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Speaker 1: Queens Friends Loves Willington Crewe. We are back with Jana Kramer.
Speaker 1: We basically did the Thursday therapy wind down version in
Speaker 1: our Q and A. You all sent in amazing questions
Speaker 1: for her, and sorry, we just really talked about life
Speaker 1: and I'm not sorry because I'm sure you're deeply inspired.
Speaker 1: But today we are back to talk about the actual
Speaker 1: episode and Jana is here for seven oh six. Let's
Speaker 1: dig in, Janna, will you read this snow up.
Speaker 3: So, Hailey considers taking matters into her own hands as
Speaker 3: Nathan's scandal threatens his endorsement deals. Julian gives Alex another chance,
Speaker 3: and Brooke reconnects with Chase. Millicent questions whether she has
Speaker 3: what it takes to be a model, while clay Let's
Speaker 3: Quinn in on a big secret.
Speaker 2: Director Janis Cook, writer Mike Daniels.
Speaker 1: We love it. In this episode is called Deep Ocean
Speaker 1: Vast Sea, which tracks honestly because there is a lot
Speaker 1: of each time happening here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really beautiful. It made me miss Wrightsville right.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I was saying on one of our previous episodes, how
Speaker 1: much fun I've been having watching the Brook Alex Millie dynamic.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I want this. I want a movie.
Speaker 1: I want us to have a show like I want
Speaker 1: this buddy comedy. Do it?
Speaker 2: Don't you think? Uh, don't twist my arm?
Speaker 1: Okay, great? Can you tell the fans before we jump
Speaker 1: into the episode, how how did season seven come about
Speaker 1: for you? Like, where did the casting call come from?
Speaker 1: Give us a little bit of background on your audition process.
Speaker 1: You told us a little bit in our Q and A,
Speaker 1: but I want to know.
Speaker 2: More, Okay.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I auditioned for Chantelle's character Quinn, and then
Speaker 3: when I was I got the callback for Quinn. And
Speaker 3: when I was in the callback, the producers and creator said, hey,
Speaker 3: I think you're more fit for this character named Alex.
Speaker 3: She's just a guest star recurring role, which you know,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, I really wanted to be
Speaker 3: a series regular. I was pumped about that. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, you know, they don't see me for
Speaker 3: this character, so let's let's try. Let's just give it
Speaker 3: a shot. Even though again I didn't feel super connected
Speaker 3: to Alex at the time. I was like, I got
Speaker 3: one shot, and I got to go back in there
Speaker 3: and you know, do the audition, and so went in
Speaker 3: there and you know those rooms I miss I missed
Speaker 3: going in the room. I'm not great as an auditioner
Speaker 3: over tape. I just I love to be able to
Speaker 3: kind of like chat with the producers and like be
Speaker 3: in the room and like, yeah, be able to change
Speaker 3: things up. Like I remember the feedback you know that
Speaker 3: I was getting from some of the producers. They were like,
Speaker 3: all right, why don't you do it this way, which
Speaker 3: again I wouldn't not never have had the chance to do.
Speaker 3: Now when we do like these self tapes, that just
Speaker 3: seems so to me. But I really just got to
Speaker 3: like play in the room and I had fun and
Speaker 3: through auditioning for her. It was the next day, I
Speaker 3: think it was that I got the call from my
Speaker 3: agent saying, Okay, you know you got you got the part,
Speaker 3: and there's a potential that you'll become a series regular,
Speaker 3: so just kind of you know, do your thing player cards,
Speaker 3: right and and yeah, and you're off to Wilmington. And
Speaker 3: it was just kind of like my head was spinning.
Speaker 3: And then it was like, all right, I'm going to
Speaker 3: start watching episodes, and you know, it was just I
Speaker 3: was like, I just need to go balls to the
Speaker 3: wall with this character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and my god, you did. I mean we
Speaker 1: were all gagged at the first scene, like when Alex
Speaker 1: arrives and it comes to the throng of people at
Speaker 1: the airport and Millie comes to pick her up and
Speaker 1: has done all of her research and you slam the
Speaker 1: door of the limo and you're like, I could eat
Speaker 1: the butt off of skunk right now. We like spit
Speaker 1: takes all around. You just are the most fun person
Speaker 1: to watch. And the way you were able to kind
Speaker 1: of flip this idea that someone could perform in public
Speaker 1: and then be like completely wild in private. It's it's
Speaker 1: like the most enjoyable thing. But unlike you know, a
Speaker 1: Dan Scott or even versions of like Rachel, it's it's
Speaker 1: not a character like I'm not looking at Alex as
Speaker 1: a villain. I love her and I love that she
Speaker 1: drives me crazy.
Speaker 3: Well that's what's so fun is like now looking back
Speaker 3: when I was watching the episodes, is like the dynamic
Speaker 3: between you and I, Like, I'm just like I really
Speaker 3: wasn't meaning to hurt you. I was like, oh my god, no, Look,
Speaker 3: we just have a working relationship like he's got. It's
Speaker 3: like she just really doesn't think anything she does is wrong.
Speaker 3: And that's what was like so funny about it too,
Speaker 3: you know, because I'm like she just sees nothing that
Speaker 3: she's doing is wrong, Like she's just like genuinely like,
Speaker 3: oh no, he doesn't want me, like I got totally
Speaker 3: strip naked and like he wants nothing to do with me,
Speaker 3: like he loves you.
Speaker 1: You know, like a guy has never done that before.
Speaker 3: Like normally like they would. So I'm just like, Wow,
Speaker 3: she's just really in her own world.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's such a boldness. It's like, would I
Speaker 1: want to behave in that manner?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Do I respect the boldness of someone who can with
Speaker 1: no shame? Like yeah, actually yeah, I'm wildly impressed by
Speaker 1: that level of self confidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's where I was like, I remember talking
Speaker 3: to the creator. I was like, all right, can I
Speaker 3: can I just give her like an I have. I
Speaker 3: have to find the heart with her. And so that's
Speaker 3: you know, later episodes when I that's when I really
Speaker 3: connected with her. I was like, you know when she
Speaker 3: was said that one seeing like I hate myself when
Speaker 3: I'm alone, And I always go back to that because
Speaker 3: that was the moment where her and I like connected
Speaker 3: and I like really became a thread through her because
Speaker 3: that's how I've always felt. So it was like a
Speaker 3: very and then I was like, Okay, now I can
Speaker 3: embody a little bit more of my personality into her,
Speaker 3: and while still like having her be the core.
Speaker 1: I love that. That was very much the journey I
Speaker 1: had with Brooke, like I couldn't relate to her at all,
Speaker 1: and then there were things that I really was able
Speaker 1: to see how her particularities in mind could merge. It
Speaker 1: was in season four when we did that scene that
Speaker 1: people always put up, like at the conventions, with the
Speaker 1: projection of like not enough, not pretty enough, not smart enough,
Speaker 1: Like that phrase for Alex was true for you, and
Speaker 1: that feeling of not enoughness had always been so true
Speaker 1: for me, Like why does nothing ever seem to matter.
Speaker 1: You're just gonna say this or do this or run
Speaker 1: with that or like what about the person in here?
Speaker 1: And I like that we got to sort of parallel
Speaker 1: half these women in that way. That's very cool to me.
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 1: Do you remember your first day on set or is
Speaker 1: it a black.
Speaker 3: I do remember it. It was it wasn't with you.
Speaker 3: I remember the first day was the the movie time
Speaker 3: period piece where they put her up in the whole
Speaker 3: thing like that was that was my first day. And
Speaker 3: that was so fun because I've always wanted to be
Speaker 3: in a period piece.
Speaker 1: Me too, and I've never gotten to do it.
Speaker 3: Same it's my dream, like I want to be Pride
Speaker 3: and Prejudice mister Darcy, like the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's my dream.
Speaker 3: And so that was like, oh, like I kind of
Speaker 3: got to do it for like two seconds on One
Speaker 3: Tree Hill. So that was my first day. And then
Speaker 3: I remember the second day was the airport stuff. And
Speaker 3: then again like I think it was hard coming into
Speaker 3: a show where it had been filmed so many seasons.
Speaker 3: I feel like you know you, like obviously I was
Speaker 3: most nervous to do my scenes because they were all
Speaker 3: with you and like, you know, being who you were,
Speaker 3: and it's just but you were of the cast, just
Speaker 3: very lovely and whilelcoming and that does not you know,
Speaker 3: that does not go overlooked, especially going on to shows
Speaker 3: after that realizing you know, not many do that, So
Speaker 3: that was appreciated.
Speaker 1: You sweet Angel. I mean, I just adored you immediately,
Speaker 1: like and I love I love that. I think we
Speaker 1: talked about this in the last episode, like when you
Speaker 1: really click with people, your friendship becomes timeless. And I've
Speaker 1: always really thought that about you, And like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the journey that we got to go on as characters
Speaker 1: was so fun, but it paled in comparison to like
Speaker 1: our days driving on the beach in your drop top jeep.
Speaker 2: We drove to Raleigh to go get the jeep you
Speaker 2: mean Austin and like, do.
Speaker 1: You remember when the new sound system got installed under
Speaker 1: the in the bar that we lived over, and like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, one night it was like two am
Speaker 1: you guys for everyone at home. Jana and I lived
Speaker 1: in this apartment together over a bar, and they've put
Speaker 1: yes and they put new speakers in and literally one
Speaker 1: night it was like I woke up thinking it was
Speaker 1: an earthquake because I grew up in California, Like frames
Speaker 1: were vibrating off the walls, like it was so crazy,
Speaker 1: and we were just like, this is probably not like
Speaker 1: what people think of like quote unquote TV stars, but
Speaker 1: we had this insanely cheap apartment.
Speaker 2: And we loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then everything went.
Speaker 3: To yeah that was wild, but also you know, it
Speaker 3: was just it was I actually wrote about this in
Speaker 3: my book too, because being on that show, I mean,
Speaker 3: I never I didn't come from money. I came from
Speaker 3: a single mom, and you know, always negative in the
Speaker 3: bank account. And anytime I'd like, you know, i'd be
Speaker 3: waitressing in Los Angeles and then I would book something
Speaker 3: have to obviously quit my job, but it was like
Speaker 3: then right then I'd go back to negative in the
Speaker 3: account again. And so when I got One Tree Hill,
Speaker 3: I talked about this in the next chapter where it
Speaker 3: was like it was my We went shopping to that
Speaker 3: really cute store we'd always go to. I can't remember
Speaker 3: this Oliver was it Oliver?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: And you I saw this it was like this ring.
Speaker 3: It was like this bird with like a cage over it,
Speaker 3: and you're like you should get it, like it's so great,
Speaker 3: and I just started getting you know, decent checks, you
Speaker 3: know that I've never seen in my lifetime. And so
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, with Sophia, it's three hundred dollars,
Speaker 3: and she's like, girl, you're a serious regular.
Speaker 2: Now, like you know, we need to get it.
Speaker 3: And I was just like okay, But I remember just
Speaker 3: being so sick about three hundred dollars bring that I
Speaker 3: got myself, But like you definitely opened me up to like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, the you were you know, you kind of
Speaker 3: help me babystep into two things in like that world,
Speaker 3: and it was just you know, but also you were
Speaker 3: so generous too with everything. And you know, my favorite
Speaker 3: part was because I still was I'm always a poor
Speaker 3: girl at heart, Like even today, I'm just like I
Speaker 3: never know what it's going to not have any So
Speaker 3: but we would be in your in your room and
Speaker 3: I'd be like, what don't you want to wear again?
Speaker 3: So I can take it.
Speaker 2: If you would just give me. You're like, you're you're scraps.
Speaker 1: I remember that day when you were looking at that
Speaker 1: and thinking like, I don't know, I'm a very sentimental,
Speaker 1: ceremonial person and if there's something to celebrate like, you know,
Speaker 1: don't be insane obviously and put yourself at risk. But
Speaker 1: I think you deserve to celebrate it. And I just
Speaker 1: remember being like, babe, like you are a fucking serious
Speaker 1: regular now, like get yourself something that you will. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if in ten years you don't want to
Speaker 1: wear it anymore, Like you'll keep it forever and you'll
Speaker 1: remember that. And I think there's an energy in it,
Speaker 1: like when people ask me why I have a hard
Speaker 1: time getting rid of mementos and things, because for me,
Speaker 1: it's like I want to hold onto that good energy.
Speaker 1: I want to hold onto that good memory. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I yeah, I do remember that day, and
Speaker 1: I remember just being so excited for you because it's
Speaker 1: like you deserve to be proud of yourself.
Speaker 3: That's a therapy thing we all always talk about, right right.
Speaker 1: That's I know my therapist will always be like the
Speaker 1: word no one deserves, deserve is not and I'm like, listen,
Speaker 1: I've reframed deserve and I like it. We deserve this,
Speaker 1: Like I remember talking to the girls about that when
Speaker 1: we started this podcast. It was like, we deserve to
Speaker 1: figure out why we made a magic thing, like and
Speaker 1: we deserve to own it. We made it like our
Speaker 1: boss was obviously part of it, but like he doesn't
Speaker 1: own this. We own this. We made this goddamn it.
Speaker 3: Well, and again you get to change the script.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it feels good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and what a cool reference for the episode
Speaker 1: because that's essentially what Nathan and Haley are trying to
Speaker 1: do this whole time. And it's not lost on me
Speaker 1: that everyone's figuring out, you know, what stories to share
Speaker 1: and who they're going to be and if they can
Speaker 1: really pass a test, like Alex finding more of herself
Speaker 1: and being respected for her ideas and her intellect with
Speaker 1: Julian Nathan having to look at Haley and say, if
Speaker 1: you know me, if you actually have faith in me,
Speaker 1: if you know the man I am. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't do this.
Speaker 3: That chilled me by the way, given like that right,
Speaker 3: And when I read that script, it didn't it meant
Speaker 3: nothing to me, it did. I didn't feel anything, but like,
Speaker 3: given everything that I've gone through with trust stuff, I'm
Speaker 3: like that scene was so powerful to me now that
Speaker 3: I was just like I was in it because I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: if this is like if Alan said that to me,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, no, I trust you wholeheartedly. I couldn't
Speaker 3: have trusted maybe someone in my past, but like, yeah,
Speaker 3: for him to say that, it's like and what a
Speaker 3: disappointment also for him that he has to It's like
Speaker 3: I felt I felt for Joy's character because you know,
Speaker 3: obviously it's like, well, you know this is this is happening,
Speaker 3: and like this girl is saying that you know this
Speaker 3: was her son and you know his son whatever, so
Speaker 3: like that is that's a slap in the face, and
Speaker 3: it's hard not to trust the woman right or what
Speaker 3: she's saying. But also like for Nathan, I'm like I
Speaker 3: really felt for him too, because it's like what a
Speaker 3: slap in the face to not be trusted by your wife,
Speaker 3: Like who do you think I am?
Speaker 2: And who?
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not my father, I'm not gonna like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have abandoned a child, So not only do you
Speaker 3: think I've abandoned you, but I've abandoned a child.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, oh, it's heavy. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: what it was?
Speaker 1: I thought that was that certainly I think is my
Speaker 1: honorable mention for the whole episode. It was such a
Speaker 1: powerful scene and I gotta be honest, like I wrote down, wait,
Speaker 1: where is it?
Speaker 2: Wait before you say that?
Speaker 3: Though, I just have to say the only thing because now,
Speaker 3: like in therapy, because I've been through this, I just
Speaker 3: wish Nathan would have said, like something to the effect of, like,
Speaker 3: but and I am sorry that this is affecting you
Speaker 3: and this is hurting you, and that this has come
Speaker 3: up and what's brought up for you? Like he never
Speaker 3: actually he never had empathy in my eyes for her,
Speaker 3: and I only I'm saying, this is a forty year
Speaker 3: old who's gone through that, but like, but there should
Speaker 3: be empathy that this is even something that has come up,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't really see any like remorse on that
Speaker 3: side for her feelings.
Speaker 1: Well what drove me crazy? And I wrote down, I go,
Speaker 1: how dare he walks away? In all caps in my
Speaker 1: notes when she says her number is all over your
Speaker 1: cel phone bill, I was like, excuse me, you're gonna
Speaker 1: walk away. You're caught. But what I thought was interesting
Speaker 1: because I was like, this feels really gas lighting. He's
Speaker 1: saying he only lied about his wife trusting him, Like, no,
Speaker 1: he's lied about something. And what would have been I
Speaker 1: did catter, Well, what would have been so much better
Speaker 1: would have been like, did you really look at it?
Speaker 1: Imagine if he'd walked into the office and been like,
Speaker 1: these are all incoming calls, Haley, and then you could
Speaker 1: have been like, oh, now I get it. Instead he
Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe you don't trust me, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well.
Speaker 2: Clearly, this is why. Will show me that I can.
Speaker 1: Right to your point, I thought they really redeemed it,
Speaker 1: and I did love that it spoke to this larger thing,
Speaker 1: right of like, well you will believe what is often reported.
Speaker 1: You start to believe what's in the world around you.
Speaker 1: We see it now with social media and these algorithms,
Speaker 1: and like you know, he's like, this is being said
Speaker 1: about me and it isn't true. And I thought you
Speaker 1: would know, but I hate did I noted here. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, it comes back around, and I really
Speaker 1: like where they end up. But it's so clear to
Speaker 1: me that like a dishonest man had his hand on
Speaker 1: that scene, because I actually think a guy like Nathan
Speaker 1: would have been like, come look at it with me
Speaker 1: and realize these are incoming calls. Do you know how
Speaker 1: many people call me? Do you know how often this
Speaker 1: happens to me? And you could go, oh, there's more
Speaker 1: to the story.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, Like and he did say, like I'm a
Speaker 3: professional athlete, people get my number. But that's still a
Speaker 3: very gaslighting comment as opposed to like leaning in to
Speaker 3: have the comment.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well, and I think it speaks to
Speaker 1: that larger issue, right of what we were talking about
Speaker 1: in the other episode, like when the pileon happens, sometimes
Speaker 1: you just snap, and like Haley hit this woman. She snapped.
Speaker 1: She's clearly having a hard time. She's putting on a
Speaker 1: brave face, but how is this not supposed to rattle her?
Speaker 1: And I wish that the front half of the scene
Speaker 1: had felt more like the second half when he was
Speaker 1: really clear about if you don't trust me, this is
Speaker 1: a bigger issue. I was like, ooh, we now we're
Speaker 1: getting into the good stuff and this is what I
Speaker 1: want more.
Speaker 3: And I love you and I'm sorry that this has
Speaker 3: come up for you. This is like making a hearsay.
Speaker 3: That's all I want is lean in.
Speaker 1: Just I just want people to lean in understand that
Speaker 1: for her, this is really really difficult. Right, And then
Speaker 1: you have the flip side of this amazing comedy with
Speaker 1: you when Milly wakes up in your bed and you're
Speaker 1: working and you've texted Melvin Love.
Speaker 3: That was one of my those one of my favorite
Speaker 3: scenes because I'm like, eh, Melvin, like, I just like
Speaker 3: rock out with your rack.
Speaker 1: And the way Lisa almost says it and gasps. You
Speaker 1: two are so funny together. You're both such amazing comedians.
Speaker 1: I like I said, I just want I want more
Speaker 1: and more and more and more and more of it.
Speaker 3: Listen, girl, you have way more pull than I ever
Speaker 3: have pulled. So anytime you want to brooke an Alex show, and.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm a stove down. It's actually been so interesting
Speaker 1: because this is the first year of my life that
Speaker 1: I haven't been contracted to a show, and so like
Speaker 1: I've been able to travel a little more, I've been
Speaker 1: able to do more of this, like more podcasting and
Speaker 1: this sort of work. I've you know, I went and
Speaker 1: I made a movie I love. I'm about to make
Speaker 1: another movie. But when you were talking before about missing
Speaker 1: that on set camaraderie, I'm like, yeah, I miss that.
Speaker 1: Like I talked to my girlfriend Sky that I did
Speaker 1: Good Sam with about the same thing.
Speaker 3: Which by the way, was a great show and it
Speaker 3: deserves really more airtime.
Speaker 1: Well, it was given a terrible time slot and everything
Speaker 1: about when it was put on was terrible. But I
Speaker 1: got my friendship with her out of the deal and
Speaker 1: she met her now husband out of it. Like we
Speaker 1: just had the most wonderful set. But like because we
Speaker 1: had signed onto that show in early twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: then it was a three year process to even get
Speaker 1: through the first season with the pandemic, Like it was
Speaker 1: this long journey. And yeah, I don't know. I this
Speaker 1: is my first year not on a TV set and
Speaker 1: I miss it too. So I'm ready for the Brook
Speaker 1: and Alex and Millie show again.
Speaker 3: I am here. Let's do it. We can we know
Speaker 3: the right peeps.
Speaker 1: Okay, great? Can I ask if you noticed something about
Speaker 1: this episode which I am unwell.
Speaker 2: About which piece?
Speaker 1: Okay, the contrasts of and like the wonder of watching
Speaker 1: the Clay and Quinn relationship start. And Hillary pointed out
Speaker 1: the smartest thing when we were bringing Rob in that
Speaker 1: like Clay, Rob and Hillary are the same, and like
Speaker 1: Clay was essentially brought in to be peyton ish and
Speaker 1: and you get Quinn coming in, she's the like broody,
Speaker 1: beautiful art like Lucas and so much of their energy
Speaker 1: is so great. And then suddenly in this episode, Chantella
Speaker 1: is like out on the beach with her camera. She
Speaker 1: looks like a hot mermaid. Her hair is kind of rich.
Speaker 1: She's like in full aerial mode in her bathing suit,
Speaker 1: like appropriate for the beach. Right, and Clay is walking
Speaker 1: the beach in a suit, sand's jacket and swayed loafers
Speaker 1: and they have multiple scenes together and she's in a
Speaker 1: bathing suit and he keeps his loafers on in the
Speaker 1: sand even when they're sitting down.
Speaker 3: I did not notice that that's an eye, that that's
Speaker 3: a good director.
Speaker 2: I right there did not notice that.
Speaker 1: I'm not okay. I was like, why why is he
Speaker 1: wearing this outfit? Why is he wearing his shoes? Why
Speaker 1: does he never take his shoes off?
Speaker 3: I feel like that's something that I now, Like when
Speaker 3: I was shooting the last movie with Austin, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I would never wear this to therapy. I'm not wearing
Speaker 3: this short little sun dress at therap Like we have
Speaker 3: to change the wardrobe for this. So there's many times
Speaker 3: now that like I've taken because it's like but like
Speaker 3: back in the day, I would have never I would
Speaker 3: have never thought that.
Speaker 1: Like y'all I was. I was just like, what is
Speaker 1: going on? And they're having their chemistry's building and they're
Speaker 1: having these sweet conversations and he's just got his suede
Speaker 1: loafers on.
Speaker 2: In the end, I'm not like, I'm not good, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: But I really enjoy I really enjoy their dynamic. And
Speaker 1: I liked finally getting to see because we've seen in
Speaker 1: the episodes building up to this, you see the reveal
Speaker 1: that they're not actually sleeping together, that they're just leaning
Speaker 1: on each other. You know, Clay has something building, and
Speaker 1: now you know the blonde no spoilers has showed up
Speaker 1: and there's something going on here. We know about Quinn
Speaker 1: and David, obviously, we don't know about Clay and this
Speaker 1: woman yet, but we know he's got a pain point,
Speaker 1: and you've seen them build this friendship and talk about
Speaker 1: the fact that they're not screwing around, right And then
Speaker 1: when Quinn goes at Nathan and calls him on it
Speaker 1: in this episode, I was like, guess girl, he has
Speaker 1: absolutely no right to judge you.
Speaker 3: I love this, yes, one thousand, and I love how
Speaker 3: Nathan then came and apologized and said that what he
Speaker 3: said too to Quinn. But also like I love watching
Speaker 3: Rob and Chantelle's scenes together because I also, you know,
Speaker 3: they were such good friends off camera too, and so
Speaker 3: it was just like their well, how how their storyline
Speaker 3: progresses is I've just I always loved I don't know,
Speaker 3: just like there's like there's truth into it, and it's
Speaker 3: I think it's just a beautiful relationship on an off screen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's nice all these years past doing it to have
Speaker 1: the ability to watch it and go, oh, I can
Speaker 1: see the seeds of that, like, yeah, I can see
Speaker 1: you me and Lisa having so much fun together because
Speaker 1: we did. Yeah, I can see the easy friendship budding
Speaker 1: between Rob and Chante well because it did. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's it's special when those things translate because they add
Speaker 1: just like a layer of something that's bigger than what's
Speaker 1: on the page.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're both you know, great actors too. But
Speaker 3: there's what I like about both of them is there's
Speaker 3: that mystery, like you kind of said, and there's a
Speaker 3: that's that's what's intriguing to go, wait, well, who's the
Speaker 3: blond again? And so I'm like, all right, So I'm
Speaker 3: you know that kind again is like that I know
Speaker 3: now because it's a refreshment memory obviously, but like that
Speaker 3: there's both of them bring a kind of a beautiful
Speaker 3: mystery thread through the through the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I just enjoy all of the scenes.
Speaker 1: You know, I know we talked about it earlier, but
Speaker 1: I really want to focus on it for a bit.
Speaker 1: You and Austin are so good together. And even you
Speaker 1: freaking out in the house walking around behind him when
Speaker 1: he's reading the script and you're like, it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be funny, you're not laughing, and he never looks up
Speaker 1: and goes, maybe I'm laughing on the inside.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just love I love the dynamic. I love the relationship.
Speaker 1: It's a date, it's work, it's a date. It's a
Speaker 1: working date.
Speaker 2: Date ish date ish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 3: But also I think that was the friendship too, Like
Speaker 3: we were all roommates and it was roomies, and like
Speaker 3: that's why I think, like Austin and I worked so
Speaker 3: well together this past you know, spring summer, it was
Speaker 3: because it's like there's that that friendship, that connection there
Speaker 3: that's just like and even so even on set when
Speaker 3: I was with them a couple of months ago. I'm like,
Speaker 3: was that okay? Like like I don't know, Like it's
Speaker 3: just like, you know, be able to like work play
Speaker 3: off of each other. It's just it was it was fun.
Speaker 3: It was like he's one of my all time favorite
Speaker 3: scene partners. So and through that, like Alex Julian, it's
Speaker 3: like he let me have some fun and also he
Speaker 3: helped me along the way too, and a lot of scenes,
Speaker 3: you know, moving forward in the episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I love that so much?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: Do you have sense memory when you watch certain scenes?
Speaker 1: Like sometimes when we pan across the river, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: my god, I can smell Wilmington when I watch this,
Speaker 1: or oh I remember being in that set because we
Speaker 1: broke in the middle of that scene and I remember
Speaker 1: getting in so much trouble. We can stop laughing. Like
Speaker 1: are there things watching these episodes that come up for
Speaker 1: you like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The where we shot my hotel room scenes was in
Speaker 3: the was in the what's that called the My gosh,
Speaker 3: it was on one of the stages, right, it was
Speaker 3: theeat on the stage. It built it, so they built
Speaker 3: it on the stage and you know, our trailers just
Speaker 3: were outside there and you know, it just brought back
Speaker 3: all the memories of I mean from catering to the
Speaker 3: offices were right there and then but to us like
Speaker 3: hanging out you know on our chairs outside just outside
Speaker 3: that door was just the open stage, you know, like
Speaker 3: there wasn't much else there and so you know, just
Speaker 3: the times that were had when they yelled cut checked
Speaker 3: the gate at the time, So like that was that
Speaker 3: those memories were were awesome and just you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean there was so many times too where we
Speaker 3: would just have to cut because we're laughing, you know,
Speaker 3: and like that's just the joy of the fun had
Speaker 3: on set. Was was that? But I think, yeah, my
Speaker 3: favorite memories was was working on my in my stage
Speaker 3: with the hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting too to begin to see the dynamic shift.
Speaker 1: The buddy comedy of Alex and Millie is so fun.
Speaker 2: She's great.
Speaker 3: I didn't like I knew Lisa was a great actress obviously,
Speaker 3: but like like kind of like you had said, I
Speaker 3: was listening to a previous episode and you were saying,
Speaker 3: you know it's or no, maybe it was Rob like
Speaker 3: you know, you like acting with you don't get to
Speaker 3: like watch, or maybe it was on your voice note,
Speaker 3: but you don't. You don't get to like actually watch
Speaker 3: and so now watching it, I'm like, Lisa is so
Speaker 3: like she had me cracking up, Like I'm like, she's
Speaker 3: so funny.
Speaker 1: She's incredible, Like I would have loved to see Lisa
Speaker 1: on SNL one thousand.
Speaker 2: Well, she's like, what is she doing? Still? Like I
Speaker 2: haven't I've lost touch with her. So I'm like, is
Speaker 2: she still acting like.
Speaker 1: We we we all keep trying to find her. Really
Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, I don't know. I like I tried
Speaker 1: to hunt down Brendan.
Speaker 3: Like she's not at a conventions, Like I like don't
Speaker 3: know where. I don't know where she's at.
Speaker 1: None of us miss her. Girl smoke signals we're coming
Speaker 1: for you. Oh my god, could you imagine you and
Speaker 1: you and me like tweel dumb and tweetledd at the
Speaker 1: front door, like, hey.
Speaker 2: Girl, around you finding Lisa. There's our show? Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Honestly I'm so ready for it. But like there's something
Speaker 1: so precious. You guys are so funny and so sweet
Speaker 1: and and because as you said, Alex doesn't there's not
Speaker 1: like a mean bone in her body. She thinks everything
Speaker 1: she's doing and saying is okay. The the cringe I felt,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially the time period. My god, calling Lisa
Speaker 1: Goldstein plus size is like, oh, I'm like, no wonder
Speaker 1: we all had such insane like body confidence issues. Also
Speaker 1: like more power to him? Is anyone on earth hotter
Speaker 1: than Ashley Graham?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But right the the time was so hard on women
Speaker 1: and so toxic for us, and yet this toxicity was
Speaker 1: coming through Alex as this like incredibly sweet person. Who
Speaker 1: didn't you didn't say it in a mean way. You
Speaker 1: didn't mean it in a mean way. But you start
Speaker 1: to see how depending on the way someone feels, someone
Speaker 1: else's words affect them. And the beginning of this storyline like,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's a hard one to watch, yeah, because you know,
Speaker 3: well we know how it ends up with, you know,
Speaker 3: with her and and how like you know the road
Speaker 3: that she takes and that self doubt, Like she didn't
Speaker 3: think that she had any body issues until I said
Speaker 3: something different to her. So then now she's believing, you know,
Speaker 3: that's that now becomes her her truth when it's not
Speaker 3: her truth, it's the world telling her something as he
Speaker 3: and that's sad.
Speaker 1: It's so sad.
Speaker 3: And that's where I'm always like, even like as a
Speaker 3: parent too, I'm like, the world is going to tell
Speaker 3: you so many mistruths, which is why I'm constant like
Speaker 3: you are good enough, you are brave, you are strong,
Speaker 3: you're beautiful. It's like, because everyone else is going to
Speaker 3: tell you everything that's not true, so let me be
Speaker 3: the one to tell us. I'm like, oh, that that
Speaker 3: like hurt watching is like an adult.
Speaker 1: No, it hurt me too. And it's like, it's what
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier that Alan always says, right, what's
Speaker 1: in our four walls? Like for you to be able
Speaker 1: to teach your kids that what's in your four walls
Speaker 1: is what's true, Yeah, it's so important because the world's
Speaker 1: going to be terrible to them. I mean what we
Speaker 1: did to Millie. By the way, Ash and Sammy watched
Speaker 1: with me yesterday and ash goes diet pills. Why And
Speaker 1: I said, well, because when you went in the other room,
Speaker 1: you missed the point, like they were saying.
Speaker 2: Wait, so Ashley knows who I am.
Speaker 1: She sure does, and she and I go, you know
Speaker 1: essentially what they're saying, and like, obviously it's ridiculous. But
Speaker 1: like this character is telling this character like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: the model and you're the plus size model, and she
Speaker 1: goes no, like screamed at the top of our lungs,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, welcome to tree Hill. This
Speaker 1: is why everyone had a complex. You're welcome. Oh yeah, yeh.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate that that this thing that is so hard,
Speaker 1: like that makes us all cringe, is not delivered with
Speaker 1: malice on your part, Like it was such a good
Speaker 1: choice for you to continue that stream of consciousness that
Speaker 1: they had no mal intent, because you begin to see
Speaker 1: the way people are affected rather than necessarily the way
Speaker 1: people are like bullied. And I like that it wasn't bullying,
Speaker 1: that it was that it was personal fear exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like inside too, like I'm taking these dive
Speaker 3: pills because I'm told that I need to be skinny, right, yeah, Well, and.
Speaker 1: You see how this toxic system just is hurting everybody.
Speaker 2: And I like that.
Speaker 1: We also got the behind the scenes with her in
Speaker 1: that beautiful scene with mouth where she just starts to cry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wrote it down.
Speaker 1: I said, the fact that Millie's crying about her body
Speaker 1: is so fucking sad. To me, they did this to
Speaker 1: all of us, like that's in my notes, but that
Speaker 1: thing when she says it made me feel special.
Speaker 3: Well, but also though I would just want to say
Speaker 3: this too, is like they did that to us. But
Speaker 3: also even in this show, like I remember one of
Speaker 3: the scenes moving forward where I have to be in
Speaker 3: like lingerie, it was I didn't have like the flattest stomach,
Speaker 3: and so there was some words said that made me
Speaker 3: feel like, oh, we need a higher wasted because this
Speaker 3: isn't going to look good on camera. And so then
Speaker 3: my head goes, oh because I have a stomach. Yeah
Speaker 3: I know, like I know, and so you know we're
Speaker 3: also told in our workplaces too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, that's the thing is it's relentless and
Speaker 1: no matter what you are, you're not the right thing. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: oh you're you're pale, you should be tan, you're tan?
Speaker 1: Why why are you getting sun damage? You're like whatever
Speaker 1: it is, it's terrible.
Speaker 3: Do we remember my sun damage? By the way, we
Speaker 3: can't know this is a way later episode, but do
Speaker 3: you remember Puerto Rican? So we my member, I got
Speaker 3: burn in my entire Oh you're sun burn? Yeah remember
Speaker 3: the sunburn? And like it peeled off of my face.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible. That was the worst.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think that, like the way we were
Speaker 1: treated on camera and off was so crazy. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I thought was so beautiful that I felt
Speaker 1: like they gave to Millie but was so true for
Speaker 1: the rest of us, was like I have felt competent
Speaker 1: and smart and capable and reliable, but never special. And
Speaker 1: I feel like women feeling special in that era, the
Speaker 1: people in power always perceived as dangerous, and I love
Speaker 1: that now, whether it's the way body positivity has changed,
Speaker 1: or like even you know, you see Simone and Jordan
Speaker 1: like bowing down out to the Brazilian gymnast, like yeah,
Speaker 1: all the girlies, we're all here together in a new way,
Speaker 1: and I'm I don't know, I love it and I
Speaker 1: love I love that we get to sort of be
Speaker 1: here in that era for each other, too, agreed. And
Speaker 1: that mouth was there for Milly in that moment and
Speaker 1: put her little shoe on like a Cinderella.
Speaker 3: Moment right well, And that mouth was not only there
Speaker 3: for a Millie, but that were how he showed up
Speaker 3: for Nathan too, because he it's really easy to be
Speaker 3: able to jump on the wagon of what media is
Speaker 3: talking about and you know that being his friend, and
Speaker 3: so it's easy in these day and age to be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: well sources say or you know, because we're close to
Speaker 3: certain people that you know, we know or whatever. But
Speaker 3: in this situation, where can sports like can this show
Speaker 3: just be about sports? And does why does it have
Speaker 3: to be like just you know, talking about things that
Speaker 3: we have no idea or having an opinion about something
Speaker 3: we don't know, you know, And when.
Speaker 1: You see the way that running with a lie will
Speaker 1: legitimize it, like you saw it with the boxer from Algeria,
Speaker 1: that poor woman, like everybody just ran with this nonsense
Speaker 1: about her during the Olympics. And it was really interesting
Speaker 1: watching this episode this week because it felt so timely
Speaker 1: to have mouth say we're not going to do that.
Speaker 1: We're not going to legitimize a falsehood by reporting on
Speaker 1: it for clicks, for ratings. Come on, and you kind
Speaker 1: of wish, kind of wish the media I would do
Speaker 1: a little more of that, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm always like just what is the truth.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, because I've even come to you
Speaker 3: on certain things and be like, this is what I'm
Speaker 3: this is what I hear and what I've been, you know, told,
Speaker 3: what is like? I just want to know what the
Speaker 3: actual facts are, Like, what are the facts like? Yeah,
Speaker 3: from like but there's a fact from there's facts from
Speaker 3: two different sides. I just want to know the the
Speaker 3: one fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the actual fact, not the alternative fact?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like what is just actually the fact?
Speaker 3: And that's where I'm like, That's where I feel like
Speaker 3: it's hard to live in this day and age because
Speaker 3: there are facts from both from so many places, and
Speaker 3: I just would like to know the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and then it gets really juicy, right because Dan,
Speaker 1: you start to realize what's his angle here, you know,
Speaker 1: and the fact that Rachel has to come in to
Speaker 1: try to convince Renee. It's so well done because I remember,
Speaker 1: again not trying to spoil it for any first time viewers,
Speaker 1: but I remember where this goes, and they were so
Speaker 1: good at weaving these possibilities. Dan saying, you know, I
Speaker 1: want him to be better than I was. I don't
Speaker 1: want it to take him sixteen years to claim his
Speaker 1: other child. I did exactly this, He's my son. And
Speaker 1: then Rachel's sitting down and being like give me a break,
Speaker 1: Nathan blow him off, and he's here to bury him
Speaker 1: and help you, and you're just like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: Who's telling the truth? I mean, this is why I
Speaker 2: get why the show works.
Speaker 3: It's juicy, and I'm like, I want to go back
Speaker 3: now now that I've watched a few and like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what happens again?
Speaker 1: Like okay, well, good keep watching and then you can
Speaker 1: bop in here and hang with us more and more. Selfishly,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I got you all to myself
Speaker 1: this week, and I know Robin so bummed to not
Speaker 1: be here, so you'll have to come back and get
Speaker 1: to hang.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to.
Speaker 3: You would love to when when you guys want me back,
Speaker 3: it's always fun to rewatch it and drag Alan to
Speaker 3: watch it with me.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I do have We got this question,
Speaker 1: perhaps more than any other question when we told the
Speaker 1: fans that you were coming. Everyone wants to know what
Speaker 1: you think Alex du Pray is up to now.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I love that question, and that is
Speaker 3: why I want to do a show. I think she's
Speaker 3: still trying to find her way, but like in the
Speaker 3: best way possible, like I don't think she's lost, but
Speaker 3: I think she's just kind of like on her eat
Speaker 3: Prey Love right now, figuring it out. And I know
Speaker 3: that she's going to have like the happy but I
Speaker 3: think she's still like she's kind of still figuring it out.
Speaker 3: I don't think she's a mom yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you think is Alex like like Jana in
Speaker 1: real life? Is she a multi hyphen it? Is she
Speaker 1: also making music?
Speaker 3: Is she? Yes, she's doing all the things. She's doing music,
Speaker 3: she's doing movies, she's going through men, she's you know,
Speaker 3: she's she's doing she's doing it all. I love it.
Speaker 3: But she's gonna slow down soon. But first she has
Speaker 3: to have a show about all the things.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we need to see her have some wild times.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that feels fun.
Speaker 2: But she she's not into like she's not in the gutter.
Speaker 2: She's not.
Speaker 3: She's still sober. She's still doing uh Lime, like you know,
Speaker 3: the lime shots with water you know, and just you know,
Speaker 3: she's still trying trying to tie cherry ties like you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like that's her thing. Yeah, she's
Speaker 3: still lively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's still fun, but she's she's responsible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ish Ish state Ish ha Ish always ansh with her.
Speaker 1: What an absolute delight you are. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming friends. We will see you next week for
Speaker 1: season seven, Episode seven.
Speaker 3: I and Love and you all right, girl, you're the best.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Thank you, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Talk to you soon.
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