WEBVTT - Paul Janeway of St. Paul & The Broken Bones 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:05.120 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.799 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name's Jordan Runtag, But enough 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.400 about me. My guest today honed his singular voice in 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.400 the church choir. In fact, he briefly trained to be 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.759 a preacher before his calling let him elsewhere. Many of 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.279 those who've heard his songs are seen and performed would 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.200 agree that there's still a touch of the fire and 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.600 brimstone and his singing, and also a touch of the divine. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.480 His soulful spirit has made him a favorite of musical giants. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.080 The Rolling Stones invited his band to open for them. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.839 Elton John has shared a stage with them, and Stephen 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.360 Colbert tapped him the sing on the premier episode of 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.519 his late show. Those music bears traces of his gospel upbringing. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.280 His latest record, The Alien Coast, is a massive creative 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.800 leap forward, infusing hip hop beats, samples, and scynths along 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.560 with the band's trademark horns and fluid funk. Its lyrical 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.840 inspirations are equally diverse, pulling in imagery from dystopian sci fi, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:05.000 Greek mythology, seventeenth century Italian sculpture, and colonial history books. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.240 This Bewitching Brew is out now and it needs to 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.280 be heard to be believed. From the mighty St. Paul 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.800 and the Broken Bones, I'm so happy to welcome St. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:24.200 Paul himself, Paul Jane Win so much I want to 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:25.760 talk to you about. I want to start with your 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.520 new record, The Alien Coast. It's been called an ambitious 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.640 musical fever dream, which is perhaps the most awesome description 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.520 of an album I've ever heard. How did this start 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.400 for you? How did it come together? Well, I mean 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:46.000 it kind of man, it started in uh uh yeah, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.720 so it really was a record that um it started. 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:55.120 It started I think really January twenty nine, and we 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.200 we knew we were, you know, doing demoing and doing 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.000 the thing. We knew like, oh, this is gonna be 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.720 a little bit different, and so as we kind of 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.160 went through the process, I think we finished up the 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:13.520 record by March, basically right before it's all held recluse perfect. Yeah, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:18.400 it was a great timing, perfect timing. Um but uh yeah, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:20.440 you know, over time we kind of knew with the 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.400 demos were going, and it was like, okay, this is 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.440 this is different, and um I was the kind of 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.720 concept and all I was kind of working through myself 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:35.480 and and this kind of for some reason it seemed 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.080 appropriate to like think of it as like a fever 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.280 dream or a nightmare or however you want of you, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.120 you know, with some kind of surrealist touches and things 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.079 like that. And then basically the last two songs are 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.600 me kind of waking up, going on just you know, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:57.320 lonely and and and and sad. So um. It's a 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.280 concept that it took a little time to kind of 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.639 finesse and and get there, and but we finally got there. Um, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.160 and I'm pretty proud of it. Him you mentioned the 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.200 last two tracks, I man, the album closes with love 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.640 Letter from Red Roof, in which he says, kind of 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.720 like the key to the whole record. It kind of like, 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.079 oh I see or have all these you know, the 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.040 all the somebody of the prior tracks are just taking 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.000 influence from an incredible range of influences, from the Greek 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:27.239 mythology and Dystopian sci fi stuff, and you know, seventeenth 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.519 century Italian sculpture, and then all of a sudden, you're 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.160 you go from you know, seventeenth centuries Italian sculpture to 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.240 Read Roof in all of a sudden you think, oh, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.440 what you just said about it kind of being this 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.760 concept that lands here right back at this very specific place. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.640 Talked a little bit bit more about that. That final 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.800 track it really does kind of like ground the album 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.120 and is it's a great almost like a twist ending Yeah, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.800 in a way, it is. I think what I really 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.800 liked about it, you know, because what was interesting is 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.200 that we had folks in our camp. They were like, hey, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.600 you should play that. That song should be earlier in 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.840 the album, and I kept saying, it doesn't. The album 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.680 doesn't make sense to me, you know, I did that, 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.800 you know, it was it was you know, I get 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:13.880 that it's you know, maybe a little closer to something 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.520 we would do. But I was just like, it just 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.400 doesn't make any sense to me, uh, from from the 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.480 kind of the story of the record. And so I 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.760 kind of that song was written in much like a 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.440 place I am right now in a hotel room on 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.320 a hotel uh you know, notepad, and I was just missing, 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.000 missing home, you know, missing, and you know, and like 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:41.320 I love that song because it it the course is 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.240 kind of a cliche j and I referenced that in 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.280 the song, like I'm not as smart as you think 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.599 I am. So let me just say another you know, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.000 let me just tell you another cliche. Man, I thought, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.520 I always like that. I like that. I like that 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.880 song for that reason a lot. How did some of 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:02.479 the more sort of surreal visions take shape for you? 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.880 I mean, I know there's, um, you know, there's the 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.159 one song that's inspired by the painting. Uh st Michael 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.200 triumphs over the Devil. Uh How does that take shape 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.040 for you? Do you have the music and then it 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:18.200 reminds you of this kind of really terrifying painting or 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.880 do you see you did you see a picture of 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.880 the painting and kind of thing? Oh my god, that 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.279 that sense of fear that it fills in with really 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.480 stuck with me. I want to write a song about that. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:32.640 I saw the painting when I was in London and it, um, 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.640 that's kind of what I do, like either frequent and 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.440 art museum or a record store, and that's basically what 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.480 I do when I'm on the road. Um. But I 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.320 remember seeing the painting and the devil and it is 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.880 is horrifying. It's a horrifying demon, you know, like this 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.680 crazy with like red eyes and sharp teeth, and you know, 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.920 it's kind of metallic looking like a like some sort 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:59.240 of like you know, Industrial Revolution kind of machinery that 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:04.359 was made. UM. And I that was always kind of 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.400 a nightmare kind of character. And so when I was 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.680 writing the record, UM, you know, I had a night 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.880 in UM, I had an emergency appdecte on me and 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.039 I had a night like with a with a morphine drip, 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.640 and uh, it was kind of a crazy kind of night. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.800 And I think, yeah, I think about that. UM before 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.400 I we wrote this record, I kind of had that 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.120 experience and I was like, oh, this is kind of 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:37.039 this fever dream. And my wife was actually in UM. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.800 She was actually in Ireland for work, and so I 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.520 had nobody kind of there. Um, eventually my my my 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.400 mom had come. So it was a weird night. You know, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.120 you're like on morphine and so it's kind of this 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.520 nightmare and you're like you're not sure where you're at. UM. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.120 So I that character always kind of popped his popped 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:59.479 his face at at times. Wow. I mean that's jeez, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.320 that's absolutely that that Okay, that that's a real life 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:07.279 horror to go with the artistic horror. Good Lord, you 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.000 mentioned your wife. She's a professor and I believe as 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.080 a master's in literature. I mean does she uh, As 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.160 I said earlier, I mean there's so many, just such 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.560 an incredible array of influences on this record. Did any 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.040 of those come through her? I mean through um, you 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:22.840 know books, she might have turned you onto her stuff 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:27.720 like that. Um. It definitely like she you know, um, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.760 what's spend a like a like three weeks in Rome 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:36.600 and Florence. Um, and I would obviously go see those paintings, 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.320 you know, go see like the Carvaggios and the Berninese 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.960 and and all this amazing you know, our sculpture and 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:50.720 architecture and so long. So definitely that I Um, it's 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:56.200 at times I'm scared to show her stuff because she is, uh, 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.960 you know, a lot smarter than I am. So I 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.320 get you know, I'm like gout and she's relentless, like 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.360 she will tell me. UM. So we kind of have 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.080 an agreement, you know, uh that, but I would say 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.800 not on this particular thing like she Definitely we definitely 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.680 were in the same place as though, you know, like 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.240 we saw the same thing and it reached me in 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.559 that way, I guess. I mean, it's definitely this record 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.360 seems to have a much broader pallative sounds and musical influences. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.240 I mean there's synths and hip hop beats and samples 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.280 in addition to kind of more of the gospel background stuff. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.240 What led you to branch out like this was that 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.720 the goal all along? Or was was it sort of 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.680 having you know, just sort of because I knew you 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.800 recorded near your home in in Birmingham, was it easier 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.800 to just sort of keep going back to the studio 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.000 and playing around and experimenting, or a little bit of both. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.199 I think we had time, you know, I think we 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.320 had time, and we when we started getting so we 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.200 basically have like a drop box that we it's like 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:03.600 a band drop box that just has demos, right, and 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.080 we just put demo after demo after demo in there. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.080 And I knew when I started hearing the demos that 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.680 I was like, Okay, this is going in a different direction. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.720 This is going this is going to be a little different. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.200 So I knew it was like, we need time in 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.040 the studio to work this, flesh this out so that 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.320 it is not too metallic sounding, that it has some 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.239 organic feel to it. Because the demos were very like electronic, 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.560 very you know, electronic, and we even use parts of 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.920 the demo in the songs um and in the song's 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:37.600 final final version. Wow, I did realized that. I mean, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.160 is that like sort of the the uh, the bedrock 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.320 of it and then kind of embroidering. Yeah, some of them, 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.040 sure is. Some of them we've rebuilt from the ground up. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.600 And then some of them were like when that that 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.400 was a really good sound, so we need to kind 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.800 of we can't. We can't reproduce it. And that's kind 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.480 of what happens sometimes you make a sound and you're like, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:01.320 there's no reproducing it. You captured that particular in that moment, so, um, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.480 that's what. So we had to put it in the 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.720 final track. And you mentioned having the band dropbox. I mean, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.240 did you do a lot of stuff in the room 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.400 together to I mean, I'm thinking of something like Minotaur, 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.040 which just feels like it has something that just it 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.480 does feel so like you're bouncing off each other in 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.719 a room together, you would think, but no, that is 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:24.680 not the case. I know. No. Um, we we That 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:29.360 one was a mutilation of a demo, is what that was. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.240 That was one that our guitar player put the demo 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.160 in and then Jesse, the bass players like, hey, I 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:42.000 think I'm gonna mess with this, and so it definitely, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.760 uh was a a remix, I guess, and so we 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.160 were like, but we just liked the way to feel. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.840 And then once you get in the room and you 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.160 play it like you feel, you know there there was 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.040 a field there and the band I think really captured it, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.720 which was great. Um, but only there's only a couple 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.400 of songs that were like sad, you know, like Burmehell 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.960 and the Devil was definitely a song that was created 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.120 at a sound check. Um. It was one little like 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.800 little phrase and it was like, Okay, that's right, that's 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.320 the right thing that did. Um. I'm trying to think 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.600 what else. Um. Red Roof I think was as well, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.880 but yeah, it was. It was an interesting process for sure. 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.000 I think I read that the first album you ever 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.880 bought was Otis Sings the Blues, which is just so 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.960 much just infinitely cooler than like pretty much any first 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.880 album I ever bought. Story that I've never heard. Who 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.840 were some people that that made you passionate about about 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:55.560 music growing up? Um? Talking about artists or or or 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:01.400 people in my life? Oh either, Um, I mean artists, 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.040 I mean, obviously you do have some of my code 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.400 of spreading or that there was a seventies group called 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:10.080 the Stylistics that you know, I really loved Sam Cook, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.000 Marvin Gaye, all those folks. But um, you know, at 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.000 the same time, like my mom, you know, played piano 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.400 and and and she played piano. I mean she plays 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:25.040 piano now, and you know, singing in church and things 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.360 like that. Definitely, I don't it's weird, Like, I don't know, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.720 I was necessarily passionate about that. I just really really 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.360 really liked it. And then as I got older, you know, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.520 into my later teens, then I got passionate about it. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.439 Then I really started to kind of trying to devour 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.560 everything I wanted to. Was there a tipping point for 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.000 you or was it just realizing that you have this 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:52.400 fantastic instrument that that was your own, that really is 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.040 so unique and special and made you want to develop 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.680 it more. I don't know if I've arrived quite there 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.720 where I feel like the fantastic thing, but it's I 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.040 can typically do all right in most situations. Um, I 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.800 don't know. I don't definitely feel like I've arrived or anything. 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.480 But there was a moment when I did some open 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.360 mic nights in Birmingham and I was doing original songs 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.600 and it was getting a reaction. So I was like, okay, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.960 well that's that feels good right, you know. And so 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.600 and then someone told me like, look, you're not a 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.560 great guitar player. Which I'm not a great guitar player. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.480 I can I can get around around around while. But 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.480 they were like, you're you know, you're a pretty decent singer. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.000 You should really pursue this. And I had a few 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:40.600 friends that were really encouraging and I was like, okay, 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.240 you know, like and so I gave it a shot, 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.400 you know. And I met Jesse, who was the bass 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.719 player in this band, and he he was the kind 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.440 of guy that had been in several different bands and 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.440 try you know what I mean, Like his dream was 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.840 to be a musician. That's all he ever wanted to be. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.160 And for me, I was just kind of like, I 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.640 just want friends and people to hang out with and hopefully, 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.840 you know, they won't kick me out of the band 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:09.240 because I sound bad, right, And so that relationship really blossomed. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.040 And that was if it weren't for Jesse, I wouldn't 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.680 be doing what I'm doing. And this is a question 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.640 that's going to give away the fact that I've I've 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.600 never written the song of my life. I'm always curious 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.400 when I speak to people who are are blessed with 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.400 the ability to write music kind of what compels them 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.320 to do So is it a desire to connect with 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.240 other people or is it to get something out of yourself? 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.400 And if you were on a desert island, you'd be 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.520 writing just as much because you just need to get 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.080 this out of you. Or is it a combination of both. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.120 I think it's a combination of both. I think it's 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.240 a combination of both. I think for me, there are 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.920 times where you feel like you just have to get 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.160 it out. There's some sort of creative input or output 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.080 that you need to do, you really need to need 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.000 to do, and you have it is kind of like 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.840 a therapeutic thing too, you know, like, UM, for me, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:03.000 there is a therapy element too, for sure, UM. And 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.840 I think just trying to figure that out and go 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.680 through that. UM. But at the same time, yeah, it 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.680 is about connecting with people. And I mean I have 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:16.520 learned that you don't you can't be trying to write 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.800 songs to please people at first you have to please yourself, 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.840 because what ends up happening is if you try, if 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.320 you're trying to please people, you could write a song 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.280 that you don't like but that people do, and you 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.520 end up hating you know, you end up hating playing 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.160 that song. So the hope is is that you write 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.400 a song that you like and that God willing someone 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.440 else is gonna like it, because of course you want that, right. Um, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.320 But I think there's certain there are certain things I 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.480 certain songs or albums I would have written whether I 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.120 was you know, if I was if I was you know, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.680 a mailman or you know what I mean, like something 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.640 like that. Like there are there are albums like that, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.920 and then there are the ones that's like how creative 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.920 can we get and how creative? How far can we 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.600 go and stretch stretch the limits of what we do? 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.720 And God willing connect with people. I know that connecting 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.120 with people in the last two years has been kind 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.800 of a challenge. Has there been a silver lining at 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.040 all of this? This kind of enforced home period for you? 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.600 For me? Yeah, I mean my my wife and I 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.800 or you know, she had the child. Um, I've just cheerly. Um, 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.000 you know, she had we had our first child in September, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:41.680 and so thank you. And it was this beautiful thing obviously, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.360 and I got to I got to you know, if 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.920 I'd have been touring, I would not have been able 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.840 to be there for that. It was weird going through 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:55.120 that through covid um it made for a very unique experience. Um. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.280 It's like when I see people complaining about wearing a 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.720 mask and I saw my wife in laboring for four 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:05.959 hours with a mask on, I'm like, shut up, you 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.600 know what I mean, Like, I'm pretty sure that's and 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:13.520 so uh so, but that that really did And I've 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.840 I've gotten to be able to be there with Marigold 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:20.880 and and my wife and that has been a beautiful thing. Um. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.960 That's that. That is definitely the biggest silver lining you 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.800 could have. I feel like, oh, absolutely, I know you 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.119 had your your grandfather's voice on your last album. Uh 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.879 would you ever include Marigold's voice on upcoming songs that 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.720 continueum going? Who knows? I mean right, it was not. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.679 It was one of those things where yeah, it's it's interesting, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.720 but who knows, but it is it is it Definitely 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.800 you definitely can draw some inspiration for from it. There's 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.320 no two ways about that. Oh yeah, I was gonna 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.119 say it is that has that becoming a father cropped 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.160 up in in your music at all? And you're in 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.600 some of the more news not Yeah. I mean, you know, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.240 because this record was written before she was she I 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:08.080 mean this record was written. It was pretty much written 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.000 before I knew she was she was going to be 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:16.560 a thing. And uh, and so it definitely definitely can 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.280 you know, inspire inspires you and and uh and so on. 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.399 You know, it sounds like the record was was done 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:39.160 right when lockdown and everything started. But um, has uh 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.240 the last year and a half been a musically productive 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.119 time for you? Have you been writing a lot just 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:46.639 sort of while you've been kind of at home or 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.639 I mean, this has been a very fruit I know 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.000 some artists had a really hard time with it, and 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.320 I get it, like you do kind of have to 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.920 live life to to write music, and when you can't 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.879 live life, it's hard to music. Um. I'm very fortunate 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.840 because I'm surrounded by a lot of really creative people 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.600 and so if maybe I'm not feeling something, there's someone 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.879 else who's pushing the pushing me or pushing you know. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:20.399 I like to be busy, right, and and so it was. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.840 It was difficult though, because I did hit a wall 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.399 where I was like, Okay, what am I What am 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.960 I gonna write about now? Like, what's what's inspiring me, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.240 what's moving me? And it's it just there wasn't much 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:33.960 going on, so you do you do hit a wall. 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.240 I think I definitely had a wall. There's only so 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.960 many TV shows you're gonna watch, and you know, it's 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.879 like what you can read. I did think I was 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.520 gonna read a lot more, and I did not read 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.720 as much as I thought. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:53.119 I'm gonna read so much there, and I I'm usually 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:54.920 pretty good, you know, I go in my I'm very 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.560 cyclical in my reading habits. I'll be like ferocious and 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.880 then I'll be like I'll struggle with you know, one 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.920 book or something, you know, as a month or something. 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.680 So it's, uh, it's a weird thing. But I definitely 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.280 thought I was going to read away more during cold 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.919 Quarantine than I did. What You are extremely high on 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:15.600 the list of people that I am dying to know 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.879 what you've been listening to recently because I watched the 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:20.800 great video of you. I forget who it was with, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:22.520 but it was you. Uh. I think it was called 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.040 on the record going to a record store and uh, 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.080 watching you pick out your you know something to buy 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.359 it a vinyl store. I forget where it was, but 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.520 I'd love to know what what you've been listening to recently? 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.960 Oh man, what have I been listening to recently? Um? 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:45.840 Besides myself? Um, but I uh, I was trying to think, 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.159 what have I been listening to? I mean, I have 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.240 to look at it. I've been listening to so much 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:57.080 stuff that, like, it's kind of ridiculous at this point. Um, 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.720 I've listened to actually recently got it got more like 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.200 I love them the Neville Brothers, So I started listening 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:08.399 to like Yellow Moon things like that. Um. There's this 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:15.399 great record um by Ernest Hood. It's called Neighborhoods and 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.000 it's basically this recording and this is I guess it's 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.119 from the seventies, and it's this recording of him, like 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:27.880 recording like things in his neighborhood. And it's kind of like, um, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:32.240 kind of minimalist kind of music accompanying like these sounds 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.280 of children playing in the neighborhood. Things like that. It's 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:40.120 really interesting, really cool, Um, I like that. That one's 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.840 I've been really into. So, um, that's a good one. 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.240 That's a good one. Oh, I got Ernest Hood. You 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.920 said Ernestthood. Oh, I gotta check that out. I'm embarrassed 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:51.960 even asked you if you've heard this, because of course 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.479 you have. But I've been playing um like a ship 0:21:55.240 --> 0:22:01.400 pastor tel Barrett lately. Yeah, that's a great so much. 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.880 That's so good. And I know there's a new one 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.200 out lately. I've actually haven't heard it yet, but I've 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.200 heard it's really good. Yeah, I that's that's some good 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.480 stuff for sure. Oh that's so good. Yeah, it's been 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.800 funny too. I feel like a lot of people I 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.760 know myself included, during uh you know, this sort of 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.119 unsettled time to put up mildly, I have been turning 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.520 back into listening to stuff that I haven't listened to 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:28.240 since high school, just way throw like musical comfort food 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.119 in a way. I don't know if you've been feeling 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.600 that way. Yeah, you're right. There is a little bit 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.679 of that, Like there is a little bit of of 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:41.440 going back a little bit and finding what conference Shoot, um, 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.800 I it's weird, Like I can always listen to like 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.760