Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in
Speaker 1: best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the beck Del Cast. My name is
Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Toronte, and this is
Speaker 1: our podcast where we look at how women are portrayed
Speaker 1: in movies. Wow. I was trying to think of a
Speaker 1: fun intro for today, and then all three of us
Speaker 1: realized that none of us had actually read The Scarlet Letter,
Speaker 1: and so it was impossible to reference it because we
Speaker 1: never read the book, nor had I seen the Demi
Speaker 1: Moore version of it. Nor have I Yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of want to now based on the description that she's
Speaker 1: like naked in the bathtub and doing a fake British accent.
Speaker 1: I do love a bad accent in a movie. It
Speaker 1: doesn't take me out of it at all. He pulls
Speaker 1: me closer, It gets me right where they want me,
Speaker 1: and that pass the Bechdel test it which is if
Speaker 1: you're not familiar. The media metric that we use as
Speaker 1: a jumping off point, also called the Bechdel Wallace test,
Speaker 1: and it requires that two female identifying characters speak to
Speaker 1: each other in the movie that they're in. They should
Speaker 1: have names, and they should not talk about a man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for at least two lines, which most movies, uh don't.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of them just really don't. They don't
Speaker 1: even try. We've got I'm excited to talk about the
Speaker 1: movie today because we've got like a fun mixed bag
Speaker 1: of of a movie. It's two thousand ten written all
Speaker 1: over it. It's really having it both ways this movie. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm really excited. It's been like a long time request.
Speaker 1: We've been getting this request for years, ignoring it for
Speaker 1: some reason. And then our wonderful guest was like, how
Speaker 1: have you not done this movie? We're like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. This was a hill we chose
Speaker 1: to die on for so long. The Lovely movie. It's
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's fun, the teaches in it, the two
Speaker 1: She's firing on all cylinders. I can't wait to talk
Speaker 1: about the tooch. Penn, how do you say his name?
Speaker 1: Penn Badgley? I don't know Bedley, I don't know. He's
Speaker 1: in that very scary show that I watched all of
Speaker 1: even though it makes me feel horrible. Which one he
Speaker 1: plays a stalker? You, Yeah, it's every It's so it's
Speaker 1: I think that that show is like so every like
Speaker 1: over the top problematic stalker trope that I don't even
Speaker 1: feel anything watching it. Like it's just so it's all
Speaker 1: of them at once. It's crazy. Probably won't watch it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably don't. Um. We teased our guests, but then we
Speaker 1: didn't actually introduce her, so let's do that now. She
Speaker 1: is a screenwriter, producer. She's the writer of the film
Speaker 1: cam on Netflix. She's the author of the upcoming memoir
Speaker 1: cam Girl, coming out on November twelve. It's mataiea. Hi,
Speaker 1: Hi guys, welcome, Thank you so much for having me
Speaker 1: where cam Heads. We're so excited you're here and we're
Speaker 1: talking about easy a Yes, two thousand ten teen comedy
Speaker 1: is then we were short in this. Yeah, Emma Stone's
Speaker 1: first starring vehicle. Remember the World before Emma Stone, I
Speaker 1: barely do. And it's also Amanda Bindes is last. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Lane is in it for a second. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: is from Lizzie McGuire. Yeah, Miranda, she shows up for
Speaker 1: one line. Yeah, she doesn't even have a name in
Speaker 1: the movie, like her credit is just girl on the
Speaker 1: Street or something. Yeah that I forgot about that, but
Speaker 1: it's every like I checked Lilane's I am dB. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll say once a year. It occurs to me to
Speaker 1: just check in and I always see that credit. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have what was that? And now I know? Very good.
Speaker 1: She shines Lisa Coudras in this movie. Yes she is,
Speaker 1: and I think a role that we'll get to. But
Speaker 1: it reminded me a lot of the Jessica Williams role
Speaker 1: in books. Aren't oh sure the way that it plays
Speaker 1: out and how much I didn't care for it. But
Speaker 1: Amanda Binds is basically playing the same character that Mandy
Speaker 1: Moore does. Yeah, yeah, which is I love Amanda Binds
Speaker 1: to the end of year, but the Mandy Moore character
Speaker 1: is way better. Sure, I need to rewatch Saved, but
Speaker 1: saved it a long time. That would be an interesting one.
Speaker 1: We've gotten requests, man, We've just we've ever well, the
Speaker 1: thing is we just stop ignoring people. It's not that
Speaker 1: we're annoying people, is that we've gotten requests for probably
Speaker 1: every movie ever made. We've gotten thousands upon thousands of
Speaker 1: requests were so cool and popular. Made a short film
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, and while it doesn't have much of
Speaker 1: a cult following, I think there's a lot to discuss.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, we'll get there. This podcast is going
Speaker 1: to go on for five years and we'll get there. Uh, Sosa,
Speaker 1: what's your history relationship with the movie? Easy? Um, it's
Speaker 1: hard to say. You know, I don't like remember the
Speaker 1: first time I saw it. Um. I know we had
Speaker 1: it on DVD, and I remember it was a movie
Speaker 1: that like my sister and I watched over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. Um, both because we liked it,
Speaker 1: but also because it was like one of the last
Speaker 1: DVDs that we bought that we had, you know that,
Speaker 1: Like it was right at the kind of the end
Speaker 1: of like buying dv shots. And I just I remembered
Speaker 1: really really relating to Emma Stone in it like a lot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So that's kind of like been my relationship
Speaker 1: with it. It's been a movie that I've revisited a lot.
Speaker 1: I would say, since it came out, Jamie, what about you.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing this movie in theaters. It came out
Speaker 1: when I was like like my senior year in high school. Um,
Speaker 1: and so I went to see it with all my
Speaker 1: friends and we were, I don't know, like we loved it.
Speaker 1: We were really hyped on Emma Stone, and I think
Speaker 1: in some ways like it. It felt like pretty different
Speaker 1: to most of the team comedies that you see. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really liked it. I've seen it
Speaker 1: maybe four or five times before this, but never was
Speaker 1: thinking about it as hard as I was this past time.
Speaker 1: And I think that this is like one of my
Speaker 1: favorite Stanley Tucci roles, Oh my goodness, and Patricia Clark said,
Speaker 1: is great. That's the mother right, Yeah, she's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I and I forgot Ali. This is really the most
Speaker 1: two thousand ten movie of all time. Ali Michalka of
Speaker 1: Ali and the dental break up song. Okay, wait to
Speaker 1: church Church something like that. It's really good. Do they
Speaker 1: just released a song that I heard and I had
Speaker 1: no idea with them and it's actually incredible. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Wait what character does she plays? She plays Rhiannon. Oh yeah, yeah, goodness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it is the most two thousand time movie of
Speaker 1: all time and uh for that, I have no choice,
Speaker 1: but too, I mean class at two dozen tend gettle
Speaker 1: of it. My goodness, what's your history? I saw it.
Speaker 1: It came out when I was I guess, like probably
Speaker 1: twenty four, and I wasn't necessarily like the target demo,
Speaker 1: having aged out of being a teenager brag, But um,
Speaker 1: I liked it. I remember thinking like, the jokes were
Speaker 1: pretty funny, the dialogue was like quippy, and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: But I think I only had seen it that one time,
Speaker 1: and then revisiting it this time, I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you you tried to do something and then you only
Speaker 1: got part of the way there, and then he made
Speaker 1: a bunch of missteps movie. So I'm excited to talk
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm psycked. Um should I just
Speaker 1: dive into the recap? Yeah? Okay and easy. You can
Speaker 1: inter at the recap whenever you want. It's the best part,
Speaker 1: every word. I have a lot to say. So the
Speaker 1: story is told partly via Army Characters video blog or
Speaker 1: vlog is the kids are calling it these days. I
Speaker 1: love how prototypical it is in this movie, where there
Speaker 1: she's like, you have to go to free alive dot com.
Speaker 1: There's a live stream happening there. It won't be saved
Speaker 1: six pm sharp. It was so it was great. And
Speaker 1: what she's doing in this vlog is recounting the events
Speaker 1: of the movie. So we meet all of Pendergast. That's
Speaker 1: m A. Stone's character. She starts out, your average invisible
Speaker 1: teen girl about to graduate from high school in she's
Speaker 1: not like the other girls. She's not like the girls.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, and OHI, yes, California. Ever heard of it? Um?
Speaker 1: Probably not. That's a weird place I've never been. If
Speaker 1: you don't feel like my writing partners from OHI, and
Speaker 1: it's like very like mine and and all you OHI
Speaker 1: heads dive into my mentions if I'm getting is completely wrong.
Speaker 1: But there's a huge class disparity where it's like the
Speaker 1: surfer class and then just insanely wealthy people. Just so
Speaker 1: that there's and there's a lot of camps there. Oh sure.
Speaker 1: It's like on the edge of like a huge national park,
Speaker 1: I think park. It's a weird, fun place. My writing
Speaker 1: partner's dad is in a surf cult in OHI. Oh
Speaker 1: that's the guy who's in a surf called the Barbecue Surfers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember this from our point breakup star. Oh yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll shut up about the barbecue surfers. We've rehashed this before.
Speaker 1: That was quite all right. So they're in Ohai, California,
Speaker 1: and Olive, yeah, she's, you know, not like the other girl.
Speaker 1: She's invisible, and to avoid going camping with her best
Speaker 1: friend Rhiannon and her weird family, she lies and says
Speaker 1: that she has a date that weekend with this guy
Speaker 1: named George, who we know she just made up um
Speaker 1: and Rhannon becomes convinced that all of lost her for
Speaker 1: ginity with this guy, but she instead she was doing
Speaker 1: that really funny Natasha Beddingfield. But I've got a pucket
Speaker 1: full of sensions. I still love at it playing it
Speaker 1: from a greeting cars, so funny, great montage. Emma Stone
Speaker 1: is really good. I like, I fluctuate on her so much,
Speaker 1: but she's amazing in this movie I tend to agree with.
Speaker 1: And so Rhannon thinks this about Alive and for some reason,
Speaker 1: all of for reasons that she says she doesn't even understand.
Speaker 1: She's like, yes, that did happen. I did have sex
Speaker 1: with him, which is overheard in the bathroom by Mary
Speaker 1: Ann Bryant. That's the Amanda Bind's character she's like the
Speaker 1: like holier than now religious extremists, like goody two shoes type.
Speaker 1: She's very like oppressively religious stereotype. And she starts spreading
Speaker 1: rumors all over school about all of having sex. And
Speaker 1: then suddenly everyone is paying attention to Olive because they
Speaker 1: think that she has sex, and she tries to tell
Speaker 1: Marian that she was just lying about having done that,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work. But also, like Olive admits that
Speaker 1: she's like kind of enjoying the attention she's getting for
Speaker 1: the first time because before this she was invisible. And
Speaker 1: then during an English class discussion about the Scarlet Letter,
Speaker 1: Marian Thomas Hayden Church cool guy teacher. Yeah, the adults
Speaker 1: in this movie are maybe too cool, but we can
Speaker 1: talk about that later. Yeah, unrealistic adult portrayal, because as
Speaker 1: an adult right now, I am extremely uncool. I've never
Speaker 1: I Also, there were a few times, I mean, and
Speaker 1: it's like a teen movie, so it's like who cares,
Speaker 1: But there were a few times where Thomas Hayden Church
Speaker 1: was doing something dorky that was being very well received
Speaker 1: in class, Like you would have been annihilate at Brockton
Speaker 1: High School, Sir. He was like, let me wrap about
Speaker 1: Jess kids and guys, I'm like, you would have been
Speaker 1: on the floor, have been just People won't stand for that.
Speaker 1: Teens will not stand for teachers wrapping. They won't um.
Speaker 1: So then in during class, Marian's friend calls all of
Speaker 1: a skank, and all of response by calling her a twat,
Speaker 1: and it gets her sent to the principal's office. And
Speaker 1: then she gets detention with this kid, Brandon, who is
Speaker 1: being bullied for being gay, and then they talk about
Speaker 1: the idea of like standing out and blending in, and
Speaker 1: based on an idea that all of gives him, Brandon
Speaker 1: decides to pretend to be straight at least until like
Speaker 1: they all graduate and leave this town. And he convinces
Speaker 1: her to help him make people think that the two
Speaker 1: of them have sex, and she's like, okay, fine, there's
Speaker 1: a party tomorrow night. Let's go and pretend to have
Speaker 1: sex at this party. And then like everyone will overhear
Speaker 1: and they'll think you're a stud, and they do just that.
Speaker 1: Another funny scene jumping on the bed and screaming. Right,
Speaker 1: the premises flawed, but the scene in the payoff is funny,
Speaker 1: And then afterwards everyone does think that Brandon is a stud.
Speaker 1: But then they're looking at Olive and they're like except
Speaker 1: for Todd the pen Badgely he's not like the other boys.
Speaker 1: He's the Mascot's the mascot. She's had a crash on
Speaker 1: him since she was in eighth grade. They almost kissed
Speaker 1: back then, but then they didn't because he wasn't ready
Speaker 1: to kiss yet. And they're friendly and they chat and
Speaker 1: then also maybe he even likes her question mark pen bag.
Speaker 1: Really he was on Gossip Girl, right, I never watched that.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I think he was Okay, I
Speaker 1: think so, which is funny because they she references that
Speaker 1: show in this movie. Do you think pens in the
Speaker 1: audience like Hollywood's crazy? I do think that he's like
Speaker 1: that all the time. So then she receives a gift
Speaker 1: card from Brandon, which one does. She I was trying
Speaker 1: to keep track of who gives her what gift card
Speaker 1: because that target compelling to me? Okay, targeting hundred dollar
Speaker 1: I think target gift card. And he gives her a vibrator, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he vibrator, which is good looking out sure in high
Speaker 1: school though, like I don't believe that, right, is there
Speaker 1: a sex shop in OHI or did he have to
Speaker 1: drive down to Los Angeles their seniors in high school? Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't have they are because she gets the Natasha
Speaker 1: Beddingfield card that she gets is a graduation card. It's
Speaker 1: like congratulations yeah from her grandma. It right. So she
Speaker 1: hears from Rhiannon that everyone thinks that all of is
Speaker 1: a dirty skank, and then they're getting a big fight
Speaker 1: about it, and then all of decides to double down
Speaker 1: on this quote dirty skank image. So there's a sewing
Speaker 1: montage because women be sewing. And then she shows up
Speaker 1: to school in this very sultry outfit with a big
Speaker 1: red as onto her tongue or like what a dork
Speaker 1: just making a literary reference in her outfit. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then she gets approached by this kid, Evan, who knows
Speaker 1: the truth about what happened with Brandon, and he offers
Speaker 1: all of another hundred dollar gift card to also spread
Speaker 1: rumors about them doing sex stuff, and it turns out
Speaker 1: to be from auto Zone. I think it's later confirmed.
Speaker 1: He offers her a different one, but then when she
Speaker 1: confronts him later about it, she's like, it was from
Speaker 1: Autozon and I don't even have a car, like if
Speaker 1: cards are funny because they were all like there was
Speaker 1: like the home depot, there was auto zone. It's like
Speaker 1: you're like, what is in this? For one was like
Speaker 1: a bed bath then beyond cupan yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Not a great negotiator, and she eventually agrees to this,
Speaker 1: and then she starts doing it for several other boys
Speaker 1: in her school as well, and then the rumor that
Speaker 1: all of solicits sex for money also starts spreading rapidly
Speaker 1: throughout the school. And then things take a turn when
Speaker 1: she learns that one of her classmates, Mica, which is
Speaker 1: Maryanne Bryant's boyfriend, got claimidia from the guidance counselor Mrs
Speaker 1: Griffith Lisa Trudre Thomas Hayden Churches his wife, and all
Speaker 1: of agrees to take the fall for it, saying that
Speaker 1: she's the one who gave Mica clamidia so that Mrs
Speaker 1: Griffith doesn't get fired for having sex with a student.
Speaker 1: And then people are protesting all of led by Marian Bryant,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to get her expelled. Ran And joins
Speaker 1: in for some reason, Yes, that absolutely, it's because Olive
Speaker 1: goes on the date with the guy that she likes.
Speaker 1: But I think she turns on her way before that though,
Speaker 1: why But I feel like she joins the Amanda bindsafter
Speaker 1: on that. I think that makes sense. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: meanwhile Todd the Woodchuck boy Penn Badgeley, yes is uh.
Speaker 1: He keeps popping up And then she's trying to figure
Speaker 1: out if she should come clean about everything. And then
Speaker 1: this guy Anson asks her out on a date and
Speaker 1: it turns out that he just went out with her
Speaker 1: so that he could say that they had sex, and
Speaker 1: he tries to give her the two home Depot gift card,
Speaker 1: and then he tries to kiss her. She has to
Speaker 1: fight him off. And then Todd shows up right then
Speaker 1: and he gives her a ride home and he's like,
Speaker 1: I think you're great and maybe I can, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, help you out with this whole thing. And
Speaker 1: because all the guys that she had helped previously refused
Speaker 1: to come clean about the whole situation, she decides to
Speaker 1: do this vlog that we've been watching to tell her
Speaker 1: side of the story, which she prefaces by performing a
Speaker 1: musical number at a school pepper rally. Because I guess
Speaker 1: she wishes that her life was Ferris Spieler's day off.
Speaker 1: One of the more annoying aspects of the movie for me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I do like in retrospect, like watching that scene
Speaker 1: like almost ten years later and being like, oh, for
Speaker 1: sure that Like everyone on set was like, the scene
Speaker 1: is going to be iconic, and I did not remember
Speaker 1: it had not remembered. Every time, I'm like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: This is going to be in a montage at the
Speaker 1: oscar It's like, and then she rides off with Todd
Speaker 1: on a lawnmower and then they kiss, and then that's
Speaker 1: the end of the movie. At the end of the
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Speaker 1: a lot Well, I here's my initial thoughts. Right, So
Speaker 1: the movie, thank you so much, thank you for giving
Speaker 1: me this platform. I'm reclaiming my time. Thank you. Um.
Speaker 1: This movie does some things right which are progressive and feminist,
Speaker 1: and then it does a lot of things that are
Speaker 1: very wrong because one of the themes of the movie,
Speaker 1: it's like the core message, let's say, is the double
Speaker 1: standard of sexually active men being considered studs and sexually
Speaker 1: active women being considered sluts. In the movie draws attention
Speaker 1: to that, calls it out, and we're like, whoa, yeah,
Speaker 1: But the movie only goes so far with that message
Speaker 1: because it ends up like demonizing the idea of women
Speaker 1: having a lot of sex and having multiple sexual partners
Speaker 1: through various lines of dialogue and different attitudes that characters have, etcetera.
Speaker 1: My main thing with this movie that well, there was
Speaker 1: first of all, like, in most respects, like I thought,
Speaker 1: especially when I first saw the movie, I thought Emiston's
Speaker 1: character was like the fucking coolest person the world. I
Speaker 1: was like, I wish I were more like this character.
Speaker 1: She was so cool. But most of the other women
Speaker 1: outside of her mom, who is like, I feel like
Speaker 1: pretty positive and supportive, but like all the other female
Speaker 1: characters in this story are like vicious and trophy in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and you get some shades of gray,
Speaker 1: like with you get a little bit with the Rhiannon character.
Speaker 1: You don't really get that much with the Marianne character.
Speaker 1: But it's it's like this weird. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just felt a little off to me the way that
Speaker 1: she is basically like, it seems like the movie has
Speaker 1: decided like, well, women will turn on each other and
Speaker 1: call each other sleds and this is the main problem,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And whereas I feel like
Speaker 1: kind of the guys end up looking a little more
Speaker 1: goofy rather than very much a part of it. And
Speaker 1: even the mom is kind of like sled Shaney, Like
Speaker 1: when they have that conversation on the car, her mom
Speaker 1: is like, you know, I used to sleep with a
Speaker 1: ton of people and it was because I had really
Speaker 1: low self esteem and then I met your dad and
Speaker 1: now I'm like fine. And so even her mom, like
Speaker 1: as supportive as she is, she's still slut shaming. So yeah,
Speaker 1: every it's like every female I mean, everyone in this
Speaker 1: movie is slut shaming, and that's part of the point,
Speaker 1: but it just seems like the female characters, especially at
Speaker 1: that high school, were so incredibly vicious. The Lisa Kudra
Speaker 1: character is totally sold out and like literally is called
Speaker 1: like an evil person. And I think that this movie
Speaker 1: wouldn't have treated its main character the same way if
Speaker 1: she had had sex, Like the that's what I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: like there's no I feel like the implication is, well,
Speaker 1: she's a redeemable Like I like the end message of
Speaker 1: the movie, like no matter what, it's no one's fucking business.
Speaker 1: But that's not really what the movie was saying the
Speaker 1: whole time, because because she was a virgin the whole time,
Speaker 1: you don't need to really question what you're supposed to be, right.
Speaker 1: I think if that character was actually having a lot
Speaker 1: of sex with multiple partners, I don't think that is
Speaker 1: not what happened in the movie, because I think the
Speaker 1: movie really comes down against that type of behavior. For example,
Speaker 1: so the romantic storyline with Todd, which there's parts of
Speaker 1: it I like in parts of it, I don't like.
Speaker 1: The part that I don't like is when they're like
Speaker 1: in the car he's giving her a ride home, and
Speaker 1: she's like, well, haven't you heard all these rumors about me?
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, I've heard them, but I don't
Speaker 1: believe them, which implies that he still likes her because
Speaker 1: he doesn't think she's been sleeping with a bunch of
Speaker 1: different people, implying that if he thought she was sleeping
Speaker 1: with a bunch of different people, he would not like her. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like all this and it's weird because I definitely
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I definitely did not pick up
Speaker 1: on this when I first watched. But he's like, it's
Speaker 1: all these little exchanges and lines that the subtext is like, well,
Speaker 1: because this is a lie, that's the only reason this
Speaker 1: is okay, and she were telling the truth, she's irredeemable
Speaker 1: and bad. And then you know, so even at the end,
Speaker 1: she says that line where when she's on her vlog
Speaker 1: dot com and she's like, you know how shitty it
Speaker 1: feels to be an outcast warranted or not? And you're like,
Speaker 1: what is the warranted or I didn't even catch that.
Speaker 1: It's just like a little line that you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I like, that's the values of this movie aren't really
Speaker 1: what they're advertising. And then a few other lines like
Speaker 1: the one that you said Lisa about like her mom
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, I slept around because I had no
Speaker 1: self worth, and then like Lisa kudrow House a line
Speaker 1: that says, my god, character disaster, where is it? It's
Speaker 1: something like, oh, it's real horror. Can't admit it to herself,
Speaker 1: trust me? Yeah. Well, the what's confusing is that there
Speaker 1: are some characters who are slut shaming, and they're framed
Speaker 1: as being bad and wrong, like the Amanda Bind's character
Speaker 1: and like her whole friend group. But then the movie
Speaker 1: turns around owned and then like I interpreted that to
Speaker 1: be like again, it's just like a this movie was
Speaker 1: written by a queer writer, but a queer male writer
Speaker 1: who I guess like he went on, you know, he
Speaker 1: did interviews around this movie and said that the character
Speaker 1: Brandon was based on his experience in high school closet. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: it does give you some good subtext, but it does.
Speaker 1: It does seem like the like decision being made by
Speaker 1: like the writer, director, whomever else is that teen girls
Speaker 1: are so fickle and we'll turn on you for absolutely
Speaker 1: no reason, and we'll one eight, And I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you almost see that in Rhiannon's character. At the beginning,
Speaker 1: she's like, you have to be a slut. And then
Speaker 1: when Emma Stones's character is like okay, and then she's
Speaker 1: like I hate you, You're horrible, Like yeah, it's like not,
Speaker 1: it's hard to trace her logic, Like she starts. Rhiannon
Speaker 1: starts out by talking openly about sex. She like screams
Speaker 1: the word climax and of their teacher, like she's so
Speaker 1: excited when she thinks that all of has had sex
Speaker 1: for the first time, she's like, oh, you've joined the
Speaker 1: super slut club with me. And then as soon as
Speaker 1: all of starts to get this reputation for reasons that
Speaker 1: I don't understand, she's like, well, everyone thinks you're a
Speaker 1: dirty skank, and so do I. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: which is it, Like are you excited about like your
Speaker 1: friend's sexuality or And then I think what happened. It's
Speaker 1: like the writer needed to like heighten the conflict for
Speaker 1: all of So it's like, let's put her in conflict
Speaker 1: with her best friend. How do I do that make
Speaker 1: her completely change everything about the character that I've established,
Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't. But see, I for me disagree
Speaker 1: a little bit because I think my experience in high
Speaker 1: school was actually I knew girls that were very similar
Speaker 1: to that, and I think, maybe to give the writer
Speaker 1: too much credit, but I almost feel like it's pointing
Speaker 1: a finger at the fact that this kind of like
Speaker 1: the toxic ideas that we hold around owned virginity and
Speaker 1: chastity with women kind of necessarily pit women against each other,
Speaker 1: and this almost like who's a virgin, who's not a virgin,
Speaker 1: who's sluttier, who's not sluttier? And like I remember there
Speaker 1: was a girl in my high school who like used
Speaker 1: to lord her virginity over other people, but then it
Speaker 1: which it turned out that she was like having anal
Speaker 1: sex the whole time, but like her virginity was intact,
Speaker 1: and so it was like always this and then as
Speaker 1: soon as people found that out, then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden she was slutty and horrible, and then others were good.
Speaker 1: And like even girls I knew who were like really
Speaker 1: proud of being, you know, slutty, there was always like
Speaker 1: like a limit and then if you went past that limit,
Speaker 1: then you were bad. And I feel like this like
Speaker 1: hierarchy of sluttery actually is really at least two to
Speaker 1: my high school experience. I don't know if it's too think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a bit of that in my high school as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I feel like maybe Rhiannon is like comfortable with
Speaker 1: like up to a certain point. Sure it doesn't because
Speaker 1: she does and then she does. She does celebrate it
Speaker 1: until the point where like Emma Stone stops telling her
Speaker 1: about it. That's true, and she's like a betrayal best friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she and then when it gets to be
Speaker 1: her crush, it's I mean, honestly, I would join the
Speaker 1: picket line as well. She don't grun a day with
Speaker 1: your best friend's crush, it's the rule. No. And it's
Speaker 1: super weird that Emma Stone only gets upset that they
Speaker 1: might get seen. She's like, I don't want them to
Speaker 1: I don't want her to see us, But it's like
Speaker 1: you still went see I still I would argue I
Speaker 1: wish that we knew more about Rhannon in general, because
Speaker 1: I agree that you're saying, and I think that like
Speaker 1: that is like an interesting thing to explore, but it's
Speaker 1: but we don't really know that much about her, So
Speaker 1: it was like hard for me to glean, like we
Speaker 1: don't really know much about like what her sexual history is,
Speaker 1: because I feel like this whole movie is kind of
Speaker 1: hinged around, like you know, exaggeration of what your sexual
Speaker 1: experiences for social acceptance, cloud whatever, and we don't really
Speaker 1: know if Rhannon is, you know, telling the truth, is
Speaker 1: she exaggerating? We don't really know. Yeah, that's true. She's
Speaker 1: not given a lot of backstory, no, which is a bummer.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's there's space for that. And from
Speaker 1: the very beginning, I was like, Ama Stone is not
Speaker 1: a freakod friend to her because she's just like she
Speaker 1: she lies about well, I mean, she she lies to
Speaker 1: get out of that trip. And then yeah, I I
Speaker 1: don't know Ema Stone. At times I understood her motivations
Speaker 1: and other times I was like, you're just like fucking
Speaker 1: yourself over. I think they're both not good friends to
Speaker 1: each other. That's true. Yeah, that's really true, which is
Speaker 1: a lot of high school friendships like that. Tracks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although they're supposed to be like best friends, I feel
Speaker 1: like like how they're yea since like forever right unless
Speaker 1: her desktop image, that's like serious friendship. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I think this is pretty standard for like teen movies,
Speaker 1: but I don't think the complications that come with many
Speaker 1: teen best friendships, like the portrayal of it in this
Speaker 1: movie and in most teen movies, it's not very nuanced. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's like it was clear to me just
Speaker 1: like based on how their friendship was right, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think a woman wrote this movie,
Speaker 1: and then I checked it, like, no they did not,
Speaker 1: because there is there are like it feels like some
Speaker 1: kernels of like authenticity, and I like to see like,
Speaker 1: you know, female characters in conflict with each other and
Speaker 1: like both kind of being assholes in different ways. Like
Speaker 1: that's great, but it just sometimes it was a little
Speaker 1: bit uncanny valley to track in this one. For sure.
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch a little bit more on the
Speaker 1: romantic storyline with all of and Todd and badly. Yes,
Speaker 1: I kept forgetting he was in the movie, and then
Speaker 1: he would show up again. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that this is you know, we care about this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also wasn't given a lot of a story, No, No,
Speaker 1: he was just kind of there, right. The little back
Speaker 1: story we do get about him is that all of
Speaker 1: him played seven minute in Heaven when they were in
Speaker 1: eighth grade. So they go into this room and he's like, oh, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to kiss yet. Could we just tell
Speaker 1: everyone that we kissed? And she's like sure. And then
Speaker 1: I liked that. You know, you see like a young
Speaker 1: boy who's not ready to kiss, because there's like so
Speaker 1: much pressure on boys starting at a very young age
Speaker 1: to like be sexually active and to like start as
Speaker 1: soon as possible. So I was like, oh, that's that's nice,
Speaker 1: because like the idea of like a boy not being
Speaker 1: ready yet, there's an idea that there's no such thing
Speaker 1: is that? And of course there's so and it's very damaging.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I like that moment. I like that the
Speaker 1: little boy was able to be not ready for something
Speaker 1: and that was like treated very respectfully. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like an emasculation thing. It was like yeah. And then
Speaker 1: so like all of goes on that date with Anson,
Speaker 1: he tries to surprise kiss her several times. That's framed
Speaker 1: as being wrong, unwanted, assaulty. In the contrast, she gets
Speaker 1: in the car with Todd and he's been framed as
Speaker 1: being this viable romantic option for Olive Chuck Todd Chuck
Speaker 1: Todd and then he asks permission to kiss her. She
Speaker 1: says no, and then he's like visibly disappointed, but then
Speaker 1: he apologizes. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I just mean like I don't want to kiss you
Speaker 1: right now, but I do want to french you some
Speaker 1: other time. So just the fact that we see like
Speaker 1: a boy asking for permission to kiss a woman appreciate
Speaker 1: taking the no. Yeah, he didn't really push it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was like, oh cool, that was a yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked that scene too. But then there's like that
Speaker 1: we're I mean, it's just such a mixed bag, that
Speaker 1: very mixed where he's like, well, I want to kiss
Speaker 1: you because you because you because you're in text. He
Speaker 1: asks that, she's like why are you interested in me
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and then he's given this line
Speaker 1: which is just kind of a non answer. He's like
Speaker 1: I don't know, and we're like, do you, because like,
Speaker 1: you know, she's been around this whole time, but all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you're in love with I guess.
Speaker 1: But don't we see her like kind of trying to
Speaker 1: talk to her before like the rumors start. Does that happen.
Speaker 1: I can't totally remember they we see them like we
Speaker 1: see like they're kind of flirty. Yeah, yeah, they have
Speaker 1: like they have like a moment, I guess, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he does like explicitly stayed like, oh well I don't
Speaker 1: believe those rumors, which is why I still have a
Speaker 1: crush on your right, yeah, which is gosh, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. And and there, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is sort of this like hearkens back to like
Speaker 1: I feel like a million episodes we've done at this point.
Speaker 1: But the whole like obsession with eighties movies I've found
Speaker 1: so annoying. They're just like a montage of movies that
Speaker 1: we've already fucking Like, what is the dog that gets shot?
Speaker 1: It's not Lassie old Yeller, old Yeller. Yeah, we've already
Speaker 1: old yellow these movies and Emma Stones out here, Like
Speaker 1: I just wish there were more Judd Nells that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was, like I love John Hughes. Was then it
Speaker 1: literally ends with the sisso of them together. The whole
Speaker 1: thing a lot out of me. That part she likes
Speaker 1: sites these very problematic like rape movies like sixteen Candles
Speaker 1: and Breakfast club and it's like, oh, this is what
Speaker 1: you're aspiring too well, which is again, I mean it's
Speaker 1: very two. And it's also like another kind of like
Speaker 1: little missed opportunity for like it's not even it's like
Speaker 1: not uncommon for people to be like, oh, I wish
Speaker 1: my life were like this movie that happened before I
Speaker 1: was born. But then it just doesn't challenge your examine
Speaker 1: anything of like oh maybe that shouldn't be what and
Speaker 1: then she just gets it. But I feel like often
Speaker 1: that's all we remember about those movies, right, It's like
Speaker 1: you just remember like the iconic moment where you're like
Speaker 1: overcome with love and emotion and you're like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: so beautiful, and then you go back and actually watch
Speaker 1: it and you're like, oh, wait, disaster. So that I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: in general, the there are parts of the Olive Todd Romantics.
Speaker 1: It was it's not the worst teen comedy relationship by
Speaker 1: a long shot. Or there's definitely room for improvement. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's that's this whole movie. For me.
Speaker 1: It's like we are on the right track. I can
Speaker 1: I can feel it doesn't quite go the whole way.
Speaker 1: Can we talking about the Lisa Kujar character that was
Speaker 1: so and it did remind me a lot of like
Speaker 1: a very similar storyline and failing of the Jessica Williams
Speaker 1: character in Book Smart this year, where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they want to have I think something that would have
Speaker 1: been done in the eighties without making it clear what
Speaker 1: the age you know, content is. But they're just trying
Speaker 1: to update that, you know, like Trophy story line of
Speaker 1: like the teacher and the student hooking up but they're legal,
Speaker 1: so it's okay, but it's still not good and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lisa Kutro is made out to be such an evil
Speaker 1: shrew from moment one, like it just it sucked, right.
Speaker 1: She's like, the first thing we hear her say, I
Speaker 1: think is, um, I'm the guidance counselor. I should know
Speaker 1: who all my students are, especially the ones who dressed
Speaker 1: like prostitutes, and I'm supposed to be like and then
Speaker 1: she just kind of like shoves condoms at her. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm always here to support you and listen to you.
Speaker 1: And then but and Emma Stone is legitimately trying to
Speaker 1: talk to her, and she's like, I want to tell
Speaker 1: you what's going on? Because it's terrible and I'm really upset,
Speaker 1: and she's just kind of like, here, take the condoms,
Speaker 1: get out of my office, right. And then there's that
Speaker 1: scene their last scene together, which is like so egregious
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I hope Lisa Kudro got paid
Speaker 1: a lot of money to say this. But that whole
Speaker 1: scene where this is during sort of the like series
Speaker 1: of scenes where Emma Stone is going back to the
Speaker 1: people she's agreed to lie for and say I can't
Speaker 1: do this anymore. So she gets Lisa Coudro, and Lisa
Speaker 1: Coudro is like, who are people going to believe? They're
Speaker 1: not gonna believe you, They're gonna believe me that. You're like,
Speaker 1: oh right, boy, this is so yeah. That was like
Speaker 1: a brutal just I mean, there's really nothing to sell
Speaker 1: out with this character because she's presented as unsympathetic like it.
Speaker 1: I like, that's like the best example in this movie
Speaker 1: of how the movie really feels about women having sex.
Speaker 1: Is they like and then her husband is like perfect exactly,
Speaker 1: he does nothing wrong. He's like the students love him,
Speaker 1: everyone loves him. He's devastated she, like Emmas don't apologizes
Speaker 1: to him on her web. That's what really especially join
Speaker 1: me crazy about this too, is that like all of
Speaker 1: takes responsibility for being a home wrecker, and she's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I shouldn't have told it. I feel I
Speaker 1: regret telling him, and it's like, you didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: like it was these two other parties of Mrs Griffith
Speaker 1: and then this Mica kid who ruined that marriage, not you,
Speaker 1: and the Mica character by extension too, it was like
Speaker 1: even there was like a little something in that character
Speaker 1: we barely see. But the only reason that he, you know, says,
Speaker 1: oh I had sex with all of Pendergast and she
Speaker 1: gave me chlamydia was because his like shrewy mom character
Speaker 1: was like tell me what happened. She was literally hitting
Speaker 1: him in the hospital. Yeah, like in his hospital bed.
Speaker 1: So like even that like little moment finds a way
Speaker 1: to like push the blame off on a female character
Speaker 1: we barely know, Like he wouldn't have just done it
Speaker 1: his mom was whacking him at the hospital and then yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's just like all these little you're just like, ah,
Speaker 1: come on, we and I don't know, and just the
Speaker 1: I don't know it was it made clear I was
Speaker 1: having trouble figuring out was it implied that Lisa Kudro's
Speaker 1: character had given Mica clamidia? What was Yes, I believe
Speaker 1: that is. I think that's what Olive said when she
Speaker 1: like yelled it at the teacher. She was like, your
Speaker 1: wife gave a student clamydia. And then also the like
Speaker 1: a kid when he's like talking on the phone to
Speaker 1: the person who we don't know who it is yet
Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't care that you gave me chlamydia.
Speaker 1: I still love you. And then it cuts to Lisa Kudro,
Speaker 1: which is just a total fumble of like handling a
Speaker 1: storyline with a character who has uh sexually transmitted disease.
Speaker 1: It like plays it off as a joke, and it
Speaker 1: also serves to make Lusa Kudrow's character I think the
Speaker 1: movie intends to like by giving her clamdia. That's like
Speaker 1: a slut shamy like things that the movie is doing
Speaker 1: because because she wants to make her less sympathetic, right
Speaker 1: because she she didn't get it from Micah. Mica got
Speaker 1: it from her. As far as we understand, she might
Speaker 1: have gotten it from her husband, Mr Griffith, the person
Speaker 1: that we all are supposed to love, right, but I
Speaker 1: probably think it so I guess she got it from
Speaker 1: someone else. Yeah, so it's like you get punished for
Speaker 1: being for having multiple sexual partners. Yeah. It also bothered
Speaker 1: me how like later, like Michael was exiled to like
Speaker 1: his grandparents house in Florida or whatever, and he's still
Speaker 1: like scratching his crotch like like as if chlamydia you
Speaker 1: can't just get rid of it during forever. He's now
Speaker 1: tarnished and it's gross, And I was just like, that's
Speaker 1: not It's just like it's like the writer either was
Speaker 1: making a joke of it or had just not even
Speaker 1: done a light google of like what that which sucks
Speaker 1: because it's like st D S, S, T I S,
Speaker 1: whichever are like so stigmatized and played as a like
Speaker 1: thoughtless joke in so many I think in like this
Speaker 1: genre is like probably one of the more casual offenders
Speaker 1: of just like playing it off and and it you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not helpful to anyone he gets. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you if you have chlamydia, you don't have to
Speaker 1: move to Florida. That's just what I want everyone to know.
Speaker 1: Just like it's okay you can't get an anibiotic and
Speaker 1: you're really just move on with your life a miracle.
Speaker 1: We got to take another quick break, but then we'll
Speaker 1: come right back. Can we talk about man, wow, Jamie
Speaker 1: Not to get controversial on the pod, yes, please go on.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about how boys
Speaker 1: or men. I don't think they're supposed to be boys,
Speaker 1: but everyone's visibly but you know how the boys who
Speaker 1: ask all of to lie for them are portrayed in
Speaker 1: because I thought it was like something that I had
Speaker 1: to go back and like rewatch, especially that scene with
Speaker 1: the Evan where we do see at every step of
Speaker 1: the way, starting with Brandon, all of has to be convinced.
Speaker 1: I would almost throw the word coerced out there in
Speaker 1: some cases of to do it in the first place,
Speaker 1: where she starts out with the very like two thousand
Speaker 1: ten high school or thoughtless idea of like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you don't want people to make fun of you because
Speaker 1: you're gay, just tell him you're straight. You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay. But then it's like that, I mean, the
Speaker 1: writer is pulling from his own experience from that, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, uh, if that is what's happening. But
Speaker 1: then he you know, I feel like the reason that
Speaker 1: it is okay for them to do that is because
Speaker 1: they are quote unquote bullied, and so it makes it
Speaker 1: okay for them to ask this unreasonable favor of Olive.
Speaker 1: And like, I thought that the Evans seen stuck out
Speaker 1: to me the most, as you know, because he asks her,
Speaker 1: will you do this for me? She says no, fuck you,
Speaker 1: and then he says, yeah, I mean, of course you're
Speaker 1: saying no, I'm such a loser. Before before he says,
Speaker 1: I'll pay you a hundred dollars. Also, I don't need
Speaker 1: your permission here, which means like, I'm going to take
Speaker 1: advantage of your reputation and exploit it from my own
Speaker 1: personal gain, and I'm going to do it whether you
Speaker 1: like it or not. And she's furious with him, rightfully so.
Speaker 1: And then he does the one guilds her and says,
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, he calls himself a fat piece
Speaker 1: of ship, and then she takes pity on him, and
Speaker 1: then she and I feel like the movie, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: well of course she would, you know, Like it's just
Speaker 1: she has every right to be like, no, like, sort
Speaker 1: this out on your own right, go you know, go
Speaker 1: talk to Lisa Kudrow, I don't know, like and then
Speaker 1: just you know, telling them. But but she's kind of
Speaker 1: repeatedly guilted by these outcast, misfic guys, and it sort
Speaker 1: of I mean, because this movie talks so much about
Speaker 1: eighties tropes, it feels like almost a like a John
Speaker 1: Hughes Nerd character that is like an character who is
Speaker 1: like I feel entitled to this and because I can't
Speaker 1: have it, you know, you have to do this for me.
Speaker 1: That kind of like coercion narrative, which sucks because again,
Speaker 1: it's like it's a there there is the opportunity here
Speaker 1: for those themes to be like explored a little more thoughtfully.
Speaker 1: And it's the thing that always bugs me is was like,
Speaker 1: there's like it would be funnier too, if she was
Speaker 1: like pushing back on this stuff instead of just folding
Speaker 1: or like negotiating for herself. Like that's the thing that
Speaker 1: irritated me to because there's this moment where she's like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is happening, I'm just going to own
Speaker 1: it and I'll just do it. But then yeah, like
Speaker 1: we said, she's getting like cent off to the body
Speaker 1: shop and like, you know, an AutoZone gift card or
Speaker 1: whatever and like stuff that she can't actually use. And
Speaker 1: I really wanted her to like build an empire and
Speaker 1: be like, actually, you know, I want five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: to the store that actually shop at, right, because in
Speaker 1: that scene with Evan, she's like, Okay, I want a
Speaker 1: hundred dollar gift card in my locker and she says, um,
Speaker 1: but we didn't have sex. You can tell people that
Speaker 1: you like, fondled my chest And he's like, a hundred
Speaker 1: bucks is pretty steep for that. Can't you say that?
Speaker 1: Like you rubbed my pants and I touched your butt
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, And she's just like whatever, And
Speaker 1: it maybe it's commentary on how like girls and women
Speaker 1: are never taught to negotiate. Who knows, it's probably not
Speaker 1: as well. That then kind of brings up the conversation
Speaker 1: of sex work and is this character could she be
Speaker 1: considered a sex worker? Yeah? I mean I think so,
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of sex work doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be literal sex, and a lot of it is
Speaker 1: not a lot of it isn't, and a lot of
Speaker 1: it is like caretaking and even helping with image and
Speaker 1: with public persona and all of that is a huge
Speaker 1: element of sex work. So I think, yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 1: sex work in this movie. I would say for sure.
Speaker 1: But then the movie also like shames sex work and
Speaker 1: sex workers at different points. Yeah, like it calls her
Speaker 1: says she dresses like a prostitute or she looks like
Speaker 1: a stripper, but don't worry a high class strippers like
Speaker 1: for governors. I think her dad says that it disappointing.
Speaker 1: And then there's a moment where she is talking to
Speaker 1: the ants and guy and she's like, I'm not actually
Speaker 1: having sex with people for money, with like this tone
Speaker 1: of disgust in her voice. It's just like another way
Speaker 1: that this movie is trying to have it very much
Speaker 1: both ways, where they will like go all the way
Speaker 1: up to the line of like showing sex work, but
Speaker 1: they won't call it that, and they have to condemn
Speaker 1: everything else that falls under umbrella. It's only okay because
Speaker 1: she's not actually sexual, right, And yeah, it's just Oh,
Speaker 1: also she's given gift cards to retail stores because women
Speaker 1: be shopping. There's I know, I'm just think that was
Speaker 1: I was. And then like male coded stores, which they
Speaker 1: play as a oftentimes why would a woman want to
Speaker 1: go to home depot And it's like, okay, why bad joke,
Speaker 1: just bad just not yeah there, Yeah, I was. I
Speaker 1: was frustrated. I never really thought about how little she
Speaker 1: negotiates um because that's like I feel like that raises
Speaker 1: the stakes in a cooler way too, if she like
Speaker 1: has this empire and there's more for her to lose
Speaker 1: as opposed to she's just taking whatever is offered and
Speaker 1: it's all you know, reputation game. Yeah, and I feel
Speaker 1: like the fact that she doesn't really get anything that
Speaker 1: she wants out of it just kind of doubles down
Speaker 1: on the idea that you know, like she owes someone something,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just it's you know. The moment
Speaker 1: I did like was when she pays when she goes
Speaker 1: on the date with Anson before he turns on her,
Speaker 1: and she just pays for it with one of the
Speaker 1: gift cards. I thought that was a cool moment where
Speaker 1: like a lot of those movies at that time, like
Speaker 1: you know, see women paying for dates, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: without making it. She's just like, yeah, I have money now,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to just pay for this lobster din
Speaker 1: or no problem. Um, it's kind of a badass moment,
Speaker 1: just like keep the tip we're leaving because they go
Speaker 1: to the lobster the Lobster Shock, and then Rhiannon's there.
Speaker 1: I have to like sneak out when you run into
Speaker 1: your ex Bustia lobster shop, you know, with her parents.
Speaker 1: Also that parent drug is so corny of like we're
Speaker 1: in California, so everyone's like naked, you're eating Payotie burgers,
Speaker 1: right Like that was like a little I don't know.
Speaker 1: But then I texted Michaela, who's from oh Hi, about
Speaker 1: that scene and she was like, oh, that was the
Speaker 1: only part that I thought they got right about. She
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, but you know, we don't we
Speaker 1: all oh Hi heads way and did you feel like
Speaker 1: that was good? Oh Hi visibility? Let us know. But
Speaker 1: another like set of parents or adults in this movie
Speaker 1: here were like just like so freaking cool, right because
Speaker 1: man is as much as I love the Tooch and
Speaker 1: he is the best part of every movie he's in.
Speaker 1: But like the like her parents are, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's everyone's just it's like they're like so much of this.
Speaker 1: You can tell that the writer of this movie has
Speaker 1: watched a lot of Gilmore Girls based on how this
Speaker 1: movie is written, which I love, but I feel like
Speaker 1: they go the Gilmore Girls style of parenting too, to
Speaker 1: the point where it seems like at some points it's
Speaker 1: like your daughter is like having a tough time and
Speaker 1: you just keep like poking your head and your room
Speaker 1: being like hey, uh, don't worry by and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is right right right that, And then a lot
Speaker 1: of the conversations are like her parents making fun of
Speaker 1: her for having a gay boyfriend and she like that's
Speaker 1: not the thing, and they both do the I think,
Speaker 1: like the casual they both are like, oh, I was
Speaker 1: gay for a couple of weeks in college, like that
Speaker 1: very two thousand thoughtless joke. I mean, the way queerness
Speaker 1: is presented in general was peculiar, let's say, um, And
Speaker 1: it is helpful to know the context of the writer
Speaker 1: being a gay man who who is like pulling from
Speaker 1: his personal experience and that's part of like what inspired
Speaker 1: this story that he wrote, but again it's just kind
Speaker 1: of under explored in the actual movie. And then the
Speaker 1: way they talk about it as well, like the language
Speaker 1: that gets used a lot of the times, and it
Speaker 1: never takes challenges, you know, all of us like oh,
Speaker 1: you know that Brandon kid and Rhanon's like, yeah, isn't
Speaker 1: he a homo? And they like time they say like
Speaker 1: the word homosexual with this just like hint of disdain
Speaker 1: or dismissive and then like other otherness like oh, well
Speaker 1: he's a homosexual. He's aid he's different, which I think
Speaker 1: is a very two thousand ten of their like well,
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it, but like gross,
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, like having it both ways, nos
Speaker 1: of of this like time and then yeah, the whole
Speaker 1: we already touched on this, but like the straight person
Speaker 1: encouraging a queer person to like suppress your sexuality, and
Speaker 1: then he's like, oh, hadn't thought of that? You're likely
Speaker 1: And I get like a lot of like queer young
Speaker 1: people do end up doing that to some degree, like
Speaker 1: in high school, because they're trying to you know, it's
Speaker 1: a self preservation thing. They're trying to avoid being bullied
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But and he gives this what
Speaker 1: I've out was like a fairly well done verge of
Speaker 1: tears monologue where he's talking about being tormented every day
Speaker 1: at school and you know, we can fantasize about how
Speaker 1: things will be different one day, but this is today
Speaker 1: and today sucks, and like, please help me, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. And like that wasn't that
Speaker 1: was like a that felt like a good authentic yes,
Speaker 1: yeah I thought so. Yeah, but yeah, I'm interested to
Speaker 1: hear from our queer listeners how they thought queerness in
Speaker 1: general was depicted in this movie because it just rang
Speaker 1: a little off, it was, I mean. And also the
Speaker 1: fact that Brandon kind of disappears after like when she
Speaker 1: goes back to talk to him. Oh, and then there's
Speaker 1: that very bizarre, like problematic Huckleberry Finn joke that keeps
Speaker 1: coming back that you're just like, has he read Huckleberry?
Speaker 1: Like it was, so Brandon is gone. He like he
Speaker 1: finds a boyfriend, and then does he finish high school?
Speaker 1: He seems to have run away from it, runs away
Speaker 1: from he seems okay, so he drops out and and
Speaker 1: and leaves. But it's like character, we just see him
Speaker 1: in a flash forward scene with a tasteless joke and
Speaker 1: that's the last we see you. And I think it
Speaker 1: kind of frames that whole thing is like a good thing.
Speaker 1: It's almost like, look, he ran away and is in
Speaker 1: love and everything's fine, and it's like he left his
Speaker 1: home and he's a child and this is probably really
Speaker 1: bad and like, but there's no nuance to it. It's
Speaker 1: just like it's a joke. It's just a joke. Race
Speaker 1: in general is another thing that it's not handled especially
Speaker 1: well in this movie. Um it's a very white movie. Um,
Speaker 1: most of the cast is white. The school that they
Speaker 1: go to is predominantly white. I'm not sure how diverse
Speaker 1: are like just seen in background shots at the high
Speaker 1: school is people of color? Yeah, they're treated as like tokens,
Speaker 1: props or punch lines. Basically all of has an adopted
Speaker 1: brother who was black. But that just feels like a
Speaker 1: very tokenized character with all the jokes about him being
Speaker 1: adopted to Like that felt a little bit off to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, how does it's played as like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a jovial family moment. I'm like, but how
Speaker 1: does he feel about these jokes? Right? All we know
Speaker 1: about him is that he got a B plus on
Speaker 1: his spelling test. All we find out about the whole
Speaker 1: man He doesn't want to watch the bucket List because
Speaker 1: why they still get Netflix DVDs in that household, and
Speaker 1: I was like important representation, but yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: her brother is literally just there for Stanley to g
Speaker 1: to be like, well, it's obvious he's adopted because he's
Speaker 1: not white like us, Like that is the function of
Speaker 1: that character. And then and then the way that the
Speaker 1: Huckleberry Finn the So, how is that line first presented?
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it wrong. Yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: it here because it was cringe e the first time,
Speaker 1: and then it came back and then yeah, so here's
Speaker 1: what happens. Early on in the movie, all of is
Speaker 1: talking about how, oh, the books we read in school
Speaker 1: always seem to reflect like the t and age ankst
Speaker 1: that we're going through, because she's talking about how the
Speaker 1: scarlet letter relates to what's happening with her, uh in
Speaker 1: present time. And then she's like, but the exception is
Speaker 1: Huckleberry Finn. I don't know any teenage boys who have
Speaker 1: run away with a big, hulking black guy. And then
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie, Brandon has run away
Speaker 1: from home with a black man. And then we see
Speaker 1: them together watching Huckleberry Finn on film and they're watching
Speaker 1: it like, oh, yeah, this is us, I guess, and
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so this black guy is the punch
Speaker 1: line to this stupid joke that you set up and
Speaker 1: was stupid then and it's stupid when we see it
Speaker 1: again called back to and it's just like really icky
Speaker 1: and weird. That was like a joke that you're just like,
Speaker 1: has this writer read Huckleberry Finn? It just was confusing
Speaker 1: or ever talked to a black person? Unclear? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the way that the very few non white
Speaker 1: characters are treated are literally it's only in regards to
Speaker 1: their race. Yeah, here's another example. There's an Indian kid
Speaker 1: who gives her the off the body cue pump, and
Speaker 1: then she calls him amigo, and then the voiceover kicks
Speaker 1: in and says, I knew he wasn't Latino, but for
Speaker 1: some reason, all these shady backdoor deals had me talking
Speaker 1: like Carlito. And then she calls him essay. So it's like,
Speaker 1: whoof all brown people are the same that Emma Stone
Speaker 1: right the movie? Ah, Yeah, that seems just sucks all over,
Speaker 1: very not good, very very uncomfortable. Um. Yes, race in
Speaker 1: general is um, believe it or not not handled well
Speaker 1: in a movie. What believable in furiod. Yeah. The background
Speaker 1: on the other major credit that this writer has is
Speaker 1: he wrote the do you remember like the horny Charlie
Speaker 1: Brown play Dog Sees Gone Odd? I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of people did it when I was in high
Speaker 1: school to be edgy, but it's like Charlie Brown is
Speaker 1: fucked up and he's horny. And he also wrote that
Speaker 1: point makes me uncomfortable. I'm probably underselling it and maybe
Speaker 1: it's like wonderful, but I just remember seeing it at
Speaker 1: like a drama competition and being like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: why is Charlie Brown so horny? Like he's ten? But
Speaker 1: you know that's and and then the director is Will Gluck,
Speaker 1: who also has directed Peter Rabbit and Peter Rabbit Too
Speaker 1: well good for him. And there you go. And that's
Speaker 1: the beginning, middle, and end of that incredible Yeah did
Speaker 1: you did? Did you have any other stuff you wanted to?
Speaker 1: My last thing? Yeah, it's that there's a point in
Speaker 1: the movie where all of notices that her name anagrams
Speaker 1: I love, which presents an opportunity for me to mention
Speaker 1: how Caitlin Durante anagrams to such things as Latin dancer,
Speaker 1: U T I one classic nine tip Dracula. I don't
Speaker 1: have any new ones, but I just want to These
Speaker 1: are the classics. Okay, this is hard John Hughes one, right,
Speaker 1: these are the eighties ones Lauren d Titanic. And then
Speaker 1: a newer one that I think maybe other people aren't
Speaker 1: familiar with yet is but Jamie, you know this one
Speaker 1: because we texted about it a Tan clarinet. I U
Speaker 1: D wow, I like that one. Thank you. That's really good.
Speaker 1: You have a perfect numbers. Yeah, I feel like mine
Speaker 1: would be very weird. Well, you have TSE disease, Like,
Speaker 1: what do you do with that? Let's find out. Just
Speaker 1: give me a few minutes I can. I'll work my
Speaker 1: magic for this topic. But yeah, I think that's it
Speaker 1: for me. Like the big thing with me for this
Speaker 1: movie is like, there need to be narratives that empower
Speaker 1: women's sexuality. There are almost none of them in this movie.
Speaker 1: Like starts to attempt to do that by calling attention
Speaker 1: to this double standard, but it doesn't take it far enough,
Speaker 1: and it still resorts to a lot of just slut
Speaker 1: shaming attitudes and other missteps along the way. It's weird.
Speaker 1: This is like kind of a funny movie to tackle,
Speaker 1: because I do think that it is well intentioned, but
Speaker 1: still kind of just indicates it of the time and
Speaker 1: probably of the creative team a little bit that they
Speaker 1: hadn't you know, fully worked out, because I would be
Speaker 1: very surprised if you know, they looked at this like, oh, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not shaming anyone in this. I think
Speaker 1: that that's what they thought, is that they were up
Speaker 1: prefting Team Girls. I see what they're going for, and
Speaker 1: you know it was two thousand ten. Oh. Actually, my
Speaker 1: real last thought is this, Um. I always appreciate when
Speaker 1: a teen movie does not end in like prom or
Speaker 1: some kind of like passion graduation see, which they totally
Speaker 1: could have done. They could have done. Um. Instead, it
Speaker 1: ends with the weird the vlog. Prior to that, it's
Speaker 1: that weird like big musical number at the PEP rally,
Speaker 1: and then it's her like riding off into the sunset
Speaker 1: with her new hetero boyfriend. Like I feel would rather
Speaker 1: end in graduation than as a John Hughes movie, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like, actually the way I saw it ending
Speaker 1: was that it ends with a vlog, which I actually
Speaker 1: think is really powerful. Like I think my last thought
Speaker 1: is something I think the film did well, which is
Speaker 1: the reference to the Scarlet Letter, which to be fair,
Speaker 1: I haven't read, but my understanding is that in the
Speaker 1: Scarlet Letter, you know, she's forced to wear the A
Speaker 1: because she's like a supposed adulter, and so she has
Speaker 1: to wear this A, and the A is kind of
Speaker 1: like this punishment. And then I think there's something in
Speaker 1: the way that Emma Stone decides to label herself with
Speaker 1: the A and everyone hates her for that, and I
Speaker 1: think there is a really powerful statement on like women
Speaker 1: owning their sexuality and having that not be okay that
Speaker 1: I think the movie does a good job of pointing out.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, and in a way, the vlog like
Speaker 1: kind of couching this story is like the ultimate way
Speaker 1: of Emma Stone trying to own her own narrative and
Speaker 1: take it back from all these people that have, you know,
Speaker 1: made it about themselves. And so in that way, if
Speaker 1: you see the ending of the film, I mean, it
Speaker 1: does have that little John Hughes like tacked on bit
Speaker 1: after the blog the vlog, but I think the vlog
Speaker 1: frame was actually really like a cool thing. I did
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Yeah, I really liked that and I genuinely
Speaker 1: like where the movie lands on the topic of their
Speaker 1: just like you know that ending line where she's like,
Speaker 1: I might lose my virginity today six months from now
Speaker 1: on my wedding night. It's no one's goddamn business. That's
Speaker 1: an awesome message to end on. And I just wished
Speaker 1: that everything that happened before it was before a little
Speaker 1: more consistently. But I do that's like stuff like that
Speaker 1: where you're like, this, it was really they were trying,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't it was it was not Brianna's forgives her.
Speaker 1: I think she like apologizes or although I'm Brianna has
Speaker 1: as much to apologize to there, but they're talking in
Speaker 1: there like sidekick all caps apology, I am sorry. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'll move you back into my top eight now. But
Speaker 1: well so that's a great point though, about like her
Speaker 1: like taking like she she's like, here's my version of
Speaker 1: the story, and I'm telecasting it out. She's basically making
Speaker 1: a podcast if we think about it. But she's like,
Speaker 1: I want the truth out there. I do really enjoy that.
Speaker 1: But the romantic storyline did feel a little wedged in,
Speaker 1: and I think it was like a studio I think
Speaker 1: it might have been. I didn't hate the way. I
Speaker 1: mean again, it was like it wasn't the worst teen
Speaker 1: comedy romantic shoehorns subplot of all time. But you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have to be there. It would have been
Speaker 1: more powerful if the movie just ended with her being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's my story and I'm telling it in you guys
Speaker 1: are going to college by She didn't have that line
Speaker 1: in there where she was like now that I was
Speaker 1: like seeing us such like a slut in school, like
Speaker 1: no one actually wanted to date me, which is kind
Speaker 1: of her motivation for going out with Anson. Again, it
Speaker 1: didn't really come from anywhere, so I did feel kind
Speaker 1: of shoved in there, But I did think that was
Speaker 1: like an interesting point of just like how even perceived
Speaker 1: sexually active girls are the country. Yeah exactly, that's like
Speaker 1: my Donna horror thing. Yeah, it's trying this movie and
Speaker 1: and and it is like, I mean when we talk
Speaker 1: about this all the time, but like movies that are
Speaker 1: well intentioned but flawed in this way, for for movies
Speaker 1: that are well intentioned and slightly less flawed, progress is slow.
Speaker 1: And I think that scene, my favorite scene, I think
Speaker 1: is when she comes out after having sex with Brandon,
Speaker 1: and he just so clearly contrasts the two experiences of
Speaker 1: Brandon coming out the hero and her coming out and
Speaker 1: no one's talking to her. Some girls give her side
Speaker 1: and she kind of sneaks out of the party like
Speaker 1: like she did something wrong, and that seemed to me
Speaker 1: felt really really progressive for that time. Oh, pretty good movie.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. But is it an A? Maybe? Not? Well?
Speaker 1: Speaking of let's right, but before we do that, does
Speaker 1: this movie pass the Bechtel tests? It definitely does? It does?
Speaker 1: Yeah multiple times between Olive and Rhiannon, although they often
Speaker 1: talk about George, the fake boy that she didn't but
Speaker 1: George is more of an idea that's true, so is
Speaker 1: it does it count an idea? Olive and Marianne talk,
Speaker 1: although they mostly talk about how God he pronouns is
Speaker 1: judging Olive and then like Olive and her mom talk,
Speaker 1: but they often talk about Brandon. So a lot of
Speaker 1: the conversations are about boys and men, but they're definitely
Speaker 1: exchanges that pass yeah yeah between multiple characters. So does
Speaker 1: it get an A? Or five nipples on our nipple
Speaker 1: scale zero to five nipples based on this representation of
Speaker 1: women um, I give it like a it's a half.
Speaker 1: It's like in the middle, it's like really especially two
Speaker 1: and a half, it's it's trying. It's two thousand and ten.
Speaker 1: You know, we've only barely started trying to progress as
Speaker 1: a society in this year, so it's doing it's best,
Speaker 1: and it's best is not very good by our standard.
Speaker 1: And a good point about all the other women in
Speaker 1: the movie. You know, it's like a stone maybe pretty good,
Speaker 1: everyone pretty villainized. Are are made to see him and
Speaker 1: even in some ways, even in the ways that are
Speaker 1: high school realistic, they're just it just doesn't the writing
Speaker 1: doesn't go quite fair depth given to it. It is
Speaker 1: all even if it's like realistic, it's still not really
Speaker 1: realistic because there's no depth or backstory or motivation. It's
Speaker 1: all just like they come off mean a very mean
Speaker 1: and very petty super official And I think that the
Speaker 1: male characters are kind of given a free past the
Speaker 1: especially like Evan that kind of like he manipulated her,
Speaker 1: and I mean that kind of reminded me of Emma
Speaker 1: Stone's storyline in Super Bad, except in this one she
Speaker 1: loses where you know, like the Jonah Health character is
Speaker 1: like you never have a Kushia me, I'm a loser
Speaker 1: and then she's like but in super Bad, it's actually
Speaker 1: a little bit better because she's like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: like you because you are fucking rude, and he's oh,
Speaker 1: but then they still end up together ish or something,
Speaker 1: but forget but at least he doesn't, you know. It
Speaker 1: was like he doesn't get what he wants. In the
Speaker 1: same scene, I don't know, literally two sentences after threatening her,
Speaker 1: right right, and then she's like, oh, I guess I
Speaker 1: feel bad for you, right right. Yeah. So I think
Speaker 1: that that the boys trying to coerce all of our
Speaker 1: kind of made to be more jokey than being examined
Speaker 1: for being extremely fucking entitled. Yeah. Yes, I'll give it
Speaker 1: a two and a half because I think the intention
Speaker 1: of the movie is to expose like women are punished
Speaker 1: for being sexually active, but it just didn't really go
Speaker 1: all the way. Um, so two and a half nipples,
Speaker 1: and I will give one to Amanda Binds, not her
Speaker 1: character but her as a person, actually her her character
Speaker 1: and she's the man gets one of my nipples. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go ahead and give Stanley Tucci another one.
Speaker 1: Of my nipples and then I'll give my half nipple.
Speaker 1: I'll give it to that poor little brother who, just
Speaker 1: like Dame. You don't even remember what's his name? Justice
Speaker 1: for a little brother, Chip. I guess his name was Chip.
Speaker 1: I don't remember here in Chip, but that was that
Speaker 1: was his name. Uh yeah, I'm gonna go to a
Speaker 1: half as well. I think that this movie has its
Speaker 1: heart in the right place. I would wager that it's
Speaker 1: at least attempting to do more than most movies in
Speaker 1: We're attempting. I think that it's it's always good to
Speaker 1: have a female lead comedy. It's not super common, and
Speaker 1: this movie falls heavier on the comedy side than the
Speaker 1: romance side, which is nice. Um, it's cool that. I mean,
Speaker 1: this movie almost definitely made way for more movies like
Speaker 1: it because it was super successful. It was like eight
Speaker 1: million dollar budget, seventy five million dollar box office, so
Speaker 1: you know, I it has its place in time. There's
Speaker 1: a lot there's I would say about half of it
Speaker 1: doesn't really sit that well. But it's been almost ten
Speaker 1: years since this movie came out. For its time, I
Speaker 1: think it was a valiant effort and we we we
Speaker 1: soldier on to better more fun movies for everyone involved.
Speaker 1: We got to do Blockers sometimes soon we gotta do anyway,
Speaker 1: let's just say about that movie. I've watched Blockers. I
Speaker 1: think I've only seen it on planes, but I've seen
Speaker 1: it too, right, yeah, and was like, oh, this will
Speaker 1: be fun. It's like perfect plane movie. It's wild. It
Speaker 1: was sometimes when I'm like, oh this movie was made
Speaker 1: for planes, I'm not sure. Um, yeah we'll get but yeah,
Speaker 1: i'll do. I'll do two and a half and I'll
Speaker 1: give I'm gonna give two to Emma Stone this movie,
Speaker 1: Like what Rewatching it reminded me like why people love
Speaker 1: her so much? Like she's she's fun to watch, She's
Speaker 1: very funny. I think that like a lesser actress in
Speaker 1: this part would have been like, you know, cringeing, and
Speaker 1: it would have you know, So give two to Emma
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I'll give the other half to Ali Michalca.
Speaker 1: Sure glad to see she's thriving ten years ago. I
Speaker 1: don't know she's doing fun. Oh gosh, Well, I want
Speaker 1: to be different. But I feel like two and a
Speaker 1: half is like pretty perfect for this because it is
Speaker 1: trying really hard. I feel like it does a good
Speaker 1: job with like both like toxic masculinity and slut shaming
Speaker 1: female like all of that it does, it's it's hinting
Speaker 1: at it. So I was pleased with that. And I
Speaker 1: remember when I watched it when I was younger, feeling,
Speaker 1: particularly with Emma Stone, like I was a very big,
Speaker 1: you know, reputed slut in high school too, and so
Speaker 1: I really related to that and related to the fact that, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just it made me feel good
Speaker 1: better about myself, I think when it first came out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so two and a half, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Um, I definitely want to give one
Speaker 1: to Patricia Clarkson because I feel like, even though she
Speaker 1: does end up kind of slut shamy at the end, overall,
Speaker 1: it was nice to see a mother care actor who
Speaker 1: wasn't like forcing like puritanical standards on a daughter, which
Speaker 1: I feel like is really often portrayed in movies, especially
Speaker 1: back then, and so it was kind of nice to
Speaker 1: have a mom who, like, although she didn't fully get there, um,
Speaker 1: she was trying to get there and you know, and
Speaker 1: you know she's like, oh, you can have a boy
Speaker 1: in your room and you know he's gay. But at least,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Um, I feel like there
Speaker 1: was there was something there, and then you know, I
Speaker 1: want to give one to Emma Stone's lingerie because I
Speaker 1: think that was a really that was really I really thought,
Speaker 1: like the first moment when she walked to school in
Speaker 1: a corset, I was like, Oh, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: whole dress code thing about this, right, um and uh,
Speaker 1: And I thought it was cool how she just kind
Speaker 1: of like owned wearing lingerie to high school and totally
Speaker 1: rocked that. Um so, I think that deserves a nipple
Speaker 1: to hell. Yeah, I liked that they during the like
Speaker 1: montage where she's like re vamping her wardrobe. You see
Speaker 1: the bag, it's like, oh high launder ray, Like sure,
Speaker 1: it sounds like a business day, Like how did she
Speaker 1: afford all this nice lunch? Yea that everyone is as
Speaker 1: a wealthy person. I guess no team comedy that's true
Speaker 1: for oh Hi. I mean I guess she's maybe on
Speaker 1: the like she's in rich Oh Hi, it would appear.
Speaker 1: There's I mean so many teams. I'm like, please more
Speaker 1: team comedies that don't take place in like upper class,
Speaker 1: because most team comedies don't work just the way that
Speaker 1: they're written unless it's taking place in an upper class setting,
Speaker 1: because uh, you know, Shenanigans are expensive. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like really what, but but it is like from I
Speaker 1: mean even I had the same criticism for a book smart.
Speaker 1: It is just like every like this movie doesn't work
Speaker 1: if people don't have infinite privilege to fall back on.
Speaker 1: So you know, well someday, someday, but that's easy. A
Speaker 1: gang that there it is. They did their best and
Speaker 1: we respect it. ASA. Thank you so much for being here,
Speaker 1: for having me. This is really fun. Tell us, tell
Speaker 1: us about your book. Yeah, my book. It's a memoir.
Speaker 1: It's funny, it's great. Thank you. Um. I'm I'm scared
Speaker 1: for it to come out, but I'm also really excited.
Speaker 1: I hope it. Like you know, I talk a lot
Speaker 1: about being a slit in high school in it, so
Speaker 1: it's very relevant, too easy. I talked a lot about
Speaker 1: the rumors going around that somewhere true, somewhere it's so true. Um,
Speaker 1: and then kind of just like always being labeled the
Speaker 1: slut and how that kind of like made me realize,
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, I kinda want to go into sex
Speaker 1: work and seeing kind of what happens next? So yeah, excellent,
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Speaker 1: you on the social media's Yes, I'm at Issa is
Speaker 1: wrong awesome self blaming. I was wrong about everything always
Speaker 1: all the time. I have no idea what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: stumbling a lot. Thank you so much, thank you, thank
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Speaker 1: was hard to open, and now how do we should
Speaker 1: have practiced? I know we really should have done something
Speaker 1: like a little coordinated number. We should have closed. So
Speaker 1: what is the song that she sings at the end?
Speaker 1: They must have How about this? I got a pocket,
Speaker 1: got a pocket for ascension. I know there was Yeah, classic.
Speaker 1: I gotta love that. I know there's a classic, sure
Speaker 1: for sure. Okay, bye bye,