1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Couldn't come up with 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: a jokey nickname. Jerry's here to everybody. Uh, and this 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: is stuff you should know the um that's not a 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: Noith edition. So uh. After researching alligators and looking at 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: a lot of videos of alligators, you're an expert on alligators, 8 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: I'm an expert. No. Um. I had seen plenty of 9 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: alligator footage and things, and I never really just sat 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and really really watched them for long. And once you 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: do that, you cannot help. But just think, what era 12 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: am I living in here to be watching this weird, 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: crazy looking dinosaur dragon beast walking along? Okay, Like you 14 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: gotta see him walk, like seeing him swimming around, that's great, 15 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: But when you see them walking around with their bellies 16 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: off the ground, it looks crazy. Yeah, especially if you 17 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: have the theme to the Alfred Hitchcock shows playing alongside 18 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: of it works really well. They look crazy. It looks 19 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: like it doesn't look like something that should be walking 20 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: along on today's Earth. Did you know that the theme 21 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: from the Alfred Hitchcock show is called The March of 22 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: the Marionettes. I didn't know that. It is, all right, 23 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: how does it go? Dude? Do do Do Do Do 24 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do Do Do do good evening, do 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: do do do do do do do. It's so nice 26 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: you can't sing. Have you seen an alligator in real 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: life in the wild? Uh? Yeah, sure. I talked about 28 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: it at one point when I did my Oky Finoki 29 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: swamp paddle and we woke up in the morning on 30 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: our camping pad that they just have stationed periodically along 31 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: the canoe trail. Well, now we know those things must 32 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: be at least five ft above the water, right, Well, 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: I tell you, I don't know if it was or not. 34 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: But now that I've read this that they can jump 35 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: out of the water that high, I think it's just 36 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: not something they often do. But you know, we woke 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: up surrounded by alligators growling at us or groaning or 38 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: whatever they're doing. It's just sort of a are you 39 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: sure they were alligators and not crocodiles? I'm almost sure, 40 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: and I have a little bit of statistics to back 41 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: that up. Um. Even though the Okay finok is not Florida. 42 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: I think there are about I'm sorry, yeah, it wouldn't 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: have been crocodiles. Um about ten if I'm sorry. Five 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: million American alligators one point to five million in Florida, 45 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: whereas Florida only has about a hundred crocodiles. I'm sorry, 46 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: a thousand. Cheez, I get this all wrong. One point 47 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: two five million alligators in Florida, one thousand crocodiles. And 48 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: that's the only place on Earth where crocodiles and alligators 49 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: live in the same place. Yeah, down in the Everglades. Yeah, 50 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: there's evergladiers just like whatever, man bring it. And it's 51 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: not nile crocodiles. There's a specific kind of crocodile called 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: the American crocodile, just like there's the American alligator. It 53 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: just sounds like the the Is that a crocodile or 54 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: an alligator? I think it's an all like I think 55 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: it's a gaddile. I remember that poster from the eighties. 56 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: It said, like, save an alligator, eat a preppy. That's right, 57 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: what is your tattoo? Say? Oh? Wait, wrong one. It 58 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: clearly has the rounded snout. We'll get to the difference 59 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: between them. This is mainly about alligators though, uh as 60 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: as these like I just called them almost dinosaurs. Yeah, 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: you're you're amazed by that. It came through in the 62 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: article you put together. Yeah, it's amazing. Or dragons, Like 63 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: whenever you see the closeup of a dragon, they have 64 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: that same sort of scale male armoring. Chucky realized that 65 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: dragons are made up by humans who have probably seen alligators, 66 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: right exactly. I think we probably talked about that in 67 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: our Dragons episode. Surely we did. So let's let's talk 68 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: about gators. Huh. Yeah, we are talking gators and they 69 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: like I love among them, Like there's one like just 70 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: outside of my condo and the ponds that we have here, 71 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: and figured them a lot around here. You just have 72 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: to like be on your guard, just knowing when you're 73 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: walking a little moment around not alongside bushes you can't 74 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: see through and just stuff like that. Don't walk her 75 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: around a pond. Um, just have to be a little 76 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: extra smart, and they generally tend to leave you alone. Right, 77 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: but stick to inner city parking lots exactly. That's the 78 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: only place she's put her in the car, drive into 79 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: the city, let her out, and put her back him. 80 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: So um, like they're fascinating in and of themselves. It 81 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: never ceases to amaze me to look at an alligator. 82 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: But um, I've had no idea how amazing they actually are. 83 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: And one of the things that you put put down 84 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: there was that they have intensely small brains, like the 85 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 1: average alligators many feet long ten nine to eleven feet 86 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: long probably on average, um often quite longer, but that 87 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: their brain is only like eight or nine grahams. And 88 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: then this how Stuff Works article, it says that would 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: take up one half of a tablespoon, So it's a 90 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: really small brain. And on the one hand, that means 91 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: that like if you had an alligator as a pet, 92 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: which is a terrible idea. It's a terrible, terrible idea, 93 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: like that alligator is never going to come to love you. 94 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Or two, there's never going to be a point where 95 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: you can let your guard down and relax because this 96 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: alligator is not going to eat The alligator would eat 97 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: you like the first moment it occurred to it to 98 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: eat you. Right, Yeah, But they're so they're killing machines 99 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: in that sense, they're like mindless killing machines. But at 100 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the same time, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence 101 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: that they are way smarter than they should be for 102 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: having a brain the size of half of a table spoon. 103 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: They can do things like climb chain link fences. Do 104 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: you ever see a video of that? Terrifying? They can 105 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: climb trees. Um. They have been shown to be able 106 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: to figure out how to escape enclosures, like not randomly either, 107 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: like looking for ways out, and can actually like manipulate 108 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: manipulate vents and stuff like that. And somebody found that 109 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: they use tools and that they will put sticks on 110 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: their snouts, like they'll gather sticks on their snouts and 111 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: um yeah to uh to attract migratory birds who might 112 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: be nesting, so that they might come to grab a 113 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: stick and then the alligator gets them. It's way smarter 114 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: than you would think for something that has a brain 115 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: the size of a half of a table spoon. Yeah 116 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: the uh. Some of this came from the House stu 117 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: Works article I believe written by House of Works founder 118 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: Marshall Brain. Oh boy, uh ben a while since I've 119 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: read one of those. But he called them instinctual living machines, 120 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: which I think is a great band name. But what 121 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: he basically means is if an alligator is hungry. It's 122 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: gonna eat something, period. Like that's all. It's sort of 123 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: like the description of the great white shark and jaws, 124 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: Like all it does is swim and eat like an 125 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: alligator basically just wants to eat and hang around. Uh. 126 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: They are reptiles members of the Crocodilia order, of which 127 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: there are twenty three different species, including those crocodiles of 128 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: different stripes and sizes and caymans, which we're not really 129 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about much in here. The poor cayman 130 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: never gets any of the it's like, but the Crocodilia 131 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: as we know it, and that body for has been 132 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: around for more than a hundred and eighty million years, uh, 133 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: which you know is you got that big head, you 134 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: got that big lizard like body, you got those little 135 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: stubby legs. And when they bring that belly off the 136 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: ground to walk on them, it looks super greepy. And 137 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: they got that big long tail that looks like it 138 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: was just made for for whacking things. Yes, and the 139 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: tail um keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger as 140 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: the gator grows. Um, and it might not usually I 141 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: think tops out at maturity. I think when they reach 142 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: sexual maturities about the time they they stopped growing. They 143 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: used to think that they alligator would just grow indefinitely 144 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: as it aged goldfish. Yeah, but now there's like a 145 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: top size for it. They realize. Um, but the tail 146 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: might not keep getting longer, but it can keep getting 147 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: fatter because that's where the gator stores it's fat. It's 148 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: fat reserves. Any excess energy gets stored in its tail, 149 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: which is one of the things that makes gator tail 150 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: so ridiculously delicious if you're into that kind of thing. Yeah, 151 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: and you mentioned, Uh, they can grow on average about 152 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: eleven feet as if they're male five to seven hundred pounds. 153 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: The ladies are a little shorter. They're about eight feet 154 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: long and way about half as much. But um, there 155 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: was one that I had looked up. I think it's 156 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: still alive. Um, if the Alligator Adventures, Gator Park and 157 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: Myrtle Beaches, they're at least not advertising that utan has 158 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: passed away. Yeah, he looked like he was still there 159 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: based on their website. I think so unless they're just like, 160 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: don't tell anyone Utan died, and you know, we're just 161 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: trying to get people in the door. They just have 162 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: an intern wearing Utan's right. Well, Utan, my friends, was 163 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: born in nineteen sixty four, and it's just over eighteen 164 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: feet long and weighs two thousand pounds. And if you 165 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: want to see something that looks like it, it's c 166 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: g I from a movie. Just go look at Utan 167 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: and how big this thing is. And watch the people 168 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: in the in the cage with Utan feeding at those 169 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: skinned rabbits. Wow, I mean they're in there in Utan. 170 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: I guess is the deal is, as long as you're 171 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: feeding Utan, you can do this show. Uh. And I 172 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: guess we should go ahead and tell people that, I mean, 173 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: now is a good time to say that they don't 174 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: eat that much for as big as they are. It's 175 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: very surprising how little an alligator needs to eat to survive. Um. 176 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: They I think they feed this thing a rabbit. You know, 177 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: it's got to be uh in bite sized chunks. They 178 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: can't you know, it's not like a python that can 179 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: swallow these eat these big things whole. Although it did 180 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: see a video of a python eating an alligator, which 181 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: was remarkable. It was a small alligator, but it was 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: a big python. You know what I'm saying. I know you, 183 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: I know I know what you know what I'm laid down? Um, 184 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: what was I saying though you were saying it bites 185 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: they like bite size, so they don't need Yeah, they 186 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: don't need to eat that much compared to their size, 187 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: and then go a long time without eating because of 188 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: those fat stores. Right. Um. And when a long time 189 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: like you're you mean a long time like a week 190 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: usually in between feedings in the wild, right yeah, but 191 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: if if if the s is hitting the fan for 192 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: some reason, alligators can shut it down for a year 193 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: or two. I know that's like using up a lot 194 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: of fat up. But they have some skinny little tails. Yeah, 195 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: probably when they're by the end of a year. But 196 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: but a week in the wild to One thing I 197 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: didn't see though, was exactly how much it takes to 198 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: fill them up, like how much percentage of their body 199 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: way to the eat, Like is a rabbit enough for 200 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: a week or is that like once a day kind 201 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: of thing. It's a daily thing, just because I think 202 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: they probably try and do a little feeding show every day. Yeah. 203 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: So Um. One of the things, um, that a lot 204 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: of people might not realize because they're so often associated 205 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: with coastal areas, is that alec heres are freshwater. Did 206 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: you know that I did? Okay, surely there's somebody out 207 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: there who fits the bill with what I just described 208 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: there like what like, But they are freshwater. And one 209 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: of the things about like Florida's, if there's like a 210 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: something larger than an ephemeral puddle, there's probably an alligator 211 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: in there. Like they Yes, they'll any body of water. 212 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: They will inhabit a pond, a lake, a river, a stream, 213 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: a canal, an irrigation ditch, a drainage ditch, whatever. As 214 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: long as there's fresh water available, they will um hang 215 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: out there. And even when it dries up, they'll they'll 216 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: um dig what are called alligator den's that is basically 217 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: a burrow back down into the water table, and that 218 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: when some of these uh like more ephemeral wetlands kind 219 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: of dry up, the alligator den um might be the 220 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: only place in the area that has water. And then 221 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: when the alligator leaves, they're leaving that water behind, that 222 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: water filled hole behind, and then when that dries up, 223 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: it provides a burrow for other animals that burrow as well. 224 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: So there for and that reason, they're considered a keystone 225 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: species in their ecosystem. It's just about to ask are 226 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: the keystone. They're so keystone, dude, it's like keystone species. Um, 227 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: all right, let's take a little break. I'm all worked 228 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: up and I'm all over the place, So I'll refocus 229 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: and we'll be back right after this. I want to 230 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: learn about a terrosorticel, how to take a proprit with 231 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: all about fractal kiscon. That's a little hun the Lizzie 232 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: Border murders and they kind of all runs on the 233 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: plane every day that we should know. Word up, Jerry Stuck, 234 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: Stuck Stuck. I don't know that you know it. Stuck 235 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: in this stucks. It's a great name, that's the name 236 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: of it. It's a great name. Alright, Stuck st with 237 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: with an X. Okay, so I did mention. By the way, 238 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: I should just point out since I mentioned Utan's age 239 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: of fifty seven years old, born in sixty four. That's 240 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: in captivity. I think they can live a long time, 241 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: but more like forty years in the wild. Um, so 242 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: fifty seven is you know, that's really on the highside. 243 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: Utan is doing quite well in captivity. But I imagine 244 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: Utanan's towards the in the twilight years. Yeah, I've seen though, Um, 245 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: like a couple of I saw a couple of articles 246 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: that said, you know, some alligator was captured based on 247 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: that and that was estimated to be about a hundred 248 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: years old. Um, so I don't think it is necessarily 249 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: like just ridiculously unheard of. But I saw in Smithsonian 250 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: Zoo I believe they're pretty legit. They said fifty is 251 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: usually around the average. I think for a wild alligator, 252 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: probably a lot of that is humans cutting that average down. 253 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: I would guess, Yeah, we'll talk about poaching in a minute. 254 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: That's definitely an issue. Um, should we talk about the 255 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: armor plating? Yes? I think we should. This stuff is 256 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: cool And what made me kind of think of this 257 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: to begin with was watching that dumb show I talked 258 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: about before a Loan Beast where they drop you off 259 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: and give you a dead animal and no tools. And 260 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: in the Buyou they gave people alligators and people had 261 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: to figure out how to cut into this alligator without knives. 262 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: And you know, they do the same for these for 263 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: mammals on other episodes, but the alligator was a particular 264 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: challenge because of this armor plating that they have, which 265 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: is just really super tough to get into. Yeah. Um, 266 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: that's called osteoderms or scoots. I prefer osteoderms, don't you. 267 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm a scooter, okay, Um, But that is that's one 268 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: reason why it's really hard to kill an alligator especially um, 269 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: like as far as hunting alligators goes, um, the state 270 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: of Florida in particular really ties your hands with what 271 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: you can use um, and it really gives the alligators 272 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: like a fighting chance and they literally tie your hands. 273 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: They do. They push you into the water, bunch of 274 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: gators and say you shouldn't be hunting. Um. So they 275 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: literally do have that kind of like the bony plates 276 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: underneath their skin, which does make them pretty tough. Um. 277 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: But despite being weighed down by what amounts to like 278 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: plate mail armor, they're surprisingly fast. And we did this, um, 279 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: we did an episode years and years ago. Do you 280 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: remember whether whether yeah, in a zigzag pattern And the 281 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: answer to that is absolutely not. Don't do that because 282 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: the allegory will probably catch you because it's going to 283 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: run straight, because it's going to be smarter than you 284 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: and that uh in that moment. But um, they can 285 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: top out at about like eleven miles an hour on land. Yeah, 286 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: and that's you know, if you're just a regular human, 287 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: you may be able to run that fast at top 288 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: speed for a little while at your sprint. And you know, 289 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: alligators are mainly that's there. You know, they don't have 290 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: a ton of stamina, but they can't get after you 291 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: really fast. And if you've ever seen a video of 292 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: them coming out of the water to get something unsuspecting 293 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: creature on the shore, uh, you know how fast they 294 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: can be. It did crack me up in this article 295 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: how they were talking about you know that they don't 296 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 1: have much staminaus because the way their respiration works, and like, 297 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: if you need to just all you have to do 298 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: is just outrun an alligator for like thirty minutes and 299 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: they'll tire out, right, And that's three minutes. Yeah, that 300 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: seems like a lot of that's a lot I would 301 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: tire out. I know, the alligator just laugh and laugh 302 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: as it swam away, like sucker. Five more minutes I 303 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: would have been tired out. But you only made it 304 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: to twenty five minutes, that's right. So one of the 305 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: other things is, uh, we said that they're freshwater, right 306 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: and not salty. It's because they lack of salt gland, 307 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: which is something things like sharks and shorebirds have their 308 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: glands that actually excrete excess salt from the body. Um 309 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: alligators don't have that. That's why they prefer fresh water. 310 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: But they can hang out in water as long as 311 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: it's freshwater. And they have a lot of cool add 312 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: up to atians. Remember their reptiles, they're not amphibians. Their 313 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: lizards basically that can hang out in the water, which 314 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: makes them pretty interesting in and of themselves. One of 315 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: the things that they have are um nictitating membranes over 316 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: their eyelids, which are just these clear second islands. They 317 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: have regular eyelids like we do, but underneath those they 318 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: have ones that come over as like a clear film 319 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: that cover their eyes so that they can see underwater. Yeah. 320 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: It's almost like a contact lens goggle hybrid. Yeah and 321 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: yeah and it and it functions exactly as that they 322 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: can see really well underwater. And I think they go 323 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: back to front instead of just the regular top to 324 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: bottom eyelids that they have. That's pretty neat. And the 325 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: other cool thing is when they do get underwater, they 326 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: can they close up all their holes, all their orifices. Uh, 327 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: they have flaps on the ears. Are you laughing at that? 328 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 1: They have flaps that close on their ears and their nostrils. Uh, 329 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: they have those inner eyelids already closing, and then they 330 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: have a flap called the palateo valve or palatal valve 331 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: probably that's what I had in my head, that closes 332 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: at the back of the throat, and that's going to 333 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: keep water out of the stomachs and the lung the stomach, 334 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: like there's more than one, the stomach and the lungs, 335 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: and so when they dive, there's no water getting in anywhere, 336 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: and they can stay down there for ten or twenty 337 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: minutes on a regular dive, or if there is some 338 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: weird reason, some threat that they have to stay under 339 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: for a couple of hours and just really rest and 340 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: chill out, they can do that too. Yeah. And that 341 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: palatal valve too means that, um, they can open their 342 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: mouths without water getting into their lungs, which means they 343 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: can carry their prey underwater. They can bite still and 344 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: manipulate things using their mouth underwater without drowning, which is 345 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: a big advantage, as we'll see because we're talking now, 346 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: Chuck about the alligator diet and here's where it gets gnarly. Yeah, 347 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: it's the creepiest style of feeding. I think they are lurkers. Yeah, 348 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: they're not hunters, they're not gathers there lurkers. Yeah. There's 349 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: sort of like ticks. They wait for something to keep 350 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: come close enough for them to get it. Basically, they 351 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: stay very still. They just got those little eyeballs over 352 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: the water. Maybe they're nostrils if they want to breathe. 353 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: When you when you notice one that you hadn't noticed 354 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: before and they're so still, yeah, well that's why when 355 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: okay pinoki, we heard the growling and I was like, 356 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: wtf is going on? Because it's not like you look 357 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: up and there's a bunch of alligators having coffee on 358 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: top of the water, like you had to look and 359 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, they're everywhere. It's very chilling, 360 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: like your your fingers going to your mouth, like, oh 361 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: my god. Uh. They don't have really sharp teeth though, 362 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean those teeth look super scary. Their teeth actually 363 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: aren't even very sharp. They look really gnarly in their mouth, 364 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: but they're more for crushing, like because they need to 365 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: be able to break bone and like break a big 366 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: sea turtle shell. Yeah, they've got some really strong jaws. 367 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: Their jaws have been shown to be about three to 368 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: exert about three thousand, three thousand p s I, which 369 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: I think makes them the sixth strongest bite on earth, 370 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: and crocodiles have them beat by about eight hundred p 371 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: s I. Yeah, crocodiles are number one. They have the 372 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: strongest bite. And for reference, if you're not down with 373 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: p s I, like you can't, just to me immediately 374 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: imagine what you're talking about when you hear three thousand 375 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: p s I. Lions and tigers. Adult lions and tigers 376 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: typically have bites of around a thousand p s I. 377 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: So gators and crocodiles are are mucco macho when it 378 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: comes to bite strength. I guess is how you put 379 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: it if you were insane. Yeah. At one point in time, 380 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: we did an episode on the Worst Ways to Die? 381 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: Is there a Worst way to die? About a hundred 382 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: years ago, and I don't think this is included, but 383 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: I would have to put it on the list because 384 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: when an alligator gets ahold of you, it's goal is 385 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: to drag you into the water and drown you as 386 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: you're getting essentially, you know have the most pounds of 387 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: pressure per square inch put down on your body as 388 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: your bones and ribs or snack or snacking, they're snapping 389 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: your most snackid almost gonna that that's what they do. 390 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: They drown you and crush you basically and close that, 391 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: you know, close that flap so they're not drowning again. 392 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: And then eventually they'll they'll tear you up into bite 393 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: sized chunks because they can't, like I said, they can't 394 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: um Like I get the feeling when this guy was 395 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: feeding it the rabbit that was sort of a max size. Yeah, 396 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: they want, like you said, bite size for gator, and 397 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: I guess that's about the size of a rabbit. They 398 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: want bite sized chunks because they swallow everything whole and 399 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: they just digest it to They digest everything they eat, 400 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: including bone. Um. But if they happen to catch prey, 401 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: and we should say here, like yes, that would be 402 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: a terrible way to die. And if you look at 403 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: an alligator, you would think they must kill people like 404 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: every day. Apparently it's vanishingly rare that somebody like you're 405 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: about fifty six times more likely to die of a 406 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: hornet wasper beasting um in the United States than you 407 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: are of an alligator attack UM, and I think they 408 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: get about one person a year UM and unfortunately that 409 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: person is usually under age twelve because they basically attack 410 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: based on size, they size up prey. It is, so 411 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: it's very unlikely that that would happen, but yes, it 412 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: would suck terribly. But more likely if you are a 413 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: deer or like a wart hog or some other like 414 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: larger animal in Florida that might wander too close to 415 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: the banks of a um a pond and you're caught 416 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: by a gator. UM. That gator is going to take 417 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: you and stash you under a log as you were saying, 418 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: and is going to just leave you there for a 419 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: few days a week maybe and basically let you um 420 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: ripen so that you're it's easier to tear bite size 421 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: chunks of your rotting flash off from and then they 422 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: have to bring you up to the surface to to 423 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: toss you into the air and eat you um because 424 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: they have to open that palatal valve. Man. There's one 425 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: other thing about gators eating, we should say, is that 426 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: they use what's called twist feeding, or more commonly known 427 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: as the death roll, where they just basically spin on 428 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: the axis. I'm not sure if that would be yaw 429 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: control or what, but they spin around lengthwise um in 430 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: the water and it's weird what they're doing. I thought 431 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: it was just for drowning um, but actually what they're 432 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: doing is there. Actually it's like a type of um 433 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: biomechanical manipulation where they're actually trying to pull you apart 434 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: the way of just pulling you apart. And there's this 435 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: video of a dude at some like see life UM, 436 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: I guess an aquarium or something like that, some demonstration 437 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: or show where he's showing how he can stick his 438 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: hand in this this gator's mouth, maybe a crocodile, And 439 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: of course the alligator crocodile clamps down on his arm 440 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: um and catches him really well and immediately starts doing 441 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: a death roll, and you can see the way that 442 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: guy's arm twists. He had to roll with it. This 443 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: guy suddenly rolled like he was hoist gracy and was 444 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: grappling all of a sudden with this alligator. But when 445 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: he wasn't able to roll as fast, you could see 446 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: the direction that his arm was going that the alligator 447 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: crocodile is about to just twist it clean off just 448 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: from this this um, this twist feeding it was doing. 449 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: So it's pretty ingenious, clever way to break something into 450 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: bite size chunks. But that's why they do that death 451 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: roll is to literally tear you apart so that they 452 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: can eat you more efficiently. You gotta do with Steve Winwood. 453 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: You gotta with a baby that's right or in access 454 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: and be like, never tear us apart. Oh wow, did 455 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: you have that planned? No? How could I possibly plan that? 456 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: I don't know? Oh man r I P Michael Hutchins. 457 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: I know. I thought it was from earlier when I 458 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: texted you just get ready for the Steve Winwood joke, 459 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: and then I said, I've got my own l well um. 460 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: And here's the thing with that, the fresh water like 461 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: launching off, the from the water to the shore thing 462 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: is that we've all seen the videos of the animals 463 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: that are just like, oh, I'd like I have to drink. 464 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: It presents a real conundrum for mammals or anything really 465 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: on shore. That's like I've got to get some of 466 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: that water, like I needed to live. Like you look 467 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: around you look around your wart hog uh or or 468 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: have Alina, and you're like, I don't see anything. I 469 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: don't even see those eyeballs. And you you sneak down 470 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: to that shore to two ft in front of them, 471 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: there's an alligator. They're waiting, yep. And then that's it 472 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: for the Havelina unless he can run away quickly, which 473 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: as we've seen, that's possible. Oh, that's Havelna's cold truck. 474 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: And I could see that Havevelina is still continuing to 475 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: run like a mile after that alligator gave up. Can't 476 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: you so chuck? Because they are so um, just vicious 477 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: when they're eating, and that they're eating machines, killing machines 478 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Like it's it's not really 479 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: easy for most humans to sympathize with alligators. They they 480 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: got a bad rap for a very long time, and 481 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: um people used to kill them especially. I don't know 482 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: if we said their range goes from about North Carolina 483 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: down to Texas along the southeastern United States. That's where 484 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: you're going to find the American alligator. Yeah, and then 485 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: in China, not for the American, but they have alligators 486 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: in China. Yes, it's the Chinese alligator. It's much smaller. 487 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: It goes to about five ft and it is critically endangered. 488 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: Now you can only find out on the lower yang Z. 489 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: But now American alligators are doing so well that I 490 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: saw their starting to show up in Tennessee. Yes, they 491 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: now there. They have extended their range to include Tennessee, 492 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: which is nuts because it gets cold in Tennessee. Well, 493 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: we'll talk about later how they adapted to that. But um, 494 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: because they are these killing, vicious machines. Some of the 495 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: early um Europeans who lived in the in the southeastern 496 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: United States first showed up there. Um they would kill alligators, 497 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: mostly as like a matter of course, like you see 498 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: an alligator, you don't want anywhere near your cattle or 499 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: your livestocks, so you kill the alligator. And that was 500 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: about that. It wasn't a huge problem for the alligators 501 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: because there were so many alligators, way more than there 502 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: are now. Um. But then as more and more people 503 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: came along and human civilization encroached further and further onto 504 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: alligators land, there were more and more encounters. There were 505 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: more and more, um, gruesome discoveries when you called in 506 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: the cattle from pasture um, and more and more alligators 507 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: started getting killed. But then it was the French. It 508 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: was late Francais that really brought about the near extinction 509 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: of alligators in America. Strangely enough, that's right because French 510 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: designer said, you know what looks fantastic is a handbag 511 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: made from alligator or maybe some alligator shoes. And then 512 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in just a hundred years, uh, 513 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: in Florida they killed an estimated ten million alligators, and 514 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: by the nineteen fifties, I believe the entire United States 515 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: only had about a hundred thousand alligators. Yes, dude, that 516 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: is awfully close to expe Yeah, yeah, especially I mean 517 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: considering there are five million now. Um. So, Florida outlawed 518 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: alligator hunting in nineteen sixty two, then federally five years 519 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 1: later they did the same thing with its classification as 520 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: an endangered animal. And uh, in just a few years though, 521 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: things they came roaring back, literally, because alligators have a 522 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: sort of a unique breeding such wation and that they 523 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: recover very quickly because they can lay a lot of eggs. 524 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: A female alligator lays about thirty to fifty eggs, buries 525 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: them in rotting vegetation, and they're a little a little 526 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: bigger than a big chicken egg they're not huge, and 527 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: that nest is like sort of like a compost ban 528 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: it provides this heat. And this, to me is one 529 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: of the facts of the episode is the alligator will 530 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: be gendered depending on how hot that pile gets. Yeah, 531 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: and it's real specific to like basically, if it's in 532 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: the low eighty degrees fahrenheight, it's gonna be girls, right, Yes, 533 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: If it's in the higher eighties or low nineties, it's 534 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: going to be boys, little boys. And then if it's 535 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: in between, it's going to be a mix. Like that's 536 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: how that's how close the threshold is. Is Like, if 537 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: it's between eight and ninety, like, that's just the smallest 538 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: ways in temperature is going to turn one into a 539 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: boy and turn one into a girl. Yeah, but if 540 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: you're laying thirty to fifty eggs, I don't know about 541 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: survival rates, but let's say half of those survive. What's 542 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: the number? So it depends are you're talking eggs or juveniles, 543 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: because let me just tell you. Let's start with eggs. Eggs. 544 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, let's take them. Let's start with 545 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: taking them both together. How about that eighty percent of 546 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: alligators do not make it to adulthood. That's still a 547 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: lot of alligators, that's my point. It is still a lot. 548 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: Like if you're talking, I saw some um, some middle 549 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: aged females are able to lay up to ninety eggs 550 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: in a clutch at once. But so like, that's a lot. 551 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: But it makes a lot of sense that something like 552 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: eight percent of eggs and juvenile alligators would be killed 553 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: because alligators are in addition to being a keystone speacies, 554 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: they're also an apex predator, which means that they have 555 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: virtually no predators natural predators themselves, like the occasional anaconda python. 556 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: Apparently maybe once in a while, like a big panther 557 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: will get ahold of one and kill it. But for 558 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: the most part, the um, like an alligator, is not 559 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: going to be killed by anything other than a human 560 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: and adult alligator. So the way that alligator's population is 561 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: naturally controlled is by the faithful raccoon UM who comes 562 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: along and steals alligator eggs much at its own personal 563 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: risk UM, and in doing that and then also eating 564 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: like baby alligators after they've hatched hatchlings, UM, the alligator 565 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: population is controlled like rather than on the other end, 566 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: it's on the it's on the beginning end, which I 567 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: find fascinating. Nature is just gosh darn fascinating. I love it. Yeah, 568 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: I mean, if you want your mind blown, just look 569 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: at the video I saw of a leopard swimming through 570 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: a pond two to tackle an alligator on shore from 571 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: behind and drag it into the pond. I was like, 572 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: wait a minute, like my world has turned upside down, 573 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: isn't I thought it was the other way around. I 574 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: didn't know these things. I didn't know any cat really 575 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: enjoyed swimming. And this thing swam through the water and 576 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: stalked on land this alligator from behind and grabbed it 577 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: and took it right back in the pond. I was like, 578 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: what is what world am I living in? As amazing? 579 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: I can't watch that stuff anymore, though I don't mind, 580 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Like Emily can't and never could. 581 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: And I was always like, you know, it's just the 582 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: life cyclists, the world's order, it's nature, and she's like, 583 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: I know, but I don't care. I don't want to 584 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: watch it. And I was like, fair enough, so you can't. 585 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: Now you can't watch it? Have I soapboxed about this? Recently? 586 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't think so let's hear it. She's like, why, 587 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: what's what's the problem? What changed? And I said, I 588 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: had to think about it, and I figured it out. 589 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: It's not that like what you've just described. I'm generally 590 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: okay with. I've read a lot of David Pierce, who's 591 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: this awesome philosopher who's on the end of the world, 592 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: and he basically says, no, that's suffering still, and we 593 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: should we should figure out how did program the biosphere 594 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: so that there's no suffering any longer, so that there 595 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: isn't that kind of stuff. But if you take all 596 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: that aside and you do just kind of subscribe to 597 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: the natural order of things, then I'm fine with that. 598 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: What I realized I have a problem with is humans 599 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: training their cameras onto it and almost like purient interest 600 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: of death, of blood, of of the the end of life, 601 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: of like viciousness, and that it's like it's that's I 602 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: don't like that impulse, and I certainly don't like celebrating 603 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: and putting out on display and people not you, but 604 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like, um, like like the conservationists even who 605 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: who who make documentaries like that saying like it's just 606 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: life it's just the natural cycle of things. Um, it's like, no, 607 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: that's it's it's almost like a form of like like 608 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: snuff pornography, but with animals. That's kind of how I've 609 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: come to feel about it. That's why I can't watch 610 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: it anymore. I don't fault you for I'm just I 611 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: just I'm affected by it now and I wasn't before. 612 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 1: I don't know what changed. Yeah, I hear you, I think, 613 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: and I'm not defending myself here, but I think like 614 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: I watch it through a very sort of scientific eye 615 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: and like I definitely know that though there are people 616 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: that watch stuff like that where they're like yeah, right, yeah, 617 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: whereas I'm never like that. I'm always like, oh man, 618 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: that's terrible, Like I feel so bad for those animals, 619 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: and like, boy, nature is rough, what I say when 620 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 1: I turned the channel. Probably see it every time. Boy 621 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: nature is rough. But I'm never like I always feel 622 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: bad and it's always hard to watch. Right. Yeah, I 623 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: know I'm with you now. I understand like I said, 624 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: like I was saying, I wasn't calling you or anybody 625 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: else out. It was more like I had never really 626 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: thought about why before, and it was definitely new so 627 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: I figured it was worth sharing. It is very much, 628 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: and you did talk about that once you can't remember, 629 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: But well, then we're gonna edit all this out because 630 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. No, no, no, no, we're too young 631 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: to start having that little of cognitive decline. Do you 632 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: know that I couldn't add seven and six this morning? 633 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I think it's thirteen, and I was 634 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 1: going on with my brain. It was troubling. I guess 635 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: let's put a button on the breeding and then we'll 636 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: take a break. But um, mommy is going to protect 637 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: the nest as best as she can from those raccoons, 638 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: and then about forty days later, those little hatchlings are 639 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: gonna make a little noise and then mama's going to 640 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: dig them out. And then Mama does something unique here, 641 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: uh in terms of modern reptiles, and that she's gonna 642 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: stick around and protect protect those little ladies and dudes. 643 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: Uh if they get into trouble right away for a 644 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: little while. And that doesn't really happen with modern reptiles. 645 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: It's usually like you're on your own, here's the world. 646 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: But Mama alligator is going to protect them for a bit, 647 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: which is something that certain dinosaur species did, which people 648 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: say like, hey, there you go, and that's why, as 649 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, like that they had this huge 650 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: comeback because of their reproductive strategies. Yeah, even of fifty 651 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: eggs as a lot of gators. Yeah, because they get 652 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: kind of big. It's like, well, let's take a break 653 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk a little more about 654 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, Chuck, how about alligators sounds good. I 655 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: want to learn about a rosortic college, how to take 656 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: a perfect but with all about fractal getting kiscone, that's 657 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: a little hun the Lizzie Border murders that they kind 658 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: of all runs want to play every day that we 659 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: should know. No word up, Jerry Stuck, stuck, stuck. I 660 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: don't know that you know it stuck and stuck. It's 661 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: a great name, that's the name of it. It's a 662 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: great name. Alright, stuck within with an X. So, Chuck, 663 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: I told you that I saw that article about how 664 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: I think it was from the Tennessee Valley Authority basically 665 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, there's alligators here now and they're here 666 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: to stay. You can probably thank climate change for that. 667 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: I said that they didn't um I mean it's Tennessee 668 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: Valley Authority. UM. But that just enjoy nature and steer 669 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: clear of them if you see them. That was the message. 670 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: It was like, yes, they're here, now, they're they're not 671 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: going anywhere, which I thought was pretty interesting. Um, because 672 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: Tennessee can get pretty cold. It snows like just about 673 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: every year in Tennessee during the winter. UM. And you 674 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: think you know of gators, usually is something that live 675 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 1: in very hot tropical climates, right, yeah, exactly, the reptiles. 676 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: They're cold blooded, they need to be warm. Well, they 677 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: don't actually hibernate, I don't believe, like not technically. They 678 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: will burrow and hang out, but they're not like in 679 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: a state of hibernation like you know, we did a 680 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: whole episode on that. UM. But when it snows, that 681 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: means that the water can freeze, and if they're in 682 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: the water, chuck. They actually have a UM strategy for 683 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: dealing with these freezing temperatures, because, as everyone knows, if 684 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: a pond freezes, it'sund like the fish all die. Underneath 685 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: is actually a little warmer under towards the bottom than 686 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: it is up top. That's why it doesn't freeze all 687 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: the way through solid um and the fish can hang 688 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 1: out there as well. A gator can do the exact 689 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: same thing. And I think we should just share with 690 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: the world with their strategy is because it's it's outstanding. Yeah, 691 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: I think it could be summed up with two words. 692 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: And this is probably what they yell out when that 693 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: lake starts to freeze to each other. Nostrils out. That's right, 694 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: that's kind of it. Yeah, they just think those little 695 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: snouts up so they can breathe, and then they just 696 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: let the ice form around them and their little snout. 697 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: That's it. Have you seen a photo of that. I 698 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: didn't look that up for some reason. It's pretty amazing. Yeah, 699 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's exactly what you think. It looks like 700 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: it's a gator snout just barely sticking out of the 701 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: ice frozen pond. But they're just sitting there in in 702 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: a you know, they're not sitting there like doing their 703 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: tax is there anything, Like they're in a very like 704 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: slow state of metabolism. But again they're not they're not hibernating, 705 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: and when the pond thaws enough, they'll break free and 706 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: swim away until the next time there's going to be 707 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: a freeze and then they'll say, what nostrils out? That's right. Uh. 708 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: I guess The implication though, is that it's better to 709 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: be in that frozen lake than on the shore. That's 710 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: my that's my understanding. Again. I think maybe the water 711 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,439 Speaker 1: temperature is warmer than the air temperature below the ice. 712 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess because my thing would be like, 713 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: it takes a while if it's not like water doesn't 714 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: freeze in an instant, So I would be like, why 715 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: don't they just get out of the water, But they 716 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: must stay in there for a reason. Yeah. This is 717 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: in the day after tomorrow, for Pete's sake, man, that 718 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: poor Scottish helicopter guy. Goodness so um, so yes, they 719 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: can live in Tennessee. Now look out Tennessee. Um. One 720 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: of the other things, Chuck, whether we've kind of talked 721 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: about is, you know, almost interchangeably talked about crocodiles and alligators, 722 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: and they're definitely different. Um. And when you look at them, 723 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: if you know what you're looking for, you can very 724 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: easily differentiate between an alligator and a crocodile, right, Yeah, 725 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean my go to would be to look at 726 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: their teeth and if their mouths are shut. You can 727 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: see for both of them, you can see those upper 728 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: teeth pointing downward, but only for a crocodile can you 729 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: see those bottom teeth pointing up right? They have that 730 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: toothy grint is how it's put and it really is 731 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: an appropriate description it is. They're creepier looking, I think 732 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: because of that. But the the actual shape of this 733 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: nout is different to the alligators have a wider rounded 734 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: U shaped now and the crocodiles there's more long and 735 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: pointed and V shaped, And I think alligators have a 736 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: wider upper jaw, and then the crocodile have the same 737 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: upper and lower jaw. That's why you can see those teeth. Man, 738 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: speaking of crocodile teeth, you know that bird that cleans 739 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: a crocodile's teeth? Yeah, I think I feel like I 740 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: remember that. Apparently that is a science nature myth. Oh, 741 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: that's sad. Supposedly there's no genuine photo documentary evidence of 742 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,240 Speaker 1: this bird cleaning the crocodile's teeth, and that somehow somewhere 743 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: a legend of it grew up because that was like 744 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: an example of symbiosis, right, yes, exactly, but it's fake 745 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: symbiosis apparently, which is such a bummer. Man, man, I 746 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: know we got a bus myths. But yeah, well, well don't. 747 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to drag anyone down in the Alligator episode. 748 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 1: That's okay, you'll just as usual. Give me the the 749 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,399 Speaker 1: blue pill. I always forget which pill it is, Yeah, 750 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: blue pill, the blue Pill. You see that new Matrix 751 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: document or trailer, No, there's a new one. Uh is it? 752 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: Is it like the same everybody? I believe it is 753 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: just Lanta Wakowski, not both the Okowskis as far as 754 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: the filmmaking goes. But yeah, I mean it's Canu. And 755 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: I saw what's her name? Oh what was her name? 756 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 1: I had the biggest crush on her back then carry Moss, 757 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: Carrie and Moss. She was great Memento and it looked 758 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: like a I don't think it's a d aged Larry Fishburn. 759 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: I think it's just a younger actor that they got. 760 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: It looks a lot like Neo, not Neo. What was 761 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: his name? Jerry? Yeah, Laurence Fisherman's character and the Matrix 762 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: is Jerry, just like our Morpheus. Yeah right, And I 763 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: think even the lady was the in it. The the oracle. Yeah. Yeah, 764 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: I think she's even in it. Oh, yeah, it looks 765 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: pretty good. I don't know. I mean, I'll go see it. Yeah, sure, 766 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't though they burned us with the second third ones. 767 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: Oh I don't know about that, did they. I didn't 768 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: definitely wouldn't have seen the third, but I think I 769 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 1: saw the second one. They weren't well regarded. Some people 770 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: will defend them, but they're generally were not regarded. I see, okay, Uh, 771 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: I guess quickly before we go, we should talk a 772 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: little bit about the fact that they do have a 773 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: hunting program in Florida. Now, after saying you can't kill 774 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: them at all, they have introduced a hunting program where 775 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: they issue a limited number of hunting permits. I believe 776 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: you can only capture a couple of them. Uh, and 777 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: their limits is to size and all that stuff. And 778 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: I guess this is population control, right, I mean that's 779 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: what that's what hunters say usually, and apparently it has 780 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: like helps stabilize the population from basically every account I've seen. 781 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: I know there was a big outcry because the year 782 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: after they took him off of the endangered list is 783 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: when they started the hunting program. Um. But from what 784 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: I saw, it has kept the population stable. So um. 785 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's been going on for thirty years. And 786 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: I know, like I said, they tie hunters hands in Florida, 787 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: not literally you said, no firearms. They you can use 788 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: what's called a bang stick UM, which basically delivers one 789 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: um usually a forty four caliber charge bullet to the 790 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: back of the gader's head. It's basically like a like 791 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: a spear with a bullet coming out of the end. Um. 792 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: But that's it as far as like firearms go. You 793 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: can't use guns or anything like that. You can use 794 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: fishing fishing rods. Did you see that. Yeah. I also 795 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: saw a video of a guy that was fishing in 796 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: a Florida pond and an alligator came up on shore 797 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: after him and he ran away like filming it. Well, 798 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: this is like people will fish for gators. They make 799 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: gator rods and like you know, you can use certain 800 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: kind of fishing line and hooks to fish for gators. Um. 801 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: You can also use harpoons. You can use crossbows, bows 802 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: and arrows. But again these are things. It's like, these 803 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: gators are tough and it takes a lot to like 804 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: fish for a gator and then fight it for thirty 805 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,799 Speaker 1: minutes before you can bring it in. UM. So, you know, 806 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't advocate hunting in any form, but you know, 807 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like Florida's kind of set it up where 808 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: there's a um it's it's it's not just like you know, 809 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: like you can't shoot, uh exactly. Remember Internet hunting maybe 810 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: the most despicable thing of all time. Yet I know, 811 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: hats off to you Mack in the day I was 812 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 1: assigned that and I was like, I'm not writing this, um, 813 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: but supposedly there are It's not like that by any stretch, 814 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 1: but supposedly a lot of the hunts, like especially if 815 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: you're an out of stater coming to Florida to hunt 816 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: an alligator, like a guy Ritchie type, um, and you 817 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: show up, you very well, maybe hunting a what amounts 818 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: to a tame alligator from an alligator farm that has 819 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,439 Speaker 1: no fear of humans because it's been fed hand fed 820 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: chickens and rabbits its whole life and wants to come 821 00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: toward you. UM, and that you probably you're going to 822 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: be hunting one of those. And it's perfectly legal, although 823 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of unethical. UM So if you are going 824 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: to hunt alligators. Again, I don't advocate it. You really 825 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: need to do your your research and your homework and 826 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: make sure you're dealing with a legit outfit. Yes, and 827 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 1: because poaching in the black market is still a problem 828 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: since you brought it up, you should never feed alligators. 829 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,879 Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, you as a bystander 830 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: should feel comfortable yelling at somebody who's feeding an alligator. Yeah, 831 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: it's not something you do for sport. I've seen it's terrible, 832 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: But I've seen people like drag meet behind their boat 833 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: just for fun to like tow an alligator along. Um, 834 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: keep your distance, like you said, don't don't walk your 835 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 1: small dogs near ponds or bushes where you can't really 836 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: see what's going on in there. And uh, if if 837 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: you do get run at they do, say like you 838 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: said earlier, to run straight as you can, fast as 839 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: you can. And if it happens to get ahold of you, 840 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: you got to fight him like a shark. You gotta 841 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: hit him, you gotta poke out their eyes, you gotta 842 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: punch it in the head, go for the palatal valve. 843 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: I've heard plenty of times. Yeah, Like, do whatever you 844 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: can because that alligator is going to need to adjust 845 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 1: at some point. It's sort of like when you're playing uh, 846 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: tug of war with your dog, right, you act like 847 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: you're not paying attention, so the dog readjusts and that's 848 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: when he yank it. Yeah, that's how you get the 849 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: dog every time. That's also how you escape with your 850 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: life from a gator. Dumb dogs. Did you ever see 851 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: the video of the guy who was walking his cute 852 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: little dog too close to a pond and the gator 853 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: got ahold of it. No, no, no, and the guy 854 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: jumped in and just calmly, almost expertly, like open pride, 855 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: open the gator's mouth to free his dog. And he 856 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: was smoking his cigar, had his cigar in his mouth 857 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 1: the whole time while he's doing this like he does 858 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: it like it's part of his and his dog's morning routine. Okay, 859 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: yeah it was, Okay, it was a little scratched up 860 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,800 Speaker 1: and I think probably deeply traumatized. But if it lived 861 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: and I don't even know if it like had to 862 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,760 Speaker 1: go to the hospital or not, amazing, It is amazing. 863 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot of videos you can check out on 864 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: alligators if you're board. Yeah, there it's pretty fun to watch. Um, yeah, 865 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,919 Speaker 1: it is. Uh. If you want to know more about alligators, 866 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: then go learn more about alligators. There's plenty to learn. 867 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: Just don't get too close. Since I said don't get 868 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: too close, it's time for a listener mail. I'm gonna 869 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: call this gentle ribbing from Louise. Hey, guys, I was 870 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: listening to the episode on I'm Bombing this morning while 871 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 1: I was making my breakfast. When I got to the 872 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: part about the body's blood being drained out and going 873 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,920 Speaker 1: into a regular water treatment. It made me laugh. How 874 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: Josh was so dismayed that they would law blood to 875 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: go through the same process as poop and b It 876 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: was almost as if he had never menstruted. This is 877 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: a very embarrassing email from me. This is at both 878 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: of us because I certainly didn't say, well, what about menstruation? 879 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: It was far from my mind too. That's very nice 880 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: of you to say, but this is really most embarrassing 881 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,479 Speaker 1: for me. How will take the bullet with you? While 882 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: I occasionally have some background knowledge or at a perspective 883 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,160 Speaker 1: on the topic, it is rare that I hear either 884 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: of you exclaim and wonder over something I've known about 885 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: since I was twelve, just some gentle ribbings, since you 886 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: manage to make me feel befriended over the years. Really 887 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: enjoy your podcasts and all that I learned through your 888 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: lighthearted and conversational tone during these strict shutdowns at the 889 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: beginnings of the pandemic. You definitely provided me with a 890 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: sense of companionship as I listened to you talk to 891 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: each other while also teaching me. I appreciate the diversity 892 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: of topics you present in the way you make challenging 893 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:39,240 Speaker 1: concepts approachable without being condescending. Keep up the good work, Louise. Louise, 894 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 1: that was the sweetest uh gentle ribbing we've ever gotten, 895 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: so thank you for that. Really pulled it out at 896 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,799 Speaker 1: the end there, Louise very much, so thanks a lot. Ah. 897 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: You got anything else? I got nothing else? Okay, Well, 898 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 1: if you want to be like Louise and ribb us gently, 899 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: we always appreciate that kind of thing. You can wrap 900 00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: it up in an email and send it off to 901 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: do stuff podcasts at iHeart radio dot com. Stuff you 902 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: Should Know is a production of I heart Radio. For 903 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,759 Speaker 1: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app. 904 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 905 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 1: H