WEBVTT - CLASSIC: What is Adrenochrome? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:05.000 Fellow conspiracy realists, Welcome back to our classic episodes. Back 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:09.200 in twenty twenty one, we, like so many other in 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:14.640 conspiratorial circles, became fascinated by the idea of a mysterious 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:16.840 substance called adrenochrome. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.279 Yeah, guys, right, which is real? Well, ye, it's definitely real, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.240 and we've seen it sort of fictionalized in many ways 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.280 in like you know, fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.720 Not that was fictionalized exactly. They were definitely doing weird drugs, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.519 but that was my first, you know, experience of that. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.400 And then you start to see it pop up in 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.360 a lot of conspiracy talk about it being the thing 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.320 that has harvested you know, from what is it? Like 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:42.680 children and stuff? 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, victims of but usually the young ones. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.800 You'll find people that will swear on their family members 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.200 that this is a real thing that is happening in 0:00:54.240 --> 0:01:00.520 elite circles, that people are being abused and either or 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:04.840 sacrificed to get this stuff. I remember, guys, back then, 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.040 there were articles in places like Wired that were taking 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.840 it pretty seriously, at least the conspiracy theories that were 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:11.600 floating around. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.080 Yeah, and we also know, it's been mentioned before, way 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.800 before the conspiratorial interest in it. It was mentioned in 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.800 numerous works of literature, from Fear Loathing in Las Vegas 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:30.400 to the Doors of Perception. So lo these five years ago, folks, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.440 we got together and we said, what's going on? What 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.280 exactly is this? Why do people believe it's a drug 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:42.959 used by hopelessly addicted elites? So check it out. Let 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:44.960 us know if you were as freaked out as we were. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.120 Doesn't it kind of change things a little bit with 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.600 some of the revelations of the Epstein group and everything, 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.080 and like what he was, I don't know, ugh, And 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:55.200 that's making me rethink it. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.680 Well, it doesn't. It certainly doesn't seem super far fetch, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.960 and it never really did in a way. But then 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.160 things go through that conspiratorial game of telephone and get 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.720 blown away out of proportion. But there is something to 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.200 be said about like harvesting the blood of the young. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.200 We know that all these millionaires do that pretty openly, 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:16.959 so why wouldn't this be a thing. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.760 So let's roll the tape. We can't wait to hear 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:27.240 what you think. From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.240 history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.440 now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.200 A production of iHeartRadio. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.440 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:51.560 my name is Nolach. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.320 They called me Ben. We're enjoyed as always with our 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:59.400 super producer Paul. Mission control decands most importantly, you are you, 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.080 You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:04.200 want you to know. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:04.880 Folks. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.600 We have a lot of interesting conversations off air, and 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:09.160 not all. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.119 Of them make it on air. But we, like many. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.120 Other folks in the audience today, have been talking a 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.000 lot about the effects of money. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:19.400 We did an. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.200 Episode a few years back called being wealthy make You 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.160 a Bad Person or something, and the science is surprisingly 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:32.560 depressing and pretty solid. But I think our conclusion was 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.800 it doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. It just 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.720 makes it much easier for you to become a bad 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:43.440 person or behave in uncool ways. But that's like an 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.680 open secret. It's not even a secret that money can 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.280 make you increasingly disconnected from the world around you. You 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:55.040 get surrounded by opulent things, you have a bunch of syncophants, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.440 and yes, folks, and you're able to do whatever you want, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.400 often without consequences that can make people jaded. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.640 The old Ivory Tower situation. Yeah, and it's pretty it applies. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.320 I mean, it's literally like you have the resources to 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.760 kind of wall yourself in, whether physically or socially or economically. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.760 And then like your old friends from you know, when 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.960 you were poor, they don't want to hang out with 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:19.680 you anymore because you've changed. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.160 Yeah, and you know, as many of our YouTube commenters 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.640 have noticed recently and said out loud, we have that 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.279 McDonald's money now, so we get. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.520 Right, Oh, we've got the juice. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.440 It's also the only point I would expand on there 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.960 is that Sadly, another open secret is that the rags 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:47.279 to riches stories are much less common than the media 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.320 would have us believe. So often, if you lose touch 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.440 with your old friends, they're your old friends from Phillips, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.800 Exeter or Harvard business and you're just out of touch. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.040 But you're right, you're right, we do. We have that 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.520 McDonald's money now, and we've you know, got like I 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.799 got really into faberge eggs and monocles. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.240 What weird things have you guys gotten into? 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.640 Oh? Well, I don't know bout you guys, But I'm 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.120 really enjoying my golden arches and blazoned Cadillac. And then 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.240 I was gifted by the corporation as we refer to it. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.719 And yeah, I've been getting McDonald's pizzas delivered to me 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:29.000 from twenty ten or whenever it was. They're still good, 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:29.640 by the way. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:30.320 Awesome. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.720 Yeah, that's what happened to them. If you want to 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.240 check out more to. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.200 Learn this, check out the podcast that we. 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.640 Just learned about today, Whatever happened to pizza at McDonald's. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.320 No spoilers other than that. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.440 There are one hundred and seventy seven episodes, so get ready. 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:48.559 But you're right. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.520 We as people look for new experiences, and when you 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:57.440 have access to so many experiences so easily, you get 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.560 a little jaded. You want new levels of exclusive. I 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.920 don't want to own a parrot anymore. What's the most 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.719 endangered illegal bird? I want to own that and I 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.000 want to teach it to dance with my tiger. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:10.240 Ah. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.960 Yes. And you know, another important thing is that wealth 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.600 often comes over time and with age, and as you're 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.520 getting older, you're thinking about a lot of things. One 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:26.240 of the major topics on your mind is self preservation. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.640 Right, So I feel like another way to phrase that, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.840 too is new escapes. And one of the big escapes 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.040 is an escape for mortality. So it's no surprise does 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.560 some very wealthy or very powerful people get into really 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.040 weird esoteric stuff. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.600 And there is nothing wrong with that. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.479 It's just stuff that's merely out of the reach for 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.000 most of the public. Like you buy a dirigible, you're 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.960 not hurting anybody. It's just most people can't buy an airship. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.599 But also, let's just say too, when we're talking about 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.160 these types of you know, escapes from mortality, they could 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.680 just be really expensive skin care products. They could just 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:08.160 be you know, really really pricey spa vacations, things like that. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.600 Mud baths that the average person couldn't afford. Doesn't necessarily mean, 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.760 you know, drinking the blood of virgins or children. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:21.560 But today's story is about the dark side of elite hobbies. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:27.920 It's a tale about shadowy, secretive acts, a new unholy combination, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:33.240 the bleeding edge of modern science and allegedly ancient rites. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:34.760 You see, folks, you. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:38.560 May have heard recently that there's a hot new drug, 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.080 or I should say a hot new drug making the 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:46.440 rounds amid the uppest of the upper crust. It's called 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.040 a draino chrome. Here are the facts. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.080 A draina chrome. You may this word might be ringing 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:54.920 some bells. We'll get to that in a sec but 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.320 here is the official story. First things first, it is real. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.920 It is a chemical compound that's produced by the breakdown 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:08.840 of naturally occurring epinephrine adrenaline. It's created both synthetically and 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.640 in small amounts inside the human body and other mammals 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.680 as well. The first synthesis lab creation of epinephrine was 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.760 in nineteen oh four, and synthetic epinephrin hit the market 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.680 in nineteen oh six. So to convert the epinephrin to adrenochrome, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.200 all you have to do is allow it to oxidize. 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:34.200 You essentially manufacture an oxidization reaction with another compound called 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.640 silver oxide. So what are the effects on humans. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:43.360 Well, there's been some testing quite quite a bit, but 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.240 not as much as you may think on this substance. 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.000 And we'll get into the reasons why testing on this 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.360 substance isn't widespread. But you can use this stuff in 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:58.760 labs for all kinds of varying research projects. Really, researchers 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.760 have found that there are a few uses for it medically. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.440 But again, this isn't It's not like this stuff is 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.160 being used all around the world to test for one 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:10.160 specific thing. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.920 Yeah, yeah, this is funny. It reminds me a little 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.079 bit of the story of cream of tartar, which some 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.680 of us may have in our pantries today. Cream of 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.720 tartar is like a byproduct of wine production. It's the 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.320 gunk left over in the barrels of wine, and it's 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.439 used for a couple of specific things. But is it 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.840 considered a staple, you know what I mean? 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.280 I would argue no. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:41.479 For many people, dream new chrome is kind of chemically 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.200 it's kind of like that, like they know how it's made, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.959 they know the bodies produce it, they know it has 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.920 maybe a couple of medical uses, but there's not like 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.440 it's not like the silver bullet or miracle cure for 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:59.840 something at this point officially. But wait, so there are 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:07.000 also some dangers, possibly some downsides to humans being exposed 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:11.760 to too much adrenochrome. There were some small scale studies 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:17.040 back in through the fifties to about the seventies. Lets 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.640 say small, we mean fewer than fifteen test subjects. Here 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.120 and these studies appeared to show this substance could trigger 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:31.000 some psychotic reactions. They were phrased as like disassociation. There 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.920 were two psychiatrists, Abram Hoffer and Humphrey Osmond, back in 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.960 the fifties who claimed that adrenochrome can form in the 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:43.920 brain and may play a role in some specific mental illnesses. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:48.000 And through these studies they found that a few fairly 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:53.800 common things could actually assist in curing schizophrenia by two 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:58.400 things vitamin C and niacin. Interesting, right, two things we've 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.120 heard of before, Two things that exist in a lot 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:03.720 of energy drinks. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:04.800 And scientology treatments. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.560 Yeah, it's also like a popular thing to take if 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.680 you're trying to purge yourself for a drug test. I've 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.880 heard like people take lots of nisin because it makes 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.080 you like sweat out the impure. But it's also kind 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.079 of questionable as to whether that actually works or not. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.000 It doesn't work, now, anybody who's look, if it doesn't work, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:23.640 find an excuse. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.880 To put off the test, give yourself a couple of days. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:26.360 Yeah. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:30.040 But the reason why vitamin C in nyson were important there, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.960 or at least the thinking here in this research, was 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.600 that they would reduce adrenochrome levels in the subject. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:38.520 Yeah. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.600 They called this the adrenochrome hypothesis, which, fun fact, is 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.760 also the name of the math rock album that we 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.959 were working on in our spare time. The time signatures 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.760 are crazy. Well, it's just like three tracks. One is 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.719 two minutes long, the other two or forty two minutes long. 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.680 Honestly, it's it's it's more laborious that it is fun 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.720 for me to try and get some of these time 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.080 signatures in my drumming. Ben and I really, you know, 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.520 I appreciate like what we're trying to do, right man. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:15.400 Yeah, yeah, the track number three forty two minute ones, 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.319 which is just called time signatures. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.839 I think we should explore a different direction there, but. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.480 At least reduce it by like twelve minutes or something. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:23.800 I don't know. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.960 Whoa, hey, WHOA. All right, we'll put a pin in that. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:27.760 We'll shop it. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.960 But there's one problem with this study, even though it 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:37.199 sounds pretty interesting right. Later studies tried to reproduce this 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:42.760 megavitemin treatment as a way to address schizophrenia, and they 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:48.240 were not able to confirm any significant benefits any positive effects, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.920 making it at best maybe a placebo or implying that 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.880 there was something off about the methodology of the folks 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:02.160 behind the hypothesis still matter because at the same time, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:06.920 we have other things happening in Western culture, and this 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.439 is hugely important. We have a long like a long 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:15.880 running kind of in joke in English literature where in 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:25.000 multiple authors are using the phrase adrenochrome to describe some 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:30.760 sort of some sort of enigmatic drug. Like think about 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.800 how if you're familiar with The King in Yellow, the 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.360 entirety of the story of the King in Yellow, the 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:43.920 original anthology is about this play that you can't read 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:49.480 because it will drive you mad, and so adrenochrome kind 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.520 of plays that role here. In a lot of literature, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:57.400 it's described as the druggist of drugs, the most hallucinogenic 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:58.880 of hallucinogens, right. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:02.920 And all this. Hucks actually mentions this in an essay 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.520 that he wrote called The Doors of Perception, which you know, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.800 obviously the band the Doors took their name from, and 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.920 he refers to it thusly says, then came the discovery 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:16.280 that adrenochrome, which is a product of the decomposition of adrenaline, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.840 can produce many of the symptoms observed in mescaline intoxication, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.000 but adrenochrome probably occurs spontaneously in the human body. In 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.160 other words, each one of us may be capable of 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.760 manufacturing a chemical minute, doses of which are known to 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.920 cause profound changes in consciousness. 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.800 Does that Does that sound like anything familiar to anyone 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.520 that we just spoke about about the way DMT is 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:46.000 described by many folks and also noticed there may is 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:51.680 used several times. And yeah, remember this is Huxley speculating. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.200 Yeah, and let's not forget I mean, like drugs are 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.360 a huge part of Huxley's body of work in terms 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.840 was it soma I believe in a brave new world 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:00.920 that sort of like made everybody It was sort of 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.320 the opposite of what a psychedelic does. Psychedelic is supposed 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.160 to open your mind and make you think about the 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.840 greater world, where as Selma was literally like an anti 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.640 psychedelic which sort of closed your mind in and made 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.200 you falsely, you know, complacent. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.920 Yeah, and we also have to point out, as far 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:20.080 as every researcher knows, Aldus Huxley himself never took a 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.280 drain and chrome, which is part of why those maze 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.840 are popping up in his essay. He also in this 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:30.600 work doesn't explore how someone would obtain this substance. He 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.920 just says, like from that quotation, it's spontaneously produced, like 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.600 the MT from the human body. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.720 And it just one last thing to remember here, Huxley 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.240 is writing about something that is being tested. There is 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.040 research going into this thing. He wrote Doors of Perception 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.760 in fifty four and it's a known quantity, so he's 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.800 he's pulling from something that is just beginning to be understood, right, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.440 And then those studies we mentioned before aren't till the think. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:03.280 I think it's fifties, sixties and seventies where those days occurring. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.800 So just remember that, like it's an author, a brilliant mind, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:12.440 grabbing from a piece of science that is just beginning. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.920 Right with a lot of unanswered questions. And then we 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:20.920 fast forward. Hunter S. Thompson, gonzo journalist. I think he's 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:26.000 a phenomenal writer. He also gives Adreynochrome a little bit 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.280 of a nod. For many people in the West, either 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.160 the book Fear and Loathing Las Vegas or the film 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.640 is going to be the first time they may have 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.440 heard of this substance unless they were an older person. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.320 It certainly was for me, and I would love it 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.160 very much if we could just like steal a quick 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.800 clip from the scene in question. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:48.680 That stuff makes pure mescal and seem like ginger beer man. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.440 A dream of chrome, A dream of chrome. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.240 In the book, the specific quote from the character is 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.640 doctor Gonzo is, there's only one source for this stuff, 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.480 the adrenaline glands from a living human body. It's no 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.600 good if you get it out of a corpse. And 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.520 then there are more mentions about this throughout literature, both 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:13.119 nonfiction and fiction. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:13.840 Yep. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.159 And just remember there again, I hate to be the 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.600 time bandit over here or whatever. I don't know. No, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.720 I'm not a time bitit, the time master or whatever. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.480 That was written in nineteen seventy one. So just leaving 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.760 that out there. We've jumped now towards the towards actually 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.960 the end of those studies that were being done. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.560 We mentioned, yeah, we're jumping around. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.480 I have these like we've got four examples and I 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.080 have them kind of jumping around in time. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:41.000 A little bit. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.040 Part of it was part of it was based on 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.240 how explicit the mentions were. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.399 Oh yeah, no, no, totally, and that's totally fine. What 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.480 I'm saying is when we're thinking about how these authors 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.800 are writing from or where they're pulling it from, it's 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.080 just interesting to have that in the back of your mind. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:05.639 Oh sure, yeah, like in Doctor's Sleep. That'll be another 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.040 cultural touch point later on in the show. We know 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:13.359 in a Clockwork Orange, I believe in the film adaptation 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:18.520 as well as the novel, there's the popular milk based 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.080 cocktail Molco Plus, and it has a just like a 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.239 smoothie bar. They've got a couple add ons you can 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.000 put in, and one of those is called Dreadcrumb. 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.360 Drend Crumb. You pointed that up in and it came 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.760 flashing back. We got vella set sent the me esque 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.560 and Drendcrumb absolutely clearly a reference to what we're talking 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:37.080 about today. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.159 And that book, by the way, I don't know if 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.359 we ever talked about it, but I think that's when 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.320 when it was originally published, they removed the last chapter 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.440 of the story, which makes it completely changes the whole 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:51.000 thing anyway. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.200 Anyway, Yeah, oh, the Redemptive of the Redemption arc essentially. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.159 Right, right, right, So another book from the seventies, nineteen 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.440 seventy three called League Highs there's a guy named Adam Gottlie. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:08.920 This is nonfiction but very opinionated. He describes adrenochrome as 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.040 physically stimulating. He says it gives you a feeling of 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:16.400 well being, and he implies there's some disassociation. He says, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.879 there's a slight reduction in thought processes. We don't know 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.240 if he ever took this substance or if it was 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.239 just based on hearsay. We do want to mention that 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.600 there are other things mentioned in that book, like catnip. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:29.639 I don't know. 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.200 If you try catnip once, never do it again. 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.199 Never again. Yeah, it certainly does make the creatures of 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.919 the feline persuasion go nuts. I heard a thing on 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.520 in PR the other day about what it is. It's 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.680 like almost like heroin, Like it affects their receptors in 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.679 a similar way to like opioids. And there's some study 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.440 about I'm sorry, I have to look it up after 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.920 we get off, but there's some new information out there 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.439 about how catnip affects the brains of cats, and you know, 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:55.480 like nothing else. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.439 Finally, right, people need to know. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.840 Now you may at this point be saying adrenochrome this 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:08.359 sounds interesting. I love the authors you named. It's a 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.440 shame that I'm not hip enough or enough of a 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.400 literati or a scientist to buy it. Well, good news 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.879 kind of. You can literally buy this stuff if you 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.600 want some, you just hop online. I tried it unsuccessfully. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:25.879 You tried it to buy it. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:26.919 I tried to buy it. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.399 Yeah, I always try it when we do stuff like this, 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.280 like when we did transcranial. 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:41.440 Oh tds wows yep tDCS. Yeah, it is true. It's 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.879 it's a chemical compound that is created in many biolabs. 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.159 There's one specifically. I think this is the one. I 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:49.760 don't know if this is the one you tried. But 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.119 there's a place called Santa Cruz Biotechnology. Is that Is 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:54.080 that the place you went to? 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.000 Yes, there's one of the places. It was a bummer, okay, 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.679 so their prices I went there because their prices are 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:04.400 pretty cool. Just for twenty five Just for fifty five 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:09.120 bucks US, you can get twenty five milligrams of adrenochrome. Unfortunately, 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:14.720 it appears they mainly sell to quote unquote labs quote 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.680 unquote qualified medical researchers. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.400 With all kinds of safety favor I know. Well, it's 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.159 funny though, that you know, if you ever heard anybody 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:27.440 talk about like these like research chemicals. Right, there are 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:34.240 a lot of lab created analogs to psychedelics and methymphetamine 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.600 and things like that that are legally obtainable if you 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.920 have the right credentials, which you can, you know, fudge, 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.360 there are ways to get it. I've not saying I've 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.800 known any characters that fooled around with anything like that, 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.960 but they are out there, and things like two CI 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.760 and two CB that are these these you know, synthetic 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.720 analogs to highly powerful psychedelics. 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.720 And nigh impossible to regulate because it's just so easy 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.920 to make one little analogue. Yeah, that's legally different and 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:04.880 not scheduled. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.040 Here's a fun fun thing that I found here, Ben. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:13.320 If you go to scbt dot com, which is where 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:17.320 the Santa Cruz Biotechnology it's their site, and you you know, 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.159 you want to add something to your cart, like adrenochrome, 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.880 it down below has a thing that says you may 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:29.639 also like like like a recommendation of Facebook resume recommendation 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.480 or something down here. You know you got in in 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:40.879 tacapone toll capone, uh you zero five two one That 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.240 sounds interesting in o R. Four eighty six, all kinds 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.879 of chemical compounds that you can just add to your 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.160 cart and purchase. 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:51.040 All the hits. Uh. 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.480 If you have again a quote unquote lab and or 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.320 quote well whatever, I just is standing in the way 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:04.160 of progress, folks. I my penchant for self experimentation. Aside 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:09.080 officially from what we understand, adrenochrome is it has uses, 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.679 like Matt said earlier, but it's not super useful. The 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:16.200