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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where our toe is always in bounds.

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Speaker 1: We are here on the very first game of the year,

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Speaker 1: Chiefs win twenty seven to twenty. I am Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: so lucky today to be joined by Jordan Rodrigue. We

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Speaker 1: are going live on YouTube, so hello to all the

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Speaker 1: people out there watching on YouTube, but most of you

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Speaker 1: listening to us in your ears. Jordan, I apologize to

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Speaker 1: the gods at the NFL for ever doubting that this

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Speaker 1: should be the game. I was like, oh, why you

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Speaker 1: want to burn Ravens Chiefs right off the bat. This

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Speaker 1: was an incredible way to start the season, and I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy to be starting it with you. I know.

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Speaker 2: It lived up to all the hype that I had

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Speaker 2: in my brain about football being back, and to use

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Speaker 2: my Greg impression, I'm so happy. We texted in the

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Speaker 2: third second quarter about halftime. We tacked on my phone

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Speaker 2: for a minute halftime just to catch up on just

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Speaker 2: ideas and thoughts, and both of us just took kind

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Speaker 2: of a moment and just thought, oh so happy right now,

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Speaker 2: like football being back, and it's this this, these steaks

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Speaker 2: and toe, My goodness, we're here.

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Speaker 3: We're back.

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Speaker 1: We're We're such dorks, And yes I'm a dork. I'm

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Speaker 1: like sending out the link as we're actually.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm trying to like avate my screen here, sorry,

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Speaker 2: etp behind the glass, and it might be fit.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to go through this game, but

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Speaker 1: I think the easiest way to do it is, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we'll start at the end, but we'll also take a

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Speaker 1: lot of lessons from this game and talk about what

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Speaker 1: we learned in this game. And you know, the first

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Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna say I learned in this game is

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Speaker 1: something we've known, but I think it's even more true

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Speaker 1: now than ever, which is that the Chiefs can win

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Speaker 1: in so many different ways. And yes, you could say

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Speaker 1: they got a little fortunate. At the end of this game,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson missed a couple open receivers in the end zone.

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Speaker 1: Ravens are trailing twenty seven to twenty. They get the

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Speaker 1: ball with no timeouts, with one minute and fifty seconds,

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Speaker 1: they have to drive the length of the field. He

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Speaker 1: makes a nice throw down into the red zone. They

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Speaker 1: waste a lot of time on a Za Flowers catch,

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Speaker 1: and then he misses a couple receivers and then yes,

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Speaker 1: he delivers a ball to Isaiah Likely who is just

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Speaker 1: out of the end of the end zone. Let's listen

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Speaker 1: to Mike Turrico making that call and then unfortunately the

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Speaker 1: call by the referee right afterwards.

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Speaker 4: It's four your bar trying to make that happens throwing.

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Speaker 1: In zone my way took me down. Yes, touch, So

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Speaker 1: Runners told hit out of bound.

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Speaker 5: It's a hand to prepay.

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Speaker 1: The game is over. Here's the city's long.

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Speaker 4: Twenty seven to twenty the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: We're not opening night by a choke. So that was

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Speaker 1: the call from Mike Tarico. What like a rollercoaster of

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Speaker 1: emotions there. This felt like a game to me, Jordan

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Speaker 1: that the Chiefs should have won, that they probably were

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Speaker 1: the better, more under control team throughout, and yet at

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Speaker 1: the end everyone is gassed. Week one is so much

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Speaker 1: different than other weeks, and the Ravens are going to

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Speaker 1: look back on this as a missed opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of missed opportunities here, I think, particularly

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Speaker 2: in the second half. You know that the new Zach

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Speaker 3: I knew that this is not a lesson.

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Speaker 2: This is not something I didn't know, but I had

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Speaker 2: an existential moment thinking about that. I'm thirty two, I

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Speaker 2: have not done anything like this is and I was

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Speaker 2: impressed with his defense. The first half they had some busts.

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Speaker 2: A second half they had some issues. Obviously, the Xavier

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Speaker 2: Worthy second touchdown was a huge one in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Looked like Marlon Humphrey was seeking some safety help there

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Speaker 2: and Xavier Worthy got behind him, and it just it

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Speaker 2: reiterates how if you leave the door a crack open,

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Speaker 2: or if you miss a throw, or if you have

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Speaker 2: you know, a size you know for fourteen and a

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Speaker 2: make you pay for it. This is not anything we

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Speaker 2: didn't know. But man, was this a good game. This

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Speaker 2: was a fun game. I'm heartbroken for Isaiah Likely. He

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Speaker 2: had an incredible, incredible game and seemed to really get

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Speaker 2: hurt at the end there landing on his shoulder, comes

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Speaker 3: But that's football.

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Speaker 1: So I was planning to talk Chiefs to start the

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Speaker 1: game in general, because they're the defending super Bowl champions

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Speaker 1: back to back, they won the game. For a lot

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Speaker 1: yet I actually do want to start here because we're

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Speaker 1: on it with Likely, because to me, he was a

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Speaker 1: revelation in this game. Nine catches for one hundred and

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Speaker 1: and where he just makes an absolutely ridiculous heavy and

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Speaker 1: it was just a strange night from the Ravens offense

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Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson, and Lamar ran for one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy three and a touchdown, and yet it felt a

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Speaker 1: little scattered, a little uncomfortable for him. I'm curious if

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Speaker 1: one of your takeaways from this game, because this is

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Speaker 1: another thing that I'm going to say that I learned

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Speaker 1: in this game was it was almost too reliant on

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's legs. That this formula, at least on Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: running the ball sixteen times for one to twenty two

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Speaker 1: and taking a lot of hits was probably too much

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Speaker 1: like they were counting on his playmaking too much in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 2: You saw him at times check into runs as well.

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Speaker 2: I thought that it was Honestly, I think that once

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Speaker 2: he irons out the rest of it, I think that

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Speaker 2: this will be really special to watch for him, a

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Speaker 2: really special season to watch for him, because you saw

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Speaker 2: him take that ownership of this offense. And you don't

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Speaker 2: just check into runs because you say so. You are

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Speaker 2: allowed to do that because you're collaborating with your coaching

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Speaker 2: staff to do that. So it's not like he was

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Speaker 2: just playing hero like this was the game plan right

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Speaker 2: saw it. He clearly saw tons of space one hundred

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Speaker 2: six yards on per carry on sixteen carries, and and

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Speaker 2: you know they had a hard time containing him if

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Speaker 2: am stuck on because Isaiah likely is such a great

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Speaker 2: the touchdown. But that was an ad like Lamar made

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Speaker 2: a spot throw on that play, he was working out

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Speaker 2: particularly you know, through to a spot that he knew

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Speaker 2: Isaiah likely would be because the two have worked at

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Speaker 2: it together and they've ad lib But but I think

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Speaker 2: once he gets another one more element that shows up,

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Speaker 2: one more element that that comes alive, gives dimension to

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Speaker 2: this passing because they you could tell they were trying.

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Speaker 2: They thought they were going to come out and run

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Speaker 2: point becase because they fell to a deficit. And then

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Speaker 2: Lamar took matters into his own hands. And again he's

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Speaker 2: given the autonomy to do that, and he had the

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Speaker 2: space to do that on the field. It's just you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's listen to Mike Turrico on the call for

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Speaker 1: NBC on that long Isaiah likely touchdown which got the

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Speaker 1: Ravens back in the game when they were down by

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Speaker 4: Quarter begins with second and seventeen and the Chiefs leading

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Speaker 4: by ten. Lamar and Jackson case by snel parlopis to

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Speaker 4: likely down field Hi sa I likely with a clock

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Speaker 5: Up town touch down bare.

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Speaker 4: Lamar kept it alive and likely finished the run. And

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Speaker 4: the Ravens are right back in.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that came when it was twenty to ten.

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Speaker 1: Very first play of the fourth quarter. Likely is what

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Speaker 1: a third year player. And I think any one that

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Speaker 1: took him in fantasy leagues, and anyone that took Mark

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Speaker 1: Andrews in fantasy leagues is wondering like who got the

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Speaker 1: this Ravens offense, I'm thinking, man, they are so reliant

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Speaker 1: on Zay Flowers to be big time and that likely

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Speaker 1: take a little while to develop. I would caution Mark

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Speaker 1: Andrews very quiet in this game. He was on the

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Speaker 1: practice after a pretty serious car accident. So this is

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Speaker 1: kind of a preseason game, except you have to play

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Speaker 1: sixty snaps for a lot of players, So just hold

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Speaker 1: off on making too many takeaways there. But I will

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Speaker 1: point out we talked twelve personnel. If you were with

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Speaker 1: just totally dorked out and Jordan, you talked about how

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Speaker 1: many more teams are going to use twelve personnel more. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've got some numbers for you from next Gen stats.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens had two tight ends one running back on

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Speaker 1: the field in over half their snaps tonight fifty two percent,

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Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to do that every game,

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Speaker 1: but I do think we're going to see more heavy sets.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly something the Chiefs like to do too. They

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Speaker 1: had two tight ends thirty six percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: Noah Gray was really big for them. I want to

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Speaker 1: throw it to you to give me more of a

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Speaker 1: Chiefs takeaway and lesson because we should give the two

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Speaker 1: time defending champs. They're flowers. They got it done the

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Speaker 1: toughest matchup possible in Week one at home. It's I

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Speaker 1: know it's a tough spot for the Ravens, but ultimately

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Speaker 1: like it's a tough spot for the Chiefs too. To

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and segueing into that too, like I want to

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Speaker 2: give Dave Merritt, the Chiefs defensive backs coach, his flowers

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Speaker 2: here because I think a big, a big you're like,

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that jersey of it, you know, he he,

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Speaker 2: I think deserves some flowers here because there was a

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Speaker 2: clear you know, there's a clear plan to try to

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Speaker 2: get them open, get them looks at. There was at

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Speaker 2: least some element of that from the Ravens game plan,

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Speaker 2: know and reiterate who the DB's coach of this football

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Speaker 2: team is. Obviously Steve Spagnola deserves a ton of credit

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Speaker 2: for his game plan, but specifically with that position after

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Speaker 2: Was there was a second awareness or a second effort

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Speaker 2: I was like to put a cap on the Ravens here.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the guy is rebounding his own bad at pass.

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Speaker 2: I thought Trenton Simpson was going to give the Ravens

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Speaker 4: like Lamar caught his own deflected pass the AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 1: We talk all off season about these teams and blah

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Speaker 1: Mahomes should finish one for one and that not only

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Speaker 1: you felt like, other than that one interception, he had

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Speaker 1: Do you have any like takeaways about this Chief's offense

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, so many, so many, because this

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Speaker 2: you know, is Kelsey washed and get a ton of

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but I think more proof of concept of

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Speaker 3: And it was a reverse Xavier Worthy.

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Speaker 2: He got an escort block from Noah Gray and who

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Speaker 3: And I want to go to a statistic that I was.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes we look at throw time and we're.

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Speaker 2: Like, ooh, throw time, Oh my god, you know all

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Speaker 1: I thought, I thought this game was going to end quickly,

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Speaker 1: and I was wrong about that. It did end quickly,

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Speaker 2: But okay, so at that point late in the third

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Speaker 1: Homes talked about it to Mike Tarico. I thought that

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Speaker 1: that's insane. But he was four for seven in the

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Speaker 1: intermediate area. He did have that interception there, but they

439
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Speaker 1: had ninety four yards on those seven throws and a

440
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: lot of the biggest plays came on that. Noah Gray

441
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Speaker 1: is gonna be involved. We'll see about Kelsey. I'm not

442
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Speaker 1: worried that he had a quiet night. It's to me,

443
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Speaker 1: it's cool to see him out there blocking his ass

444
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Speaker 1: off at thirty four As someone that was always a

445
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey is not even in the same ballpark of

446
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Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski in terms of how dominant a player is.

447
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Speaker 1: It's been pretty awesome to see how Kelsey has evolved

448
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Speaker 1: and it's just a total dog and there will be

449
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Speaker 1: some games where he's quiet. You only have thirty four

450
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Speaker 1: yards receiving in this game, but you mentioned Worthy and

451
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Speaker 1: we don't even have Markis Brown in this game. He's

452
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Speaker 1: injured and it's probably gonna be back in week two

453
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Speaker 1: or three. It does not sound like it's going to

454
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Speaker 1: be longer. And that was my takeaways. Just as the

455
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Speaker 1: Chiefs juice is back, Reid spit in the dial, a

456
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Speaker 1: lot of funky, fun formations, a lot of creativity. I

457
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Speaker 1: think Worthy's helping that. I think Carson Steele's gonna help that.

458
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: I think Noah Gray getting better and better it is

459
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Speaker 1: gonna help that. And obviously Mahomes can handle everything, but

460
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Speaker 1: Worthy is the key to everything. And it's not about

461
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Speaker 1: like all the Bills gave up Worthy and what a

462
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Speaker 1: dope we'll see. I think Worthy's gonna have a great year.

463
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Speaker 1: I said it. I was high on Worthy coming into

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Speaker 1: the draft. He was one of my one of my

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Speaker 1: you know guys. I thought he was underrated because he

466
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Speaker 1: just wasn't a speed guy. Uh but he is also

467
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Speaker 1: a speed guy and he can be set up on

468
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Speaker 1: touchdowns where he doesn't have to do that much. Let's

469
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Speaker 1: hear the first one, because that was to me kind

470
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Speaker 1: of his welcome to the NFL, but in a positive way.

471
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Speaker 1: Moment his rushroom touchdown early in the game. Take it away, Mike,

472
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Speaker 1: grab at the name plate. There, I get you the fifteen.

473
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Speaker 4: It wasn't inside the opening.

474
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Speaker 1: This is the speedy man.

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Speaker 4: Say if you're working to.

476
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Speaker 5: His first touchdown, Tansas City touchdown man.

477
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Speaker 7: We dated our auto racing guys here to call this one.

478
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Speaker 7: Watch him take this turn four point two one seconds

479
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Speaker 7: no more worries about whether or not Chanceas City has

480
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Speaker 7: any speed feed.

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Speaker 1: Very cool. Oh you can honk about Chris Collinsworth and

482
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: you could you could be Oh, this guy's two folksy

483
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. I love it. Hong kong golly, I'm into it.

484
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, you don't have you don't have

485
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Speaker 1: to use the word honk. I saw when you say

486
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Speaker 1: you said honk. You said it with a little smirker

487
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: almost distaste on your face, as if like it's a

488
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: rule that we pass out when you, you know, sign

489
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Speaker 1: up with NFL daily, that you have to say honky.

490
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Speaker 2: You have to seek, must honk this much to participate.

491
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Speaker 2: So okay, so we are again too, We're.

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Speaker 1: Going to go deep on this show. Keep going. I'll

493
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Speaker 1: take it. By the way, great rookie class, great rookie

494
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Speaker 1: class performance by the Chiefs and Brett Veach.

495
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that in the highlight when

496
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Speaker 2: people go back and watch this game again, watch number

497
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Speaker 2: eighty three, the at snap motion slash movement that he

498
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: does in order to basically he basically moves open that

499
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 2: hole with the immediate movement of that motion, and then

500
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: he flips all the way around and comes back across

501
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: as almost like an escort blocker, but he already opened

502
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: the gap, so basically a pre escort blocker, and so

503
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: he and then he sets the first part of that

504
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: gap with his block. So that's this type of stuff

505
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Speaker 2: that happens in the middle of these plays that like

506
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Speaker 2: Andy Reid is a mastermind of, because it's not just

507
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: about Xavier Worthy and.

508
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Speaker 3: How that was a fantastic moment.

509
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: By the way, I saw a clip of Patrick Mahomes

510
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: making sure going into the stands, making sure he got

511
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: his ball for him. That was his first NFL touch

512
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: and it was a touchdown. Patrick Mahomes ran all the

513
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Speaker 2: way down to celebrate and then also ran like looking

514
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: around for the official just to make sure the Xavier

515
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Speaker 2: Worthy can keep that for the rest of his life.

516
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: That's so special. That's a great quarterback, a great leader

517
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: right there as well to do that. But that type

518
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: of mid play or in play movement that just in space,

519
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: just a little bit more in sequence.

520
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Speaker 3: It's boom boom, boom, boom boom.

521
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Speaker 2: And you're watching Patrick Mahomes and you're watching where he's

522
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Speaker 2: going with the ball, so you're not even noticing that

523
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: this other gap opens up. Because of the movement that

524
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Speaker 2: Noah Gray is doing. That to me is what makes

525
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: this so electric, this Chiefs offense. It just it does

526
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Speaker 2: not get old to me. And and man, we haven't

527
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Speaker 2: even talked about it.

528
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Speaker 1: It's always different. Like Kingsley, Sue of Matea is a

529
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Speaker 1: rookie left tackle out there looking like a solid starting

530
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: NFL tackle in his very first game. If they found

531
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Speaker 1: a left tackle and Xavier Worthy in this draft, that

532
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: is how you keep dynasties going by paying the Chris Joneses,

533
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Speaker 1: who had a nice game, you know, first half, he's

534
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: picking on the Ravens guards. He's picking out matchups that

535
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Speaker 1: he wants. So you have your stars show up, of course,

536
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Speaker 1: but you're going to need to have some cost control

537
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: younger players to keep this thing going, like the cornerbacks

538
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned Jalen Watson and like these rookies. And yeah,

539
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: if Sue Matea ends up being an upgrade, it's a

540
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: little early. It's not the toughest pass rush in the

541
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: world to go against Baltimore, but a really promising start

542
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: for him. I do think the defensive coaching though for

543
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: the Ravens, it was like a little bit of a

544
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: concern They had to take the timeouts early in the

545
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: second half because they weren't ready. I think there was

546
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Speaker 1: one in the first half actually like that too, and

547
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: those timeouts really ended up hurting them. That's a situation

548
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: where you might want to just let them run the

549
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: play whatever is your problem on the field, the timeouts

550
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: are actually worth more. It's like when Sean McVay burns

551
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: timeouts on offense. It's the same principle you had the

552
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: busted coverage. There was some confusion where it just wasn't

553
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: as tight as the Ravens defense. But I will warn

554
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: anyone wanting to overreact here. The Ravens defense tends to

555
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: start slow and really figure things out as the season

556
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: goes along. That was even true with Mike McDonald. Wasn't

557
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: as dramatic certainly last year and a year or two

558
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: of mcdumb. But there's a lot going on and so

559
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: they had a lot to deal with tonight and talent.

560
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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be fine. I'm not too worried

561
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Speaker 1: about the Ravens defense.

562
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you, did you notice how much.

563
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Speaker 2: Drama and theater and razzle dazzle that the younger Hockily

564
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: put into his calls particularly, you could see him like

565
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: almost start to get annoyed by the fact that he

566
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: was calling so many penalties for that pre stap alignment

567
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: for Ronnie.

568
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Speaker 1: Stanley that was crazy in the very first drive of

569
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Speaker 1: the game and the Ravens get a touchdown and it

570
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: was so impressive because they had to overcome three formation

571
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: penalties where they got on Randy Ronnie Stanley. And this

572
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: was a priority in the preseason two of guys lining

573
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: up off the line of scrimmage or not you know,

574
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: aligned with the guard. And it was almost like they

575
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: told them going into the game, like make this a

576
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Speaker 1: point so everyone watching stops doing it. And I saw

577
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Speaker 1: it in the preseason two and I yes, I find

578
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Speaker 1: it very interesting that they put Sean Hockeyly in this

579
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: big spot. Uh, it's the first game of the season.

580
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing. Sean Hockeyly is kind of

581
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: like the next ref. Star has a lot of buzz

582
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Speaker 1: actually as a as a really good ref, maybe maybe

583
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Speaker 1: better than his dad. Some people are saying.

584
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Speaker 2: Some people, yeah, some people, some people close to Sean

585
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: Hockey are saying.

586
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: But no, I think so.

587
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: I think that I love a dramatic ref. Frankly like,

588
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: as long as the calls are good, Like I love

589
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: a dramatic rep. My other sort of subtly favorite non

590
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: football moment Waspags going running down the field to call

591
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: to try to call one of the timeouts, and only

592
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: a head coach can do that. And I put out

593
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: a post on on Twitter. I was like, go Stpags,

594
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: manifest it, man like, because you know he's gonna he's

595
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: he deserves to get the poppy. What you know, he

596
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: was a coach and defensive coordinator, one of the best

597
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: every year and and really certainly is his unit, as

598
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, missing a couple of personnel. I was, I

599
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: was impressed. Chris Jones is Chris Jones. I mean, I

600
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: don't really know what else there is to say. I

601
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: also am curious that this got a little gas.

602
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: Though at the end of the game, Like I went

603
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: and looked at the end of the game. Though he

604
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: only had three pressures in this game, they were memorable,

605
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: you bet.

606
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: But he forced the FuMB forced the fumble, which I

607
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: thought was was a really good play. And then you know,

608
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: you're you're aware of him knowing this, covering aardonald for

609
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: so many years, Like you're just so aware of where

610
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: he is at all times. You could tell it was

611
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: affecting even some of the tight end usage that the

612
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: Ravens were able to deploy being in twelve personnel so

613
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: much because of just having to account for him and

614
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: give some of their own players a little bit more help.

615
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: I'm curious about I want to ask the Sports science

616
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: department for the Chiefs. They will never tell me, but

617
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm curious about how many miles total leos Chanal actually

618
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: ran today.

619
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Speaker 3: He was all over the field, twenty five rushes.

620
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: As you know, obviously as a blitzer, then he was

621
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Speaker 2: kind of the spy sometimes. I mean, obviously that was

622
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: tough because Lamar ran. For what he did, I mean

623
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: it was incredible, but being used as that at times

624
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: he had three pressures batted the ball could have been

625
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 2: a touchdown the past. The Lamar pass that he batted.

626
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: But I really am curious, Like man, that dude look

627
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: gassed at.

628
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: The end too.

629
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Speaker 2: I would be, I mean, I don't know who wouldn't

630
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: be that. I'd like to know how many miles he

631
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: actually ran today.

632
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Week one is such a different game. These guys are

633
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: really building their bodies up. Week two. I think you

634
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: can see that as well, But you mentioning Chanal like

635
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: linebacker every year was such a bugaboo, including in the

636
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: Spagnolo era in Kansas City. They couldn't get it right.

637
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: They tried free agents, they tried draft picks, and they've

638
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: just hit these last couple of years. Dude, Tranquil, I

639
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: don't know if he was hurt in this game. No,

640
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: he played a full amount of steps. I'm looking at

641
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: the next gen sets. I'm geeking out that a lot

642
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: of the next general we live dots. Now, Yeah, we

643
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: have participation, but him and Shanel are out there every

644
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: snap basically in this game, and they played fantastic and

645
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton was out there even more. He was there

646
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: really every step. So they had three linebackers on the

647
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: field most snaps and again cost controlled guys. Tranquill signed

648
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: a contract there, but it's pretty reasonable, and then you

649
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: have two guys that are affordable, especially Leo Chanal. I

650
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: think Nick Bolton's going to get a nice contract in

651
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: the offseason. I do want to just circle back to

652
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: Lamar because I know there's going to be a lot

653
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: of conversation on Lamar in this game, and I don't

654
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: know if he had like he had a great fantasy

655
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Speaker 1: day and he made it happen. At the end. It

656
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: was a little up and down in terms of his passing.

657
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Speaker 1: I mentioned the deep passing. He was one for five

658
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Speaker 1: throwing the ball over twenty yards down the field and

659
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Speaker 1: and most of those he had a chance to make

660
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Speaker 1: a big play. But other than that, he completed a

661
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: high percentage of his passes and they did move the ball.

662
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: They start the game with a where he has to

663
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Speaker 1: overcome his offensive line and he runs for over one

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Speaker 1: twenty like he was sick. But I thought he went

665
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Speaker 1: out with a per to do that. And I didn't

666
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Speaker 1: see these quotes from the Washington Post until the game

667
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Speaker 1: had started, but I want to read them to you, Jeordan.

668
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've you've heard it.

669
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Speaker 3: I don't think i've seen Yeah, I probably have.

670
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: They put this game into context. He said how I'm

671
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Speaker 1: feeling right now? And this was back in June actually,

672
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: when when Kent bab was really good to the interview.

673
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Said I wish I was feeling like this body wise

674
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: in the AFC Championship game, we would have won the game.

675
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: I would have been able to move round for my

676
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: guys with me just hurdy and can't move. I didn't.

677
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Speaker 1: I know if my legs were good, like we would

678
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Speaker 1: have won that s word, we wouldn't even have to

679
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: thrown the ball. F throwing the ball. So that's that's

680
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Speaker 1: pretty interesting to have that comment F throwing the ball.

681
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Speaker 2: I mean objectively, overall, he is a great thrower of

682
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Speaker 2: the football.

683
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Speaker 3: So that's wow.

684
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Speaker 1: I had. Although if he has one bugaboo, it is

685
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Speaker 1: probably the vertical throws, and that he came into this

686
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: game almost with a mindset of like, if the throw

687
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: is not there, if the play's not there, just run.

688
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: And he did take a lot of hits in this game.

689
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: But the whole idea of like Lamar lost weight and

690
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: Lamar is quicker this year and the old Lamar runner

691
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: is back, It's like, yeah, that wasn't just a phony narrative.

692
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Speaker 1: Whether he can keep that up for seventeen weeks, I

693
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Speaker 1: don't know. But to my eye, he did have more

694
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Speaker 1: juice today. I like, maybe don't take quite like he

695
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: is usually so great at avoiding big hits, and he

696
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: took two I would say two to three today that

697
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: we're a little dicey. He was hitting that spin move

698
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: button and it was a beautiful thing to watch, but

699
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: it was it was a lot on Lamar's play. It

700
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: was like a little too much, like he wanted this

701
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: game so badly. You could tell I don't think you

702
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: want to do that week after week obviously, and have

703
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: him carry the ball like three hundred and twenty five times.

704
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

705
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Speaker 2: Like I said before, I thought that the Chiefs defense

706
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: played good, a good relatively objecting sort of overall a

707
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: good game against this receiving specifically receiving core. Isaiah likely

708
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: obviously found his spots at tight end, but I also

709
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: maybe pushed back just a little. Although I don't think

710
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: we're disagreeing at all. I don't think he was always

711
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: running with just running in mind. Like a lot of

712
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: these plays that he made, he was running looking to

713
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: throw first and looking for the opportunity of the moment.

714
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: The All twenty two coming out tonight or tomorrow will

715
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Speaker 2: reveal a lot more about where receivers were because on

716
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Speaker 2: your broadcast, RECEECI no, no, and like he's escaping pressure,

717
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: he's escaping pressure. He found Isaiah as a person. I

718
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: think this was a really great moment for the two

719
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: of them to understand that they in live action like this,

720
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Speaker 2: they really can add lib together like that, because it

721
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Speaker 2: seems like if pressure is like this on a regular

722
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: basis against this group of linemen, and they're going to

723
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: need they're going to need that to happen, similar to

724
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Speaker 2: how we've seen at times Patrick Mahomes escape pressure and

725
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: extend plays with Travis Kelce. I mean, this is this

726
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: was sort of that moment for me where I was like, Oh,

727
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: these two are going to be great partners for a

728
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Speaker 2: long time if they keep it up like this. But

729
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, I don't think that, uh,

730
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Speaker 2: I think that he just you could see he was looking.

731
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: He was looking to make sure okay, especially if the

732
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: pocket was pushed around the outsides of him. He's like, yeah,

733
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: that's obviously a lane right there, and I can get

734
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: ten yards or you know, seven point six yards per carry.

735
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 2: I can get an easy eight. Pick up an easy

736
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: eight right now. But he was lowering his shoulder into

737
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: these hits, and he was really trying to I think,

738
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Speaker 2: set a tone as a captain, as a leader on

739
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Speaker 2: this team that this is the brand of football that

740
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Speaker 2: they're going to try to play, this physical style of football,

741
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Speaker 2: and I think they would have run the ball with

742
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: pure running backs, you know a little bit more had

743
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: they not been in a deficit, had they not wanted

744
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: to try to push the ball a little bit as well.

745
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we go, just any little nuggets.

746
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Speaker 3: That you have, Oh, let me get my let me

747
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: flick through.

748
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, We appreciate it. But when you brought

749
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: up I'm glad is that. Yeah, Justice Hill had a

750
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: lot of buzz in Raven's training camp that he was

751
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: going to be a key part of this team. We

752
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: actually talked about that on NFL Dailysis. Sometimes we're on

753
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: the things. He played more than Derrick Henry in this game.

754
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: He played third downs primarily, it was very close the

755
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: snap count. He only had one carry to Derrick Henry,

756
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Speaker 1: who was thirteen for forty six. Didn't have a ton

757
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: of room. But he's on the field for all these

758
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: third down six catches fifty two yards for Justice Hill,

759
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: third most amount of targets on the team. Flowers ends

760
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: up with ten targets for thirty seven yards, and I

761
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: mentioned likely with twelve Mark Andrews very quiet in this game.

762
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, more Justice Hill in this game than Derrick Henry.

763
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Speaker 1: Are you at all concerned about the offensive line for

764
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: the Ravens. I would say that that was probably if

765
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Speaker 1: I had to choose one thing from either of these teams,

766
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: that would just concern me. And it's Week one. I

767
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 1: think both of these teams are going to be great,

768
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Speaker 1: but just like this needs to improve as the season

769
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Speaker 1: goes along or else you're not going to be in

770
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Speaker 1: the AFC Championship Game. It would be the Ravens offensive line,

771
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: pass protection poor overall, the new guards rotating at right tackle,

772
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Speaker 1: and then the running game, like they need to be great,

773
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Speaker 1: I think, and they're not gonna. They're not great and

774
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: cohesive yet, so I think they have a little ways

775
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Speaker 1: to go for the Ravens offensive line.

776
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like and again to bring up Lushanaligan,

777
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: it's not like his pressure stats specifically are you know,

778
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: out of this world. He was sent quite a bit,

779
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: but a couple of times, especially late in the game.

780
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: I mean you saw especially coming around that that right side,

781
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: you just you saw that there was a struggle there

782
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: and that's you know, that just can't that can't happen.

783
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: And you also saw again you saw they had to

784
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: use tight end help quite a bit. I think they

785
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: want to stay in twelve personnel because their tight ends

786
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: are good players, but they want to use them as

787
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: weapons in the passing game, a little bit quicker at

788
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: the snap versus having to stay and chip and then

789
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: roll out things like that that just kind of take time.

790
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: They just sort of in a way, if pressure is

791
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: getting from the other side, if the guy you want

792
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: to throw the ball to has to wait a second

793
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: and chip for you on the other side, that actually

794
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: helps the pressure on the other side because you're holding

795
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: the ball.

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00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: You know, it's just that kind of thing. It just

797
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: there's a ripple effect. And yeah, that's long story short.

798
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: I am concerned about that, but it's one game, So.

799
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna wrap up with one final play

800
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: that we want to listen to because I don't want

801
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: it to get lost in the shuffle. This is one

802
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: of the greatest teams of all time, in a run

803
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: that rivals any team's run over a four year period,

804
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: and now they're trying to extend it out for one

805
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: more season, not just three in a row. But you know,

806
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: having that Super Bowl appearance, having the Super Bowl a

807
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: few years before that, it's it's just incredible what they're

808
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: doing and It's incredible that tonight Patrick Mahomes, in only

809
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: seventh year, is now the all time leading passer for

810
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. And he did it on this

811
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: throw to Travis Kelce and twelve Trump beholds.

812
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: Runs away the fire Trump run count.

813
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: Too line a perfect play for Patrick Mahomes to set

814
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 5: the Chiefs record for most passing yards passing the legendary

815
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 5: Lenny Dawson.

816
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you got the shot right up to the

817
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: booth with Taylor. Well, you have the Ravens defenders crashing

818
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: into each other like the Keystone Cops as Mahomes runs

819
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: away from three guys and throws it on a hop.

820
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: Just what an incredible player. Yeah right. I never want

821
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: to take it for granted. And it's a big deal

822
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: that they won this game. If they lost it, we

823
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: would say, you know, it's not that big a deal.

824
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: And yet they're trying to get home field advantage in

825
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They have an easy division, they have an

826
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: easy schedule. They have probably the easiest schedule of any

827
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Speaker 1: of the truely elite Super Bowl contenders coming into the year,

828
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Speaker 1: and they just won one of the toughest games and

829
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: have the tiebreaker over the Ravens. So the way season

830
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: ended is the way this one started, Jordan. You know,

831
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: it feels different for me how this season is starting,

832
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: so that's familiar. But I'm so excited that you were

833
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: here for this first show, and obviously you're gonna be

834
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: a big part of the show on Wednesdays all year,

835
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll do some more T and F recaps.

836
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Speaker 1: This was fun. Let us know, by the way, everyone

837
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: in the in the comments and it certainly everyone listening

838
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: if you like doing it live, and we'll try to

839
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Speaker 1: do that more often. Thanks, Thanks Jordan.

840
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: I was terrified to do this live, but I had

841
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: a blast.

842
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: It reminds me of when I'm covering, you know, covering

843
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: a game and thinking through everything and talking about my

844
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: notes and looking at my charts and flipping through a

845
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: billion pages. And I just had and I actually got

846
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: to like talk to someone else and not just to

847
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: myself inside my own head.

848
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: So thanks Greg.

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00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: That is it for the recap of an incredible kickoff game,

850
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs win twenty seven twenty Thanks again to Jordan Rodrieg

851
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: for joining me. I'm gonna throw to a new section

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00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: of the show that we're gonna try each week I'm

853
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: gonna pick some games against the spread with my friend

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00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland right after the break. Okay, I am here

855
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: with Cynthia Freeland. She's done maybe seventy four different shows

856
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: for NFL media during the week, including NFL Game Debut,

857
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: which you should watch, where we pick all the games.

858
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: But this is the most important one because this is

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Speaker 1: the one where you're going up against me one.

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Speaker 8: On one, you versus me for the Smug Picture Awards.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so do we do? We call this model versus machine?

862
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: You talk a lot about your statistical model, whereas I'm

863
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: just kind of going off off vibes, off feelings. We're

864
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: gonna pick three games every week. I'm very excited about

865
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: this name against the spread. We're gonna keep track. The

866
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: number three felt right, just like we don't want this

867
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Speaker 1: to be too long. We're only picking our best games.

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Speaker 1: It can be man versus machine, which is you know,

869
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Speaker 1: complimentary to me, man, that's nice, machine. I don't know,

870
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: like you're more than just a machine. You're you're full of.

871
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 8: I feel like, I mean, the machines are amazing because

872
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 8: they're reliable, right, and I feel like I'm gonna be

873
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 8: more reliable in these game picks. So man versus machine

874
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 8: works totally fine, okay, or isn't the model's good too?

875
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Right?

876
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 8: Okay, so you don't get confused what a model is.

877
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 8: But I'm not like an Instagram model, my got computer modeler.

878
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: It is a little confused. So we're gonna maybe we'll

879
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: let the listeners.

880
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 8: Yes they can, they can tell us what they can

881
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 8: tell us.

882
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: And I'm really excited. So we're gonna pick three games

883
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: every week against the spread. We'll just throw out what

884
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: we like. We'll keep track, and I'm gonna start with

885
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: the Bills. This was the one early in the week

886
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: I knew. I saw that it was six and a half,

887
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: and I liked it as my survivor pick. I like

888
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: them to win the Super Bowl. I'm trying not to

889
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: just fall in love with like my season long pick,

890
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: because that's not a good thing to do in Week one.

891
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: But I look at this matchup and I think.

892
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 9: Who is rushing the passer for the Arizona Cardinals food

893
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 9: a Baker? I mean, who is stopping the for the

894
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 9: Arizona Cardinals, the Baker. I just think it's gonna be

895
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 9: such a high number that the Bills put up but

896
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 9: I like Kyler Murray in this game. I drafted him

897
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 9: like it's gonna be a high score. But they are

898
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 9: so thin and the Bills have a sound enough defense that, yeah,

899
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 9: they have some problems that I think they give up

900
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 9: twenty five twenty eight points.

901
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: I feel good about this. I am not going to

902
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: take heavy favorites too often, I think at the end

903
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: of these weeks. But we'll see. But in a week

904
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: one where there's so much uncertainty, I feel good about

905
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: the Bills minus six point five as my first pick

906
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: of the year.

907
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 8: What about you, Well, I mean, I have like nine

908
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 8: or almost ten points in that game, so I clearly

909
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 8: agree with you on that one.

910
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 6: But I'm going to go.

911
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 8: Someplace that feels a little bit more. Oh, I don't know,

912
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 8: like a Monday night barn burner where Mark Jets come

913
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 8: in to Santa Clara.

914
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 6: And upset the forty nine hours.

915
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 8: So in other words, if you're telling me I can

916
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 8: also have three and a half points to go with them, then.

917
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: I have or in some places it's four and a

918
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: half in some places. Who depends where you get in.

919
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't even know. I feel like it,

920
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: come straight up, I like them.

921
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 6: To just win.

922
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 8: Jets end up one to zero after this weekend, Why, well,

923
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 8: they're O line completely retooled. That is a huge, massive deal,

924
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 8: especially when you already have a runner in Breeze Hall.

925
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 6: That's I know.

926
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 8: Everyone is like, oh, Christian McCaffrey's a great Yes, we

927
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 8: understand he's great too, But I'm talking about why the

928
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 8: Jets could have this upset. The Jets team top to bottom,

929
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 8: their starters are really really good, and you've got Aaron

930
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 8: Rodgers coming back. I understand it's a series injury, but

931
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 8: you know what Aaron Rodgers.

932
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 6: Likes to do. He likes to prove everyone wrong.

933
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 8: All this petty Aaron Rodgers is one of the best

934
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers to see. This is like an MVP year, right,

935
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 8: Like you think he comes back and he looked a

936
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 8: little rusty in twenty two, didn't play in twenty three.

937
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 6: This is it feels like the model for how you

938
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 6: would come out and be an MVP in twenty three.

939
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Right. So on game debut, we have to pick every

940
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: game against the spread. I was with you that the

941
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: Jets covering this game. I don't even feel that strong

942
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: about the forty nine ers winning the game. So we're

943
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: in agreement. But the Jets are not going to be

944
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: one of my three picks. So we'll see there.

945
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 6: I go big or go home.

946
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: Yet, Steelers plus three and a half. So I'm taking

947
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: two favorites this week, which I don't love. This are

948
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: the one underdog I'm taking. I kind of like taking

949
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: the points in Week one. In general, there's just so

950
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: much uncertainty. I would love to take a team that

951
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: has more than three points that I think is gonna

952
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: win the game. That's the case for the Steelers in

953
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: this I don't care who starts at quarterback. We're taping

954
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: this on Thursday afternoon, and it's uncertainty. If Justin Field starts,

955
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: I think they win. If Russell Wilson starts, I also

956
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: think that they win this game straight up. Like the

957
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: Atlanta Founts. Yeah, no, straight up. Atlanta Falcons were like

958
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: a four win team last year. I know there, I

959
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: know they won more games than that in reality, but

960
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: if you look at this, it's almost profile they were

961
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: very lucky. They they played such a bad schedule and

962
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: they barely won a lot of those games. And to me, uh,

963
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: I look at the Steelers defense as like the one

964
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: group in this game that I know what I'm getting.

965
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm getting with Kirk Cousins. I

966
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm getting with this offense. I do

967
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: think I'm getting a pretty bad Steelers offense overall and

968
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: a pretty bad Falcons defense overall. So give me the

969
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: front seven, give me Dealers plus five.

970
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 8: I love it.

971
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: We are plus minus three and a half.

972
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 8: We are completely not aligning this one because I have

973
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 8: Atlanta winning by five points, so.

974
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: That would mean that I'm on That's not one of

975
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: your three picks.

976
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 6: No, no it's not. I'm just telling you where I stand

977
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 6: on this one.

978
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 8: Before we were aligned kumbayam moment, Greg Andson, happy little campers.

979
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 6: Now we are staunch opponents.

980
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 8: Okay, my third one and New Orleans I'm not I'm

981
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 8: actually surprised that you didn't take this one. But okay,

982
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 8: so my model is very conservative. We can talk about

983
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 8: this because this is a different format. There's certain breakpoints

984
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 8: that become where things become more kind of known and

985
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 8: more more kind of stable, And fifty eight percent is

986
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 8: where where it's at. This one's fifty five points seven,

987
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 8: So New Orleans to win is like way up over sixty,

988
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 8: it's sixty four.

989
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 6: Point nine percent.

990
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 8: New Orleans to win by at least four points happens

991
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 8: in fifty five points step. That's a very high number, Carolina.

992
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 8: Just first of all, Brian Burns is now in New York, right,

993
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 8: And I also didn't know what was going on their defense.

994
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 8: I don't know if they did not sust it. Like

995
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 8: I think this is going to be a situation where

996
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 8: we see New Orleans people like, oh, like all these

997
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 8: rumors we hear, like, oh, how mu Kamara is back

998
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 8: and Crystal Lave is wonderful and obviously and then you know,

999
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 8: it's just kind of part of it is a function of.

1000
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 6: Who they're gonna play.

1001
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 8: I just don't see that there's anyone on that Panthers

1002
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 8: defense that's going to stop them.

1003
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: They're so thin in the secondary. I thought this number

1004
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: was a little crazy too. It's funny because we're a

1005
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: green so much, and that means essentially, I'm rooting for

1006
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: your picks, but I'm really not.

1007
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 4: This is.

1008
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: Like the man versus machine. Yeah, and versus model is

1009
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: very rainmaker versus the model, Like I want to win.

1010
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 6: You're the rain Maker. Now you just branded yourself the

1011
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 6: rain maker, Come.

1012
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: On, get up to speed. Been the rain maker, been

1013
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: making it rain for years, and it's not going to

1014
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: be raining in the in the Superdome. But I had

1015
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: this game seventeen ten, like I think it'll be a

1016
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: low scoring game. But either way, I trust the Saints

1017
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: in this matchup, all right. My final pick is going

1018
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: to be Bucks minus three and a half. Huh against

1019
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. So are we saying with that three

1020
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: and a half and in some places it's three that

1021
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: the Commanders and the Bucks are even. Really, I think

1022
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: we're getting a little too over our skis here with

1023
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm not Jayden Daniels in the town. I just mean

1024
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: that number. I love this one. Maybe I would have

1025
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: picked it first. If I'm putting it in order of confidence,

1026
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: it's right there for me. I think this is an

1027
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: underrated team. I think they have great continuity in terms

1028
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: of their players versus a Washington team which really doesn't

1029
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: and doesn't in terms of the coaching staff. I feel

1030
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: good about Bucks minus three and a half.

1031
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 8: I mean, look, I completely agree with you on that one.

1032
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 6: I think part of the reason that.

1033
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 8: Maybe it's so low is because there's a history of

1034
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 8: Cliff Kingsbury starting off seasons really strong.

1035
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 6: It's like he pulls.

1036
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they re mode't go into that.

1037
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 6: Oh I'm just trying to.

1038
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. Does Vegas get into that?

1039
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, well of course they look at who the players are.

1040
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 8: My model gets into that big time, which is why

1041
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 8: season long. One of my strongest things is that Jayden

1042
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 8: Daniels is gonna throw for at least threeenty twenty five yards,

1043
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 8: so more than that.

1044
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 6: So just just keep that in mind.

1045
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 8: Put that one a little feather in your cap right there,

1046
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 8: and you stole my other one, So I'm gonna go.

1047
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: Wait, now you can pick it too. I like it

1048
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: if we agree on our third two.

1049
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 6: Agree, but I want to talk about the Lions.

1050
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: Okay, then go for a different there, Okay, So.

1051
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 8: I'm taking I'm having my my Motor City kiddies to

1052
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 8: also win. I understand that your daughter is a massive

1053
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 8: fan of the Rams, and this is not a pick

1054
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 8: against her because I love her the most. But I

1055
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 8: love my Lions too, and I think at home, I

1056
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 8: love Matthew Stafford.

1057
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 6: I keep saying love, but it is true.

1058
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 8: But I'm looking at the Lions and I'm looking at

1059
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 8: this old line and there's no Aaron Donald. The defense

1060
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 8: is completely retooled. They're missing pieces in the secondary. So

1061
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 8: I think this is going to be a high.

1062
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: And a half against a good team or forward or whatever.

1063
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: Then three is it depends what you know, It depends

1064
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: where you get it. You know.

1065
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 8: I'm just I want to at least pick something a

1066
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 8: little more spicy.

1067
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, why not?

1068
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 8: Have we got a little spices. We can't agree on everything,

1069
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 8: all right? So because we're best friends, you are going

1070
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 8: because we're best friends, is they're gonna need to agree

1071
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 8: on everything.

1072
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't have a best friend friends. We're friends, I

1073
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: mean best that's like a wow. Well we've been doing

1074
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: this show six years. It's fun. I am excited to

1075
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: pick some games against the spread against you all year.

1076
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: So to recap, I have Bills minus six and a half.

1077
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: I have the Steelers plus three and a half. I

1078
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: have the Bucks minus three and a half. You are

1079
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: taking the Jets, the Saints, and the Lions. I don't

1080
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: really disagree with any of yours, and yet you know

1081
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: we have different picks. The Saints were on We're probably

1082
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: the next pick I was going to make. Yeah, if

1083
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: you're out there, and you're looking for other ones, like

1084
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: I kind of like the Colts, kind of like the Chargers,

1085
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Speaker 1: kind of like the Jets, but I didn't like them

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00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: as much so Bills the point Bucks. Okay, so we

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00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: just not straight out on that one. And for just

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00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: this one week. And yeah, if you're watching on YouTube,

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00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: you'll see that we're in a nice Stage five studio.

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00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: It's it's strange taste taping a podcast here. I've never

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00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: done it before, but for Justice one Week kind.

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00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 8: Of feels like we're like in our house, you know,

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00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 8: like we just sit awkwardly in chairs facing the same direction,

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00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 8: not each other, like that's how we normally talk.

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Speaker 1: Justice one week because it's going into the season and

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00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: I got a lot of tweets, and I figure, like,

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00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: why not just throw it out there. I'm not going

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00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: to ask you to do this.

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Speaker 6: No, it's fine.

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00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: Some of my season long over unders before we get

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: If you are a listener and you heard me with

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00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: Mina Kimes and Kevin Clark, this was three or four

1105
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I heard the draft picks where Bill's over

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00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: nine and a half. Huh, I went bears under nine

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00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: and a half. That was a little spicy as my

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00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: number two pick. I feel a little weird about that,

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00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: honestly now, but I do like it. Texans over nine

1110
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: and a half feel great about that, and forty nine

1111
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: ers under eleven and a half.

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00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 6: Fout off a few of them. I've done my win total.

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00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna get to you. So those are the

1114
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: four I took, and now that I look at it,

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00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: that was going maybe a little extra spice more than

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00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: just confidence, because I gotta say I feel even more

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00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: confident in Seahawks over seven and a half. I feel

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00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: even more confident in Cowboys under nine and a half.

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00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: That's one of mine, too, Okay, so we're in agreement.

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Speaker 1: The other two, I like Brown's under eight and a half.

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00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: I'm just fading that defense being as good this year

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00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson maybe making them worse at quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: in the Bucks. We just talked about the Bucks over

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00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: seven and a half. So those are those are like

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Speaker 1: my eight favorite. I don't know if you have any takeaways.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So off the top of my head here, I

1127
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 8: know I like the Seattle one.

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Speaker 6: I have a full game ahead of that's for me.

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00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 8: A full game is like never, you know, my like

1130
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 8: I said, models very conservative, but I think that one's

1131
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 8: a great one. I also think that I have I

1132
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 8: have the I'm on the other side of that bears

1133
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 8: angle from you. I have the Patriots to have.

1134
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: It's one of your favorites to under four and a half.

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Speaker 8: Wow, I'm sorry, it's not a very nice one.

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00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: I had that in my super duper long list that

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00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: they'd be over because that just seems rude.

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Speaker 6: But I just seems low.

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00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 8: But I but I but you trade away Matt Judohn

1140
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 8: this late in the game, Like it's just hard to

1141
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 8: reproduce that kind of pass rush.

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00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: That's I know, But four and a half it's a crazy,

1143
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: crazy low number. I also on my longer list went

1144
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: Chiefs over eleven and a half. Like every year the Chiefs

1145
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: kind of get that. I know they didn't like.

1146
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 8: I think I have eleven point four for them, But

1147
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 8: to me, that's not strong enough to to say it.

1148
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 6: I have. I have the Eagles winning the NFC.

1149
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: Though you have the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, which

1150
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: is crazy. So you like there over as well.

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00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 8: I do like their over and I like the lines

1152
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 8: over there at ten and a half. I have them

1153
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 8: at ten point eight. Or ten point seven.

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00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna dork out on this every week. Yeah, Vikings

1155
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: in that division, I like them over six and a half.

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Speaker 8: Yes, oh, and the other one I like a lot.

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00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 8: This doesn't sound crazy. The Broncos over five and a half.

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00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 8: That is that is bananas?

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00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: Okay.

1160
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 8: You know why because the Broncos get to play the NFC.

1161
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: South and they get to play in the AFC westoosh

1162
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: On Thanes never had a season close to that bad

1163
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: that one. I'm with you, I'm not really that high

1164
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: on the Broncos, and yet I.

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Speaker 6: Feel, no, no, you don't have to be that high.

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Speaker 6: Five and a half. Yeah, five, it's it's six. They

1167
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Speaker 6: have to win. That's it. Six.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to dark out. I like the NFL

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00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: daily every week. Different flavors.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, you're like crushing it. This is a lot

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00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 6: of work.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. It's a lot of fun.

1173
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: But I like that there are different flavors to each show.

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00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: We've never done a pure sort of picks almost word gambling.

1175
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: Oh the g word, you can say it. It's not

1176
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: because we don't gamble. We're saying games against the spread,

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00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. A game within a game. I

1178
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Speaker 1: think that's more fun than picking it straight up. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see how we do over the course of the season.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do this each and every week. Tell

1181
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: us what you want to hear, but that the three

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00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: picks each and every week. She is the best in

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Speaker 1: the business at doing it. It has been a blast

1184
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: all week on NFL Daily, but the week's not over.

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Speaker 1: I will be back on Friday night recapping the game. Yes,

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00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: the only Friday night recap of the You're Adam Lethgo

1187
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: of TNT, who is a great dude, a great broadcaster

1188
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: and an Eagles fan, is going to be joining me,

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00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: so you can catch us on YouTube live Friday night.

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Speaker 1: We will see you then wrapping up Eagles and Packers,

1191
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: saying thank you, Cynthia. This is We're going to be

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Speaker 1: doing it every week. We'll see you then