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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreger is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, Welcome Back

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Speaker 1: to the Season with Peter Schreger, a brand new episode.

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Speaker 1: As we head towards the July fourth weekend, I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people are off the next few

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Speaker 1: days and they've got long drives to see friends or

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Speaker 1: long drives to visit family, and they're just gonna listen

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Speaker 1: and binge this podcast. So I was debating whether we

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Speaker 1: do one this week, and I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think that might be the ideal time to do

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Speaker 1: a podcast heading into the holiday weekend. And we've got

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Speaker 1: a great guest in Kellen Moore, who's the new offensive

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Speaker 1: for many years as a coach, but obviously before then,

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Speaker 1: and before that he was the quarterback at Boise State,

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Speaker 1: where he started all his years there and is currently

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Speaker 1: still still holds the record for most wins as a

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Speaker 1: quarterback in college football history. Still a young guy in

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Speaker 1: his early thirties and made a big move whether it

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Speaker 1: what we had. He's no longer in Dallas after being

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Speaker 1: in Dallas his entire coaching career, and he is now

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Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Chargers with Justin Herbert. We're going

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Speaker 1: to get into a deep conversation with Kellen in a minute.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give a quick preview of what

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Speaker 1: to look for this weekend, and this is fun. Monday

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Speaker 1: Night is the party of the year. I will not

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Speaker 1: be invited. I've never been invited. None of my colleagues

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Speaker 1: in the media have been invited. But a gentleman named

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Speaker 1: Michael Rubin, who owns the company Fanatics, throws a massive

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Speaker 1: banger of a party in Bridgehampton, New York, on the water,

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Speaker 1: and I would alert everybody now to get ahead of

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Speaker 1: it now as opposed to on Tuesday morning checking TMZ

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Speaker 1: and Page six and Doumois and whatever other sites you want.

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Speaker 1: But this is the party to be at, and I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna get your Joel Embiid, your jay Z,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant in recent years. Basically Michael has two parties

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Speaker 1: a year. One of them is the super Bowl party,

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Speaker 1: which I have been to and I was lucky enough

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Speaker 1: you will never be invited to the July fourth party.

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Speaker 1: But the super Bowl party is like where they let

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Speaker 1: everyone in that you know at least knows Michael or

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Speaker 1: it's still a cool party to be at, and it

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Speaker 1: was amazing this year to go. I basically sat in

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Speaker 1: the corner talking to Damar Hamlin, Micah Parsons, Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 1: David Tepper, and you know Rich Eysen, like random, like

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Speaker 1: you just pick it out of the thing. If you've

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Speaker 1: seen this guy on TV. Have you seen this person's name?

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Speaker 1: The headlines they're at the Michael Rubin super Bowl Party.

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Speaker 1: Then the list like whittles down a lot. And he

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Speaker 1: was actually on the Barstool podcast part of my take,

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Speaker 1: and he was explaining it that he only has seventy

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Speaker 1: the leading owners and sports So I'm curiously who made

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Speaker 1: know if they have a fanatics dot com, but they

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Speaker 1: the people coming in, Like this is a bigger party

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Speaker 1: than anything at the Oscars. The Oscars. Tom Cruse didn't

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Speaker 1: party in the Hampton's in the vein of like the

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Speaker 1: have a better guest list. So I'm curiously who got

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Speaker 1: who and all that, And that's the important stuff you're

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Speaker 1: Do we think the other news?

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Speaker 3: Following up from last week's show, Do we think Victor

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Speaker 1: And then a much smaller piece of news today in

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Speaker 1: They signed big contracts with three different front office executives,

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Speaker 1: given you our July fourth party preview. And again it's

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Speaker 1: Here's Kellen Moore. So excited for our next guest. As

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Speaker 1: now he's with the Los Angeles Chargers and he's on

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Speaker 1: the season with Peter Schriger. Kellen Moore, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm fired up, so excited to have you man, And

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a cool part of your career right now.

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Speaker 1: You've left the Nest if you will, You've been in

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Speaker 1: tell us what it's been like first six months with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, it's been so much fun. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're fortunate. We're in Dallas for eight years, very much

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Speaker 2: There, had a ton of fun. Eight years in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I was fired up to be able to come down

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Speaker 2: We kind of connected last.

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Speaker 3: ton of fun just kind of building this thing from

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Speaker 1: It was fun. I was at the combine in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Is there a big ad justin period? I know, coaches

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Speaker 3: When I was in Dallas, I was fortunate I was around,

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Speaker 3: And then the third part was just hey, let's go

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Speaker 1: It's fun because I had Nathaniel Hackett on last week

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I I can hear the excitement in everybodys You

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Speaker 1: that even there? Or is it like the general store?

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Speaker 2: No?

432
00:18:37,426 --> 00:18:41,666
Speaker 3: No, McDonald's, KFC, Taco Bell. It's a it's a hybrid,

433
00:18:41,746 --> 00:18:42,546
Speaker 3: which is unique.

434
00:18:43,106 --> 00:18:43,706
Speaker 2: Starbucks.

435
00:18:44,226 --> 00:18:47,426
Speaker 1: Uh, the Bucks made it there right from stars.

436
00:18:47,546 --> 00:18:49,666
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta have a Starbucks. It's kind of on

437
00:18:49,706 --> 00:18:51,546
Speaker 3: your way from one place to the other. They snuck

438
00:18:51,586 --> 00:18:53,346
Speaker 3: a Starbucks in there, but other than that, a couple

439
00:18:53,346 --> 00:18:55,826
Speaker 3: of local restaurants and that's about it.

440
00:18:55,866 --> 00:18:57,826
Speaker 1: And I know you would go to these Boise State

441
00:18:58,106 --> 00:19:00,946
Speaker 1: youth football camps, right, is that part of your childhood?

442
00:19:00,986 --> 00:19:04,226
Speaker 1: And I guess your father would bring you to the

443
00:19:04,226 --> 00:19:06,986
Speaker 1: blue field. Like where did that Boise stay thing come from?

444
00:19:07,426 --> 00:19:10,626
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when I was really young, my dad, uh

445
00:19:10,626 --> 00:19:12,306
Speaker 3: so he was our obviously our head football coach.

446
00:19:12,346 --> 00:19:14,026
Speaker 2: They would go to like a team football camp.

447
00:19:14,106 --> 00:19:15,826
Speaker 3: So they'd bring the entire high school team to these

448
00:19:15,866 --> 00:19:18,346
Speaker 3: camps and they spend a week there and early it

449
00:19:18,386 --> 00:19:21,346
Speaker 3: was always at Boise, so they'd always go there. Uh

450
00:19:21,346 --> 00:19:23,066
Speaker 3: So we always kind of have this uh you know,

451
00:19:23,306 --> 00:19:26,026
Speaker 3: fondness of Boise. I remember it as a child child.

452
00:19:26,066 --> 00:19:29,546
Speaker 3: And so as a high school coach's kid, you kind

453
00:19:29,546 --> 00:19:31,506
Speaker 3: of what your spring breaks are and what your summers

454
00:19:31,506 --> 00:19:34,346
Speaker 3: are is pretty much hopping around to college's. Uh spring

455
00:19:34,386 --> 00:19:36,706
Speaker 3: break was usually you know, going to some college practices

456
00:19:36,746 --> 00:19:38,586
Speaker 3: and just got you know, rolling with all these high

457
00:19:38,586 --> 00:19:41,186
Speaker 3: school coaches that your dad is around. And so that

458
00:19:41,306 --> 00:19:44,066
Speaker 3: was my childhood that that was very much normalized football

459
00:19:44,106 --> 00:19:47,146
Speaker 3: for me and Uh, you know, that's that's what I did.

460
00:19:47,546 --> 00:19:50,986
Speaker 1: When you got recruited to Boise State. Is this because

461
00:19:50,986 --> 00:19:52,386
Speaker 1: I don't have the timeline in front of me. So

462
00:19:52,466 --> 00:19:55,506
Speaker 1: everyone remembers the Fiesta Ball. It's Adrian Peterson and Oklahoma

463
00:19:55,546 --> 00:19:59,186
Speaker 1: and Jared Zabranski and Ian Johnson and Boise knockoff. Were

464
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Speaker 1: you on that team? Were you being recruited to be

465
00:20:01,586 --> 00:20:03,706
Speaker 1: on that team? I know you came after Zabranski, so

466
00:20:03,706 --> 00:20:04,986
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you were like a red shirt

467
00:20:05,026 --> 00:20:05,946
Speaker 1: or your back up or what.

468
00:20:06,546 --> 00:20:06,586
Speaker 2: No.

469
00:20:06,786 --> 00:20:08,906
Speaker 3: So I'm a senior in high school. I'm at the game.

470
00:20:09,586 --> 00:20:10,826
Speaker 3: I'm down in that end zone.

471
00:20:10,946 --> 00:20:11,146
Speaker 2: Yep.

472
00:20:11,186 --> 00:20:12,826
Speaker 3: I went to the game. I was already committed to

473
00:20:12,866 --> 00:20:16,706
Speaker 3: Boise so I was. I was all wrapped up and

474
00:20:16,746 --> 00:20:19,466
Speaker 3: ready to go. And yeah, I was at the game.

475
00:20:19,586 --> 00:20:20,186
Speaker 3: It was awesome.

476
00:20:20,826 --> 00:20:22,466
Speaker 1: Saw the proposal at the end that was in the

477
00:20:22,586 --> 00:20:23,546
Speaker 1: end zone you were in or.

478
00:20:23,506 --> 00:20:25,546
Speaker 2: No, yep, I was right down that end zone. Yep.

479
00:20:25,826 --> 00:20:30,066
Speaker 1: So you get there and then Boise he becomes one

480
00:20:30,066 --> 00:20:32,546
Speaker 1: of the primitive programs in the country. You guys would

481
00:20:32,586 --> 00:20:35,466
Speaker 1: roll off the wins for the listeners. You are the

482
00:20:35,506 --> 00:20:38,146
Speaker 1: all time leader and wins as a quarterback, which is

483
00:20:38,346 --> 00:20:40,906
Speaker 1: an amazing feat and it comes up anytime a young

484
00:20:40,986 --> 00:20:43,386
Speaker 1: quarterback like Desmon Rider came out. I think he's third maybe,

485
00:20:43,426 --> 00:20:46,546
Speaker 1: And I was mentioned literally every time Ridder had anything

486
00:20:46,546 --> 00:20:49,346
Speaker 1: going on. Every time tell you somebo the Falcons, your

487
00:20:49,386 --> 00:20:52,986
Speaker 1: experience in Boise, Idaho and playing for for that team,

488
00:20:53,626 --> 00:20:55,506
Speaker 1: what would say your biggest takeaway was from that whole

489
00:20:55,626 --> 00:20:56,626
Speaker 1: entire four year span.

490
00:20:57,546 --> 00:21:01,826
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just this utopia of a culture. Chris

491
00:21:01,826 --> 00:21:04,946
Speaker 3: Pierce is the absolute best. He has this perfect blend

492
00:21:05,026 --> 00:21:08,626
Speaker 3: of you know, he spends so much time, I think

493
00:21:08,706 --> 00:21:11,226
Speaker 3: on the culture and the environment. He really calls it

494
00:21:11,226 --> 00:21:14,786
Speaker 3: an environment because everyone needs the word culture, but just

495
00:21:14,786 --> 00:21:17,786
Speaker 3: just building this environment that allows everyone to kind of blossom.

496
00:21:17,826 --> 00:21:21,226
Speaker 3: And so I always remember two things there, one being

497
00:21:21,746 --> 00:21:24,426
Speaker 3: you know, how much time he spent on building the program,

498
00:21:24,466 --> 00:21:28,626
Speaker 3: building the right kind of people. The you know, every Friday,

499
00:21:28,706 --> 00:21:30,866
Speaker 3: you know, we'd play on Saturdays, obviously, and every Friday night,

500
00:21:30,946 --> 00:21:32,986
Speaker 3: you know, you have that team meeting that everyone's supposed

501
00:21:32,986 --> 00:21:34,386
Speaker 3: to get all jacked up and fired up for a

502
00:21:34,386 --> 00:21:36,746
Speaker 3: football game on you know, right, and you're all college kids,

503
00:21:37,226 --> 00:21:39,706
Speaker 3: and we'd spend the whole time and he's talking about life,

504
00:21:39,986 --> 00:21:41,986
Speaker 3: you know, like that's what the whole means about something

505
00:21:41,986 --> 00:21:44,386
Speaker 3: different about life. It was called Bronco Magic and I

506
00:21:44,426 --> 00:21:45,986
Speaker 3: still have the sheets of paper, and it was like,

507
00:21:46,546 --> 00:21:48,026
Speaker 3: you know, it was one of the coolest things that

508
00:21:48,146 --> 00:21:49,466
Speaker 3: I thought brought perspective.

509
00:21:49,706 --> 00:21:51,986
Speaker 1: So Harry got this huge game, huge game against the

510
00:21:52,026 --> 00:21:54,426
Speaker 1: Vada coming up, and you've got the two ranked teams.

511
00:21:54,426 --> 00:21:56,506
Speaker 1: Give me on national TV, and he's given you life

512
00:21:56,546 --> 00:21:57,506
Speaker 1: lessons the night before game.

513
00:21:57,866 --> 00:22:03,266
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, some poem about life. And it was awesome.

514
00:22:03,626 --> 00:22:06,066
Speaker 3: It was absolutely awesome. It was also a unique team

515
00:22:06,106 --> 00:22:09,866
Speaker 3: because as most people probably no Boise, Idaho doesn't exactly

516
00:22:09,866 --> 00:22:12,746
Speaker 3: have twenty Division one players rolling around, you know, the state,

517
00:22:12,786 --> 00:22:15,786
Speaker 3: and so it was this super diverse team. I mean,

518
00:22:15,826 --> 00:22:18,466
Speaker 3: we had people from all across the country, all across

519
00:22:18,466 --> 00:22:18,826
Speaker 3: the world.

520
00:22:18,826 --> 00:22:19,546
Speaker 2: We had guys from.

521
00:22:19,426 --> 00:22:22,546
Speaker 3: Netherlands, Canada, Florida, New Jersey, California.

522
00:22:23,026 --> 00:22:24,066
Speaker 2: You know. I was kind of part of.

523
00:22:24,066 --> 00:22:28,186
Speaker 3: The little small Northwest crew, and so you have this

524
00:22:28,306 --> 00:22:30,266
Speaker 3: huge diversity of this team, and so it's a really

525
00:22:30,266 --> 00:22:32,346
Speaker 3: cool melting pot of just bringing all these guys together.

526
00:22:32,386 --> 00:22:33,546
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the things that I

527
00:22:33,626 --> 00:22:36,786
Speaker 3: always we were talking about as a team as an

528
00:22:36,826 --> 00:22:40,386
Speaker 3: offense right before we broke about how this football thing

529
00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:43,026
Speaker 3: brings us to people we never connect with them any

530
00:22:43,026 --> 00:22:45,306
Speaker 3: other way. And that's one of the coolest things, you know,

531
00:22:45,506 --> 00:22:47,826
Speaker 3: Like even with the Chargers right now, like the guys

532
00:22:47,826 --> 00:22:49,226
Speaker 3: that you get to meet, it's like I would have

533
00:22:49,266 --> 00:22:51,106
Speaker 3: never met this person if I wasn't a part of

534
00:22:51,146 --> 00:22:54,186
Speaker 3: this cool NFL journey or college football journey, whatever it

535
00:22:54,186 --> 00:22:54,466
Speaker 3: may be.

536
00:22:54,546 --> 00:22:56,386
Speaker 2: And so that's what's really fun.

537
00:22:56,866 --> 00:22:59,466
Speaker 1: It's awesome. I always say that, you know, there's all

538
00:22:59,506 --> 00:23:01,906
Speaker 1: these issues in the country, and there's divide and division,

539
00:23:01,946 --> 00:23:04,906
Speaker 1: and that's fine. It exists, it's going to exist. Kind

540
00:23:04,906 --> 00:23:06,906
Speaker 1: of go in that locker room and you see that

541
00:23:06,946 --> 00:23:08,626
Speaker 1: they're like there's almost like a glimmer of hope, Like,

542
00:23:08,666 --> 00:23:10,946
Speaker 1: all right, if that guy can gel with that guy

543
00:23:10,986 --> 00:23:12,986
Speaker 1: and they could put it all together despite their difference

544
00:23:13,026 --> 00:23:15,386
Speaker 1: in backgrounds, maybe there's a chance, you know, like and

545
00:23:15,386 --> 00:23:17,066
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's too pie in the sky,

546
00:23:17,146 --> 00:23:17,746
Speaker 1: but I think that's what.

547
00:23:17,706 --> 00:23:20,866
Speaker 2: You're getting at No, we certainly feel that way.

548
00:23:20,986 --> 00:23:24,906
Speaker 1: All right, left handed quarterback obviously at Boise was that

549
00:23:25,426 --> 00:23:27,986
Speaker 1: held against you think as you entered the NFL draft

550
00:23:27,986 --> 00:23:30,626
Speaker 1: as that thing kind of faded away. I think at

551
00:23:30,666 --> 00:23:32,746
Speaker 1: one point the last couple year before two of there

552
00:23:32,746 --> 00:23:34,306
Speaker 1: were no left handed quarterbacks.

553
00:23:34,466 --> 00:23:34,706
Speaker 2: Yeah.

554
00:23:35,106 --> 00:23:36,866
Speaker 1: It reminds me of a question, you know, it's like

555
00:23:36,866 --> 00:23:39,186
Speaker 1: a ridiculous question, like, so you know, what's it like

556
00:23:39,186 --> 00:23:40,546
Speaker 1: being a left handed quip? But well, I've always been

557
00:23:40,546 --> 00:23:41,946
Speaker 1: a left handed quarterback obviously.

558
00:23:42,706 --> 00:23:43,186
Speaker 2: Yeah.

559
00:23:43,186 --> 00:23:45,066
Speaker 1: But there were you know, Steve Young, Michael Vick, all

560
00:23:45,066 --> 00:23:47,466
Speaker 1: those guys probably when you were growing up, and then

561
00:23:47,466 --> 00:23:48,306
Speaker 1: it kind of faded away.

562
00:23:49,106 --> 00:23:51,146
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's definitely. I think a lot

563
00:23:51,186 --> 00:23:52,986
Speaker 3: of people got smarter. They went to baseball. You know,

564
00:23:53,026 --> 00:23:54,866
Speaker 3: you're a left the ls or stuff, spably go play

565
00:23:54,906 --> 00:23:59,026
Speaker 3: that sport instead. But no, yeah, it's certainly something that

566
00:23:59,026 --> 00:24:01,906
Speaker 3: I think is a unique dynamic. To be honest, I

567
00:24:01,946 --> 00:24:04,706
Speaker 3: think there was some feedback going into the NFL that like, hey,

568
00:24:04,706 --> 00:24:06,426
Speaker 3: if our starter is not a lefty, like we really

569
00:24:06,426 --> 00:24:08,226
Speaker 3: don't want to have a lefty behind him, you know.

570
00:24:08,426 --> 00:24:10,146
Speaker 3: And now the game was a lot more under center.

571
00:24:10,986 --> 00:24:12,826
Speaker 3: The game has become a lot more of a shotgun game,

572
00:24:12,866 --> 00:24:15,466
Speaker 3: and so it's I think there's more flexibility and it's

573
00:24:15,506 --> 00:24:18,466
Speaker 3: an easier transition. But uh yeah, when I got in

574
00:24:18,506 --> 00:24:20,906
Speaker 3: the league, I think there are six or seven lefties.

575
00:24:21,266 --> 00:24:23,586
Speaker 1: Let's go through them, because I mean it was probably you.

576
00:24:23,746 --> 00:24:26,026
Speaker 1: And then I'm thinking like Tyler fig Pin or Palco,

577
00:24:26,066 --> 00:24:27,306
Speaker 1: which one of those one of those things?

578
00:24:27,506 --> 00:24:35,146
Speaker 3: Left Canfield from Oregon State Sean, Yeah, Sean Canfield, Michael Vick,

579
00:24:35,706 --> 00:24:39,786
Speaker 3: Tim Tebow, Matt Lionert, Pat White might have been you know,

580
00:24:41,906 --> 00:24:42,986
Speaker 3: had actually coaches with us.

581
00:24:43,026 --> 00:24:44,866
Speaker 2: So we got a couple of lefties on the staff.

582
00:24:44,946 --> 00:24:45,746
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool.

583
00:24:45,866 --> 00:24:48,106
Speaker 3: We're fire if we got to keep the lefties together.

584
00:24:48,266 --> 00:24:51,066
Speaker 3: But uh, there's one or two more. But at one

585
00:24:51,066 --> 00:24:53,666
Speaker 3: point it was a little bit more normal and lo

586
00:24:53,746 --> 00:24:55,866
Speaker 3: and behold. Uh we went through a point where I

587
00:24:55,866 --> 00:24:57,546
Speaker 3: think there's a couple of years, two or three years

588
00:24:57,546 --> 00:24:58,666
Speaker 3: where we have no lefties.

589
00:24:59,346 --> 00:25:01,906
Speaker 2: Finally two came and saved the day. So hopefully we

590
00:25:01,986 --> 00:25:02,586
Speaker 2: get a couple more.

591
00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:05,666
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the way that the world moves whatever. So

592
00:25:05,906 --> 00:25:08,706
Speaker 1: the Dolphin job becomes open after they let go Brian Floora.

593
00:25:08,786 --> 00:25:10,706
Speaker 1: Do you interviewed for that job? Do you come in

594
00:25:10,706 --> 00:25:12,866
Speaker 1: with like a PowerPoint deck saying like I am the

595
00:25:12,946 --> 00:25:15,346
Speaker 1: lefty quarterback guy, Like what are we doing here? I

596
00:25:15,346 --> 00:25:17,506
Speaker 1: know the job especially goes to Mike McDaniel and it's

597
00:25:17,506 --> 00:25:19,226
Speaker 1: all going to work out for everyone. But yeah, you

598
00:25:19,306 --> 00:25:21,106
Speaker 1: gotta think that was your pitch right. Yeah.

599
00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:23,426
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a lefty. He's a lefty. You know, I'm

600
00:25:23,426 --> 00:25:24,506
Speaker 2: the one guy I can teach him.

601
00:25:25,226 --> 00:25:25,866
Speaker 1: I can feel it.

602
00:25:25,986 --> 00:25:27,546
Speaker 2: This is it.

603
00:25:27,546 --> 00:25:30,586
Speaker 1: It is interesting though that, like you said, the baseball stuff,

604
00:25:30,626 --> 00:25:34,146
Speaker 1: and you know, we talk about specialization in sports, and

605
00:25:34,546 --> 00:25:37,826
Speaker 1: now youths are told, like, you pick this one sport.

606
00:25:38,066 --> 00:25:39,826
Speaker 1: I've heard you speak on it before. You don't believe

607
00:25:39,826 --> 00:25:41,226
Speaker 1: in that, right, play all sports.

608
00:25:41,506 --> 00:25:43,586
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a small town kid.

609
00:25:43,746 --> 00:25:45,986
Speaker 2: We played every sport. We grew up together. It's the

610
00:25:46,026 --> 00:25:48,986
Speaker 2: same pack of kids. We went from football to basketball

611
00:25:49,026 --> 00:25:49,866
Speaker 2: to baseball.

612
00:25:49,866 --> 00:25:52,346
Speaker 3: At one point, I eventually kind of, you know, didn't

613
00:25:52,386 --> 00:25:54,426
Speaker 3: do baseball by stuck with football and basketball the way

614
00:25:54,466 --> 00:25:54,826
Speaker 3: to the end.

615
00:25:54,866 --> 00:25:58,026
Speaker 2: And so I think it's huge. I think it's so important.

616
00:25:58,026 --> 00:26:00,706
Speaker 3: I think there's too many examples across our league, across

617
00:26:00,746 --> 00:26:03,586
Speaker 3: other leagues of guys who played a lot of different

618
00:26:03,586 --> 00:26:05,626
Speaker 3: things and all those skills kind of translate to something

619
00:26:05,666 --> 00:26:05,906
Speaker 3: in the.

620
00:26:05,906 --> 00:26:09,106
Speaker 1: End it works out. One of my favorite men in

621
00:26:09,106 --> 00:26:10,706
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I know a mentor of yours, is

622
00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:14,306
Speaker 1: Jim Caldwell. When you were in Detroit, you obviously were

623
00:26:14,386 --> 00:26:18,746
Speaker 1: under his guys, and he speaks with such a I

624
00:26:18,746 --> 00:26:21,066
Speaker 1: don't reverence Like I don't even know how to say it.

625
00:26:21,106 --> 00:26:23,506
Speaker 1: When Jim talks, like everyone listens and he doesn't speak

626
00:26:23,546 --> 00:26:26,026
Speaker 1: off and he's not yelling, he's not I guess my

627
00:26:26,146 --> 00:26:28,386
Speaker 1: question is just the Jim Caldwell experience for those who

628
00:26:28,426 --> 00:26:30,906
Speaker 1: don't know, Like when you play in that offense on

629
00:26:30,946 --> 00:26:33,906
Speaker 1: that team with him as a head coach, that soothing voice,

630
00:26:33,986 --> 00:26:36,066
Speaker 1: and yet those life lessons he always gives.

631
00:26:36,426 --> 00:26:39,186
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a cool experience for me because

632
00:26:39,706 --> 00:26:42,186
Speaker 3: being in the NFL, you think college football NFL like

633
00:26:42,186 --> 00:26:44,386
Speaker 3: they got They're so different, right, and so you're fortunate

634
00:26:44,386 --> 00:26:47,706
Speaker 3: to be around this Chris Peterson experience which is second

635
00:26:47,706 --> 00:26:50,706
Speaker 3: to none. And then you meet Jim in the NFL.

636
00:26:50,866 --> 00:26:52,986
Speaker 3: And the first time I met him, spent fifteen minutes

637
00:26:53,026 --> 00:26:55,506
Speaker 3: with him. He knew my name, he knew everything about me.

638
00:26:55,546 --> 00:26:58,306
Speaker 3: I'm a third string QB, barely hanging out on, hanging

639
00:26:58,346 --> 00:26:59,746
Speaker 3: on like he has no reason to even know who

640
00:26:59,746 --> 00:27:01,546
Speaker 3: I am, Like, you know, like I should be the

641
00:27:01,546 --> 00:27:04,426
Speaker 3: one to introducing myself. He spends fifteen minutes just talking

642
00:27:04,426 --> 00:27:06,226
Speaker 3: about life, talking about you know, family and all that,

643
00:27:06,506 --> 00:27:08,386
Speaker 3: so that has nothing to do with football. Knows everything

644
00:27:08,386 --> 00:27:11,586
Speaker 3: about you, like incredible, And then you get to the

645
00:27:11,626 --> 00:27:13,586
Speaker 3: point of him just being the leader and the coach.

646
00:27:13,626 --> 00:27:16,146
Speaker 3: I thought it was really cool for me because at

647
00:27:16,146 --> 00:27:18,506
Speaker 3: that point I really felt confident that, like, I want

648
00:27:18,546 --> 00:27:20,226
Speaker 3: to get into coaching, that's kind of the.

649
00:27:20,146 --> 00:27:21,066
Speaker 2: Part I want to take.

650
00:27:21,186 --> 00:27:23,906
Speaker 3: At that point, Yeah, I think college was kind of confirmation.

651
00:27:23,986 --> 00:27:26,666
Speaker 3: But then when you're in the NFL, you know, it's like, Okay,

652
00:27:27,026 --> 00:27:29,826
Speaker 3: that's a different experience in college football, and can you

653
00:27:29,906 --> 00:27:32,346
Speaker 3: really do it in a certain way, you know, or

654
00:27:32,386 --> 00:27:34,466
Speaker 3: does everyone just you know, college and NFL there they're

655
00:27:34,506 --> 00:27:36,066
Speaker 3: just different beasts and he can't do it that way.

656
00:27:37,226 --> 00:27:39,586
Speaker 3: His presence and his ability to kind of in a

657
00:27:39,586 --> 00:27:43,066
Speaker 3: more mild manner, have such command and presence in an

658
00:27:43,186 --> 00:27:46,186
Speaker 3: NFL locker room on an NFL field. It was really

659
00:27:46,266 --> 00:27:48,146
Speaker 3: awesome for me to see that, because, you know, I

660
00:27:48,186 --> 00:27:50,426
Speaker 3: felt like I was a little bit more maybe that

661
00:27:50,506 --> 00:27:52,946
Speaker 3: personality trait, you know, as far as more of a

662
00:27:52,986 --> 00:27:55,386
Speaker 3: mild like I'm not a you know, yeller screamer all

663
00:27:55,386 --> 00:27:57,946
Speaker 3: the time, like you know, but like Jim just had

664
00:27:57,946 --> 00:28:00,226
Speaker 3: that perfect balance of like he picked and choose his

665
00:28:00,306 --> 00:28:04,106
Speaker 3: words really wisely, and when he talked, everyone listens, you know,

666
00:28:04,306 --> 00:28:06,386
Speaker 3: and it was incredible to be a part of it.

667
00:28:06,946 --> 00:28:08,746
Speaker 1: Was there one piece of advice that you've held onto

668
00:28:08,866 --> 00:28:11,146
Speaker 1: or one line or one statement or one quote that

669
00:28:11,186 --> 00:28:12,746
Speaker 1: you kind of brought with you along the way. I

670
00:28:12,746 --> 00:28:13,666
Speaker 1: hate to put you on the spot.

671
00:28:14,666 --> 00:28:15,626
Speaker 2: That's a great question.

672
00:28:16,706 --> 00:28:19,706
Speaker 3: There's so many, you know, or Loski and so you know,

673
00:28:19,746 --> 00:28:22,626
Speaker 3: when I was there as Matthew, Dan and myself, I

674
00:28:22,666 --> 00:28:26,426
Speaker 3: just remember these team meetings and I just remember all

675
00:28:26,466 --> 00:28:27,426
Speaker 3: the informations.

676
00:28:27,466 --> 00:28:29,426
Speaker 2: I couldn't keep up. You know, I'm sitting there trying

677
00:28:29,426 --> 00:28:30,226
Speaker 2: to write all these notes of.

678
00:28:30,226 --> 00:28:32,666
Speaker 3: All these you know, he always called it the charge

679
00:28:32,706 --> 00:28:34,306
Speaker 3: in the season, and every like Wednesday could have some

680
00:28:34,466 --> 00:28:37,026
Speaker 3: sort of like piece and it would be something. I'm

681
00:28:37,026 --> 00:28:39,306
Speaker 3: just sitting there trying to like write these notes quick

682
00:28:39,306 --> 00:28:40,786
Speaker 3: as possible. Now I'm looking over at Dan, like what

683
00:28:40,866 --> 00:28:43,186
Speaker 3: did you get? You can catch like I'm trying to

684
00:28:43,186 --> 00:28:45,746
Speaker 3: piece this whole thing together because I want all this information.

685
00:28:46,386 --> 00:28:48,666
Speaker 3: But he had a really cool piece. He had a

686
00:28:48,746 --> 00:28:50,946
Speaker 3: high cost for low living. It was a piece that

687
00:28:50,986 --> 00:28:52,826
Speaker 3: he utilized. I'm sure a lot of people have heard

688
00:28:52,866 --> 00:28:55,266
Speaker 3: about it. Just as far as the off the field stuff,

689
00:28:55,266 --> 00:28:57,306
Speaker 3: the players, you know, have to be aware of in

690
00:28:57,346 --> 00:28:59,586
Speaker 3: the NFL that there's a high cost for low living

691
00:28:59,586 --> 00:29:00,986
Speaker 3: and the things that we do off the field that

692
00:29:01,066 --> 00:29:04,026
Speaker 3: create headlines and can have huge impacts on your career.

693
00:29:04,426 --> 00:29:06,306
Speaker 3: There's a high cost for those and so he tried

694
00:29:06,306 --> 00:29:08,786
Speaker 3: to educate everyone in the way that Jim does, which

695
00:29:08,826 --> 00:29:11,466
Speaker 3: is incredible, just educating those guys on something. Some things

696
00:29:11,466 --> 00:29:13,306
Speaker 3: are just you know, you got to make smart decisions.

697
00:29:13,306 --> 00:29:16,106
Speaker 3: We understand right and wrong. There's others that are you know, hey,

698
00:29:16,106 --> 00:29:18,906
Speaker 3: these are tricky situations. Social media has some really tricky things,

699
00:29:18,906 --> 00:29:20,626
Speaker 3: and so he tried to educate guys on that, and

700
00:29:20,666 --> 00:29:21,626
Speaker 3: I thought it was incredible.

701
00:29:25,546 --> 00:29:28,866
Speaker 1: Your favorite Matthew Stafford throw while you were in Detroit?

702
00:29:28,946 --> 00:29:30,906
Speaker 1: Is there a game a moment where you can go

703
00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:33,026
Speaker 1: back and say you're standing on the sidelines, either you're

704
00:29:33,106 --> 00:29:35,306
Speaker 1: dressed or or not, and you're just like, holy moly,

705
00:29:35,426 --> 00:29:37,986
Speaker 1: what was that? Because I, as I often say when

706
00:29:37,986 --> 00:29:40,386
Speaker 1: I interviewed Code, it's like I was a sideline reporter

707
00:29:40,426 --> 00:29:41,706
Speaker 1: and I was not on the A crew. So I

708
00:29:41,746 --> 00:29:43,866
Speaker 1: got a lot of Lions games under my belt. I

709
00:29:43,986 --> 00:29:45,986
Speaker 1: was very there's a lot of Hey, what's up to

710
00:29:45,986 --> 00:29:49,226
Speaker 1: Sam Martin going on on the sidelines there? So is

711
00:29:49,266 --> 00:29:51,546
Speaker 1: there a Stafford throw that sticks out? There's one that

712
00:29:51,586 --> 00:29:53,986
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. Nickveigh and I still like are

713
00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:57,146
Speaker 1: giddy over that. When they played Washington and you guys

714
00:29:57,186 --> 00:29:59,466
Speaker 1: were Detroit. Obviously he threw on in a game winner

715
00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:01,786
Speaker 1: to Ankwon Bolden. That was just insane, that like, how

716
00:30:01,826 --> 00:30:03,306
Speaker 1: does he pull it out? But you saw it every

717
00:30:03,306 --> 00:30:05,746
Speaker 1: game and something that comes to mind just how amazing

718
00:30:05,786 --> 00:30:06,306
Speaker 1: that arm talent.

719
00:30:07,146 --> 00:30:10,026
Speaker 3: There are a lot, and I'll give you two. The

720
00:30:10,026 --> 00:30:14,066
Speaker 3: first one is against the Bengals. I think this is

721
00:30:14,106 --> 00:30:17,986
Speaker 3: two thousand and thirteen, I'm gonna guess. So it was

722
00:30:18,026 --> 00:30:20,506
Speaker 3: a half rolls like a sprint out to the right.

723
00:30:20,866 --> 00:30:23,146
Speaker 3: As we're rolling out and we're just gonna run a

724
00:30:23,146 --> 00:30:25,626
Speaker 3: double move to Calvin Johnson and he's gonna run a

725
00:30:25,626 --> 00:30:27,946
Speaker 3: little corner post and we're gonna kind of try and

726
00:30:28,026 --> 00:30:29,346
Speaker 3: roll out to the right and then throw back to

727
00:30:29,386 --> 00:30:33,146
Speaker 3: the left. And first of all, to throw is tremendous, Right,

728
00:30:33,186 --> 00:30:35,306
Speaker 3: he just flicks this thing. He's rolling out to his

729
00:30:35,466 --> 00:30:37,066
Speaker 3: right and he's throwing it to his left and he's

730
00:30:37,066 --> 00:30:40,426
Speaker 3: just flicking this thing fifty sixty yards And as you're

731
00:30:40,466 --> 00:30:42,346
Speaker 3: looking down the field, you're like, that guy doesn't really

732
00:30:42,346 --> 00:30:42,866
Speaker 3: look open.

733
00:30:43,146 --> 00:30:44,866
Speaker 2: You know, I'm on the sideline I'm just the backup

734
00:30:44,986 --> 00:30:46,746
Speaker 2: guy hanging out. It doesn't really look open.

735
00:30:46,786 --> 00:30:49,746
Speaker 3: It's about three or four Bengals jerseys down there, you know,

736
00:30:50,586 --> 00:30:53,026
Speaker 3: George I Loka a Boise State Bronco being one of

737
00:30:53,066 --> 00:30:55,986
Speaker 3: them down there, and he just throws this sucker throws

738
00:30:56,066 --> 00:30:57,666
Speaker 3: up in the air and you just see Calvin just

739
00:30:57,746 --> 00:31:00,106
Speaker 3: run right through all these people go up, leap it,

740
00:31:00,226 --> 00:31:03,026
Speaker 3: grab this ball. I remember talking to George after the game.

741
00:31:03,026 --> 00:31:05,306
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know what we can do. I

742
00:31:05,346 --> 00:31:07,986
Speaker 3: can't stop this guy. And it was a moment of

743
00:31:08,026 --> 00:31:10,626
Speaker 3: like sometimes like you know what, it's players, not plays,

744
00:31:10,706 --> 00:31:12,426
Speaker 3: you know, like those two.

745
00:31:12,306 --> 00:31:14,826
Speaker 1: Guys are super human at what they're doing. It's fun

746
00:31:14,826 --> 00:31:15,186
Speaker 1: to watch.

747
00:31:15,266 --> 00:31:16,706
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt.

748
00:31:16,706 --> 00:31:17,466
Speaker 1: What was the other one?

749
00:31:17,506 --> 00:31:19,106
Speaker 3: And then the second one I would think of is

750
00:31:19,106 --> 00:31:20,906
Speaker 3: we played in London in twenty fourteen.

751
00:31:22,026 --> 00:31:23,586
Speaker 2: Golden tates on the outside.

752
00:31:23,666 --> 00:31:26,546
Speaker 3: We just ran like three verts, it's like third and forever,

753
00:31:27,146 --> 00:31:30,306
Speaker 3: and he rips a ball down the sideline.

754
00:31:30,346 --> 00:31:32,506
Speaker 2: He kind of drops back, it's a little bit of depth.

755
00:31:32,866 --> 00:31:34,906
Speaker 3: He steps up in the pocketing and just rips this

756
00:31:34,986 --> 00:31:38,106
Speaker 3: ball down the right sidelines to Golden. I mean, it's

757
00:31:38,106 --> 00:31:40,186
Speaker 3: gotta be fifty yards frozen rope. I don't think the

758
00:31:40,226 --> 00:31:41,906
Speaker 3: ball is more than ten twelve feet off the ground

759
00:31:41,946 --> 00:31:44,786
Speaker 3: the entire time, just rips it right between these cover two,

760
00:31:44,786 --> 00:31:47,506
Speaker 3: safety and corner. I don't think anyone even considered he'd

761
00:31:47,506 --> 00:31:49,946
Speaker 3: actually throw that in that situation, and he just rips

762
00:31:49,946 --> 00:31:51,146
Speaker 3: this thing right in the end zone.

763
00:31:51,906 --> 00:31:52,666
Speaker 2: It was incredible.

764
00:31:52,986 --> 00:31:56,506
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So then you finish your time with Detroit,

765
00:31:56,626 --> 00:31:59,106
Speaker 1: you go to Dallas. Scott Lenihan was there, and I

766
00:31:59,106 --> 00:32:01,386
Speaker 1: imagine that's one of the reasons why it was a

767
00:32:01,466 --> 00:32:03,146
Speaker 1: natural thing. I don't have it in front of me.

768
00:32:03,266 --> 00:32:05,586
Speaker 1: I know that Romo was there obviously, and then the

769
00:32:05,666 --> 00:32:08,626
Speaker 1: year Romo got hurt and Dak goes in, you were

770
00:32:08,706 --> 00:32:11,226
Speaker 1: hurt also that summer, if I'm not mistaken. So it's

771
00:32:11,266 --> 00:32:13,626
Speaker 1: like this like sliding doors moment, where like who knows

772
00:32:13,666 --> 00:32:15,906
Speaker 1: if you had had your opportunity do you do? Do

773
00:32:15,906 --> 00:32:17,906
Speaker 1: you ever lose sleep on that and say, hey, you know,

774
00:32:17,986 --> 00:32:20,386
Speaker 1: the starter goes down, but I too, the backup was injured.

775
00:32:20,426 --> 00:32:22,346
Speaker 1: So then Dak Prescott gets a chance to show a

776
00:32:22,386 --> 00:32:24,746
Speaker 1: case with skills. How did you cope with that as

777
00:32:24,746 --> 00:32:25,546
Speaker 1: a player at the time.

778
00:32:26,066 --> 00:32:28,826
Speaker 3: I don't lose sleep now because I think everything happens

779
00:32:28,826 --> 00:32:30,306
Speaker 3: for a reason, and it kind of led me to

780
00:32:30,346 --> 00:32:33,546
Speaker 3: this coaching thing, which I'll get to. But at the time, Yeah,

781
00:32:33,546 --> 00:32:36,106
Speaker 3: So twenty fifteen, I played a couple games. At the end,

782
00:32:36,106 --> 00:32:38,706
Speaker 3: we were kind of, you know, we struggled that year.

783
00:32:38,706 --> 00:32:41,346
Speaker 3: A lot of us end up paying quarterback Matt Castle, Whedon,

784
00:32:41,826 --> 00:32:45,026
Speaker 3: Tony myself. You know, it was just a rough year

785
00:32:45,066 --> 00:32:48,306
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys, and so coming back, it was Tony

786
00:32:48,346 --> 00:32:50,706
Speaker 3: myself and then we end up drafting Dak in the

787
00:32:50,746 --> 00:32:53,906
Speaker 3: fourth round and I still get a lot of reps

788
00:32:53,946 --> 00:32:55,986
Speaker 3: as kind of the number two at the time. I

789
00:32:56,106 --> 00:32:58,266
Speaker 3: have a freak deal at training camp out in Knoxnard.

790
00:32:58,386 --> 00:33:00,786
Speaker 3: The fourth day, an offense lineman kind of gets pushed

791
00:33:00,786 --> 00:33:02,066
Speaker 3: back and falls back on my leg.

792
00:33:02,106 --> 00:33:04,066
Speaker 2: I break my ankle. So I went back to.

793
00:33:04,106 --> 00:33:06,786
Speaker 3: Dallas, got surgery, kind of sitting there on the couch

794
00:33:06,866 --> 00:33:10,546
Speaker 3: and I just remember you're watching because Tony was kind

795
00:33:10,546 --> 00:33:12,826
Speaker 3: of dealing with some maintenance stuff at that point already

796
00:33:12,866 --> 00:33:14,866
Speaker 3: with the back, and so Dak was taking a ton

797
00:33:14,906 --> 00:33:17,746
Speaker 3: of reps in practice. He's basically taken ones, twos, and three.

798
00:33:17,786 --> 00:33:21,146
Speaker 3: He's just going And they played that first game against

799
00:33:21,186 --> 00:33:24,226
Speaker 3: the Rams and preseasons the first game in the LA Coliseum,

800
00:33:24,706 --> 00:33:26,866
Speaker 3: and uh, he just goes out there and just is

801
00:33:26,906 --> 00:33:28,306
Speaker 3: dealing and is incredible.

802
00:33:28,346 --> 00:33:31,946
Speaker 1: There's two amazing touchdown passes if I remember, Yeah.

803
00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:33,066
Speaker 3: And then I think, you know, they come back, they

804
00:33:33,146 --> 00:33:35,426
Speaker 3: playing Dallas and the next week is at Seattle and

805
00:33:35,466 --> 00:33:38,426
Speaker 3: that's where Tony you know, Tony's back goes out and

806
00:33:38,466 --> 00:33:40,146
Speaker 3: he gets sacked, you know, just a kind of a

807
00:33:40,146 --> 00:33:42,826
Speaker 3: freak deal, and Dak rolls out there and deals again.

808
00:33:43,106 --> 00:33:45,186
Speaker 3: You know, And certainly in the back of your mind,

809
00:33:45,226 --> 00:33:48,306
Speaker 3: as a competitor, you're kind of like, man like, there's

810
00:33:48,346 --> 00:33:50,586
Speaker 3: a chance here, and I kind of missed the boat there,

811
00:33:50,866 --> 00:33:53,426
Speaker 3: you know, And certainly there's a competitive side of you

812
00:33:53,466 --> 00:33:56,226
Speaker 3: that kind of is challenged by that. But all things

813
00:33:56,586 --> 00:33:59,266
Speaker 3: happen for a reason. A we figured out that Dak

814
00:33:59,386 --> 00:34:02,826
Speaker 3: was really, really good. I'm glad we did, because he's

815
00:34:02,866 --> 00:34:04,586
Speaker 3: turned into such a tremendous he's one of the premier

816
00:34:04,666 --> 00:34:07,866
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this league and one of the best guys

817
00:34:07,986 --> 00:34:10,266
Speaker 3: in this league, and he's phenomenal live and fortunate to

818
00:34:10,306 --> 00:34:12,226
Speaker 3: be around him for such a long time. But it

819
00:34:12,226 --> 00:34:14,626
Speaker 3: also led me to the coaching side, you know, because

820
00:34:14,786 --> 00:34:17,066
Speaker 3: that year I was on ir and Scott and Jason

821
00:34:17,106 --> 00:34:17,826
Speaker 3: were awesome with me.

822
00:34:17,866 --> 00:34:19,986
Speaker 2: They allowed me to kind of stay stay in it.

823
00:34:20,026 --> 00:34:22,186
Speaker 3: I was in the quarterback room trying to be a

824
00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:25,586
Speaker 3: resource or help in any possible way. Tony was rehabbing,

825
00:34:26,066 --> 00:34:30,186
Speaker 3: Dak was the starter. Now Sanchez Mark Sanchez being Mark.

826
00:34:30,786 --> 00:34:33,986
Speaker 3: He got signed like on Tuesday. So there's a lot

827
00:34:34,026 --> 00:34:35,986
Speaker 3: of movie pieces in this in this room, and so

828
00:34:36,466 --> 00:34:38,706
Speaker 3: there's an element of, hey, can you just stay in there?

829
00:34:38,706 --> 00:34:41,386
Speaker 3: So there's at least some commonality there for Scott and

830
00:34:41,426 --> 00:34:43,466
Speaker 3: for Wade Wilson, who was our quarterback coach at the time.

831
00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:46,666
Speaker 3: And so it was awesome for me because it let

832
00:34:46,706 --> 00:34:48,786
Speaker 3: me kind of go on the other side of the thing,

833
00:34:49,386 --> 00:34:50,786
Speaker 3: be on the coaching side a little bit. I did

834
00:34:50,786 --> 00:34:52,346
Speaker 3: some projects for them and just kind of helped in

835
00:34:52,386 --> 00:34:53,266
Speaker 3: any possible way.

836
00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:53,946
Speaker 2: But I think it.

837
00:34:54,026 --> 00:34:56,066
Speaker 3: Also gave Jason and Scott a chance to kind of

838
00:34:56,066 --> 00:34:59,226
Speaker 3: see me from that perspective, which lo and behold allowed

839
00:34:59,266 --> 00:35:02,146
Speaker 3: me to transition right from player to coach two years later.

840
00:35:02,306 --> 00:35:04,706
Speaker 3: And so I think without that moment, I don't think

841
00:35:04,746 --> 00:35:06,306
Speaker 3: I'm doing that. I think, you know, most people would

842
00:35:06,306 --> 00:35:08,266
Speaker 3: say you're crazy to go from player to coach.

843
00:35:08,466 --> 00:35:09,986
Speaker 2: To allow that to happen in the NFL.

844
00:35:10,306 --> 00:35:12,346
Speaker 1: Can you put that then in like a more concise thing,

845
00:35:12,426 --> 00:35:16,146
Speaker 1: like just as a lesson, because I think of that situation,

846
00:35:16,306 --> 00:35:19,146
Speaker 1: you've played your entire career waiting for your opportunity. Finally

847
00:35:19,146 --> 00:35:21,506
Speaker 1: the opportunity arises and you can't physically go, and yet

848
00:35:21,866 --> 00:35:23,906
Speaker 1: you found a way to pivot and make the most

849
00:35:23,906 --> 00:35:25,946
Speaker 1: of the opportunity. I think that's a beautiful lesson for

850
00:35:25,986 --> 00:35:27,066
Speaker 1: anyone in life.

851
00:35:27,466 --> 00:35:27,786
Speaker 2: Yeah.

852
00:35:27,866 --> 00:35:30,706
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we work our tail off for certain

853
00:35:30,746 --> 00:35:34,266
Speaker 3: goals and aspirations, and sometimes life pivots and takes you

854
00:35:34,506 --> 00:35:37,306
Speaker 3: to the path that maybe leads you down something else.

855
00:35:37,386 --> 00:35:39,386
Speaker 3: And certainly, as a player, you want to play as

856
00:35:39,426 --> 00:35:41,866
Speaker 3: long as you can. But I always knew I wanted

857
00:35:41,866 --> 00:35:45,426
Speaker 3: to coach, and so I think the transition that allowed

858
00:35:45,466 --> 00:35:48,146
Speaker 3: me to go through was tremendous. And sometimes you don't

859
00:35:48,186 --> 00:35:50,746
Speaker 3: understand it going through it. You don't understand why me,

860
00:35:50,866 --> 00:35:54,466
Speaker 3: why this situation. It helped us figure out Dak. It

861
00:35:54,506 --> 00:35:57,066
Speaker 3: helped Dak, It helped myself as my journey went on.

862
00:35:57,826 --> 00:36:00,426
Speaker 3: Things happened for a reason. I truly believe that it's beautiful.

863
00:36:00,986 --> 00:36:02,706
Speaker 1: And now I look at it like in Denver and

864
00:36:02,706 --> 00:36:04,866
Speaker 1: I'm friendly with Sean Payton. He hired Davis Webb, a

865
00:36:04,906 --> 00:36:07,386
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old, as the quarter best coach. I'm

866
00:36:07,386 --> 00:36:09,226
Speaker 1: not gonna say you broke down those doors, but you

867
00:36:09,386 --> 00:36:12,426
Speaker 1: certainly laid the blueprint of Hey, it's possible for these

868
00:36:12,426 --> 00:36:14,026
Speaker 1: guys to go straight from the playing field to the

869
00:36:14,026 --> 00:36:15,186
Speaker 1: coaching Yeah.

870
00:36:15,266 --> 00:36:16,106
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was fortunate.

871
00:36:16,186 --> 00:36:19,066
Speaker 3: I basically moved one chair over, you know, instead of

872
00:36:19,106 --> 00:36:20,986
Speaker 3: being next to the computer, I was running the computer.

873
00:36:21,026 --> 00:36:23,226
Speaker 3: Other than that, it was the same room, and so

874
00:36:24,066 --> 00:36:25,666
Speaker 3: you know, I was really fortunate for that. I think

875
00:36:26,306 --> 00:36:27,106
Speaker 3: it was a lot of fun.

876
00:36:27,626 --> 00:36:29,066
Speaker 1: You can go as long or as quick as you

877
00:36:29,106 --> 00:36:30,426
Speaker 1: want on this if I just say the name, and

878
00:36:30,466 --> 00:36:31,586
Speaker 1: you did say he was one of the great here

879
00:36:31,586 --> 00:36:35,146
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott, because I feel like we take it

880
00:36:35,186 --> 00:36:36,986
Speaker 1: for granted. What a guy is Walter Payton Man of

881
00:36:36,986 --> 00:36:38,546
Speaker 1: the Year and he goes out there and he's got

882
00:36:38,546 --> 00:36:41,066
Speaker 1: such consistency when he's on the field and yet hasn't

883
00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:43,426
Speaker 1: won the big one in There are always critics with it.

884
00:36:43,506 --> 00:36:45,746
Speaker 1: But as a player and as a man, your experience

885
00:36:45,746 --> 00:36:47,706
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott, what would you want listeners to know?

886
00:36:48,306 --> 00:36:49,066
Speaker 2: The best person?

887
00:36:50,066 --> 00:36:53,546
Speaker 3: I think the best leader I've ever been around, easily

888
00:36:54,186 --> 00:36:56,866
Speaker 3: and in all honesty, player or coach or anything. I

889
00:36:56,906 --> 00:36:59,666
Speaker 3: think his ability to connect with a team and all

890
00:36:59,706 --> 00:37:02,706
Speaker 3: spectrums is rare and I've never seen it in any

891
00:37:02,706 --> 00:37:06,146
Speaker 3: other way. His work, ethic, his command, I think he's

892
00:37:06,146 --> 00:37:08,906
Speaker 3: InCred and so I know, you know, we've all been

893
00:37:08,906 --> 00:37:12,066
Speaker 3: through that Dallas journey and he has a phenomenal way

894
00:37:12,106 --> 00:37:14,346
Speaker 3: of being a deal with probably more than your average

895
00:37:14,426 --> 00:37:18,466
Speaker 3: NFL starting quarterback, and he handled it beautifully. And yeah,

896
00:37:18,586 --> 00:37:20,106
Speaker 3: he's certainly certainly a guy you.

897
00:37:20,066 --> 00:37:20,746
Speaker 2: Forever root for.

898
00:37:21,186 --> 00:37:23,346
Speaker 1: That's awesome, man. All Right, we do rapid fire. I

899
00:37:23,386 --> 00:37:26,186
Speaker 1: was asked you some quick questions about philosophy, about your

900
00:37:26,506 --> 00:37:28,906
Speaker 1: history in the NFL, and we we wrap it up.

901
00:37:28,946 --> 00:37:31,026
Speaker 1: I'm loving this and I appreciate you taking the time,

902
00:37:31,106 --> 00:37:34,266
Speaker 1: especially during this vacation week from it all. You would

903
00:37:34,346 --> 00:37:37,986
Speaker 1: say your mentor in football is whom I.

904
00:37:37,986 --> 00:37:40,546
Speaker 3: Would say My two most prominent ones are my dad

905
00:37:41,306 --> 00:37:44,946
Speaker 3: across from Mustangs and Chris Peterson, not just those two

906
00:37:44,946 --> 00:37:47,906
Speaker 3: stops of life. Uh yeah, I think those those were

907
00:37:47,946 --> 00:37:49,546
Speaker 3: the foundations for who I am.

908
00:37:49,986 --> 00:37:55,146
Speaker 1: You played with guys like Calvin Johnson, You've also played with, uh,

909
00:37:55,666 --> 00:37:57,946
Speaker 1: you played with superstars like does Brynt. You play with

910
00:37:57,986 --> 00:38:02,146
Speaker 1: all these great NFL players. The most freakish athlete that

911
00:38:02,186 --> 00:38:04,626
Speaker 1: you have played with in NFL is who.

912
00:38:04,786 --> 00:38:08,106
Speaker 3: Calvin by by far like Calvin I think was just

913
00:38:08,706 --> 00:38:11,626
Speaker 3: he's just different. And like you know, I remember the

914
00:38:11,626 --> 00:38:14,746
Speaker 3: first time, so I'm a rookie, I show up to

915
00:38:15,066 --> 00:38:18,506
Speaker 3: OTA's and they got we're in the red zone for

916
00:38:18,506 --> 00:38:20,426
Speaker 3: some reason, I think it had a ben a screw up.

917
00:38:20,466 --> 00:38:22,666
Speaker 3: Calvin's on the field when I'm on the field, which

918
00:38:22,826 --> 00:38:25,786
Speaker 3: shouldn't be going on on the thirst and QB and

919
00:38:25,866 --> 00:38:27,426
Speaker 3: we call a red zone play and there's like two

920
00:38:27,426 --> 00:38:29,946
Speaker 3: guys in the back line and I happened to throw

921
00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:31,946
Speaker 3: to the guy on the right, who was Titus Young

922
00:38:31,986 --> 00:38:32,226
Speaker 3: at the.

923
00:38:32,226 --> 00:38:35,266
Speaker 2: Time that I had played with Poise and.

924
00:38:36,586 --> 00:38:38,626
Speaker 3: Matthew and Sean Hill be in the backup at the time,

925
00:38:38,666 --> 00:38:39,346
Speaker 3: who's phenomenal.

926
00:38:39,426 --> 00:38:40,186
Speaker 2: He just looks at me and.

927
00:38:40,106 --> 00:38:43,386
Speaker 3: Says, if that other guy's ever on the field, just throw.

928
00:38:43,186 --> 00:38:45,786
Speaker 1: It to.

929
00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:48,066
Speaker 3: The rest of the time and for whatever reason that

930
00:38:48,106 --> 00:38:50,026
Speaker 3: guy's on the field, just throw it to him.

931
00:38:50,026 --> 00:38:51,506
Speaker 2: And that was like the simplest lesson.

932
00:38:51,866 --> 00:38:54,346
Speaker 3: Hey, that guy's different than any other human being that

933
00:38:54,386 --> 00:38:55,186
Speaker 3: you'll ever be around.

934
00:38:55,706 --> 00:38:58,826
Speaker 1: Yeah, growing up, who is the player? And you mentioned

935
00:38:58,866 --> 00:39:00,746
Speaker 1: those those mustangs that you liked. But who was the

936
00:39:00,746 --> 00:39:02,706
Speaker 1: player in the NFL that you aspired to be or

937
00:39:02,706 --> 00:39:04,706
Speaker 1: that you saw and said, hey, maybe someday.

938
00:39:05,266 --> 00:39:07,986
Speaker 2: Growing up to the Northwest. So bec was my guy?

939
00:39:08,306 --> 00:39:09,506
Speaker 1: Really? I love that.

940
00:39:09,586 --> 00:39:11,586
Speaker 2: I loved his presence, you know that.

941
00:39:11,626 --> 00:39:13,226
Speaker 1: I think he would really love hearing that. Does he

942
00:39:13,266 --> 00:39:13,946
Speaker 1: know that? Have you told me?

943
00:39:13,946 --> 00:39:14,586
Speaker 2: I hope he does.

944
00:39:14,666 --> 00:39:19,746
Speaker 3: I am a disciple of the Matt Hasselbeck Passing Academy.

945
00:39:19,866 --> 00:39:22,266
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a camp that he put on.

946
00:39:22,506 --> 00:39:23,866
Speaker 2: Oh yeah he put on yep.

947
00:39:24,106 --> 00:39:26,346
Speaker 3: I think I'm one of like two guys whoever got

948
00:39:26,346 --> 00:39:27,306
Speaker 3: out of there that you know.

949
00:39:27,306 --> 00:39:28,186
Speaker 2: Got to the NFL.

950
00:39:28,706 --> 00:39:30,826
Speaker 3: But I was there, you know, Seneca Wallace was my

951
00:39:30,866 --> 00:39:34,306
Speaker 3: camp counselor yeah, you know, and that was that was

952
00:39:34,346 --> 00:39:37,626
Speaker 3: my guy. I loved his command, the way he's played,

953
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:40,106
Speaker 3: like the he was always having fun like that was

954
00:39:40,146 --> 00:39:41,426
Speaker 3: the coolest thing to me. It was like, this is

955
00:39:41,426 --> 00:39:43,546
Speaker 3: the NFL and this guy's just like smiling, having fun,

956
00:39:44,146 --> 00:39:44,866
Speaker 3: loving this thing.

957
00:39:45,346 --> 00:39:47,986
Speaker 1: Who is the biggest personality that you've come across in

958
00:39:48,026 --> 00:39:48,546
Speaker 1: the NFL.

959
00:39:49,186 --> 00:39:50,466
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting.

960
00:39:51,186 --> 00:39:53,466
Speaker 1: You can take that anywhere you want, the biggest alpha,

961
00:39:53,666 --> 00:39:55,586
Speaker 1: the most hilarious, whoever it is.

962
00:39:56,466 --> 00:40:00,506
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a great question, and I got, Man,

963
00:40:00,586 --> 00:40:01,906
Speaker 3: you can go a lot of different ways here.

964
00:40:02,186 --> 00:40:04,866
Speaker 2: I think biggest personality, like Dez was so much fun.

965
00:40:05,066 --> 00:40:08,226
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think because is you know, he's like a

966
00:40:08,346 --> 00:40:10,546
Speaker 3: kid in the sense that when he was playing there,

967
00:40:10,946 --> 00:40:12,546
Speaker 3: and I say that in the most positive way, like

968
00:40:12,866 --> 00:40:14,626
Speaker 3: he just wanted to throw up, play catch.

969
00:40:14,506 --> 00:40:19,426
Speaker 1: All day, just pure joy during warm ups. The trainers

970
00:40:19,466 --> 00:40:20,826
Speaker 1: coming up to me at the Cowboys being like, we

971
00:40:20,866 --> 00:40:22,186
Speaker 1: have to keep an eye on des because he gets

972
00:40:22,226 --> 00:40:25,026
Speaker 1: so excited during warm ups. Like I love that there.

973
00:40:25,026 --> 00:40:27,586
Speaker 3: I mean, he'll he'll grab every equipment guy, every like

974
00:40:27,626 --> 00:40:29,986
Speaker 3: strength coach. He just wants to play catch the entire

975
00:40:30,026 --> 00:40:32,626
Speaker 3: pregame and even during practice, like if the defense is

976
00:40:32,666 --> 00:40:34,906
Speaker 3: going he's over there like hey, hey, come over here

977
00:40:34,946 --> 00:40:36,026
Speaker 3: to the other field, like I just want I just

978
00:40:36,066 --> 00:40:37,706
Speaker 3: want to run some routs and catch like and he

979
00:40:37,786 --> 00:40:39,586
Speaker 3: just wants to catch all day long.

980
00:40:39,706 --> 00:40:42,386
Speaker 2: And I thought it was so cool, Like it was

981
00:40:42,426 --> 00:40:46,226
Speaker 2: the most fun. Uh. He truly just loved playing football.

982
00:40:46,546 --> 00:40:48,866
Speaker 1: I love that. Do you have a good Jerry Jones

983
00:40:48,906 --> 00:40:51,226
Speaker 1: story that's like I say, safe for but you know

984
00:40:51,426 --> 00:40:53,666
Speaker 1: it does Jerry Jones story that we could all say

985
00:40:53,666 --> 00:40:54,506
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool.

986
00:40:55,306 --> 00:40:59,946
Speaker 3: Oh, I love Jerry I could think of two, probably

987
00:41:00,026 --> 00:41:02,706
Speaker 3: one being for my first three or four years, he

988
00:41:02,786 --> 00:41:06,026
Speaker 3: thought I was keeling, but I was the third string QB,

989
00:41:06,106 --> 00:41:07,346
Speaker 3: so I something else say a word?

990
00:41:07,426 --> 00:41:09,506
Speaker 2: So why would you even even.

991
00:41:09,306 --> 00:41:11,226
Speaker 3: When I was first the uh, you know, I first

992
00:41:11,226 --> 00:41:12,706
Speaker 3: got a chance to be the coordinator, I think I

993
00:41:12,746 --> 00:41:14,946
Speaker 3: was still keeling at the time, but I wasn't gonna

994
00:41:14,986 --> 00:41:17,906
Speaker 3: saying things I keeling everyone's while I was calling.

995
00:41:18,466 --> 00:41:18,826
Speaker 1: Uh.

996
00:41:18,866 --> 00:41:20,106
Speaker 2: But you know, you just kind of go with it,

997
00:41:20,146 --> 00:41:21,786
Speaker 2: you know, like, hey, I'm.

998
00:41:21,706 --> 00:41:24,826
Speaker 1: Going Jerry, Joe, I'm happy, I don't care. Yeah, yeah.

999
00:41:24,866 --> 00:41:26,786
Speaker 3: And so in Dallas there was there tended to be

1000
00:41:26,786 --> 00:41:28,546
Speaker 3: a little bit of running joke of I was keeling,

1001
00:41:28,666 --> 00:41:31,546
Speaker 3: not killing. But you know, the other one I would

1002
00:41:31,546 --> 00:41:33,466
Speaker 3: think of was when we first got to the Star.

1003
00:41:33,586 --> 00:41:35,946
Speaker 3: This is probably twenty seventeen, they're eighteen, one of those

1004
00:41:35,986 --> 00:41:39,146
Speaker 3: one of those OTA times, And for people to understand

1005
00:41:39,146 --> 00:41:41,226
Speaker 3: the Star, there's a lot of commercial stuff going on

1006
00:41:41,306 --> 00:41:45,346
Speaker 3: around it as well as the football, right and so anyways,

1007
00:41:45,346 --> 00:41:47,546
Speaker 3: we're going through an OTA practice. Jason was the head

1008
00:41:47,546 --> 00:41:51,386
Speaker 3: coach at the time, and uh, the security officer, you know,

1009
00:41:51,386 --> 00:41:53,386
Speaker 3: the guy who kind of runs security there, Cable Johnson

1010
00:41:53,386 --> 00:41:54,786
Speaker 3: Apps And to come out and he's kind of waving

1011
00:41:54,866 --> 00:41:57,146
Speaker 3: Jason down in the middle of a practice like, hey,

1012
00:41:57,146 --> 00:41:59,706
Speaker 3: we got to move, we got to move and do

1013
00:41:59,786 --> 00:42:02,826
Speaker 3: the football team kind of like, and Jason has that

1014
00:42:02,946 --> 00:42:04,946
Speaker 3: dumb founder look like, what are you talking about? Like,

1015
00:42:05,146 --> 00:42:06,706
Speaker 3: we're in the middle of practices, I can We've got

1016
00:42:06,746 --> 00:42:10,506
Speaker 3: to move. The choppers come. The choppers coming, like straight

1017
00:42:10,506 --> 00:42:13,226
Speaker 3: out straight out of the movie. Everyone's kind of like, wait,

1018
00:42:13,226 --> 00:42:15,066
Speaker 3: so are we supposed to pause practice? And you see

1019
00:42:15,066 --> 00:42:18,906
Speaker 3: this chopper come. We've been around the buildings at the

1020
00:42:19,186 --> 00:42:21,186
Speaker 3: at the Star, and sure enough, here comes to chopper.

1021
00:42:21,186 --> 00:42:23,066
Speaker 3: It's got a lamb, it's got a lamd right on

1022
00:42:23,106 --> 00:42:26,066
Speaker 3: the field, and so everyone kind of cleared off. We

1023
00:42:26,106 --> 00:42:28,746
Speaker 3: had a nice little like extended water break. The chopper

1024
00:42:28,786 --> 00:42:31,706
Speaker 3: came through, got everyone where they needed to be, and

1025
00:42:31,746 --> 00:42:35,786
Speaker 3: then then practice resumed and so it was quite the experience.

1026
00:42:35,826 --> 00:42:37,066
Speaker 1: But that is so good.

1027
00:42:37,306 --> 00:42:40,266
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. You know. Jerry's Jerry's the absolute best.

1028
00:42:40,226 --> 00:42:43,426
Speaker 1: The biggest show in town. Man, it is, And I

1029
00:42:43,426 --> 00:42:45,706
Speaker 1: think he's still everyone what he does. The other owners

1030
00:42:45,746 --> 00:42:47,546
Speaker 1: still in a lot of ways still follow He's still

1031
00:42:47,546 --> 00:42:49,866
Speaker 1: the leader of that group, and of course the NFL,

1032
00:42:49,946 --> 00:42:52,506
Speaker 1: he's one of the biggest characters himself. My last question,

1033
00:42:53,986 --> 00:42:56,226
Speaker 1: your message to Chargers fans as we head to twenty

1034
00:42:56,226 --> 00:42:58,826
Speaker 1: twenty three and they're so excited. In fact, I was

1035
00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:01,586
Speaker 1: looking at a podcast. It's like the Lockdown Chargers podcast.

1036
00:43:01,626 --> 00:43:04,186
Speaker 1: It's like, are we too excited for Kellen Moore's offense?

1037
00:43:04,226 --> 00:43:05,826
Speaker 1: Like it's getting to that point. What would be your

1038
00:43:05,866 --> 00:43:08,186
Speaker 1: message for a fan base that is just so hungry

1039
00:43:08,426 --> 00:43:09,266
Speaker 1: for some success.

1040
00:43:09,506 --> 00:43:11,146
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're just gonna have fun. We're just

1041
00:43:11,146 --> 00:43:11,786
Speaker 2: gonna go for it.

1042
00:43:12,146 --> 00:43:13,906
Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing that we're excited for

1043
00:43:14,066 --> 00:43:16,226
Speaker 3: is we got a group who can do do some

1044
00:43:16,266 --> 00:43:18,826
Speaker 3: really good things, and we're excited to build this thing

1045
00:43:18,866 --> 00:43:21,826
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty three. And so whatever that offense ends

1046
00:43:21,866 --> 00:43:23,786
Speaker 3: up looking like as we go through training camp.

1047
00:43:23,746 --> 00:43:25,986
Speaker 2: We'll build it however we need to. But you know,

1048
00:43:26,026 --> 00:43:27,626
Speaker 2: we're gonna be aggressive. We're going to go for it.

1049
00:43:27,826 --> 00:43:30,546
Speaker 1: I said in the monologue that there's an annual party

1050
00:43:30,666 --> 00:43:33,106
Speaker 1: out in the Hamptons in New York and it's thrown

1051
00:43:33,146 --> 00:43:35,586
Speaker 1: by Michael Rubin, who's the CEO of Fanatics, and the

1052
00:43:35,626 --> 00:43:38,706
Speaker 1: biggest stars in music and the biggest stars in the

1053
00:43:38,746 --> 00:43:40,426
Speaker 1: NBA go and every year there's a couple of NBA

1054
00:43:40,506 --> 00:43:43,066
Speaker 1: guys that make it. Would you say, Justin Herbert's probably

1055
00:43:43,106 --> 00:43:43,946
Speaker 1: not going to be at that.

1056
00:43:43,866 --> 00:43:47,586
Speaker 2: Party, probably not, Probably not Gene Oregon.

1057
00:43:48,986 --> 00:43:51,906
Speaker 1: He'll be a Eugene, Oregon watching fireworks from a far

1058
00:43:51,986 --> 00:43:55,026
Speaker 1: distance away thinking about football, which is probably a good thing.

1059
00:43:55,786 --> 00:43:58,066
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, this was awesome. We appreciate you taking the time.

1060
00:43:58,106 --> 00:44:00,026
Speaker 1: You went forty minutes, went over time with us, and

1061
00:44:00,426 --> 00:44:03,346
Speaker 1: I can't say how excited I am enough for this

1062
00:44:03,466 --> 00:44:05,906
Speaker 1: Chargers offense with you and Herbert together, But I also

1063
00:44:05,906 --> 00:44:07,866
Speaker 1: know Brandon's quite well and thank you. Guys are going

1064
00:44:07,906 --> 00:44:11,106
Speaker 1: to be a great team as far as offensive coordinator

1065
00:44:11,146 --> 00:44:13,866
Speaker 1: slash head coach or offensive coordinator then him as the

1066
00:44:13,906 --> 00:44:15,866
Speaker 1: head coach. But I just thank you for coming on

1067
00:44:15,906 --> 00:44:17,226
Speaker 1: the podcast. It was really cool you're doing this.

1068
00:44:17,346 --> 00:44:18,386
Speaker 2: No appreciate it. Thanks Peter.

1069
00:44:18,986 --> 00:44:22,506
Speaker 1: That was awesome, Kellen Moore. Great if you're a Chargers fan,

1070
00:44:22,586 --> 00:44:24,146
Speaker 1: you got to come away from that thing just feeling

1071
00:44:24,426 --> 00:44:28,026
Speaker 1: confident that you're in competent hands and Justin herbertson a

1072
00:44:28,186 --> 00:44:32,226
Speaker 1: very good situation. To you guys, the listeners, Thanks so much.

1073
00:44:32,666 --> 00:44:35,826
Speaker 1: Enjoy your July fourth weekend. Continue to subscribe. Tell your

1074
00:44:35,826 --> 00:44:37,666
Speaker 1: friends I don't think any other podcast is doing it

1075
00:44:37,706 --> 00:44:40,386
Speaker 1: the way we are. We're getting these guys that don't

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Speaker 1: have to do it. They're doing it voluntarily. This isn't

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Speaker 1: through an entire booking situation. These are me reaching out

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Speaker 1: to these coaches and these gms and them agreeing to

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Speaker 1: do it, and it's so appreciated. Kellen Moore is a

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Speaker 1: great interview. He's also a great dad and leader of men.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see what they do in LA,

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Speaker 1: but I'm also excited to see who we get up

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Speaker 1: next on this podcast. Enjoy July fourth, everyone, Please be safe,

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Speaker 1: do not drink and drive, and just enjoy the time

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Speaker 1: away if you can get some. All right, till next week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm Peter Schrager, Aaron wan Kaufman, the producer,

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Speaker 1: Grace Fuse just kicking butt as a fill in producer,

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Speaker 1: also the editor of this thing, Jason English, and then

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Speaker 1: of course all the NFL network folks on the West Coast.

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Speaker 1: Enjoyed July fourth, Everybody. The Season with Peter Schrager is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. For

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