WEBVTT - Easy A with Isa Mazzei

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<v Speaker 1>On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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<v Speaker 1>have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends

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<v Speaker 1>and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in

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<v Speaker 1>best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the beck Del Cast. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Toronte, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast where we look at how women are portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>in movies. Wow. I was trying to think of a

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<v Speaker 1>fun intro for today, and then all three of us

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<v Speaker 1>realized that none of us had actually read The Scarlet Letter,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was impossible to reference it because we

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<v Speaker 1>never read the book, nor had I seen the Demi

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<v Speaker 1>Moore version of it. Nor have I Yeah, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of want to now based on the description that she's

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<v Speaker 1>like naked in the bathtub and doing a fake British accent.

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<v Speaker 1>I do love a bad accent in a movie. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take me out of it at all. He pulls

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<v Speaker 1>me closer, It gets me right where they want me,

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<v Speaker 1>and that pass the Bechdel test it which is if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not familiar. The media metric that we use as

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<v Speaker 1>a jumping off point, also called the Bechdel Wallace test,

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<v Speaker 1>and it requires that two female identifying characters speak to

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<v Speaker 1>each other in the movie that they're in. They should

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<v Speaker 1>have names, and they should not talk about a man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for at least two lines, which most movies, uh don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of them just really don't. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>even try. We've got I'm excited to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>movie today because we've got like a fun mixed bag

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<v Speaker 1>of of a movie. It's two thousand ten written all

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<v Speaker 1>over it. It's really having it both ways this movie. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm really excited. It's been like a long time request.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been getting this request for years, ignoring it for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason. And then our wonderful guest was like, how

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<v Speaker 1>have you not done this movie? We're like, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. This was a hill we chose

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<v Speaker 1>to die on for so long. The Lovely movie. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun, it's fun, the teaches in it, the two

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<v Speaker 1>She's firing on all cylinders. I can't wait to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the tooch. Penn, how do you say his name?

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<v Speaker 1>Penn Badgley? I don't know Bedley, I don't know. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in that very scary show that I watched all of

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<v Speaker 1>even though it makes me feel horrible. Which one he

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<v Speaker 1>plays a stalker? You, Yeah, it's every It's so it's

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that show is like so every like

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<v Speaker 1>over the top problematic stalker trope that I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>feel anything watching it. Like it's just so it's all

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<v Speaker 1>of them at once. It's crazy. Probably won't watch it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>probably don't. Um. We teased our guests, but then we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't actually introduce her, so let's do that now. She

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<v Speaker 1>is a screenwriter, producer. She's the writer of the film

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<v Speaker 1>cam on Netflix. She's the author of the upcoming memoir

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<v Speaker 1>cam Girl, coming out on November twelve. It's mataiea. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Hi guys, welcome, Thank you so much for having me

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<v Speaker 1>where cam Heads. We're so excited you're here and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about easy a Yes, two thousand ten teen comedy

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<v Speaker 1>is then we were short in this. Yeah, Emma Stone's

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<v Speaker 1>first starring vehicle. Remember the World before Emma Stone, I

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<v Speaker 1>barely do. And it's also Amanda Bindes is last. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lane is in it for a second. Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 1>is from Lizzie McGuire. Yeah, Miranda, she shows up for

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<v Speaker 1>one line. Yeah, she doesn't even have a name in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, like her credit is just girl on the

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<v Speaker 1>Street or something. Yeah that I forgot about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's every like I checked Lilane's I am dB. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we'll say once a year. It occurs to me to

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<v Speaker 1>just check in and I always see that credit. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I have what was that? And now I know? Very good.

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<v Speaker 1>She shines Lisa Coudras in this movie. Yes she is,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think a role that we'll get to. But

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<v Speaker 1>it reminded me a lot of the Jessica Williams role

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<v Speaker 1>in books. Aren't oh sure the way that it plays

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<v Speaker 1>out and how much I didn't care for it. But

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda Binds is basically playing the same character that Mandy

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<v Speaker 1>Moore does. Yeah, yeah, which is I love Amanda Binds

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of year, but the Mandy Moore character

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<v Speaker 1>is way better. Sure, I need to rewatch Saved, but

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<v Speaker 1>saved it a long time. That would be an interesting one.

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<v Speaker 1>We've gotten requests, man, We've just we've ever well, the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is we just stop ignoring people. It's not that

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<v Speaker 1>we're annoying people, is that we've gotten requests for probably

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<v Speaker 1>every movie ever made. We've gotten thousands upon thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>requests were so cool and popular. Made a short film

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years ago, and while it doesn't have much of

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<v Speaker 1>a cult following, I think there's a lot to discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, well, we'll get there. This podcast is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go on for five years and we'll get there. Uh, Sosa,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your history relationship with the movie? Easy? Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to say. You know, I don't like remember the

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<v Speaker 1>first time I saw it. Um. I know we had

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<v Speaker 1>it on DVD, and I remember it was a movie

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<v Speaker 1>that like my sister and I watched over and over

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<v Speaker 1>and over and over again. Um, both because we liked it,

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<v Speaker 1>but also because it was like one of the last

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<v Speaker 1>DVDs that we bought that we had, you know that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was right at the kind of the end

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<v Speaker 1>of like buying dv shots. And I just I remembered

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<v Speaker 1>really really relating to Emma Stone in it like a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So that's kind of like been my relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with it. It's been a movie that I've revisited a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, since it came out, Jamie, what about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember seeing this movie in theaters. It came out

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<v Speaker 1>when I was like like my senior year in high school. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I went to see it with all my

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<v Speaker 1>friends and we were, I don't know, like we loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>We were really hyped on Emma Stone, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways like it. It felt like pretty different

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<v Speaker 1>to most of the team comedies that you see. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I really liked it. I've seen it

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<v Speaker 1>maybe four or five times before this, but never was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it as hard as I was this past time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that this is like one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite Stanley Tucci roles, Oh my goodness, and Patricia Clark said,

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<v Speaker 1>is great. That's the mother right, Yeah, she's so good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I and I forgot Ali. This is really the most

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand ten movie of all time. Ali Michalka of

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<v Speaker 1>Ali and the dental break up song. Okay, wait to

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<v Speaker 1>church Church something like that. It's really good. Do they

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<v Speaker 1>just released a song that I heard and I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea with them and it's actually incredible. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what character does she plays? She plays Rhiannon. Oh yeah, yeah, goodness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is the most two thousand time movie of

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<v Speaker 1>all time and uh for that, I have no choice,

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<v Speaker 1>but too, I mean class at two dozen tend gettle

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<v Speaker 1>of it. My goodness, what's your history? I saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>It came out when I was I guess, like probably

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, and I wasn't necessarily like the target demo,

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<v Speaker 1>having aged out of being a teenager brag, But um,

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<v Speaker 1>I liked it. I remember thinking like, the jokes were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty funny, the dialogue was like quippy, and I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I only had seen it that one time,

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<v Speaker 1>and then revisiting it this time, I was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you you tried to do something and then you only

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<v Speaker 1>got part of the way there, and then he made

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of missteps movie. So I'm excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm psycked. Um should I just

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<v Speaker 1>dive into the recap? Yeah? Okay and easy. You can

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<v Speaker 1>inter at the recap whenever you want. It's the best part,

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<v Speaker 1>every word. I have a lot to say. So the

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<v Speaker 1>story is told partly via Army Characters video blog or

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<v Speaker 1>vlog is the kids are calling it these days. I

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<v Speaker 1>love how prototypical it is in this movie, where there

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, you have to go to free alive dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a live stream happening there. It won't be saved

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<v Speaker 1>six pm sharp. It was so it was great. And

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<v Speaker 1>what she's doing in this vlog is recounting the events

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie. So we meet all of Pendergast. That's

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<v Speaker 1>m A. Stone's character. She starts out, your average invisible

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<v Speaker 1>teen girl about to graduate from high school in she's

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<v Speaker 1>not like the other girls. She's not like the girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, and OHI, yes, California. Ever heard of it? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. That's a weird place I've never been. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't feel like my writing partners from OHI, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like very like mine and and all you OHI

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<v Speaker 1>heads dive into my mentions if I'm getting is completely wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a huge class disparity where it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>surfer class and then just insanely wealthy people. Just so

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<v Speaker 1>that there's and there's a lot of camps there. Oh sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like on the edge of like a huge national park,

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<v Speaker 1>I think park. It's a weird, fun place. My writing

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<v Speaker 1>partner's dad is in a surf cult in OHI. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's the guy who's in a surf called the Barbecue Surfers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this from our point breakup star. Oh yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll shut up about the barbecue surfers. We've rehashed this before.

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<v Speaker 1>That was quite all right. So they're in Ohai, California,

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<v Speaker 1>and Olive, yeah, she's, you know, not like the other girl.

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<v Speaker 1>She's invisible, and to avoid going camping with her best

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<v Speaker 1>friend Rhiannon and her weird family, she lies and says

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<v Speaker 1>that she has a date that weekend with this guy

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<v Speaker 1>named George, who we know she just made up um

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<v Speaker 1>and Rhannon becomes convinced that all of lost her for

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<v Speaker 1>ginity with this guy, but she instead she was doing

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<v Speaker 1>that really funny Natasha Beddingfield. But I've got a pucket

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<v Speaker 1>full of sensions. I still love at it playing it

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<v Speaker 1>from a greeting cars, so funny, great montage. Emma Stone

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<v Speaker 1>is really good. I like, I fluctuate on her so much,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's amazing in this movie I tend to agree with.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Rhannon thinks this about Alive and for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>all of for reasons that she says she doesn't even understand.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, yes, that did happen. I did have sex

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<v Speaker 1>with him, which is overheard in the bathroom by Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Ann Bryant. That's the Amanda Bind's character she's like the

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<v Speaker 1>like holier than now religious extremists, like goody two shoes type.

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<v Speaker 1>She's very like oppressively religious stereotype. And she starts spreading

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<v Speaker 1>rumors all over school about all of having sex. And

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<v Speaker 1>then suddenly everyone is paying attention to Olive because they

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<v Speaker 1>think that she has sex, and she tries to tell

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<v Speaker 1>Marian that she was just lying about having done that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't work. But also, like Olive admits that

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<v Speaker 1>she's like kind of enjoying the attention she's getting for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time because before this she was invisible. And

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<v Speaker 1>then during an English class discussion about the Scarlet Letter,

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<v Speaker 1>Marian Thomas Hayden Church cool guy teacher. Yeah, the adults

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie are maybe too cool, but we can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that later. Yeah, unrealistic adult portrayal, because as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult right now, I am extremely uncool. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>I Also, there were a few times, I mean, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a teen movie, so it's like who cares,

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<v Speaker 1>But there were a few times where Thomas Hayden Church

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<v Speaker 1>was doing something dorky that was being very well received

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<v Speaker 1>in class, Like you would have been annihilate at Brockton

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<v Speaker 1>High School, Sir. He was like, let me wrap about

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<v Speaker 1>Jess kids and guys, I'm like, you would have been

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor, have been just People won't stand for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Teens will not stand for teachers wrapping. They won't um.

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<v Speaker 1>So then in during class, Marian's friend calls all of

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<v Speaker 1>a skank, and all of response by calling her a twat,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets her sent to the principal's office. And

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<v Speaker 1>then she gets detention with this kid, Brandon, who is

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<v Speaker 1>being bullied for being gay, and then they talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of like standing out and blending in, and

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<v Speaker 1>based on an idea that all of gives him, Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>decides to pretend to be straight at least until like

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<v Speaker 1>they all graduate and leave this town. And he convinces

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<v Speaker 1>her to help him make people think that the two

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<v Speaker 1>of them have sex, and she's like, okay, fine, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a party tomorrow night. Let's go and pretend to have

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<v Speaker 1>sex at this party. And then like everyone will overhear

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll think you're a stud, and they do just that.

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<v Speaker 1>Another funny scene jumping on the bed and screaming. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the premises flawed, but the scene in the payoff is funny,

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<v Speaker 1>And then afterwards everyone does think that Brandon is a stud.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they're looking at Olive and they're like except

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<v Speaker 1>for Todd the pen Badgely he's not like the other boys.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the Mascot's the mascot. She's had a crash on

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<v Speaker 1>him since she was in eighth grade. They almost kissed

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<v Speaker 1>back then, but then they didn't because he wasn't ready

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<v Speaker 1>to kiss yet. And they're friendly and they chat and

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<v Speaker 1>then also maybe he even likes her question mark pen bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Really he was on Gossip Girl, right, I never watched that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know either. I think he was Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>think so, which is funny because they she references that

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<v Speaker 1>show in this movie. Do you think pens in the

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<v Speaker 1>audience like Hollywood's crazy? I do think that he's like

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<v Speaker 1>that all the time. So then she receives a gift

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<v Speaker 1>card from Brandon, which one does. She I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep track of who gives her what gift card

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<v Speaker 1>because that target compelling to me? Okay, targeting hundred dollar

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<v Speaker 1>I think target gift card. And he gives her a vibrator, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he vibrator, which is good looking out sure in high

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<v Speaker 1>school though, like I don't believe that, right, is there

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<v Speaker 1>a sex shop in OHI or did he have to

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<v Speaker 1>drive down to Los Angeles their seniors in high school? Right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have they are because she gets the Natasha

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<v Speaker 1>Beddingfield card that she gets is a graduation card. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like congratulations yeah from her grandma. It right. So she

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<v Speaker 1>hears from Rhiannon that everyone thinks that all of is

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<v Speaker 1>a dirty skank, and then they're getting a big fight

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and then all of decides to double down

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<v Speaker 1>on this quote dirty skank image. So there's a sewing

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<v Speaker 1>montage because women be sewing. And then she shows up

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<v Speaker 1>to school in this very sultry outfit with a big

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<v Speaker 1>red as onto her tongue or like what a dork

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<v Speaker 1>just making a literary reference in her outfit. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>then she gets approached by this kid, Evan, who knows

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<v Speaker 1>the truth about what happened with Brandon, and he offers

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<v Speaker 1>all of another hundred dollar gift card to also spread

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<v Speaker 1>rumors about them doing sex stuff, and it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>to be from auto Zone. I think it's later confirmed.

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<v Speaker 1>He offers her a different one, but then when she

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<v Speaker 1>confronts him later about it, she's like, it was from

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<v Speaker 1>Autozon and I don't even have a car, like if

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<v Speaker 1>cards are funny because they were all like there was

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<v Speaker 1>like the home depot, there was auto zone. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, what is in this? For one was like

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<v Speaker 1>a bed bath then beyond cupan yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a great negotiator, and she eventually agrees to this,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she starts doing it for several other boys

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<v Speaker 1>in her school as well, and then the rumor that

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<v Speaker 1>all of solicits sex for money also starts spreading rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the school. And then things take a turn when

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<v Speaker 1>she learns that one of her classmates, Mica, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Maryanne Bryant's boyfriend, got claimidia from the guidance counselor Mrs

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<v Speaker 1>Griffith Lisa Trudre Thomas Hayden Churches his wife, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of agrees to take the fall for it, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>she's the one who gave Mica clamidia so that Mrs

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<v Speaker 1>Griffith doesn't get fired for having sex with a student.

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<v Speaker 1>And then people are protesting all of led by Marian Bryant,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to get her expelled. Ran And joins

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<v Speaker 1>in for some reason, Yes, that absolutely, it's because Olive

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<v Speaker 1>goes on the date with the guy that she likes.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think she turns on her way before that though,

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<v Speaker 1>why But I feel like she joins the Amanda bindsafter

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I think that makes sense. Yeah, And then

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<v Speaker 1>meanwhile Todd the Woodchuck boy Penn Badgeley, yes is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He keeps popping up And then she's trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out if she should come clean about everything. And then

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<v Speaker 1>this guy Anson asks her out on a date and

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that he just went out with her

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<v Speaker 1>so that he could say that they had sex, and

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<v Speaker 1>he tries to give her the two home Depot gift card,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he tries to kiss her. She has to

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<v Speaker 1>fight him off. And then Todd shows up right then

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<v Speaker 1>and he gives her a ride home and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're great and maybe I can, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, help you out with this whole thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>because all the guys that she had helped previously refused

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<v Speaker 1>to come clean about the whole situation, she decides to

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<v Speaker 1>do this vlog that we've been watching to tell her

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<v Speaker 1>side of the story, which she prefaces by performing a

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<v Speaker 1>musical number at a school pepper rally. Because I guess

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<v Speaker 1>she wishes that her life was Ferris Spieler's day off.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the more annoying aspects of the movie for me, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I I do like in retrospect, like watching that scene

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<v Speaker 1>like almost ten years later and being like, oh, for

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<v Speaker 1>sure that Like everyone on set was like, the scene

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be iconic, and I did not remember

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<v Speaker 1>it had not remembered. Every time, I'm like, what is happening?

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to be in a montage at the

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<v Speaker 1>oscar It's like, and then she rides off with Todd

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<v Speaker 1>on a lawnmower and then they kiss, and then that's

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the movie. At the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>movie killing you know what, I was really impressed by

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<v Speaker 1>begin with this. There's a lot of there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot Well, I here's my initial thoughts. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, thank you so much, thank you for giving

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<v Speaker 1>me this platform. I'm reclaiming my time. Thank you. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie does some things right which are progressive and feminist,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it does a lot of things that are

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<v Speaker 1>very wrong because one of the themes of the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the core message, let's say, is the double

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<v Speaker 1>standard of sexually active men being considered studs and sexually

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<v Speaker 1>active women being considered sluts. In the movie draws attention

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<v Speaker 1>to that, calls it out, and we're like, whoa, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But the movie only goes so far with that message

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<v Speaker 1>because it ends up like demonizing the idea of women

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<v Speaker 1>having a lot of sex and having multiple sexual partners

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<v Speaker 1>through various lines of dialogue and different attitudes that characters have, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>My main thing with this movie that well, there was

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, like, in most respects, like I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when I first saw the movie, I thought Emiston's

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<v Speaker 1>character was like the fucking coolest person the world. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I wish I were more like this character.

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<v Speaker 1>She was so cool. But most of the other women

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<v Speaker 1>outside of her mom, who is like, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>pretty positive and supportive, but like all the other female

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<v Speaker 1>characters in this story are like vicious and trophy in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, and you get some shades of gray,

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<v Speaker 1>like with you get a little bit with the Rhiannon character.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't really get that much with the Marianne character.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's like this weird. I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 1>just felt a little off to me the way that

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<v Speaker 1>she is basically like, it seems like the movie has

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<v Speaker 1>decided like, well, women will turn on each other and

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<v Speaker 1>call each other sleds and this is the main problem,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, And whereas I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the guys end up looking a little more

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<v Speaker 1>goofy rather than very much a part of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>even the mom is kind of like sled Shaney, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when they have that conversation on the car, her mom

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<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, I used to sleep with a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of people and it was because I had really

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<v Speaker 1>low self esteem and then I met your dad and

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm like fine. And so even her mom, like

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<v Speaker 1>as supportive as she is, she's still slut shaming. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>every it's like every female I mean, everyone in this

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<v Speaker 1>movie is slut shaming, and that's part of the point,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just seems like the female characters, especially at

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<v Speaker 1>that high school, were so incredibly vicious. The Lisa Kudra

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<v Speaker 1>character is totally sold out and like literally is called

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<v Speaker 1>like an evil person. And I think that this movie

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have treated its main character the same way if

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<v Speaker 1>she had had sex, Like the that's what I'm saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's no I feel like the implication is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a redeemable Like I like the end message of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, like no matter what, it's no one's fucking business.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not really what the movie was saying the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time, because because she was a virgin the whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to really question what you're supposed to be, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if that character was actually having a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sex with multiple partners, I don't think that is

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<v Speaker 1>not what happened in the movie, because I think the

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<v Speaker 1>movie really comes down against that type of behavior. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>so the romantic storyline with Todd, which there's parts of

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<v Speaker 1>it I like in parts of it, I don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>The part that I don't like is when they're like

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<v Speaker 1>in the car he's giving her a ride home, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, haven't you heard all these rumors about me?

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, yeah, I've heard them, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe them, which implies that he still likes her because

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't think she's been sleeping with a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>different people, implying that if he thought she was sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of different people, he would not like her. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like all this and it's weird because I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I I definitely did not pick up

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<v Speaker 1>on this when I first watched. But he's like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all these little exchanges and lines that the subtext is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a lie, that's the only reason this

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<v Speaker 1>is okay, and she were telling the truth, she's irredeemable

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<v Speaker 1>and bad. And then you know, so even at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>she says that line where when she's on her vlog

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and she's like, you know how shitty it

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<v Speaker 1>feels to be an outcast warranted or not? And you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the warranted or I didn't even catch that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like a little line that you're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I like, that's the values of this movie aren't really

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<v Speaker 1>what they're advertising. And then a few other lines like

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<v Speaker 1>the one that you said Lisa about like her mom

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 1>being like, yeah, I slept around because I had no

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>self worth, and then like Lisa kudrow House a line

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>that says, my god, character disaster, where is it? It's

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>something like, oh, it's real horror. Can't admit it to herself,

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>trust me? Yeah. Well, the what's confusing is that there

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>are some characters who are slut shaming, and they're framed

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>as being bad and wrong, like the Amanda Bind's character

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>and like her whole friend group. But then the movie

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>turns around owned and then like I interpreted that to

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 1>be like again, it's just like a this movie was

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>written by a queer writer, but a queer male writer

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>who I guess like he went on, you know, he

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 1>did interviews around this movie and said that the character

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:18.879
<v Speaker 1>Brandon was based on his experience in high school closet. Yeah, Like,

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>it does give you some good subtext, but it does.

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.719
<v Speaker 1>It does seem like the like decision being made by

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 1>like the writer, director, whomever else is that teen girls

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>are so fickle and we'll turn on you for absolutely

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>no reason, and we'll one eight, And I mean, I

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 1>think you almost see that in Rhiannon's character. At the beginning,

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 1>she's like, you have to be a slut. And then

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>when Emma Stones's character is like okay, and then she's

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>like I hate you, You're horrible, Like yeah, it's like not,

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to trace her logic, Like she starts. Rhiannon

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>starts out by talking openly about sex. She like screams

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the word climax and of their teacher, like she's so

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 1>excited when she thinks that all of has had sex

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>for the first time, she's like, oh, you've joined the

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>super slut club with me. And then as soon as

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>all of starts to get this reputation for reasons that

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand, she's like, well, everyone thinks you're a

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>dirty skank, and so do I. And it's like, well,

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>which is it, Like are you excited about like your

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>friend's sexuality or And then I think what happened. It's

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>like the writer needed to like heighten the conflict for

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>all of So it's like, let's put her in conflict

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>with her best friend. How do I do that make

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>her completely change everything about the character that I've established,

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Like it just doesn't. But see, I for me disagree

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a little bit because I think my experience in high

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.719
<v Speaker 1>school was actually I knew girls that were very similar

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>to that, and I think, maybe to give the writer

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>too much credit, but I almost feel like it's pointing

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>a finger at the fact that this kind of like

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the toxic ideas that we hold around owned virginity and

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:05.959
<v Speaker 1>chastity with women kind of necessarily pit women against each other,

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and this almost like who's a virgin, who's not a virgin,

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>who's sluttier, who's not sluttier? And like I remember there

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 1>was a girl in my high school who like used

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>to lord her virginity over other people, but then it

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>which it turned out that she was like having anal

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 1>sex the whole time, but like her virginity was intact,

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:25.959
<v Speaker 1>and so it was like always this and then as

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>soon as people found that out, then all of a

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>sudden she was slutty and horrible, and then others were good.

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And like even girls I knew who were like really

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>proud of being, you know, slutty, there was always like

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>like a limit and then if you went past that limit,

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>then you were bad. And I feel like this like

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>hierarchy of sluttery actually is really at least two to

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 1>my high school experience. I don't know if it's too think. Yeah,

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>there's a bit of that in my high school as well. Yeah,

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>so I feel like maybe Rhiannon is like comfortable with

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>like up to a certain point. Sure it doesn't because

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>she does and then she does. She does celebrate it

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.479
<v Speaker 1>until the point where like Emma Stone stops telling her

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>about it. That's true, and she's like a betrayal best friend. Yeah,

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and then she and then when it gets to be

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>her crush, it's I mean, honestly, I would join the

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>picket line as well. She don't grun a day with

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>your best friend's crush, it's the rule. No. And it's

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>super weird that Emma Stone only gets upset that they

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>might get seen. She's like, I don't want them to

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want her to see us, But it's like

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>you still went see I still I would argue I

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>wish that we knew more about Rhannon in general, because

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I agree that you're saying, and I think that like

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>that is like an interesting thing to explore, but it's

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>but we don't really know that much about her, So

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>it was like hard for me to glean, like we

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 1>don't really know much about like what her sexual history is,

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>because I feel like this whole movie is kind of

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>hinged around, like you know, exaggeration of what your sexual

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>experiences for social acceptance, cloud whatever, and we don't really

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>know if Rhannon is, you know, telling the truth, is

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>she exaggerating? We don't really know. Yeah, that's true. She's

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>not given a lot of backstory, no, which is a bummer.

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's there's space for that. And from

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning, I was like, Ama Stone is not

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a freakod friend to her because she's just like she

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>she lies about well, I mean, she she lies to

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 1>get out of that trip. And then yeah, I I

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know Ema Stone. At times I understood her motivations

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>and other times I was like, you're just like fucking

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>yourself over. I think they're both not good friends to

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>each other. That's true. Yeah, that's really true, which is

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of high school friendships like that. Tracks. Yeah,

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>although they're supposed to be like best friends, I feel

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>like like how they're yea since like forever right unless

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>her desktop image, that's like serious friendship. I mean, and

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I think this is pretty standard for like teen movies,

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think the complications that come with many

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>teen best friendships, like the portrayal of it in this

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 1>movie and in most teen movies, it's not very nuanced. Yeah,

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like it was clear to me just

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>like based on how their friendship was right, And I

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't think a woman wrote this movie,

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and then I checked it, like, no they did not,

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>because there is there are like it feels like some

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>kernels of like authenticity, and I like to see like,

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, female characters in conflict with each other and

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>like both kind of being assholes in different ways. Like

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that's great, but it just sometimes it was a little

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>bit uncanny valley to track in this one. For sure.

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to touch a little bit more on the

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>romantic storyline with all of and Todd and badly. Yes,

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I kept forgetting he was in the movie, and then

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>he would show up again. I was like, oh, yeah,

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess that this is you know, we care about this. Yeah.

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>He also wasn't given a lot of a story, No, No,

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>he was just kind of there, right. The little back

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>story we do get about him is that all of

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>him played seven minute in Heaven when they were in

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>eighth grade. So they go into this room and he's like, oh, actually,

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not ready to kiss yet. Could we just tell

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone that we kissed? And she's like sure. And then

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I liked that. You know, you see like a young

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>boy who's not ready to kiss, because there's like so

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>much pressure on boys starting at a very young age

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>to like be sexually active and to like start as

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>soon as possible. So I was like, oh, that's that's nice,

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>because like the idea of like a boy not being

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>ready yet, there's an idea that there's no such thing

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>is that? And of course there's so and it's very damaging.

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I like that moment. I like that the

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>little boy was able to be not ready for something

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and that was like treated very respectfully. Yeah, it wasn't

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>like an emasculation thing. It was like yeah. And then

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>so like all of goes on that date with Anson,

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 1>he tries to surprise kiss her several times. That's framed

0:33:56.360 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 1>as being wrong, unwanted, assaulty. In the contrast, she gets

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>in the car with Todd and he's been framed as

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>being this viable romantic option for Olive Chuck Todd Chuck

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Todd and then he asks permission to kiss her. She

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 1>says no, and then he's like visibly disappointed, but then

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 1>he apologizes. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry, and she's like, no,

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I just mean like I don't want to kiss you

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>right now, but I do want to french you some

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>other time. So just the fact that we see like

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>a boy asking for permission to kiss a woman appreciate

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>taking the no. Yeah, he didn't really push it. Yeah,

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 1>so that was like, oh cool, that was a yeah,

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I liked that scene too. But then there's like that

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>we're I mean, it's just such a mixed bag, that

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>very mixed where he's like, well, I want to kiss

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you because you because you because you're in text. He

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>asks that, she's like why are you interested in me

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.359
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, and then he's given this line

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>which is just kind of a non answer. He's like

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and we're like, do you, because like,

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, she's been around this whole time, but all

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, now you're in love with I guess.

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 1>But don't we see her like kind of trying to

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>talk to her before like the rumors start. Does that happen.

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't totally remember they we see them like we

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>see like they're kind of flirty. Yeah, yeah, they have

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>like they have like a moment, I guess, yeah, but

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 1>he does like explicitly stayed like, oh well I don't

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>believe those rumors, which is why I still have a

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>crush on your right, yeah, which is gosh, so yeah,

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't know. And and there, I mean,

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>this is sort of this like hearkens back to like

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a million episodes we've done at this point.

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:40.720
<v Speaker 1>But the whole like obsession with eighties movies I've found

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>so annoying. They're just like a montage of movies that

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>we've already fucking Like, what is the dog that gets shot?

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not Lassie old Yeller, old Yeller. Yeah, we've already

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>old yellow these movies and Emma Stones out here, Like

0:35:56.680 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I just wish there were more Judd Nells that you're like, oh,

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I was, like I love John Hughes. Was then it

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>literally ends with the sisso of them together. The whole

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 1>thing a lot out of me. That part she likes

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>sites these very problematic like rape movies like sixteen Candles

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and Breakfast club and it's like, oh, this is what

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>you're aspiring too well, which is again, I mean it's

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>very two. And it's also like another kind of like

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>little missed opportunity for like it's not even it's like

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>not uncommon for people to be like, oh, I wish

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>my life were like this movie that happened before I

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.840
<v Speaker 1>was born. But then it just doesn't challenge your examine

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>anything of like oh maybe that shouldn't be what and

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 1>then she just gets it. But I feel like often

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that's all we remember about those movies, right, It's like

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you just remember like the iconic moment where you're like

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 1>overcome with love and emotion and you're like, oh, it's

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.359
<v Speaker 1>so beautiful, and then you go back and actually watch

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 1>it and you're like, oh, wait, disaster. So that I mean, yeah,

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>in general, the there are parts of the Olive Todd Romantics.

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 1>It was it's not the worst teen comedy relationship by

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a long shot. Or there's definitely room for improvement. Yeah yeah,

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>that's I mean, that's that's this whole movie. For me.

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like we are on the right track. I can

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I can feel it doesn't quite go the whole way.

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Can we talking about the Lisa Kujar character that was

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>so and it did remind me a lot of like

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a very similar storyline and failing of the Jessica Williams

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>character in Book Smart this year, where it's like, oh,

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 1>they want to have I think something that would have

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>been done in the eighties without making it clear what

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 1>the age you know, content is. But they're just trying

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to update that, you know, like Trophy story line of

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.959
<v Speaker 1>like the teacher and the student hooking up but they're legal,

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>so it's okay, but it's still not good and like, yeah,

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Lisa Kutro is made out to be such an evil

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 1>shrew from moment one, like it just it sucked, right.

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>She's like, the first thing we hear her say, I

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>think is, um, I'm the guidance counselor. I should know

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>who all my students are, especially the ones who dressed

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 1>like prostitutes, and I'm supposed to be like and then

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>she just kind of like shoves condoms at her. She's like,

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm always here to support you and listen to you.

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>And then but and Emma Stone is legitimately trying to

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 1>talk to her, and she's like, I want to tell

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you what's going on? Because it's terrible and I'm really upset,

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and she's just kind of like, here, take the condoms,

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>get out of my office, right. And then there's that

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>scene their last scene together, which is like so egregious

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, I hope Lisa Kudro got paid

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money to say this. But that whole

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>scene where this is during sort of the like series

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of scenes where Emma Stone is going back to the

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.879
<v Speaker 1>people she's agreed to lie for and say I can't

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.760
<v Speaker 1>do this anymore. So she gets Lisa Coudro, and Lisa

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Coudro is like, who are people going to believe? They're

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>not gonna believe you, They're gonna believe me that. You're like,

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>oh right, boy, this is so yeah. That was like

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 1>a brutal just I mean, there's really nothing to sell

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>out with this character because she's presented as unsympathetic like it.

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I like, that's like the best example in this movie

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>of how the movie really feels about women having sex.

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Is they like and then her husband is like perfect exactly,

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>he does nothing wrong. He's like the students love him,

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone loves him. He's devastated she, like Emmas don't apologizes

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to him on her web. That's what really especially join

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.320
<v Speaker 1>me crazy about this too, is that like all of

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>takes responsibility for being a home wrecker, and she's like,

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:51.800
<v Speaker 1>oh man, I shouldn't have told it. I feel I

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 1>regret telling him, and it's like, you didn't do anything,

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 1>like it was these two other parties of Mrs Griffith

0:39:59.880 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and then this Mica kid who ruined that marriage, not you,

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 1>and the Mica character by extension too, it was like

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>even there was like a little something in that character

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>we barely see. But the only reason that he, you know, says,

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 1>oh I had sex with all of Pendergast and she

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 1>gave me chlamydia was because his like shrewy mom character

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>was like tell me what happened. She was literally hitting

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 1>him in the hospital. Yeah, like in his hospital bed.

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>So like even that like little moment finds a way

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 1>to like push the blame off on a female character

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>we barely know, Like he wouldn't have just done it

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>his mom was whacking him at the hospital and then yeah,

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 1>so it's just like all these little you're just like, ah,

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>come on, we and I don't know, and just the

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know it was it made clear I was

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 1>having trouble figuring out was it implied that Lisa Kudro's

0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 1>character had given Mica clamidia? What was Yes, I believe

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that is. I think that's what Olive said when she

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>like yelled it at the teacher. She was like, your

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 1>wife gave a student clamydia. And then also the like

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a kid when he's like talking on the phone to

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the person who we don't know who it is yet

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I don't care that you gave me chlamydia.

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I still love you. And then it cuts to Lisa Kudro,

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 1>which is just a total fumble of like handling a

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 1>storyline with a character who has uh sexually transmitted disease.

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>It like plays it off as a joke, and it

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>also serves to make Lusa Kudrow's character I think the

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>movie intends to like by giving her clamdia. That's like

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>a slut shamy like things that the movie is doing

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 1>because because she wants to make her less sympathetic, right

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>because she she didn't get it from Micah. Mica got

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it from her. As far as we understand, she might

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>have gotten it from her husband, Mr Griffith, the person

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>that we all are supposed to love, right, but I

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>probably think it so I guess she got it from

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>someone else. Yeah, so it's like you get punished for

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>being for having multiple sexual partners. Yeah. It also bothered

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>me how like later, like Michael was exiled to like

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 1>his grandparents house in Florida or whatever, and he's still

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>like scratching his crotch like like as if chlamydia you

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 1>can't just get rid of it during forever. He's now

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>tarnished and it's gross, And I was just like, that's

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 1>not It's just like it's like the writer either was

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.439
<v Speaker 1>making a joke of it or had just not even

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>done a light google of like what that which sucks

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 1>because it's like st D S, S, T I S,

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 1>whichever are like so stigmatized and played as a like

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 1>thoughtless joke in so many I think in like this

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 1>genre is like probably one of the more casual offenders

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 1>of just like playing it off and and it you know,

0:42:55.440 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not helpful to anyone he gets. I mean, yeah,

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 1>if you if you have chlamydia, you don't have to

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>move to Florida. That's just what I want everyone to know.

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Just like it's okay you can't get an anibiotic and

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you're really just move on with your life a miracle.

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 1>We got to take another quick break, but then we'll

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>come right back. Can we talk about man, wow, Jamie

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Not to get controversial on the pod, yes, please go on.

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk a little bit about how boys

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 1>or men. I don't think they're supposed to be boys,

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>but everyone's visibly but you know how the boys who

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 1>ask all of to lie for them are portrayed in

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>because I thought it was like something that I had

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to go back and like rewatch, especially that scene with

0:43:56.200 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the Evan where we do see at every step of

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:04.839
<v Speaker 1>the way, starting with Brandon, all of has to be convinced.

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I would almost throw the word coerced out there in

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 1>some cases of to do it in the first place,

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>where she starts out with the very like two thousand

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 1>ten high school or thoughtless idea of like, oh, well,

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:21.879
<v Speaker 1>you don't want people to make fun of you because

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>you're gay, just tell him you're straight. You're like, okay,

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that's okay. But then it's like that, I mean, the

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>writer is pulling from his own experience from that, so

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, uh, if that is what's happening. But

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 1>then he you know, I feel like the reason that

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>it is okay for them to do that is because

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 1>they are quote unquote bullied, and so it makes it

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>okay for them to ask this unreasonable favor of Olive.

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And like, I thought that the Evans seen stuck out

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to me the most, as you know, because he asks her,

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 1>will you do this for me? She says no, fuck you,

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and then he says, yeah, I mean, of course you're

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:08.320
<v Speaker 1>saying no, I'm such a loser. Before before he says,

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll pay you a hundred dollars. Also, I don't need

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:16.879
<v Speaker 1>your permission here, which means like, I'm going to take

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>advantage of your reputation and exploit it from my own

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 1>personal gain, and I'm going to do it whether you

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>like it or not. And she's furious with him, rightfully so.

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And then he does the one guilds her and says,

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm just you know, he calls himself a fat piece

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>of ship, and then she takes pity on him, and

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 1>then she and I feel like the movie, they're like, oh,

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>well of course she would, you know, Like it's just

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 1>she has every right to be like, no, like, sort

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>this out on your own right, go you know, go

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 1>talk to Lisa Kudrow, I don't know, like and then

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 1>just you know, telling them. But but she's kind of

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 1>repeatedly guilted by these outcast, misfic guys, and it sort

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.479
<v Speaker 1>of I mean, because this movie talks so much about

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 1>eighties tropes, it feels like almost a like a John

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Hughes Nerd character that is like an character who is

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.240
<v Speaker 1>like I feel entitled to this and because I can't

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 1>have it, you know, you have to do this for me.

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 1>That kind of like coercion narrative, which sucks because again,

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.879
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's a there there is the opportunity here

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 1>for those themes to be like explored a little more thoughtfully.

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 1>And it's the thing that always bugs me is was like,

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>there's like it would be funnier too, if she was

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 1>like pushing back on this stuff instead of just folding

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 1>or like negotiating for herself. Like that's the thing that

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 1>irritated me to because there's this moment where she's like,

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 1>all right, this is happening, I'm just going to own

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 1>it and I'll just do it. But then yeah, like

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>we said, she's getting like cent off to the body

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 1>shop and like, you know, an AutoZone gift card or

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>whatever and like stuff that she can't actually use. And

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I really wanted her to like build an empire and

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 1>be like, actually, you know, I want five hundred dollars

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 1>to the store that actually shop at, right, because in

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that scene with Evan, she's like, Okay, I want a

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollar gift card in my locker and she says, um,

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 1>but we didn't have sex. You can tell people that

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>you like, fondled my chest And he's like, a hundred

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.480
<v Speaker 1>bucks is pretty steep for that. Can't you say that?

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Like you rubbed my pants and I touched your butt

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.759
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, And she's just like whatever, And

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 1>it maybe it's commentary on how like girls and women

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:34.800
<v Speaker 1>are never taught to negotiate. Who knows, it's probably not

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:39.839
<v Speaker 1>as well. That then kind of brings up the conversation

0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 1>of sex work and is this character could she be

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 1>considered a sex worker? Yeah? I mean I think so,

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I think a lot of sex work doesn't have

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>to be literal sex, and a lot of it is

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>not a lot of it isn't, and a lot of

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 1>it is like caretaking and even helping with image and

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 1>with public persona and all of that is a huge

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>element of sex work. So I think, yeah, there's definitely

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.759
<v Speaker 1>sex work in this movie. I would say for sure.

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>But then the movie also like shames sex work and

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 1>sex workers at different points. Yeah, like it calls her

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 1>says she dresses like a prostitute or she looks like

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:23.759
<v Speaker 1>a stripper, but don't worry a high class strippers like

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 1>for governors. I think her dad says that it disappointing.

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>And then there's a moment where she is talking to

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the ants and guy and she's like, I'm not actually

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.719
<v Speaker 1>having sex with people for money, with like this tone

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>of disgust in her voice. It's just like another way

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:43.919
<v Speaker 1>that this movie is trying to have it very much

0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:47.399
<v Speaker 1>both ways, where they will like go all the way

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>up to the line of like showing sex work, but

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 1>they won't call it that, and they have to condemn

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 1>everything else that falls under umbrella. It's only okay because

0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:02.359
<v Speaker 1>she's not actually sexual, right, And yeah, it's just Oh,

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 1>also she's given gift cards to retail stores because women

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 1>be shopping. There's I know, I'm just think that was

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I was. And then like male coded stores, which they

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 1>play as a oftentimes why would a woman want to

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 1>go to home depot And it's like, okay, why bad joke,

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.880
<v Speaker 1>just bad just not yeah there, Yeah, I was. I

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 1>was frustrated. I never really thought about how little she

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 1>negotiates um because that's like I feel like that raises

0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 1>the stakes in a cooler way too, if she like

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 1>has this empire and there's more for her to lose

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to she's just taking whatever is offered and

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 1>it's all you know, reputation game. Yeah, and I feel

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that she doesn't really get anything that

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 1>she wants out of it just kind of doubles down

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>on the idea that you know, like she owes someone something,

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's just it's you know. The moment

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I did like was when she pays when she goes

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:02.680
<v Speaker 1>on the date with Anson before he turns on her,

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and she just pays for it with one of the

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:07.719
<v Speaker 1>gift cards. I thought that was a cool moment where

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:09.239
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of those movies at that time, like

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, see women paying for dates, and she doesn't

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:13.359
<v Speaker 1>without making it. She's just like, yeah, I have money now,

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to just pay for this lobster din

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:18.839
<v Speaker 1>or no problem. Um, it's kind of a badass moment,

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 1>just like keep the tip we're leaving because they go

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 1>to the lobster the Lobster Shock, and then Rhiannon's there.

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:29.759
<v Speaker 1>I have to like sneak out when you run into

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 1>your ex Bustia lobster shop, you know, with her parents.

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Also that parent drug is so corny of like we're

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 1>in California, so everyone's like naked, you're eating Payotie burgers,

0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:50.880
<v Speaker 1>right Like that was like a little I don't know.

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:54.760
<v Speaker 1>But then I texted Michaela, who's from oh Hi, about

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:56.400
<v Speaker 1>that scene and she was like, oh, that was the

0:50:56.440 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 1>only part that I thought they got right about. She

0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 1>was just like, yeah, but you know, we don't we

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>all oh Hi heads way and did you feel like

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that was good? Oh Hi visibility? Let us know. But

0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:14.399
<v Speaker 1>another like set of parents or adults in this movie

0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:19.240
<v Speaker 1>here were like just like so freaking cool, right because

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.600
<v Speaker 1>man is as much as I love the Tooch and

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.080
<v Speaker 1>he is the best part of every movie he's in.

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:30.200
<v Speaker 1>But like the like her parents are, I don't know,

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>it's everyone's just it's like they're like so much of this.

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.600
<v Speaker 1>You can tell that the writer of this movie has

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 1>watched a lot of Gilmore Girls based on how this

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:44.080
<v Speaker 1>movie is written, which I love, but I feel like

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.360
<v Speaker 1>they go the Gilmore Girls style of parenting too, to

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>the point where it seems like at some points it's

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like your daughter is like having a tough time and

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.359
<v Speaker 1>you just keep like poking your head and your room

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:59.280
<v Speaker 1>being like hey, uh, don't worry by and I'm like, okay,

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:03.839
<v Speaker 1>this is right right right that, And then a lot

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.719
<v Speaker 1>of the conversations are like her parents making fun of

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 1>her for having a gay boyfriend and she like that's

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 1>not the thing, and they both do the I think,

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.360
<v Speaker 1>like the casual they both are like, oh, I was

0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>gay for a couple of weeks in college, like that

0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:25.880
<v Speaker 1>very two thousand thoughtless joke. I mean, the way queerness

0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:32.880
<v Speaker 1>is presented in general was peculiar, let's say, um, And

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it is helpful to know the context of the writer

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:40.799
<v Speaker 1>being a gay man who who is like pulling from

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 1>his personal experience and that's part of like what inspired

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 1>this story that he wrote, but again it's just kind

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:51.840
<v Speaker 1>of under explored in the actual movie. And then the

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 1>way they talk about it as well, like the language

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that gets used a lot of the times, and it

0:52:57.600 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 1>never takes challenges, you know, all of us like oh,

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:03.080
<v Speaker 1>you know that Brandon kid and Rhanon's like, yeah, isn't

0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 1>he a homo? And they like time they say like

0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the word homosexual with this just like hint of disdain

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:19.120
<v Speaker 1>or dismissive and then like other otherness like oh, well

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 1>he's a homosexual. He's aid he's different, which I think

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:24.440
<v Speaker 1>is a very two thousand ten of their like well,

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem with it, but like gross,

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:30.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, like yeah, like having it both ways, nos

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:33.879
<v Speaker 1>of of this like time and then yeah, the whole

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 1>we already touched on this, but like the straight person

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:41.200
<v Speaker 1>encouraging a queer person to like suppress your sexuality, and

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.680
<v Speaker 1>then he's like, oh, hadn't thought of that? You're likely

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:48.839
<v Speaker 1>And I get like a lot of like queer young

0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:52.560
<v Speaker 1>people do end up doing that to some degree, like

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 1>in high school, because they're trying to you know, it's

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.200
<v Speaker 1>a self preservation thing. They're trying to avoid being bullied

0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. But and he gives this what

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I've out was like a fairly well done verge of

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.480
<v Speaker 1>tears monologue where he's talking about being tormented every day

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:08.920
<v Speaker 1>at school and you know, we can fantasize about how

0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:10.920
<v Speaker 1>things will be different one day, but this is today

0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.040
<v Speaker 1>and today sucks, and like, please help me, I don't

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm gonna do. And like that wasn't that

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 1>was like a that felt like a good authentic yes,

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.800
<v Speaker 1>yeah I thought so. Yeah, but yeah, I'm interested to

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>hear from our queer listeners how they thought queerness in

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>general was depicted in this movie because it just rang

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a little off, it was, I mean. And also the

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:35.320
<v Speaker 1>fact that Brandon kind of disappears after like when she

0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:37.399
<v Speaker 1>goes back to talk to him. Oh, and then there's

0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:42.240
<v Speaker 1>that very bizarre, like problematic Huckleberry Finn joke that keeps

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 1>coming back that you're just like, has he read Huckleberry?

0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Like it was, so Brandon is gone. He like he

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 1>finds a boyfriend, and then does he finish high school?

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:55.759
<v Speaker 1>He seems to have run away from it, runs away

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:58.279
<v Speaker 1>from he seems okay, so he drops out and and

0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.239
<v Speaker 1>and leaves. But it's like character, we just see him

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 1>in a flash forward scene with a tasteless joke and

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:06.239
<v Speaker 1>that's the last we see you. And I think it

0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of frames that whole thing is like a good thing.

0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:10.880
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like, look, he ran away and is in

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 1>love and everything's fine, and it's like he left his

0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:17.040
<v Speaker 1>home and he's a child and this is probably really

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.239
<v Speaker 1>bad and like, but there's no nuance to it. It's

0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:23.839
<v Speaker 1>just like it's a joke. It's just a joke. Race

0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:26.760
<v Speaker 1>in general is another thing that it's not handled especially

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:31.839
<v Speaker 1>well in this movie. Um it's a very white movie. Um,

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.799
<v Speaker 1>most of the cast is white. The school that they

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:38.800
<v Speaker 1>go to is predominantly white. I'm not sure how diverse

0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:42.319
<v Speaker 1>are like just seen in background shots at the high

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 1>school is people of color? Yeah, they're treated as like tokens,

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>props or punch lines. Basically all of has an adopted

0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 1>brother who was black. But that just feels like a

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 1>very tokenized character with all the jokes about him being

0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:01.719
<v Speaker 1>adopted to Like that felt a little bit off to me.

0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I was like, how does it's played as like, Oh,

0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:05.920
<v Speaker 1>this is a jovial family moment. I'm like, but how

0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.920
<v Speaker 1>does he feel about these jokes? Right? All we know

0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:10.719
<v Speaker 1>about him is that he got a B plus on

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.919
<v Speaker 1>his spelling test. All we find out about the whole

0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:17.560
<v Speaker 1>man He doesn't want to watch the bucket List because

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:21.800
<v Speaker 1>why they still get Netflix DVDs in that household, and

0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like important representation, but yeah, I feel like

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:31.080
<v Speaker 1>her brother is literally just there for Stanley to g

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.719
<v Speaker 1>to be like, well, it's obvious he's adopted because he's

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>not white like us, Like that is the function of

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:39.759
<v Speaker 1>that character. And then and then the way that the

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Huckleberry Finn the So, how is that line first presented?

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get it wrong. Yeah, I've got

0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:48.440
<v Speaker 1>it here because it was cringe e the first time,

0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and then it came back and then yeah, so here's

0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 1>what happens. Early on in the movie, all of is

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about how, oh, the books we read in school

0:56:58.160 --> 0:57:00.640
<v Speaker 1>always seem to reflect like the t and age ankst

0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:02.920
<v Speaker 1>that we're going through, because she's talking about how the

0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:06.400
<v Speaker 1>scarlet letter relates to what's happening with her, uh in

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.640
<v Speaker 1>present time. And then she's like, but the exception is

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Huckleberry Finn. I don't know any teenage boys who have

0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 1>run away with a big, hulking black guy. And then

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the movie, Brandon has run away

0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:22.919
<v Speaker 1>from home with a black man. And then we see

0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:27.600
<v Speaker 1>them together watching Huckleberry Finn on film and they're watching

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.160
<v Speaker 1>it like, oh, yeah, this is us, I guess, and

0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:34.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, so this black guy is the punch

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.240
<v Speaker 1>line to this stupid joke that you set up and

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 1>was stupid then and it's stupid when we see it

0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 1>again called back to and it's just like really icky

0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and weird. That was like a joke that you're just like,

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 1>has this writer read Huckleberry Finn? It just was confusing

0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:55.439
<v Speaker 1>or ever talked to a black person? Unclear? But yeah,

0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean the way that the very few non white

0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:02.440
<v Speaker 1>characters are treated are literally it's only in regards to

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:05.600
<v Speaker 1>their race. Yeah, here's another example. There's an Indian kid

0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 1>who gives her the off the body cue pump, and

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:14.680
<v Speaker 1>then she calls him amigo, and then the voiceover kicks

0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:17.000
<v Speaker 1>in and says, I knew he wasn't Latino, but for

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 1>some reason, all these shady backdoor deals had me talking

0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:23.640
<v Speaker 1>like Carlito. And then she calls him essay. So it's like,

0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:27.600
<v Speaker 1>whoof all brown people are the same that Emma Stone

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>right the movie? Ah, Yeah, that seems just sucks all over,

0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:38.960
<v Speaker 1>very not good, very very uncomfortable. Um. Yes, race in

0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:42.320
<v Speaker 1>general is um, believe it or not not handled well

0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 1>in a movie. What believable in furiod. Yeah. The background

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:54.200
<v Speaker 1>on the other major credit that this writer has is

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 1>he wrote the do you remember like the horny Charlie

0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Brown play Dog Sees Gone Odd? I think that a

0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of people did it when I was in high

0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 1>school to be edgy, but it's like Charlie Brown is

0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 1>fucked up and he's horny. And he also wrote that

0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:13.959
<v Speaker 1>point makes me uncomfortable. I'm probably underselling it and maybe

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:16.320
<v Speaker 1>it's like wonderful, but I just remember seeing it at

0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:18.880
<v Speaker 1>like a drama competition and being like, oh my god,

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 1>why is Charlie Brown so horny? Like he's ten? But

0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:30.200
<v Speaker 1>you know that's and and then the director is Will Gluck,

0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:34.120
<v Speaker 1>who also has directed Peter Rabbit and Peter Rabbit Too

0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 1>well good for him. And there you go. And that's

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the beginning, middle, and end of that incredible Yeah did

0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:43.560
<v Speaker 1>you did? Did you have any other stuff you wanted to?

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:47.520
<v Speaker 1>My last thing? Yeah, it's that there's a point in

0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the movie where all of notices that her name anagrams

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I love, which presents an opportunity for me to mention

0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>how Caitlin Durante anagrams to such things as Latin dancer,

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<v Speaker 1>U T I one classic nine tip Dracula. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any new ones, but I just want to These

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<v Speaker 1>are the classics. Okay, this is hard John Hughes one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the eighties ones Lauren d Titanic. And then

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<v Speaker 1>a newer one that I think maybe other people aren't

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with yet is but Jamie, you know this one

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<v Speaker 1>because we texted about it a Tan clarinet. I U

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<v Speaker 1>D wow, I like that one. Thank you. That's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a perfect numbers. Yeah, I feel like mine

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<v Speaker 1>would be very weird. Well, you have TSE disease, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do with that? Let's find out. Just

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<v Speaker 1>give me a few minutes I can. I'll work my

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<v Speaker 1>magic for this topic. But yeah, I think that's it

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Like the big thing with me for this

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<v Speaker 1>movie is like, there need to be narratives that empower

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<v Speaker 1>women's sexuality. There are almost none of them in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Like starts to attempt to do that by calling attention

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<v Speaker 1>to this double standard, but it doesn't take it far enough,

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<v Speaker 1>and it still resorts to a lot of just slut

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<v Speaker 1>shaming attitudes and other missteps along the way. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like kind of a funny movie to tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do think that it is well intentioned, but

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of just indicates it of the time and

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<v Speaker 1>probably of the creative team a little bit that they

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't you know, fully worked out, because I would be

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<v Speaker 1>very surprised if you know, they looked at this like, oh, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not shaming anyone in this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that's what they thought, is that they were up

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<v Speaker 1>prefting Team Girls. I see what they're going for, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know it was two thousand ten. Oh. Actually, my

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<v Speaker 1>real last thought is this, Um. I always appreciate when

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<v Speaker 1>a teen movie does not end in like prom or

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of like passion graduation see, which they totally

1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:04.160
<v Speaker 1>could have done. They could have done. Um. Instead, it

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<v Speaker 1>ends with the weird the vlog. Prior to that, it's

1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:11.040
<v Speaker 1>that weird like big musical number at the PEP rally,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's her like riding off into the sunset

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<v Speaker 1>with her new hetero boyfriend. Like I feel would rather

1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:25.280
<v Speaker 1>end in graduation than as a John Hughes movie, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, actually the way I saw it ending

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<v Speaker 1>was that it ends with a vlog, which I actually

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<v Speaker 1>think is really powerful. Like I think my last thought

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<v Speaker 1>is something I think the film did well, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the reference to the Scarlet Letter, which to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't read, but my understanding is that in the

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<v Speaker 1>Scarlet Letter, you know, she's forced to wear the A

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<v Speaker 1>because she's like a supposed adulter, and so she has

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<v Speaker 1>to wear this A, and the A is kind of

1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:53.280
<v Speaker 1>like this punishment. And then I think there's something in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that Emma Stone decides to label herself with

1:02:57.080 --> 1:03:00.080
<v Speaker 1>the A and everyone hates her for that, and I

1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:02.640
<v Speaker 1>think there is a really powerful statement on like women

1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:07.040
<v Speaker 1>owning their sexuality and having that not be okay that

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<v Speaker 1>I think the movie does a good job of pointing out.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, and in a way, the vlog like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of couching this story is like the ultimate way

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<v Speaker 1>of Emma Stone trying to own her own narrative and

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<v Speaker 1>take it back from all these people that have, you know,

1:03:20.120 --> 1:03:23.440
<v Speaker 1>made it about themselves. And so in that way, if

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<v Speaker 1>you see the ending of the film, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>does have that little John Hughes like tacked on bit

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<v Speaker 1>after the blog the vlog, but I think the vlog

1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:33.240
<v Speaker 1>frame was actually really like a cool thing. I did

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that. Yeah, I really liked that and I genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>like where the movie lands on the topic of their

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<v Speaker 1>just like you know that ending line where she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I might lose my virginity today six months from now

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<v Speaker 1>on my wedding night. It's no one's goddamn business. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an awesome message to end on. And I just wished

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<v Speaker 1>that everything that happened before it was before a little

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<v Speaker 1>more consistently. But I do that's like stuff like that

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<v Speaker 1>where you're like, this, it was really they were trying,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't it was it was not Brianna's forgives her.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she like apologizes or although I'm Brianna has

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<v Speaker 1>as much to apologize to there, but they're talking in

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<v Speaker 1>there like sidekick all caps apology, I am sorry. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'll move you back into my top eight now. But

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<v Speaker 1>well so that's a great point though, about like her

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<v Speaker 1>like taking like she she's like, here's my version of

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<v Speaker 1>the story, and I'm telecasting it out. She's basically making

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast if we think about it. But she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want the truth out there. I do really enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the romantic storyline did feel a little wedged in,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it was like a studio I think

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been. I didn't hate the way. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean again, it was like it wasn't the worst teen

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<v Speaker 1>comedy romantic shoehorns subplot of all time. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have to be there. It would have been

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<v Speaker 1>more powerful if the movie just ended with her being like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here's my story and I'm telling it in you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are going to college by She didn't have that line

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<v Speaker 1>in there where she was like now that I was

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<v Speaker 1>like seeing us such like a slut in school, like

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<v Speaker 1>no one actually wanted to date me, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of her motivation for going out with Anson. Again, it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really come from anywhere, so I did feel kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shoved in there, But I did think that was

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<v Speaker 1>like an interesting point of just like how even perceived

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<v Speaker 1>sexually active girls are the country. Yeah exactly, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>my Donna horror thing. Yeah, it's trying this movie and

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<v Speaker 1>and and it is like, I mean when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this all the time, but like movies that are

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<v Speaker 1>well intentioned but flawed in this way, for for movies

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<v Speaker 1>that are well intentioned and slightly less flawed, progress is slow.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that scene, my favorite scene, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is when she comes out after having sex with Brandon,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just so clearly contrasts the two experiences of

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon coming out the hero and her coming out and

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<v Speaker 1>no one's talking to her. Some girls give her side

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<v Speaker 1>and she kind of sneaks out of the party like

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<v Speaker 1>like she did something wrong, and that seemed to me

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<v Speaker 1>felt really really progressive for that time. Oh, pretty good movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty good. But is it an A? Maybe? Not? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of let's right, but before we do that, does

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<v Speaker 1>this movie pass the Bechtel tests? It definitely does? It does?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah multiple times between Olive and Rhiannon, although they often

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<v Speaker 1>talk about George, the fake boy that she didn't but

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<v Speaker 1>George is more of an idea that's true, so is

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<v Speaker 1>it does it count an idea? Olive and Marianne talk,

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<v Speaker 1>although they mostly talk about how God he pronouns is

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<v Speaker 1>judging Olive and then like Olive and her mom talk,

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<v Speaker 1>but they often talk about Brandon. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversations are about boys and men, but they're definitely

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<v Speaker 1>exchanges that pass yeah yeah between multiple characters. So does

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<v Speaker 1>it get an A? Or five nipples on our nipple

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<v Speaker 1>scale zero to five nipples based on this representation of

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<v Speaker 1>women um, I give it like a it's a half.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like in the middle, it's like really especially two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half, it's it's trying. It's two thousand and ten.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we've only barely started trying to progress as

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<v Speaker 1>a society in this year, so it's doing it's best,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's best is not very good by our standard.

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<v Speaker 1>And a good point about all the other women in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. You know, it's like a stone maybe pretty good,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone pretty villainized. Are are made to see him and

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<v Speaker 1>even in some ways, even in the ways that are

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<v Speaker 1>high school realistic, they're just it just doesn't the writing

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't go quite fair depth given to it. It is

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<v Speaker 1>all even if it's like realistic, it's still not really

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<v Speaker 1>realistic because there's no depth or backstory or motivation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all just like they come off mean a very mean

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<v Speaker 1>and very petty super official And I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>male characters are kind of given a free past the

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<v Speaker 1>especially like Evan that kind of like he manipulated her,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean that kind of reminded me of Emma

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<v Speaker 1>Stone's storyline in Super Bad, except in this one she

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<v Speaker 1>loses where you know, like the Jonah Health character is

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<v Speaker 1>like you never have a Kushia me, I'm a loser

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<v Speaker 1>and then she's like but in super Bad, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit better because she's like, no, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like you because you are fucking rude, and he's oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but then they still end up together ish or something,

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<v Speaker 1>but forget but at least he doesn't, you know. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like he doesn't get what he wants. In the

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<v Speaker 1>same scene, I don't know, literally two sentences after threatening her,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, and then she's like, oh, I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>feel bad for you, right right. Yeah. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that the boys trying to coerce all of our

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<v Speaker 1>kind of made to be more jokey than being examined

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<v Speaker 1>for being extremely fucking entitled. Yeah. Yes, I'll give it

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<v Speaker 1>a two and a half because I think the intention

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie is to expose like women are punished

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<v Speaker 1>for being sexually active, but it just didn't really go

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<v Speaker 1>all the way. Um, so two and a half nipples,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will give one to Amanda Binds, not her

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<v Speaker 1>character but her as a person, actually her her character

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<v Speaker 1>and she's the man gets one of my nipples. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just go ahead and give Stanley Tucci another one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of my nipples and then I'll give my half nipple.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give it to that poor little brother who, just

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<v Speaker 1>like Dame. You don't even remember what's his name? Justice

1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:07.360
<v Speaker 1>for a little brother, Chip. I guess his name was Chip.

1:10:08.160 --> 1:10:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember here in Chip, but that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was his name. Uh yeah, I'm gonna go to a

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<v Speaker 1>half as well. I think that this movie has its

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<v Speaker 1>heart in the right place. I would wager that it's

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<v Speaker 1>at least attempting to do more than most movies in

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<v Speaker 1>We're attempting. I think that it's it's always good to

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<v Speaker 1>have a female lead comedy. It's not super common, and

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<v Speaker 1>this movie falls heavier on the comedy side than the

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<v Speaker 1>romance side, which is nice. Um, it's cool that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this movie almost definitely made way for more movies like

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<v Speaker 1>it because it was super successful. It was like eight

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar budget, seventy five million dollar box office, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I it has its place in time. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot there's I would say about half of it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really sit that well. But it's been almost ten

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<v Speaker 1>years since this movie came out. For its time, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a valiant effort and we we we

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<v Speaker 1>soldier on to better more fun movies for everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to do Blockers sometimes soon we gotta do anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say about that movie. I've watched Blockers. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've only seen it on planes, but I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>it too, right, yeah, and was like, oh, this will

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<v Speaker 1>be fun. It's like perfect plane movie. It's wild. It

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<v Speaker 1>was sometimes when I'm like, oh this movie was made

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<v Speaker 1>for planes, I'm not sure. Um, yeah we'll get but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>i'll do. I'll do two and a half and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give I'm gonna give two to Emma Stone this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what Rewatching it reminded me like why people love

1:11:46.400 --> 1:11:48.880
<v Speaker 1>her so much? Like she's she's fun to watch, She's

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<v Speaker 1>very funny. I think that like a lesser actress in

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<v Speaker 1>this part would have been like, you know, cringeing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would have you know, So give two to Emma

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<v Speaker 1>and then yeah, I'll give the other half to Ali Michalca.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure glad to see she's thriving ten years ago. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know she's doing fun. Oh gosh, Well, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be different. But I feel like two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half is like pretty perfect for this because it is

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<v Speaker 1>trying really hard. I feel like it does a good

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<v Speaker 1>job with like both like toxic masculinity and slut shaming

1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:23.920
<v Speaker 1>female like all of that it does, it's it's hinting

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<v Speaker 1>at it. So I was pleased with that. And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember when I watched it when I was younger, feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with Emma Stone, like I was a very big,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reputed slut in high school too, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I really related to that and related to the fact that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it just it made me feel good

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<v Speaker 1>better about myself, I think when it first came out.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so two and a half, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty good. Um, I definitely want to give one

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<v Speaker 1>to Patricia Clarkson because I feel like, even though she

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<v Speaker 1>does end up kind of slut shamy at the end, overall,

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<v Speaker 1>it was nice to see a mother care actor who

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like forcing like puritanical standards on a daughter, which

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like is really often portrayed in movies, especially

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<v Speaker 1>back then, and so it was kind of nice to

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<v Speaker 1>have a mom who, like, although she didn't fully get there, um,

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<v Speaker 1>she was trying to get there and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know she's like, oh, you can have a boy

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<v Speaker 1>in your room and you know he's gay. But at least,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know. Um, I feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>was there was something there, and then you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to give one to Emma Stone's lingerie because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was a really that was really I really thought,

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<v Speaker 1>like the first moment when she walked to school in

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<v Speaker 1>a corset, I was like, Oh, there's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>whole dress code thing about this, right, um and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought it was cool how she just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like owned wearing lingerie to high school and totally

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<v Speaker 1>rocked that. Um so, I think that deserves a nipple

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<v Speaker 1>to hell. Yeah, I liked that they during the like

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<v Speaker 1>montage where she's like re vamping her wardrobe. You see

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<v Speaker 1>the bag, it's like, oh high launder ray, Like sure,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a business day, Like how did she

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<v Speaker 1>afford all this nice lunch? Yea that everyone is as

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<v Speaker 1>a wealthy person. I guess no team comedy that's true

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<v Speaker 1>for oh Hi. I mean I guess she's maybe on

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<v Speaker 1>the like she's in rich Oh Hi, it would appear.

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<v Speaker 1>There's I mean so many teams. I'm like, please more

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<v Speaker 1>team comedies that don't take place in like upper class,

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<v Speaker 1>because most team comedies don't work just the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they're written unless it's taking place in an upper class setting,

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<v Speaker 1>because uh, you know, Shenanigans are expensive. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like really what, but but it is like from I

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<v Speaker 1>mean even I had the same criticism for a book smart.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just like every like this movie doesn't work

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<v Speaker 1>if people don't have infinite privilege to fall back on.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, well someday, someday, but that's easy. A

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<v Speaker 1>gang that there it is. They did their best and

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<v Speaker 1>we respect it. ASA. Thank you so much for being here,

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<v Speaker 1>for having me. This is really fun. Tell us, tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about your book. Yeah, my book. It's a memoir.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny, it's great. Thank you. Um. I'm I'm scared

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<v Speaker 1>for it to come out, but I'm also really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it. Like you know, I talk a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about being a slit in high school in it, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's very relevant, too easy. I talked a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>the rumors going around that somewhere true, somewhere it's so true. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and then kind of just like always being labeled the

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<v Speaker 1>slut and how that kind of like made me realize,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Okay, I kinda want to go into sex

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<v Speaker 1>work and seeing kind of what happens next? So yeah, excellent,

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. I have no idea what I'm doing,

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming. So glad we've finally got

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<v Speaker 1>like a little coordinated number. We should have closed. So

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<v Speaker 1>what is the song that she sings at the end?

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<v Speaker 1>They must have How about this? I got a pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>got a pocket for ascension. I know there was Yeah, classic.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta love that. I know there's a classic, sure

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Okay, bye bye,