
Speaker 1: Ravens only had a in fifty seconds left after the
Speaker 1: Chief's punt to go down the field or else you know,
Speaker 1: who knows the Ravens are in great shape there. So
Speaker 1: that was just a fun athletic play by Mahomes in
Speaker 1: a game where like he finishes twenty for twenty eight
Speaker 1: for two ninety one, one touchdown, one interception on a
Speaker 1: truly bad decision which could have cost them late in
Speaker 1: the second quarter. He also has you know, two rushes
Speaker 1: for three yarts and you think like, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: pretty pedestrian game, and yet he was awesome in this game,
Speaker 1: you felt like, other than that one interception, he had
Speaker 1: total control and he had Patrick Mahomes. Are you more optimistic?
Speaker 1: Do you have any like takeaways about this Chief's offense
Speaker 1: after watching them in this game?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, so many, so many, because this
Speaker 2: was a team we talked about all freaking off season
Speaker 2: about oh, what are they going to do with this
Speaker 2: new group of you know, with receivers, and oh, what's
Speaker 2: Pacheco gonna what's his role going to be? And oh,
Speaker 2: you know, is Kelsey washed and get a ton of
Speaker 2: action this game he was blocking a lot, but he
Speaker 2: and then he had that ad lib play speaking of
Speaker 2: you know, tight ends and quarterbacks ad libbing together a
Speaker 2: great ad lib play, one of their classics that you
Speaker 2: know they throw out once every couple weeks or so
Speaker 2: between Travis Kelce and Patrick Mahomes. But you know this,
Speaker 2: this was Xavier Worthy's debut into the public. I he
Speaker 2: had two touchdowns off his first three touches and like,
Speaker 2: let me hedge for a second or caveat or whatever
Speaker 2: their correct word is that you know, late at night
Speaker 2: when we're when we're recording this, but one of those
Speaker 2: was a blown coverage. You know Marlon Humphrey was looking
Speaker 2: for help in the back, the deeper part behind him
Speaker 2: in the field and fine, but.
Speaker 1: That was on the thirty five yard touchdown in the
Speaker 1: second half that gave them a two score lead. Again,
Speaker 1: that was kind of their answer to that likely long
Speaker 1: touchdown that we just talked about.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but I think more proof of concept of
Speaker 2: what the Chief's offense is really going to exploit and
Speaker 2: try to do this year was evident on the first
Speaker 2: play his first touch of the game, the touchdown, and
Speaker 2: it was the fake handoff to Pacheco.
Speaker 3: And it was a reverse Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 2: He got an escort block from Noah Gray and who
Speaker 2: just signed an extension by the way, and that speed
Speaker 2: and navigation through his downfield blocking which was prodigious at
Speaker 2: that point and really started with that tone setting block
Speaker 2: by Noah Gray. It just was and it was it
Speaker 2: was a short It technically was a quote unquote short
Speaker 2: yardage play. What a lot of people have talked about
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs all off season is the explosive pass,
Speaker 2: so air yards pass and explosive pass play and getting
Speaker 2: behind the defense, which again on the blown coverage, he
Speaker 2: did get behind the defense quite literally but in stuff
Speaker 2: like what I've been sort of honking about all off
Speaker 2: season is I think you're going to see some of
Speaker 2: this dolphins s combination of speed and timing footwork and
Speaker 2: quick throws in order to exploit the middle of the
Speaker 2: field in ways that deep passes actually can exploit it,
Speaker 2: just depending on if your receiver can actually get to
Speaker 2: the spot of the throw or in this case, use
Speaker 2: the speed and the downfield blocking to take a what
Speaker 2: is a short technically a short concept this reverse and
Speaker 2: turn it into a huge gain and in this case
Speaker 2: a score.
Speaker 3: And I want to go to a statistic that I was.
Speaker 2: Sort of monitoring throughout the game, because this is where
Speaker 2: speed really matters.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we look at throw time and we're.
Speaker 2: Like, ooh, throw time, Oh my god, you know all
Speaker 2: he does is check down. That's actually not the case here.
Speaker 2: I looked in the third, like late in the third quarter,
Speaker 2: because I felt like the way the game was trending,
Speaker 2: maybe you're going to watch the Chiefs try to close
Speaker 2: things out in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought this game was going to end quickly,
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs were going to quickly. We were texting,
Speaker 1: and I was wrong about that. It did end quickly,
Speaker 1: but it was a lot of action.
Speaker 2: But okay, so at that point late in the third
Speaker 2: when I when I checked in, I'm looking at my
Speaker 2: piles of notes here. By the way, you can you
Speaker 2: guys can all laugh at me for what a nerd
Speaker 2: I am. So in twenty twenty three, Patrick Mahomes was
Speaker 2: throwing his aver time to throw corder the next gen
Speaker 2: was two point nine to seven seconds. That was the
Speaker 2: above league average, which was two point eight through this
Speaker 2: those three quarters of this game, he was at two
Speaker 2: point six to two seconds per throw on average. However,
Speaker 2: his yards per attempt was ten point five. So and
Speaker 2: for comparison, Lamar Jackson at that point was also at
Speaker 2: at that exact moment, was also at two point six
Speaker 2: to two seconds per throw, but was at five and
Speaker 2: a half yards per attempt. So basically afraid of their
Speaker 2: so's it's a total it's a total difference in what
Speaker 2: they're doing is they're using the sort of what the
Speaker 2: Dolphins have showed, and that that reverse was, by the way,
Speaker 2: looked like a very Dolphins ESQ play And I'm sure
Speaker 2: other teams will now borrow it from Andy Reid because
Speaker 2: that's just how this goes, he got to go first,
Speaker 2: and now people are gonna steal from him. But this
Speaker 2: this is about exploiting the way that defenses drop from
Speaker 2: back to front or the way they have to backpedal
Speaker 2: from front to back, depending on the type of footwork
Speaker 2: and the type of throw they see the quarterback making,
Speaker 2: depending on the cadence, depending on the motions, and if
Speaker 2: you have speed players the way that the Chiefs Now
Speaker 2: do and the way that the Dolphins do, but the
Speaker 2: way especially the Chiefs Now have showed that they do,
Speaker 2: you can basically make the plays look like they will
Speaker 2: require either a deeper drop from the defender or it's
Speaker 2: the type of footwork that makes you think that they're
Speaker 2: either going to go or they're going to go quick game,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the speed of the
Speaker 2: player whips them around behind the defender because they've dropped
Speaker 2: too deep. You can disguise things when you have speed
Speaker 2: like that. You can disguise the type of throw and
Speaker 2: speed throw or not that you're doing. And that's what
Speaker 2: you could kind of see Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs
Speaker 2: offense do because you're seeing them open up the middle
Speaker 2: of the field less. So maybe even the deepest parts
Speaker 2: of it, but actually the middle of the field. Using
Speaker 2: all of this game changing speed in combination with some
Speaker 2: of the ways they're layering their concepts and also some
Speaker 2: of the misdirection that they're using pre and at snap,
Speaker 2: and all of those things in tandem are great. But
Speaker 2: if you have that game altering speed like we saw
Speaker 2: with exavier space on the field that would not otherwise
Speaker 2: be opened with the exact same concepts are going to
Speaker 2: be open and the player is getting there faster, the
Speaker 2: quarterback can get the.
Speaker 1: Homes talked about it to Mike Tarico. I thought that
Speaker 1: was very telling that and I know you were excited
Speaker 1: about this because this is something that you were talking
Speaker 1: about in the off season, how the speed can open
Speaker 1: up some of the shorter routs, and that was exactly
Speaker 1: what Mahomes. So you Patrick Mahomes roughly the same football minds,
Speaker 1: and it's telling that he said it. But to your point,
Speaker 1: some numbers on that the only deep throw he had
Speaker 1: all night was that busted coverage touchdown, but it was
Speaker 1: actually one of the only three touchdowns that he's thrown
Speaker 1: over twenty yard air yards since Tyreek Hill left, which
Speaker 1: is totally insane. Three and two years in a game
Speaker 1: that's insane. But he was four for seven in the
Speaker 1: intermediate area. He did have that interception there, but they
Speaker 1: had ninety four yards on those seven throws and a
Speaker 1: lot of the biggest plays came on that. Noah Gray
Speaker 1: is gonna be involved. We'll see about Kelsey. I'm not
Speaker 1: worried that he had a quiet night. It's to me,
Speaker 1: it's cool to see him out there blocking his ass
Speaker 1: off at thirty four As someone that was always a
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey is not even in the same ballpark of
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski in terms of how dominant a player is.
Speaker 1: It's been pretty awesome to see how Kelsey has evolved
Speaker 1: and it's just a total dog and there will be
Speaker 1: some games where he's quiet. You only have thirty four
Speaker 1: yards receiving in this game, but you mentioned Worthy and
Speaker 1: we don't even have Markis Brown in this game. He's
Speaker 1: injured and it's probably gonna be back in week two
Speaker 1: or three. It does not sound like it's going to
Speaker 1: be longer. And that was my takeaways. Just as the
Speaker 1: Chiefs juice is back, Reid spit in the dial, a
Speaker 1: lot of funky, fun formations, a lot of creativity. I
Speaker 1: think Worthy's helping that. I think Carson Steele's gonna help that.
Speaker 1: I think Noah Gray getting better and better it is
Speaker 1: gonna help that. And obviously Mahomes can handle everything, but
Speaker 1: Worthy is the key to everything. And it's not about
Speaker 1: like all the Bills gave up Worthy and what a
Speaker 1: dope we'll see. I think Worthy's gonna have a great year.
Speaker 1: I said it. I was high on Worthy coming into
Speaker 1: the draft. He was one of my one of my
Speaker 1: you know guys. I thought he was underrated because he
Speaker 1: just wasn't a speed guy. Uh but he is also
Speaker 1: a speed guy and he can be set up on
Speaker 1: touchdowns where he doesn't have to do that much. Let's
Speaker 1: hear the first one, because that was to me kind
Speaker 1: of his welcome to the NFL, but in a positive way.
Speaker 1: Moment his rushroom touchdown early in the game. Take it away, Mike,
Speaker 1: grab at the name plate. There, I get you the fifteen.
Speaker 4: It wasn't inside the opening.
Speaker 1: This is the speedy man.
Speaker 4: Say if you're working to.
Speaker 5: His first touchdown, Tansas City touchdown man.
Speaker 7: We dated our auto racing guys here to call this one.
Speaker 7: Watch him take this turn four point two one seconds
Speaker 7: no more worries about whether or not Chanceas City has
Speaker 7: any speed feed.
Speaker 1: Very cool. Oh you can honk about Chris Collinsworth and
Speaker 1: you could you could be Oh, this guy's two folksy
Speaker 1: or whatever. I love it. Hong kong golly, I'm into it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you don't have you don't have
Speaker 1: to use the word honk. I saw when you say
Speaker 1: you said honk. You said it with a little smirker
Speaker 1: almost distaste on your face, as if like it's a
Speaker 1: rule that we pass out when you, you know, sign
Speaker 1: up with NFL daily, that you have to say honky.
Speaker 2: You have to seek, must honk this much to participate.
Speaker 2: So okay, so we are again too, We're.
Speaker 1: Going to go deep on this show. Keep going. I'll
Speaker 1: take it. By the way, great rookie class, great rookie
Speaker 1: class performance by the Chiefs and Brett Veach.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about that in the highlight when
Speaker 2: people go back and watch this game again, watch number
Speaker 2: eighty three, the at snap motion slash movement that he
Speaker 2: does in order to basically he basically moves open that
Speaker 2: hole with the immediate movement of that motion, and then
Speaker 2: he flips all the way around and comes back across
Speaker 2: as almost like an escort blocker, but he already opened
Speaker 2: the gap, so basically a pre escort blocker, and so
Speaker 2: he and then he sets the first part of that
Speaker 2: gap with his block. So that's this type of stuff
Speaker 2: that happens in the middle of these plays that like
Speaker 2: Andy Reid is a mastermind of, because it's not just
Speaker 2: about Xavier Worthy and.
Speaker 3: How that was a fantastic moment.
Speaker 2: By the way, I saw a clip of Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: making sure going into the stands, making sure he got
Speaker 2: his ball for him. That was his first NFL touch
Speaker 2: and it was a touchdown. Patrick Mahomes ran all the
Speaker 2: way down to celebrate and then also ran like looking
Speaker 2: around for the official just to make sure the Xavier
Speaker 2: Worthy can keep that for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: That's so special. That's a great quarterback, a great leader
Speaker 2: right there as well to do that. But that type
Speaker 2: of mid play or in play movement that just in space,
Speaker 2: just a little bit more in sequence.
Speaker 3: It's boom boom, boom, boom boom.
Speaker 2: And you're watching Patrick Mahomes and you're watching where he's
Speaker 2: going with the ball, so you're not even noticing that
Speaker 2: this other gap opens up. Because of the movement that
Speaker 2: Noah Gray is doing. That to me is what makes
Speaker 2: this so electric, this Chiefs offense. It just it does
Speaker 2: not get old to me. And and man, we haven't
Speaker 2: even talked about it.
Speaker 1: It's always different. Like Kingsley, Sue of Matea is a
Speaker 1: rookie left tackle out there looking like a solid starting
Speaker 1: NFL tackle in his very first game. If they found
Speaker 1: a left tackle and Xavier Worthy in this draft, that
Speaker 1: is how you keep dynasties going by paying the Chris Joneses,
Speaker 1: who had a nice game, you know, first half, he's
Speaker 1: picking on the Ravens guards. He's picking out matchups that
Speaker 1: he wants. So you have your stars show up, of course,
Speaker 1: but you're going to need to have some cost control
Speaker 1: younger players to keep this thing going, like the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: you mentioned Jalen Watson and like these rookies. And yeah,
Speaker 1: if Sue Matea ends up being an upgrade, it's a
Speaker 1: little early. It's not the toughest pass rush in the
Speaker 1: world to go against Baltimore, but a really promising start
Speaker 1: for him. I do think the defensive coaching though for
Speaker 1: the Ravens, it was like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: concern They had to take the timeouts early in the
Speaker 1: second half because they weren't ready. I think there was
Speaker 1: one in the first half actually like that too, and
Speaker 1: those timeouts really ended up hurting them. That's a situation
Speaker 1: where you might want to just let them run the
Speaker 1: play whatever is your problem on the field, the timeouts
Speaker 1: are actually worth more. It's like when Sean McVay burns
Speaker 1: timeouts on offense. It's the same principle you had the
Speaker 1: busted coverage. There was some confusion where it just wasn't
Speaker 1: as tight as the Ravens defense. But I will warn
Speaker 1: anyone wanting to overreact here. The Ravens defense tends to
Speaker 1: start slow and really figure things out as the season
Speaker 1: goes along. That was even true with Mike McDonald. Wasn't
Speaker 1: as dramatic certainly last year and a year or two
Speaker 1: of mcdumb. But there's a lot going on and so
Speaker 1: they had a lot to deal with tonight and talent.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be fine. I'm not too worried
Speaker 1: about the Ravens defense.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, did you notice how much.
Speaker 2: Drama and theater and razzle dazzle that the younger Hockily
Speaker 2: put into his calls particularly, you could see him like
Speaker 2: almost start to get annoyed by the fact that he
Speaker 2: was calling so many penalties for that pre stap alignment
Speaker 2: for Ronnie.
Speaker 1: Stanley that was crazy in the very first drive of
Speaker 1: the game and the Ravens get a touchdown and it
Speaker 1: was so impressive because they had to overcome three formation
Speaker 1: penalties where they got on Randy Ronnie Stanley. And this
Speaker 1: was a priority in the preseason two of guys lining
Speaker 1: up off the line of scrimmage or not you know,
Speaker 1: aligned with the guard. And it was almost like they
Speaker 1: told them going into the game, like make this a
Speaker 1: point so everyone watching stops doing it. And I saw
Speaker 1: it in the preseason two and I yes, I find
Speaker 1: it very interesting that they put Sean Hockeyly in this
Speaker 1: big spot. Uh, it's the first game of the season.
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing. Sean Hockeyly is kind of
Speaker 1: like the next ref. Star has a lot of buzz
Speaker 1: actually as a as a really good ref, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: better than his dad. Some people are saying.
Speaker 2: Some people, yeah, some people, some people close to Sean
Speaker 2: Hockey are saying.
Speaker 3: But no, I think so.
Speaker 2: I think that I love a dramatic ref. Frankly like,
Speaker 2: as long as the calls are good, Like I love
Speaker 2: a dramatic rep. My other sort of subtly favorite non
Speaker 2: football moment Waspags going running down the field to call
Speaker 2: to try to call one of the timeouts, and only
Speaker 2: a head coach can do that. And I put out
Speaker 2: a post on on Twitter. I was like, go Stpags,
Speaker 2: manifest it, man like, because you know he's gonna he's
Speaker 2: he deserves to get the poppy. What you know, he
Speaker 2: was a coach and defensive coordinator, one of the best
Speaker 2: every year and and really certainly is his unit, as
Speaker 2: you know, missing a couple of personnel. I was, I
Speaker 2: was impressed. Chris Jones is Chris Jones. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't really know what else there is to say. I
Speaker 2: also am curious that this got a little gas.
Speaker 1: Though at the end of the game, Like I went
Speaker 1: and looked at the end of the game. Though he
Speaker 1: only had three pressures in this game, they were memorable,
Speaker 1: you bet.
Speaker 2: But he forced the FuMB forced the fumble, which I
Speaker 2: thought was was a really good play. And then you know,
Speaker 2: you're you're aware of him knowing this, covering aardonald for
Speaker 2: so many years, Like you're just so aware of where
Speaker 2: he is at all times. You could tell it was
Speaker 2: affecting even some of the tight end usage that the
Speaker 2: Ravens were able to deploy being in twelve personnel so
Speaker 2: much because of just having to account for him and
Speaker 2: give some of their own players a little bit more help.
Speaker 2: I'm curious about I want to ask the Sports science
Speaker 2: department for the Chiefs. They will never tell me, but
Speaker 2: I'm curious about how many miles total leos Chanal actually
Speaker 2: ran today.
Speaker 3: He was all over the field, twenty five rushes.
Speaker 2: As you know, obviously as a blitzer, then he was
Speaker 2: kind of the spy sometimes. I mean, obviously that was
Speaker 2: tough because Lamar ran. For what he did, I mean
Speaker 2: it was incredible, but being used as that at times
Speaker 2: he had three pressures batted the ball could have been
Speaker 2: a touchdown the past. The Lamar pass that he batted.
Speaker 2: But I really am curious, Like man, that dude look
Speaker 2: gassed at.
Speaker 3: The end too.
Speaker 2: I would be, I mean, I don't know who wouldn't
Speaker 2: be that. I'd like to know how many miles he
Speaker 2: actually ran today.
Speaker 1: Week one is such a different game. These guys are
Speaker 1: really building their bodies up. Week two. I think you
Speaker 1: can see that as well, But you mentioning Chanal like
Speaker 1: linebacker every year was such a bugaboo, including in the
Speaker 1: Spagnolo era in Kansas City. They couldn't get it right.
Speaker 1: They tried free agents, they tried draft picks, and they've
Speaker 1: just hit these last couple of years. Dude, Tranquil, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was hurt in this game. No,
Speaker 1: he played a full amount of steps. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the next gen sets. I'm geeking out that a lot
Speaker 1: of the next general we live dots. Now, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have participation, but him and Shanel are out there every
Speaker 1: snap basically in this game, and they played fantastic and
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton was out there even more. He was there
Speaker 1: really every step. So they had three linebackers on the
Speaker 1: field most snaps and again cost controlled guys. Tranquill signed
Speaker 1: a contract there, but it's pretty reasonable, and then you
Speaker 1: have two guys that are affordable, especially Leo Chanal. I
Speaker 1: think Nick Bolton's going to get a nice contract in
Speaker 1: the offseason. I do want to just circle back to
Speaker 1: Lamar because I know there's going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation on Lamar in this game, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if he had like he had a great fantasy
Speaker 1: day and he made it happen. At the end. It
Speaker 1: was a little up and down in terms of his passing.
Speaker 1: I mentioned the deep passing. He was one for five
Speaker 1: throwing the ball over twenty yards down the field and
Speaker 1: and most of those he had a chance to make
Speaker 1: a big play. But other than that, he completed a
Speaker 1: high percentage of his passes and they did move the ball.
Speaker 1: They start the game with a where he has to
Speaker 1: overcome his offensive line and he runs for over one
Speaker 1: twenty like he was sick. But I thought he went
Speaker 1: out with a per to do that. And I didn't
Speaker 1: see these quotes from the Washington Post until the game
Speaker 1: had started, but I want to read them to you, Jeordan.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've you've heard it.
Speaker 3: I don't think i've seen Yeah, I probably have.
Speaker 1: They put this game into context. He said how I'm
Speaker 1: feeling right now? And this was back in June actually,
Speaker 1: when when Kent bab was really good to the interview.
Speaker 1: Said I wish I was feeling like this body wise
Speaker 1: in the AFC Championship game, we would have won the game.
Speaker 1: I would have been able to move round for my
Speaker 1: guys with me just hurdy and can't move. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I know if my legs were good, like we would
Speaker 1: have won that s word, we wouldn't even have to
Speaker 1: thrown the ball. F throwing the ball. So that's that's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting to have that comment F throwing the ball.
Speaker 2: I mean objectively, overall, he is a great thrower of
Speaker 2: the football.
Speaker 3: So that's wow.
Speaker 1: I had. Although if he has one bugaboo, it is
Speaker 1: probably the vertical throws, and that he came into this
Speaker 1: game almost with a mindset of like, if the throw
Speaker 1: is not there, if the play's not there, just run.
Speaker 1: And he did take a lot of hits in this game.
Speaker 1: But the whole idea of like Lamar lost weight and
Speaker 1: Lamar is quicker this year and the old Lamar runner
Speaker 1: is back, It's like, yeah, that wasn't just a phony narrative.
Speaker 1: Whether he can keep that up for seventeen weeks, I
Speaker 1: don't know. But to my eye, he did have more
Speaker 1: juice today. I like, maybe don't take quite like he
Speaker 1: is usually so great at avoiding big hits, and he
Speaker 1: took two I would say two to three today that
Speaker 1: we're a little dicey. He was hitting that spin move
Speaker 1: button and it was a beautiful thing to watch, but
Speaker 1: it was it was a lot on Lamar's play. It
Speaker 1: was like a little too much, like he wanted this
Speaker 1: game so badly. You could tell I don't think you
Speaker 1: want to do that week after week obviously, and have
Speaker 1: him carry the ball like three hundred and twenty five times.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I said before, I thought that the Chiefs defense
Speaker 2: played good, a good relatively objecting sort of overall a
Speaker 2: good game against this receiving specifically receiving core. Isaiah likely
Speaker 2: obviously found his spots at tight end, but I also
Speaker 2: maybe pushed back just a little. Although I don't think
Speaker 2: we're disagreeing at all. I don't think he was always
Speaker 2: running with just running in mind. Like a lot of
Speaker 2: these plays that he made, he was running looking to
Speaker 2: throw first and looking for the opportunity of the moment.
Speaker 2: The All twenty two coming out tonight or tomorrow will
Speaker 2: reveal a lot more about where receivers were because on
Speaker 2: your broadcast, RECEECI no, no, and like he's escaping pressure,
Speaker 2: he's escaping pressure. He found Isaiah as a person. I
Speaker 2: think this was a really great moment for the two
Speaker 2: of them to understand that they in live action like this,
Speaker 2: they really can add lib together like that, because it
Speaker 2: seems like if pressure is like this on a regular
Speaker 2: basis against this group of linemen, and they're going to
Speaker 2: need they're going to need that to happen, similar to
Speaker 2: how we've seen at times Patrick Mahomes escape pressure and
Speaker 2: extend plays with Travis Kelce. I mean, this is this
Speaker 2: was sort of that moment for me where I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: these two are going to be great partners for a
Speaker 2: long time if they keep it up like this. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, I don't think that, uh,
Speaker 2: I think that he just you could see he was looking.
Speaker 2: He was looking to make sure okay, especially if the
Speaker 2: pocket was pushed around the outsides of him. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's obviously a lane right there, and I can get
Speaker 2: ten yards or you know, seven point six yards per carry.
Speaker 2: I can get an easy eight. Pick up an easy
Speaker 2: eight right now. But he was lowering his shoulder into
Speaker 2: these hits, and he was really trying to I think,
Speaker 2: set a tone as a captain, as a leader on
Speaker 2: this team that this is the brand of football that
Speaker 2: they're going to try to play, this physical style of football,
Speaker 2: and I think they would have run the ball with
Speaker 2: pure running backs, you know a little bit more had
Speaker 2: they not been in a deficit, had they not wanted
Speaker 2: to try to push the ball a little bit as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we go, just any little nuggets.
Speaker 3: That you have, Oh, let me get my let me
Speaker 3: flick through.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, We appreciate it. But when you brought
Speaker 1: up I'm glad is that. Yeah, Justice Hill had a
Speaker 1: lot of buzz in Raven's training camp that he was
Speaker 1: going to be a key part of this team. We
Speaker 1: actually talked about that on NFL Dailysis. Sometimes we're on
Speaker 1: the things. He played more than Derrick Henry in this game.
Speaker 1: He played third downs primarily, it was very close the
Speaker 1: snap count. He only had one carry to Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: who was thirteen for forty six. Didn't have a ton
Speaker 1: of room. But he's on the field for all these
Speaker 1: third down six catches fifty two yards for Justice Hill,
Speaker 1: third most amount of targets on the team. Flowers ends
Speaker 1: up with ten targets for thirty seven yards, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned likely with twelve Mark Andrews very quiet in this game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, more Justice Hill in this game than Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: Are you at all concerned about the offensive line for
Speaker 1: the Ravens. I would say that that was probably if
Speaker 1: I had to choose one thing from either of these teams,
Speaker 1: that would just concern me. And it's Week one. I
Speaker 1: think both of these teams are going to be great,
Speaker 1: but just like this needs to improve as the season
Speaker 1: goes along or else you're not going to be in
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship Game. It would be the Ravens offensive line,
Speaker 1: pass protection poor overall, the new guards rotating at right tackle,
Speaker 1: and then the running game, like they need to be great,
Speaker 1: I think, and they're not gonna. They're not great and
Speaker 1: cohesive yet, so I think they have a little ways
Speaker 1: to go for the Ravens offensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like and again to bring up Lushanaligan,
Speaker 2: it's not like his pressure stats specifically are you know,
Speaker 2: out of this world. He was sent quite a bit,
Speaker 2: but a couple of times, especially late in the game.
Speaker 2: I mean you saw especially coming around that that right side,
Speaker 2: you just you saw that there was a struggle there
Speaker 2: and that's you know, that just can't that can't happen.
Speaker 2: And you also saw again you saw they had to
Speaker 2: use tight end help quite a bit. I think they
Speaker 2: want to stay in twelve personnel because their tight ends
Speaker 2: are good players, but they want to use them as
Speaker 2: weapons in the passing game, a little bit quicker at
Speaker 2: the snap versus having to stay and chip and then
Speaker 2: roll out things like that that just kind of take time.
Speaker 2: They just sort of in a way, if pressure is
Speaker 2: getting from the other side, if the guy you want
Speaker 2: to throw the ball to has to wait a second
Speaker 2: and chip for you on the other side, that actually
Speaker 2: helps the pressure on the other side because you're holding
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just that kind of thing. It just
Speaker 3: there's a ripple effect. And yeah, that's long story short.
Speaker 2: I am concerned about that, but it's one game, So.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna wrap up with one final play
Speaker 1: that we want to listen to because I don't want
Speaker 1: it to get lost in the shuffle. This is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest teams of all time, in a run
Speaker 1: that rivals any team's run over a four year period,
Speaker 1: and now they're trying to extend it out for one
Speaker 1: more season, not just three in a row. But you know,
Speaker 1: having that Super Bowl appearance, having the Super Bowl a
Speaker 1: few years before that, it's it's just incredible what they're
Speaker 1: doing and It's incredible that tonight Patrick Mahomes, in only
Speaker 1: seventh year, is now the all time leading passer for
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. And he did it on this
Speaker 1: throw to Travis Kelce and twelve Trump beholds.
Speaker 4: Runs away the fire Trump run count.
Speaker 5: Too line a perfect play for Patrick Mahomes to set
Speaker 5: the Chiefs record for most passing yards passing the legendary
Speaker 5: Lenny Dawson.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got the shot right up to the
Speaker 1: booth with Taylor. Well, you have the Ravens defenders crashing
Speaker 1: into each other like the Keystone Cops as Mahomes runs
Speaker 1: away from three guys and throws it on a hop.
Speaker 1: Just what an incredible player. Yeah right. I never want
Speaker 1: to take it for granted. And it's a big deal
Speaker 1: that they won this game. If they lost it, we
Speaker 1: would say, you know, it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 1: And yet they're trying to get home field advantage in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They have an easy division, they have an
Speaker 1: easy schedule. They have probably the easiest schedule of any
Speaker 1: of the truely elite Super Bowl contenders coming into the year,
Speaker 1: and they just won one of the toughest games and
Speaker 1: have the tiebreaker over the Ravens. So the way season
Speaker 1: ended is the way this one started, Jordan. You know,
Speaker 1: it feels different for me how this season is starting,
Speaker 1: so that's familiar. But I'm so excited that you were
Speaker 1: here for this first show, and obviously you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a big part of the show on Wednesdays all year,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll do some more T and F recaps.
Speaker 1: This was fun. Let us know, by the way, everyone
Speaker 1: in the in the comments and it certainly everyone listening
Speaker 1: if you like doing it live, and we'll try to
Speaker 1: do that more often. Thanks, Thanks Jordan.
Speaker 3: I was terrified to do this live, but I had
Speaker 3: a blast.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of when I'm covering, you know, covering
Speaker 2: a game and thinking through everything and talking about my
Speaker 2: notes and looking at my charts and flipping through a
Speaker 2: billion pages. And I just had and I actually got
Speaker 2: to like talk to someone else and not just to
Speaker 2: myself inside my own head.
Speaker 3: So thanks Greg.
Speaker 1: That is it for the recap of an incredible kickoff game,
Speaker 1: Chiefs win twenty seven twenty Thanks again to Jordan Rodrieg
Speaker 1: for joining me. I'm gonna throw to a new section
Speaker 1: of the show that we're gonna try each week I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pick some games against the spread with my friend
Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland right after the break. Okay, I am here
Speaker 1: with Cynthia Freeland. She's done maybe seventy four different shows
Speaker 1: for NFL media during the week, including NFL Game Debut,
Speaker 1: which you should watch, where we pick all the games.
Speaker 1: But this is the most important one because this is
Speaker 1: the one where you're going up against me one.
Speaker 8: On one, you versus me for the Smug Picture Awards.
Speaker 1: Okay, so do we do? We call this model versus machine?
Speaker 1: You talk a lot about your statistical model, whereas I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of going off off vibes, off feelings. We're
Speaker 1: gonna pick three games every week. I'm very excited about
Speaker 1: this name against the spread. We're gonna keep track. The
Speaker 1: number three felt right, just like we don't want this
Speaker 1: to be too long. We're only picking our best games.
Speaker 1: It can be man versus machine, which is you know,
Speaker 1: complimentary to me, man, that's nice, machine. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you're more than just a machine. You're you're full of.
Speaker 8: I feel like, I mean, the machines are amazing because
Speaker 8: they're reliable, right, and I feel like I'm gonna be
Speaker 8: more reliable in these game picks. So man versus machine
Speaker 8: works totally fine, okay, or isn't the model's good too?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 8: Okay, so you don't get confused what a model is.
Speaker 8: But I'm not like an Instagram model, my got computer modeler.
Speaker 1: It is a little confused. So we're gonna maybe we'll
Speaker 1: let the listeners.
Speaker 8: Yes they can, they can tell us what they can
Speaker 8: tell us.
Speaker 1: And I'm really excited. So we're gonna pick three games
Speaker 1: every week against the spread. We'll just throw out what
Speaker 1: we like. We'll keep track, and I'm gonna start with
Speaker 1: the Bills. This was the one early in the week
Speaker 1: I knew. I saw that it was six and a half,
Speaker 1: and I liked it as my survivor pick. I like
Speaker 1: them to win the Super Bowl. I'm trying not to
Speaker 1: just fall in love with like my season long pick,
Speaker 1: because that's not a good thing to do in Week one.
Speaker 1: But I look at this matchup and I think.
Speaker 9: Who is rushing the passer for the Arizona Cardinals food
Speaker 9: a Baker? I mean, who is stopping the for the
Speaker 9: Arizona Cardinals, the Baker. I just think it's gonna be
Speaker 9: such a high number that the Bills put up but
Speaker 9: I like Kyler Murray in this game. I drafted him
Speaker 9: like it's gonna be a high score. But they are
Speaker 9: so thin and the Bills have a sound enough defense that, yeah,
Speaker 9: they have some problems that I think they give up
Speaker 9: twenty five twenty eight points.
Speaker 1: I feel good about this. I am not going to
Speaker 1: take heavy favorites too often, I think at the end
Speaker 1: of these weeks. But we'll see. But in a week
Speaker 1: one where there's so much uncertainty, I feel good about
Speaker 1: the Bills minus six point five as my first pick
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 8: What about you, Well, I mean, I have like nine
Speaker 8: or almost ten points in that game, so I clearly
Speaker 8: agree with you on that one.
Speaker 6: But I'm going to go.
Speaker 8: Someplace that feels a little bit more. Oh, I don't know,
Speaker 8: like a Monday night barn burner where Mark Jets come
Speaker 8: in to Santa Clara.
Speaker 6: And upset the forty nine hours.
Speaker 8: So in other words, if you're telling me I can
Speaker 8: also have three and a half points to go with them, then.
Speaker 1: I have or in some places it's four and a
Speaker 1: half in some places. Who depends where you get in.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't even know. I feel like it,
Speaker 1: come straight up, I like them.
Speaker 6: To just win.
Speaker 8: Jets end up one to zero after this weekend, Why, well,
Speaker 8: they're O line completely retooled. That is a huge, massive deal,
Speaker 8: especially when you already have a runner in Breeze Hall.
Speaker 6: That's I know.
Speaker 8: Everyone is like, oh, Christian McCaffrey's a great Yes, we
Speaker 8: understand he's great too, But I'm talking about why the
Speaker 8: Jets could have this upset. The Jets team top to bottom,
Speaker 8: their starters are really really good, and you've got Aaron
Speaker 8: Rodgers coming back. I understand it's a series injury, but
Speaker 8: you know what Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6: Likes to do. He likes to prove everyone wrong.
Speaker 8: All this petty Aaron Rodgers is one of the best
Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers to see. This is like an MVP year, right,
Speaker 8: Like you think he comes back and he looked a
Speaker 8: little rusty in twenty two, didn't play in twenty three.
Speaker 6: This is it feels like the model for how you
Speaker 6: would come out and be an MVP in twenty three.
Speaker 1: Right. So on game debut, we have to pick every
Speaker 1: game against the spread. I was with you that the
Speaker 1: Jets covering this game. I don't even feel that strong
Speaker 1: about the forty nine ers winning the game. So we're
Speaker 1: in agreement. But the Jets are not going to be
Speaker 1: one of my three picks. So we'll see there.
Speaker 6: I go big or go home.
Speaker 1: Yet, Steelers plus three and a half. So I'm taking
Speaker 1: two favorites this week, which I don't love. This are
Speaker 1: the one underdog I'm taking. I kind of like taking
Speaker 1: the points in Week one. In general, there's just so
Speaker 1: much uncertainty. I would love to take a team that
Speaker 1: has more than three points that I think is gonna
Speaker 1: win the game. That's the case for the Steelers in
Speaker 1: this I don't care who starts at quarterback. We're taping
Speaker 1: this on Thursday afternoon, and it's uncertainty. If Justin Field starts,
Speaker 1: I think they win. If Russell Wilson starts, I also
Speaker 1: think that they win this game straight up. Like the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Founts. Yeah, no, straight up. Atlanta Falcons were like
Speaker 1: a four win team last year. I know there, I
Speaker 1: know they won more games than that in reality, but
Speaker 1: if you look at this, it's almost profile they were
Speaker 1: very lucky. They they played such a bad schedule and
Speaker 1: they barely won a lot of those games. And to me, uh,
Speaker 1: I look at the Steelers defense as like the one
Speaker 1: group in this game that I know what I'm getting.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm getting with Kirk Cousins. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm getting with this offense. I do
Speaker 1: think I'm getting a pretty bad Steelers offense overall and
Speaker 1: a pretty bad Falcons defense overall. So give me the
Speaker 1: front seven, give me Dealers plus five.
Speaker 8: I love it.
Speaker 1: We are plus minus three and a half.
Speaker 8: We are completely not aligning this one because I have
Speaker 8: Atlanta winning by five points, so.
Speaker 1: That would mean that I'm on That's not one of
Speaker 1: your three picks.
Speaker 6: No, no it's not. I'm just telling you where I stand
Speaker 6: on this one.
Speaker 8: Before we were aligned kumbayam moment, Greg Andson, happy little campers.
Speaker 6: Now we are staunch opponents.
Speaker 8: Okay, my third one and New Orleans I'm not I'm
Speaker 8: actually surprised that you didn't take this one. But okay,
Speaker 8: so my model is very conservative. We can talk about
Speaker 8: this because this is a different format. There's certain breakpoints
Speaker 8: that become where things become more kind of known and
Speaker 8: more more kind of stable, And fifty eight percent is
Speaker 8: where where it's at. This one's fifty five points seven,
Speaker 8: So New Orleans to win is like way up over sixty,
Speaker 8: it's sixty four.
Speaker 6: Point nine percent.
Speaker 8: New Orleans to win by at least four points happens
Speaker 8: in fifty five points step. That's a very high number, Carolina.
Speaker 8: Just first of all, Brian Burns is now in New York, right,
Speaker 8: And I also didn't know what was going on their defense.
Speaker 8: I don't know if they did not sust it. Like
Speaker 8: I think this is going to be a situation where
Speaker 8: we see New Orleans people like, oh, like all these
Speaker 8: rumors we hear, like, oh, how mu Kamara is back
Speaker 8: and Crystal Lave is wonderful and obviously and then you know,
Speaker 8: it's just kind of part of it is a function of.
Speaker 6: Who they're gonna play.
Speaker 8: I just don't see that there's anyone on that Panthers
Speaker 8: defense that's going to stop them.
Speaker 1: They're so thin in the secondary. I thought this number
Speaker 1: was a little crazy too. It's funny because we're a
Speaker 1: green so much, and that means essentially, I'm rooting for
Speaker 1: your picks, but I'm really not.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 1: Like the man versus machine. Yeah, and versus model is
Speaker 1: very rainmaker versus the model, Like I want to win.
Speaker 6: You're the rain Maker. Now you just branded yourself the
Speaker 6: rain maker, Come.
Speaker 1: On, get up to speed. Been the rain maker, been
Speaker 1: making it rain for years, and it's not going to
Speaker 1: be raining in the in the Superdome. But I had
Speaker 1: this game seventeen ten, like I think it'll be a
Speaker 1: low scoring game. But either way, I trust the Saints
Speaker 1: in this matchup, all right. My final pick is going
Speaker 1: to be Bucks minus three and a half. Huh against
Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. So are we saying with that three
Speaker 1: and a half and in some places it's three that
Speaker 1: the Commanders and the Bucks are even. Really, I think
Speaker 1: we're getting a little too over our skis here with
Speaker 1: I'm not Jayden Daniels in the town. I just mean
Speaker 1: that number. I love this one. Maybe I would have
Speaker 1: picked it first. If I'm putting it in order of confidence,
Speaker 1: it's right there for me. I think this is an
Speaker 1: underrated team. I think they have great continuity in terms
Speaker 1: of their players versus a Washington team which really doesn't
Speaker 1: and doesn't in terms of the coaching staff. I feel
Speaker 1: good about Bucks minus three and a half.
Speaker 8: I mean, look, I completely agree with you on that one.
Speaker 6: I think part of the reason that.
Speaker 8: Maybe it's so low is because there's a history of
Speaker 8: Cliff Kingsbury starting off seasons really strong.
Speaker 6: It's like he pulls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they re mode't go into that.
Speaker 6: Oh I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. Does Vegas get into that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well of course they look at who the players are.
Speaker 8: My model gets into that big time, which is why
Speaker 8: season long. One of my strongest things is that Jayden
Speaker 8: Daniels is gonna throw for at least threeenty twenty five yards,
Speaker 8: so more than that.
Speaker 6: So just just keep that in mind.
Speaker 8: Put that one a little feather in your cap right there,
Speaker 8: and you stole my other one, So I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: Wait, now you can pick it too. I like it
Speaker 1: if we agree on our third two.
Speaker 6: Agree, but I want to talk about the Lions.
Speaker 1: Okay, then go for a different there, Okay, So.
Speaker 8: I'm taking I'm having my my Motor City kiddies to
Speaker 8: also win. I understand that your daughter is a massive
Speaker 8: fan of the Rams, and this is not a pick
Speaker 8: against her because I love her the most. But I
Speaker 8: love my Lions too, and I think at home, I
Speaker 8: love Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 6: I keep saying love, but it is true.
Speaker 8: But I'm looking at the Lions and I'm looking at
Speaker 8: this old line and there's no Aaron Donald. The defense
Speaker 8: is completely retooled. They're missing pieces in the secondary. So
Speaker 8: I think this is going to be a high.
Speaker 1: And a half against a good team or forward or whatever.
Speaker 1: Then three is it depends what you know, It depends
Speaker 1: where you get it. You know.
Speaker 8: I'm just I want to at least pick something a
Speaker 8: little more spicy.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, why not?
Speaker 8: Have we got a little spices. We can't agree on everything,
Speaker 8: all right? So because we're best friends, you are going
Speaker 8: because we're best friends, is they're gonna need to agree
Speaker 8: on everything.
Speaker 1: I don't have a best friend friends. We're friends, I
Speaker 1: mean best that's like a wow. Well we've been doing
Speaker 1: this show six years. It's fun. I am excited to
Speaker 1: pick some games against the spread against you all year.
Speaker 1: So to recap, I have Bills minus six and a half.
Speaker 1: I have the Steelers plus three and a half. I
Speaker 1: have the Bucks minus three and a half. You are
Speaker 1: taking the Jets, the Saints, and the Lions. I don't
Speaker 1: really disagree with any of yours, and yet you know
Speaker 1: we have different picks. The Saints were on We're probably
Speaker 1: the next pick I was going to make. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're out there, and you're looking for other ones, like
Speaker 1: I kind of like the Colts, kind of like the Chargers,
Speaker 1: kind of like the Jets, but I didn't like them
Speaker 1: as much so Bills the point Bucks. Okay, so we
Speaker 1: just not straight out on that one. And for just
Speaker 1: this one week. And yeah, if you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 1: you'll see that we're in a nice Stage five studio.
Speaker 1: It's it's strange taste taping a podcast here. I've never
Speaker 1: done it before, but for Justice one Week kind.
Speaker 8: Of feels like we're like in our house, you know,
Speaker 8: like we just sit awkwardly in chairs facing the same direction,
Speaker 8: not each other, like that's how we normally talk.
Speaker 1: Justice one week because it's going into the season and
Speaker 1: I got a lot of tweets, and I figure, like,
Speaker 1: why not just throw it out there. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to ask you to do this.
Speaker 6: No, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Some of my season long over unders before we get
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: If you are a listener and you heard me with
Speaker 1: Mina Kimes and Kevin Clark, this was three or four
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I heard the draft picks where Bill's over
Speaker 1: nine and a half. Huh, I went bears under nine
Speaker 1: and a half. That was a little spicy as my
Speaker 1: number two pick. I feel a little weird about that,
Speaker 1: honestly now, but I do like it. Texans over nine
Speaker 1: and a half feel great about that, and forty nine
Speaker 1: ers under eleven and a half.
Speaker 6: Fout off a few of them. I've done my win total.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna get to you. So those are the
Speaker 1: four I took, and now that I look at it,
Speaker 1: that was going maybe a little extra spice more than
Speaker 1: just confidence, because I gotta say I feel even more
Speaker 1: confident in Seahawks over seven and a half. I feel
Speaker 1: even more confident in Cowboys under nine and a half.
Speaker 1: That's one of mine, too, Okay, so we're in agreement.
Speaker 1: The other two, I like Brown's under eight and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm just fading that defense being as good this year
Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson maybe making them worse at quarterback. And
Speaker 1: in the Bucks. We just talked about the Bucks over
Speaker 1: seven and a half. So those are those are like
Speaker 1: my eight favorite. I don't know if you have any takeaways.
Speaker 8: Okay, So off the top of my head here, I
Speaker 8: know I like the Seattle one.
Speaker 6: I have a full game ahead of that's for me.
Speaker 8: A full game is like never, you know, my like
Speaker 8: I said, models very conservative, but I think that one's
Speaker 8: a great one. I also think that I have I
Speaker 8: have the I'm on the other side of that bears
Speaker 8: angle from you. I have the Patriots to have.
Speaker 1: It's one of your favorites to under four and a half.
Speaker 8: Wow, I'm sorry, it's not a very nice one.
Speaker 1: I had that in my super duper long list that
Speaker 1: they'd be over because that just seems rude.
Speaker 6: But I just seems low.
Speaker 8: But I but I but you trade away Matt Judohn
Speaker 8: this late in the game, Like it's just hard to
Speaker 8: reproduce that kind of pass rush.
Speaker 1: That's I know, But four and a half it's a crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy low number. I also on my longer list went
Speaker 1: Chiefs over eleven and a half. Like every year the Chiefs
Speaker 1: kind of get that. I know they didn't like.
Speaker 8: I think I have eleven point four for them, But
Speaker 8: to me, that's not strong enough to to say it.
Speaker 6: I have. I have the Eagles winning the NFC.
Speaker 1: Though you have the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, which
Speaker 1: is crazy. So you like there over as well.
Speaker 8: I do like their over and I like the lines
Speaker 8: over there at ten and a half. I have them
Speaker 8: at ten point eight. Or ten point seven.
Speaker 1: We're gonna dork out on this every week. Yeah, Vikings
Speaker 1: in that division, I like them over six and a half.
Speaker 8: Yes, oh, and the other one I like a lot.
Speaker 8: This doesn't sound crazy. The Broncos over five and a half.
Speaker 8: That is that is bananas?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 8: You know why because the Broncos get to play the NFC.
Speaker 1: South and they get to play in the AFC westoosh
Speaker 1: On Thanes never had a season close to that bad
Speaker 1: that one. I'm with you, I'm not really that high
Speaker 1: on the Broncos, and yet I.
Speaker 6: Feel, no, no, you don't have to be that high.
Speaker 6: Five and a half. Yeah, five, it's it's six. They
Speaker 6: have to win. That's it. Six.
Speaker 1: So we're going to dark out. I like the NFL
Speaker 1: daily every week. Different flavors.
Speaker 6: Thank you, you're like crushing it. This is a lot
Speaker 6: of work.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: But I like that there are different flavors to each show.
Speaker 1: We've never done a pure sort of picks almost word gambling.
Speaker 1: Oh the g word, you can say it. It's not
Speaker 1: because we don't gamble. We're saying games against the spread,
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. A game within a game. I
Speaker 1: think that's more fun than picking it straight up. So
Speaker 1: we'll see how we do over the course of the season.
Speaker 1: We're going to do this each and every week. Tell
Speaker 1: us what you want to hear, but that the three
Speaker 1: picks each and every week. She is the best in
Speaker 1: the business at doing it. It has been a blast
Speaker 1: all week on NFL Daily, but the week's not over.
Speaker 1: I will be back on Friday night recapping the game. Yes,
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Speaker 1: We will see you then wrapping up Eagles and Packers,
Speaker 1: saying thank you, Cynthia. This is We're going to be
Speaker 1: doing it every week. We'll see you then