Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realists, Welcome back to our classic episodes. Back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, we, like so many other in
Speaker 1: conspiratorial circles, became fascinated by the idea of a mysterious
Speaker 1: substance called adrenochrome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, right, which is real? Well, ye, it's definitely real,
Speaker 2: and we've seen it sort of fictionalized in many ways
Speaker 2: in like you know, fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: Not that was fictionalized exactly. They were definitely doing weird drugs,
Speaker 2: but that was my first, you know, experience of that.
Speaker 2: And then you start to see it pop up in
Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracy talk about it being the thing
Speaker 2: that has harvested you know, from what is it? Like
Speaker 2: children and stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, victims of but usually the young ones.
Speaker 3: You'll find people that will swear on their family members
Speaker 3: that this is a real thing that is happening in
Speaker 3: elite circles, that people are being abused and either or
Speaker 3: sacrificed to get this stuff. I remember, guys, back then,
Speaker 3: there were articles in places like Wired that were taking
Speaker 3: it pretty seriously, at least the conspiracy theories that were
Speaker 3: floating around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we also know, it's been mentioned before, way
Speaker 1: before the conspiratorial interest in it. It was mentioned in
Speaker 1: numerous works of literature, from Fear Loathing in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: to the Doors of Perception. So lo these five years ago, folks,
Speaker 1: we got together and we said, what's going on? What
Speaker 1: exactly is this? Why do people believe it's a drug
Speaker 1: used by hopelessly addicted elites? So check it out. Let
Speaker 1: us know if you were as freaked out as we were.
Speaker 3: Doesn't it kind of change things a little bit with
Speaker 3: some of the revelations of the Epstein group and everything,
Speaker 3: and like what he was, I don't know, ugh, And
Speaker 3: that's making me rethink it.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't. It certainly doesn't seem super far fetch,
Speaker 2: and it never really did in a way. But then
Speaker 2: things go through that conspiratorial game of telephone and get
Speaker 2: blown away out of proportion. But there is something to
Speaker 2: be said about like harvesting the blood of the young.
Speaker 2: We know that all these millionaires do that pretty openly,
Speaker 2: so why wouldn't this be a thing.
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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 3: my name is Nolach.
Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're enjoyed as always with our
Speaker 1: super producer Paul. Mission control decands most importantly, you are you,
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Speaker 4: Folks.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of interesting conversations off air, and
Speaker 1: not all.
Speaker 4: Of them make it on air. But we, like many.
Speaker 1: Other folks in the audience today, have been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about the effects of money.
Speaker 4: We did an.
Speaker 1: Episode a few years back called being wealthy make You
Speaker 1: a Bad Person or something, and the science is surprisingly
Speaker 1: depressing and pretty solid. But I think our conclusion was
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. It just
Speaker 1: makes it much easier for you to become a bad
Speaker 1: person or behave in uncool ways. But that's like an
Speaker 1: open secret. It's not even a secret that money can
Speaker 1: make you increasingly disconnected from the world around you. You
Speaker 1: get surrounded by opulent things, you have a bunch of syncophants,
Speaker 1: and yes, folks, and you're able to do whatever you want,
Speaker 1: often without consequences that can make people jaded.
Speaker 2: The old Ivory Tower situation. Yeah, and it's pretty it applies.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's literally like you have the resources to
Speaker 2: kind of wall yourself in, whether physically or socially or economically.
Speaker 2: And then like your old friends from you know, when
Speaker 2: you were poor, they don't want to hang out with
Speaker 2: you anymore because you've changed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, as many of our YouTube commenters
Speaker 3: have noticed recently and said out loud, we have that
Speaker 3: McDonald's money now, so we get.
Speaker 4: Right, Oh, we've got the juice.
Speaker 1: It's also the only point I would expand on there
Speaker 1: is that Sadly, another open secret is that the rags
Speaker 1: to riches stories are much less common than the media
Speaker 1: would have us believe. So often, if you lose touch
Speaker 1: with your old friends, they're your old friends from Phillips,
Speaker 1: Exeter or Harvard business and you're just out of touch.
Speaker 1: But you're right, you're right, we do. We have that
Speaker 1: McDonald's money now, and we've you know, got like I
Speaker 1: got really into faberge eggs and monocles.
Speaker 4: What weird things have you guys gotten into?
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I don't know bout you guys, But I'm
Speaker 2: really enjoying my golden arches and blazoned Cadillac. And then
Speaker 2: I was gifted by the corporation as we refer to it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I've been getting McDonald's pizzas delivered to me
Speaker 3: from twenty ten or whenever it was. They're still good,
Speaker 3: by the way.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened to them. If you want to
Speaker 1: check out more to.
Speaker 4: Learn this, check out the podcast that we.
Speaker 1: Just learned about today, Whatever happened to pizza at McDonald's.
Speaker 4: No spoilers other than that.
Speaker 1: There are one hundred and seventy seven episodes, so get ready.
Speaker 4: But you're right.
Speaker 1: We as people look for new experiences, and when you
Speaker 1: have access to so many experiences so easily, you get
Speaker 1: a little jaded. You want new levels of exclusive. I
Speaker 1: don't want to own a parrot anymore. What's the most
Speaker 1: endangered illegal bird? I want to own that and I
Speaker 1: want to teach it to dance with my tiger.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 3: Yes. And you know, another important thing is that wealth
Speaker 3: often comes over time and with age, and as you're
Speaker 3: getting older, you're thinking about a lot of things. One
Speaker 3: of the major topics on your mind is self preservation.
Speaker 1: Right, So I feel like another way to phrase that,
Speaker 1: too is new escapes. And one of the big escapes
Speaker 1: is an escape for mortality. So it's no surprise does
Speaker 1: some very wealthy or very powerful people get into really
Speaker 1: weird esoteric stuff.
Speaker 4: And there is nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: It's just stuff that's merely out of the reach for
Speaker 1: most of the public. Like you buy a dirigible, you're
Speaker 1: not hurting anybody. It's just most people can't buy an airship.
Speaker 2: But also, let's just say too, when we're talking about
Speaker 2: these types of you know, escapes from mortality, they could
Speaker 2: just be really expensive skin care products. They could just
Speaker 2: be you know, really really pricey spa vacations, things like that.
Speaker 2: Mud baths that the average person couldn't afford. Doesn't necessarily mean,
Speaker 2: you know, drinking the blood of virgins or children.
Speaker 1: But today's story is about the dark side of elite hobbies.
Speaker 1: It's a tale about shadowy, secretive acts, a new unholy combination,
Speaker 1: the bleeding edge of modern science and allegedly ancient rites.
Speaker 4: You see, folks, you.
Speaker 1: May have heard recently that there's a hot new drug,
Speaker 1: or I should say a hot new drug making the
Speaker 1: rounds amid the uppest of the upper crust. It's called
Speaker 1: a draino chrome. Here are the facts.
Speaker 2: A draina chrome. You may this word might be ringing
Speaker 2: some bells. We'll get to that in a sec but
Speaker 2: here is the official story. First things first, it is real.
Speaker 2: It is a chemical compound that's produced by the breakdown
Speaker 2: of naturally occurring epinephrine adrenaline. It's created both synthetically and
Speaker 2: in small amounts inside the human body and other mammals
Speaker 2: as well. The first synthesis lab creation of epinephrine was
Speaker 2: in nineteen oh four, and synthetic epinephrin hit the market
Speaker 2: in nineteen oh six. So to convert the epinephrin to adrenochrome,
Speaker 2: all you have to do is allow it to oxidize.
Speaker 2: You essentially manufacture an oxidization reaction with another compound called
Speaker 2: silver oxide. So what are the effects on humans.
Speaker 3: Well, there's been some testing quite quite a bit, but
Speaker 3: not as much as you may think on this substance.
Speaker 3: And we'll get into the reasons why testing on this
Speaker 3: substance isn't widespread. But you can use this stuff in
Speaker 3: labs for all kinds of varying research projects. Really, researchers
Speaker 3: have found that there are a few uses for it medically.
Speaker 3: But again, this isn't It's not like this stuff is
Speaker 3: being used all around the world to test for one
Speaker 3: specific thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is funny. It reminds me a little
Speaker 1: bit of the story of cream of tartar, which some
Speaker 1: of us may have in our pantries today. Cream of
Speaker 1: tartar is like a byproduct of wine production. It's the
Speaker 1: gunk left over in the barrels of wine, and it's
Speaker 1: used for a couple of specific things. But is it
Speaker 1: considered a staple, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I would argue no.
Speaker 1: For many people, dream new chrome is kind of chemically
Speaker 1: it's kind of like that, like they know how it's made,
Speaker 1: they know the bodies produce it, they know it has
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of medical uses, but there's not like
Speaker 1: it's not like the silver bullet or miracle cure for
Speaker 1: something at this point officially. But wait, so there are
Speaker 1: also some dangers, possibly some downsides to humans being exposed
Speaker 1: to too much adrenochrome. There were some small scale studies
Speaker 1: back in through the fifties to about the seventies. Lets
Speaker 1: say small, we mean fewer than fifteen test subjects. Here
Speaker 1: and these studies appeared to show this substance could trigger
Speaker 1: some psychotic reactions. They were phrased as like disassociation. There
Speaker 1: were two psychiatrists, Abram Hoffer and Humphrey Osmond, back in
Speaker 1: the fifties who claimed that adrenochrome can form in the
Speaker 1: brain and may play a role in some specific mental illnesses.
Speaker 3: And through these studies they found that a few fairly
Speaker 3: common things could actually assist in curing schizophrenia by two
Speaker 3: things vitamin C and niacin. Interesting, right, two things we've
Speaker 3: heard of before, Two things that exist in a lot
Speaker 3: of energy drinks.
Speaker 4: And scientology treatments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also like a popular thing to take if
Speaker 2: you're trying to purge yourself for a drug test. I've
Speaker 2: heard like people take lots of nisin because it makes
Speaker 2: you like sweat out the impure. But it's also kind
Speaker 2: of questionable as to whether that actually works or not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work, now, anybody who's look, if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: find an excuse.
Speaker 4: To put off the test, give yourself a couple of days.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the reason why vitamin C in nyson were important there,
Speaker 3: or at least the thinking here in this research, was
Speaker 3: that they would reduce adrenochrome levels in the subject.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They called this the adrenochrome hypothesis, which, fun fact, is
Speaker 1: also the name of the math rock album that we
Speaker 1: were working on in our spare time. The time signatures
Speaker 1: are crazy. Well, it's just like three tracks. One is
Speaker 1: two minutes long, the other two or forty two minutes long.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's it's it's more laborious that it is fun
Speaker 3: for me to try and get some of these time
Speaker 3: signatures in my drumming. Ben and I really, you know,
Speaker 3: I appreciate like what we're trying to do, right man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the track number three forty two minute ones,
Speaker 1: which is just called time signatures.
Speaker 4: I think we should explore a different direction there, but.
Speaker 3: At least reduce it by like twelve minutes or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Whoa, hey, WHOA. All right, we'll put a pin in that.
Speaker 2: We'll shop it.
Speaker 1: But there's one problem with this study, even though it
Speaker 1: sounds pretty interesting right. Later studies tried to reproduce this
Speaker 1: megavitemin treatment as a way to address schizophrenia, and they
Speaker 1: were not able to confirm any significant benefits any positive effects,
Speaker 1: making it at best maybe a placebo or implying that
Speaker 1: there was something off about the methodology of the folks
Speaker 1: behind the hypothesis still matter because at the same time,
Speaker 1: we have other things happening in Western culture, and this
Speaker 1: is hugely important. We have a long like a long
Speaker 1: running kind of in joke in English literature where in
Speaker 1: multiple authors are using the phrase adrenochrome to describe some
Speaker 1: sort of some sort of enigmatic drug. Like think about
Speaker 1: how if you're familiar with The King in Yellow, the
Speaker 1: entirety of the story of the King in Yellow, the
Speaker 1: original anthology is about this play that you can't read
Speaker 1: because it will drive you mad, and so adrenochrome kind
Speaker 1: of plays that role here. In a lot of literature,
Speaker 1: it's described as the druggist of drugs, the most hallucinogenic
Speaker 1: of hallucinogens, right.
Speaker 2: And all this. Hucks actually mentions this in an essay
Speaker 2: that he wrote called The Doors of Perception, which you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the band the Doors took their name from, and
Speaker 2: he refers to it thusly says, then came the discovery
Speaker 2: that adrenochrome, which is a product of the decomposition of adrenaline,
Speaker 2: can produce many of the symptoms observed in mescaline intoxication,
Speaker 2: but adrenochrome probably occurs spontaneously in the human body. In
Speaker 2: other words, each one of us may be capable of
Speaker 2: manufacturing a chemical minute, doses of which are known to
Speaker 2: cause profound changes in consciousness.
Speaker 3: Does that Does that sound like anything familiar to anyone
Speaker 3: that we just spoke about about the way DMT is
Speaker 3: described by many folks and also noticed there may is
Speaker 3: used several times. And yeah, remember this is Huxley speculating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's not forget I mean, like drugs are
Speaker 2: a huge part of Huxley's body of work in terms
Speaker 2: was it soma I believe in a brave new world
Speaker 2: that sort of like made everybody It was sort of
Speaker 2: the opposite of what a psychedelic does. Psychedelic is supposed
Speaker 2: to open your mind and make you think about the
Speaker 2: greater world, where as Selma was literally like an anti
Speaker 2: psychedelic which sort of closed your mind in and made
Speaker 2: you falsely, you know, complacent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we also have to point out, as far
Speaker 1: as every researcher knows, Aldus Huxley himself never took a
Speaker 1: drain and chrome, which is part of why those maze
Speaker 1: are popping up in his essay. He also in this
Speaker 1: work doesn't explore how someone would obtain this substance. He
Speaker 1: just says, like from that quotation, it's spontaneously produced, like
Speaker 1: the MT from the human body.
Speaker 3: And it just one last thing to remember here, Huxley
Speaker 3: is writing about something that is being tested. There is
Speaker 3: research going into this thing. He wrote Doors of Perception
Speaker 3: in fifty four and it's a known quantity, so he's
Speaker 3: he's pulling from something that is just beginning to be understood, right,
Speaker 3: And then those studies we mentioned before aren't till the think.
Speaker 3: I think it's fifties, sixties and seventies where those days occurring.
Speaker 3: So just remember that, like it's an author, a brilliant mind,
Speaker 3: grabbing from a piece of science that is just beginning.
Speaker 1: Right with a lot of unanswered questions. And then we
Speaker 1: fast forward. Hunter S. Thompson, gonzo journalist. I think he's
Speaker 1: a phenomenal writer. He also gives Adreynochrome a little bit
Speaker 1: of a nod. For many people in the West, either
Speaker 1: the book Fear and Loathing Las Vegas or the film
Speaker 1: is going to be the first time they may have
Speaker 1: heard of this substance unless they were an older person.
Speaker 2: It certainly was for me, and I would love it
Speaker 2: very much if we could just like steal a quick
Speaker 2: clip from the scene in question.
Speaker 1: That stuff makes pure mescal and seem like ginger beer man.
Speaker 4: A dream of chrome, A dream of chrome.
Speaker 1: In the book, the specific quote from the character is
Speaker 1: doctor Gonzo is, there's only one source for this stuff,
Speaker 1: the adrenaline glands from a living human body. It's no
Speaker 1: good if you get it out of a corpse. And
Speaker 1: then there are more mentions about this throughout literature, both
Speaker 1: nonfiction and fiction.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And just remember there again, I hate to be the
Speaker 3: time bandit over here or whatever. I don't know. No,
Speaker 3: I'm not a time bitit, the time master or whatever.
Speaker 3: That was written in nineteen seventy one. So just leaving
Speaker 3: that out there. We've jumped now towards the towards actually
Speaker 3: the end of those studies that were being done.
Speaker 4: We mentioned, yeah, we're jumping around.
Speaker 1: I have these like we've got four examples and I
Speaker 1: have them kind of jumping around in time.
Speaker 4: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Part of it was part of it was based on
Speaker 1: how explicit the mentions were.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, no, totally, and that's totally fine. What
Speaker 3: I'm saying is when we're thinking about how these authors
Speaker 3: are writing from or where they're pulling it from, it's
Speaker 3: just interesting to have that in the back of your mind.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, like in Doctor's Sleep. That'll be another
Speaker 1: cultural touch point later on in the show. We know
Speaker 1: in a Clockwork Orange, I believe in the film adaptation
Speaker 1: as well as the novel, there's the popular milk based
Speaker 1: cocktail Molco Plus, and it has a just like a
Speaker 1: smoothie bar. They've got a couple add ons you can
Speaker 1: put in, and one of those is called Dreadcrumb.
Speaker 2: Drend Crumb. You pointed that up in and it came
Speaker 2: flashing back. We got vella set sent the me esque
Speaker 2: and Drendcrumb absolutely clearly a reference to what we're talking
Speaker 2: about today.
Speaker 1: And that book, by the way, I don't know if
Speaker 1: we ever talked about it, but I think that's when
Speaker 1: when it was originally published, they removed the last chapter
Speaker 1: of the story, which makes it completely changes the whole
Speaker 1: thing anyway.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, oh, the Redemptive of the Redemption arc essentially.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, So another book from the seventies, nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three called League Highs there's a guy named Adam Gottlie.
Speaker 1: This is nonfiction but very opinionated. He describes adrenochrome as
Speaker 1: physically stimulating. He says it gives you a feeling of
Speaker 1: well being, and he implies there's some disassociation. He says,
Speaker 1: there's a slight reduction in thought processes. We don't know
Speaker 1: if he ever took this substance or if it was
Speaker 1: just based on hearsay. We do want to mention that
Speaker 1: there are other things mentioned in that book, like catnip.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If you try catnip once, never do it again.
Speaker 2: Never again. Yeah, it certainly does make the creatures of
Speaker 2: the feline persuasion go nuts. I heard a thing on
Speaker 2: in PR the other day about what it is. It's
Speaker 2: like almost like heroin, Like it affects their receptors in
Speaker 2: a similar way to like opioids. And there's some study
Speaker 2: about I'm sorry, I have to look it up after
Speaker 2: we get off, but there's some new information out there
Speaker 2: about how catnip affects the brains of cats, and you know,
Speaker 2: like nothing else.
Speaker 4: Finally, right, people need to know.
Speaker 1: Now you may at this point be saying adrenochrome this
Speaker 1: sounds interesting. I love the authors you named. It's a
Speaker 1: shame that I'm not hip enough or enough of a
Speaker 1: literati or a scientist to buy it. Well, good news
Speaker 1: kind of. You can literally buy this stuff if you
Speaker 1: want some, you just hop online. I tried it unsuccessfully.
Speaker 3: You tried it to buy it.
Speaker 4: I tried to buy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always try it when we do stuff like this,
Speaker 1: like when we did transcranial.
Speaker 3: Oh tds wows yep tDCS. Yeah, it is true. It's
Speaker 3: it's a chemical compound that is created in many biolabs.
Speaker 3: There's one specifically. I think this is the one. I
Speaker 3: don't know if this is the one you tried. But
Speaker 3: there's a place called Santa Cruz Biotechnology. Is that Is
Speaker 3: that the place you went to?
Speaker 1: Yes, there's one of the places. It was a bummer, okay,
Speaker 1: so their prices I went there because their prices are
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Just for twenty five Just for fifty five
Speaker 1: bucks US, you can get twenty five milligrams of adrenochrome. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it appears they mainly sell to quote unquote labs quote
Speaker 1: unquote qualified medical researchers.
Speaker 2: With all kinds of safety favor I know. Well, it's
Speaker 2: funny though, that you know, if you ever heard anybody
Speaker 2: talk about like these like research chemicals. Right, there are
Speaker 2: a lot of lab created analogs to psychedelics and methymphetamine
Speaker 2: and things like that that are legally obtainable if you
Speaker 2: have the right credentials, which you can, you know, fudge,
Speaker 2: there are ways to get it. I've not saying I've
Speaker 2: known any characters that fooled around with anything like that,
Speaker 2: but they are out there, and things like two CI
Speaker 2: and two CB that are these these you know, synthetic
Speaker 2: analogs to highly powerful psychedelics.
Speaker 1: And nigh impossible to regulate because it's just so easy
Speaker 1: to make one little analogue. Yeah, that's legally different and
Speaker 1: not scheduled.
Speaker 3: Here's a fun fun thing that I found here, Ben.
Speaker 3: If you go to scbt dot com, which is where
Speaker 3: the Santa Cruz Biotechnology it's their site, and you you know,
Speaker 3: you want to add something to your cart, like adrenochrome,
Speaker 3: it down below has a thing that says you may
Speaker 3: also like like like a recommendation of Facebook resume recommendation
Speaker 3: or something down here. You know you got in in
Speaker 3: tacapone toll capone, uh you zero five two one That
Speaker 3: sounds interesting in o R. Four eighty six, all kinds
Speaker 3: of chemical compounds that you can just add to your
Speaker 3: cart and purchase.
Speaker 4: All the hits. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you have again a quote unquote lab and or
Speaker 1: quote well whatever, I just is standing in the way
Speaker 1: of progress, folks. I my penchant for self experimentation. Aside
Speaker 1: officially from what we understand, adrenochrome is it has uses,
Speaker 1: like Matt said earlier, but it's not super useful. The
Speaker 1: main medical use you'll see is too slow blood loss.
Speaker 4: It does this by.
Speaker 1: Assisting with the synthesis of these fats that are called prostaglandins,
Speaker 1: that those are the blood collodding parts. And then it
Speaker 1: can also help with the inhibition of COMT that's something
Speaker 1: that deactivates certain neurotransmitters. All pretty much like, no, we'll
Speaker 1: say it's not hyperbolic. All of the online sellers that
Speaker 1: we found noted that their stuff was synthetic. It's lap created,
Speaker 1: It's identical to the stuff that would occur in mammals.
Speaker 1: Like it's literally it's not a it's not a hair off,
Speaker 1: it's literally the same stuff.
Speaker 3: What is their phrasing here? Uh, there's a there's a
Speaker 3: FAQ at the bottom that at that scbt dot com
Speaker 3: and it says is this is this the naturally occurring
Speaker 3: type or synthetic? It says. The response is, thank you
Speaker 3: for your question. Adrenochrome this version is chemically synthesized.
Speaker 1: Meaning created in the lap by humans. So there's another
Speaker 1: question though, this question hopefully everybody saw coming. What if
Speaker 1: people are already secretly using adrenochrome for something else. It's
Speaker 1: weird because, look, we had that relatively dry, important and
Speaker 1: factual explanation of adrenochrome. But when you look at the
Speaker 1: works of literature versus the works of science, it almost
Speaker 1: seems like they're talking about two all together different substances.
Speaker 1: So is the stuff being sold online the same stuff
Speaker 1: mentioned in these works of fiction. A lot of people,
Speaker 1: and I mean a lot of people guys will tell
Speaker 1: you this is not the case. YouTuber Liz croakn is
Speaker 1: someone that you can look up if you want to
Speaker 1: dive deeper into this. But the question is this, what
Speaker 1: if in opulent mansions, secret compounds, and hidden bunkers all
Speaker 1: across the planet, shadowy members of the business community, celebrities, politicians,
Speaker 1: decay aristocrats, and more are all secretly partying with adrenochrome,
Speaker 1: and if so, where do they get it? Well, answer
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Speaker 1: it gets crazy.
Speaker 3: All right, everyone, this is a big one. We're jumping
Speaker 3: in too. This is a dive like swan swan like
Speaker 3: dive directly into this. Are you ready, good form, Matt,
Speaker 3: good form?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Thanks?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So here is the idea that you will find spread
Speaker 3: all across social media and from YouTube to TikTok to
Speaker 3: you know, Facebook, all over the place. This is the
Speaker 3: This is the tale that the world's upper class, the elite,
Speaker 3: that that point one percent of the point one percent
Speaker 3: they are using adrenochrome. This is the this is the
Speaker 3: story that's told instead of you know, this weird compound
Speaker 3: that can be used for a couple of things. This
Speaker 3: thing is some kind of drug that is like the
Speaker 3: one that's described by these other authors, but it's also
Speaker 3: got something else. There's something else to it that has
Speaker 3: to do with staying younger, being like, there's a vitality
Speaker 3: giving aspect to it. The biggest thing here is that
Speaker 3: you can't get adrenochrome, the true kind, from you know,
Speaker 3: some lab that's creating it synthetically. You have to get
Speaker 3: this stuff from a young person usually.
Speaker 1: Or a mammal that's close to humans, like a pig. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to get a fresh baked during Illuminati inspired
Speaker 1: and or Satanic rituals or you know, for some people
Speaker 1: in that community, that's a six on one hand, half
Speaker 1: a dozen in the other. But during these rituals, allegedly,
Speaker 1: these adrenochrome addicts subject a person or multiple people to
Speaker 1: severe levels of trauma and torture, and this is to
Speaker 1: force their adrenal glands to produce what will become the adrenochrome.
Speaker 1: We should mentioned like it's supposed to be a highly
Speaker 1: addictive psychedelic, which is weird because we don't know anywhere
Speaker 1: in scientific literature another example of a highly addictive psychedelic.
Speaker 1: There aren't people out on the streets like slapping the
Speaker 1: inside of their elbow because they need their LSD injection, right.
Speaker 1: It just they don't work that way mechanically or chemically.
Speaker 4: I should say.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of like the idea of drinking
Speaker 2: somebody's fear. I don't know if you remember the episode
Speaker 2: of Are You Afraid of the Dark with the creepy
Speaker 2: doctor character with the beard. I think his name was
Speaker 2: zar do tzar do or something like that, and he
Speaker 2: has a little cafe out in the woods and he
Speaker 2: has the best soup in town. And spoiler alert or
Speaker 2: are You Afraid of the Dark? Turns out it's made
Speaker 2: by siphoning people's fear and and and and creating a
Speaker 2: very potent liqueur that he then like does a little
Speaker 2: drop of and everyone just loves the soup.
Speaker 3: And we can keep making references like this because I
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about Monsters, Inc. That I've recently watched, because
Speaker 3: I've got a five year old where where fear is
Speaker 3: the power the power source for an entire like world
Speaker 3: or realm, I guess.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, and the uh and fear is the fear
Speaker 1: is the bread and butter of it or also known
Speaker 1: as Pennywise in the Stephen King novel, I mean.
Speaker 3: In the military industrial complex.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's a common u It's a common
Speaker 1: trope because it's a great piece of a story. So
Speaker 1: the problem is the people they're torturing, allegedly are children
Speaker 1: because according to the elites who are into this, they're
Speaker 1: they're considered capable of producing more pure high potency adrenochrome.
Speaker 1: So for people who believe this theory. This is an
Speaker 1: explanation for disappearances of children around the world, as well
Speaker 1: as sex trafficking rings. They're also not They're not just
Speaker 1: accused of harvesting adrenal glands or harvesting children for drenochrome.
Speaker 1: They're also accused of taking their blood to to elongate
Speaker 1: their own lives and harvesting organs. Of course, but who
Speaker 1: are these elites we see elites? All people's elites are
Speaker 1: not the same, right, Like we can agree maybe the
Speaker 1: Pope and uh some members of royalty, but not all
Speaker 1: are elites.
Speaker 4: But who else?
Speaker 2: Well, many of the folks that you hear lumped in
Speaker 2: with a lot of these QAnon kind of conspiracies that are,
Speaker 2: you know, allegedly eating babies and wearing their faces as
Speaker 2: masks and doing Satanic rituals involving cannibalism and pedophilia. Folks
Speaker 2: like Bill and Hillary Clinton our podcast cohorts.
Speaker 3: Actually well, yeah, well it's interesting, right. Let's leave that
Speaker 3: there for a moment, because, in a moment of full
Speaker 3: disclosure to everyone, as as Noel said, both Bill and
Speaker 3: Hillary have podcasts on our network that I believe have
Speaker 3: both been announced. I know Hillary's is live.
Speaker 2: Bill's went live yesterday.
Speaker 3: See, so we and we're doing this episode right now,
Speaker 3: tell you about this stuff with these people who are
Speaker 3: considered the nefarious ones in this theory.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And at the same time this show, the three of
Speaker 3: us have made episodes specifically on Bill and Hillary Clinton
Speaker 3: before where we've talked about stuff. So just you know,
Speaker 3: put that out there in case anybody wants to comment.
Speaker 2: On the one hand, it's full disclosure, but on the
Speaker 2: other hand, it's just it's fascinating. It's a fascinating place
Speaker 2: to find oneself.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the Hillary Clinton Show is in season two.
Speaker 4: I want to say, is that correct?
Speaker 2: Heading that way?
Speaker 4: Yes, Teddy though it's.
Speaker 2: Like a I think for season one just wrapped.
Speaker 1: Ah, there is so this list of celebrities also includes
Speaker 1: people like Nicholas Cage, Johnny Depp, Jim Carrey, Ellen DeGeneres,
Speaker 1: for some reason, Barack Obama when the only the only
Speaker 1: thing I noticed on this that seems that seems like
Speaker 1: a commonality other than wealth is that, Jeff. Generally, the
Speaker 1: politicians accused of doing this are going to be what
Speaker 1: we would call on the left side of politics. Right,
Speaker 1: did you guys see any right wing folks accused of this.
Speaker 3: Uh No, generally, that's that's the way it is. Because again,
Speaker 3: this everything we're talking about here spawns almost directly from
Speaker 3: Pizzagate and the Hillary Clinton email scandal and like connecting
Speaker 3: these several other things, you know, together, where the adrenal
Speaker 3: conspiracy is kind of like a child of some of those.
Speaker 1: And I would argue that goes even further back than that.
Speaker 1: In this conspiracy lore, we see we see the echoes,
Speaker 1: the ripple effects of things like the old blood libel
Speaker 1: accusations that were used. We'll talk about it later in
Speaker 1: the show, that we're used to uh oppress or justify
Speaker 1: the oppression and violence against minorities. And you know, the
Speaker 1: elite are a type of minority. They're just very privileged minoris.
Speaker 1: But then also again, what's weird about this list is
Speaker 1: it feels so arbitrary. It feels like you could just
Speaker 1: be picking people at random who tend to be in
Speaker 1: the news pretty often, you know what I mean. For
Speaker 1: people who believe this story, one of the big things
Speaker 1: is that the adrenochrome addiction will slow signs of aging.
Speaker 1: Save for and I hadn't heard about this, so I
Speaker 1: started doing research. Save for apparently bruising that appears around
Speaker 1: the left eye, specifically after prolonged.
Speaker 3: Use, and you know where that comes from.
Speaker 4: Right injecting it into the eye.
Speaker 3: No, there's another conspiracy theory about an initiation ritual dealing
Speaker 3: with bruising around generally the left eye that has occurred
Speaker 3: with many, again elite left leaning politicians and public figures.
Speaker 2: What was going on with Mitch McConnell and all his
Speaker 2: bruising that kind of came and went for that little period.
Speaker 1: Well, the story is it's it's uh speculated to be
Speaker 1: a medical condition that he got over, but when he
Speaker 1: was asked about he said his health was just fine
Speaker 1: and declined to explain any photos showing his bruised hands.
Speaker 1: So not explaining it, which I totally understand because you're
Speaker 1: a politician in this situation, but not explaining it is
Speaker 1: just feeding treats, you know, to the conspiracy trick of
Speaker 1: treaters at this point. And the good stuff too, not
Speaker 1: that not that orange and black waxy taffy crap.
Speaker 2: What is that are you talking? Oh God, you like
Speaker 2: the candy corn or the little weird pumpkins that just
Speaker 2: taste like sugary plastic. Yeah, B level Halloween candy.
Speaker 1: Uh what a what a specific insult? You, sir, are
Speaker 1: the B level Halloween candy of our friendship Halloween bag.
Speaker 4: So you're right, we've seen this.
Speaker 1: One thing I think is important for us to note
Speaker 1: here is that a lot of times when you hear
Speaker 1: things like this described, you'll see this in YouTube videos
Speaker 1: about people being in hip hop and the Illuminati. What
Speaker 1: you're seeing, the evidence presented is someone's interpretation of an image, right,
Speaker 1: like Jay Z holds his hand in a specific way
Speaker 1: in a music video. This is a dog whistled to
Speaker 1: the illuminati, says the true believer, And I would argue
Speaker 1: there's something similar going on here. But the weird thing
Speaker 1: is this addiction, if it's an addictive substance, is said
Speaker 1: to be crippling, like the withdrawal symptoms, according to the believers,
Speaker 1: are way more intense than things like meth amphetamine or
Speaker 1: crack cocaine. It seems like it would be tough to
Speaker 1: hold down a functional job if you were an adrenochroma addict, right,
Speaker 1: doesn't it seem like that would be the case.
Speaker 2: Unless you had just a steady supply and you were
Speaker 2: like the william S Burrows of adrenochrome and could just
Speaker 2: you know, get your fix readily until you you know,
Speaker 2: wither away just from like old age, like he seemed
Speaker 2: to have done. It's fascinating that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of like the best fictional trope
Speaker 2: I think for drug addicts is the vampire, because the
Speaker 2: vampire needs that ready supply of blood and if they
Speaker 2: don't have it, they start to waste away and get
Speaker 2: all pale and fatigued and they can't you know, Like,
Speaker 2: I think that's the best stand in for any kind
Speaker 2: of addiction.
Speaker 3: And again blood libel explanation coming up very very shortly here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it definitely this is the kind of thing that if
Speaker 3: you were to write it as a fictional story, this
Speaker 3: would be a great reason for anyone who needs adrenochrome
Speaker 3: to go to any lengths, great lengths to get another hit.
Speaker 4: Right because may be.
Speaker 1: In this narrative, it may be that the withdrawal symptoms
Speaker 1: for the substance are fatal, you know, because that's something
Speaker 1: that can really happen with some substances. This this is
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, but it goes further. How far well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. After a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 4: We're back.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, as we said earlier, this does tie into things
Speaker 1: like the QAnon disinfo campaign as well as the wide
Speaker 1: panopoly of COVID slash Bill Gates theories. According to one
Speaker 1: line of thought and was scouting for like the most
Speaker 1: out there ones. One line of thought says, okay, COVID
Speaker 1: was created by Bill Gates and the rest of the
Speaker 1: illuminati as either what a way to implant people with microchips,
Speaker 1: which is pretty easy disprove, or as a way to
Speaker 1: create a false flag to lock down the to do raids,
Speaker 1: black bag people execute military operations and have it all
Speaker 1: pass under the radar. And then white hats, you know,
Speaker 1: like the hacker white hats of deaf con theme, who
Speaker 1: are somehow embedded inside of this system but working against it,
Speaker 1: managed to throw a spanner into the machinery. They managed
Speaker 1: to throw some monkey wrenches.
Speaker 4: In a really weird like it would be a.
Speaker 1: Good movie, That's what I'm gonna say. It would be
Speaker 1: an interesting dystopian sci fi movie.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because there's the YouTuber that we mentioned earlier, Corkin.
Speaker 3: This is a quote from her. Ready, they tainted the
Speaker 3: elite's adrenochrome supply with the coronavirus, and that's why so
Speaker 3: many members of the elite are getting the coronavirus.
Speaker 2: So their supply like they have a communal supply, like
Speaker 2: a giant trough of the stuff or a water tower secretly,
Speaker 2: you know, secreted away in some underground cave or bunker.
Speaker 4: And how long does it keep?
Speaker 1: I thought you had to create the er and then
Speaker 1: harvest it, right, I thought it had a very short
Speaker 1: shelf life.
Speaker 3: But still, what's the cannon been? What's the cannon anyway?
Speaker 4: What's the canon? Right? Is nothing sacred?
Speaker 1: So this some people have just heard about this, maybe
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty or something. But as
Speaker 1: we've established, this has been around for a while, and
Speaker 1: you may have seen if you're a c span addict
Speaker 1: instead of an adrenochrome addict, you may have seen. One
Speaker 1: of the most high, high profile examples of this stuff
Speaker 1: getting mentioned. CEO of Google was talking with the House
Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee in twenty eighteen US House Judiciary Committee and
Speaker 1: someone there asked him about a conspiracy called Frazzle Drip,
Speaker 1: which I had not heard of.
Speaker 2: Fun to say, but when you kind of describe what
Speaker 2: it is, it makes you throw up in your mouth
Speaker 2: a little bit. The word takes on a whole new meaning.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of something like you might like refer
Speaker 2: to a really gross Internet phenomenon by a seemingly innocuous word,
Speaker 2: But then when you look it up, it gives you
Speaker 2: way more than you signed up for, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, goat see do not look that up?
Speaker 2: Do not look that up?
Speaker 3: Did you? Guys actually look at the Google trending for this,
Speaker 3: like the actual graph. I pulled it up in the.
Speaker 2: In shogram thing where it like shows the prevalence of searches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And it's it's weird because they're not giving
Speaker 3: you actual data here. They're not telling you how many
Speaker 3: thousand or million times a term was searched, but they
Speaker 3: are showing you a score of zero to one hundred
Speaker 3: as far as its popularity as a term. And right
Speaker 3: there in March of twenty nope, February right, Yeah, March
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, it has a score of two. So that's
Speaker 3: from March first to March seventh. Then you jump over
Speaker 3: to March fifteenth through the twenty first of twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: it has a score of one hundred. As in like
Speaker 3: this thing is hot fire to be searched for.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Also, there were a lot of people digging into these
Speaker 1: kind of beliefs because they were restricted at home, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Their normal routines were noted to
Speaker 1: skew but frazzle drip. Yeah, it describes a graphic, a
Speaker 1: gross thing. The idea is that somewhere hidden away on
Speaker 1: Anthony Wiener's laptop, there is a top secret video that
Speaker 1: depicts that depicts Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 1: and an aid performing a quote satanic sacrifice in which
Speaker 1: they surf a child's blood while wearing mask carved from
Speaker 1: the skin of the child's face. This was two people
Speaker 1: believe this. This was going to be smoking gun proof
Speaker 1: of an adrenochrome harvest. I just want to note, at
Speaker 1: the time of this recording, no tape like that has materialized.
Speaker 2: And it is really quickly too. The aid in question
Speaker 2: was Huma Aberdeen, who was the wife of Anthony Wiener,
Speaker 2: and he and who he cheated on with, you know
Speaker 2: his whoever he did when he said all the you know,
Speaker 2: Wiener picks. So that was a big thing in the
Speaker 2: news at the time that he had this compromise this,
Speaker 2: you know, this laptop with all of those types of
Speaker 2: images on it, but also with theoretically or allegedly compromise
Speaker 2: on other folks.
Speaker 4: So he's keeping a like blackmail essentially.
Speaker 3: The story.
Speaker 2: Come on, if this tape existed, I just we would
Speaker 2: have a screen grab. Would it doesn't exist? There's no,
Speaker 2: there's not a chance.
Speaker 3: There are many alleged screen grabs of that moment of
Speaker 3: that thing that you can find online. I would say
Speaker 3: I've gone through many of them personally, and they're there's
Speaker 3: no identify there's no way to identify the people that
Speaker 3: are in these alleged images, and they also appear to
Speaker 3: be doctored images of something completely innocuous that you can
Speaker 3: also find online.
Speaker 1: I would also say, there are many depictions of these
Speaker 1: images that you can make at home, which is what
Speaker 1: a ton of people did. So the shout out the
Speaker 1: photoshop is all I'm saying there. So these claims, that's
Speaker 1: a lot. The idea here is interesting because there's a
Speaker 1: bit of double think involved if we walk through it.
Speaker 1: The idea that adrenochrome is both a debilitating, addictive drug
Speaker 1: and a miraculous life extending serum that it can it
Speaker 1: can kill you through the you know, the sheer force
Speaker 1: of the withdrawal symptoms, but then it can also keep
Speaker 1: you alive longer than the average bear. And then the
Speaker 1: idea that it only really does the trick when it's
Speaker 1: harvested from human bodies. You can't call it a drenochrome
Speaker 1: unless it's withdrawn from the adrenochrome region of the human
Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just sparkling fear or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know. Uh, this this book by Hunter S.
Speaker 1: Thompson, Fear lowly in Las Vegas. Because of that line,
Speaker 1: and that's a pretty small line about the pineal gland,
Speaker 1: people were convinced that's where this stuff was produced. But
Speaker 1: the answer is like way less cool and third eye oriented.
Speaker 1: Adrenochrome is generated by your adrenal gland that sets on
Speaker 1: top of the renal glands. You might recognize the renal
Speaker 1: glands by their street name, the kidneys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's down here. That's low. That's low,
Speaker 3: very low in the body, different place. It's really it's
Speaker 3: really interesting just that a fiction writer can you know,
Speaker 3: plant a concept of something in our heads or their readers,
Speaker 3: I guess, or and just anyone who consumes their material
Speaker 3: no matter what medium it finds itself in, they can
Speaker 3: convince them of a complete untruth. Especially and it's the worst.
Speaker 3: It's when it's like fifty percent actual science or twenty
Speaker 3: five percent actual science. And we talk about on the
Speaker 3: show all the time. That's where there's almost always that
Speaker 3: grain of sand around which the pearl is formed. So
Speaker 3: it's just I don't know, it seems dangerous that way.
Speaker 1: Tell the truth, but tell it slants, You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So, okay, but let's dig into this. So
Speaker 1: let's do some if VENs. So all of the official
Speaker 1: science so far argues that lab synthesized and naturally produced adrenochrome.
Speaker 1: Those versions are kind of indistinguishable in terms of their effects.
Speaker 1: They do the same things. It's chemically the same stuff.
Speaker 1: But let's says it wasn't. Let's say it's somehow different.
Speaker 1: That you know it somehow matters. If you get it
Speaker 1: from a live human being, then you will experience a
Speaker 1: different an effect. Let's think of it like, let's say
Speaker 1: it's the way that the diet of a beehive will
Speaker 1: influence the taste of honey, or the kind of plant
Speaker 1: matter a cow, each will influence the taste of the milk.
Speaker 1: Let's say for some reason it's like that, how would
Speaker 1: you get the adrenochrome out? We found a really interesting
Speaker 1: answer from an expert, by the way, and because I
Speaker 1: was curious, it was like, you know, is it Is
Speaker 1: it something where there's like a little metal straw you
Speaker 1: stick in someone's neck, or do you have like a
Speaker 1: pump or.
Speaker 2: What do you do well? According to doctor Steve Middleman,
Speaker 2: who is a UCLA expert in pediatric endo chronology, he
Speaker 2: says he's never seen evidence of this practice, but if
Speaker 2: it were to occur, in the practice being extracting you know,
Speaker 2: this this substance, if it were to occur, he would
Speaker 2: kind of be the expert in how to do it correctly,
Speaker 2: and according to him, it would take a lot of doing. First,
Speaker 2: you'd have to do surgery. Like you can't just suck
Speaker 2: it out, you know, like you said, Ben, like with
Speaker 2: a straw. Remember those orange juice commercials where they stick
Speaker 2: the straw straight into the orange. I always thought that
Speaker 2: seemed really satisfying, but wouldn't work. You just get you
Speaker 2: get a straw full of pulp and no juice. So
Speaker 2: that would be kind of the equivalent here. On a
Speaker 2: really rudimentary level surgery. A second, you would have to
Speaker 2: run through a series of really complex purification steps to
Speaker 2: actually separate out the adrenochrome from all.
Speaker 4: The other juice.
Speaker 2: Uh. And then even if you had all that and
Speaker 2: all the time in the world and the equipment and
Speaker 2: the expertise, you probably wouldn't get any more than like
Speaker 2: half a milligram per child. So I think we would
Speaker 2: have a serious spike in missing children cases if this
Speaker 2: were actually happening. A lot of milk carton kids would
Speaker 2: be popping up. I don't know that I've seen that
Speaker 2: in the news.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, do you want to you want to talk
Speaker 3: about that really quickly. We've got some stats here from
Speaker 3: the FBI twenty nineteen NCIC Missing Person and Unidentified person statistics.
Speaker 3: We've talked about this on many shows, but this I
Speaker 3: think it's fascinat. I'm gonna hit you with a bunch
Speaker 3: of stats just so you get an understanding of this
Speaker 3: really quickly. So here we go. Of the six hundred
Speaker 3: and nine thousand, two hundred and seventy five records entered
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, Let's see this thing called the missing
Speaker 3: person's circumstances field within. You know, a report that's generated
Speaker 3: was utilized two hundred and ninety four thousand times, which
Speaker 3: is about forty eight percent. When it was utilized, two
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty thousand of those were coded as runaways,
Speaker 3: two thousand, four hundred as abducted by non custodial parents,
Speaker 3: and three hundred and twenty ten as abducted by stranger.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So how many milligrams are we talking about here, Matt, Well.
Speaker 3: I mean that wouldn't be many, right, Well, who knows,
Speaker 3: because that's just the official too. Well, yeah, you would,
Speaker 3: but that's the official reporting. And who knows how many
Speaker 3: of those abducted by strangers would have anything to do
Speaker 3: with that? You could? You know, how could you ever
Speaker 3: quantify that? Also? Yeah, how many of those runaways then
Speaker 3: would fit in there? These stats aren't really helpful. I'm
Speaker 3: just trying to show that there were around three hundred
Speaker 3: thousand missing persons in twenty nineteen, well that we.
Speaker 2: Know of that we know, yes, and again I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to be a jerk here, but like, how many
Speaker 2: milligrams of this stuff would it take theoretically to you know,
Speaker 2: to experience the effects uncertain.
Speaker 1: There hasn't been a The people believe that this is
Speaker 1: happening haven't had specificity in that regard.
Speaker 4: We I do.
Speaker 1: I did find records of people who said that they
Speaker 1: took adrenochrome, and the people who said, you know, I
Speaker 1: did it. I have firsthand experience with it. Their reports
Speaker 1: kind of hilarious in like it's funny because you're okay
Speaker 1: kind of way, if that makes sense. They're like, I
Speaker 1: felt like crap, I had these terrible headaches. I didn't
Speaker 1: hallucinate anything unless I was hallucinating the headaches, which I
Speaker 1: was not. They seemed very unimpressed with their adreaochrome experience.
Speaker 1: But look, if you're not getting enough, if you're not
Speaker 1: getting your milligrams for whatever dose you need from humans,
Speaker 1: then why would you not get something like the adrenal
Speaker 1: glands of a cow available at your local butcher store,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Even a grocery store can
Speaker 1: probably order them for you if you ask in advance.
Speaker 2: Well, man, that's just way less evil, right. It wouldn't
Speaker 2: have the same umami of the the avoid you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just sparkling wine, not champagne, right, yeah, not caviare.
Speaker 3: Can I now, maybe not. I was going to read
Speaker 3: something from one of these websites where we found this,
Speaker 3: you know, conspiracy theory to be out there. I don't
Speaker 3: want to go to political with it, but I just
Speaker 3: I want to read the note that's at the very bottom.
Speaker 3: This is a website that is describing what we've told
Speaker 3: you here about the theory around Adrenochrome and the elites
Speaker 3: and taking it from children. This is the disclaimer at
Speaker 3: the end says, please note the author of this article
Speaker 3: would like to remain anonymous, for she escaped one of
Speaker 3: these rituals many years ago. But after thorough investigating, we
Speaker 3: find these statements to be very much true in all caps.
Speaker 3: Just want to put that out there before we talk
Speaker 3: about the next thing.
Speaker 4: I think that's the one I sent to. I was like,
Speaker 4: this is a fun one.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, so really quickly and sorry I'm hung
Speaker 2: up on this, but I just wanted to point out
Speaker 2: that LSD and highly potent psychedelics are usually measured in micrograms,
Speaker 2: not milligrams. So one microgram is point one milligrams, so
Speaker 2: presumably a milligram of this stuff if it's a potent
Speaker 2: as LSD or some of these other substances would pack quite.
Speaker 1: A while up there, we go, Yeah, well let's look
Speaker 1: at proof. If proof exists, it's possible that there's a
Speaker 1: cultural exchange that took place, which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1: Adrenochrome's current conspiratorial status could have come from hippies and
Speaker 1: beat nicks. I mean, it's an objectively cool sounding word.
Speaker 1: It also has nothing to do with the element chromium.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 1: People may have just been using that as like a
Speaker 1: cool code word for LSD, and then the actual real
Speaker 1: adrenochrome got wrapped up in the narrative. I mean Hunter
Speaker 1: s Thompson even publicly multiple times it's like, look, I
Speaker 1: made up the effects of that adretochrome drug. I just
Speaker 1: really needed a drug that was beyond the pale. And
Speaker 1: you know I was writing fiction.
Speaker 2: Sure, and in the film and the book, I mean,
Speaker 2: the effects are really just like a super super potent
Speaker 2: dose of LSD.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would pause it. It sounds more like DMT,
Speaker 3: like the actual thing of DMT that Hunters Thompson was
Speaker 3: writing about.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, if you're if you're writing fiction,
Speaker 1: you're always looking for cool words literally, you know. So
Speaker 1: there's a bigger picture here. There may there may be
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think we can trace it
Speaker 1: back to just one thing. But we see multiple threads converging,
Speaker 1: and we see this story kind of weaving in and.
Speaker 4: Out of them.
Speaker 1: This is not a news story. Yeah, it goes back
Speaker 1: to Pizzagate. It's a repackaged version of these older accusations
Speaker 1: in the past. As we said, we're used to rile
Speaker 1: up communities to take action again persecuted minorities. One thing
Speaker 1: that's different in this case is that the subjects of
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory are some of the world's most powerful people.
Speaker 1: They're the opposite of persecuted. But the tropes and the
Speaker 1: folklore are largely familiar and unchanged. One thing has changed, though,
Speaker 1: it's a very important thing, the technology at play.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: As we said, money plus age equals putting money that
Speaker 3: you have into your research into figuring out how to
Speaker 3: not die or make life a little better in your
Speaker 3: seventies or sixties, or however old and wealthy you are.
Speaker 3: Because there are researchers all around the world that are
Speaker 3: getting money, startups that are coming through with venture capital
Speaker 3: money to find ways to extend the human lifespan and
Speaker 3: to make it just a better experience to be older.
Speaker 3: We talked about this in an older episode about I
Speaker 3: think we called it modern vampirism. There's something around that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we talked about this very real thing that got pretty
Speaker 3: popular in twenty twenty fifteen and a few years around
Speaker 3: that span, where people were talking about specifically taking young
Speaker 3: blood from a subject twenty twenty five years old and
Speaker 3: doing transfusions with an older person and then somehow that
Speaker 3: older person getting all kinds of benefits, like a fountain
Speaker 3: of youth kind of situation through sharing blood with a
Speaker 3: younger person. And this is a thing called parabiosis. It's fascinating.
Speaker 3: The concept's been around since the eighteen hundreds, this technique
Speaker 3: where you take an old subject a young subject and
Speaker 3: then connect the two circulatory systems together.
Speaker 2: I yeah, it's real. Sorry, may you said since the
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Would they have known about blood type in those days?
Speaker 3: Aha? Well, this is a really important thing. In many
Speaker 3: of these studies, you're dealing with inbred subjects, subjects that
Speaker 3: are ridiculously close genetically, so then sharing blood for those
Speaker 3: two subjects wouldn't be a big deal. However, if you
Speaker 3: tried it with just some random twenty year old and
Speaker 3: whoever you are, the odds are it's not gonna work
Speaker 3: out so great.
Speaker 1: Well, you'd have to there's a purification process. You need
Speaker 1: the plasma, right, just the straight up blood.
Speaker 4: Also, we know.
Speaker 1: The FDA originally said two of the startups who are
Speaker 1: selling this kind of this idea we also called longer
Speaker 1: life through younger blood. The FDA was quick to say
Speaker 1: they had not found any efficacy to these claims.
Speaker 4: But you can't depending.
Speaker 1: It's all about what they say this is doing, because ultimately,
Speaker 1: if two people consentually decide they're going to give each
Speaker 1: other they're gonna give each other blood, then there's not
Speaker 1: a law that can really stop them. It's still your blood,
Speaker 1: which is one of the weirdest things I've said on air.
Speaker 1: But there's ongoing research into this. You know, just last year,
Speaker 1: University of California at Berkeley decided this practice was decided
Speaker 1: this practice was legit enough in mice that it's worth
Speaker 1: finalizing clinical trials for humans. So they're going to be
Speaker 1: doing a study on this. It's not quite all the
Speaker 1: same stuff. They're diluting blood as well. It's pretty interesting
Speaker 1: we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 3: I do want to point something out here really quickly.
Speaker 3: And there were successful parabiosis studies in mice in gosh,
Speaker 3: I want to say, twenty two thousand and five maybe
Speaker 3: by this couple at UC Berkeley, and one of the
Speaker 3: main takeaways from their studies was that, yes, the older
Speaker 3: mouse who is sharing that circulatory system of the younger
Speaker 3: mouse does improve in a lot of ways. The health
Speaker 3: of the older mouse gets a lot better. And that
Speaker 3: was kind of paraded around on the news as oh
Speaker 3: my god, this is a thing, this could be a
Speaker 3: thing we can fix Bolzheimer's and getting old. What the
Speaker 3: reporting didn't look at is that the younger mouse in
Speaker 3: that scenario, the health deteriorated very quickly, rapidly and terribly.
Speaker 1: And that's that's in the case where they're so together,
Speaker 1: not where there's just a one way donation route.
Speaker 2: Yes, Ben, And you know, again, so many of these
Speaker 2: things tie into like vampirism and pop culture and you know,
Speaker 2: the some sort of malevolent sorcerer sucking the life force
Speaker 2: out of you know, some unsuspecting hero of the story.
Speaker 2: And what always happens in those situations, the person who's
Speaker 2: having their life were sucked out, withers away and becomes
Speaker 2: old and starts to like atrophy before your very eyes.
Speaker 2: You know this interesting stuff when you see you know,
Speaker 2: some of these like fantasy kind of tropes actually play
Speaker 2: out in real life experiments.
Speaker 1: And there's no at this point, there's no confirmed cases
Speaker 1: of human experimentation ongoing, like with modern technology.
Speaker 4: In this field.
Speaker 1: Just to let you know, because I know a lot
Speaker 1: of us might have been thinking about human centipede. No judgment,
Speaker 1: it just hasn't to our knowledge, happened currently. Did somebody
Speaker 1: did somebody go mad scientist or serial killer and so
Speaker 1: people together in the past. Yeah, definitely, there are billions
Speaker 1: of people who have lived and died. Someone got weird
Speaker 1: with it, certainly, But in terms of an actual medical
Speaker 1: study doing this at this point, it's not happening. There
Speaker 1: are other things, there are other anti aging things that
Speaker 1: are very real and they're on the horizon. Substances like
Speaker 1: nicotinamide rabicide, which is the active ingredient in a pill
Speaker 1: made by an opp called elysium, and then another thing
Speaker 1: called nicicotinamide mononucleotide. This is also m N. They've been
Speaker 1: shown to improve the ability of cells in mice to
Speaker 1: repair DNA damage caused by radiation exposure and wait for
Speaker 1: old age. So this is like a pill you could take,
Speaker 1: a treatment you could apply that could not only help
Speaker 1: you extend the healthy part of your life span, but
Speaker 1: it could also repair damage that had been done to you.
Speaker 1: Aka a new astronaut pill. That's what I'm thinking. That
Speaker 1: seems like the immediate application.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, that would be great. And there's
Speaker 3: also I think it's gosh, six years ago maybe, but
Speaker 3: there was a TED talk given by this guy named
Speaker 3: Tony oh lord, what was his name, Tony weiss Coore,
Speaker 3: where he was perform forming clinical studies on humans at
Speaker 3: with patients who had mild to moderate Alzheimer's disease or
Speaker 3: effects of the of that disease, and they were just
Speaker 3: taking I think it was twenty year old donors who
Speaker 3: were volunteers taking their blood and then you know, doing
Speaker 3: I guess low level transfusions with them. You can watch
Speaker 3: that Ted talk to get full info there.
Speaker 4: It's a good it's a good watch.
Speaker 1: And I just can't we can't talk about parabiosis without
Speaker 1: this image of Monty Burns jumping into my head and
Speaker 1: he's like steepling his fingers, and he's going like, yes,
Speaker 1: the blood, that's the last thing those children have or something,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it seems very culture
Speaker 1: clash Boomer v Millennial or gen z. Now the blood
Speaker 1: the last thing. Those wretched millennials, they're stolen me from
Speaker 1: me by possessing it.
Speaker 4: We'll work on the script, but there you have it.
Speaker 2: Quotes.
Speaker 1: The story of adrenochrome is the story of a real
Speaker 1: substance given a very first a badass and then a
Speaker 1: very sinister rep by various works of fiction and works
Speaker 1: of conjecture, and then those were later mistaken for fat
Speaker 1: Whereas RODGERD. Kipling would say in his famous poem if
Speaker 1: twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools. But
Speaker 1: more importantly, that does not mean elite anti aging treatments
Speaker 1: don't exist. That does not mean they are not on
Speaker 1: the way. They very much are. The first person who
Speaker 1: is functionally immortal may have already been born. But it's
Speaker 1: a question, what do you think would happen if a
Speaker 1: pill or some ongoing life extending technology or treatment existed.
Speaker 1: Do you think the average person would have access to it?
Speaker 1: Do you think they'd know about it?
Speaker 2: Well, it's the same question of the COVID vaccine, you know,
Speaker 2: and like who gets that first? It's all about scare city.
Speaker 2: Obviously most people would want that, right Is it going
Speaker 2: to be too expensive for the average of The COVID
Speaker 2: vaccine is free, but we know there are elites that
Speaker 2: are getting access to it through their secret clinics and
Speaker 2: their you know, high end healthcare plans. Probably isn't following.
Speaker 1: The rules, right, Yeah, who's that guy who faked an
Speaker 1: identity who's quite well off. He faked an identity to
Speaker 1: fly to Canada to j Simpson to take vaccines to
Speaker 1: try to get vaccinated at a place that was primarily
Speaker 1: catering to elderly and immunocompromised residents of the First Nations. Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of stuff that happens. That's an
Speaker 1: excellent example, though I would not be surprised if that's
Speaker 1: instructive for this.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, why not why not just upend the apple
Speaker 1: cart of society and make and pull like a pull
Speaker 1: like a Louis Pasteur or a Genner with the smallpox
Speaker 1: vaccine and just give it to everybody before before anyone
Speaker 1: can put up gates or barriers to access.
Speaker 4: And then see what the world's like in two hundred years.
Speaker 4: We'll we all be tired of each.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Ben, And let's not forget I mean,
Speaker 2: do we even have the resources or the infrastructure to
Speaker 2: support enough people living that many people living forever?
Speaker 3: We don't have a support structure to for everyone right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 4: Good, guys. We have the potential for that support structure.
Speaker 4: We just have a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Arguing about about whether or not, like there is enough
Speaker 1: food for everybody right now, there's enough water. We just
Speaker 1: have people arguing about whether or not people everybody should
Speaker 1: or everybody should have food. So we're still on some
Speaker 1: very basic day one questions.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if you're those it or not
Speaker 2: right now, but you're making the most serious cringe face. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was just you cringing.
Speaker 3: It looked like.
Speaker 5: Because I'm I'm thinking about all kinds of things, especially
Speaker 5: like what soil is actually going to be able to
Speaker 5: be used and you know, the phosphates.
Speaker 3: It's all good, We're fine, everything's cool everything.
Speaker 4: What about what about this?
Speaker 1: What if the deal is you can get the life
Speaker 1: extending treatment. Let's say it's not immortality. Let's say gives
Speaker 1: you five hundred years. You can get the life extending treatment,
Speaker 1: but you also have to get sterilized.
Speaker 4: Ooh, so like that's the trade off. Would that be fair?
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people would do that. I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Would have kids first and then go get stare at maple.
Speaker 2: Does that work out? I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, not over time, No, you have to. It'd have
Speaker 1: to be shorter than five hundred years for the many.
Speaker 2: But let's not forget you could still die in an accident.
Speaker 2: I mean that this wouldn't, like, you know, give you
Speaker 2: a complete like pass against death. You just wouldn't die
Speaker 2: from natural causes. Still get hit by a bus. You know.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't make you investable. I think it comes with
Speaker 3: a safe point. I mean, at that price point, you're
Speaker 3: you're you're going to need.
Speaker 2: At least one save point so you can rest a
Speaker 2: respawn situation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be in the form of a backup
Speaker 1: of your personality. A brain map that exists, a brain
Speaker 1: brain protein map that exists in the cloud or on
Speaker 1: some probably on some database, and is safe somewhere.
Speaker 3: In a spaceship in the sky in lower Earth orbit
Speaker 3: called Elysium.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it the name of the company that you were
Speaker 2: just talking about, Ben, Yeah, okay, of Filk, I I
Speaker 2: know about the Fells what I'm saying.
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