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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a murder suspect now claiming

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Speaker 1: he he has PTSD post traumatic stress syndrome. After he

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Speaker 1: already ice cold with blue lips. This revealed and a

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Speaker 1: Maddie's mother, Jin Soto, for her daughter's sex abuse and murder.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: I think to do just a mess with the Honestly,

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Speaker 2: this places silty and untanned carrying one little sins pastiable link.

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Speaker 2: It surrounded like crazy es at a time.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's not the Rists, not the Rits. You're charged

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Speaker 1: with murder, Stephan Stearns, the murder of a fourteen year

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Speaker 1: old little girl. Hello, I know you're watching the jailhouse

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Speaker 1: TV on your phone. According to police, thousands of images

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Speaker 1: of fourteen year old Maddie's Soto were found naked, being

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Speaker 1: jail a one star review on yelp. What are you thinking?

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Speaker 1: The stories are changing? And all I can say is,

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Speaker 1: thank you Heaven for technology, or I would never be

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Speaker 1: able to hear what Stephan Stearns is claiming, for instance,

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Speaker 1: that his girlfriend Jen Soto, she's the one to blame

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Speaker 1: for little Maddie's rape and sex abuse and so much more.

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Speaker 1: And he's now saying, wait for it, that he found

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Speaker 1: Maddie's body ice cold, her lips blue.

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Speaker 3: Listen, just see.

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Speaker 4: Her pale face and through lips, and how I was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember seeing my brother when he had passed away,

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Speaker 4: So there, you know, it's just you can tell, yes,

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Speaker 4: When we're gone, really really truly gone. It's just there's

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Speaker 1: Well, you could get the death penalty, you could do that.

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Speaker 1: But whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Okay with me an

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Speaker 1: all star pound, it makes sense of what I'm mean.

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Speaker 1: And I've got a ton of these deal house calls.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can even get through them,

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Speaker 1: because each one is a bombshell. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be hard. But Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, I'll give

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Speaker 1: him the whole intro in a moment, but just one word.

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Speaker 1: What was this girl's cod cause of death? One word?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, with strangulation Nancy up close and personal with his

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Speaker 1: Shannon Butler joining me, investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine, in

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Speaker 1: this jurisdiction in Florida, Shannon, there's so much in these

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Speaker 1: jailhouse calls and I cannot wait for them to be

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Speaker 1: a one story view on Yelp for their food and

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Speaker 1: Mattress whining about the lights, it goes on and on,

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Speaker 1: blaming Jen Soto, Mattie's mother, for her sex abuse and murder.

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Speaker 1: But now and I find more probative, Shannon, he's giving

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Speaker 1: more stories about how Maddie was killed. And the reason

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Speaker 1: because you hear him on the jailhouse call stating that

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Speaker 1: they compare the mom and dad compare Mattie's murder to

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Speaker 1: Mattie was strangled dead, likely after being raped. What is

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Speaker 6: Well, and according to him, he knew that right, because

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Speaker 6: Oh, horrifying images of abusing Madeline Soto since she was eight, nine,

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Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing to me, and I'm gonna play

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Speaker 1: in just a moment how his mom totally enabling him,

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Speaker 1: saying this was forced on you. You were set up and

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Speaker 1: actually telling him, yeah, you have PTSD because you found

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Speaker 1: her body. Okay to Phillip Dbay joining me up, Philip,

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Speaker 1: we're not in court. Okay, you don't have to impress

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Speaker 1: a high pain client. So don't throw any Latin phrases

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Speaker 1: a whole cloth. What kind of a sick freak not

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Speaker 1: only repeatedly rapes a child and over but films it one.

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Speaker 7: Who engages in what I call virtual porn. That would

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Speaker 8: It is a live person.

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Speaker 7: You're looking at me like I'm nuts, but that is

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Speaker 8: How are they going to lay a foundation?

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Speaker 1: need it right now. Okay, First Amendment, right to free speech.

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Speaker 1: May in California, but I guarantee you it's not going

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Speaker 1: Why did I open Pandora's books and ask him a question.

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Speaker 9: Never mind a race erase, Let's go back to the

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to more of Stephan Stearn's jail house calls. Now.

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Speaker 1: In this one, he is blaming Jen Soto, Mattie's mom,

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Speaker 1: And yes, there's a lot to be said about her,

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Speaker 1: But but just listen, you know, Stepan, I can't help

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Speaker 4: Ford an electric conspect you better not leave me for

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Speaker 1: Like murder is okay? Wait that just I can hardly

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Speaker 1: piece this apart. Shannon Butler helped me. I got to

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Speaker 1: bring in a shrink also to explain what, it's an

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's Jim's fault and I'm certainly not defending

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Speaker 1: I'm beside myself. Oh guys, if you want to find

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Speaker 1: Tom Smith, he is co host of the gold Shield

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Speaker 1: Show at goldshieldshow dot com. Why I've got a dead

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl body dumped. Video has emerged of

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Speaker 1: what we believe is Stephan Stern's dumping her limp body

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Speaker 1: Another bombshell tonight is that dcomp enzymes from dcomp are

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Speaker 1: found on the front seat of the car where he

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Speaker 1: Stephan Stearns had Maddie buckled in like they're riding to school.

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Speaker 1: She decomped onto the front seat. Yeah, explain that, sterns

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Speaker 1: how are you gonna blame Jens Soto for that? And listen,

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Speaker 1: Tom Smith, I'm not defending Jen Soto. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: the murder and Stephan Stern's blaming her. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: Philip D. Bay A veteran trial lawyer out of LA County.

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Speaker 1: Don't you just love when you find out what your

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Speaker 8: Otherwise you know what happens.

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Speaker 7: I get a terabiede of data on an external hard

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Speaker 1: Hey, Anna Sonoda, question to you, Anna Sinoda, child's six

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Speaker 1: Duck Groom. Can we just get real for a moment

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Speaker 12: Horrific case, Nancy, and it has been since we started

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Speaker 14: This case, and she is giving as much information to

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Speaker 2: Well, I discovered her.

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Speaker 7: The only arguments that he and Avail himself to is

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Speaker 8: So what do you do. The first thing that comes

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Speaker 7: And what do you do in panic mode? You don't

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Speaker 1: Okay, so hold on, are you actually going along with

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Speaker 7: Not in the least. But if I had to defend him,

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Speaker 8: And who would be the easy dupe in this case,

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Speaker 1: Okay, you would actually say that to a jury, even

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Speaker 7: There is no room for political correctness in a criminal trial.

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Speaker 7: If you're going to worry about what the public, what

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Speaker 7: I could see an appellated attorney all over it on appeal,

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Speaker 1: Guys, we're talking about Stepan Stearn's secret jailhouse calls just

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Speaker 1: revealed now here. He seems to blame Maddie's murder on

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Speaker 4: Listen, you know always had an issue with boundaries. She

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Speaker 1: When you hear me, and hold on, Joe Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: help me. Joe Scott Morgan is joining me. Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. It goes on and on. Joe Scott, do

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Speaker 1: you hear this. I don't know how many child murder

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Speaker 1: Maddie's Soto's murder, says, I beg the mom make her

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Speaker 5: It's beyond bizarre. When you begin to think about this

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Speaker 5: because if in fact, we are to believe and I

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Speaker 5: would have become cyonautic as hands perhaps his, were wrapped

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace Scott. Whenever anyone says highoid bone,

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Speaker 1: I feel it's important that we show where the hyoid

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the only non articulating bone in the body.

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Speaker 5: That means it doesn't connect to any other bony structures.

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Speaker 5: It's sole purpose, Nancy, is to anchor the tongue in

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Speaker 5: all right, but it's kind of in a horseshoe shape

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Speaker 5: And when it's snapped, you can see these little fracture

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Speaker 1: So, guys, not with what Joe Scott said all correct

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Speaker 1: then he blames the whole thing because Jim Sooto didn't

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Speaker 4: He didn't have any privacy, you know, just for ourselves.

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Speaker 4: And she was suggs, Well, maybe you should go to

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Speaker 4: You should have broken up for a long time ago

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I think they do just a mess with

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not the risk.

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Speaker 4: We're all very happy to you reunited anything lunch since

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Speaker 4: And there's no reason that I want to have taken

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Speaker 10: And this, no there is.

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Speaker 4: But there's jealousy on the other side too. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he told you, I hope you don't need You've.

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Speaker 2: Heard my daughter that tells me that she was thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Guys, we are getting a treasure trove of evidence. Just release.

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Speaker 1: These are secretly recorded jailhouse calls. Now, I don't know

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Speaker 1: Joining me now, special guest, Barry Hutchinson, twenty six year

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Barry. Here, we hear

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Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on. We hear Stefan

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Speaker 1: Stearns and mother Deborah Stearns stating Jen Soto had been

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Speaker 1: thinking about this for a long time. They're basically trying

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Speaker 3: I think that this whole family is so screwed up?

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you.

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Speaker 1: Barry Hutchinson, I don't care. I don't care who has

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Speaker 1: a history of what we're at the innoceus guilt phase.

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Speaker 1: This is going to a trial. I don't care who

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Speaker 1: I care who killed this little girl, who ra her

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's going to try to point the accusatory

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Speaker 3: finger toward her, you know, to a certain degrade, to

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Speaker 3: take some of the heat off him. But you know what,

435
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Speaker 3: when you've got a dead body on video leaning to

436
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Speaker 3: the left and of vehicle that's been seen, and then

437
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 3: you have a cadaver or dog get a hit on

438
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Speaker 3: trace chemical for a decomposition, I think there's a couple

439
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Speaker 3: of males in your coffin their palth.

440
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, debate. You actually have a little bit

441
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Speaker 1: of a leg to stand on in that there's a

442
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Speaker 1: way for this guy to escape the death penalty. I'll

443
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Speaker 1: tell you what I think it is. The jury will

444
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: be angry at Jenston, and they may partially blame her

445
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Speaker 1: for ignoring the fact right under her and no just

446
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: rubbing her nose in it that Stephan Stearns, her live

447
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: in boyfriend Mooch, does he even have a job, was

448
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: sleeping with her daughter every night. The little girl says

449
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: she wanted to go live in the woods. Wonder why

450
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: so the jury, right or wrong, may partially blame Jinsoto

451
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: for the situation and reason, well, she's not getting convicted,

452
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Speaker 1: I sure as hgl and not sending him to the

453
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Speaker 1: death penalty.

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Speaker 7: I agree with you one hundred percent on that they're

455
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Speaker 7: not even assuming that they think mom had a hand

456
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Speaker 7: in it by looking the other way with you know,

457
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 7: blissful ignorance and blind fate, whatever.

458
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Speaker 8: You want to call it. He is the one on trial,

459
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 8: not her.

460
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 7: His only other hope to be spirit of death is

461
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Speaker 7: the new law in Florida where they allow for an

462
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Speaker 7: eight to four verdict in the penalty phase to execute

463
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Speaker 7: if they come back let's say eight to four or

464
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Speaker 7: nine to three or some other non unanimous split that

465
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Speaker 7: could spare him death.

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Speaker 1: Guys, there's more of Stefan Stearn's whining, and I haven't

467
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: even gotten him whining about his mattress and the food.

468
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: So far, he's been blaming gen Soto for Maddie's death,

469
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: and we're all angry. The gen Soto allowed a situation

470
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Speaker 1: where her daughter slept night after night after night with

471
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Speaker 1: her mooch living boyfriend, but to blame her for the

472
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Speaker 1: murder itself is a whole another thing, And that sounds

473
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Speaker 1: like what he and his mommy and daddy are cooking up.

474
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: Remember the mommy and the daddy not charged with anything.

475
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: Oh and I haven't even got to them claiming that

476
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Speaker 1: he has PTSD because he found the body. I mean, really,

477
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: but that said, listen to this.

478
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Speaker 4: I wish I had done the correct thing to begin with.

479
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 4: You know, I wish on downstairs and shaking her away

480
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Speaker 4: from a cold nine one all day. Had I wish

481
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 4: she had too, maybe she could have been saved. But

482
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure true beyond that.

483
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: Dave Mac joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter who has

484
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: poured through every one of these recordings word by word,

485
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Speaker 1: Dave Mac, can you believe what you're hearing? I wish

486
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Speaker 1: I had found her, end quote, shaken her away and

487
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: call nine to one one? Yeah, why didn't you? They

488
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: are feeding into it. The mommy and the daddy are

489
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Speaker 1: basically feeding your baby boy on a silver spoon, a

490
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Speaker 1: whole plateful of bs.

491
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Speaker 10: Yep, And I think that we're seeing that played out

492
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Speaker 10: where he, for some reason, is trying to snow job

493
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Speaker 10: his parents just and believe that they're believing him. And

494
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Speaker 10: that's when when his mother says, you know, are they

495
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 10: are they treating you for PTSD after what you've found?

496
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Speaker 10: I mean, they're living in a real fantasy world, Nancy.

497
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Speaker 10: This is only something that a child, and I mean

498
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 10: a child talks to their parents like this. But we're

499
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 10: dealing with somebody who supposedly an adult grown up man

500
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Speaker 10: and two adult grown up parents, and they're acting like

501
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 10: with the six year old who got caught cheating in

502
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 10: first grade on his spelling jets.

503
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Speaker 1: Man, you put it better than I could have, Dave Mack, So, Dave,

504
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: listen to this. His new story is evolving, and Debay,

505
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: prick your ears up on this, because this is where

506
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: the defense is going. There's a whole new story about

507
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: how Maddie died in China, you know, on the Wizard

508
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: of Oz when Dorothy catches the wizard working the machines

509
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: and he says, don't look at the man behind the curtain.

510
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: I guess they want the jury not to remember all

511
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: the rape videos of this little girl on stuff on

512
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Speaker 1: Stearn's phone and that hyoid bone being broken or dislodged,

513
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: like Joe Scott Morgan was just describing. Yeah, don't look

514
00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: at that, look at this. Listen to the new theory emerged.

515
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: He was in a different part of the house. Yeah,

516
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: she wasn't with you.

517
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 4: Well, she had going to be with me earlier the night,

518
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 4: but I left her alone for quite a while, so

519
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: I was pretty she talked her around and you know,

520
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: haunting right now, what can I.

521
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: Do crime stories with Nancy Grace?

522
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 10: Were you awake when she went when her came into

523
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 10: the room with you?

524
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 11: Yeah?

525
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: And she was fine when she came into your room?

526
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: What what not at night?

527
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Speaker 4: Was that hitting eleven or show?

528
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure? Okay, so she was fine.

529
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 10: So what happened between eleven.

530
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Speaker 3: And whenever you found it?

531
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Speaker 4: Oh that's the really other.

532
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Question, that is the main question. So Dave Matt is

533
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: he true? Is he actually going to say she came

534
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: into my bedroom because they just don't have boundaries, They

535
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: didn't respect my privacy. And then he goes outside to

536
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: breathe in the night air, right, and he comes back

537
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: and she's dead, and instead of calling nine one one,

538
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: and she's cold. By the way, Joe Scott Morgan's gonna

539
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: have a field day with the fact that she was

540
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: already cold to the touch. He finds her call to

541
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: the touch and then decides instead of calling nine one

542
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: one that he'll just dress her for school's trapper, body

543
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: in the car, drive around, and then dump her body.

544
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Is that right, Dave.

545
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 10: Mac That is what he's shoveling.

546
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Speaker 3: But I found something fascinating in the way he's.

547
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 10: Talking to his parents, because he tries to pull them

548
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 10: back into things they remember from him as a child,

549
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 10: like when he talked about how he had left her

550
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Speaker 10: alone for a while, and he mentions walking around the

551
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 10: house and he called it haunting around the house as

552
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 10: I like to do. He's trying to relate this so

553
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 10: it's something that they can understand and identify with and

554
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 10: believe him because to anybody else, look his story, You're

555
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 10: going this is total dyes. But his parents, he can

556
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 10: milk these moments of past and president and blur them

557
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 10: together so that they're like, hey, yeah, I want to

558
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 10: believe my son. I want to believe he's telling the truth,

559
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 10: and that's where he gives them those bits that make

560
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 10: no sense to us, but that they can hold on to.

561
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Oh, the devil is in the detailed stern, please keep talking.

562
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Listen to this.

563
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: Well, I discovered her in the state she was in

564
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: after everything was having done. So I mean, I obviously

565
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: I can't get into detail, but no, I was not

566
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: aware that she had passed on. And you know, I'm

567
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: looking down throughout the night, and I was not in

568
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: the room the whole time.

569
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Speaker 9: Mm hmm.

570
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: So he wasn't aware she was passed on, yet he

571
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: found her a call to the touch with her lips blue.

572
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: Now the dad realizes the story is not yelling listen,

573
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: and it was just not like you.

574
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: You know, you just suddenly feel someone's goes to pass

575
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 4: away from them. You know, it's to discovery. And he

576
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: wasn't leave in those same room with you. Well, I mean,

577
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 4: she was in the room that I started him. But

578
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 4: you know, I'm looking towns forout the night, and I

579
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: tend to wander around the house, she fiddle around on

580
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: my phone and step out trying to feel the nice

581
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: cool night air and all that.

582
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: There we go with a nice cool night air again.

583
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: Karen stark. Do you hear him? Later on he even

584
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: suggests that someone had drugged Maddie, and he clearly indicates

585
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: that would be her mother. How much more blame can

586
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: he heap on other people? Claiming he was wandering around

587
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: the house and while he was wandering, he came back

588
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: in and found her bed.

589
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 13: Let's be perfectly clear. What's going on here is a

590
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 13: cover up and denial. How does he explain the fact

591
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 13: that he took all those photos, the ones that were

592
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 13: on his phone, and try to erase them to make

593
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 13: sure nobody would find them. Why would he get rid

594
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 13: of her possessions. He's just passing along the blame and

595
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 13: his parents are going along with it, I hypothesized, because

596
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 13: it's their son, so they're trying to make sense.

597
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Out of it.

598
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 13: But all of this trying to shield the fact that

599
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 13: this is a monster, a murderer, that he actually killed

600
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 13: this girl. And he's saying, as an adult that somebody

601
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 13: was forcing him to sleep with her, to be with her,

602
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 13: encouraging it, and he had nothing to do with this

603
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 13: mature man who's become an infant and totally innocent. We

604
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 13: know that that is not true.

605
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: Well, I'm assuming that they are treating you for PTSB

606
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: because you found the body, not to mention everything.

607
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 13: Else that went along with that, treating with.

608
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: Her or anything except my flood pressure.

609
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: Well, they need to do the PTSD because you're not needing.

610
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I keep telling myself that to maintain

611
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: myself chasing questioning God, I have nothing.

612
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: Now listen to this. Does anybody know the meaning of narcissist?

613
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: Here we hear Stephan Stearns asking his parents to dump

614
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: money into an account for a trust fund for him

615
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: for him after they die.

616
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: Shall prospect her. It's going to be difficult to come by.

617
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: I might need some sort of resources to help me

618
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: get back up my sheet immediately until I can work

619
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: out being the coop situation.

620
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what that would be.

621
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: But because maybe we may be we may be gone

622
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: by the time you get out.

623
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: I don't know any way, we might be able to

624
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 4: sit up sort of a trust truck or.

625
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: Something, a trust fund. Dave, Matt, what did I just you.

626
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 10: Know, I just heard more and more bs lies between

627
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 10: Sterns trying to sell a bill of goods to his parents.

628
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 10: But something that I'm caught with, Nancy is how a

629
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 10: couple of times during the course of these thirty five

630
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 10: phone calls, he actually sterns mentions hurting his defense by

631
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 10: saying something or giving too many details. And if we're

632
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 10: truly seeking the truth, and he's truly an innocent man

633
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 10: who did nothing wrong, that type of truth is something

634
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 10: you want everybody to hear. So you would be saying

635
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 10: these details for all the world to hear, because you're

636
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 10: an innocent guy. They got the wrong man. You know,

637
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 10: anything would do, but he keeps covering up. He can't

638
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 10: even tell the truth to his parents because he sold

639
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 10: them a bill of goods that they're buying into Our

640
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 10: baby boy would never do this. It's her fault. The

641
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 10: evil girls in his life, the females in his life,

642
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 10: did wrong, and he's the victim.

643
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember Karen start how he was talking about

644
00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: how Maddie who's thirteen, and her mother ogled him and

645
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: admired him and made a big fuss about him. It's

646
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: their fault, I mean narcissism. He wants his parents, who

647
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: are retired, to set him up a trust fund of

648
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: their money to support him when he gets out and

649
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: after they die. That's what's his that's what's on his mind.

650
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 13: Well, of course, Nancy, there's no guilt there because he

651
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 13: can't feel. But all he's worried about is what's going

652
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 13: to happen in his future. Let them infantilize him and

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Speaker 13: feel like they have to take care of him. It's

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Speaker 13: all so typical. I can't think of a single sexual abuser, really,

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Speaker 13: somebody who rapes children who doesn't wind up saying that

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Speaker 13: the children wanted it, that it's perfectly normal, it's okay

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Speaker 13: to do this, and he fixed the bill.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, Karen Start Barry Hutchinson twenty five years

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Speaker 1: in LA now chief investigator Barry and Associates. Barry he

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Speaker 1: actually said she started it talking about the little girl.

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Speaker 1: Maddie started the little station.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing just sounds so sick, But you know,

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Speaker 3: that's a commonality in these abusers. You know, they, like

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Speaker 3: you said earlier, they always try to circumvent guilt of

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Speaker 3: their self by saying that somebody else is the one

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Speaker 3: that initiated the contact, or they're the ones that initiated

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Speaker 3: the abuse. It's just the way that these pedophiles think,

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Speaker 3: you know, and it makes me sick, literally, I mean,

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Speaker 3: child abuse cases like this. I mean, that was the

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Speaker 3: one thing in all my career and law enforcement that

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Speaker 3: used to bother me the most whenever you had, you know,

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Speaker 3: cases like this where you know there's an innocent victim

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Speaker 3: that's a child, and you feel like you're sitting in

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Speaker 3: a chair with your hands and your arms tied. You

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Speaker 3: can't do anything about it as an investigator looking at

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Speaker 3: this pos sitting across from you at a table, knowing,

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Speaker 3: damn good and well that you feel like just choking

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Speaker 3: him to death right there at that point, but you can't.

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Speaker 3: And yet they have the audacity to sit there and

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Speaker 3: try to put this whole BS story on you to

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Speaker 3: make you feel sorry for them, and we have to

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Speaker 3: kind of play along with it and be a good

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Speaker 3: actor to try to extricate information from them that's going

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Speaker 3: to put them away for the rest of their life

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Speaker 3: where they can't do it to another child.

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, have you seen it all now, Stefan Stearns.

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Speaker 1: Once I trust fund set up my mommy and daddy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. One of the most glaring things is that when

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Speaker 5: his dad actually said, well we might be gone, did

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Speaker 5: you hear that? And then he just continues on with

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Speaker 5: this through line of all about him. He didn't pause

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Speaker 5: for a moment and say, well, my god, that's horrible.

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Speaker 5: Please don't say that that you're going to be gone

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Speaker 5: or the mom's going to be gone now. And that's

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Speaker 5: not what it's about. It's about him, you know, moving forward,

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Speaker 5: and he's going to need money when he gets out,

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Speaker 5: to get back on his feet. And you know, that

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Speaker 5: shows you the level of callousness. And he's doing this

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Speaker 5: to his parents, how much more so, how much more

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Speaker 5: so Nancy a thirteen year old little girl that he's

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Speaker 5: been victimizing, allegedly lo these many years. He's that callous.

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Speaker 5: He's that very callous. He's not genetically connected to her, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: He just views her as something that is disposable. And

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Speaker 5: as we found out, she was kind of tossed away

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Speaker 5: like rubbish, wasn't she?

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Speaker 1: Manny Soto was not disposable. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,