1
00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,760
Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

2
00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,440
Speaker 1: have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends

3
00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,840
Speaker 1: and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in

4
00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,680
Speaker 1: best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,

5
00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,680
Speaker 1: and welcome to the beck Del Cast. My name is

6
00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,639
Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Toronte, and this is

7
00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,760
Speaker 1: our podcast where we look at how women are portrayed

8
00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,720
Speaker 1: in movies. Wow. I was trying to think of a

9
00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,760
Speaker 1: fun intro for today, and then all three of us

10
00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,320
Speaker 1: realized that none of us had actually read The Scarlet Letter,

11
00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,559
Speaker 1: and so it was impossible to reference it because we

12
00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,600
Speaker 1: never read the book, nor had I seen the Demi

13
00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,319
Speaker 1: Moore version of it. Nor have I Yeah, I kind

14
00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,120
Speaker 1: of want to now based on the description that she's

15
00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,400
Speaker 1: like naked in the bathtub and doing a fake British accent.

16
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,800
Speaker 1: I do love a bad accent in a movie. It

17
00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,360
Speaker 1: doesn't take me out of it at all. He pulls

18
00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,480
Speaker 1: me closer, It gets me right where they want me,

19
00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,040
Speaker 1: and that pass the Bechdel test it which is if

20
00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,440
Speaker 1: you're not familiar. The media metric that we use as

21
00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,760
Speaker 1: a jumping off point, also called the Bechdel Wallace test,

22
00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,800
Speaker 1: and it requires that two female identifying characters speak to

23
00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,759
Speaker 1: each other in the movie that they're in. They should

24
00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,120
Speaker 1: have names, and they should not talk about a man. Yeah,

25
00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,919
Speaker 1: for at least two lines, which most movies, uh don't.

26
00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,800
Speaker 1: It's a lot of them just really don't. They don't

27
00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,679
Speaker 1: even try. We've got I'm excited to talk about the

28
00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,199
Speaker 1: movie today because we've got like a fun mixed bag

29
00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,199
Speaker 1: of of a movie. It's two thousand ten written all

30
00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:40,600
Speaker 1: over it. It's really having it both ways this movie. Um,

31
00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,120
Speaker 1: but I'm really excited. It's been like a long time request.

32
00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,759
Speaker 1: We've been getting this request for years, ignoring it for

33
00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,840
Speaker 1: some reason. And then our wonderful guest was like, how

34
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,640
Speaker 1: have you not done this movie? We're like, I don't.

35
00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why. This was a hill we chose

36
00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,280
Speaker 1: to die on for so long. The Lovely movie. It's

37
00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,160
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's fun, the teaches in it, the two

38
00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,840
Speaker 1: She's firing on all cylinders. I can't wait to talk

39
00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,520
Speaker 1: about the tooch. Penn, how do you say his name?

40
00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:12,280
Speaker 1: Penn Badgley? I don't know Bedley, I don't know. He's

41
00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,280
Speaker 1: in that very scary show that I watched all of

42
00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,640
Speaker 1: even though it makes me feel horrible. Which one he

43
00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,400
Speaker 1: plays a stalker? You, Yeah, it's every It's so it's

44
00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,919
Speaker 1: I think that that show is like so every like

45
00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,760
Speaker 1: over the top problematic stalker trope that I don't even

46
00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,920
Speaker 1: feel anything watching it. Like it's just so it's all

47
00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,839
Speaker 1: of them at once. It's crazy. Probably won't watch it, Yeah,

48
00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,400
Speaker 1: probably don't. Um. We teased our guests, but then we

49
00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,919
Speaker 1: didn't actually introduce her, so let's do that now. She

50
00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,160
Speaker 1: is a screenwriter, producer. She's the writer of the film

51
00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,120
Speaker 1: cam on Netflix. She's the author of the upcoming memoir

52
00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,480
Speaker 1: cam Girl, coming out on November twelve. It's mataiea. Hi,

53
00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,080
Speaker 1: Hi guys, welcome, Thank you so much for having me

54
00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,560
Speaker 1: where cam Heads. We're so excited you're here and we're

55
00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,119
Speaker 1: talking about easy a Yes, two thousand ten teen comedy

56
00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,680
Speaker 1: is then we were short in this. Yeah, Emma Stone's

57
00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,320
Speaker 1: first starring vehicle. Remember the World before Emma Stone, I

58
00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,600
Speaker 1: barely do. And it's also Amanda Bindes is last. Yeah,

59
00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,480
Speaker 1: and Lane is in it for a second. Yeah, she

60
00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:29,040
Speaker 1: is from Lizzie McGuire. Yeah, Miranda, she shows up for

61
00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,400
Speaker 1: one line. Yeah, she doesn't even have a name in

62
00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,720
Speaker 1: the movie, like her credit is just girl on the

63
00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,840
Speaker 1: Street or something. Yeah that I forgot about that, but

64
00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,200
Speaker 1: it's every like I checked Lilane's I am dB. Maybe

65
00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,560
Speaker 1: we'll say once a year. It occurs to me to

66
00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,400
Speaker 1: just check in and I always see that credit. I'm like,

67
00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,600
Speaker 1: I have what was that? And now I know? Very good.

68
00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,920
Speaker 1: She shines Lisa Coudras in this movie. Yes she is,

69
00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,280
Speaker 1: and I think a role that we'll get to. But

70
00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,720
Speaker 1: it reminded me a lot of the Jessica Williams role

71
00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,440
Speaker 1: in books. Aren't oh sure the way that it plays

72
00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,720
Speaker 1: out and how much I didn't care for it. But

73
00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,280
Speaker 1: Amanda Binds is basically playing the same character that Mandy

74
00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:16,480
Speaker 1: Moore does. Yeah, yeah, which is I love Amanda Binds

75
00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,239
Speaker 1: to the end of year, but the Mandy Moore character

76
00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,400
Speaker 1: is way better. Sure, I need to rewatch Saved, but

77
00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,560
Speaker 1: saved it a long time. That would be an interesting one.

78
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:31,280
Speaker 1: We've gotten requests, man, We've just we've ever well, the

79
00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,440
Speaker 1: thing is we just stop ignoring people. It's not that

80
00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,800
Speaker 1: we're annoying people, is that we've gotten requests for probably

81
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,960
Speaker 1: every movie ever made. We've gotten thousands upon thousands of

82
00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,440
Speaker 1: requests were so cool and popular. Made a short film

83
00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,120
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, and while it doesn't have much of

84
00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,640
Speaker 1: a cult following, I think there's a lot to discuss.

85
00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,839
Speaker 1: You're like, well, we'll get there. This podcast is going

86
00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,400
Speaker 1: to go on for five years and we'll get there. Uh, Sosa,

87
00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,920
Speaker 1: what's your history relationship with the movie? Easy? Um, it's

88
00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,359
Speaker 1: hard to say. You know, I don't like remember the

89
00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,560
Speaker 1: first time I saw it. Um. I know we had

90
00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,880
Speaker 1: it on DVD, and I remember it was a movie

91
00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,560
Speaker 1: that like my sister and I watched over and over

92
00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,359
Speaker 1: and over and over again. Um, both because we liked it,

93
00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,400
Speaker 1: but also because it was like one of the last

94
00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,280
Speaker 1: DVDs that we bought that we had, you know that,

95
00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,840
Speaker 1: Like it was right at the kind of the end

96
00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,600
Speaker 1: of like buying dv shots. And I just I remembered

97
00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,880
Speaker 1: really really relating to Emma Stone in it like a lot.

98
00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, So that's kind of like been my relationship

99
00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,880
Speaker 1: with it. It's been a movie that I've revisited a lot.

100
00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,080
Speaker 1: I would say, since it came out, Jamie, what about you.

101
00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,080
Speaker 1: I remember seeing this movie in theaters. It came out

102
00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,599
Speaker 1: when I was like like my senior year in high school. Um,

103
00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,640
Speaker 1: and so I went to see it with all my

104
00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,840
Speaker 1: friends and we were, I don't know, like we loved it.

105
00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,760
Speaker 1: We were really hyped on Emma Stone, and I think

106
00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,440
Speaker 1: in some ways like it. It felt like pretty different

107
00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,560
Speaker 1: to most of the team comedies that you see. And yeah,

108
00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really liked it. I've seen it

109
00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,480
Speaker 1: maybe four or five times before this, but never was

110
00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,960
Speaker 1: thinking about it as hard as I was this past time.

111
00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,400
Speaker 1: And I think that this is like one of my

112
00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,039
Speaker 1: favorite Stanley Tucci roles, Oh my goodness, and Patricia Clark said,

113
00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,239
Speaker 1: is great. That's the mother right, Yeah, she's so good. Yeah,

114
00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,000
Speaker 1: I and I forgot Ali. This is really the most

115
00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,520
Speaker 1: two thousand ten movie of all time. Ali Michalka of

116
00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:34,320
Speaker 1: Ali and the dental break up song. Okay, wait to

117
00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,560
Speaker 1: church Church something like that. It's really good. Do they

118
00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,600
Speaker 1: just released a song that I heard and I had

119
00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,359
Speaker 1: no idea with them and it's actually incredible. That's awesome.

120
00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:52,039
Speaker 1: Wait what character does she plays? She plays Rhiannon. Oh yeah, yeah, goodness. Yeah,

121
00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,880
Speaker 1: so it is the most two thousand time movie of

122
00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,080
Speaker 1: all time and uh for that, I have no choice,

123
00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,520
Speaker 1: but too, I mean class at two dozen tend gettle

124
00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,200
Speaker 1: of it. My goodness, what's your history? I saw it.

125
00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,440
Speaker 1: It came out when I was I guess, like probably

126
00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:10,600
Speaker 1: twenty four, and I wasn't necessarily like the target demo,

127
00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,920
Speaker 1: having aged out of being a teenager brag, But um,

128
00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,800
Speaker 1: I liked it. I remember thinking like, the jokes were

129
00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:25,840
Speaker 1: pretty funny, the dialogue was like quippy, and I enjoyed it.

130
00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,400
Speaker 1: But I think I only had seen it that one time,

131
00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,400
Speaker 1: and then revisiting it this time, I was like, oh, okay,

132
00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,680
Speaker 1: you you tried to do something and then you only

133
00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,720
Speaker 1: got part of the way there, and then he made

134
00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of missteps movie. So I'm excited to talk

135
00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,280
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm psycked. Um should I just

136
00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,880
Speaker 1: dive into the recap? Yeah? Okay and easy. You can

137
00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,160
Speaker 1: inter at the recap whenever you want. It's the best part,

138
00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:57,040
Speaker 1: every word. I have a lot to say. So the

139
00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:02,680
Speaker 1: story is told partly via Army Characters video blog or

140
00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,000
Speaker 1: vlog is the kids are calling it these days. I

141
00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,920
Speaker 1: love how prototypical it is in this movie, where there

142
00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,800
Speaker 1: she's like, you have to go to free alive dot com.

143
00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,960
Speaker 1: There's a live stream happening there. It won't be saved

144
00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:23,080
Speaker 1: six pm sharp. It was so it was great. And

145
00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,960
Speaker 1: what she's doing in this vlog is recounting the events

146
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,440
Speaker 1: of the movie. So we meet all of Pendergast. That's

147
00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,839
Speaker 1: m A. Stone's character. She starts out, your average invisible

148
00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,920
Speaker 1: teen girl about to graduate from high school in she's

149
00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,320
Speaker 1: not like the other girls. She's not like the girls.

150
00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,960
Speaker 1: Um yeah, and OHI, yes, California. Ever heard of it? Um?

151
00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,760
Speaker 1: Probably not. That's a weird place I've never been. If

152
00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,319
Speaker 1: you don't feel like my writing partners from OHI, and

153
00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,880
Speaker 1: it's like very like mine and and all you OHI

154
00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,840
Speaker 1: heads dive into my mentions if I'm getting is completely wrong.

155
00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,640
Speaker 1: But there's a huge class disparity where it's like the

156
00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,880
Speaker 1: surfer class and then just insanely wealthy people. Just so

157
00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,560
Speaker 1: that there's and there's a lot of camps there. Oh sure.

158
00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,720
Speaker 1: It's like on the edge of like a huge national park,

159
00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,640
Speaker 1: I think park. It's a weird, fun place. My writing

160
00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,719
Speaker 1: partner's dad is in a surf cult in OHI. Oh

161
00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,920
Speaker 1: that's the guy who's in a surf called the Barbecue Surfers. Yeah,

162
00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,240
Speaker 1: I remember this from our point breakup star. Oh yeah, Okay,

163
00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,080
Speaker 1: I'll shut up about the barbecue surfers. We've rehashed this before.

164
00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,680
Speaker 1: That was quite all right. So they're in Ohai, California,

165
00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,200
Speaker 1: and Olive, yeah, she's, you know, not like the other girl.

166
00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,960
Speaker 1: She's invisible, and to avoid going camping with her best

167
00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,800
Speaker 1: friend Rhiannon and her weird family, she lies and says

168
00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,680
Speaker 1: that she has a date that weekend with this guy

169
00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,720
Speaker 1: named George, who we know she just made up um

170
00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,800
Speaker 1: and Rhannon becomes convinced that all of lost her for

171
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,800
Speaker 1: ginity with this guy, but she instead she was doing

172
00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,360
Speaker 1: that really funny Natasha Beddingfield. But I've got a pucket

173
00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,000
Speaker 1: full of sensions. I still love at it playing it

174
00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,040
Speaker 1: from a greeting cars, so funny, great montage. Emma Stone

175
00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,959
Speaker 1: is really good. I like, I fluctuate on her so much,

176
00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,839
Speaker 1: but she's amazing in this movie I tend to agree with.

177
00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,480
Speaker 1: And so Rhannon thinks this about Alive and for some reason,

178
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,439
Speaker 1: all of for reasons that she says she doesn't even understand.

179
00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,400
Speaker 1: She's like, yes, that did happen. I did have sex

180
00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,800
Speaker 1: with him, which is overheard in the bathroom by Mary

181
00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,480
Speaker 1: Ann Bryant. That's the Amanda Bind's character she's like the

182
00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,120
Speaker 1: like holier than now religious extremists, like goody two shoes type.

183
00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:50,160
Speaker 1: She's very like oppressively religious stereotype. And she starts spreading

184
00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,120
Speaker 1: rumors all over school about all of having sex. And

185
00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,600
Speaker 1: then suddenly everyone is paying attention to Olive because they

186
00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,000
Speaker 1: think that she has sex, and she tries to tell

187
00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,880
Speaker 1: Marian that she was just lying about having done that,

188
00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,719
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work. But also, like Olive admits that

189
00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,480
Speaker 1: she's like kind of enjoying the attention she's getting for

190
00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,439
Speaker 1: the first time because before this she was invisible. And

191
00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,120
Speaker 1: then during an English class discussion about the Scarlet Letter,

192
00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,040
Speaker 1: Marian Thomas Hayden Church cool guy teacher. Yeah, the adults

193
00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,080
Speaker 1: in this movie are maybe too cool, but we can

194
00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,960
Speaker 1: talk about that later. Yeah, unrealistic adult portrayal, because as

195
00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,240
Speaker 1: an adult right now, I am extremely uncool. I've never

196
00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,439
Speaker 1: I Also, there were a few times, I mean, and

197
00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,440
Speaker 1: it's like a teen movie, so it's like who cares,

198
00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,199
Speaker 1: But there were a few times where Thomas Hayden Church

199
00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,320
Speaker 1: was doing something dorky that was being very well received

200
00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,640
Speaker 1: in class, Like you would have been annihilate at Brockton

201
00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,600
Speaker 1: High School, Sir. He was like, let me wrap about

202
00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,640
Speaker 1: Jess kids and guys, I'm like, you would have been

203
00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,160
Speaker 1: on the floor, have been just People won't stand for that.

204
00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,319
Speaker 1: Teens will not stand for teachers wrapping. They won't um.

205
00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,439
Speaker 1: So then in during class, Marian's friend calls all of

206
00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,679
Speaker 1: a skank, and all of response by calling her a twat,

207
00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,719
Speaker 1: and it gets her sent to the principal's office. And

208
00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,280
Speaker 1: then she gets detention with this kid, Brandon, who is

209
00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,199
Speaker 1: being bullied for being gay, and then they talk about

210
00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,679
Speaker 1: the idea of like standing out and blending in, and

211
00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,320
Speaker 1: based on an idea that all of gives him, Brandon

212
00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,319
Speaker 1: decides to pretend to be straight at least until like

213
00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,599
Speaker 1: they all graduate and leave this town. And he convinces

214
00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,880
Speaker 1: her to help him make people think that the two

215
00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,760
Speaker 1: of them have sex, and she's like, okay, fine, there's

216
00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,920
Speaker 1: a party tomorrow night. Let's go and pretend to have

217
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,000
Speaker 1: sex at this party. And then like everyone will overhear

218
00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,520
Speaker 1: and they'll think you're a stud, and they do just that.

219
00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,760
Speaker 1: Another funny scene jumping on the bed and screaming. Right,

220
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,319
Speaker 1: the premises flawed, but the scene in the payoff is funny,

221
00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,760
Speaker 1: And then afterwards everyone does think that Brandon is a stud.

222
00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,679
Speaker 1: But then they're looking at Olive and they're like except

223
00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:19,040
Speaker 1: for Todd the pen Badgely he's not like the other boys.

224
00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,400
Speaker 1: He's the Mascot's the mascot. She's had a crash on

225
00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,760
Speaker 1: him since she was in eighth grade. They almost kissed

226
00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,480
Speaker 1: back then, but then they didn't because he wasn't ready

227
00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,719
Speaker 1: to kiss yet. And they're friendly and they chat and

228
00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,480
Speaker 1: then also maybe he even likes her question mark pen bag.

229
00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,920
Speaker 1: Really he was on Gossip Girl, right, I never watched that.

230
00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I think he was Okay, I

231
00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,520
Speaker 1: think so, which is funny because they she references that

232
00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,760
Speaker 1: show in this movie. Do you think pens in the

233
00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,439
Speaker 1: audience like Hollywood's crazy? I do think that he's like

234
00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:02,280
Speaker 1: that all the time. So then she receives a gift

235
00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,520
Speaker 1: card from Brandon, which one does. She I was trying

236
00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,480
Speaker 1: to keep track of who gives her what gift card

237
00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,320
Speaker 1: because that target compelling to me? Okay, targeting hundred dollar

238
00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,400
Speaker 1: I think target gift card. And he gives her a vibrator, Yeah,

239
00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,640
Speaker 1: he vibrator, which is good looking out sure in high

240
00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,200
Speaker 1: school though, like I don't believe that, right, is there

241
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,440
Speaker 1: a sex shop in OHI or did he have to

242
00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,760
Speaker 1: drive down to Los Angeles their seniors in high school? Right, yeah,

243
00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,160
Speaker 1: they don't have they are because she gets the Natasha

244
00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,720
Speaker 1: Beddingfield card that she gets is a graduation card. It's

245
00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,960
Speaker 1: like congratulations yeah from her grandma. It right. So she

246
00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,720
Speaker 1: hears from Rhiannon that everyone thinks that all of is

247
00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,200
Speaker 1: a dirty skank, and then they're getting a big fight

248
00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,080
Speaker 1: about it, and then all of decides to double down

249
00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,520
Speaker 1: on this quote dirty skank image. So there's a sewing

250
00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,920
Speaker 1: montage because women be sewing. And then she shows up

251
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,400
Speaker 1: to school in this very sultry outfit with a big

252
00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,160
Speaker 1: red as onto her tongue or like what a dork

253
00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,640
Speaker 1: just making a literary reference in her outfit. Yeah, And

254
00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,440
Speaker 1: then she gets approached by this kid, Evan, who knows

255
00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,920
Speaker 1: the truth about what happened with Brandon, and he offers

256
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,000
Speaker 1: all of another hundred dollar gift card to also spread

257
00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,960
Speaker 1: rumors about them doing sex stuff, and it turns out

258
00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,640
Speaker 1: to be from auto Zone. I think it's later confirmed.

259
00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,040
Speaker 1: He offers her a different one, but then when she

260
00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,840
Speaker 1: confronts him later about it, she's like, it was from

261
00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:45,200
Speaker 1: Autozon and I don't even have a car, like if

262
00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,040
Speaker 1: cards are funny because they were all like there was

263
00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,800
Speaker 1: like the home depot, there was auto zone. It's like

264
00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,960
Speaker 1: you're like, what is in this? For one was like

265
00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,600
Speaker 1: a bed bath then beyond cupan yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

266
00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,640
Speaker 1: Not a great negotiator, and she eventually agrees to this,

267
00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,680
Speaker 1: and then she starts doing it for several other boys

268
00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,200
Speaker 1: in her school as well, and then the rumor that

269
00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,280
Speaker 1: all of solicits sex for money also starts spreading rapidly

270
00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,040
Speaker 1: throughout the school. And then things take a turn when

271
00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,720
Speaker 1: she learns that one of her classmates, Mica, which is

272
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:28,280
Speaker 1: Maryanne Bryant's boyfriend, got claimidia from the guidance counselor Mrs

273
00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:35,400
Speaker 1: Griffith Lisa Trudre Thomas Hayden Churches his wife, and all

274
00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,520
Speaker 1: of agrees to take the fall for it, saying that

275
00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,560
Speaker 1: she's the one who gave Mica clamidia so that Mrs

276
00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,160
Speaker 1: Griffith doesn't get fired for having sex with a student.

277
00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,480
Speaker 1: And then people are protesting all of led by Marian Bryant,

278
00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,200
Speaker 1: and they're trying to get her expelled. Ran And joins

279
00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:59,680
Speaker 1: in for some reason, Yes, that absolutely, it's because Olive

280
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,560
Speaker 1: goes on the date with the guy that she likes.

281
00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,880
Speaker 1: But I think she turns on her way before that though,

282
00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,560
Speaker 1: why But I feel like she joins the Amanda bindsafter

283
00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,800
Speaker 1: on that. I think that makes sense. Yeah, And then

284
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:22,040
Speaker 1: meanwhile Todd the Woodchuck boy Penn Badgeley, yes is uh.

285
00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,400
Speaker 1: He keeps popping up And then she's trying to figure

286
00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,080
Speaker 1: out if she should come clean about everything. And then

287
00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,159
Speaker 1: this guy Anson asks her out on a date and

288
00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,919
Speaker 1: it turns out that he just went out with her

289
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,359
Speaker 1: so that he could say that they had sex, and

290
00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,160
Speaker 1: he tries to give her the two home Depot gift card,

291
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,399
Speaker 1: and then he tries to kiss her. She has to

292
00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,400
Speaker 1: fight him off. And then Todd shows up right then

293
00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,399
Speaker 1: and he gives her a ride home and he's like,

294
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,600
Speaker 1: I think you're great and maybe I can, like I

295
00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,920
Speaker 1: don't know, help you out with this whole thing. And

296
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:55,600
Speaker 1: because all the guys that she had helped previously refused

297
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,240
Speaker 1: to come clean about the whole situation, she decides to

298
00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,359
Speaker 1: do this vlog that we've been watching to tell her

299
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,240
Speaker 1: side of the story, which she prefaces by performing a

300
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:14,840
Speaker 1: musical number at a school pepper rally. Because I guess

301
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,080
Speaker 1: she wishes that her life was Ferris Spieler's day off.

302
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,160
Speaker 1: One of the more annoying aspects of the movie for me, Yeah,

303
00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,119
Speaker 1: I I do like in retrospect, like watching that scene

304
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,320
Speaker 1: like almost ten years later and being like, oh, for

305
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,720
Speaker 1: sure that Like everyone on set was like, the scene

306
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,520
Speaker 1: is going to be iconic, and I did not remember

307
00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,360
Speaker 1: it had not remembered. Every time, I'm like, what is happening?

308
00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,879
Speaker 1: This is going to be in a montage at the

309
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:49,000
Speaker 1: oscar It's like, and then she rides off with Todd

310
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,320
Speaker 1: on a lawnmower and then they kiss, and then that's

311
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 1: the end of the movie. At the end of the

312
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: movie killing you know what, I was really impressed by

313
00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 1: an easy what what what? I really loved and respected

314
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,119
Speaker 1: the marriage between Stanley Tucci and Patricia Clarkson's characters. It

315
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 1: seemed very healthy, very functional. They had fun. They do

316
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 1: have fun at the house. You know what I bet

317
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: they used when they were planning tell me their functional marriage.

318
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,160
Speaker 1: There's something that comes before a functional marriage, and it's

319
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,680
Speaker 1: a wedding for many people. For a lot of people,

320
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 1: I would say it's common. And Zola is reinventing the

321
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,159
Speaker 1: wedding planning and registry experience. Do you see where I'm

322
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,520
Speaker 1: going with this? I do see to make the happiest

323
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 1: moment in couples lives even happier. Zola combines compassionate customer

324
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 1: service with modern tools and technologies, all in the service

325
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 1: wait for it of love. I know you love to

326
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 1: see it. Well, let me tell you more about Zola. Okay,

327
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 1: Zola takes the stress out of wedding planning with Love Weddings.

328
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm famous for loving weddings. You can make a free

329
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: wedding website with Zola. It has the easiest wedding registry

330
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: and affordable wedding invitation options and more. Now you can

331
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 1: also conveniently manage everything online in one place, which saves

332
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 1: couples so much time. You can start with a free

333
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 1: wedding website. It is so easy and it takes just

334
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 1: minutes to set up and customize, then set up your

335
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 1: registry which is funny, easy to do. And Zola is

336
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: the only place where you can register for honeymoon funds

337
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 1: because vacations be expensive and gift cards along with physical

338
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 1: gifts as we call them. Yeah, couples and guests alike

339
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: just simply love. They love the free shipping, smart returns,

340
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: price matching, group gifting, and more, more more plus the

341
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 1: best completion discount around tent off for six months after

342
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 1: your wedding day and you can use it as much

343
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 1: as you want neat. You know what. I You may

344
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 1: not know this about me, but I'm nowhere close to

345
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: having a wedding or relationship at all. But guess what.

346
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: I went on to the website and started setting up

347
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: a registry for myself. I was pretending, Jamie, like you

348
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: and I were getting married. Okay, what are we getting

349
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: so much good stuff? Because the site is super easy

350
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: to use, and like search for gifts, you add them

351
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 1: to the registry. And now we have all this stuff

352
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: in our registry for a wedding that I don't know,

353
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have. That'd be kind of fun. We should

354
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: just get married. We should just get married because builds

355
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: your free wedding website on Zela and get fifty dollars

356
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: towards your registry. Go to Zilla dot com slash tbc

357
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: and get started today. That's fifty dollars towards your registry

358
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: by going to Zola zo A dot com slash tbc

359
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: and there's no easier a than that Wow, where to

360
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: begin with this. There's a lot of there's a there's

361
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: a lot Well, I here's my initial thoughts. Right, So

362
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: the movie, thank you so much, thank you for giving

363
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 1: me this platform. I'm reclaiming my time. Thank you. Um.

364
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: This movie does some things right which are progressive and feminist,

365
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 1: and then it does a lot of things that are

366
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: very wrong because one of the themes of the movie,

367
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: it's like the core message, let's say, is the double

368
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: standard of sexually active men being considered studs and sexually

369
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: active women being considered sluts. In the movie draws attention

370
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: to that, calls it out, and we're like, whoa, yeah,

371
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: But the movie only goes so far with that message

372
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: because it ends up like demonizing the idea of women

373
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: having a lot of sex and having multiple sexual partners

374
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: through various lines of dialogue and different attitudes that characters have, etcetera.

375
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: My main thing with this movie that well, there was

376
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: first of all, like, in most respects, like I thought,

377
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: especially when I first saw the movie, I thought Emiston's

378
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: character was like the fucking coolest person the world. I

379
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: was like, I wish I were more like this character.

380
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: She was so cool. But most of the other women

381
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: outside of her mom, who is like, I feel like

382
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: pretty positive and supportive, but like all the other female

383
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: characters in this story are like vicious and trophy in

384
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and you get some shades of gray,

385
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: like with you get a little bit with the Rhiannon character.

386
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: You don't really get that much with the Marianne character.

387
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: But it's it's like this weird. I don't know, it

388
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: just felt a little off to me the way that

389
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: she is basically like, it seems like the movie has

390
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: decided like, well, women will turn on each other and

391
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: call each other sleds and this is the main problem,

392
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And whereas I feel like

393
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: kind of the guys end up looking a little more

394
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: goofy rather than very much a part of it. And

395
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: even the mom is kind of like sled Shaney, Like

396
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: when they have that conversation on the car, her mom

397
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: is like, you know, I used to sleep with a

398
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: ton of people and it was because I had really

399
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: low self esteem and then I met your dad and

400
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: now I'm like fine. And so even her mom, like

401
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: as supportive as she is, she's still slut shaming. So yeah,

402
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: every it's like every female I mean, everyone in this

403
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: movie is slut shaming, and that's part of the point,

404
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: but it just seems like the female characters, especially at

405
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: that high school, were so incredibly vicious. The Lisa Kudra

406
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: character is totally sold out and like literally is called

407
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: like an evil person. And I think that this movie

408
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't have treated its main character the same way if

409
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: she had had sex, Like the that's what I'm saying, yeah,

410
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: like there's no I feel like the implication is, well,

411
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: she's a redeemable Like I like the end message of

412
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: the movie, like no matter what, it's no one's fucking business.

413
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: But that's not really what the movie was saying the

414
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: whole time, because because she was a virgin the whole time,

415
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: you don't need to really question what you're supposed to be, right.

416
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: I think if that character was actually having a lot

417
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: of sex with multiple partners, I don't think that is

418
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: not what happened in the movie, because I think the

419
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: movie really comes down against that type of behavior. For example,

420
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: so the romantic storyline with Todd, which there's parts of

421
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: it I like in parts of it, I don't like.

422
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: The part that I don't like is when they're like

423
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: in the car he's giving her a ride home, and

424
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: she's like, well, haven't you heard all these rumors about me?

425
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, I've heard them, but I don't

426
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: believe them, which implies that he still likes her because

427
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't think she's been sleeping with a bunch of

428
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: different people, implying that if he thought she was sleeping

429
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: with a bunch of different people, he would not like her. Yeah. Yeah,

430
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: there's like all this and it's weird because I definitely

431
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I definitely did not pick up

432
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: on this when I first watched. But he's like, it's

433
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 1: all these little exchanges and lines that the subtext is like, well,

434
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: because this is a lie, that's the only reason this

435
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: is okay, and she were telling the truth, she's irredeemable

436
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: and bad. And then you know, so even at the end,

437
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: she says that line where when she's on her vlog

438
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: dot com and she's like, you know how shitty it

439
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: feels to be an outcast warranted or not? And you're like,

440
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: what is the warranted or I didn't even catch that.

441
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: It's just like a little line that you're like, okay,

442
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I like, that's the values of this movie aren't really

443
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: what they're advertising. And then a few other lines like

444
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: the one that you said Lisa about like her mom

445
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, I slept around because I had no

446
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: self worth, and then like Lisa kudrow House a line

447
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: that says, my god, character disaster, where is it? It's

448
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: something like, oh, it's real horror. Can't admit it to herself,

449
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: trust me? Yeah. Well, the what's confusing is that there

450
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: are some characters who are slut shaming, and they're framed

451
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: as being bad and wrong, like the Amanda Bind's character

452
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: and like her whole friend group. But then the movie

453
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: turns around owned and then like I interpreted that to

454
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: be like again, it's just like a this movie was

455
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: written by a queer writer, but a queer male writer

456
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: who I guess like he went on, you know, he

457
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: did interviews around this movie and said that the character

458
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: Brandon was based on his experience in high school closet. Yeah, Like,

459
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: it does give you some good subtext, but it does.

460
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: It does seem like the like decision being made by

461
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: like the writer, director, whomever else is that teen girls

462
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: are so fickle and we'll turn on you for absolutely

463
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: no reason, and we'll one eight, And I mean, I

464
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: think you almost see that in Rhiannon's character. At the beginning,

465
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: she's like, you have to be a slut. And then

466
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: when Emma Stones's character is like okay, and then she's

467
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: like I hate you, You're horrible, Like yeah, it's like not,

468
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to trace her logic, Like she starts. Rhiannon

469
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: starts out by talking openly about sex. She like screams

470
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: the word climax and of their teacher, like she's so

471
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: excited when she thinks that all of has had sex

472
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: for the first time, she's like, oh, you've joined the

473
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: super slut club with me. And then as soon as

474
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: all of starts to get this reputation for reasons that

475
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand, she's like, well, everyone thinks you're a

476
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: dirty skank, and so do I. And it's like, well,

477
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: which is it, Like are you excited about like your

478
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: friend's sexuality or And then I think what happened. It's

479
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: like the writer needed to like heighten the conflict for

480
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: all of So it's like, let's put her in conflict

481
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: with her best friend. How do I do that make

482
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: her completely change everything about the character that I've established,

483
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't. But see, I for me disagree

484
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: a little bit because I think my experience in high

485
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: school was actually I knew girls that were very similar

486
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: to that, and I think, maybe to give the writer

487
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: too much credit, but I almost feel like it's pointing

488
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: a finger at the fact that this kind of like

489
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: the toxic ideas that we hold around owned virginity and

490
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: chastity with women kind of necessarily pit women against each other,

491
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: and this almost like who's a virgin, who's not a virgin,

492
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: who's sluttier, who's not sluttier? And like I remember there

493
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: was a girl in my high school who like used

494
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: to lord her virginity over other people, but then it

495
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: which it turned out that she was like having anal

496
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: sex the whole time, but like her virginity was intact,

497
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: and so it was like always this and then as

498
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: soon as people found that out, then all of a

499
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: sudden she was slutty and horrible, and then others were good.

500
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: And like even girls I knew who were like really

501
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: proud of being, you know, slutty, there was always like

502
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: like a limit and then if you went past that limit,

503
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: then you were bad. And I feel like this like

504
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: hierarchy of sluttery actually is really at least two to

505
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: my high school experience. I don't know if it's too think. Yeah,

506
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: there's a bit of that in my high school as well. Yeah,

507
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: so I feel like maybe Rhiannon is like comfortable with

508
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: like up to a certain point. Sure it doesn't because

509
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: she does and then she does. She does celebrate it

510
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: until the point where like Emma Stone stops telling her

511
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: about it. That's true, and she's like a betrayal best friend. Yeah,

512
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: and then she and then when it gets to be

513
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: her crush, it's I mean, honestly, I would join the

514
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: picket line as well. She don't grun a day with

515
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: your best friend's crush, it's the rule. No. And it's

516
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: super weird that Emma Stone only gets upset that they

517
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: might get seen. She's like, I don't want them to

518
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't want her to see us, But it's like

519
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: you still went see I still I would argue I

520
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: wish that we knew more about Rhannon in general, because

521
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: I agree that you're saying, and I think that like

522
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: that is like an interesting thing to explore, but it's

523
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: but we don't really know that much about her, So

524
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: it was like hard for me to glean, like we

525
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: don't really know much about like what her sexual history is,

526
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: because I feel like this whole movie is kind of

527
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: hinged around, like you know, exaggeration of what your sexual

528
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: experiences for social acceptance, cloud whatever, and we don't really

529
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: know if Rhannon is, you know, telling the truth, is

530
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: she exaggerating? We don't really know. Yeah, that's true. She's

531
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: not given a lot of backstory, no, which is a bummer.

532
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: I feel like there's there's space for that. And from

533
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: the very beginning, I was like, Ama Stone is not

534
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: a freakod friend to her because she's just like she

535
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: she lies about well, I mean, she she lies to

536
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: get out of that trip. And then yeah, I I

537
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: don't know Ema Stone. At times I understood her motivations

538
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: and other times I was like, you're just like fucking

539
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: yourself over. I think they're both not good friends to

540
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: each other. That's true. Yeah, that's really true, which is

541
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot of high school friendships like that. Tracks. Yeah,

542
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: although they're supposed to be like best friends, I feel

543
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: like like how they're yea since like forever right unless

544
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: her desktop image, that's like serious friendship. I mean, and

545
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: I think this is pretty standard for like teen movies,

546
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: but I don't think the complications that come with many

547
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: teen best friendships, like the portrayal of it in this

548
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: movie and in most teen movies, it's not very nuanced. Yeah,

549
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: I think it's like it was clear to me just

550
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: like based on how their friendship was right, And I

551
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think a woman wrote this movie,

552
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: and then I checked it, like, no they did not,

553
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: because there is there are like it feels like some

554
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: kernels of like authenticity, and I like to see like,

555
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, female characters in conflict with each other and

556
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: like both kind of being assholes in different ways. Like

557
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: that's great, but it just sometimes it was a little

558
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: bit uncanny valley to track in this one. For sure.

559
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch a little bit more on the

560
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: romantic storyline with all of and Todd and badly. Yes,

561
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: I kept forgetting he was in the movie, and then

562
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: he would show up again. I was like, oh, yeah,

563
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: I guess that this is you know, we care about this. Yeah.

564
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: He also wasn't given a lot of a story, No, No,

565
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: he was just kind of there, right. The little back

566
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: story we do get about him is that all of

567
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: him played seven minute in Heaven when they were in

568
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: eighth grade. So they go into this room and he's like, oh, actually,

569
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to kiss yet. Could we just tell

570
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: everyone that we kissed? And she's like sure. And then

571
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: I liked that. You know, you see like a young

572
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: boy who's not ready to kiss, because there's like so

573
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: much pressure on boys starting at a very young age

574
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: to like be sexually active and to like start as

575
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: soon as possible. So I was like, oh, that's that's nice,

576
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: because like the idea of like a boy not being

577
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: ready yet, there's an idea that there's no such thing

578
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: is that? And of course there's so and it's very damaging.

579
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, I like that moment. I like that the

580
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: little boy was able to be not ready for something

581
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: and that was like treated very respectfully. Yeah, it wasn't

582
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: like an emasculation thing. It was like yeah. And then

583
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: so like all of goes on that date with Anson,

584
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: he tries to surprise kiss her several times. That's framed

585
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: as being wrong, unwanted, assaulty. In the contrast, she gets

586
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: in the car with Todd and he's been framed as

587
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: being this viable romantic option for Olive Chuck Todd Chuck

588
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Todd and then he asks permission to kiss her. She

589
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: says no, and then he's like visibly disappointed, but then

590
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: he apologizes. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry, and she's like, no,

591
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: I just mean like I don't want to kiss you

592
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: right now, but I do want to french you some

593
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: other time. So just the fact that we see like

594
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: a boy asking for permission to kiss a woman appreciate

595
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: taking the no. Yeah, he didn't really push it. Yeah,

596
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: so that was like, oh cool, that was a yeah,

597
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: I liked that scene too. But then there's like that

598
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: we're I mean, it's just such a mixed bag, that

599
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: very mixed where he's like, well, I want to kiss

600
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: you because you because you because you're in text. He

601
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: asks that, she's like why are you interested in me

602
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and then he's given this line

603
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: which is just kind of a non answer. He's like

604
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, and we're like, do you, because like,

605
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, she's been around this whole time, but all

606
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you're in love with I guess.

607
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: But don't we see her like kind of trying to

608
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: talk to her before like the rumors start. Does that happen.

609
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: I can't totally remember they we see them like we

610
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: see like they're kind of flirty. Yeah, yeah, they have

611
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: like they have like a moment, I guess, yeah, but

612
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: he does like explicitly stayed like, oh well I don't

613
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: believe those rumors, which is why I still have a

614
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: crush on your right, yeah, which is gosh, so yeah,

615
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. And and there, I mean,

616
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: this is sort of this like hearkens back to like

617
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: I feel like a million episodes we've done at this point.

618
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: But the whole like obsession with eighties movies I've found

619
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: so annoying. They're just like a montage of movies that

620
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: we've already fucking Like, what is the dog that gets shot?

621
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: It's not Lassie old Yeller, old Yeller. Yeah, we've already

622
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: old yellow these movies and Emma Stones out here, Like

623
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: I just wish there were more Judd Nells that you're like, oh,

624
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: I was, like I love John Hughes. Was then it

625
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: literally ends with the sisso of them together. The whole

626
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: thing a lot out of me. That part she likes

627
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: sites these very problematic like rape movies like sixteen Candles

628
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: and Breakfast club and it's like, oh, this is what

629
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: you're aspiring too well, which is again, I mean it's

630
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: very two. And it's also like another kind of like

631
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: little missed opportunity for like it's not even it's like

632
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: not uncommon for people to be like, oh, I wish

633
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: my life were like this movie that happened before I

634
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: was born. But then it just doesn't challenge your examine

635
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: anything of like oh maybe that shouldn't be what and

636
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: then she just gets it. But I feel like often

637
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: that's all we remember about those movies, right, It's like

638
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: you just remember like the iconic moment where you're like

639
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: overcome with love and emotion and you're like, oh, it's

640
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: so beautiful, and then you go back and actually watch

641
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: it and you're like, oh, wait, disaster. So that I mean, yeah,

642
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: in general, the there are parts of the Olive Todd Romantics.

643
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: It was it's not the worst teen comedy relationship by

644
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: a long shot. Or there's definitely room for improvement. Yeah yeah,

645
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's that's this whole movie. For me.

646
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: It's like we are on the right track. I can

647
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: I can feel it doesn't quite go the whole way.

648
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: Can we talking about the Lisa Kujar character that was

649
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: so and it did remind me a lot of like

650
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: a very similar storyline and failing of the Jessica Williams

651
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: character in Book Smart this year, where it's like, oh,

652
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: they want to have I think something that would have

653
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: been done in the eighties without making it clear what

654
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: the age you know, content is. But they're just trying

655
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: to update that, you know, like Trophy story line of

656
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: like the teacher and the student hooking up but they're legal,

657
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: so it's okay, but it's still not good and like, yeah,

658
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: Lisa Kutro is made out to be such an evil

659
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: shrew from moment one, like it just it sucked, right.

660
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: She's like, the first thing we hear her say, I

661
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: think is, um, I'm the guidance counselor. I should know

662
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: who all my students are, especially the ones who dressed

663
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: like prostitutes, and I'm supposed to be like and then

664
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: she just kind of like shoves condoms at her. She's like,

665
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm always here to support you and listen to you.

666
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: And then but and Emma Stone is legitimately trying to

667
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: talk to her, and she's like, I want to tell

668
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: you what's going on? Because it's terrible and I'm really upset,

669
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: and she's just kind of like, here, take the condoms,

670
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: get out of my office, right. And then there's that

671
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: scene their last scene together, which is like so egregious

672
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I hope Lisa Kudro got paid

673
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: a lot of money to say this. But that whole

674
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: scene where this is during sort of the like series

675
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: of scenes where Emma Stone is going back to the

676
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: people she's agreed to lie for and say I can't

677
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: do this anymore. So she gets Lisa Coudro, and Lisa

678
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: Coudro is like, who are people going to believe? They're

679
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: not gonna believe you, They're gonna believe me that. You're like,

680
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: oh right, boy, this is so yeah. That was like

681
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: a brutal just I mean, there's really nothing to sell

682
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: out with this character because she's presented as unsympathetic like it.

683
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: I like, that's like the best example in this movie

684
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: of how the movie really feels about women having sex.

685
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Is they like and then her husband is like perfect exactly,

686
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: he does nothing wrong. He's like the students love him,

687
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: everyone loves him. He's devastated she, like Emmas don't apologizes

688
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: to him on her web. That's what really especially join

689
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: me crazy about this too, is that like all of

690
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: takes responsibility for being a home wrecker, and she's like,

691
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: oh man, I shouldn't have told it. I feel I

692
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: regret telling him, and it's like, you didn't do anything,

693
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: like it was these two other parties of Mrs Griffith

694
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: and then this Mica kid who ruined that marriage, not you,

695
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: and the Mica character by extension too, it was like

696
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: even there was like a little something in that character

697
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: we barely see. But the only reason that he, you know, says,

698
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: oh I had sex with all of Pendergast and she

699
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: gave me chlamydia was because his like shrewy mom character

700
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: was like tell me what happened. She was literally hitting

701
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: him in the hospital. Yeah, like in his hospital bed.

702
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: So like even that like little moment finds a way

703
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: to like push the blame off on a female character

704
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: we barely know, Like he wouldn't have just done it

705
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: his mom was whacking him at the hospital and then yeah,

706
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: so it's just like all these little you're just like, ah,

707
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: come on, we and I don't know, and just the

708
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know it was it made clear I was

709
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: having trouble figuring out was it implied that Lisa Kudro's

710
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: character had given Mica clamidia? What was Yes, I believe

711
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: that is. I think that's what Olive said when she

712
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: like yelled it at the teacher. She was like, your

713
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: wife gave a student clamydia. And then also the like

714
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: a kid when he's like talking on the phone to

715
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: the person who we don't know who it is yet

716
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't care that you gave me chlamydia.

717
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: I still love you. And then it cuts to Lisa Kudro,

718
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: which is just a total fumble of like handling a

719
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: storyline with a character who has uh sexually transmitted disease.

720
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: It like plays it off as a joke, and it

721
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: also serves to make Lusa Kudrow's character I think the

722
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: movie intends to like by giving her clamdia. That's like

723
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: a slut shamy like things that the movie is doing

724
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: because because she wants to make her less sympathetic, right

725
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: because she she didn't get it from Micah. Mica got

726
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: it from her. As far as we understand, she might

727
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: have gotten it from her husband, Mr Griffith, the person

728
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: that we all are supposed to love, right, but I

729
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: probably think it so I guess she got it from

730
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: someone else. Yeah, so it's like you get punished for

731
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: being for having multiple sexual partners. Yeah. It also bothered

732
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: me how like later, like Michael was exiled to like

733
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: his grandparents house in Florida or whatever, and he's still

734
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: like scratching his crotch like like as if chlamydia you

735
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: can't just get rid of it during forever. He's now

736
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: tarnished and it's gross, And I was just like, that's

737
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: not It's just like it's like the writer either was

738
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: making a joke of it or had just not even

739
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: done a light google of like what that which sucks

740
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: because it's like st D S, S, T I S,

741
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: whichever are like so stigmatized and played as a like

742
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: thoughtless joke in so many I think in like this

743
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: genre is like probably one of the more casual offenders

744
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: of just like playing it off and and it you know,

745
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: it's it's not helpful to anyone he gets. I mean, yeah,

746
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: if you if you have chlamydia, you don't have to

747
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: move to Florida. That's just what I want everyone to know.

748
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: Just like it's okay you can't get an anibiotic and

749
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: you're really just move on with your life a miracle.

750
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: We got to take another quick break, but then we'll

751
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: come right back. Can we talk about man, wow, Jamie

752
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: Not to get controversial on the pod, yes, please go on.

753
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about how boys

754
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: or men. I don't think they're supposed to be boys,

755
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: but everyone's visibly but you know how the boys who

756
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: ask all of to lie for them are portrayed in

757
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: because I thought it was like something that I had

758
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: to go back and like rewatch, especially that scene with

759
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: the Evan where we do see at every step of

760
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: the way, starting with Brandon, all of has to be convinced.

761
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: I would almost throw the word coerced out there in

762
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: some cases of to do it in the first place,

763
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: where she starts out with the very like two thousand

764
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: ten high school or thoughtless idea of like, oh, well,

765
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: you don't want people to make fun of you because

766
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: you're gay, just tell him you're straight. You're like, okay,

767
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: that's okay. But then it's like that, I mean, the

768
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: writer is pulling from his own experience from that, so

769
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, uh, if that is what's happening. But

770
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: then he you know, I feel like the reason that

771
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: it is okay for them to do that is because

772
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: they are quote unquote bullied, and so it makes it

773
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: okay for them to ask this unreasonable favor of Olive.

774
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: And like, I thought that the Evans seen stuck out

775
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: to me the most, as you know, because he asks her,

776
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: will you do this for me? She says no, fuck you,

777
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: and then he says, yeah, I mean, of course you're

778
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: saying no, I'm such a loser. Before before he says,

779
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I'll pay you a hundred dollars. Also, I don't need

780
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: your permission here, which means like, I'm going to take

781
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: advantage of your reputation and exploit it from my own

782
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: personal gain, and I'm going to do it whether you

783
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: like it or not. And she's furious with him, rightfully so.

784
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: And then he does the one guilds her and says,

785
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, he calls himself a fat piece

786
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: of ship, and then she takes pity on him, and

787
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: then she and I feel like the movie, they're like, oh,

788
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: well of course she would, you know, Like it's just

789
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: she has every right to be like, no, like, sort

790
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: this out on your own right, go you know, go

791
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: talk to Lisa Kudrow, I don't know, like and then

792
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: just you know, telling them. But but she's kind of

793
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: repeatedly guilted by these outcast, misfic guys, and it sort

794
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 1: of I mean, because this movie talks so much about

795
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: eighties tropes, it feels like almost a like a John

796
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: Hughes Nerd character that is like an character who is

797
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: like I feel entitled to this and because I can't

798
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: have it, you know, you have to do this for me.

799
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: That kind of like coercion narrative, which sucks because again,

800
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: it's like it's a there there is the opportunity here

801
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: for those themes to be like explored a little more thoughtfully.

802
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: And it's the thing that always bugs me is was like,

803
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: there's like it would be funnier too, if she was

804
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: like pushing back on this stuff instead of just folding

805
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: or like negotiating for herself. Like that's the thing that

806
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: irritated me to because there's this moment where she's like,

807
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: all right, this is happening, I'm just going to own

808
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: it and I'll just do it. But then yeah, like

809
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: we said, she's getting like cent off to the body

810
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: shop and like, you know, an AutoZone gift card or

811
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: whatever and like stuff that she can't actually use. And

812
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: I really wanted her to like build an empire and

813
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: be like, actually, you know, I want five hundred dollars

814
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: to the store that actually shop at, right, because in

815
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: that scene with Evan, she's like, Okay, I want a

816
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: hundred dollar gift card in my locker and she says, um,

817
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: but we didn't have sex. You can tell people that

818
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: you like, fondled my chest And he's like, a hundred

819
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: bucks is pretty steep for that. Can't you say that?

820
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: Like you rubbed my pants and I touched your butt

821
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, And she's just like whatever, And

822
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: it maybe it's commentary on how like girls and women

823
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: are never taught to negotiate. Who knows, it's probably not

824
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: as well. That then kind of brings up the conversation

825
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: of sex work and is this character could she be

826
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: considered a sex worker? Yeah? I mean I think so,

827
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of sex work doesn't have

828
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: to be literal sex, and a lot of it is

829
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: not a lot of it isn't, and a lot of

830
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: it is like caretaking and even helping with image and

831
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: with public persona and all of that is a huge

832
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: element of sex work. So I think, yeah, there's definitely

833
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: sex work in this movie. I would say for sure.

834
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: But then the movie also like shames sex work and

835
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: sex workers at different points. Yeah, like it calls her

836
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: says she dresses like a prostitute or she looks like

837
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: a stripper, but don't worry a high class strippers like

838
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: for governors. I think her dad says that it disappointing.

839
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: And then there's a moment where she is talking to

840
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: the ants and guy and she's like, I'm not actually

841
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: having sex with people for money, with like this tone

842
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: of disgust in her voice. It's just like another way

843
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: that this movie is trying to have it very much

844
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: both ways, where they will like go all the way

845
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: up to the line of like showing sex work, but

846
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: they won't call it that, and they have to condemn

847
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: everything else that falls under umbrella. It's only okay because

848
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: she's not actually sexual, right, And yeah, it's just Oh,

849
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: also she's given gift cards to retail stores because women

850
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: be shopping. There's I know, I'm just think that was

851
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: I was. And then like male coded stores, which they

852
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: play as a oftentimes why would a woman want to

853
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: go to home depot And it's like, okay, why bad joke,

854
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: just bad just not yeah there, Yeah, I was. I

855
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: was frustrated. I never really thought about how little she

856
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: negotiates um because that's like I feel like that raises

857
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: the stakes in a cooler way too, if she like

858
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: has this empire and there's more for her to lose

859
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: as opposed to she's just taking whatever is offered and

860
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: it's all you know, reputation game. Yeah, and I feel

861
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: like the fact that she doesn't really get anything that

862
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: she wants out of it just kind of doubles down

863
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: on the idea that you know, like she owes someone something,

864
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just it's you know. The moment

865
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: I did like was when she pays when she goes

866
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: on the date with Anson before he turns on her,

867
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: and she just pays for it with one of the

868
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: gift cards. I thought that was a cool moment where

869
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: like a lot of those movies at that time, like

870
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, see women paying for dates, and she doesn't

871
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: without making it. She's just like, yeah, I have money now,

872
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: and I'm going to just pay for this lobster din

873
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: or no problem. Um, it's kind of a badass moment,

874
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: just like keep the tip we're leaving because they go

875
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: to the lobster the Lobster Shock, and then Rhiannon's there.

876
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: I have to like sneak out when you run into

877
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: your ex Bustia lobster shop, you know, with her parents.

878
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: Also that parent drug is so corny of like we're

879
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: in California, so everyone's like naked, you're eating Payotie burgers,

880
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: right Like that was like a little I don't know.

881
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: But then I texted Michaela, who's from oh Hi, about

882
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: that scene and she was like, oh, that was the

883
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: only part that I thought they got right about. She

884
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, but you know, we don't we

885
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: all oh Hi heads way and did you feel like

886
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: that was good? Oh Hi visibility? Let us know. But

887
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: another like set of parents or adults in this movie

888
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: here were like just like so freaking cool, right because

889
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: man is as much as I love the Tooch and

890
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: he is the best part of every movie he's in.

891
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: But like the like her parents are, I don't know,

892
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: it's everyone's just it's like they're like so much of this.

893
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: You can tell that the writer of this movie has

894
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: watched a lot of Gilmore Girls based on how this

895
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: movie is written, which I love, but I feel like

896
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: they go the Gilmore Girls style of parenting too, to

897
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: the point where it seems like at some points it's

898
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: like your daughter is like having a tough time and

899
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: you just keep like poking your head and your room

900
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: being like hey, uh, don't worry by and I'm like, okay,

901
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: this is right right right that, And then a lot

902
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: of the conversations are like her parents making fun of

903
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: her for having a gay boyfriend and she like that's

904
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: not the thing, and they both do the I think,

905
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: like the casual they both are like, oh, I was

906
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: gay for a couple of weeks in college, like that

907
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: very two thousand thoughtless joke. I mean, the way queerness

908
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: is presented in general was peculiar, let's say, um, And

909
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: it is helpful to know the context of the writer

910
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: being a gay man who who is like pulling from

911
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: his personal experience and that's part of like what inspired

912
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: this story that he wrote, but again it's just kind

913
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: of under explored in the actual movie. And then the

914
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: way they talk about it as well, like the language

915
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: that gets used a lot of the times, and it

916
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: never takes challenges, you know, all of us like oh,

917
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: you know that Brandon kid and Rhanon's like, yeah, isn't

918
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: he a homo? And they like time they say like

919
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: the word homosexual with this just like hint of disdain

920
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: or dismissive and then like other otherness like oh, well

921
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: he's a homosexual. He's aid he's different, which I think

922
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: is a very two thousand ten of their like well,

923
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it, but like gross,

924
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, like having it both ways, nos

925
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: of of this like time and then yeah, the whole

926
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: we already touched on this, but like the straight person

927
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: encouraging a queer person to like suppress your sexuality, and

928
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: then he's like, oh, hadn't thought of that? You're likely

929
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: And I get like a lot of like queer young

930
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: people do end up doing that to some degree, like

931
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: in high school, because they're trying to you know, it's

932
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: a self preservation thing. They're trying to avoid being bullied

933
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But and he gives this what

934
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: I've out was like a fairly well done verge of

935
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: tears monologue where he's talking about being tormented every day

936
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: at school and you know, we can fantasize about how

937
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: things will be different one day, but this is today

938
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: and today sucks, and like, please help me, I don't

939
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. And like that wasn't that

940
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: was like a that felt like a good authentic yes,

941
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: yeah I thought so. Yeah, but yeah, I'm interested to

942
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: hear from our queer listeners how they thought queerness in

943
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: general was depicted in this movie because it just rang

944
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: a little off, it was, I mean. And also the

945
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: fact that Brandon kind of disappears after like when she

946
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: goes back to talk to him. Oh, and then there's

947
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: that very bizarre, like problematic Huckleberry Finn joke that keeps

948
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: coming back that you're just like, has he read Huckleberry?

949
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: Like it was, so Brandon is gone. He like he

950
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: finds a boyfriend, and then does he finish high school?

951
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: He seems to have run away from it, runs away

952
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: from he seems okay, so he drops out and and

953
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: and leaves. But it's like character, we just see him

954
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: in a flash forward scene with a tasteless joke and

955
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: that's the last we see you. And I think it

956
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of frames that whole thing is like a good thing.

957
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: It's almost like, look, he ran away and is in

958
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: love and everything's fine, and it's like he left his

959
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: home and he's a child and this is probably really

960
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: bad and like, but there's no nuance to it. It's

961
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: just like it's a joke. It's just a joke. Race

962
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: in general is another thing that it's not handled especially

963
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: well in this movie. Um it's a very white movie. Um,

964
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: most of the cast is white. The school that they

965
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: go to is predominantly white. I'm not sure how diverse

966
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: are like just seen in background shots at the high

967
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: school is people of color? Yeah, they're treated as like tokens,

968
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: props or punch lines. Basically all of has an adopted

969
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: brother who was black. But that just feels like a

970
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: very tokenized character with all the jokes about him being

971
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: adopted to Like that felt a little bit off to me.

972
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: I was like, how does it's played as like, Oh,

973
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: this is a jovial family moment. I'm like, but how

974
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: does he feel about these jokes? Right? All we know

975
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: about him is that he got a B plus on

976
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: his spelling test. All we find out about the whole

977
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: man He doesn't want to watch the bucket List because

978
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: why they still get Netflix DVDs in that household, and

979
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: I was like important representation, but yeah, I feel like

980
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: her brother is literally just there for Stanley to g

981
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: to be like, well, it's obvious he's adopted because he's

982
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: not white like us, Like that is the function of

983
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: that character. And then and then the way that the

984
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: Huckleberry Finn the So, how is that line first presented?

985
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it wrong. Yeah, I've got

986
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: it here because it was cringe e the first time,

987
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: and then it came back and then yeah, so here's

988
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: what happens. Early on in the movie, all of is

989
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: talking about how, oh, the books we read in school

990
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: always seem to reflect like the t and age ankst

991
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: that we're going through, because she's talking about how the

992
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: scarlet letter relates to what's happening with her, uh in

993
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: present time. And then she's like, but the exception is

994
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: Huckleberry Finn. I don't know any teenage boys who have

995
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: run away with a big, hulking black guy. And then

996
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie, Brandon has run away

997
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: from home with a black man. And then we see

998
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: them together watching Huckleberry Finn on film and they're watching

999
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: it like, oh, yeah, this is us, I guess, and

1000
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so this black guy is the punch

1001
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: line to this stupid joke that you set up and

1002
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: was stupid then and it's stupid when we see it

1003
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: again called back to and it's just like really icky

1004
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: and weird. That was like a joke that you're just like,

1005
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: has this writer read Huckleberry Finn? It just was confusing

1006
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: or ever talked to a black person? Unclear? But yeah,

1007
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean the way that the very few non white

1008
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: characters are treated are literally it's only in regards to

1009
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: their race. Yeah, here's another example. There's an Indian kid

1010
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: who gives her the off the body cue pump, and

1011
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: then she calls him amigo, and then the voiceover kicks

1012
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: in and says, I knew he wasn't Latino, but for

1013
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: some reason, all these shady backdoor deals had me talking

1014
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: like Carlito. And then she calls him essay. So it's like,

1015
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: whoof all brown people are the same that Emma Stone

1016
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: right the movie? Ah, Yeah, that seems just sucks all over,

1017
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: very not good, very very uncomfortable. Um. Yes, race in

1018
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: general is um, believe it or not not handled well

1019
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: in a movie. What believable in furiod. Yeah. The background

1020
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: on the other major credit that this writer has is

1021
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: he wrote the do you remember like the horny Charlie

1022
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: Brown play Dog Sees Gone Odd? I think that a

1023
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: lot of people did it when I was in high

1024
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: school to be edgy, but it's like Charlie Brown is

1025
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: fucked up and he's horny. And he also wrote that

1026
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,959
Speaker 1: point makes me uncomfortable. I'm probably underselling it and maybe

1027
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: it's like wonderful, but I just remember seeing it at

1028
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: like a drama competition and being like, oh my god,

1029
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: why is Charlie Brown so horny? Like he's ten? But

1030
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: you know that's and and then the director is Will Gluck,

1031
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: who also has directed Peter Rabbit and Peter Rabbit Too

1032
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: well good for him. And there you go. And that's

1033
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: the beginning, middle, and end of that incredible Yeah did

1034
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: you did? Did you have any other stuff you wanted to?

1035
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: My last thing? Yeah, it's that there's a point in

1036
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: the movie where all of notices that her name anagrams

1037
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: I love, which presents an opportunity for me to mention

1038
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: how Caitlin Durante anagrams to such things as Latin dancer,

1039
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 1: U T I one classic nine tip Dracula. I don't

1040
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: have any new ones, but I just want to These

1041
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: are the classics. Okay, this is hard John Hughes one, right,

1042
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: these are the eighties ones Lauren d Titanic. And then

1043
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: a newer one that I think maybe other people aren't

1044
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: familiar with yet is but Jamie, you know this one

1045
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: because we texted about it a Tan clarinet. I U

1046
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: D wow, I like that one. Thank you. That's really good.

1047
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: You have a perfect numbers. Yeah, I feel like mine

1048
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: would be very weird. Well, you have TSE disease, Like,

1049
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: what do you do with that? Let's find out. Just

1050
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: give me a few minutes I can. I'll work my

1051
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: magic for this topic. But yeah, I think that's it

1052
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: for me. Like the big thing with me for this

1053
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: movie is like, there need to be narratives that empower

1054
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: women's sexuality. There are almost none of them in this movie.

1055
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: Like starts to attempt to do that by calling attention

1056
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: to this double standard, but it doesn't take it far enough,

1057
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: and it still resorts to a lot of just slut

1058
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: shaming attitudes and other missteps along the way. It's weird.

1059
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: This is like kind of a funny movie to tackle,

1060
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: because I do think that it is well intentioned, but

1061
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: still kind of just indicates it of the time and

1062
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: probably of the creative team a little bit that they

1063
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: hadn't you know, fully worked out, because I would be

1064
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: very surprised if you know, they looked at this like, oh, yeah, well,

1065
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, we're not shaming anyone in this. I think

1066
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: that that's what they thought, is that they were up

1067
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: prefting Team Girls. I see what they're going for, and

1068
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: you know it was two thousand ten. Oh. Actually, my

1069
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: real last thought is this, Um. I always appreciate when

1070
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: a teen movie does not end in like prom or

1071
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: some kind of like passion graduation see, which they totally

1072
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: could have done. They could have done. Um. Instead, it

1073
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: ends with the weird the vlog. Prior to that, it's

1074
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: that weird like big musical number at the PEP rally,

1075
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: and then it's her like riding off into the sunset

1076
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: with her new hetero boyfriend. Like I feel would rather

1077
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: end in graduation than as a John Hughes movie, right,

1078
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: I feel like, actually the way I saw it ending

1079
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: was that it ends with a vlog, which I actually

1080
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: think is really powerful. Like I think my last thought

1081
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: is something I think the film did well, which is

1082
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: the reference to the Scarlet Letter, which to be fair,

1083
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: I haven't read, but my understanding is that in the

1084
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: Scarlet Letter, you know, she's forced to wear the A

1085
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: because she's like a supposed adulter, and so she has

1086
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: to wear this A, and the A is kind of

1087
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: like this punishment. And then I think there's something in

1088
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: the way that Emma Stone decides to label herself with

1089
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: the A and everyone hates her for that, and I

1090
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: think there is a really powerful statement on like women

1091
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: owning their sexuality and having that not be okay that

1092
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: I think the movie does a good job of pointing out.

1093
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, and in a way, the vlog like

1094
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: kind of couching this story is like the ultimate way

1095
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: of Emma Stone trying to own her own narrative and

1096
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: take it back from all these people that have, you know,

1097
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: made it about themselves. And so in that way, if

1098
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: you see the ending of the film, I mean, it

1099
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: does have that little John Hughes like tacked on bit

1100
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: after the blog the vlog, but I think the vlog

1101
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: frame was actually really like a cool thing. I did

1102
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Yeah, I really liked that and I genuinely

1103
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: like where the movie lands on the topic of their

1104
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: just like you know that ending line where she's like,

1105
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: I might lose my virginity today six months from now

1106
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: on my wedding night. It's no one's goddamn business. That's

1107
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: an awesome message to end on. And I just wished

1108
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: that everything that happened before it was before a little

1109
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: more consistently. But I do that's like stuff like that

1110
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: where you're like, this, it was really they were trying,

1111
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: and it wasn't it was it was not Brianna's forgives her.

1112
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: I think she like apologizes or although I'm Brianna has

1113
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: as much to apologize to there, but they're talking in

1114
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 1: there like sidekick all caps apology, I am sorry. Maybe

1115
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: I'll move you back into my top eight now. But

1116
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: well so that's a great point though, about like her

1117
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: like taking like she she's like, here's my version of

1118
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: the story, and I'm telecasting it out. She's basically making

1119
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: a podcast if we think about it. But she's like,

1120
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: I want the truth out there. I do really enjoy that.

1121
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: But the romantic storyline did feel a little wedged in,

1122
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: and I think it was like a studio I think

1123
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: it might have been. I didn't hate the way. I

1124
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: mean again, it was like it wasn't the worst teen

1125
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: comedy romantic shoehorns subplot of all time. But you know,

1126
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: I didn't have to be there. It would have been

1127
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: more powerful if the movie just ended with her being like, yeah,

1128
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: here's my story and I'm telling it in you guys

1129
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: are going to college by She didn't have that line

1130
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: in there where she was like now that I was

1131
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: like seeing us such like a slut in school, like

1132
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: no one actually wanted to date me, which is kind

1133
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: of her motivation for going out with Anson. Again, it

1134
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: didn't really come from anywhere, so I did feel kind

1135
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: of shoved in there, But I did think that was

1136
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: like an interesting point of just like how even perceived

1137
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: sexually active girls are the country. Yeah exactly, that's like

1138
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: my Donna horror thing. Yeah, it's trying this movie and

1139
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: and and it is like, I mean when we talk

1140
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: about this all the time, but like movies that are

1141
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: well intentioned but flawed in this way, for for movies

1142
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: that are well intentioned and slightly less flawed, progress is slow.

1143
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: And I think that scene, my favorite scene, I think

1144
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: is when she comes out after having sex with Brandon,

1145
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: and he just so clearly contrasts the two experiences of

1146
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: Brandon coming out the hero and her coming out and

1147
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: no one's talking to her. Some girls give her side

1148
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: and she kind of sneaks out of the party like

1149
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: like she did something wrong, and that seemed to me

1150
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: felt really really progressive for that time. Oh, pretty good movie.

1151
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. But is it an A? Maybe? Not? Well?

1152
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of let's right, but before we do that, does

1153
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: this movie pass the Bechtel tests? It definitely does? It does?

1154
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah multiple times between Olive and Rhiannon, although they often

1155
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: talk about George, the fake boy that she didn't but

1156
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: George is more of an idea that's true, so is

1157
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: it does it count an idea? Olive and Marianne talk,

1158
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: although they mostly talk about how God he pronouns is

1159
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: judging Olive and then like Olive and her mom talk,

1160
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: but they often talk about Brandon. So a lot of

1161
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: the conversations are about boys and men, but they're definitely

1162
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: exchanges that pass yeah yeah between multiple characters. So does

1163
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: it get an A? Or five nipples on our nipple

1164
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: scale zero to five nipples based on this representation of

1165
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: women um, I give it like a it's a half.

1166
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: It's like in the middle, it's like really especially two

1167
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: and a half, it's it's trying. It's two thousand and ten.

1168
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: You know, we've only barely started trying to progress as

1169
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: a society in this year, so it's doing it's best,

1170
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: and it's best is not very good by our standard.

1171
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: And a good point about all the other women in

1172
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: the movie. You know, it's like a stone maybe pretty good,

1173
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: everyone pretty villainized. Are are made to see him and

1174
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: even in some ways, even in the ways that are

1175
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: high school realistic, they're just it just doesn't the writing

1176
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: doesn't go quite fair depth given to it. It is

1177
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: all even if it's like realistic, it's still not really

1178
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: realistic because there's no depth or backstory or motivation. It's

1179
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: all just like they come off mean a very mean

1180
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: and very petty super official And I think that the

1181
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: male characters are kind of given a free past the

1182
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: especially like Evan that kind of like he manipulated her,

1183
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: and I mean that kind of reminded me of Emma

1184
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: Stone's storyline in Super Bad, except in this one she

1185
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: loses where you know, like the Jonah Health character is

1186
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: like you never have a Kushia me, I'm a loser

1187
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: and then she's like but in super Bad, it's actually

1188
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: a little bit better because she's like, no, I don't

1189
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: like you because you are fucking rude, and he's oh,

1190
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: but then they still end up together ish or something,

1191
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: but forget but at least he doesn't, you know. It

1192
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: was like he doesn't get what he wants. In the

1193
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: same scene, I don't know, literally two sentences after threatening her,

1194
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: right right, and then she's like, oh, I guess I

1195
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: feel bad for you, right right. Yeah. So I think

1196
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: that that the boys trying to coerce all of our

1197
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: kind of made to be more jokey than being examined

1198
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: for being extremely fucking entitled. Yeah. Yes, I'll give it

1199
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: a two and a half because I think the intention

1200
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: of the movie is to expose like women are punished

1201
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: for being sexually active, but it just didn't really go

1202
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 1: all the way. Um, so two and a half nipples,

1203
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: and I will give one to Amanda Binds, not her

1204
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: character but her as a person, actually her her character

1205
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: and she's the man gets one of my nipples. Um,

1206
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go ahead and give Stanley Tucci another one.

1207
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: Of my nipples and then I'll give my half nipple.

1208
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: I'll give it to that poor little brother who, just

1209
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: like Dame. You don't even remember what's his name? Justice

1210
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: for a little brother, Chip. I guess his name was Chip.

1211
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember here in Chip, but that was that

1212
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: was his name. Uh yeah, I'm gonna go to a

1213
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: half as well. I think that this movie has its

1214
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: heart in the right place. I would wager that it's

1215
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: at least attempting to do more than most movies in

1216
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: We're attempting. I think that it's it's always good to

1217
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: have a female lead comedy. It's not super common, and

1218
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: this movie falls heavier on the comedy side than the

1219
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: romance side, which is nice. Um, it's cool that. I mean,

1220
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: this movie almost definitely made way for more movies like

1221
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 1: it because it was super successful. It was like eight

1222
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: million dollar budget, seventy five million dollar box office, so

1223
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, I it has its place in time. There's

1224
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: a lot there's I would say about half of it

1225
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: doesn't really sit that well. But it's been almost ten

1226
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: years since this movie came out. For its time, I

1227
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: think it was a valiant effort and we we we

1228
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: soldier on to better more fun movies for everyone involved.

1229
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: We got to do Blockers sometimes soon we gotta do anyway,

1230
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: let's just say about that movie. I've watched Blockers. I

1231
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: think I've only seen it on planes, but I've seen

1232
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: it too, right, yeah, and was like, oh, this will

1233
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: be fun. It's like perfect plane movie. It's wild. It

1234
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: was sometimes when I'm like, oh this movie was made

1235
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: for planes, I'm not sure. Um, yeah we'll get but yeah,

1236
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: i'll do. I'll do two and a half and I'll

1237
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: give I'm gonna give two to Emma Stone this movie,

1238
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: Like what Rewatching it reminded me like why people love

1239
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: her so much? Like she's she's fun to watch, She's

1240
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: very funny. I think that like a lesser actress in

1241
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: this part would have been like, you know, cringeing, and

1242
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: it would have you know, So give two to Emma

1243
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I'll give the other half to Ali Michalca.

1244
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: Sure glad to see she's thriving ten years ago. I

1245
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: don't know she's doing fun. Oh gosh, Well, I want

1246
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: to be different. But I feel like two and a

1247
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: half is like pretty perfect for this because it is

1248
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: trying really hard. I feel like it does a good

1249
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: job with like both like toxic masculinity and slut shaming

1250
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: female like all of that it does, it's it's hinting

1251
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: at it. So I was pleased with that. And I

1252
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: remember when I watched it when I was younger, feeling,

1253
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: particularly with Emma Stone, like I was a very big,

1254
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, reputed slut in high school too, and so

1255
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: I really related to that and related to the fact that, like,

1256
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just it made me feel good

1257
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: better about myself, I think when it first came out.

1258
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, so two and a half, I feel like

1259
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Um, I definitely want to give one

1260
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: to Patricia Clarkson because I feel like, even though she

1261
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: does end up kind of slut shamy at the end, overall,

1262
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: it was nice to see a mother care actor who

1263
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: wasn't like forcing like puritanical standards on a daughter, which

1264
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 1: I feel like is really often portrayed in movies, especially

1265
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: back then, and so it was kind of nice to

1266
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: have a mom who, like, although she didn't fully get there, um,

1267
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: she was trying to get there and you know, and

1268
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: you know she's like, oh, you can have a boy

1269
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 1: in your room and you know he's gay. But at least,

1270
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Um, I feel like there

1271
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: was there was something there, and then you know, I

1272
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: want to give one to Emma Stone's lingerie because I

1273
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: think that was a really that was really I really thought,

1274
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: like the first moment when she walked to school in

1275
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: a corset, I was like, Oh, there's gonna be a

1276
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: whole dress code thing about this, right, um and uh,

1277
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: And I thought it was cool how she just kind

1278
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: of like owned wearing lingerie to high school and totally

1279
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: rocked that. Um so, I think that deserves a nipple

1280
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: to hell. Yeah, I liked that they during the like

1281
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: montage where she's like re vamping her wardrobe. You see

1282
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: the bag, it's like, oh high launder ray, Like sure,

1283
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: it sounds like a business day, Like how did she

1284
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: afford all this nice lunch? Yea that everyone is as

1285
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: a wealthy person. I guess no team comedy that's true

1286
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: for oh Hi. I mean I guess she's maybe on

1287
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: the like she's in rich Oh Hi, it would appear.

1288
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: There's I mean so many teams. I'm like, please more

1289
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: team comedies that don't take place in like upper class,

1290
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: because most team comedies don't work just the way that

1291
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: they're written unless it's taking place in an upper class setting,

1292
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 1: because uh, you know, Shenanigans are expensive. I don't know,

1293
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: like really what, but but it is like from I

1294
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 1: mean even I had the same criticism for a book smart.

1295
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: It is just like every like this movie doesn't work

1296
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: if people don't have infinite privilege to fall back on.

1297
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: So you know, well someday, someday, but that's easy. A

1298
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: gang that there it is. They did their best and

1299
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: we respect it. ASA. Thank you so much for being here,

1300
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: for having me. This is really fun. Tell us, tell

1301
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: us about your book. Yeah, my book. It's a memoir.

1302
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: It's funny, it's great. Thank you. Um. I'm I'm scared

1303
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: for it to come out, but I'm also really excited.

1304
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: I hope it. Like you know, I talk a lot

1305
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: about being a slit in high school in it, so

1306
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: it's very relevant, too easy. I talked a lot about

1307
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: the rumors going around that somewhere true, somewhere it's so true. Um,

1308
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: and then kind of just like always being labeled the

1309
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: slut and how that kind of like made me realize,

1310
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, I kinda want to go into sex

1311
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: work and seeing kind of what happens next? So yeah, excellent,

1312
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: Please by the book watch cam on Netflix if you

1313
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: haven't already. It is great. And where can people follow

1314
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: you on the social media's Yes, I'm at Issa is

1315
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:56,839
Speaker 1: wrong awesome self blaming. I was wrong about everything always

1316
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: all the time. I have no idea what I'm doing,

1317
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: stumbling a lot. Thank you so much, thank you, thank

1318
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: you so much for coming. So glad we've finally got

1319
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: to do the movie we did? Yeah, are you happy? Geez?

1320
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: It was fun. I don't know why we avoided it

1321
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: for You can follow us online at Beckdel Cast on

1322
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: almost all of the platforms and Twitter, Facebook, if you're

1323
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: still on that website, Instagram, the whole bit. You can

1324
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: pledge to our patreon ak Matreon, it's five dollars a

1325
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: month to get to to bonus episodes every month to

1326
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: patreon dot com slash Bechtel cast uh, and then if

1327
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: you want some merch, you can go to t public

1328
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: dot com slash v Bechdel Cast. And I think that

1329
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: that's all our pluggies. How do we Oh god, it

1330
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: was hard to open, and now how do we should

1331
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: have practiced? I know we really should have done something

1332
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: like a little coordinated number. We should have closed. So

1333
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: what is the song that she sings at the end?

1334
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,799
Speaker 1: They must have How about this? I got a pocket,

1335
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: got a pocket for ascension. I know there was Yeah, classic.

1336
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: I gotta love that. I know there's a classic, sure

1337
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: for sure. Okay, bye bye,