WEBVTT - All About Alligators

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Couldn't come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a jokey nickname. Jerry's here to everybody. Uh, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is stuff you should know the um that's not a

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<v Speaker 1>Noith edition. So uh. After researching alligators and looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of videos of alligators, you're an expert on alligators,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an expert. No. Um. I had seen plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>alligator footage and things, and I never really just sat

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<v Speaker 1>and really really watched them for long. And once you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, you cannot help. But just think, what era

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<v Speaker 1>am I living in here to be watching this weird,

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<v Speaker 1>crazy looking dinosaur dragon beast walking along? Okay, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta see him walk, like seeing him swimming around, that's great,

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<v Speaker 1>But when you see them walking around with their bellies

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<v Speaker 1>off the ground, it looks crazy. Yeah, especially if you

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<v Speaker 1>have the theme to the Alfred Hitchcock shows playing alongside

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<v Speaker 1>of it works really well. They look crazy. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't look like something that should be walking

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<v Speaker 1>along on today's Earth. Did you know that the theme

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<v Speaker 1>from the Alfred Hitchcock show is called The March of

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<v Speaker 1>the Marionettes. I didn't know that. It is, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>how does it go? Dude? Do do Do Do Do

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<v Speaker 1>Do Do Do Do Do Do do good evening, do

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<v Speaker 1>do do do do do do do. It's so nice

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<v Speaker 1>you can't sing. Have you seen an alligator in real

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<v Speaker 1>life in the wild? Uh? Yeah, sure. I talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it at one point when I did my Oky Finoki

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<v Speaker 1>swamp paddle and we woke up in the morning on

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<v Speaker 1>our camping pad that they just have stationed periodically along

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<v Speaker 1>the canoe trail. Well, now we know those things must

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<v Speaker 1>be at least five ft above the water, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you, I don't know if it was or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But now that I've read this that they can jump

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<v Speaker 1>out of the water that high, I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not something they often do. But you know, we woke

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<v Speaker 1>up surrounded by alligators growling at us or groaning or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they're doing. It's just sort of a are you

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<v Speaker 1>sure they were alligators and not crocodiles? I'm almost sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a little bit of statistics to back

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<v Speaker 1>that up. Um. Even though the Okay finok is not Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are about I'm sorry, yeah, it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been crocodiles. Um about ten if I'm sorry. Five

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<v Speaker 1>million American alligators one point to five million in Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas Florida only has about a hundred crocodiles. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand. Cheez, I get this all wrong. One point

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<v Speaker 1>two five million alligators in Florida, one thousand crocodiles. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only place on Earth where crocodiles and alligators

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<v Speaker 1>live in the same place. Yeah, down in the Everglades. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's evergladiers just like whatever, man bring it. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not nile crocodiles. There's a specific kind of crocodile called

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<v Speaker 1>the American crocodile, just like there's the American alligator. It

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<v Speaker 1>just sounds like the the Is that a crocodile or

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<v Speaker 1>an alligator? I think it's an all like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a gaddile. I remember that poster from the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>It said, like, save an alligator, eat a preppy. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>what is your tattoo? Say? Oh? Wait, wrong one. It

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<v Speaker 1>clearly has the rounded snout. We'll get to the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between them. This is mainly about alligators though, uh as

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<v Speaker 1>as these like I just called them almost dinosaurs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're amazed by that. It came through in the

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<v Speaker 1>article you put together. Yeah, it's amazing. Or dragons, Like

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you see the closeup of a dragon, they have

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<v Speaker 1>that same sort of scale male armoring. Chucky realized that

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<v Speaker 1>dragons are made up by humans who have probably seen alligators,

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly. I think we probably talked about that in

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<v Speaker 1>our Dragons episode. Surely we did. So let's let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about gators. Huh. Yeah, we are talking gators and they

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<v Speaker 1>like I love among them, Like there's one like just

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<v Speaker 1>outside of my condo and the ponds that we have here,

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<v Speaker 1>and figured them a lot around here. You just have

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<v Speaker 1>to like be on your guard, just knowing when you're

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<v Speaker 1>walking a little moment around not alongside bushes you can't

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<v Speaker 1>see through and just stuff like that. Don't walk her

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<v Speaker 1>around a pond. Um, just have to be a little

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<v Speaker 1>extra smart, and they generally tend to leave you alone. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>but stick to inner city parking lots exactly. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>only place she's put her in the car, drive into

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<v Speaker 1>the city, let her out, and put her back him.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, like they're fascinating in and of themselves. It

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<v Speaker 1>never ceases to amaze me to look at an alligator.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, I've had no idea how amazing they actually are.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that you put put down

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<v Speaker 1>there was that they have intensely small brains, like the

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<v Speaker 1>average alligators many feet long ten nine to eleven feet

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<v Speaker 1>long probably on average, um often quite longer, but that

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<v Speaker 1>their brain is only like eight or nine grahams. And

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<v Speaker 1>then this how Stuff Works article, it says that would

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<v Speaker 1>take up one half of a tablespoon, So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>really small brain. And on the one hand, that means

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<v Speaker 1>that like if you had an alligator as a pet,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a terrible idea. It's a terrible, terrible idea,

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<v Speaker 1>like that alligator is never going to come to love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Or two, there's never going to be a point where

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<v Speaker 1>you can let your guard down and relax because this

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<v Speaker 1>alligator is not going to eat The alligator would eat

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<v Speaker 1>you like the first moment it occurred to it to

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<v Speaker 1>eat you. Right, Yeah, But they're so they're killing machines

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<v Speaker 1>in that sense, they're like mindless killing machines. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that they are way smarter than they should be for

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<v Speaker 1>having a brain the size of half of a table spoon.

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<v Speaker 1>They can do things like climb chain link fences. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you ever see a video of that? Terrifying? They can

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<v Speaker 1>climb trees. Um. They have been shown to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to escape enclosures, like not randomly either,

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<v Speaker 1>like looking for ways out, and can actually like manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate vents and stuff like that. And somebody found that

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<v Speaker 1>they use tools and that they will put sticks on

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<v Speaker 1>their snouts, like they'll gather sticks on their snouts and

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<v Speaker 1>um yeah to uh to attract migratory birds who might

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<v Speaker 1>be nesting, so that they might come to grab a

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<v Speaker 1>stick and then the alligator gets them. It's way smarter

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<v Speaker 1>than you would think for something that has a brain

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a half of a table spoon. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>the uh. Some of this came from the House stu

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<v Speaker 1>Works article I believe written by House of Works founder

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall Brain. Oh boy, uh ben a while since I've

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<v Speaker 1>read one of those. But he called them instinctual living machines,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is a great band name. But what

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<v Speaker 1>he basically means is if an alligator is hungry. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna eat something, period. Like that's all. It's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like the description of the great white shark and jaws,

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<v Speaker 1>Like all it does is swim and eat like an

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<v Speaker 1>alligator basically just wants to eat and hang around. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They are reptiles members of the Crocodilia order, of which

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<v Speaker 1>there are twenty three different species, including those crocodiles of

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<v Speaker 1>different stripes and sizes and caymans, which we're not really

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about much in here. The poor cayman

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<v Speaker 1>never gets any of the it's like, but the Crocodilia

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<v Speaker 1>as we know it, and that body for has been

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<v Speaker 1>around for more than a hundred and eighty million years, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know is you got that big head, you

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<v Speaker 1>got that big lizard like body, you got those little

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<v Speaker 1>stubby legs. And when they bring that belly off the

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<v Speaker 1>ground to walk on them, it looks super greepy. And

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<v Speaker 1>they got that big long tail that looks like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just made for for whacking things. Yes, and the

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<v Speaker 1>tail um keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger as

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<v Speaker 1>the gator grows. Um, and it might not usually I

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<v Speaker 1>think tops out at maturity. I think when they reach

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<v Speaker 1>sexual maturities about the time they they stopped growing. They

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<v Speaker 1>used to think that they alligator would just grow indefinitely

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<v Speaker 1>as it aged goldfish. Yeah, but now there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>top size for it. They realize. Um, but the tail

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<v Speaker 1>might not keep getting longer, but it can keep getting

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<v Speaker 1>fatter because that's where the gator stores it's fat. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fat reserves. Any excess energy gets stored in its tail,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of the things that makes gator tail

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<v Speaker 1>so ridiculously delicious if you're into that kind of thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you mentioned, Uh, they can grow on average about

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<v Speaker 1>eleven feet as if they're male five to seven hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>The ladies are a little shorter. They're about eight feet

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<v Speaker 1>long and way about half as much. But um, there

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<v Speaker 1>was one that I had looked up. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>still alive. Um, if the Alligator Adventures, Gator Park and

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<v Speaker 1>Myrtle Beaches, they're at least not advertising that utan has

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<v Speaker 1>passed away. Yeah, he looked like he was still there

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<v Speaker 1>based on their website. I think so unless they're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell anyone Utan died, and you know, we're just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get people in the door. They just have

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<v Speaker 1>an intern wearing Utan's right. Well, Utan, my friends, was

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<v Speaker 1>born in nineteen sixty four, and it's just over eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>feet long and weighs two thousand pounds. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to see something that looks like it, it's c

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<v Speaker 1>g I from a movie. Just go look at Utan

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<v Speaker 1>and how big this thing is. And watch the people

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the cage with Utan feeding at those

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<v Speaker 1>skinned rabbits. Wow, I mean they're in there in Utan.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is the deal is, as long as you're

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<v Speaker 1>feeding Utan, you can do this show. Uh. And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we should go ahead and tell people that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>now is a good time to say that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>eat that much for as big as they are. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very surprising how little an alligator needs to eat to survive. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They I think they feed this thing a rabbit. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be uh in bite sized chunks. They

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<v Speaker 1>can't you know, it's not like a python that can

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<v Speaker 1>swallow these eat these big things whole. Although it did

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<v Speaker 1>see a video of a python eating an alligator, which

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<v Speaker 1>was remarkable. It was a small alligator, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a big python. You know what I'm saying. I know you,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I know what you know what I'm laid down? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what was I saying though you were saying it bites

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<v Speaker 1>they like bite size, so they don't need Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to eat that much compared to their size,

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<v Speaker 1>and then go a long time without eating because of

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<v Speaker 1>those fat stores. Right. Um. And when a long time

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<v Speaker 1>like you're you mean a long time like a week

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<v Speaker 1>usually in between feedings in the wild, right yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>if if if the s is hitting the fan for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, alligators can shut it down for a year

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<v Speaker 1>or two. I know that's like using up a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fat up. But they have some skinny little tails. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>probably when they're by the end of a year. But

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<v Speaker 1>but a week in the wild to One thing I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see though, was exactly how much it takes to

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<v Speaker 1>fill them up, like how much percentage of their body

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<v Speaker 1>way to the eat, Like is a rabbit enough for

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<v Speaker 1>a week or is that like once a day kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. It's a daily thing, just because I think

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<v Speaker 1>they probably try and do a little feeding show every day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Um. One of the things, um, that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people might not realize because they're so often associated

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<v Speaker 1>with coastal areas, is that alec heres are freshwater. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that I did? Okay, surely there's somebody out

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<v Speaker 1>there who fits the bill with what I just described

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<v Speaker 1>there like what like, But they are freshwater. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things about like Florida's, if there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>something larger than an ephemeral puddle, there's probably an alligator

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Like they Yes, they'll any body of water.

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<v Speaker 1>They will inhabit a pond, a lake, a river, a stream,

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<v Speaker 1>a canal, an irrigation ditch, a drainage ditch, whatever. As

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<v Speaker 1>long as there's fresh water available, they will um hang

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<v Speaker 1>out there. And even when it dries up, they'll they'll

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<v Speaker 1>um dig what are called alligator den's that is basically

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<v Speaker 1>a burrow back down into the water table, and that

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<v Speaker 1>when some of these uh like more ephemeral wetlands kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dry up, the alligator den um might be the

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<v Speaker 1>only place in the area that has water. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when the alligator leaves, they're leaving that water behind, that

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<v Speaker 1>water filled hole behind, and then when that dries up,

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<v Speaker 1>it provides a burrow for other animals that burrow as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So there for and that reason, they're considered a keystone

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<v Speaker 1>species in their ecosystem. It's just about to ask are

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<v Speaker 1>the keystone. They're so keystone, dude, it's like keystone species. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's take a little break. I'm all worked

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<v Speaker 1>up and I'm all over the place, So I'll refocus

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be back right after this. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>learn about a terrosorticel, how to take a proprit with

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<v Speaker 1>all about fractal kiscon. That's a little hun the Lizzie

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<v Speaker 1>Border murders and they kind of all runs on the

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<v Speaker 1>plane every day that we should know. Word up, Jerry Stuck,

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<v Speaker 1>Stuck Stuck. I don't know that you know it. Stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in this stucks. It's a great name, that's the name

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<v Speaker 1>of it. It's a great name. Alright, Stuck st with

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<v Speaker 1>with an X. Okay, so I did mention. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I should just point out since I mentioned Utan's age

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<v Speaker 1>of fifty seven years old, born in sixty four. That's

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<v Speaker 1>in captivity. I think they can live a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but more like forty years in the wild. Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven is you know, that's really on the highside.

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<v Speaker 1>Utan is doing quite well in captivity. But I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>Utanan's towards the in the twilight years. Yeah, I've seen though, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple of I saw a couple of articles

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<v Speaker 1>that said, you know, some alligator was captured based on

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<v Speaker 1>that and that was estimated to be about a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years old. Um, so I don't think it is necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>like just ridiculously unheard of. But I saw in Smithsonian

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<v Speaker 1>Zoo I believe they're pretty legit. They said fifty is

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<v Speaker 1>usually around the average. I think for a wild alligator,

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<v Speaker 1>probably a lot of that is humans cutting that average down.

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess, Yeah, we'll talk about poaching in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>That's definitely an issue. Um, should we talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>armor plating? Yes? I think we should. This stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>cool And what made me kind of think of this

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with was watching that dumb show I talked

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<v Speaker 1>about before a Loan Beast where they drop you off

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<v Speaker 1>and give you a dead animal and no tools. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the Buyou they gave people alligators and people had

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to cut into this alligator without knives.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, they do the same for these for

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<v Speaker 1>mammals on other episodes, but the alligator was a particular

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<v Speaker 1>challenge because of this armor plating that they have, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just really super tough to get into. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's called osteoderms or scoots. I prefer osteoderms, don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a scooter, okay, Um, But that is that's one

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<v Speaker 1>reason why it's really hard to kill an alligator especially um,

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<v Speaker 1>like as far as hunting alligators goes, um, the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Florida in particular really ties your hands with what

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<v Speaker 1>you can use um, and it really gives the alligators

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<v Speaker 1>like a fighting chance and they literally tie your hands.

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<v Speaker 1>They do. They push you into the water, bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>gators and say you shouldn't be hunting. Um. So they

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<v Speaker 1>literally do have that kind of like the bony plates

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<v Speaker 1>underneath their skin, which does make them pretty tough. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite being weighed down by what amounts to like

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<v Speaker 1>plate mail armor, they're surprisingly fast. And we did this, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we did an episode years and years ago. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember whether whether yeah, in a zigzag pattern And the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to that is absolutely not. Don't do that because

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<v Speaker 1>the allegory will probably catch you because it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>run straight, because it's going to be smarter than you

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<v Speaker 1>and that uh in that moment. But um, they can

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<v Speaker 1>top out at about like eleven miles an hour on land. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's you know, if you're just a regular human,

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<v Speaker 1>you may be able to run that fast at top

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<v Speaker 1>speed for a little while at your sprint. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>alligators are mainly that's there. You know, they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of stamina, but they can't get after you

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<v Speaker 1>really fast. And if you've ever seen a video of

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<v Speaker 1>them coming out of the water to get something unsuspecting

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<v Speaker 1>creature on the shore, uh, you know how fast they

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<v Speaker 1>can be. It did crack me up in this article

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<v Speaker 1>how they were talking about you know that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have much staminaus because the way their respiration works, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you need to just all you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>is just outrun an alligator for like thirty minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll tire out, right, And that's three minutes. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a lot of that's a lot I would

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<v Speaker 1>tire out. I know, the alligator just laugh and laugh

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<v Speaker 1>as it swam away, like sucker. Five more minutes I

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<v Speaker 1>would have been tired out. But you only made it

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty five minutes, that's right. So one of the

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<v Speaker 1>other things is, uh, we said that they're freshwater, right

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<v Speaker 1>and not salty. It's because they lack of salt gland,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something things like sharks and shorebirds have their

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<v Speaker 1>glands that actually excrete excess salt from the body. Um

0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.359
<v Speaker 1>alligators don't have that. That's why they prefer fresh water.

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<v Speaker 1>But they can hang out in water as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it's freshwater. And they have a lot of cool add

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<v Speaker 1>up to atians. Remember their reptiles, they're not amphibians. Their

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<v Speaker 1>lizards basically that can hang out in the water, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes them pretty interesting in and of themselves. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that they have are um nictitating membranes over

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<v Speaker 1>their eyelids, which are just these clear second islands. They

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<v Speaker 1>have regular eyelids like we do, but underneath those they

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<v Speaker 1>have ones that come over as like a clear film

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<v Speaker 1>that cover their eyes so that they can see underwater. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like a contact lens goggle hybrid. Yeah and

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<v Speaker 1>yeah and it and it functions exactly as that they

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<v Speaker 1>can see really well underwater. And I think they go

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<v Speaker 1>back to front instead of just the regular top to

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<v Speaker 1>bottom eyelids that they have. That's pretty neat. And the

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<v Speaker 1>other cool thing is when they do get underwater, they

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<v Speaker 1>can they close up all their holes, all their orifices. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they have flaps on the ears. Are you laughing at that?

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<v Speaker 1>They have flaps that close on their ears and their nostrils. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they have those inner eyelids already closing, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>have a flap called the palateo valve or palatal valve

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<v Speaker 1>probably that's what I had in my head, that closes

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<v Speaker 1>at the back of the throat, and that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep water out of the stomachs and the lung the stomach,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's more than one, the stomach and the lungs,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when they dive, there's no water getting in anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can stay down there for ten or twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes on a regular dive, or if there is some

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<v Speaker 1>weird reason, some threat that they have to stay under

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of hours and just really rest and

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<v Speaker 1>chill out, they can do that too. Yeah. And that

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<v Speaker 1>palatal valve too means that, um, they can open their

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<v Speaker 1>mouths without water getting into their lungs, which means they

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<v Speaker 1>can carry their prey underwater. They can bite still and

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate things using their mouth underwater without drowning, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a big advantage, as we'll see because we're talking now,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck about the alligator diet and here's where it gets gnarly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the creepiest style of feeding. I think they are lurkers. Yeah,

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.240
<v Speaker 1>they're not hunters, they're not gathers there lurkers. Yeah. There's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like ticks. They wait for something to keep

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<v Speaker 1>come close enough for them to get it. Basically, they

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<v Speaker 1>stay very still. They just got those little eyeballs over

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<v Speaker 1>the water. Maybe they're nostrils if they want to breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>When you when you notice one that you hadn't noticed

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<v Speaker 1>before and they're so still, yeah, well that's why when

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<v Speaker 1>okay pinoki, we heard the growling and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>wtf is going on? Because it's not like you look

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<v Speaker 1>up and there's a bunch of alligators having coffee on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the water, like you had to look and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, they're everywhere. It's very chilling,

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<v Speaker 1>like your your fingers going to your mouth, like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. Uh. They don't have really sharp teeth though,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean those teeth look super scary. Their teeth actually

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.960
<v Speaker 1>aren't even very sharp. They look really gnarly in their mouth,

0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.879
<v Speaker 1>but they're more for crushing, like because they need to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to break bone and like break a big

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<v Speaker 1>sea turtle shell. Yeah, they've got some really strong jaws.

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<v Speaker 1>Their jaws have been shown to be about three to

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<v Speaker 1>exert about three thousand, three thousand p s I, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think makes them the sixth strongest bite on earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and crocodiles have them beat by about eight hundred p

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<v Speaker 1>s I. Yeah, crocodiles are number one. They have the

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<v Speaker 1>strongest bite. And for reference, if you're not down with

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<v Speaker 1>p s I, like you can't, just to me immediately

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<v Speaker 1>imagine what you're talking about when you hear three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>p s I. Lions and tigers. Adult lions and tigers

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<v Speaker 1>typically have bites of around a thousand p s I.

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<v Speaker 1>So gators and crocodiles are are mucco macho when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to bite strength. I guess is how you put

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<v Speaker 1>it if you were insane. Yeah. At one point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>we did an episode on the Worst Ways to Die?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a Worst way to die? About a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and I don't think this is included, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to put it on the list because

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<v Speaker 1>when an alligator gets ahold of you, it's goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to drag you into the water and drown you as

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting essentially, you know have the most pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>pressure per square inch put down on your body as

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.520
<v Speaker 1>your bones and ribs or snack or snacking, they're snapping

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:25.680
<v Speaker 1>your most snackid almost gonna that that's what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They drown you and crush you basically and close that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, close that flap so they're not drowning again.

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<v Speaker 1>And then eventually they'll they'll tear you up into bite

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<v Speaker 1>sized chunks because they can't, like I said, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>um Like I get the feeling when this guy was

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<v Speaker 1>feeding it the rabbit that was sort of a max size. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they want, like you said, bite size for gator, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's about the size of a rabbit. They

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<v Speaker 1>want bite sized chunks because they swallow everything whole and

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<v Speaker 1>they just digest it to They digest everything they eat,

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<v Speaker 1>including bone. Um. But if they happen to catch prey,

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<v Speaker 1>and we should say here, like yes, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible way to die. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>an alligator, you would think they must kill people like

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<v Speaker 1>every day. Apparently it's vanishingly rare that somebody like you're

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<v Speaker 1>about fifty six times more likely to die of a

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<v Speaker 1>hornet wasper beasting um in the United States than you

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<v Speaker 1>are of an alligator attack UM, and I think they

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<v Speaker 1>get about one person a year UM and unfortunately that

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<v Speaker 1>person is usually under age twelve because they basically attack

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<v Speaker 1>based on size, they size up prey. It is, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's very unlikely that that would happen, but yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>would suck terribly. But more likely if you are a

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<v Speaker 1>deer or like a wart hog or some other like

0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 1>larger animal in Florida that might wander too close to

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<v Speaker 1>the banks of a um a pond and you're caught

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<v Speaker 1>by a gator. UM. That gator is going to take

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<v Speaker 1>you and stash you under a log as you were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and is going to just leave you there for a

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<v Speaker 1>few days a week maybe and basically let you um

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<v Speaker 1>ripen so that you're it's easier to tear bite size

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<v Speaker 1>chunks of your rotting flash off from and then they

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<v Speaker 1>have to bring you up to the surface to to

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<v Speaker 1>toss you into the air and eat you um because

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<v Speaker 1>they have to open that palatal valve. Man. There's one

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<v Speaker 1>other thing about gators eating, we should say, is that

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<v Speaker 1>they use what's called twist feeding, or more commonly known

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<v Speaker 1>as the death roll, where they just basically spin on

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<v Speaker 1>the axis. I'm not sure if that would be yaw

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<v Speaker 1>control or what, but they spin around lengthwise um in

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<v Speaker 1>the water and it's weird what they're doing. I thought

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it was just for drowning um, but actually what they're

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 1>doing is there. Actually it's like a type of um

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 1>biomechanical manipulation where they're actually trying to pull you apart

0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the way of just pulling you apart. And there's this

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<v Speaker 1>video of a dude at some like see life UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess an aquarium or something like that, some demonstration

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<v Speaker 1>or show where he's showing how he can stick his

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<v Speaker 1>hand in this this gator's mouth, maybe a crocodile, And

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<v Speaker 1>of course the alligator crocodile clamps down on his arm

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<v Speaker 1>um and catches him really well and immediately starts doing

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<v Speaker 1>a death roll, and you can see the way that

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 1>guy's arm twists. He had to roll with it. This

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>guy suddenly rolled like he was hoist gracy and was

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 1>grappling all of a sudden with this alligator. But when

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't able to roll as fast, you could see

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 1>the direction that his arm was going that the alligator

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>crocodile is about to just twist it clean off just

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 1>from this this um, this twist feeding it was doing.

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's pretty ingenious, clever way to break something into

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>bite size chunks. But that's why they do that death

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>roll is to literally tear you apart so that they

0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>can eat you more efficiently. You gotta do with Steve Winwood.

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>You gotta with a baby that's right or in access

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and be like, never tear us apart. Oh wow, did

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 1>you have that planned? No? How could I possibly plan that?

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know? Oh man r I P Michael Hutchins.

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I know. I thought it was from earlier when I

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>texted you just get ready for the Steve Winwood joke,

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and then I said, I've got my own l well um.

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>And here's the thing with that, the fresh water like

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>launching off, the from the water to the shore thing

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>is that we've all seen the videos of the animals

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>that are just like, oh, I'd like I have to drink.

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>It presents a real conundrum for mammals or anything really

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 1>on shore. That's like I've got to get some of

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>that water, like I needed to live. Like you look

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>around you look around your wart hog uh or or

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:55.919
<v Speaker 1>have Alina, and you're like, I don't see anything. I

0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>don't even see those eyeballs. And you you sneak down

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>to that shore to two ft in front of them,

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 1>there's an alligator. They're waiting, yep. And then that's it

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.200
<v Speaker 1>for the Havelina unless he can run away quickly, which

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>as we've seen, that's possible. Oh, that's Havelna's cold truck.

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>And I could see that Havevelina is still continuing to

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>run like a mile after that alligator gave up. Can't

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 1>you so chuck? Because they are so um, just vicious

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>when they're eating, and that they're eating machines, killing machines

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways. Like it's it's not really

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>easy for most humans to sympathize with alligators. They they

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>got a bad rap for a very long time, and

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>um people used to kill them especially. I don't know

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>if we said their range goes from about North Carolina

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 1>down to Texas along the southeastern United States. That's where

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>you're going to find the American alligator. Yeah, and then

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 1>in China, not for the American, but they have alligators

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 1>in China. Yes, it's the Chinese alligator. It's much smaller.

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.360
<v Speaker 1>It goes to about five ft and it is critically endangered.

0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Now you can only find out on the lower yang Z.

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 1>But now American alligators are doing so well that I

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 1>saw their starting to show up in Tennessee. Yes, they

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>now there. They have extended their range to include Tennessee,

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 1>which is nuts because it gets cold in Tennessee. Well,

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.360
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about later how they adapted to that. But um,

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>because they are these killing, vicious machines. Some of the

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>early um Europeans who lived in the in the southeastern

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>United States first showed up there. Um they would kill alligators,

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 1>mostly as like a matter of course, like you see

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>an alligator, you don't want anywhere near your cattle or

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 1>your livestocks, so you kill the alligator. And that was

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 1>about that. It wasn't a huge problem for the alligators

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>because there were so many alligators, way more than there

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 1>are now. Um. But then as more and more people

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>came along and human civilization encroached further and further onto

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>alligators land, there were more and more encounters. There were

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>more and more, um, gruesome discoveries when you called in

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the cattle from pasture um, and more and more alligators

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>started getting killed. But then it was the French. It

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>was late Francais that really brought about the near extinction

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>of alligators in America. Strangely enough, that's right because French

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>designer said, you know what looks fantastic is a handbag

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>made from alligator or maybe some alligator shoes. And then

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, in just a hundred years, uh,

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>in Florida they killed an estimated ten million alligators, and

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>by the nineteen fifties, I believe the entire United States

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>only had about a hundred thousand alligators. Yes, dude, that

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>is awfully close to expe Yeah, yeah, especially I mean

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>considering there are five million now. Um. So, Florida outlawed

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 1>alligator hunting in nineteen sixty two, then federally five years

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.239
<v Speaker 1>later they did the same thing with its classification as

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 1>an endangered animal. And uh, in just a few years though,

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>things they came roaring back, literally, because alligators have a

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of a unique breeding such wation and that they

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>recover very quickly because they can lay a lot of eggs.

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 1>A female alligator lays about thirty to fifty eggs, buries

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>them in rotting vegetation, and they're a little a little

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>bigger than a big chicken egg they're not huge, and

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>that nest is like sort of like a compost ban

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>it provides this heat. And this, to me is one

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>of the facts of the episode is the alligator will

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>be gendered depending on how hot that pile gets. Yeah,

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's real specific to like basically, if it's in

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the low eighty degrees fahrenheight, it's gonna be girls, right, Yes,

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>If it's in the higher eighties or low nineties, it's

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>going to be boys, little boys. And then if it's

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>in between, it's going to be a mix. Like that's

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.239
<v Speaker 1>how that's how close the threshold is. Is Like, if

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>it's between eight and ninety, like, that's just the smallest

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>ways in temperature is going to turn one into a

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>boy and turn one into a girl. Yeah, but if

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you're laying thirty to fifty eggs, I don't know about

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>survival rates, but let's say half of those survive. What's

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the number? So it depends are you're talking eggs or juveniles,

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>because let me just tell you. Let's start with eggs. Eggs.

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Okay, let's take them. Let's start with

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>taking them both together. How about that eighty percent of

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 1>alligators do not make it to adulthood. That's still a

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of alligators, that's my point. It is still a lot.

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Like if you're talking, I saw some um, some middle

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>aged females are able to lay up to ninety eggs

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>in a clutch at once. But so like, that's a lot.

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>But it makes a lot of sense that something like

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>eight percent of eggs and juvenile alligators would be killed

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>because alligators are in addition to being a keystone speacies,

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>they're also an apex predator, which means that they have

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>virtually no predators natural predators themselves, like the occasional anaconda python.

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Apparently maybe once in a while, like a big panther

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>will get ahold of one and kill it. But for

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the most part, the um, like an alligator, is not

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>going to be killed by anything other than a human

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>and adult alligator. So the way that alligator's population is

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>naturally controlled is by the faithful raccoon UM who comes

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>along and steals alligator eggs much at its own personal

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>risk UM, and in doing that and then also eating

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>like baby alligators after they've hatched hatchlings, UM, the alligator

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>population is controlled like rather than on the other end,

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>it's on the it's on the beginning end, which I

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>find fascinating. Nature is just gosh darn fascinating. I love it. Yeah,

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you want your mind blown, just look

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>at the video I saw of a leopard swimming through

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>a pond two to tackle an alligator on shore from

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>behind and drag it into the pond. I was like,

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, like my world has turned upside down,

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 1>isn't I thought it was the other way around. I

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't know these things. I didn't know any cat really

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed swimming. And this thing swam through the water and

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 1>stalked on land this alligator from behind and grabbed it

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and took it right back in the pond. I was like,

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>what is what world am I living in? As amazing?

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't watch that stuff anymore, though I don't mind,

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I know what you mean. Like Emily can't and never could.

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>And I was always like, you know, it's just the

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 1>life cyclists, the world's order, it's nature, and she's like,

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I know, but I don't care. I don't want to

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>watch it. And I was like, fair enough, so you can't.

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Now you can't watch it? Have I soapboxed about this? Recently?

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so let's hear it. She's like, why,

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>what's what's the problem? What changed? And I said, I

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>had to think about it, and I figured it out.

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 1>It's not that like what you've just described. I'm generally

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>okay with. I've read a lot of David Pierce, who's

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>this awesome philosopher who's on the end of the world,

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>and he basically says, no, that's suffering still, and we

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>should we should figure out how did program the biosphere

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>so that there's no suffering any longer, so that there

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>isn't that kind of stuff. But if you take all

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>that aside and you do just kind of subscribe to

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the natural order of things, then I'm fine with that.

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>What I realized I have a problem with is humans

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>training their cameras onto it and almost like purient interest

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>of death, of blood, of of the the end of life,

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of like viciousness, and that it's like it's that's I

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 1>don't like that impulse, and I certainly don't like celebrating

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and putting out on display and people not you, but

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, um, like like the conservationists even who

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>who who make documentaries like that saying like it's just

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>life it's just the natural cycle of things. Um, it's like, no,

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>that's it's it's almost like a form of like like

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>snuff pornography, but with animals. That's kind of how I've

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 1>come to feel about it. That's why I can't watch

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it anymore. I don't fault you for I'm just I

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>just I'm affected by it now and I wasn't before.

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what changed. Yeah, I hear you, I think,

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not defending myself here, but I think like

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I watch it through a very sort of scientific eye

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and like I definitely know that though there are people

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>that watch stuff like that where they're like yeah, right, yeah,

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>whereas I'm never like that. I'm always like, oh man,

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>that's terrible, Like I feel so bad for those animals,

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and like, boy, nature is rough, what I say when

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.919
<v Speaker 1>I turned the channel. Probably see it every time. Boy

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>nature is rough. But I'm never like I always feel

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 1>bad and it's always hard to watch. Right. Yeah, I

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.319
<v Speaker 1>know I'm with you now. I understand like I said,

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 1>like I was saying, I wasn't calling you or anybody

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 1>else out. It was more like I had never really

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 1>thought about why before, and it was definitely new so

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>I figured it was worth sharing. It is very much,

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and you did talk about that once you can't remember,

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>But well, then we're gonna edit all this out because

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. No, no, no, no, we're too young

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>to start having that little of cognitive decline. Do you

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>know that I couldn't add seven and six this morning?

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I think it's thirteen, and I was

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:16.479
<v Speaker 1>going on with my brain. It was troubling. I guess

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>let's put a button on the breeding and then we'll

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 1>take a break. But um, mommy is going to protect

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the nest as best as she can from those raccoons,

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and then about forty days later, those little hatchlings are

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 1>gonna make a little noise and then mama's going to

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>dig them out. And then Mama does something unique here,

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>uh in terms of modern reptiles, and that she's gonna

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>stick around and protect protect those little ladies and dudes.

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh if they get into trouble right away for a

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>little while. And that doesn't really happen with modern reptiles.

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>It's usually like you're on your own, here's the world.

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.359
<v Speaker 1>But Mama alligator is going to protect them for a bit,

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>which is something that certain dinosaur species did, which people

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 1>say like, hey, there you go, and that's why, as

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 1>you were saying earlier, like that they had this huge

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>comeback because of their reproductive strategies. Yeah, even of fifty

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.399
<v Speaker 1>eggs as a lot of gators. Yeah, because they get

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of big. It's like, well, let's take a break

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and we'll come back and talk a little more about

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Chuck, how about alligators sounds good. I

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>want to learn about a rosortic college, how to take

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>a perfect but with all about fractal getting kiscone, that's

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a little hun the Lizzie Border murders that they kind

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 1>of all runs want to play every day that we

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>should know. No word up, Jerry Stuck, stuck, stuck. I

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know that you know it stuck and stuck. It's

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a great name, that's the name of it. It's a

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>great name. Alright, stuck within with an X. So, Chuck,

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I told you that I saw that article about how

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it was from the Tennessee Valley Authority basically

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>saying like, yeah, there's alligators here now and they're here

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 1>to stay. You can probably thank climate change for that.

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I said that they didn't um I mean it's Tennessee

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Valley Authority. UM. But that just enjoy nature and steer

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>clear of them if you see them. That was the message.

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>It was like, yes, they're here, now, they're they're not

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>going anywhere, which I thought was pretty interesting. Um, because

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Tennessee can get pretty cold. It snows like just about

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>every year in Tennessee during the winter. UM. And you

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 1>think you know of gators, usually is something that live

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:33.720
<v Speaker 1>in very hot tropical climates, right, yeah, exactly, the reptiles.

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 1>They're cold blooded, they need to be warm. Well, they

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:40.839
<v Speaker 1>don't actually hibernate, I don't believe, like not technically. They

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>will burrow and hang out, but they're not like in

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a state of hibernation like you know, we did a

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>whole episode on that. UM. But when it snows, that

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 1>means that the water can freeze, and if they're in

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the water, chuck. They actually have a UM strategy for

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 1>dealing with these freezing temperatures, because, as everyone knows, if

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>a pond freezes, it'sund like the fish all die. Underneath

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>is actually a little warmer under towards the bottom than

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>it is up top. That's why it doesn't freeze all

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the way through solid um and the fish can hang

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.720
<v Speaker 1>out there as well. A gator can do the exact

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 1>same thing. And I think we should just share with

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the world with their strategy is because it's it's outstanding. Yeah,

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it could be summed up with two words.

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>And this is probably what they yell out when that

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 1>lake starts to freeze to each other. Nostrils out. That's right,

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of it. Yeah, they just think those little

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>snouts up so they can breathe, and then they just

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.720
<v Speaker 1>let the ice form around them and their little snout.

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>That's it. Have you seen a photo of that. I

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't look that up for some reason. It's pretty amazing. Yeah,

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's exactly what you think. It looks like

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a gator snout just barely sticking out of the

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>ice frozen pond. But they're just sitting there in in

0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a you know, they're not sitting there like doing their

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.279
<v Speaker 1>tax is there anything, Like they're in a very like

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>slow state of metabolism. But again they're not they're not hibernating,

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>and when the pond thaws enough, they'll break free and

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>swim away until the next time there's going to be

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 1>a freeze and then they'll say, what nostrils out? That's right. Uh.

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess The implication though, is that it's better to

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 1>be in that frozen lake than on the shore. That's

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>my that's my understanding. Again. I think maybe the water

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.439
<v Speaker 1>temperature is warmer than the air temperature below the ice.

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I guess because my thing would be like,

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 1>it takes a while if it's not like water doesn't

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>freeze in an instant, So I would be like, why

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>don't they just get out of the water, But they

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>must stay in there for a reason. Yeah. This is

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>in the day after tomorrow, for Pete's sake, man, that

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 1>poor Scottish helicopter guy. Goodness so um, so yes, they

0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:01.439
<v Speaker 1>can live in Tennessee. Now look out Tennessee. Um. One

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of the other things, Chuck, whether we've kind of talked

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>about is, you know, almost interchangeably talked about crocodiles and alligators,

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and they're definitely different. Um. And when you look at them,

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 1>if you know what you're looking for, you can very

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>easily differentiate between an alligator and a crocodile, right, Yeah,

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean my go to would be to look at

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>their teeth and if their mouths are shut. You can

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>see for both of them, you can see those upper

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 1>teeth pointing downward, but only for a crocodile can you

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>see those bottom teeth pointing up right? They have that

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 1>toothy grint is how it's put and it really is

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>an appropriate description it is. They're creepier looking, I think

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>because of that. But the the actual shape of this

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 1>nout is different to the alligators have a wider rounded

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 1>U shaped now and the crocodiles there's more long and

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 1>pointed and V shaped, And I think alligators have a

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.439
<v Speaker 1>wider upper jaw, and then the crocodile have the same

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>upper and lower jaw. That's why you can see those teeth. Man,

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>speaking of crocodile teeth, you know that bird that cleans

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 1>a crocodile's teeth? Yeah, I think I feel like I

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>remember that. Apparently that is a science nature myth. Oh,

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>that's sad. Supposedly there's no genuine photo documentary evidence of

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 1>this bird cleaning the crocodile's teeth, and that somehow somewhere

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>a legend of it grew up because that was like

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>an example of symbiosis, right, yes, exactly, but it's fake

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>symbiosis apparently, which is such a bummer. Man, man, I

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 1>know we got a bus myths. But yeah, well, well don't.

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to drag anyone down in the Alligator episode.

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 1>That's okay, you'll just as usual. Give me the the

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.399
<v Speaker 1>blue pill. I always forget which pill it is, Yeah,

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 1>blue pill, the blue Pill. You see that new Matrix

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 1>document or trailer, No, there's a new one. Uh is it?

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Is it like the same everybody? I believe it is

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:02.359
<v Speaker 1>just Lanta Wakowski, not both the Okowskis as far as

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>the filmmaking goes. But yeah, I mean it's Canu. And

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I saw what's her name? Oh what was her name?

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.240
<v Speaker 1>I had the biggest crush on her back then carry Moss,

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Carrie and Moss. She was great Memento and it looked

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>like a I don't think it's a d aged Larry Fishburn.

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just a younger actor that they got.

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 1>It looks a lot like Neo, not Neo. What was

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>his name? Jerry? Yeah, Laurence Fisherman's character and the Matrix

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 1>is Jerry, just like our Morpheus. Yeah right, And I

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 1>think even the lady was the in it. The the oracle. Yeah. Yeah,

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I think she's even in it. Oh, yeah, it looks

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. I don't know. I mean, I'll go see it. Yeah, sure,

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't though they burned us with the second third ones.

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't know about that, did they. I didn't

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 1>definitely wouldn't have seen the third, but I think I

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.760
<v Speaker 1>saw the second one. They weren't well regarded. Some people

0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 1>will defend them, but they're generally were not regarded. I see, okay, Uh,

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess quickly before we go, we should talk a

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 1>little bit about the fact that they do have a

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 1>hunting program in Florida. Now, after saying you can't kill

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>them at all, they have introduced a hunting program where

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>they issue a limited number of hunting permits. I believe

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 1>you can only capture a couple of them. Uh, and

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>their limits is to size and all that stuff. And

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess this is population control, right, I mean that's

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 1>what that's what hunters say usually, and apparently it has

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 1>like helps stabilize the population from basically every account I've seen.

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I know there was a big outcry because the year

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>after they took him off of the endangered list is

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 1>when they started the hunting program. Um. But from what

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I saw, it has kept the population stable. So um.

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's been going on for thirty years. And

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I know, like I said, they tie hunters hands in Florida,

0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 1>not literally you said, no firearms. They you can use

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 1>what's called a bang stick UM, which basically delivers one

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>um usually a forty four caliber charge bullet to the

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>back of the gader's head. It's basically like a like

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>a spear with a bullet coming out of the end. Um.

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 1>But that's it as far as like firearms go. You

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 1>can't use guns or anything like that. You can use

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 1>fishing fishing rods. Did you see that. Yeah. I also

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:32.319
<v Speaker 1>saw a video of a guy that was fishing in

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a Florida pond and an alligator came up on shore

0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>after him and he ran away like filming it. Well,

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 1>this is like people will fish for gators. They make

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>gator rods and like you know, you can use certain

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of fishing line and hooks to fish for gators. Um.

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 1>You can also use harpoons. You can use crossbows, bows

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.399
<v Speaker 1>and arrows. But again these are things. It's like, these

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>gators are tough and it takes a lot to like

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>fish for a gator and then fight it for thirty

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 1>minutes before you can bring it in. UM. So, you know,

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't advocate hunting in any form, but you know,

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.240
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like Florida's kind of set it up where

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 1>there's a um it's it's it's not just like you know,

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 1>like you can't shoot, uh exactly. Remember Internet hunting maybe

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the most despicable thing of all time. Yet I know,

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>hats off to you Mack in the day I was

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>assigned that and I was like, I'm not writing this, um,

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 1>but supposedly there are It's not like that by any stretch,

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 1>but supposedly a lot of the hunts, like especially if

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 1>you're an out of stater coming to Florida to hunt

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>an alligator, like a guy Ritchie type, um, and you

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 1>show up, you very well, maybe hunting a what amounts

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to a tame alligator from an alligator farm that has

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:53.439
<v Speaker 1>no fear of humans because it's been fed hand fed

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>chickens and rabbits its whole life and wants to come

0:46:56.520 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 1>toward you. UM, and that you probably you're going to

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 1>be hunting one of those. And it's perfectly legal, although

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of unethical. UM So if you are going

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.759
<v Speaker 1>to hunt alligators. Again, I don't advocate it. You really

0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 1>need to do your your research and your homework and

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 1>make sure you're dealing with a legit outfit. Yes, and

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.240
<v Speaker 1>because poaching in the black market is still a problem

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 1>since you brought it up, you should never feed alligators.

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.879
<v Speaker 1>And as a matter of fact, you as a bystander

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:29.440
<v Speaker 1>should feel comfortable yelling at somebody who's feeding an alligator. Yeah,

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not something you do for sport. I've seen it's terrible,

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>But I've seen people like drag meet behind their boat

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 1>just for fun to like tow an alligator along. Um,

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>keep your distance, like you said, don't don't walk your

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 1>small dogs near ponds or bushes where you can't really

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 1>see what's going on in there. And uh, if if

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.920
<v Speaker 1>you do get run at they do, say like you

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, to run straight as you can, fast as

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>you can. And if it happens to get ahold of you,

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you got to fight him like a shark. You gotta

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>hit him, you gotta poke out their eyes, you gotta

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>punch it in the head, go for the palatal valve.

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I've heard plenty of times. Yeah, Like, do whatever you

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 1>can because that alligator is going to need to adjust

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:15.360
<v Speaker 1>at some point. It's sort of like when you're playing uh,

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 1>tug of war with your dog, right, you act like

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 1>you're not paying attention, so the dog readjusts and that's

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 1>when he yank it. Yeah, that's how you get the

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>dog every time. That's also how you escape with your

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 1>life from a gator. Dumb dogs. Did you ever see

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the video of the guy who was walking his cute

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>little dog too close to a pond and the gator

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 1>got ahold of it. No, no, no, and the guy

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 1>jumped in and just calmly, almost expertly, like open pride,

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 1>open the gator's mouth to free his dog. And he

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:46.080
<v Speaker 1>was smoking his cigar, had his cigar in his mouth

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.319
<v Speaker 1>the whole time while he's doing this like he does

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>it like it's part of his and his dog's morning routine. Okay,

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>yeah it was, Okay, it was a little scratched up

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and I think probably deeply traumatized. But if it lived

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and I don't even know if it like had to

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.760
<v Speaker 1>go to the hospital or not, amazing, It is amazing.

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of videos you can check out on

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:12.400
<v Speaker 1>alligators if you're board. Yeah, there it's pretty fun to watch. Um, yeah,

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:15.919
<v Speaker 1>it is. Uh. If you want to know more about alligators,

0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:19.239
<v Speaker 1>then go learn more about alligators. There's plenty to learn.

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:21.759
<v Speaker 1>Just don't get too close. Since I said don't get

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 1>too close, it's time for a listener mail. I'm gonna

0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>call this gentle ribbing from Louise. Hey, guys, I was

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:32.920
<v Speaker 1>listening to the episode on I'm Bombing this morning while

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I was making my breakfast. When I got to the

0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.279
<v Speaker 1>part about the body's blood being drained out and going

0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>into a regular water treatment. It made me laugh. How

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Josh was so dismayed that they would law blood to

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>go through the same process as poop and b It

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.279
<v Speaker 1>was almost as if he had never menstruted. This is

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 1>a very embarrassing email from me. This is at both

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>of us because I certainly didn't say, well, what about menstruation?

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>It was far from my mind too. That's very nice

0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 1>of you to say, but this is really most embarrassing

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<v Speaker 1>for me. How will take the bullet with you? While

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<v Speaker 1>I occasionally have some background knowledge or at a perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on the topic, it is rare that I hear either

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<v Speaker 1>of you exclaim and wonder over something I've known about

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<v Speaker 1>since I was twelve, just some gentle ribbings, since you

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<v Speaker 1>manage to make me feel befriended over the years. Really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy your podcasts and all that I learned through your

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<v Speaker 1>lighthearted and conversational tone during these strict shutdowns at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginnings of the pandemic. You definitely provided me with a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of companionship as I listened to you talk to

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<v Speaker 1>each other while also teaching me. I appreciate the diversity

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<v Speaker 1>of topics you present in the way you make challenging

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<v Speaker 1>concepts approachable without being condescending. Keep up the good work, Louise. Louise,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the sweetest uh gentle ribbing we've ever gotten,

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<v Speaker 1>so thank you for that. Really pulled it out at

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<v Speaker 1>the end there, Louise very much, so thanks a lot. Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else? I got nothing else? Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to be like Louise and ribb us gently,

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