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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, and welcome.

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Speaker 2: To Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so see every Wednesday re recap our old shows

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Speaker 1: with all new commentary and updates and insight.

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Speaker 3: That's right, And today we're recapping episode fifty seven, which

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Speaker 3: we've named You're not gonna believe this, we've named so

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Speaker 3: good live at the Fox Theater.

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Speaker 1: These live show titles are brilliant. I'll say so myself.

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Speaker 1: I will say so myself. Do it. This episode came

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Speaker 1: out February twenty third, twenty seventeen, almost ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, in two years?

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. All right, let's get into the intro.

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Speaker 3: But episode that was only eight years ago, number fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you can high Oakland? What's up? Wow?

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Speaker 1: This is so I should should we scream really quick? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Ready? That does feel good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Our friend, that's good.

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Speaker 3: Our friend Lazie Cooperman told us that her secret before

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Speaker 3: going stage and not being nervous is just scream into

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Speaker 3: her hands.

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Speaker 1: It's really good therapeutic. I may have damaged my instrument

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Speaker 1: a little bit though. This is fucking crazy, isn't that.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted a picture from the audience of the stage

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Speaker 1: and the front the front. His piece looks like Beyonce

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Speaker 1: from the Grammys, doesn't it. Do you think she dressed

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Speaker 1: up like the interior of the Fox Theater. I'm like that,

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Speaker 1: make me look, give me that Fox look?

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Speaker 2: She said, who's here? Who's from Oakland? And who's from

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Speaker 2: not Oakland?

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Speaker 4: Sure, ask a seven part question to kick it off.

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Speaker 1: We definitely want you to be yelling the whole time.

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Speaker 1: So let's see, basically, who's from San Leandro? Who's from Dublin?

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Speaker 2: This is Karen's fucking city. Can you tell top of

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Speaker 2: the Hill daily sitting?

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Speaker 1: Anybody?

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Speaker 4: Not me?

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Speaker 2: I mean they're from places anyway, let's go. We don't.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was my cousin Stevie. By the way, one

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Speaker 1: and ten of my family members are here tonight. So

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 2: I looked on our guests listen. It was like kill

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Speaker 2: Garret kill, Garret kill, Gareth.

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Speaker 1: Bay represent we represent in the Bay.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Lots of people do should we do a quick outfit?

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Speaker 3: Yes, walk it across, let's do it. Look at my

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Speaker 3: uh watch my tights? Yes, yes, here you got those

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Speaker 3: are cat tights. If you can't see from the balcony.

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Speaker 1: You all love that your little cats.

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Speaker 2: No, no, thank you, No.

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Speaker 1: I got a hankle dress.

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Speaker 3: Pockets, pockets, pockets, I'll never.

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Speaker 1: Stop yelling pockets at the top of my loans.

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Speaker 3: We were having like a conversation backstage of like what

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Speaker 3: you know, a serious one, and then she goes like this,

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Speaker 3: and I went, oh, tickets right then.

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Speaker 1: Said do you want me to tell you a quick

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Speaker 1: story about this dress? Yes, it's going to be fast.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fast. I'm not asking you, I'm asking her.

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Speaker 1: We went to the outlet malls in Los Angeles. We

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Speaker 1: went to the Kate Spades store. I walked in. I

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Speaker 1: sidebar in the middle of the dress story. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: just want you to know this is the first night

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Speaker 1: of our tour. We're starting it with you guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm here, amazing, amazing, crazy crazy.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm at the outlet moles Kate Spade store. Have

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Speaker 1: to get my tour long dress has to be black.

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Speaker 1: That's the rule we made up that we're now stuck

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Speaker 2: It sucks there's no black dresses. It turns out.

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Speaker 1: Carstattering obsessively buying black dresses I go in, I see

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Speaker 1: a dress. It's this one on the rack. It fits me,

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Speaker 1: it's my size, it has pockets. I'm like, what the

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Speaker 1: fuck God is with me? I look at the price tag.

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Speaker 1: It says two hundred and nineteen dollars. I was like, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear it for what fifty shows or something

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Speaker 3: So originally one dress for all the show, yes, the

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Speaker 3: entire run.

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Speaker 1: Really, these dresses are gonna smell so bad when we're done,

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Speaker 1: true imagine. So I'm like, here, my mother's voice in

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Speaker 1: my head. It's a key piece. You're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to wear it over and over right, Right, it's worth

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Speaker 1: the money. When you spend more, you get more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, Pat, So I take the

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Speaker 1: dress up to the counter, put it on the counter.

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Speaker 1: This is a classic outlet sale. Outlet store tail seventy

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Speaker 1: nine dollars. Mother, of course, pockets, plots, pockets, pockets, pockets.

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Speaker 1: I'll never say what.

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Speaker 2: She wondered. She just laughed. She just kept walking.

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Speaker 1: Walking down telegraph.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean, I know, let's see what else are

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Speaker 3: wearing the whole thing?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, we can't. That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: We're actually gonna wear them all weekend though, So if

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Speaker 3: you see photos that look like it's here and you're like,

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Speaker 3: I don't remember them doing that, it's because we're not.

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Speaker 1: It's just gonna keep wearing them up and down the coast.

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Speaker 2: But they're still gonna smell really bad by Monday, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, and then we can burn them in

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Speaker 1: a pie like bitch. Oh, we have an exclusive merch announcement.

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Speaker 2: Here's why merche corner. Oops. The shirt's got corner corner corner.

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Speaker 2: Everybody oops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the shirts that are available tonight here at the

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Speaker 1: Fox Theater in Oakland.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna call them exclusive.

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Speaker 1: They're we're not calling them mistake shirts. No, they're exclusive.

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Speaker 3: They're exclusive to this weekend. So if you're on the fence,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, are people, then get I mean it's

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Speaker 3: weird that one.

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Speaker 1: Look, it doesn't need to have our name on it

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Speaker 1: to make it our shirt, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: And listen, it doesn't mean the name of the podcast

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Speaker 3: on the front.

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Speaker 1: We're anywhere, It doesn't on the shirt. Why reference the

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Speaker 1: name of the show that the shirt belongs to.

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Speaker 3: You know, and then like someone will see you in that,

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Speaker 3: and like you'll know they're in the know when they're like,

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Speaker 3: I know what that's from, even though it doesn't say

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Speaker 3: the name of what it is, or the name of

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Speaker 3: the hosts on it, or.

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Speaker 1: Any any name at all. Really, it's just some words.

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Speaker 3: Because we knew you guys were like, you know, everyone

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Speaker 3: else needs our name on it because we're gonna forget.

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Speaker 1: So exclusive merch tonight only and and tomorrow night and

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Speaker 1: tomorrow also tomorrow weekend.

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Speaker 2: It's a week exclusive.

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Speaker 1: It's a weekend merch, merch, super special merch. Should we

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Speaker 1: sit down? Let's sit down? Are we gonna? Is it

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Speaker 1: not all forward? Like? Why have a table and then

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Speaker 1: just sit out there?

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Speaker 2: That's weird. We've never sat on these sides before.

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Speaker 1: Oh, should we switch it around?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you know this is let's just make

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Speaker 3: it right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. What's it called?

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Speaker 1: When you are so okay, we can't hear you and

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Speaker 1: we don't want to know what you're saying. That's how

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Speaker 1: it works.

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Speaker 2: That's Karen. I'm George.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, hi, welcome to my favorite letter everybody.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that. I don't know why I

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Speaker 1: did that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome to my allergies.

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Speaker 1: Before we start, I do have one piece of news

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Speaker 1: that might be exciting for everybody that I saw somebody

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Speaker 1: tweeted it to us secondhand from another murderer. Now you

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Speaker 1: can now on ways get datelines. Keith Morrison's voice for

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Speaker 1: your GPS. Did you hear about that that? Did you listen?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Did you know?

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Speaker 2: But I want it?

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine that creep telling you how to get

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Speaker 1: around town? Hilarious?

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Speaker 2: I love it. It's such a great idea.

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Speaker 1: Is I feel like I would prefer Lieutenant Joe Kenda

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Speaker 1: though that's who that would be my own man.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it's just snow snarky the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Everything would be like a thing. One time I turned

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Speaker 1: trying to get to target. I, Betty says. I.

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Speaker 2: Betty says, flip a UI. You know, I said, to

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Speaker 2: make a U turn.

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Speaker 1: You can never go back, but turn left and and

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Speaker 1: then just keep going out of that kind of hard course.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, at least it's not Nancy Grace. She went

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Speaker 1: there one more thing, just really quick. So I went

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Speaker 1: home really quick to pedal in my California for to

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Speaker 1: see the Oh my god, what if my whole hometown

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Speaker 1: came the fun that you hated me? So I was

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Speaker 1: eating breakfast with my dad and I said to my dad, Hey,

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Speaker 1: do you want me to get you a Murderino baseball hat?

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Speaker 1: And he goes, hmm, how about you? Yeah, he goes,

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Speaker 1: how about you? How but you get me a shirt?

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Speaker 1: But instead of a monogram, it's just got a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, he just wants you to go get

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Speaker 3: him a shirt somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't want one of you.

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Speaker 1: He might just need shirts.

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Speaker 3: Weirdly, my dad I saw him last weekend and he

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Speaker 3: pointed to his hat and it was a New York

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Speaker 3: City hat and he's like, I'm ready for my trip

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Speaker 3: to New York when you go there. And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: because you want to go see my show? And he's

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Speaker 3: just like, no, I want to go to New York.

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Speaker 3: So I'm taking my dad.

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Speaker 2: To New York.

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Speaker 1: All right, Marty's coming? Yeah nice? Yeah, all right, right,

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Speaker 1: that's a good way to find out your dad's coming

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Speaker 1: to your show.

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Speaker 2: Also, they have a this is okay, they have a whole.

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Speaker 3: Vintage Wiji board like display at the SFO Airport, like

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Speaker 3: to say SFO Airport and just say SFO.

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Speaker 1: You can say whatever you want, it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: It's like a huge like a bunch of cabinets of

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Speaker 3: like really fucking old Wigi boards and like the like

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Speaker 3: it's awesome.

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Speaker 1: You can't touch them, can you? No, don't touch those?

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Speaker 2: I love them.

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Speaker 1: That's bad.

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Speaker 2: Luck doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, I keep forgetting.

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Speaker 2: What else?

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Speaker 1: Uh that kind of sounds rad Actually, yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's it. Lets you want to kick it off.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into this thing. Is it murder time? All right?

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Speaker 1: We're back.

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Speaker 2: We're back, and we're planning our latest tour.

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Speaker 1: Just the moment of me telling everybody the price I

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Speaker 1: then the actual price and the absolute ovation that we

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Speaker 1: received a bargain.

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Speaker 3: That's one thing about us is that how could we

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Speaker 1: It's like we sold we sold him on it. Yea,

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Speaker 3: That's all it takes, folks to get your family to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with tight giant safety pin, like giant ridiculous safety pin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, we had that, Barretts Iron, Bobby rats Hall, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: She should have been apologized too, for and that's your

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Speaker 1: Well, but also, you know what you were thinking, we're

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Speaker 3: Totally. It's yeah, it's a very like every local knows it,

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Speaker 3: Who's first, I'm first, you're first, I'm first this week.

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Speaker 1: Do you keep it? Literally, this piece of paper has

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about two dudes who are total pieces of

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Speaker 1: That would actually be an amazing end of this show, like.

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Speaker 2: A Phil Collins concert.

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Speaker 1: You saw me when you were drowning and he did

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Speaker 3: I Actually there was like a kid who drove me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, he's about to speed freak Jared listen up

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Speaker 3: Jared Lauren Herzog and Wesley Shermantine Junior were childhood friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fucked.

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Speaker 1: They hold on they might actually just like the names

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Speaker 2: You're like doing They don't know you, Okay. They grew

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Speaker 3: It's ninety five miles east of California. They were hunters.

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Speaker 2: Not in nineteen eighty four of them.

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Speaker 3: It's believed that Herzog and Sherman Time began murdering people

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Speaker 1: Their families like, I mean, take that in the way

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Speaker 2: Oh, are you a magician? You can make people disappear.

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Speaker 1: Finally, you have an interest that we can get into. Yah,

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Speaker 3: Their first known victim was in nineteen eighty five, sixteen

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Speaker 1: Cool stands school, then you're get to be this.

445
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: No, we dropped out of college.

446
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: We really didn't finish any school at all, skin of

447
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: my teeth.

448
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

449
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: So then, so she had been dating him, she left

450
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: to hang out with him, never seen again. Her blood

451
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: was found in his cabin that he had, but the

452
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: district attorney didn't think the evidence was definitive.

453
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: So nope, Well.

454
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Here's the one that would know. In nineteen eighty four,

455
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: it's just splattered willy nilly blood is meaningless.

456
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, what does it mean?

457
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: You know?

458
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: So, then in ninety eight, so that was eighty five.

459
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 3: Now we're in ninety eight, and then Cindy vander Heyden,

460
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 3: she's twenty five. The San Joaquin Valley disappears from the

461
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 3: Linden Bar, in which sounds like a fucking dive bar

462
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 3: that you don't want to be in.

463
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: Even if like the inn and at the end of

464
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: any bar, you don't go there. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah.

465
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: She had been seen talking to Lauren and Wesley, and

466
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: actually Lauren had dated her older sister, so they knew

467
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 3: each other, and supposedly they all left together, the three

468
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: of them. Then her car is found by her dad

469
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: the next day, like outside of local cemetery. It's like

470
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: a new car, and the dad was like, what the

471
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: fuck is her car doing there? And like they panic

472
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 3: and it's really sad. Then so she disappears and turn

473
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: and then the cops are like, wait a second, he

474
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: has something to do. Wesley hast thing to do with

475
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: Cindy's disappearance, and they were like thirteen years later earlier,

476
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: this other one. They're like putting the pieces together so

477
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: they can't get his DNA, but they repossess his car

478
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 3: when he doesn't pay for it, pay the payments and

479
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: they fucking swap that shit.

480
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: All that meaningless DNA is suddenly really.

481
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: It's ninety eight and people give a shit him.

482
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: Okay, can I tell you about his tattoos real quick?

483
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 1: Please?

484
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: Lauren had made and fueled by hate and restrained by reality.

485
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: Sorry say it again, made.

486
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: And fueled by hate and restrained by reality.

487
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: That's but he's already killed two people.

488
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's not being restrained by anything. Sounds like

489
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 3: our government. Also, that's why I whispered that I.

490
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: Didn't know what you said. Oh, I said, sounds like

491
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: our government.

492
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: Oh then I got shot.

493
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: Sent a hitmail to Georgia.

494
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: At Georgia, I just wondered what the picture underneath that

495
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: phrase was, like a just like a funt, like a

496
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: seal with a ball on his nose or something, I

497
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: don't know, like a baby chick, just like the Notre

498
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: Dame irishman, restrained by reality.

499
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: You know.

500
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: It was a Tasmanian devil ha.

501
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: And he's wearing cut off jeans. Totally yes, just all mad.

502
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 3: He also had a tattoo on his right foot that

503
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: said made the devil do it, made the devil do it?

504
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: Yeah unless I unless I mom no, I copied and

505
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: pasted that made the devil do it.

506
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: So his foot made the devil do something.

507
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: Apparently the Devil's like, dude, I'm good, don't involve me

508
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: in your bullshit. The devil said, I can do it

509
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: without meth and so I don't even said he's Okay,

510
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 3: this motherfucker was married with child children, of course, and

511
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: then he offers to give DNA once they like start

512
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: looking into Wesley as Buddy Wesley.

513
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: So the police pick him up.

514
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: They're gonna bring up to the station, and in the

515
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: car on the way to the station, he starts fucking

516
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: crying and asks what he can do to get out

517
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: of this wait.

518
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: He may have been crying about those tattoos.

519
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 3: Though, bar enough, I don't even like the Tasmanian double anymore.

520
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: I was made by hate. It feels bad day hate.

521
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: So he gets interrogated for seventeen hours, confesses to the

522
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 3: murder of Cindy. He says that they met her at

523
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: a bar. They're gonna go do drugs. Wesley did everything,

524
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 3: attempts to rape her.

525
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: She resists. They pull over. Bad things happen, and.

526
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 3: He so Lauren was like stabbing Cindy or Lauren said

527
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: that when Wesley was stabbing Cindy, he said, just let

528
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: it come natural.

529
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: I know. He told detectives of Wesley responsible for at

530
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 2: least twenty four murders.

531
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: Oh he should.

532
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: He doesn't confess to anything himself, though, and just makes

533
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: it seem like he's an accomplice.

534
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: Of course, sure, you're just standing by. Yeah, a murder again.

535
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to David Busters, goddamn it.

536
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: He said we could go after so I said, okay,

537
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: all right. So next day West He's arrested.

538
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: Lauren Keith's talking tells him about the eighty four killing

539
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: spree that they just shot to fucking random dudes who

540
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: were like hanging out outside their car, and he confesses

541
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: to killing a man, a forty one year man named

542
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: Henry Howell. He's at the side of his road with

543
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: his broken car and they just go up and shoot him.

544
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: And it's the nineteen eighty four in Hope Valley. In

545
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: two thousand and thirty four year old Wesley goes on

546
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: trial for four murders, but Lauren's confession of what happened

547
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: his seventeen hour interrogation is inadmissible because the tape couldn't

548
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: be cross examined.

549
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

550
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: The jury finds him guilty though first degree murder in

551
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: all four cases. He's offered a deal to sentencings that

552
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: the death penalty would be off the table if they

553
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: told him where the body of Cindy and Chevy were,

554
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 3: but he also wanted the twenty thousand dollars reward that

555
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: had been offered for their whereabouts.

556
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: Sure, absolutely found them. You should absolutely get twenty thousand

557
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: dollars of the reward for finding you the murderer. You right,

558
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: That is totally how it works, exactly. Sounds like our government.

559
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: Let's just keep doing it. Let's just keep doing it. Oh,

560
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: night long, it's fine. We're going to Vancouver tomorrow. We

561
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: can just stay there. I forgot my passport.

562
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. Yeah, yeah, it's really worked out.

563
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: My husband is a dear, sweet angel who's FedExing things. Okay,

564
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: so okay, the family about the twenty thousand dollars reward says.

565
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: Fuck yourself. Yeah no, no, no, no, no good, they said.

566
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: So he's sentenced to death.

567
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: Then Lauren has tried for the murder of five people,

568
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: including Cindy. His video is admissible. Now he's found guilty

569
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: of first degree in three killings, and he gets life

570
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: without the possibility of parole.

571
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: But wait, nope, it gets worse.

572
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: In two thousand and four, state appeals court overturn Lauren's conviction,

573
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: saying that police coerced his confession during the long interrogations,

574
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: and they said that the police ignored his rights to

575
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 3: remain silent provided deprived him of all this shit a

576
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: neutrial order, but Herzog's lawyer worked out a plea deal

577
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: with the prosecutors. He agreed to guilty the manslaughter and

578
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: accessory to murder in exchange for a fourteen year sentence

579
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: with credit for a time. Sir, he's he's out on

580
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: parole on September eighteenth, twenty ten.

581
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: Wait a second, it's twenty seventeen.

582
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

583
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: He goes lives in like a shitty home. They keep

584
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: an eye on him. He's got all this tracking device.

585
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: But don't worry, guys. He kills himself. So he basically

586
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: when he finds out that Wesley is going to tell

587
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: them where the bodies are, He's like, oh shit, and

588
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: kills himself. He is offered thirty three thousand dollars is

589
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 3: by a bounty hunter to tell him where the bodies are. WHOA,

590
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: I know, I think he tricked him though, So let's see.

591
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: He provides maps to five burial sites where his victims

592
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: could be found, referring to one of them as their

593
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: bone yard. And they find Cindy and Chevy's bodies, and

594
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: there's three separate barial sites, and human remains are found

595
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: there at least three hundred human bones of varying size,

596
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: as well as coats, shoes, purses, and jewelry from a

597
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: well on the land in rural North Caro, California.

598
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: But for a second, I thought they fucking shift some.

599
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: Bones go over here.

600
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: They found other remains in a well, and so dental

601
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: records identify Cindy and Chevy, and they find almost a

602
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: thousand human bone fragments and an old abandoned well, including

603
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: a woman named jo Anne Hobson. She was sixteen years old,

604
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: went missing in eighty five, and Wesley claims that there

605
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: as many as seventy two.

606
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: Victims, seventy two in that amount of time.

607
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: Can you believe? Yeah? Can you believe that? Like, I

608
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: didn't even hear about these dudes.

609
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: Now, I've never heard of this.

610
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: I've seen their names.

611
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: But actually, when I was doing this research, I had

612
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: a ghost there's no place that just explains what happened,

613
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: and like.

614
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: Who got who was this who disappeared?

615
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: It's always like there's an article about these two women

616
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: who disappeared. There's an article about him killing himself. There's

617
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: like little fragments, but there's not underneath the one. No,

618
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: so I had him make it's just like.

619
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe make up some facts whatever.

620
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know at tattoos, they're not going to

621
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: know if he has those tattoos are always dead.

622
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Well, that's because that's so many.

623
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: I know, that's a I mean, why would you make

624
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just just like, well it was

625
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: if it was from like eighty four to ninety eight.

626
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot of time.

627
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: And yes, well they also believe that he's connected. They're

628
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: connected almost almost fourteen years is fourteen?

629
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know.

630
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: Yes, they also believed that they may be connected to

631
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: the eighty eight disappearance of nine year old Michelle Garrick

632
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: from Hayward.

633
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: You remember that one.

634
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 3: She was abducted on November nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, in

635
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 3: broad daylight outside a grocery store. She found her scooter.

636
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: It had been moved next to a park car, and

637
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: she goes to get it. Some motherfucker grabs her and

638
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: puts through the car and the like, what's the call?

639
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: When they draw your face gotch thank you?

640
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: I thought you said, what's it called? When they draw

641
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: on your face, I'm like falling asleep at a frat party.

642
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: What the fuck is? What is this story composite sketch

643
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: of ye got it? Got it?

644
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: So the sketch yes, and it looks just fucking like Lauren,

645
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: Like it's just creepy and so she Her case was

646
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: the first missing child case to be featured on America's

647
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: Most Wanted. So Wesley, one of the speed Freak dudes,

648
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: wrote a letter saying that Lauren committed no, no, no,

649
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: that's a copy and paste mistake. That he said that

650
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: they should look into what happened to that Hayward girl

651
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: and actually found shoes at the bottom of the well

652
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: that looked like the.

653
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: One she was wearing that day. I know, sweet baby. Okay.

654
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: So Central Valley Department destroyed a bunch of missing person

655
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: record though, so we might not ever know that Okay

656
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: and the other suspected victims that have been letter look

657
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: like is Terry Ann Forchuer from Reno Dina McCann, she

658
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: was lasting getting gas near LOWD Eye while two men

659
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: were bothering her, and then Kimberly and Billy disappeared from

660
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: Stockton and Robin Armtrout whose body was found stabbed to

661
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: duck and was lasting getting into a car with two men,

662
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 3: and the car matched the description of Wesley's. So he's

663
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: still on death row. And when he got he's like

664
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: opening up a lot more now. And he said it's.

665
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: Good, I know, he said, doing some poetry and stuff,

666
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: like really accessing his feelings.

667
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: He's like doing the thing of like, oh yeah, I

668
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: fucked up. Okay, I get it. My son won't talk

669
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: to me anymore. So I know how these parents feel

670
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: of losing their children, not even fucking kidding you.

671
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, I don't know.

672
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: There's nothing I have to say about some wisdom.

673
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: Look, meth is bad.

674
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: It really is, he says. Now, to think about all

675
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: that stuff I did, I try not to. I would

676
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: have nightmares. Fuck you pal, night night, motherfucker.

677
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: Wow. Speed freak killers, the speed freak killers, everybody.

678
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: Shit, Yeah, that's your fucking doing. Northern California.

679
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: You guys didn't do it, and we're back.

680
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you have updates for this case?

681
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: I do.

682
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: As of May twenty twenty three, San Joaquin County Detectives

683
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: Jeremy Davis, who grew up in herman's neighborhood and Chris,

684
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: I know. I mean they're all like locals and it's

685
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: small towny, blue collar, you know. And Chris Sturney are

686
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: methodically reviewing decades of unsolved cases, particularly in rural areas

687
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: between Stockton and Tracy, to look for patterns and possible

688
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: links to Shermantine and Herzog. And so items recovered in

689
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: twenty twelve, like a ring, sandals, and a lockett are

690
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: now being publicly released by investigators in hope someone recognizes

691
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: those items and helps identify the mysterious Jane Doe from

692
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: the well.

693
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: And I imagine like you have a missing daughter and

694
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: you have to go look at those items online, right,

695
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: try to see if you recognize.

696
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: No, I can't imagine.

697
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: And the article about that, there's an article in the

698
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: Sacramento News and Review by Scott Thomas Anderson and it's

699
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: a really great article if you want to read about that.

700
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: It's got some stuff about the Golden State Killer as well,

701
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: and it's just more heartbreak.

702
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

703
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: And then due to California's changing stance on the death penalty,

704
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: Wesley Shermantine was moved off of death row in twenty

705
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: twenty four. He remains in prison and hopefully always will.

706
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: Those murders were horrific, so bad. I'm glad I did

707
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: them and we got them out of the way, and

708
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: we never have to do them again until we do

709
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: their next rewind.

710
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: Of this, that's right. Then we have to look at

711
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: all in the face once again.

712
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's get into Karen's story about Herbert Mullen.

713
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: All right, now, I get comfy.

714
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: Oh, now you're gonna dig in. Wow, mine also did drugs.

715
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: He did a lot of drugs. My guy. He doesn't

716
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: really have a funny nickname like many of them do,

717
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: although you've probably heard of him. His name is Herbert Mullen,

718
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: and Herbert Mullen, thank you. Herbert Mullen is the serial

719
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: killer from uh it's a Fenton, California, near Santa Cruz

720
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: and represent go banana slugs.

721
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: Rdam bang.

722
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah this you see Santa Cruz mascot is a banana sug. Yes.

723
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: Really.

724
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: The children they got to vote on their own mascot,

725
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: and because irony is fun, they chose a banana slug.

726
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: No, no, never let children choose anything important. We were

727
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: when I was a soccer we were the teal Tornado

728
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: like you.

729
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: Don't pick your own stupid things, and kids are dumb,

730
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, And well, I mean it is college.

731
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ, that's even worse. Well, yeah, I'm disappointed.

732
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: They love pot so who doesn't. So Herbert Mullen was

733
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: the guy. You may have heard of him. It happened

734
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: in the seventies. He was the one that was active

735
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: at the same time as Edmund Kemper, the co ed

736
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: killer who was also in Santa Cruz, so that Santa

737
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Cruz in the early seventies had two full on serial

738
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: killers at the same time, earning it the nickname Murderville USA. Yeah,

739
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: our own little Santa Cruz work live play murder mill

740
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: you murder hide bum out. But unlike Edmund Kemper, Herbert

741
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: Mullen was killing for our benefit. He believed that he

742
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: had to make human sacrifices so that earthquakes wouldn't hit California.

743
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: Did anyone ever tell him that earthquakes are kind of

744
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: fun though, No.

745
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: He's very he's clearly very scared of earthquakes.

746
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: Idiot.

747
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: He didn't want them to happen. And I'll let me

748
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: tell you about it. I'll tell you a little bit

749
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: about him. So he was born in April eighteenth, nineteen

750
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: forty seven, to a very strict Catholic family. He was

751
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: in high school, he was good looking, athletic, and polite,

752
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: the trifecta. Now be careful, I'm telling you it is

753
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: not good to peak in high school.

754
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: Psychotic or charming. Yeah, somewhere in between. That's what you want.

755
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: If you're hiding behind that. Those the beautiful teeth. Good luck.

756
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: He was actually voted most likely to succeed, and he did.

757
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 2: I guess, and he.

758
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: Well, it's some some saw it as a success. After

759
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: graduating in nineteen sixty five, he went to college. He

760
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: majored in engineering, and he considered father following in his

761
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: father's footsteps of joining in the military. But the turning

762
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: point of his otherwise normal life came around the time

763
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: when his best friend was killed in a car accident.

764
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: And this was the first moment where a psychotic episode

765
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: was triggered. So he was right at the age where

766
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: schizophrenia starts to show in young men. And basically it

767
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: was the stress and the grief. He had this psychotic episode,

768
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: and his behavior became began to change entirely, and his

769
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: family started to get really scared of him, so his

770
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: friend died. He built a shrine in his room to

771
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: his friend. He started arranging all the furniture in his

772
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: room around the shrine, and he was sitting it for

773
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: hours and hours alone. He had to break up with

774
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, explaining to her that he thought he was

775
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: turning gay because of the shrine. Just turn into a game,

776
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: just slowly turning, turning, turning. He was gonna let her

777
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: know when he turned entirely, but he didn't feel comfortable

778
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: leading her on. I'm lying about all that. For he

779
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: became obsessed with the concept of reincarnation, and he became

780
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: increasingly paranoid, and he started hearing voices. So his behavior

781
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: was really scaring his family because he was starting to

782
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: do super weird things like big his sister for sex.

783
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: What so gay such a game of And he also

784
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: was doing a thing that he began to compulsively imitate

785
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: every movement his brother in law made.

786
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: God.

787
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: His sister was also married, so it was sinful in

788
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: many ways that he was begging her for sex. The

789
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: movement was sex, yeah, no, no, just every movement. So

790
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: this is actually a real disorder called echopraxia. Really, yes,

791
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: there's echopraxya is when you are have the compulsion to

792
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: imitate every single thing a person does.

793
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: Even if you don't want to.

794
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: You just have to keep a compulsion. And echolalia is

795
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: the compulsion and to repeat anything. Someone says, what's the compulsion?

796
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: I want to screw your sister, gross, I guess that's

797
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: called Game of thrones. Yeah, what, thank you? All the

798
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: way up in the back fucking pro Okay. So, in

799
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: the early seventies, in an attempt to calm himself, he

800
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: began to take huge doses of LSD. Oh, what a

801
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: perfect solution. He also was taking a lot of amphetamines. Yeah,

802
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: just a little bit to bring him up after he

803
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: went into that other dimension. That sounds like a no

804
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: for little energy. I'm not a doctor, but if you're

805
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: feeling paranoid I think you're seeing things, acid isn't the way.

806
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: It's just not. It's a non solution.

807
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: And if you're paranoid and think you're seeing things because

808
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: you're on acid, math isn't the way.

809
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Let's not. Don't double down, no, no, no, yeah,

810
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: don't go into the white drug area like pick a drug.

811
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: No, don't do drugs.

812
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: Don't you drugs.

813
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: But if you're but if you're gonna you know, listen,

814
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: you know ow you know, you know, just hit myself

815
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: in the face of the.

816
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: He missed it. I wanted to tell you, Oh, I.

817
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Wrote here, maybe try some aromatic oils.

818
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: It's all love yourself at that moment, right, That's what

819
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: you were fun.

820
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: I was having a great time to he was huge

821
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: thing a coffee as enjoying myself. So Herbert came to

822
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: believe that his friend's death had been a part of

823
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: a grand cosmic plan, and he changed his college manajor

824
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: from engineering to philosophy. He became obsessed with reincarnation, religion,

825
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: and take note impending natural disasters. So in nineteen sixty nine,

826
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: he was finally diagnosed with severe paranoid schizophrenia, and he

827
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: allowed his family to commit him to Mendocino State, one

828
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: of the many state hospitals that doesn't exist anymore because

829
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: they cut the funding for mental health, which is fucked.

830
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: Let's see what we can do about that, America.

831
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: Is your mom work? Did your mom work there?

832
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: Uh, Mendocino's way up north, but she did work in

833
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: the state hospital.

834
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't you can't let a city go bye.

835
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's all of California has come to see us tonight.

836
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: It's so excellent.

837
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: I don't know a single person here. No, there's nobody

838
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: on my No, you.

839
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: Don't know what if you find out that you do?

840
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: Okay?

841
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: So Herbert spent the following years. Oh he sorry. He

842
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: went to Mendocino State Hospital. I preach, preach, preach, and

843
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: then the back half of that was he checked himself

844
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: out six weeks later. So then he spent the following

845
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: years drifting around northern California, working small time jobs, spending

846
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: short periods of time in various mental institutions. He practiced yoga, meditation,

847
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: ate acro biotic diet. Yet he was vocally ultra conservative

848
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: and essential oil. And maybe he was using some essential oils,

849
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: which was my idea. He spent time as an amateur boxer.

850
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: He actually had to be forcibly removed from the ring

851
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: when he wouldn't stop beating his opponent. Hey, hey, you're

852
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: an amateur, you don't have to kill that guy. At

853
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: one point he attempted to join the priesthood and they

854
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: were like no thanks, which is really saying something. All right,

855
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: So in this time Herbert is fixating on impending natural disasters,

856
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: of course, also doing tons of acid, and he comes

857
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: up with a theory. He becomes convinced that nature requires

858
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: a blood sacrifice to keep the next big earthquake from

859
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: hitting California. He theorized that the violence during the Vietnam

860
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: War had been enough bloodshed to control earthquakes throughout the

861
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: late sixties, but now that the war was over, there

862
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: was nothing to stop the big the big one from

863
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: destroying the state.

864
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: And how does he know the percentage of blood to

865
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: like the percentage of year, like the number of years,

866
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

867
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: Because he was an engineer.

868
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: No, I know, he's like a typical like, oh, actually

869
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: it's just much blood, like.

870
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 2: Of course, how many people were killed in Vietnam. And

871
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: it made me know.

872
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: Herbert Herbert believed that because his birthday was April eighteenth,

873
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: same day as the nineteen oh six earthquake that leveled

874
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco and the death day of Albert Einstein, that

875
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: this made him the leader of his generation. That's right,

876
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: a birthday, one good birthday. And as the leader, it

877
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: was his job to make sure enough people to prevent

878
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: the Big One from killing everyone. So he had to

879
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: begin murdering people for the good of mankind. Before that,

880
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: and I swear to God, classic cut and paste. Before that,

881
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: he had considered relocating to Canada. We should have done that.

882
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: Then you have your murder for tomorrow. Anything else tonight,

883
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: I just do.

884
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Herbert Mullen up there. So it turns out Herbert Mullen

885
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: hates maple syrup, all right. So it starts on October thirteenth,

886
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two. Herbert Mullen is twenty four years old.

887
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: He drives home to visit his parents. Oh, in Felton, California.

888
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Sorry not Fenton, I said Fenton. It's Felton. My apologies

889
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: to the mayor and the comptroller. So if you don't know,

890
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: Felton is this tiny town. It's north of Santa Cruz

891
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: on the nine. It's right in those like right, give

892
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: it up for the Nine, everybody, one of the better

893
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: small highways of California. There's redwoods everywhere. It's actually Georgia's okay,

894
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: it's so gorge.

895
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: Perfect place to put a body of it, that's right.

896
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: It's also where I went to camp. Oh my gosh,

897
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: so yeah. P St.

898
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: Andrews Children's Live Bodies at a camp.

899
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean wait for it, Okay. So as he's uh

900
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: driving down he's going back to visit his parents, and

901
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: he uh later tells police that this is when he

902
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: received a telepathic message from his father saying, Herb, I

903
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: want you to kill me somebody so you don't listen

904
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: to your parents all your life, and this is when

905
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna fucking start listening to your Come.

906
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: On, Herb.

907
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: It's drinking a ham beer at a Ham's beer at home,

908
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 3: and like.

909
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't fucking didn't.

910
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: I didn't do it bring me into this shit, okay.

911
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: So Herbert Mullen's seat as he's driving on the nine,

912
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: he sees a homeless man named Lawrence White who is

913
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: on the side of the road. So what he does

914
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: is he pulls over and he lifts the hood of

915
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: his car, feigning car trouble, and when the man comes

916
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: over to ask if he needs any help, Herbert Mullen

917
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: bludgeons him to death with a baseball bat and leaves

918
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: his body where it lays, and that man is found

919
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: a few days later. A few days later on the

920
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: side of the road. Yeah, because it's like way up

921
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: in Forrest lamp. Yeah, remote, So less than two weeks later,

922
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: it gets worse, as should I sing the song again?

923
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: So much worse and it really no thank you, I

924
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: oh thank you, But also it really does so two

925
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: weeks later, Herbert picked up a hitchhiker named Mary Gilfoyle,

926
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: who is a student at UC Santa Cruz. Don't cheer

927
00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: for it, he's because listen to this, he's in the

928
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: heart in his car. Then he brought her body into

929
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: the woods near the roadside. He cut her open, he

930
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: hanged her intestines from tree branches, and he examined them

931
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: for pollution. Yes, for fuck's sake, her remains weren't found

932
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: for several months, and when they were discovered, the police

933
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: assumed that this murder was the work of Edmund Kemper,

934
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: because you know, they weren't like, oh, it could be

935
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: another fucking serial killer in Santa Cruz.

936
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: You know that other one.

937
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't you guys just go on that roller

938
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: coaster down by the sea and relax, all right? So

939
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: Mary Gilfoyle's murder haunted Mullins so to the point where

940
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: on November two, All Soul's Day, he walked into Las

941
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: Gatis Catholic Church. He took confession with Father Henry Thompsy,

942
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: and he confessed everything. He talked about these murders in detail.

943
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: But then when he was done, a voice told him

944
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 1: that this priest was offering himself up as a sacrifice.

945
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: How many times I have to warn you? So Mullen

946
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: stabbed Father Thompsy to death in the confessional and then

947
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: walked out of a church.

948
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: But then, how do we know that he said all

949
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: that to him? Sorry, how do we know that he

950
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: confessed all that to him?

951
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: Then he told the police everything?

952
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: Oh I get the other way, okay.

953
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he probably told his own story at

954
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: the end of this insant.

955
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: Okay.

956
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: So then he tries to enlist in the Marine Corps,

957
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: the natural next step. Uh, And though he did pass

958
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: both the physical and psychiatric exams, Yeah, he was rejected

959
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: when they brought up his arrest record and saw his

960
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: history of bizarre behavior.

961
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: Also he was color blind.

962
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: But otherwise you're fine, and that's fine.

963
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: What flat feet get out of here. He later claimed

964
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: that he never would have become a serial killer if

965
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: he had just been accepted into the Marines.

966
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: You've already killed three fucking people, Dade.

967
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of a fake excuse you have to admit.

968
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: Maybe.

969
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: So this rejection affects him a lot, to the point

970
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: where he stops taking massive amounts of ascid every day,

971
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: but his severe violent paranoid schizophrenia is out of control,

972
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: totally untreated. He believes that this rejection from the Marines

973
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: is just another example of the conspiracy against him in

974
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: his life. He also accuses his parents of participating in

975
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: his conspiracy. He accuses them of being quote killed joy

976
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: reincard nationalists, which is not a real thing, who believed

977
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: their next lives would be more enjoyable if they made

978
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: the current lives of others miserable.

979
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 3: Man, can you imagine just being a parent and you're like,

980
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: I want to have babies too, I love you, and

981
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: then you just have this fucking asshole.

982
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just you're just birth an asshole out onto

983
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: the fucking table.

984
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: Man.

985
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: Tough, But also it's kind of funny because then also

986
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: then I just think of, like when you're thirteen, it's

987
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: just kind of just a teenage mentality of like my

988
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: parents live to make everyone else's lives awful. Reincarnationist fucking reincarnationalists. Right,

989
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: So swept up in his paranoid delusions, Mullen decides to

990
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: kill Jim Gennara, his high school pot dealer.

991
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a weird choice.

992
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way, herberts. He believes that because

993
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: Jim's so old him pot, that he was part of

994
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: the plot to destroy his mind and that he had

995
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: to avenge himself.

996
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 2: Guy's like, I fucking sold your regano. Dude like, yeah,

997
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: I have it.

998
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: What was Also, why isn't it ever your fault?

999
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: Herb?

1000
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: Why isn't it on you ever? All right? So, around

1001
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: the same time, a voice told Mullen to buy a

1002
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: gun because it would be a cleaner way of killing people.

1003
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: On January twenty fifth, nineteen seventy three, Herbert Mullen drove

1004
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: to Jim Jennara's house, or where Jim Jennara lived when

1005
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: they were in high school. When he got there, he

1006
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: met current resident Kathy Francis Uh, and she explained that

1007
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: Gennara didn't live there anymore. Herbert explained that he was

1008
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: a friend of Jim's, and so Kathy gave Jim gave

1009
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: Mullen Jim's new address UH. That night, Mullen drove to

1010
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: the Gennara's new home and shot and killed Jim Jennara

1011
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: and his wife Joan, and then dabbed them both repeatedly

1012
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: post mortem. Yeah. He then went back and murdered Kathy Francis.

1013
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: Then she got away and her two young sons.

1014
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 5: Fuck man, guys, it's in the name my favorite murder.

1015
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, oh, ma'am.

1016
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: Because both Jim Genara and Kathy Francis' husband had dealt

1017
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: drugs at one time, the police assumed that both of

1018
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: the murders, being the samem O, had to be drug related.

1019
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 2: Please.

1020
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: Less than two weeks later, Mullen saw four teenage boys

1021
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: camping and Henry Cowell Redwood State Park.

1022
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 2: You've been there?

1023
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, In fact, I didn't have time to look

1024
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: it up, but that might be where we went to camp.

1025
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding serious.

1026
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: Well, there's a bunch of state parks, but I would

1027
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: like it to be. These boys were David Ola eighteen,

1028
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: Robert Specter eighteen, Brian Card nineteen, and Mark Drabelbiss fifteen.

1029
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: Mullens approached them, posing as a park ranger and told

1030
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: them to leave, claiming that they were polluting the park.

1031
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh fucking hippies. When the boys dismissed him, He pulled

1032
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: the gun, shot them all one by one. He stole

1033
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: a rifle from that campsite, and then he left. Herbert

1034
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: Mullen's final murder took place on February thirteenth, nineteen seventy three.

1035
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, seventy three year old Fred Perez was gardening

1036
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: in his front yard. Mullen drove by and shot him

1037
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: with the rifle that he stole from that campsite. Luckily,

1038
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: a neighbor witnessed the whole thing, wrote down Mullen's license

1039
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: plate number, called the police, and Herbert Mullen was arrested

1040
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter with no incident. It is a nice feeling,

1041
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, they got him and he was arrested

1042
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: without incident. He was just like, yep, all right, we're

1043
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: done here. But then they get to the police station.

1044
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: This is kind of my favorite part. Okay, they get

1045
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: to the police station and Mullen was totally uncooperative. His

1046
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: response to every question the police asked was silence, which

1047
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: you have to admit, would be kind of fun if

1048
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: you got arrested. Yeah, then police were like, where were

1049
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: you on that silence?

1050
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try it next time I got arrested, I think,

1051
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: or really anytime.

1052
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you're welcome to thank you.

1053
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: So uh. When Edmund Kemper, the co ed killer, was arrested,

1054
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: he and Mullen were briefly held in adjoining cells. Santa

1055
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: Cruz besties, s Anna Cruz best friends, Kaylen all around

1056
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: the blood brothers. Through the fake gag, keep it up,

1057
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: keep it up, you fucking psycho. Kemper actually accused Mullen

1058
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: of stealing his dump sites, which is, hey, no, that

1059
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: you'd relax. He didn't even use dump sites, you fucking it.

1060
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: There's enough for everyone.

1061
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: Eventually, Herbert Mullen confessed to all thirteen murders, explaining to

1062
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: police that these human sacrifices were necessary for earthquake prevention.

1063
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: Only you can prevent forest fires, he said to the police,

1064
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: and then he yelled silence.

1065
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: Is that how they came up with the only you

1066
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: can prevent forest f Oh?

1067
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: Did you know that?

1068
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: What he looked a little bit like a bear, and

1069
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: they were like hold on.

1070
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: And he was naked on the waist now with a

1071
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: hat on.

1072
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: Really deep voice. He also claimed that he had telepathically

1073
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,479
Speaker 1: asked those four boys at the campsite if he could

1074
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: kill them and that they'd all given him permission.

1075
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: At least two of them would have been like fuck.

1076
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that's that's when the police began to

1077
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: beat him senseless really, and it's not on the internet anywhere,

1078
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: but we can pretty much be assured. In the end,

1079
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 1: Mullen was found guilty of two counts of first dree

1080
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: murder because they proved that Kathy Francis and Jim Jannara's

1081
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: murders were premeditated, but everything else they could not prove that.

1082
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: Also because he was so insane, so he had eight

1083
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 1: counts of second dragree murder. He was sentenced to life

1084
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: in prison. He will be eligible for all for parole

1085
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, when he is seventy four years old. No,

1086
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: I doubt it'll work.

1087
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: I doubt it'll work out, probably not, you know.

1088
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. That's all pretty good bye it.

1089
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: Listen, don't go off your meds everyone, No, I don't

1090
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 3: care what the fuck inspector of your dad is telling you.

1091
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't go off your meds.

1092
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you hear voices, and I mean like even

1093
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: if there's someone standing behind you in lie talking, get

1094
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: on those meds.

1095
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: Yep, I agree, back, I agree, okay, and we're back, Karen.

1096
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: Any updates.

1097
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: Yes, So Herbert Mullen was never granted parole. He died

1098
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: in prison of natural causes in twenty twenty two. So

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01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: since I told the story of Herbert Mullen, there have

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01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: been several either new or expanded mental health facilities that

1101
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: have opened in California. One in Madera and then one

1102
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: in Santa Rosa, which is the big town near Petaluma.

1103
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: There's Sacramento Glendora, which is obviously all great, we need

1104
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: those kinds of facilities, except for that they're for profit.

1105
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: So some of these new facilities have been linked to

1106
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: serious problems like understaffing, patient neglect, and even abuse and death.

1107
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: So awful, it's an oversight issue. In twenty twenty three,

1108
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: voters approved billions in funding to expand behavioral health infrastructure.

1109
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: But if we don't have stricter regulation, then those problems

1110
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: are They're just going to keep making things unsafe until

1111
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: all of that stuff gets seriously regulated. So while there's

1112
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: technically more mental health care now, it's a mixed bag

1113
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: because it doesn't mean better care.

1114
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't help but think about the fact

1115
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 3: that it's like, if it's for profit, why would they

1116
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 3: want people to get better? You know, like if the

1117
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 3: bed is filled, that's good, that's a positive that like

1118
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: doesn't that doesn't equate getting treatment, right right, So yes, that's.

1119
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: Just never going to happen.

1120
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: It's never going to happen in that where you're putting

1121
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: the goal way behind. The financial gain will always be

1122
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: fucked totally. But you know, it seems like such an

1123
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: old argument when we're literally building concentrates camps in this country.

1124
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 3: This would be a great argument to have if someone

1125
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 3: else was in the office, But none of it now matters.

1126
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: This is all mute. This is all a moot point

1127
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: because we.

1128
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: Should put on mute. That's mute the shit out of it,

1129
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: the only thing and that lately, especially with how egregious

1130
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: and insane everything is getting, it makes me go like

1131
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: it almost makes me feel like everybody's going to be

1132
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: able to come together or at least a larger percentage

1133
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: than could before, to say, hey, what we need is

1134
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: oversight regulation.

1135
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm serious. Yes, I hope, so, I hope.

1136
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: So we'll see if you have that opportunity. That's taken

1137
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 3: away from us too. Hey, you know, we did have

1138
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: an opportunity for though a.

1139
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: Hometown that at this live show. Chloe came and she

1140
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: talked about the very upsetting Tara Linda barbecue murders. I

1141
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: think we have time to do a hometown murder so too.

1142
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: Now here's the cool art. We know who we're gonna pick. Yeah,

1143
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: because her name is Chloe. Yeah, Chloe, where are you? No? Oh,

1144
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: she was fucking lying, she was fucking with Is there

1145
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: any way to bring these lights up a little bit?

1146
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: Chloe?

1147
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: You said you were going to be at the back

1148
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: of the orchestra pit.

1149
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: That's what this is, I think, right, I hear her?

1150
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: You, Chloe, do you know what an orchestra pit is?

1151
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: Because if you're yelling from anywhere that's not here.

1152
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: Did we forget to tell thee we're going to have

1153
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: someone from.

1154
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: The you're from oaksh Ah. There she is.

1155
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 6: The chair them, can you yeah? Yeah, go over there,

1156
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 6: Look over there. Look at that girl in the plaid shirt. Chloe,

1157
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 6: listen to my voice. See that girl that's waving her arms.

1158
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: Go to her. Jesus Christ, we werehearsed this fifteen times.

1159
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: Oh, that poor if she wasn't nervous before.

1160
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: Now we really built it up. Now I'm mad at her.

1161
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 2: Get out here.

1162
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: God damn it. These people are waiting. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1163
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: you're fine. It's fine. Yeah, so am. I looks that's Georgia.

1164
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: That's Georgia. That's Chloe.

1165
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: I love you?

1166
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: Are you really, Chloe?

1167
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: Yes?

1168
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: I am.

1169
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: Okay, Chloe tweeted at us. It's fine.

1170
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: I just signed up for Twitter yesterday. Let's get her

1171
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: some fowers.

1172
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: What's your handle? You know, what's your handle?

1173
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 4: We'll get you some follie Chloe Doors, it's my name.

1174
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: Oh that's adorable.

1175
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: There's a couple.

1176
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: Moly.

1177
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 3: There she goes, she's gonna have these two thousand followers

1178
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 3: by tomorrow.

1179
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: Here, So let's center up. Let's send it up. Closet me.

1180
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: This is real, So let's get a nice stage picture

1181
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: in the middle. I can't see any of you.

1182
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 4: Yeah right, just don't look at them.

1183
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: Okay, you have a hometown murder for us, you really?

1184
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1185
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: I can't do this, Okay, all right, I got it,

1186
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: read it all right? I mean we wish you would

1187
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: have memorized it. That's what we do, just wing it.

1188
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to pull a Van Morrison and just

1189
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: face it the back of the stage and try.

1190
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: Now that's bass. Yes, Rady, you here, make dare in

1191
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: my back while I tell you this.

1192
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: We can all do it.

1193
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, let's really quick. Okay, where are you from?

1194
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm from Fairfax. They love Fairfacts.

1195
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 4: Tiny tiny town, immorand not far from Pedaluma.

1196
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: That's what are you here with? This is why I

1197
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: tweeted you Avidly? Okay, fair Facts? Anyway, here are you

1198
01:06:59,640 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: here with?

1199
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 4: I'm here with my husband Luke and my good friend Katie.

1200
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: I can't see you, guys. It's fine. Ye see you

1201
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: guys tomorrow.

1202
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hang out with Karen and Georgia tonight.

1203
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: She's not.

1204
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 4: We all got kick.

1205
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh it's okay.

1206
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 4: So let's hear this hometown story. Is this a Fairfax murder? No,

1207
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 4: it's very close. Tarlnda. Okay, it's Tara Linda. Yes, super creepy.

1208
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 4: This is called the Barbecue Murders. I'm not fucking with you.

1209
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 4: I wrote it down terrified right now, just read it.

1210
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 4: Tarlinda is like a weird suburban colony of San Rafel.

1211
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 4: It's not a town, it's where the mall is. That's

1212
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 4: where you go to go to the mall. That's right,

1213
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 4: it's eerie. It's super weird there. So I'm just gonna

1214
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 4: read because I will start talking and barfing all over it.

1215
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: It'd be kind of cool. We're super punk rock like

1216
01:07:59,040 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: that I was.

1217
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 4: I was born in nineteen eighty two, so clearly this

1218
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 4: is not about you.

1219
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: So it was a rainy day in October.

1220
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 4: This is There's this thing about troylanda. It just feels

1221
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 4: like it was stuck in the eighties. It's like, you

1222
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 4: go there to go to the mall and it's the

1223
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 4: eighties and it's creepy.

1224
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: And there's a kaiser up on the hill.

1225
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 4: Kaiser a mall, that's all that there is there, Yeah,

1226
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 4: and a bun and a bunch of track housing and

1227
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:26,839
Speaker 4: like a sizzler.

1228
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to get my allergy shots at that

1229
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: kaiser three times a week. You really, yeah? Yeah.

1230
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 4: Anyway, this really horrible double murder happened there in nineteen

1231
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 4: seventy five.

1232
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: Okay, here come my notes, let's hear.

1233
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:46,839
Speaker 4: Them by a sixteen year old girl named Marlene Olive

1234
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 4: and her fucking loser boyfriend named Chuck.

1235
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was twenty.

1236
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: She was sixteen.

1237
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: And he was twenty and wed. The seventies, every twenty

1238
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: year old in the seventies was named Chuck.

1239
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 4: And yeah, this is the guy that sold drugs to

1240
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 4: the high school kids, not for money, but.

1241
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: To be cool. Yeah. Remember you just theoriz I got

1242
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: that off Wikipedia. You know, girl, you know?

1243
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

1244
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 4: Anyway, they started dating, and Marlene was really troubled, and

1245
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 4: she was adopted and she found out when she was

1246
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 4: really young that she was adopted on accident, So she

1247
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 4: was all kinds of fucked up and.

1248
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 3: She wasn't adopted on accident, she was adopted, and she

1249
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,480
Speaker 3: found out she found out gasped.

1250
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: Like clarification, we have a kid, noawed, No, we have

1251
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: the keeper.

1252
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 2: Oh I got the wrong in the wrong luggage at

1253
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 2: the airport. Oh well wow.

1254
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

1255
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 4: She had a great relationship with her adoptive father, but

1256
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 4: her adoptive mother was a schizophrenic alcoholic who was psychotic

1257
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 4: and was really mean to her and basically told her

1258
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 4: that her birth mom was a prostitute she was going

1259
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 4: to be one too, and all the stuff that makes

1260
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 4: you fucked up, I mean, yes, none, And then young

1261
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 4: Marlene yelled back sex.

1262
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: Worker exactly.

1263
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1264
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: It was the seventies.

1265
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 4: It was the seventies, and needless to say, it was

1266
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 4: the seventies, Marlene got super into the occult oh yeah,

1267
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 4: not real and doing.

1268
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 1: Lots of drugs, and.

1269
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 4: She hated her mom obviously because she was crazy and superman.

1270
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 4: And she decided that her parents had to die. And

1271
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 4: she also decided that her loser boyfriend had to.

1272
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: Be the one to kill them. Oh that's a good call. Actually,

1273
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: your hands cleaned, Marlene, right, I mean.

1274
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: You get a sixty.

1275
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: Not so dumb.

1276
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 4: Anyway, she had all the control in the relationship, obviously,

1277
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 4: because he agreed to do it. So one day she

1278
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 4: leaves the house with her dad, and Chuck sneaks in

1279
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 4: and kills Naomi, her mom, with a hammer.

1280
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: And a knife and some other stuff.

1281
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 4: And then and then Marlene's dad, Jim, comes home, finds Chuck,

1282
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 4: and uh, Chuck shoots him as well.

1283
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: So both parents are dead. Oh no, So.

1284
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 4: Chuck and Marlene clean up the place and take the

1285
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 4: bodies to this beautiful state park in Santa Fel called

1286
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 4: China Camp.

1287
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: China Camp. Yeah, I've had a Mickey's big mouth or

1288
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: two there myself.

1289
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 4: Like gorgeous, gorgeous. I can't go there ever again. And

1290
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 4: also just the FYI, the barbecue hit that they set

1291
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 4: the parents on fire and has been removed. Oh, don't

1292
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 4: try to find it.

1293
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry about it.

1294
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 3: You're like, why does this hence the barbecue?

1295
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they began set mom and dad on fire.

1296
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 4: Went home kind of right after they did that, because

1297
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 4: like logic.

1298
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: Left them burn.

1299
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, And then they went to go

1300
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: live in the olives home for about three days. The

1301
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 4: plan was to wait until the parents were pronounced dead

1302
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 4: and they collected the life insurance and then they could

1303
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 4: go move to Ecuador, so simple live their lives.

1304
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that plan didn't involve a joint.

1305
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 4: At some point, apparently they went to a yes concert, God,

1306
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 4: do not blame during time.

1307
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: Do not blame that. I don't.

1308
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 4: I don't even Anyway, they were caught, of course, because

1309
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 4: they're idiots.

1310
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: He's in prison for life.

1311
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 4: She went to some juvenile something she was fifteen or sixteen. Uh.

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Speaker 4: She was released after two years, moved to La became

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Speaker 4: some superstar in.

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Speaker 1: The like forgery. She did a lot of forgery. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you.

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Speaker 2: Now that's where we're going. She's a superstar.

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Speaker 1: Don't say anything.

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Speaker 4: Similarities their uncanny uncanny we all have past. I quickly

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Speaker 4: have two connections to this murder, besides just being a

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Speaker 4: super weird kid and totally obsessed with this at the

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Speaker 4: age of ten. Then there I made my mom drive

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Speaker 4: me to the house that happened, so I.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and your mom did it? Yes.

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Speaker 4: She was like, secretly, I think, kind of into it,

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Speaker 4: but she was like, this.

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Speaker 1: Is weird, Like everyone says that she was. She was

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Speaker 1: into it. We drove by.

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Speaker 4: But the really creepy thing is that when I was thirteen,

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Speaker 4: I started babysitting for a family about a block away

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Speaker 4: from that house, and it's all tracked housing there, so

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01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,799
Speaker 4: all the houses are the same. In the best selling

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Speaker 4: true crime book by Richard Levine about this story called

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01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 4: Bad Blood, a Marine County family murder.

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Speaker 1: Oh so there's a colon at the end of Blood, Okay,

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01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: he draws a layout of the home where both of

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Speaker 1: these parents are murdered, and it's exactly the same as

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01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: the house that I used to babysit in.

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Speaker 4: And I was just remembering thirteen and like putting these

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01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 4: kids down and walking around and being like.

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Speaker 2: This is where this happened.

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Speaker 4: I'm scintillated and excited and terrified pretty much everything I'm

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Speaker 4: feeling right now, I'm done.

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Speaker 7: I'm everybody nice, beautifully done, so.

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Speaker 4: Good, really good from a tweet we trusted the tweet fly.

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Speaker 1: I mean you just tell her to go with what's that?

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Speaker 2: Nothing?

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01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: That was magical? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love when that happens and it's not like some

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Speaker 3: weird person.

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Speaker 1: I know it never is, no, I mean twice, Yeah,

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01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: it's true. That is true. I just like that. If

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Speaker 1: we didn't, if we were just like, forget it, we're

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01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: not going to do that, and then she would have

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01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,919
Speaker 1: had that little folded up piece of paper in her pocket.

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Speaker 1: But that's not what happened. Everybody, It's like it's someone

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Speaker 1: else now.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to pretend like it was your story. Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any updates for Chloe's case?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Karen, Well, no updates, but we do

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01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 3: have a corrections corner corner. During the show, Chloe stated

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 3: that Charles Riley was in prison for life. In fact,

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01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 3: Riley was originally granted parole in twenty fourteen, nearly forty

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Speaker 3: years after his conviction for the nineteen seventy five double

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01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 3: murder of Naomi and Jim Olive. The parole board cited

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Speaker 3: his decades of model behavior, completion of rehabilitation programs, and

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01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: expressed remorse. Psychological evaluations concluded he posed a low risk

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01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 3: of reoffending. Governor Jerry Brown reversed the decision in twenty fourteen,

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 3: but a state appeals court overturned that reversal in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 3: allowing Riley to be released at the age of fifty nine. Which,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the whole point is rehabilitation, right completely.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if he had to pass all of those

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01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: tests and they're like, yep, we're putting him through every

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01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: possible stress test and he's passing, Yes, let him out

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: because he was a very young man when this happened. Yeah,

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01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: what you do in you're twenty Like yeah, now he's sixty. Yeah,

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: but you know that doesn't help the victims' families. It's

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01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: just such a hard it's a hard discussion to have.

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01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 3: Because it's just impossible to get to a period about it.

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01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: Completely, and there's such the losses so great that it

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01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: kind of doesn't matter. On the other side, when you

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01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: start talking about the offender, it's again it's like all

1383
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: that kind of extraneous, like, well, that's a nice idea. Meanwhile,

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01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:04,839
Speaker 1: our loved ones are dead totally.

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01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well, maybe we'll say hi to Chloe

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01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 3: when we're back in Oakland at the Paramount Theater on

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01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 3: October second and third of this year, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Our lord, nice plug. Thanks. Yeah, I think at the

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01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: time of this recording, tickets are still available. Okay, we

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01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: should talk about titles. Obviously, as we bragged, this episode

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01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: was originally titled Live at the Fox Theater.

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01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 3: That's right, But if we were naming it today based

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01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: on something that was said during the episode.

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01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it would be pockets. Pockets, Pockets.

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Speaker 1: I think it was so satisfying, how much like the

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01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: sale response, how much people agree with us and we

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: agree with them that pockets up for women's clothes are

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01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: a necessity.

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Speaker 3: A worth of standing ovation, Like, That's one of the

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01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 3: many things I've learned during this podcast. The biggest surprises

1401
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 3: of this podcast is that people will cheer a dress

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01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 3: with pockets, and that makes me like kind of feel

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01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:05,759
Speaker 3: okay about.

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01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 2: The human race.

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01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I think we are doing okay, and I think

1407
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 1: them playing along with our let's show off our outfits

1408
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: like we're five years old, is like, this is one

1409
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: of the first times we did that, and it made

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01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 1: it so fun. We we're like, oh, yeah, this is

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01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: just it's all the gals together.

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01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when I did a twirl when we were

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 3: in Texas and showed everyone my underwear on accident.

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember when you broke the back out of that

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01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: one dress just for fun as my I think that

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01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: might be my favorite tour Malia.

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 3: I thought about that while I was trying on dresses

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01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 3: today because there were a couple that were like, this

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01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 3: fits quote, but like there's not a room for a breath.

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01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: You know, But I think that's when you're on the

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01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: edge there. Yeah, still loves that tension.

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01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 3: Like you can't sit comfortably, but what's it's a live show,

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01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 3: why would you.

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01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: No, No one's comfortable Georgia. Also, the title could be

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01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: sounds like our government. Oh it's just it never stops.

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: Uh was talking about Lauren Herzog's tattoos during her story

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01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: and said that line that's always applicable apparently.

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01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 3: Sounds like our government. And of course Chloe's classic. We

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01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 3: could call it pulla Van Morrison.

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, such a good joke. We must so genius.

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01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: Well that's a live show. Rewind.

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01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for listening.

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01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 3: We'll let the Karen and Georgia from then and there

1434
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 3: at the Fox Theater say goodbye for us. Yes, oh really,

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01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 3: Stephen offered to drive up from Los Angeles to bring

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01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 3: my passport.

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01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: Oh my okay, I gotta tell you what. Ever, since

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01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: Steven has been promoted from just like the guy that

1439
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: records our podcast so we don't have to like move

1440
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: the dials and stuff, we were like, Stephen, you please

1441
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: help us with these emails and he's like, Okay, I

1442
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 1: totally will. He's completely organized all of our hometown murder emails.

1443
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: But now he's turned into like the super assistant, where

1444
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: like like what did he say?

1445
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 2: He was like, are you gonna text to it?

1446
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

1447
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 3: He was like, Hey, I just want to let you

1448
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 3: know you're on you Wator hotel and they have a

1449
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 3: printer so if you need to print out your story

1450
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 3: that it's there.

1451
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I'm hotels work, Stephen.

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01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: It was like calling hotels, Yes, I need to speak

1453
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: to the business center.

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01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 2: Do you have papers? She likes this kind of grain.

1455
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: Don't look her in the eye when she goes into

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01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: the business center.

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01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 3: I actually didn't print it up there and I was

1458
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 3: going to send her to them, but it said speed

1459
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 3: Freak Killers the name of the documents.

1460
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna print it at the venue.

1461
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 1: Just a little paperwork from a job.

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01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yes.

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01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 3: Hi to Stephen Ray Morris for being an angel baby

1464
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 3: even Ray Morris.

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01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 7: Yeah you know who else is the best? To the

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01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 7: Fox Theater in Oakland, California. Thank you guys so much

1467
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 7: and you are so much. This is amazing. We love

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01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 7: you for coming here.

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01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, we love you for getting tickets and they

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01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: fucking being a part of our world. First night of

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Speaker 1: our tour, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: First night, you know what, stay sexy and joke get

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01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: Bye wo