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Speaker 1: Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 1: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings.

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Speaker 3: We are a sibling. Railvalry.

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Speaker 2: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 3: Revely.

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Speaker 2: That's good, Ollie. Missus Obama said very clearly that she

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Speaker 2: wanted casual vibes.

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Speaker 1: Is on the bottom. Scott Jennings from CNN on top.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited right now.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you guys got dressed up.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm telling you right now, I'm dressed.

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Speaker 3: Up and I'm wearing sweats. I feel I am.

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Speaker 2: Not dressed up. I'm wearing my nikeout.

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Speaker 4: I am looking at who's got a suit on?

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Speaker 5: Yeah it's Oliver, dude, and you got your hair slicked

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Speaker 5: back shirts.

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Speaker 3: On at least underneath that.

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Speaker 2: I have never seen Oliver like this.

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Speaker 3: Listen, like ever.

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Speaker 4: I look at you. You're so handsome.

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Speaker 3: Okay, my sister brings out the best and.

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Speaker 4: Everybody your fifth boy suit on.

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Speaker 6: I'm wrapping both so I got you know, but then

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Speaker 6: you know, look, I got Craig on the bottom.

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Speaker 7: Oh, you got shorts on the bottom, all right, all right,

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Speaker 7: and I got so bad.

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Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, god, I laughed so hard when I

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Speaker 8: when I turned on my screen, I was like, Oliver,

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Speaker 8: this was a clear directive.

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Speaker 6: No, I know, I just I just worked out and

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Speaker 6: I came home and I'm like, I gotta do something.

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Speaker 6: And then I put this on and looked at myself

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Speaker 6: and I was like, oh my god, I look like

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Speaker 6: Scott Jennings from you look like a movie star.

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Speaker 4: What we thought we were on the wrong zoom. I

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Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, like, don't turn here.

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Speaker 2: I am so happy to have you on. I'm so excited,

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Speaker 2: Craig Michelle can't wait to get into like yeah, growing

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Speaker 2: up and your childhood and how fun. And thank you

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Speaker 2: for coming on our podcast. We're saying you were having us.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited. We're excited too, very hold on it.

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Speaker 6: Before we do get started. This suit is actually represents

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Speaker 6: my my litigious nature as well. Because I know you've

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Speaker 6: got your podcast. I am all right, you guys are brothers.

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Speaker 6: Just we did this five years ago, so expect to.

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Speaker 1: Hear from our lawyers.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you're biting, and that's fine, Yes we are.

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Speaker 7: We're biting hard. But you know, I really liked the

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Speaker 7: name of your sibling, Revelry.

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Speaker 3: That's a really cool.

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Speaker 2: Play, Craig. I got really excited going into your history.

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Speaker 2: You've got quite the quite the stats, and now as

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Speaker 2: a fake basketball owner on running point, I got really

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Speaker 2: excited because I really got to go deep into like

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Speaker 2: your history of basketball. I mean, you still hold like

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Speaker 2: records and stuff.

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Speaker 7: I'm hoping that's that some young whipper snapper comes along

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Speaker 7: and breaks those records so we can stop talking about it.

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Speaker 3: This is like prehistoric history. But I appreciate it, Kate.

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Speaker 4: It was so cool.

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Speaker 2: I loved it. It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: How are you enjoying playing a basketball Maven?

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. It's so much fun.

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Speaker 2: There was one day where I was on set and

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Speaker 2: it was me and like forty five very handsome men,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, Mindy Kahling just knew I was

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Speaker 2: the right girl.

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Speaker 4: It's not a bad situation, Kate.

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Speaker 5: You know that was my whole feeling about having a brother,

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Speaker 5: a big brother that was in basketball, because I was like,

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Speaker 5: that's where I met half the guys I dated when

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Speaker 5: I was little. You know, I was like, you go

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Speaker 5: to the game and you're like, oh, who's scoring more?

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Speaker 5: And then and then I'd have my brother to be like,

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Speaker 5: how's this dude? Is he he's new?

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Speaker 4: Is he cute? Is he nice? He'd give me the

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Speaker 4: thumbs up.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought you were going to say who's

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Speaker 1: scoring more? Like you or me? That's what I thought.

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Speaker 5: It sounded like she was going there trying to keep

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Speaker 5: it clean, trying to keep it clean.

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Speaker 4: But Kate, I am a huge fan running point.

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Speaker 5: That's it's it's it's on my top list that you

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Speaker 4: It is funny.

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Speaker 5: The cast is I don't want a fangirl out, but

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Speaker 5: the cast is amazing. Storylinees good, good good. I'm ready

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Speaker 5: for season two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for saying that. We are. We are too

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Speaker 2: where they're in the writer's room right now, and it's

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Speaker 2: really it's going to be such a fun season. So

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited. So, you know what, I'm just happy

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Speaker 2: to have a job. You know, Hey, that's how we feel.

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Speaker 2: What means you want to do the podcast?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 5: You know, I mean, first of all, our team asked,

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Speaker 5: and you.

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Speaker 4: Know it starts there.

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Speaker 5: We've got our audio hub, higher Ground Audio, and it

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Speaker 5: was it's useful for the UH, for for the for

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Speaker 5: the brand to have a always on, you know, good show.

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Speaker 5: And I think everybody was scared to ask me to

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Speaker 5: as first lady. Nobody wants to ask me anything directly,

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Speaker 5: so they asked Craig.

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Speaker 3: They were scared.

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Speaker 4: They were scared.

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Speaker 5: They were like, she's not gonna want to do this,

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Speaker 5: So they got the call saying, well, what if you

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Speaker 4: I was like, that sounds fun.

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Speaker 5: I would love to spend more time with my big

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Speaker 5: brother and chop it up. He's one of my favorite people.

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Speaker 5: He has to do all the heavy lifting anyway, so

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Speaker 5: just like being a big brother, you know, he's doing

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Speaker 2: So I wish it was that way for me.

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Speaker 1: And oh my god, wait a minute, hold on, like.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm lying all he's doing a lot of heavy

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Speaker 2: What's so wonderful is really getting to spend that time

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Speaker 2: didn't even realize when Oliver and I got into it's

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Speaker 2: And in adulthood, you got your kids and you got

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Speaker 2: Both have huge lives, and you don't realize that you

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Speaker 2: And it just brought Allie and I so much closer and.

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Speaker 6: You feel like that you feel like you guys have

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Speaker 7: I do, especially Oliver because you know, when Meesh and

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Speaker 7: It was always around Thanksgiving, so we'd have Thanksgiving dinner

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Speaker 5: We are really interestingly enough of both people people, you know,

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Speaker 5: same way. You know, both really very curious. We both

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Speaker 5: we grew up talking around the kitchen table. We do

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Speaker 4: So it's been a really really fun experience.

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Speaker 6: And how much you have to filter yourself, you know,

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Speaker 6: Like I'm a pretty unfiltered person. You have to filter

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Speaker 7: And and I think the best part about this podcast

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Speaker 7: But I was more free than they were because when

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Speaker 7: it was always at a press conference on why my

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Speaker 1: So I I could be very frank. Then that's funny.

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Speaker 6: beyond who's in the White House now has to button

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Speaker 6: it up a little bit because you're representing something, you know,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you got to sort of shut it down

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Speaker 6: if you are wild crazy.

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Speaker 7: Fortunately I've never been that wild and crazy. I of

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Speaker 3: If if if they.

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Speaker 7: Hadn't been in the White House, I would be Nobody

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Speaker 7: would know who I was other than you know, a

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Speaker 5: I think that alone, that one act, you know, just

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, those are stories I could we could both

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Speaker 5: That gave us like a good foundation to fight for ourselves,

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Speaker 4: But that came from two folks who didn't go to college.

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Speaker 5: So well, it was a little more than that, Craig.

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Speaker 4: You know, you better value it.

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Speaker 4: You you have to want this more than I do.

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Speaker 5: And she was there. She'd be up in the morning.

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Speaker 5: It's like, don't get the a for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk We talked about that a lot.

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Speaker 6: I think you can go a few different ways well too.

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Speaker 6: They are absorbing, they know what's going on. And you know,

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Speaker 6: Kate and now were the opposite. We we didn't want

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Speaker 6: We didn't want to leave our children. We wanted to

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Speaker 4: No? No, I mean because.

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Speaker 7: Was just going to say, here's where you raised in

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Speaker 4: I mean, how so tell tell, tell me more.

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Speaker 7: We were allowed to watch one hour of TV a day.

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Speaker 7: That's strict. Just think about that one hour of television.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, but that was because Mom wanted to make

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Speaker 7: I'd played two games, I'd have to run home say Mom,

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Speaker 7: My sister never came outside. I thought that was pretty

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Speaker 7: Like I felt like I was. It was stricter for me.

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Speaker 7: Now I'm not saying it was. You know, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: The day, right all the time.

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Speaker 7: It was really interesting because we had bikes and we

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Speaker 4: The you just had to earn.

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Speaker 5: You had to earn the next level of responsibility, and

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Speaker 2: They're basically like little motorcycles. And my son just wants

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 6: Like, I'm going to go on a bike ride. Then

446
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 6: he shows me video he's in a ride out and

447
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 6: that sounds there's like a hundred different people on ATV's

448
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 6: motorcycles and they just command the streets. Yeah, one of

449
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 6: those he's like wheeling through like Supulvida and will Shure.

450
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck are you?

451
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's like you're fifteen.

452
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: What he's like? It was? It was great. I was

453
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: on a ride out. I'm like, oh my lord, Okay,

454
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: maybe that's even too far for me.

455
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Speaker 6: But here's the thing though, It's interesting, and I wanted

456
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 6: to ask this actually, like have you seen your children?

457
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 6: Both of you guys sort of emulate you and at

458
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 6: the same time do some things that.

459
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: They don't want to be you know what I mean.

460
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 6: They're looking at mom and dad and being like, you

461
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 6: know what. I love you guys, but I don't want

462
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 6: to do it that way.

463
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 5: Oh my god, where do we begin? I mean, yes, I.

464
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Speaker 1: Mean, obviously they grew up in a special situation, Craig.

465
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Speaker 6: You know you're a little bit a little bit different,

466
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 6: but you know, sure there's moments where they're like, damn,

467
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 6: like you guys, got to chill.

468
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: I do not want to be like that as a parent.

469
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

470
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I think as especially

471
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 5: you know, our daughters are twenty five and twenty three.

472
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 5: They are young adult women, but they definitely went through

473
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 5: a period in their teen years where it was the

474
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 5: push away, you know, we want to you know, I

475
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 5: mean they're still doing that as and you guys know,

476
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 5: this is the children of parents who are known. You know,

477
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 5: you're trying to distinguish yourself. I mean, it is very

478
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: important for my kids to feel like they've earned what

479
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 5: they are getting in the world. And they don't want

480
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 5: people to assume that they don't work hard, that they're

481
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 5: just naturally just handed things. They're very sensitive to that.

482
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 5: They want to be their own people. You know Malia

483
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 5: who started in film, I mean her first project, she

484
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 5: took off her lab name and we were like, they're

485
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 5: still going to know it's you, Malita, you know, but

486
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 5: we respected the fact that, you know, she's trying to

487
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 5: make her way. But now as they're older, I think

488
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 5: they they are embracing our parenting principles. They you know,

489
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 5: they they they have a clear understanding of why we

490
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 5: did a lot of what we did. They understand us

491
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 5: as full human beings. Now in the same way that.

492
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 5: I think I discovered that about my parents. You know

493
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 5: when I went away to college.

494
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 4: You know, the.

495
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 5: Issues that I had that I thought they should work on.

496
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 5: My father should have been more aggressive in dealing with

497
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 5: his MS, and he should have done this, and he

498
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 5: should have done that. You know, I was that know

499
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 5: it all kid in high school. But by the time

500
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 5: I got to college and saw more of life, I realize,

501
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 5: you know, parents, our parents are flawed. There are heroes,

502
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 5: we love them, but you start seeing them as humans

503
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 5: and start appreciating them. I think our kids are moving

504
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 5: into that. But they definitely our daughters wanted They didn't

505
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 5: want to be little princesses in the White House. They

506
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 5: wanted to push the envelope. They needed some rope. They

507
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: wanted to try some things. They wanted to be out

508
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 5: in the world. And I knew that under the circumstances

509
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 5: they needed to have more rope.

510
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 4: Then I probably would have given them if I were

511
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: my mother, right.

512
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 7: And conversely, Oliver my kids when they my two older kids,

513
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 7: when they were teenagers, Mesi and Barakra in the White House,

514
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 7: and I was coaching at Oregon State, which is in Corvallis, Oregon,

515
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 7: which is a town of like twenty thousand. Because I

516
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 7: was the coach there, I was probably more strict because.

517
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: Oh, you were strict. Craig was crazy strict.

518
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 7: Well, but it was you know, I'm not only raising

519
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 7: my two kids, but I'm raising fifteen other people's kids too.

520
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 7: So you know, if if my kid was out, if

521
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 7: my kids were out doing something crazy, then I not

522
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 7: only do I have to adjudicate that, then I have

523
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 7: to I have to also answer to the fifteen kids

524
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 7: who I'm coaching, who I don't who I was strict

525
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 7: on too, write So it was a little bit different

526
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 7: from me and and and like I said earlier, you

527
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 7: guys when they were in the White House, I was

528
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 7: always very careful of the image that we portrayed because

529
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 7: I didn't want to be that brother or brother in

530
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 7: law who was in the paper for doing something stupid

531
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 7: all the time.

532
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 9: Right.

533
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 7: So so I was definitely a stricter parent. But I

534
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 7: will tell you my dad always said, you know, if

535
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 7: you just parent, if you parent when your kids are young,

536
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 7: you can be friends with them later when they're thirty

537
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 7: years old.

538
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: And it's so true.

539
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 7: And he said, if you try and be friends with

540
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 7: them when they're if I'm try and be friends with

541
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 7: you young, then I got to parent you for a

542
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 7: longer period of time. And it is really true, Kate,

543
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 7: because our two older kids, it's like now we still

544
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 7: they still come to us for advice, but it's more like,

545
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 7: I won't say colleagues, but it doesn't feel like parents.

546
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 7: They because they're they're they're thirty three and twenty nine,

547
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 7: and they're often on their own doing their own thing,

548
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 7: and it's so nice to sort of not have to

549
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 7: worry about them, you know.

550
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: Isn't that such an amazing thing when your kids grow

551
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: up and you're like, wait, I think I did a

552
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: good job. You know, yeah, wait a minute, they're doing

553
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: really wonderful and yes, And my biggest thing, because Rider

554
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 2: is now twenty one, and my biggest thing when I

555
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: see him be able to be his own, his own

556
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: advocate and and able to resolve conflict for himself in

557
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: any other situation, whether it be with his girlfriend, whether

558
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: it be with a friendship, whether it be with a professor,

559
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, he I gave him. You know, there's

560
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: nature obviously, you know, which is I think huge, But

561
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: but but you do I do feel like a little

562
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: bit like I gave him some tools to be able

563
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: to handle himself, and and and and and he's happy

564
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: and like that. I don't know, it's it's a wonderful

565
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: thing to see because you know, I feel like when

566
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: they get older, it's that hard moment of like is

567
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: there life? Like how are they going to take on

568
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: their life as an adult?

569
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 6: And right, well, that's why I think that I think

570
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 6: that we have lost so much grit in our world.

571
00:30:59,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 8: You know.

572
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 6: I just I read a book on Lewis and Clark

573
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 6: and Gaunted courage and just these these these men, these

574
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 6: people who went and did these things. I mean, it

575
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 6: was incredible what they had to get go through. Our

576
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 6: kids don't have that anymore. Everything is sort of given

577
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 6: to them. Were this coddling of America or coddling of

578
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 6: the world, you know, so and it's hard to give

579
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 6: them that now you kind of have to just let

580
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 6: them go and say, okay, you got to go figure

581
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 6: it out. Yes, we have tracking devices on our kids,

582
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 6: which is sort of like I'm kind of go in

583
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 6: between that because I'm like, is this fucking cool? And

584
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 6: then we're like tracking our children? We had we had

585
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 6: none of that. It was like just go figure it out,

586
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 6: and we had to just figure it out. Now everything

587
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 6: is sort of right at your fingertips, you know, it's well,

588
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 6: I Oliver.

589
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: I agree.

590
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that that's and I think having

591
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 5: these conversations are important because I think parents are confused

592
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 5: and and afraid because we have so much information, and

593
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: I think that that does us in in terms of

594
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 5: feeling comfortable letting our kids experience the world, because we

595
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 5: hear all the bad things about the world, and then

596
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 5: we think the world is really a bad place, and

597
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: so we have to shield our kids and protect them,

598
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: and we have to advocate for them. And it comes

599
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: from a good place. It comes from a place of

600
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: real love and concern. But I'm a proponent of you know,

601
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 5: when we rob our kids of the ability to try

602
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 5: and experience and make some mistakes, we rob them of

603
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 5: the ability to build confidence and the grit that you

604
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: talk about. And we do it out of love, but

605
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 5: we do it for our own sake sometimes as parents,

606
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 5: because we don't want to feel the pain of seeing.

607
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: Them go through hard things because it's hard on.

608
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 6: Us and love. But then there's that there's a fine

609
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 6: line between sort of love and fear, and we crossed

610
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 6: into that fear. Oh, I'm just scared something's gonna happen

611
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 6: to you. Do not go out or do this because

612
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 6: I'm afraid. I'm afraid when the reality is, you know,

613
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 6: look should happen. Yeah, lie, sometimes we can't control it.

614
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 6: But statistically, we live in a safer world than we

615
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 6: did thirty years ago.

616
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 5: And no one wants to believe that statistic, you know.

617
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: I mean, my husband talks about that all the time.

618
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 5: I mean, if you know, he makes the point that

619
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 5: if you wanted to pick any time in human history

620
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 5: to be born, you'd pick now, you know, the amount

621
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 5: of war out there, famine, hunger, medicine, you know. I mean,

622
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: you just go down the list of all the things.

623
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 5: The crime rates are lower than they have been, but

624
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 5: because we hear more about everything, no one wants to

625
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: believe it, you know. I mean people have the watch apps,

626
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 5: so you know, on your phone you get a ding

627
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: every time somebody reports a crime, right, you know, that's

628
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 5: just too much information. So people think that are in

629
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 5: very certain neighborhoods because they have crime Watch, that their

630
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 5: communities aren't safe, and they want to keep their kids

631
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 5: in the backyard and have organized play dates and make

632
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 5: everything sanitized. But you know what, kids aren't They aren't

633
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 5: even getting into arguments with each other. Kids aren't even

634
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 5: you know, they're not allowed to just play in the

635
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 5: streets and have their own arguments. That's why when Craig

636
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 5: says that, you know, we grew up strict, I mean no,

637
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 5: we you know, we went outside in the morning, especially

638
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 5: in the summer.

639
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: You went your parents didn't know.

640
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 5: They knew you were across the street or around the block,

641
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 5: but you weren't in front of the house.

642
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 4: You were off with other kids playing and having adventures.

643
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: And we both did that.

644
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, you had to check in, you know, because

645
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 5: we had parents who were at home. But the truth

646
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: was is that what how we structured our day as

647
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 5: early as ten years old was totally on us and

648
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 5: all the other kids in the neighborhood. We had to

649
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 5: organize ourselves. We had to resolve battles we had, We

650
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 5: had fights, we had to you know, we had to

651
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 5: break things up. The whole goal was don't get the

652
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 5: parents involved, you know, because that meant the fun got

653
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 5: shut down and everybody would have to go home and

654
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 5: now you were just stuck in the house. Our mom

655
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: was home, but at a point she went to work,

656
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 5: and you we'd be at home by ourselves very early on,

657
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 5: you know, and there there was a stove, cigarettes, matches

658
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: there were you know, I mean, yeah, you know, it's

659
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 5: all gonna be there, but kids. We have to give

660
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 5: our kids the chance to work through and problem solve

661
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 5: on their own, which but that means that sometimes they're

662
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 5: gonna make a mistake. Sometimes they're they're gonna light the match,

663
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Speaker 5: and sometimes it's better to let them light the match

664
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Speaker 5: and then have the conversation or have them see what

665
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 5: happens when the match is lit, because they're going to

666
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 5: learn more from that. Craig and I grew up like that. Yeah,

667
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: there were there were some expectations because Craig was.

668
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: Older and you know, he was a boy.

669
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Speaker 5: But we are of the generation where our parents required

670
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 5: us to own our lives earlier than we are doing

671
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 5: for our kids. And I think that made me a

672
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 5: more competent, confident, capable young woman. You know, I was

673
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 5: on the bus going to the I chose a high

674
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 5: school that was on the other side of the city

675
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: because it was a magnet high school. Public school is

676
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 5: one of the best schools in the country. I knew

677
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 5: I wanted to go to college. I didn't want to

678
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 5: go to the neighborhood school. And in order for me

679
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 5: to go to the school, I had to take two

680
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 5: city buses. I had to leave the house at five

681
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 5: point thirty in the morning. I was commuting with adults.

682
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 5: But it was like a wonderful experience. And if my

683
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 5: parents had been today's parents, which would have well, i'll

684
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: drive you, or you won't go, and you'll.

685
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: Go to the school. That's safer for me.

686
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 5: There's a whole lot of learning and confidence building that

687
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: I got. Taken Chicago public transportation every day to get

688
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 5: to school. I would wake up at dark and get

689
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 5: home at dark because that's how long it took to

690
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 5: get to and from school. I think about whether or

691
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: not I would let my kid do that now. I mean,

692
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: today's parents would be worried about that. Right we're carpooling

693
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 5: and picking up and so now parents are tired and

694
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 5: exhausted because they're doing a lot of extra parenting, extra

695
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 5: physical work because we're afraid to let our kids do

696
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 5: some of the stuff on their own, especially if they

697
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 5: live in a big city. And we need to talk

698
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 5: about what our kids are missing by us parenting from

699
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 5: our own feel Yeah, and.

700
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 7: You know I talk about how in my opinion, hence

701
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 7: the name of the show, I feel like parents are

702
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 7: trying to curate this unbelievable experience for their kids. Like

703
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 7: we didn't have our lives curated for us, and I'm

704
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 7: sure you didn't when you were growing up. You just

705
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 7: like just thrown out there and you figure it out.

706
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 7: And I think these days parents are trying to overcompensate

707
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 7: for their kids by sort of making this experience for

708
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 7: them be the be the best and only experience possible.

709
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Speaker 1: That's a great point, Such a great point.

710
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm dealing with my kid and getting into

711
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 6: college now, and I can't even believe what has to

712
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 6: happen with hiring this person and bringing on this person.

713
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, just write an essay and do the applications.

714
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Why is this so nutty?

715
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 6: Mean, I understand that you have to have extracurriculars and

716
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 6: you have to I'm like, just what is all this?

717
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 6: It's highly competitive, I get it, but you know, it

718
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 6: just seems like a lot.

719
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: It's wild before we could we have limited times. I

720
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: have a couple I have a couple of questions like

721
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 2: in cons likely. Did you guys ever fight?

722
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And when you.

723
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: Did, did your parents leave it up to you guys

724
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: to resolve or did they.

725
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 7: Get always won the fight. She was the youngest, she

726
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 7: always won, and I let her win and we all

727
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 7: let her win. And then that's how she got to

728
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 7: be so bossy.

729
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: She will she's still bossy with you.

730
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. That's why I am

731
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 7: always the perfect name for our podcast, because it's in

732
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 7: her opinion.

733
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: She will tell you.

734
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 7: She we would we would get into an argument and

735
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 7: she would throw things at me.

736
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Speaker 3: She would punch me in the back for no reason.

737
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Speaker 3: She would.

738
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Speaker 7: And I never fought back, and I rarely raised my voice,

739
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 7: and I never told on her.

740
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: And you were both very athletic, Yeah.

741
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 6: She was.

742
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 7: She was with me all the I mean, the reason

743
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 7: why I was a good athlete was because I had

744
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 7: her to practice with. And and when my dad would

745
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 7: come home from work, and and and and me talked

746
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 7: a little bit about him working for the city, so

747
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 7: he was a shift worker, so there were only like

748
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 7: certain parts of the month where he worked days where

749
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 7: he could come home and play with us, and she

750
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 7: would be right out there with us. And and could

751
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 7: do anything I could do. She could do everything I

752
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 7: could do. And but but we didn't fight that much.

753
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 7: We we got into fights, but we didn't fight that much.

754
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 7: And and what we what we fight about now as

755
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 7: adults is is like my lack of communication.

756
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: Right, Like I'm a guy.

757
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 7: She'll ask me, Hey, how's how are the kids doing?

758
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 7: I'm like, fine, they're doing fine.

759
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: What are they doing? They have a game tonight, that's it.

760
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: And I don't.

761
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 7: I don't elaborate unless she asks open ended questions. Yeah,

762
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 7: so I she she that that frustrates her. That frustrates

763
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 7: my wife, That frustrates all It frustrates my daughter.

764
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: All the women in my family are frustrated by that.

765
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: But that's it.

766
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 7: That's really the only thing that that we we fight.

767
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: I mean, but our parents did believe in staying out

768
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 4: of it.

769
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Speaker 5: I don't know about you, you you guys Oliver and Kate,

770
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 5: but you know, they they they expected.

771
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: That's just like with life, you resolve it, figure it out.

772
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

773
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't want to hear it. If we ever,

774
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: if there was any ever thing going on and someone

775
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: was telling on if anyone told on anyone, we were

776
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: all in trouble.

777
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 5: That's that's how I do it. That's how Malia and

778
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 5: Sasha will tell you the same thing. You know, there

779
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 5: are many times we heard them in their rooms in

780
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 5: the White House because their rooms faced each other, and

781
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 5: then there was an outer door and you'd hear the

782
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 5: outer door slam, and then you'd hear a lot of

783
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 5: angry whispering.

784
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: I said, if you don't and Mom, if she.

785
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 5: Hears this, and I would say, I would just think, exactly,

786
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 5: that's exactly this.

787
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 2: White House. Oh you guys, we have to wrap. Thank

788
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: you for coming on our podcast. I can't wait to

789
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: your podcast.

790
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 7: All right.

791
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 4: That's that. That's next up. That's like we have more.

792
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: We have we have much more of the pack.

793
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: We can just we can just continue the conversation.

794
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: And where are you in the same place where you are?

795
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: Are you different?

796
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 7: Now?

797
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 4: I'm in d C.

798
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: And I live in Wisconsin. If you can believe that,

799
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: Oh you're.

800
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: I just played a woman from Wisconsin. I just did

801
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: a full Wisconsin accent. I feel like I killed it.

802
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: But you'll be the judge of that.

803
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: I can't wait. Is it out yet?

804
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: No Christmas Day?

805
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: Okay?

806
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Chris, He'll wait for Christmas.

807
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: And Oliver next time, I want to see you in

808
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: a T shirt.

809
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: That's normally what I wear. I mean, I honestly like

810
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: I look like a slab.

811
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 5: But did your hair slick back? Usually like that? I

812
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 5: mean Pagel in it too. You're very cute and I'm

813
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 5: very I'm very honored that you put on your silk to.

814
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 6: Eye and you Well, if we see each other again,

815
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 6: you're going to see me in my my just real garb,

816
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 6: which is pretty much just a T shirt.

817
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: Which is getting worse as he gets older. It's embarrassing.

818
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm changing my style.

819
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: Is this just it's like Italian. He's leaning into our

820
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: Italian heritage. It's it's very extreme. It's a lot of

821
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: gold chains.

822
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 7: Oh, track suit, you got to get the.

823
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: Like SERGIOI track suits stuff.

824
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, thank you guys in the bar for us,

825
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 5: thanks for letting us bite off of your show.

826
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, Well you know.

827
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: You're so nice to you and to get to know you, Michelle,

828
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: You're so inspiring and we just we just love you, Michelle.

829
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: And and also I have a Robinson in my family,

830
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: so you know your latest name?

831
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: Have you Greg?

832
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 6: By the way, have you play ball? With Sandler. Sandler

833
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 6: is a great friend of ours. And I know he

834
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 6: just played with Barrock. You just played ball with him, Brock.

835
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: They golf, but.

836
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: You know, he just golf.

837
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 4: He just go yeah, because Black is.

838
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 5: Retired, he's you know, he doesn't want to pop his achilles.

839
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: Well listen, I guys loved every second of this. Thanks

840
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: for jing here.

841
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 5: We'll see you soon, you guys, thank you so much.

842
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 5: Set it up please again.

843
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 6: I've never been ready, more ready in my life. And

844
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see you guys, to see what

845
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 6: I'm gonna wear.

846
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 10: So yeah, it's gonna be good. All right, Well later guys,

847
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 10: but oh jeez, she's the best. They're they're awesome.

848
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: That was not long enough.

849
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: I know we needed like another hour. I have so

850
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: many questions, I have so many things, but.

851
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 6: It's nice to have just a candid, fun conversation that's

852
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 6: flowy and you know what I mean. It's it's I

853
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 6: don't think we have enough time to sort of hit

854
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 6: all the things that we want to talk about because

855
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 6: there is so much. You know, they want to get

856
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 6: into politics at all, you know what I mean, like boring,

857
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 6: but I did want to talk about the hypocrisy in

858
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 6: politics a little bit, but.

859
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: They're just cool.

860
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: I know.

861
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: It's so nice. It was so nice to actually like

862
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: It's also like one of the things that I do

863
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: love about this podcast. I love that there she's doing

864
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: it with her with Craig, with her sibling, and but

865
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: it's like you actually get to talk about it. It's

866
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: about the things that actually formed you, that are the

867
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: foundation of who you become. I mean, so many people

868
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: know so much about about Michelle and President Obama, and

869
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: you know, she's written her memoir, she's written a memoir,

870
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 2: she written books. There's so much about her that people

871
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: do know. But when you get her and her brother

872
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: together and you start talking about how they grew up

873
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: together or what that experience like together, it's just a

874
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: completely different feeling. It doesn't it doesn't, it doesn't matter

875
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: what the politics are.

876
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 11: I know, you know, and and I am trying to

877
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 11: get I just wanted to get into, you know, the

878
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 11: decision making behind in her opinion, Like, my god, my

879
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 11: life is about to change.

880
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 6: I know, it's exciting, but here we're here. Now she's

881
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: such a cool, grounded, you know, worldly personable human. It's like,

882
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 6: now I got to live in this white house. Now

883
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 6: I got to raise our girls like this. Holy fuck,

884
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 6: there's stress that.

885
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: Might have been involved with all that. I wanted to

886
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: sort of get into that stuff.

887
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she but she fell in love with a politician,

888
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: a career politician.

889
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.

890
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: So I mean you'd kind of know, you know, going

891
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: into that, what that is. And I think what I

892
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 2: what I love about both of them, and we've had

893
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: I've had the opportunity of meeting them a couple of times,

894
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 2: but I I they are very grounded people. Their kids

895
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: are great and you you it's like it's like when

896
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: you it's like removing the politics from the person is

897
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: very hard when people are in politics because they're in

898
00:47:53,680 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 2: the position of making decisions for your wellbeing, the country

899
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: as well being, you know, and so it can be

900
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: you know, you you you kind of are entering this

901
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: very polarizing existence. You're going to be loved and you're

902
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: going to be hated, right and your kids know it,

903
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: and your wife is going to know it, or vice

904
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: versa your husband if you choose to be in politics.

905
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: So like when you meet certain politicians that are just

906
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: very grounded and like cool and have a very really

907
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: interesting are very open with you know, where they come from,

908
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 2: what their life is like, what their life experience has been.

909
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: You you know, you can't help, but be like that

910
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: is a huge part of trusting who you have, like

911
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: kind of really running things. Michelle. Also, I really believe

912
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: that no matter what anybody thinks about husband and wife,

913
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: it's like any husband and wife in the world. When

914
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: you clump couples together as if they're one, it's like

915
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: everyone in the world, Like, just put yourself in that position,

916
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: like am I my partner? Am I my husband?

917
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 7: No?

918
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: I'm very different, very different people. And just because you're

919
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: with someone and love someone, doesn't mean you have differences

920
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: of opinion, doesn't mean that you agree with everything, doesn't

921
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: mean that you would lead in the same way. It

922
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: does mean that you have like a mutual found respect

923
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: and love and attraction and all these things that are good.

924
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: But it's like there's this weird thing that happens in

925
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: politics where it's like you are one, when in fact

926
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: it's we know behind the scenes that it's very opposite.

927
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: And Michelle would probably be a very different leader than

928
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: even President you know, Obama would be. And I always wonder,

929
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: like I really do think she would be an incredible politician. Yeah,

930
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: but I don't think I'm not. I don't think she

931
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: ever that would be ever anything that she would do.

932
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: I don't know.

933
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 6: The real headline of the interview was that twice she

934
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 6: talked about how good looking I was.

935
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: That's true, you know what I mean.

936
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: I knew you were going to say that.

937
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just I think I think there was

938
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 6: a moment where she was just stunned about you know,

939
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 6: it's like, oh my god, this guy is handsome. You

940
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, because I think I resemble Brock

941
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 6: like a little bit, right.

942
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: I think it was more like you've never worn a

943
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: suit ever, And she was probably just kind of giving

944
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: you some validation as to like you really should.

945
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: Clean up those charity. It was a charity.

946
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: It was more like it was more like you should

947
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: maybe lean into this more because it's nice.

948
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was awesome.

949
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: I hope we get to talk to them again.

950
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: Me too, Yeah, me too.

951
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: Well I invited I invited us on their podcast, so

952
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: maybe I.

953
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: Know, maybe maybe we'll get lucky.

954
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I got a show to go.

955
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: Do you have a great set? A great set?

956
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: Thanks? Thanks, what a great episode. I hope everybody loves it.

957
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: I know we do, know we made any headlines, but

958
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: it's okay. I already love you, Love you by