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Speaker 2: It was too close to the Don Lemon firing.

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Speaker 2: And you know they always drinking on New Year's Eve. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Were good?

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Speaker 3: I pull up all my life, grinding all my light, sacrifice, hustle.

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Speaker 1: P Price, want to slice?

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Speaker 3: Got the bro All my life? I've been grinding all

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Speaker 1: Got the bronc Geysa All my life.

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Speaker 3: I've been grinding all my life.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, Shanny Sharp. I'm also the Propride of

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Speaker 1: Club Sha Sha. Stopping by for converse and a drink today.

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Speaker 1: The master of observational comedy, one of the America's most

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Speaker 1: respected cultural commentators, Fords declared him one of comedy's best journalists,

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Speaker 1: a fan favorite, an Emmy Award winning correspondent, an Emmy

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Speaker 1: Award in Writers Guild of America nominated producer and a writer.

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Speaker 1: An award winning host. He's entertained millions as a consistent

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Speaker 1: figure on television and radio for more than two decades.

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Speaker 1: An internationally known comedian who makes you think, a dynamic

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Speaker 1: force and entertainer, A famed actor, acclaimed television personality, accomplished entertainer,

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Speaker 1: thought provoking journalists, a love philanthropist, an author, and a father.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show, Roy Wood Junior.

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Speaker 2: I've told Shane Sad how that is. I read it

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Speaker 2: like you're rehearsed.

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Speaker 1: I just like to give people when people come on

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Speaker 1: flowers because sometimes I don't know if they've heard it

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Speaker 1: when you're in it, you don't sit, you're not cherishing

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Speaker 1: Like damn, man I did all that. Man I did

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Speaker 1: So I want someone, I want you to hear what

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Speaker 2: I think smelling your own flowers feels arrogant. So that's

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Speaker 2: why I never really stopped to do it. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's the idea. Yeah you did that, but you could

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Speaker 1: Last time somebody offer you a drink, you turned it down.

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Speaker 1: But I think the thing is for me if I

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Speaker 1: Man right clicks whatever the headline read, Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you get a journalist who decides to tell

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Speaker 2: the truth or press the issue on air, like Don Lemon,

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Speaker 2: you just ain't him off the air and put somebody

436
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Speaker 2: else in who who you want to do your bidding.

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Speaker 2: So it would require for humanity to for humanity to

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Speaker 2: truly advance, it would require a level of fiscal self

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Speaker 2: sacrifice that I do not believe most Americans absolutely not

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Speaker 2: are prepared to make. You know, I talked about this

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Speaker 2: a couple hour specials ago. But like it's like fire ants,

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Speaker 2: right when there's a flood and a fire ant maun

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Speaker 2: gets flooded. This was happening in Texas during some hurricanes.

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Speaker 2: The fire ants all form a ball, and that joint

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Speaker 2: floats until it gets to dry ground. Now, while it's floating,

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Speaker 2: it's constantly rotating so that on.

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Speaker 1: The bottom they get some fresh air too.

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Speaker 2: It's fresh air. They rotate back down to the bottom. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but periodically some of them cats is gonna drown. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there have to be some sacrifice. But the columni survived.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And so if we're talking about people fighting against an

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Speaker 2: administration or fighting against public ideology, then it will require

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Speaker 2: more people all running up against that same buzzsaw. And

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Speaker 2: in some degree, you know, a lot of people are hesitant.

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily believe that blind sacrifice is the only

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Speaker 2: way to make progress. I think that there's I think

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Speaker 2: that there has to be a multi pronged attack. But

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Speaker 2: when you ask the question of is freedom of speech

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Speaker 2: under attack? Yeah, they stress testing. This year is stress

461
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Speaker 2: testing just what we can get away with, you know,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's Charlie Kirk's widow is soon I forget the

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Speaker 2: network or it's ABC of the view somebody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, forty four hundred million.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the number. I don't want to get

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Speaker 2: sued either. Let's tell you what I heard. But the

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Speaker 2: idea of the media being policed down to the comma,

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Speaker 2: that's how we're gonna get you. We're not gonna say

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Speaker 2: you can't say anything. We're just gonna go technicality.

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Speaker 1: Want my money?

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Speaker 2: And what's the corporation gonna do? A corporation ain't gonna

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Speaker 2: take this to trial. Sorry, we admit no wrongdoing. You

473
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Speaker 2: admit that we did nothing wrong, and we wash our hands.

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Speaker 2: It's sixty minutes trump sixteen million dollars. It's easier to settle.

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Speaker 2: So now, if you're gonna say anything bad about me,

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Speaker 2: I'm a tax you. But you still I got freedom

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Speaker 2: of speech right now. If you're the company that just

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Speaker 2: had to pay out, let's just say, Charlie Kirks widow wins,

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Speaker 2: the money should get the bread. Well, then the next

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Speaker 2: time there's anything sideways or politically charged, it needs to

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Speaker 2: be said on the show, y'all gonna get calling to

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Speaker 2: that meeting before the showget yeah. All we're gonna say

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Speaker 2: is this, here's your words, here's your words, and hit

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Speaker 2: freedom speech. So right right, So, I think that you

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Speaker 2: create an atmosphere where the media is scared to touch

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Speaker 2: on anything because they know that there's a fiscal consequence,

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Speaker 2: and the employees are scared to touch on anything because

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Speaker 2: there's a fiscal consequence. And the only thing you're going

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Speaker 2: to be left with is comedians and podcasters because they're

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Speaker 2: the ones who don't give a fuck. They already been broke,

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Speaker 2: they already been slapping a car. So threatening them with

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Speaker 2: unemployed the comedy stand up comedy is literally committing to

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Speaker 2: unemployment for three to five years to start, right, Hey, man,

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Speaker 2: I want you to do this. I'm not gonna pay

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Speaker 2: you nothing, and I'm gonna give you two chicken wings

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Speaker 2: and if you get boots, you don't get the chicken wings.

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Speaker 2: So you're not that group of people. You're not gonna scare.

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Speaker 2: I believe that group of people will always have the

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Speaker 2: and I think that they will continue to be the

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Speaker 2: But that's not just it's not just about the president.

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Speaker 2: it's not just her, there's also all of these other

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Speaker 2: public officials that are going on. When you said something

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Speaker 2: about me, well maybe I can get a little bit

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Speaker 2: of money too, So do you make it illegal to

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Speaker 2: say the thing? I think we are going to eventually

543
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Speaker 2: be in a situation in this country where patriots are

544
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Speaker 2: going to have to choose between their leader and the

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Speaker 2: founding fathers and the documents they wrote up, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna see what you wanna win. Well, black folks just

547
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Speaker 2: along for a ride. This this don't concern us. I

548
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Speaker 2: mean it does, but we ain't got no say. It's

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Speaker 2: just this is just watching white folks fight, right, that's

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Speaker 2: really what politics is.

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Speaker 1: Well, it looks like the Supreme Court, and listen to

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas, like anything that's been written can be challenged.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like anything that he's saying it's not lost.

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Speaker 2: So there's nothing gospel, nothing is gospel? Then the oh

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Speaker 2: okay God. So then if Clarence Thomas say nothing is gospel,

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Speaker 2: and he can go well, we can go back and

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Speaker 2: look at any decision. I thought Supreme meant lad, that's it,

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Speaker 2: that's it done.

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Speaker 1: Boom.

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Speaker 2: We never talking about this again. Right, So if they

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Speaker 2: can undouce Supreme Court rulers, at what point can they go,

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Speaker 2: you know what, maybe we need to do to redo

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Speaker 2: some of these amendments. Yes, yes, that's coming. It's all

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Speaker 2: stress testing. Everything right now is stress testing, and.

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Speaker 1: There's really nothing you can do about it because they

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Speaker 1: got a sixty three.

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Speaker 2: It's like when you date a girl and then you're

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Speaker 2: trying to see how dumb she is and see what

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Speaker 2: you can get away with. Okay, you ain't gonna go

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Speaker 2: with me on now you treat all your women good? Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's fine, My bad, My bad?

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Speaker 1: What you do?

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Speaker 2: I'm not calling for two days and see if she

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Speaker 2: get mad and if she on trip off? You not

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Speaker 2: calling for two days? You know you got a two

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Speaker 2: day window. Sorry, I'm talking too much. Bad, I'm signed

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 4: Where are you on.

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Speaker 1: National guard in the city? Where are you on the

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Speaker 1: National Guard with what?

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Speaker 2: Why would anybody before that?

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Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 2: Where are you on? Wasting niggas time?

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Speaker 1: But you know DC, they say mad, DC is the

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Speaker 1: safest it's ever been. I ain't getting carjack.

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Speaker 2: Did you see did you see the footage in Chicago

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Speaker 2: or the brother on the bike just riding past the

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Speaker 2: National Guard they walking down Miracle I think it's called

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Speaker 2: Miracle Madama whatever it is down the downtown, the nice

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Speaker 2: the nicest guard. Yes, yeah, fuck crime is down here.

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Speaker 2: But you want to go to South Shore with that

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Speaker 2: nonsense where you though you're not and so like you're

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Speaker 2: not gonna go MLK in fifty fifth with it, are you?

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Speaker 2: You're not? So stop acting like this isn't something. This

595
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Speaker 2: is some big ass theater.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad for the National Guard soldiers bro right,

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Speaker 2: because like people get mad at the Guard like they

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Speaker 2: the police. I'm in the National Guard. You signed up

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Speaker 2: one weekend a month, two weeks a year to fix

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Speaker 2: a tank and get some college education behaving. And the

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Speaker 2: problem is that the National Guard dressing the same camo

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Speaker 2: as the SWAT and the police. So it's just as

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Speaker 2: mad at them because they are being used as.

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Speaker 1: So you believe it's a political theater.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I do not like the fact that people

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Speaker 2: who have taken an oath to die for this country

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Speaker 2: are being told to walk past or fucking lids on

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Speaker 2: Michigan avenue to make sure nobody's still in fitted caps,

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Speaker 2: because that's what's happening in Chicago right now. And I

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Speaker 2: think that using our military for that purpose it's backwards,

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Speaker 2: is dumb and stupid. All of the ice stuff is

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Speaker 2: backwards and dumb and stupid, just in general. But the

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Speaker 2: idea of having that presence, it should also tell you

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Speaker 2: just how easy it is to get the public opinion

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Speaker 2: of people. Because yeah, DC's the safest it's ever been.

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Speaker 2: But you know what else make people safe? Parks, sports,

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Speaker 2: literacy programs, jobs, yes, and you know what, that stuff

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Speaker 2: needs money. So the same money you use to pay

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Speaker 2: a whole platoon, you could have done more literacy. But

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Speaker 2: the second and third grader should get kids. There's statistics.

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Speaker 2: My ministry is literacy, youth literacy and sports, right because

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Speaker 2: in Birmingham, those are the two things that have really

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Speaker 2: helped to turn around some of the crime in the city.

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Speaker 2: You get kids reading a grade level by the third grade,

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Speaker 2: they're less likely to be hungry or homeless, they're less

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Speaker 2: likely to end up in jail. So you want to

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Speaker 2: stop crime, start way down there. So don't tell me

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Speaker 2: that this is fighting crime. Okay, cool, But is this

630
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Speaker 2: the only way to fight crime. It's silly and it's nonsensical, man,

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Speaker 2: and it's theater, and it's inviting open government harassment to

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Speaker 2: the point where it potentially becomes normalized. And that's not

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Speaker 2: that's not good. You know, they talking about the Guard

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Speaker 2: in Portland. They're talking about the Guard and National Guard

635
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Speaker 2: going on tour like these are regular folks. Are they

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Speaker 2: still in I don't know, because they never stayed with

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Speaker 2: the story long enough. They show you the Guard there,

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Speaker 2: They never show you them leaving. That might be an

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Speaker 2: indictment on the media, but I don't I don't agree

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Speaker 2: with Like. The short answer is, I think it's stupid

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Speaker 2: to deploy soldiers.

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Speaker 1: Your military to police your own citizens.

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Speaker 2: To police your own citizens.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear what you have. How we are

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Speaker 1: the I guess I GDP is through the ying yang.

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Speaker 1: Why do we have the mass shootings that no other

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Speaker 1: country has?

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Speaker 2: Why because we don't have the mental health care all

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Speaker 2: these other countries. We be comparing ourselves to God, jobs

650
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: and God, some healthcare and less shit for citizens to

651
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: stress and worry about. They also don't have nearly the

652
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: degree of conspiracy. Theorists and people dealing with all types

653
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: of mental health issues and isolation, which in and of itself,

654
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: even the most sane person can be broken down if

655
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: they're isolated long enough. And that's what COVID did, That's

656
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: what a lot of remote work did, which, by the way,

657
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: that's that's the that's like one of the few things

658
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: that Trump and Elon was talking about. I was like,

659
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: all right, I give you that one. Get your ass

660
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: back to work.

661
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: Why they don't want to go back to work?

662
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: Because, man, you people. For a lot of people, your

663
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: office is the only place you see people. Yes, you

664
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: at home by yourself, and then you work at a

665
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: computer by yourself. Then you get fired over zoom and

666
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: then you come to the grocery store and shoot me.

667
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: That's fucked up. Yeah, I ain't do nothing to duck

668
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: the one fired. You go to the building. How you

669
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: shoot dug bro? How you call the people that you

670
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 2: work with stop? There's a lot of mass shootings because

671
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: they can't get to the people they want to kill.

672
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: There's some good cognac.

673
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: Why how do you let mess you this? How do

674
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: you call in sick to work and you work from home?

675
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: Sit in the bed right there? Man?

676
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: You got the rod you can't get nobody sick but yourself,

677
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: but still you will a minute you put jab on me.

678
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic. I'm not performing at my optimum, you know.

679
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: But I really do think that America has a unique

680
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: set of circumstances where there are a million different ways

681
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: your life could be ship in this country, and there

682
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: are a million different solutions that are not functional, and

683
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: you can at some point have a degree of hopelessness

684
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: and taking a gun and killing strangers might be your

685
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: only way of, as you believe, sensibly trying to I

686
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: don't know, alleviate that pain or to be seen. That's

687
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: a real crazy thing about shootings now is that we

688
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: don't even righteously be naming the shooters no more like

689
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: it used to be a time. And it sounds like

690
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: a joke, but I'm not. Like there used to be

691
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: a time where if you shot a bunch of people,

692
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: they would say your name, they would reach your manifesto,

693
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: and like it would be it would be news for

694
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: multiple days. It could be a shooting at noon that

695
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: don't make the six o'clock news. It could be a

696
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: shooting at six that don't make the ten pm news.

697
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: Because we don't care. So the idea is absolutely even

698
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: in murdering people, you're still an unknown because it's such

699
00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: a norm. And I think that comparing America to other

700
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: countries is one of the most backwards. There's no other

701
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: country like America is fifty fucking countries all connected, So

702
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: you do, we do have a lot of different man

703
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: in Switzerland, there's Switzerland the size of Delaware.

704
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: Shut up it don't it's not the same. And they're

705
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: probably likes yeah.

706
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: And they all ride bikes, so that helps your health

707
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: and your bit total health in it. You can't get

708
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: people to ride city buses and most cities that have

709
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: decent transportation because I want my car. So they're just

710
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: more stressors and there's less solutions in this country. And

711
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: I think that's why mental health is so problematic and just.

712
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: And it's not just mass shootings. I mean a lot

713
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: of domestic violence in this country and violence against women.

714
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: It's all rooted in a lot of the same causations,

715
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: you know, and so a lot of the crime is

716
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: rooted in that. And I think that's a big reason

717
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: why crime here is so different. That's why we have

718
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: more people in prison than any other place on Earth,

719
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: more people on probation than any other place on earth

720
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: with probation set up. I think with two million in

721
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: the prisons, four maybe five million people on papers and

722
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: probation don't mean you free.

723
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: It's set up one thing.

724
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: And I say that as somebody that did three years

725
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: of federal probation like that's not it is not set

726
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: up in any shape form of way to encourage you

727
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: or to make you better. I'm here because we just

728
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: haven't figured out how to put you in there, right,

729
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna watch your ass in the moment you

730
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: give me a chance get I'm gonna put you in there.

731
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what this is what I'm gonna do.

732
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna make you president in twenty eight You're

733
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna be the president. Everybody out of prison, but rapists charmelin, okay,

734
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: get back to me. But nonviolent prison no, so do weed.

735
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: You open the doors for them? Absolutely. I be legalized cocaine.

736
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: Damn it is it killed? I mean you got the

737
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: fentanyl in it. But that ain't okay. You called a

738
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: bad batch. I'm sorry, damn uh right. If we're talking

739
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: about putting people in jail, bro there was a story

740
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: we tried to do on the Daily Show. That didn't

741
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: get done. But there were owners of private prisons who

742
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: were suing the states. They are contracted to imprison people

743
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: in because they don't have enough prisoners because the state

744
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: got lax on some of their laws and decided to

745
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: be more lenient on incarceration. So you have a state

746
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: government that goes, all right, we ain't gonna put as

747
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: many people in prison, but the private company running the

748
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: prison go, nah, mo, fucking you promise that eighty percent

749
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: capacity at all times we had fifty percent capacity. Go

750
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: catch some niggas and bring them and put or reimburse

751
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: me for the people that are not in here. And

752
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: the state can't afford to do it. So they locked

753
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: up in court right now. Damn almost everybody in this country.

754
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: You're a commodity to someone else. And you know, if

755
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: you're making me president, the first thing I'm changing is incarceration.

756
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: I got very lucky, bro had. I had a probation

757
00:41:53,600 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: officer that actually cared about how my life is it

758
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: up A couple that being at FAM you and the

759
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: faculty in the stats. So my pops used to teach

760
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: a family, my mama, FAM you my auntie fam you.

761
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: So it was enough.

762
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: Folks in the faculty like a right, we're gonna bring

763
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: you close and hold you close and make sure you

764
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: don't slip up again and get expelled. But I think

765
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: that the idea of recidivism in this country is pretty

766
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 2: non existent. It's all, it's all setting you up, got

767
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: your stuff. So my last year of probation, I was

768
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: in so I stole credit cards when I was in college.

769
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: I know you're thinking cocaine trafficking.

770
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: Nah nah no, no, No, normally credit college kid credit

771
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: cards or phone card. You remember they used to do

772
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: the phone.

773
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: Call MC I collect down down down the center.

774
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: You know.

775
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: I didn't do that because I thought phones was traceable

776
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: and they were recording the calls and they do a

777
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: voice match and catch me. So I knew people who

778
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: was running and shit. So I had a work study

779
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: in the campus post office. I still credit cards out

780
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: the post office. Damn take them to through the mall,

781
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: buy shit, sell it on campus for half price. I

782
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: get caught. And this is to my point about recidivism, right,

783
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: So I had it's too late. I can say it's enough.

784
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: Statute of limitations. So when you're on federal probation. You're

785
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: not supposed to leave the state ever. You leave the

786
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: state for a birth of a child. With the death

787
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: of it, they got like a family tree of here

788
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: the dead people. You can go right bury, mom, grandma, Yeah,

789
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: is that my cousin? No?

790
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

791
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: Stay your ass in Florida. My last my first two

792
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: years of stand up, my PO was like, if you

793
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: come back that night, you can go anywhere you want.

794
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: So I could get away as far as Atlanta and

795
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: get back and get a little travel permit for that

796
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: type of stuff. And then my last year I was

797
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: given this is year three, same year I started doing

798
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: stand up after I got arrested, depressed or whatever.

799
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: And so.

800
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: That third year, I graduate college and I want to

801
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: move back to Birmingham, and he goes, well, if you

802
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: move to Birmingham, you gotta transfer your supervision to the

803
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Birmingham Federal District. You can't stay in the Florida Federal

804
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: District now, mind you. At this point, my PO knows me.

805
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: We got a good rapport. I got a job, I'm

806
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: wearing a golden corral, everything straight. I'm traveling with anywhere

807
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: within eight hours of Tallahassee I'm coming back. You know,

808
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: every two three days, you get a travel permit for

809
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: up to nine days. At that time, I go, cool, well,

810
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 2: I want to move home because I'm done in Tallahassee.

811
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: I called the Birmingham Division to get my probation transfer,

812
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: and I'm explaining to the woman what I am, what

813
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: I do, blah blah blah. Here's how we've been doing

814
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: things in Tallahassee, Sir, I don't give a fuck what's

815
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: being going on down now. You report here and you

816
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: transfer here. You ain't going nowhere but Jefferson County. I'm like, fuck,

817
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: I can't even go to Tuscal looser And she was saying, no,

818
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: you can't. It wouldn't give me a reason. I got

819
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: two years of paperwork that say I'm doing it right.

820
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: Pour into me, Pour into these people. You treat people

821
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: in this country who made a mistake like they're irredeemable,

822
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: so they start acting that way. But if you pour

823
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: into them, you might just get a couple of decent

824
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: folks out of it, and recidivism might actually work. I

825
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: had to stay in Tallahassee another year. Bro In turn,

826
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: I started Ricky Smiley That same year. Ricky leaves the

827
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: radio station in Birmingham. Ricky is like my comedy Olji.

828
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: We both from Birmingham, and Ricky was the first person

829
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: from the Crib to make it in any capacity. So

830
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: you saw Ricky and you go, all right, I can

831
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: do that because he wasn't like Bo Jackson or Charles

832
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: Barkley or I mean Arsenio Hall from around the Way,

833
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: like those people were just such god status. You ain't

834
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: gonna be both. But oh fuck Ricky, Huh, maybe I can.

835
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: I get the internship at ninety five to seven in

836
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 2: Birmingham while I'm still under the supervised probation in Florida,

837
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: which means every nine days I have to drive from

838
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: Birmingham back to Tallahassee to run my piss, to verify residents,

839
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: to do all my regular check ins. So essentially, my

840
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: first year in Birmingham was just a year long visitation

841
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: permit from Florida because a Birmingham district would not give

842
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: me any flex whatsoever. So when I say I'm lucky, man,

843
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: I really do feel that I remember it. Like I

844
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: feel like there's parts of our court system that they

845
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: don't show. They show you cop catching criminal, they show

846
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: your Courtroom TV show. There never been anything on that

847
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: I'd ever seen about probation officers. That's why I was

848
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: trying to do that little comedy sitcom about probation officers,

849
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: because it really is social work to a degree, you know,

850
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: and it's a lot of pos that for no reason

851
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: will violate people who don't deserve to be violated. And

852
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: then at the end of the day, probation is even

853
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: more dangerous because it's your word against a single person

854
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: who may just have a grudge against you today and

855
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: they can go, ah, he was late to work, kein

856
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: serious about employment, your honor. I would recommend that they

857
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: go back to be locked up and then you going

858
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: for whatever the rest of your sentence was supposed to be.

859
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: Just like that.

860
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: They don't, they don't show that part of recidivism in

861
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 2: this country, and it's something that I think would help

862
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: to change the public perception of criminality and the idea

863
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: of making a mistake and then you're redeeming yourself and

864
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: you do it. That's why I talk about it out

865
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: in the open anyway, right because casts needs to know, like,

866
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: your mistake ain't your destination. That's a stop and I

867
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: wish more people would show that and talk about that,

868
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: but they don't. You try to make everybody out to

869
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: be this irredeemable character, and that's how society starts treating

870
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: you after a while, you know. But I I don't know, man,

871
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: I just I was really really blessed. Man, I was

872
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: really blessed because my pops died when I was sixteen,

873
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: and I just started in guidance from just random guardian

874
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: And you know my book, I call it The Man

875
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: of Many Fathers because it just really was random people

876
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: that just dropped in. Yeah, but I wasn't sinking that out.

877
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: It just it happened.

878
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: You have your comedy, you wanted a few and uh Chappelle, Rock,

879
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: Rested Soul, Paul Mooney, Carlin with these could could blend

880
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: politics in comedy and make it a smooth, seamless transition.

881
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: Chappelle is unbelievable at it, Rock is unbelievable at it.

882
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: Mooney and Carlin is unbelieva because you have that gift.

883
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: Did you choose did that aspect of comedy? Did it

884
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: choose you or you chose it?

885
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: I think it chose men.

886
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: Because everybody can't blend that. Everybody can't tie that in

887
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: a nice boat like that.

888
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: Roy I opened for Dick Gregory.

889
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: Oh, Dick Hell, I forgot about him.

890
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, It was a while ago. It

891
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: was at one of the bridge crossing Jubilees and Selma

892
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: Bloody Sunday Memorial, and I just sat on the dais

893
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: and just watched him just oscillate between pain and funny,

894
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: and he kept them distinctly separated until the end. And like,

895
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: just I know, I'll never be able to do that,

896
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: partly because of the era he came up in. His

897
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: scars are different from that. I ain't got no scars

898
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: compared to Dick Gregory's scars. So the reservoir of pain

899
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: from which he was able to mine from and pull from,

900
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: it's deeper, it is more rich. But you know, I

901
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: came up, you know shadow on my pops. You know

902
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: my pops. He was a civil rights journalist and so

903
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: my dad in the forties, in the fifties, he was

904
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: pretty much any radio station. Yeah, I hired at he

905
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: was the first black And he gets to Chicago and

906
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: he co founds with a couple other gentlemen the National

907
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: Black Network, which at its time was the first black

908
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 2: syndicated National News Service, a collective of black reporters all

909
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: pooling their stories together and then sending them out on

910
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: the wire to other radio stations, to other black radio

911
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: stations to air, so that there could be some sort

912
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: of cohesive message and sense of community about stories that

913
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 2: irrelevant to black people. So wait til South Africa, Zimbabwe, Vietnam, anything,

914
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: pretty much like from South Africa and riots in the

915
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: fifties to about Rodney King. My pops covered it. He

916
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: was there with the tape recorder, covered it, did call

917
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: in shows, community of wearing the shows. And so when

918
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: I was when I was a child, I would ride

919
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: with my pops to the radio stations in the morning.

920
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: So my parents didn't get back together untill I was

921
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: in the third grade. So I got sent to Birmingham

922
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: every summer before that, me and my mom were still

923
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: living in Memphis. We weren't even in Birmingham yet, And

924
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: every summer first grade, second I'm with my pops all summer,

925
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: and I'm just shadowing him to speaking engagements and he's

926
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: interviewing Jesse Jackson and Farah Kahn, just sitting and breaking

927
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: bread with all of these you know, deeply rich political

928
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: people and white folks too. He sat down with George,

929
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: the Old George and Daddy Bush way back in the day.

930
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: He interviewed them all.

931
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: And so.

932
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: I remember when I was fifteen, I got a learners

933
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: permit and I used to drive my pops down to Montgomery.

934
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: He had a talk show at Alabama State, and so

935
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: he would do a Saturday morning call and show at

936
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 2: Alabama State, and I would just sit in a cut

937
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: I'm on the game boy, and you think you're not

938
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 2: absorbing this shit, but he's just taking call after call

939
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: from the community and offerings, offering a poolpit for people

940
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: to voice their grievances, allow black people to feel heard

941
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: and seen. And I get to college and I'm like, man,

942
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: I want to be Stuart Scott. I'm gonna talk about

943
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: this every shit, right, because that's all I came up in.

944
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, you live in Birmingham.

945
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: Everything is black. It's a seventy seventy five percent black city.

946
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: School was predominant. Every school I went to was predominantly black.

947
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 2: I went to the black owned Boys and Girls Club,

948
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: I went to the black church, black boys, everything black.

949
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: Then go to black ass fam you everything black. So

950
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: I was like well, I just want to analyze the world.

951
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: But once I hit my thirties, man, and then when

952
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: I had my son switch flip. I don't know what happened,

953
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 2: but you start looking at the world at oh okay

954
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 2: different LYMB Yeah. I mean you also have to remember, man,

955
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: you know my comedy. When I first started, I was nineteen,

956
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: I ain't had shit to talk about. I was talking

957
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: about booked buy back and your roommate eating your food

958
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: and marching band jokes. Nobody. That was my wheelhouse, That's

959
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: what I That was the easiest thing. You write what

960
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: you know. And then as you get earl older and

961
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: you started taking.

962
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: A longer look, you have different experiences.

963
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 2: And then somehow I essentially became my dad. Like this

964
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: is how you but you couldn't help it. This is

965
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: how like entrench. And I've told the story before, but

966
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 2: I'll tell it to you because I'm sure you don't

967
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: know it. Like when I tell you my pops was

968
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: like entrenched in bettering black people. That's all he was

969
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: dedicated to, That's all that mattered to him. One of

970
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: the reporters he hired at wvo N in Chicago was

971
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: a dude named Don Cornelius, and so Don was a

972
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: police officer and he pulls my pops over, and my

973
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: pops trying to get out the ticket, go you got

974
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: a nice voice. I don't know. That's not how I

975
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: would get out of the ticket. That's all I'm gonna say.

976
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: He gives Donna's card. Don heading back a year later,

977
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: and Don started working at the radio station as a reporter,

978
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: and that became Don Cornelius's entry into the world of media.

979
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: At some point in the midst of all of that,

980
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 2: he does his homework on Don Cornelius does his homework

981
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: on television and Dick Clark, and he comes back to

982
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: my pops and a couple of folks and goes, Yo,

983
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: give me a couple of thousand, give me some money.

984
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna shoot a pilot for a show that I

985
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: think could be dope. It's I'm gonna call it. I

986
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 2: call it Soul Trained. Yeah, it's just gonna be Dick

987
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 2: Clark got American dance. Why can't we have black people dancing?

988
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: So my pops was one of the people that gave

989
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: Don Carnelius the front money seed money to shoot sould train.

990
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: Don Cornillius goes shoots Soul Trained Pilot can't sell that.

991
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: Nobody would buy it, nobody aired, he can't put no

992
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: ads on it, so he ain't got his money to

993
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: pay people back. My pops comes to done and he goes, hey, man,

994
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: it's been a minute. When we get my money back,

995
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: and don goes, we'll tell you what instead of giving

996
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: you your money back, why don't I make you one

997
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: of the producing partners and Soul Trained. I think this

998
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: could go a long way, Roy, and I think it's

999
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: gonna be a good investment, and I think it's gonna

1000
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: be something that really changes the culture, to which my

1001
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: father replied, motherfucker, don't nobody want to watch dance for

1002
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:45,479
Speaker 2: an hour? Give me my fucking cash. Don kNs broke

1003
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: your ball. But if your dad had a talk, you wouldn't.

1004
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: But see that if he'd talking about Roy, you wouldn't.

1005
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: If you wouldn't be you wouldn't be Roy. Now I

1006
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: understand that, But I tell that story to prove the

1007
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: point of just how focused my father was on Black America.

1008
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 2: He was. He grew up Atlanta, Georgia in the nineteen thirties.

1009
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: My grandfather, who I never met, got snatched up when

1010
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: my dad was four, never came home again, so you

1011
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: know what that is. Moved to Chicago with his mama,

1012
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: no head of household, no male head of household ever

1013
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: again in his life. So you grew up in the

1014
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: streets like that with a single mom. And then you

1015
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: see every single atrocity that you can name, your friends, murdered, assassinated,

1016
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: people that you broke bread with, people that you covered

1017
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: in the sixties, one of the most trying decades with

1018
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: black folks, heart of the civil rights and then a

1019
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: motherfucker come to you and go, hey, what did black

1020
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: people be dancing?

1021
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: People?

1022
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: They get the out my face. You don't understand what's

1023
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: happening out here. But the truth of the matter is

1024
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: that Soul Train was right on time because black people

1025
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: needed a release. We deserve that. But my pops couldn't

1026
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: see the vision. He couldn't see it because he was

1027
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: just so entrenched in the.

1028
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: Problems your comedy and going back and study. You said

1029
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: something very interesting and I never even thought of it

1030
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: until you said it. You said, nobody gave it damn

1031
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: about the vice president till a female got it, till

1032
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: a woman got the job, and then all of a

1033
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: sudden the vice president, who really is a figurehead. All

1034
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: she does is breaking the time there's a fifty to

1035
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: fifty tie in the Senate, she'll break it. But that's

1036
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: really that's the shove at the middle school. That's really,

1037
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: that's really their only job. Yeah, but now I've never

1038
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: seen a vice president get as much criticism. President Biden

1039
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: is the president, and it seems like everything that he

1040
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: got wrong it was her far and she had to

1041
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: take the run of it.

1042
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a better question for a black woman.

1043
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: But the ones I've talked to have been like, that's

1044
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: what we've been trying to tell you. I don't think that.

1045
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: I don't think Kamala got a fair deal. And she

1046
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: talks about that a little bit in her book I

1047
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: haven't finished it one hundred and seven days. She breaks

1048
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: down the whole run of what happened, you know, like,

1049
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: I don't even think we talked about a vice president.

1050
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: Who's the boy that shot the one in the face? Cheney?

1051
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: Cheney shot somebody in face. He was like, all right,

1052
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: we got to talk about him. Dan Quayle couldn't spell

1053
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: a word back in the eighties, Like alright, got to

1054
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: talk about him. But you know, no, I don't. I

1055
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: don't think that Kamala Harris got I don't think she

1056
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: got a fair deal in her election run, whether you

1057
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: love her or not, whether you voted for or not,

1058
00:59:54,440 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: the idea of hey, motherfuckers, something real quick early y'all

1059
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: gave her.

1060
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: The ball.

1061
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: On her own two yard line with no timeouts.

1062
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: Pull a John l Way, go down the field to

1063
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: get and win the game. And the drive in nineteen

1064
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: eighty six.

1065
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then when you don't, we go your

1066
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: terrible It's all your fault, ain't no no wonder she's

1067
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: been laying low?

1068
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah all this time? Damn did The black said, well,

1069
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: you know when President Trump his first his first term

1070
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: in office, man, the money was flowing. We got them

1071
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: stemens everybody. The unemployment was down. Hey mans up, hey man.

1072
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: We were doing Unless you flipping bitcoin with them, you

1073
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: ain't making no money with Trump right now.

1074
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: But that's what they they said, They said, the black

1075
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Speaker 1: they did so much better under President Trump than they

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Speaker 1: did President.

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Speaker 2: Just an average black boy. Yes, okay, yeah, I could

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Speaker 2: go with that, like I understand that, like that, that

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Speaker 2: just goes back to what I was talking about earlier. Man,

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01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: politics is personal. I give about the world for if

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Speaker 2: I'm hurting, but if somebody broke bread with me when

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Speaker 2: I was down, I ain't gonna never forget that. Think

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: about when you was down and who was there for you,

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01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: and who gave you a dollar, who gave you a

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Speaker 2: bite of a burgers split the pizza witch? Right, there's

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01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: an undying loyalty to people like that that extends well

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Speaker 2: beyond politics, especially with black folks, because most people don't

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Speaker 2: can help us. So I could get why Trump giving

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Speaker 2: you a stemmy.

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Speaker 1: But it was Congress, with Democratic Congress that passed that.

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Speaker 2: I got talking about the facts. Facts. You're talking to

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Speaker 2: me about facts, Trump name on the check.

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Speaker 1: Enough for you.

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Speaker 2: But that goes back to the idea of most people

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: don't want to know truth and facts and information. So

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Speaker 2: if you can figure out a way to attach yourself

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Speaker 2: to the life and they buy it, you won. Yes,

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01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: we got it. Like politics is getting to a place

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01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: where I feel like liberals are constantly trying to well, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not what it was. That's not what there was

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01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: really actually it was. There's no effective way to deliver

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: a will. Actually, you just gotta tell your lie, make

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01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: you a lie bigger than their lie, because that's what's

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Speaker 2: selling right now. But that's not ethical, and I think that,

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01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: and I think, but I think that a lot of

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01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: people still believe that there is a way to win ethically.

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Speaker 2: And I think that if you can win unethically then

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01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: govern ethically, then maybe there's a way to run that back.

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Speaker 2: But the idea, you're not gonna get black folks or

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01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: pull white people to understand. Well, actually, League Congress, if

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01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: you understand the disbursement of checks and how things are

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01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: actually allocate. All I know is that I was broke

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: and somebody in government gave me that money. And the

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01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 2: president is considered the head of government. Therefore the president

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01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: gets credit.

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01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: Period.

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Speaker 2: I don't care that Trump had his signature added, and

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01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: that's the truth. But you're trying to get you're trying

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01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: to permeate people with truth who don't have the time

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Speaker 2: or the patience or the desire. Most of the time,

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01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,479
Speaker 2: we're smart people, we're very smart people. I'm not gonna

1122
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 2: call him dumb, just impatient and you're starving and you're hurting,

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01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: and so you figure out ways to sell a lie.

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Speaker 2: This administration has done a brilliant brilliant like they they've

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01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: shown you the blueprint of how to get people to

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: believe blindly folks saying though, Trump as they getting loaded

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 2: into the ice van, what kind of that's the level

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Speaker 2: of dedication?

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Speaker 1: And four generations of farmers are starting to lose their farm.

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01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: They're going to go belly up because nobody's buying their soybeing,

1131
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: nobody is buying their wheat, nobody is buying their products,

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01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: and they're about to lose because they can't pay for

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: that farm equipment. They can't pay for that first live

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01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: and they don't they have all those crops they can't sell.

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Speaker 2: I think that I will say this if I think

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01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: that I think that both sides stand to gain more

1137
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: of a political advantage by activating passive voters. But you're

1138
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: definitely not gonna flip anybody without empathy. And I think

1139
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: that what we've seen right now in this country over

1140
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: the last year or two, there is no empathy from

1141
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 2: liberals to Republicans. It's very much around and find out,

1142
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: you gathertry desert, don't call black women okay cool? But

1143
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,959
Speaker 2: then the plan, if that's the play, then the plan

1144
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: needs to be how do you activated all the other

1145
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: people who don't believe that the party didn't have a plan.

1146
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: And I think that's the part that that's a solution

1147
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: that nobody's presented. You can't keep writing letters and reprimanding

1148
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: the president, you know, and vice versa. You're not going

1149
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: to get sympathy from Republicans to liberals.

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01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: No.

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01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: I mean Dale hugely said it best when he was

1152
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: talking about how people were there was no sympathy. The

1153
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: way the George Floyd jokes flew in comparison to the

1154
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: way that people were telling jokes about Charlie Kirk. Well,

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: you're never going to get those people. You're never going to.

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01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: Get the Trayvon Martin people. People had had had this

1157
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: tradebar Martin costume, they had the skills and they had

1158
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: this stuff in there.

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01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: It was funny, correct, And so so with everything that

1160
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 2: happened with Charlie Kirk, the expectation of empathy from from

1161
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,439
Speaker 2: liberals from that side, it's a realistic expectation. You may

1162
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: want the empathy, but there are a lot of people

1163
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: who are still forever are gonna feel some kind of way.

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of those feelings people

1165
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 2: are going to carry to their graves and I don't

1166
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: know if there's a policy that any Democrat can flip

1167
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: that's going to that's gonna flip a moderate Republican without

1168
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: losing without losing some liberals because there's a lot more

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01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: morals on the Democratic side. And so when you've got

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01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: morals and you need to let go of some of

1171
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: your morals to rill in some of the Republicans, I

1172
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: think you stand to lose more, you know, Democrats. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a rock and a hard place.

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Speaker 1: Where are you protest?

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01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: I'd go to Canada, but I'm a felon. May be tricked.

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: Every time I go to Canada. I got to fill

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01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 2: out a gang of paperwork and promise I ain't gonna

1178
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: steal nothing. Man, you still do on paper, No, But

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Speaker 2: Canada don't care like Yo. It's a lot of countries

1180
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: where they find out you did dirt. In America, they

1181
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: think that you like the master criminal. They thank you

1182
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: that frenchship from Netflix were looping, Loopine looping. I forget

1183
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: the brothers. I try to use actors' real names because

1184
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: then that's how black people just call you that forever.

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01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, what do I feel on protests?

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01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: Yes, because you see how I think it was Pastor

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01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: Jamal Bryant. He asked, you know, look here says Target

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01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: is getting rid of that DEI don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: Let's not go to their thing, and it's done. It's

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01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: killed their stock. Yeah, so there's still power in the protest.

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01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, there's still power in voting with your dollars. Yes,

1192
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 2: all of this is a form of protests. It's all fiscal.

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01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: That's why any corporation if you look at what Target

1194
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: did during George Floyd and it's like, oh well, we

1195
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: will have the programs and the initiatives, and we will

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01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: hire blacks, and we will study while we are racist,

1197
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: and we will read doctor Ebram x kin d will

1198
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: reach your book, tell me why I'm a racist cracker

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01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 2: xk like. And it wasn't just Target. All of these

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01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: companies made all of these promises and we gonna do

1201
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: the thing, and then an administration came in and said

1202
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 2: we're gonna up your cash if you don't stop fucking

1203
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 2: with them niggas. And then it's a business decision. And

1204
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: it always was because four or five years ago it

1205
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 2: was if you don't show us that you don't care

1206
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 2: about black people, and D and I we gonna up

1207
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: your cash. And now all these these companies, man, they

1208
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 2: getting stuck up from both sides. That's what ABC and

1209
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: Disney dealing with with the Kimmel fiasco. Yeah, if you

1210
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: you better let go of Jimmy Kimmel, or we're gonna

1211
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:58,839
Speaker 2: mess up your merger. Paramount CBS all y'all, y'all aired

1212
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: a clip of me, kind of edited but unedited. All right,

1213
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: well watch this. You're gonna pull that sixteen minutes report

1214
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 2: and you're gonna give me sixteen million dollars or I'm

1215
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: not gonna let your merger go through and I'm up

1216
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 2: your cash. It's all a heightst bro, and I'm not

1217
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: I think the failure we have made as black people's

1218
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 2: thinking that corporations have humanity.

1219
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: You're about I was about to say, morals.

1220
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 2: You can manipulate them, and you can have the upper hand,

1221
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: and you can gain leverage, and you can get what

1222
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: you want, and it can help advance society and make

1223
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 2: make the world a better place. But just know that

1224
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: the only reason they probably did it was because you

1225
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,480
Speaker 2: had the gun to their head. It's not a coincidence.

1226
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: When you look at the increase the depth of Dee

1227
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: and I and the increase of black women unemployment in

1228
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: this country because it's not just necessarily black women that

1229
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: were hired to run whatever DEI initiative for a company,

1230
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 2: but a lot of those black women were hired under

1231
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 2: the guys of this program even though you were perfectly qualified. Yes,

1232
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: we put your hire under this umbrella, with this grant

1233
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: and patre with this initiative instead of just leaving it. Like,

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01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 2: I think that that part of it is. I think

1235
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: protests are effective. I just don't think that we should

1236
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: continue to assume companies to be as quick to cayote

1237
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 2: they're not. Protesting was easier back in the day, Like

1238
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 2: we talk about sit ins and all of that shit.

1239
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: That's because it was just Jimmy's Dina like, yeah, you

1240
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 2: can shut down Jimmy, But to effectively protest something, now.

1241
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got fifteen three, Yeah.

1242
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: And you connected a millionaire. That's why I knew white

1243
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: folks wasn't gonna they was gonna fold on that bud

1244
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 2: Light protest. They were like when bud Light had the

1245
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 2: trans actress, yeah, and they were all, oh, we ain't

1246
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: drinking bud Light. They were shooting the cans and shit,

1247
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: you know how many different liquor brands are run by

1248
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: Anheuser Busch and Bill, it's like twenty twenty or so brand.

1249
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: Are you really that dedicated? You're not. You're not gonna

1250
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: for Did you get the speaking of protests? Did you

1251
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:39,839
Speaker 2: get the the George Zimmerman paper protests email when that happened.

1252
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: I don't have email, so no, I wouldn't have What

1253
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: the fuck? I don't have email. Okay, Jordan has email.

1254
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: My sister had email, So they'll say they text.

1255
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: That's fair. Like Bill Murray. You know Bill Murray just

1256
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: got a phone with answer machine and he checks it

1257
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: every day. Okay, and that's how he it's gigs. No,

1258
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: there was an email. I don't know if this was true,

1259
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: but I got this email. It was supposedly a paper

1260
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: company was funding George Zimmerman's defense fund at the time.

1261
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 2: And we got an email and it said boycott this

1262
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: paper company. And it was like thirty different brands of

1263
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 2: paper and picnic and plates and paps, and I don't

1264
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 2: buy none of this shit. Don't buy none. It was

1265
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 2: like twenty different toilet tissues. And I wanted to reply

1266
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: to the email, Well, how am I gonna wipe my ass? Like,

1267
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 2: what about what you gotta give me? Alternative obsite? I

1268
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 2: say that to say the idea of protesting is something

1269
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: where you have to be much more steadfast than what

1270
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: I think our ancestors had to be, because there's also

1271
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: a serious degree of convenience with a storelin target. I

1272
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 2: live three blocks from a Target in New York City

1273
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: and walked past it and it's like, fuck, I know

1274
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: it's in there.

1275
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do think that protesting is.

1276
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 2: It's still effective. But I do think that there is

1277
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: a degree of I don't want to say a lack

1278
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 2: of unity across our race, but there's definitely people who

1279
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: are just gonna be I'm not with that. I ain't

1280
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: doing that. People forget the Montgomery bus boycott was a year,

1281
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: like it was a long time, Like it wasn't three

1282
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: weeks folded it was carpools and.

1283
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: And the sanitation boycott that they had down there. Yeah,

1284
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: people actually think it like with like a no, it

1285
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: was a long, long period of time.

1286
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 2: Well, that's also because a lot of boycotts now are

1287
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: top of the news cycle and then they fall off

1288
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 2: and nobody else is talking about it after that, but

1289
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, you hope Target does the right thing. There's

1290
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: a lot of companies that have backpedal.

1291
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 1: Let's get to your career dating scene now, because you

1292
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: was once married, we're gonna talk about your.

1293
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: We weren't married, but we moved like we were.

1294
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: Oh you weren't.

1295
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: No, no, but we made we were we were solid,

1296
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: So we moved like that.

1297
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what's the what's the dating scene now? To

1298
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: war roy Wood Junior.

1299
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: Now, I work bro.

1300
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: So in other words, you tried. So that's what you're

1301
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: telling them. I work now because they say, well, you

1302
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: want to if you wanted to find time, you could

1303
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: find time. You find time for your son. That's my son,

1304
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: you know that.

1305
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: What it is?

1306
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: That what they tell you.

1307
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have I have met. I've been blessed. I'm

1308
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: blessed now with the eyesight to know when it is

1309
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 2: a good woman enough met one or two. But I

1310
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 2: also have enough sense to know of what it is

1311
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: I'm trying to build right now. And I think what

1312
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 2: I underestimated and being single again was the idea of

1313
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 2: also quitting my job at the same time. I quit

1314
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: Daily Show around the same time. Yes, and I am

1315
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 2: an order. I was going to do next, and I

1316
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: still have a family to support together or not, we

1317
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: remain a family, We remain a unit. You remain the

1318
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 2: most important person in my ecosystem because you're helping me

1319
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 2: raise the boy. So there's certain things that have to

1320
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 2: be provided for. So yeah, I'm going to work right now.

1321
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: And back to what you were talking about at the

1322
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: top of this, man about the flowers. I can't stop

1323
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 2: to smell them because I gotta keep going. If I stop,

1324
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 2: the wheels come off of all of this. And I

1325
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a pressure that men put on

1326
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 2: themselves unnecessarily, but it don't change the truth.

1327
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: It is because you feel you have a sense of responsibility. Yeah,

1328
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: but it's the truth. People are commonly going, Yeah, absolutely is.

1329
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: So I need to be in a space where I

1330
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 2: can never again be waiting on someone else to choose me,

1331
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 2: which is what happened at the Daily Show. Yes, So

1332
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 2: to get in that space requires a level of focus

1333
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 2: and work. As the industry that I love starts to

1334
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 2: change and crumble. Oh, I'm gonna do Daily Show and

1335
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna get me a late night show. Now

1336
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: no more, you ain't late night show where this is

1337
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 2: the last licks, Jimmy fallon Kimmel them the last licks.

1338
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody else coming in and doing. I don't know

1339
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 2: what's gonna be next, but it ain't gonna be that

1340
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: land seeing in cool. Write a book, cool, sell to

1341
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: TV shows, write a movie. Cool. You just start putting

1342
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: pots on the stove, pots on the stove. I don't know,

1343
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 2: but I can tell you that figuring out taking one

1344
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: off to put in a relationship and not being sure

1345
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: if that's going to work, and knowing that if any

1346
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 2: of these other pots fail, bigger ecosystem that I have

1347
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 2: a higher responsibility to first suffers. Son will never suffer

1348
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 2: my son. He's my only child. So do you go

1349
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 2: be straight? Now? I can't do this alone. But you

1350
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 2: know it's hard when you're grinding man and you're trying

1351
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: to figure out relationships because you almost need someone to

1352
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 2: just merging with you in traffic. This idea of stop

1353
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: and courtship, and it's I've never dated under this degree

1354
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 2: of industry pressure before, and I don't know how to

1355
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: handle it because I don't have anything to recreate last time,

1356
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: Like when I met my son's mother, I was sitcom.

1357
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 2: It just got canceled. I'm on ESPN for free two

1358
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: days a week. Praying at that gig lead me to

1359
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 2: get another college gig. Shout out to Sports Nation and

1360
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 2: Jamail Hill, his and hers, but Moni Jones just to

1361
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: put like just praying one of them three pm ESPN shows.

1362
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: Hit and give you something else. How much of what

1363
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: your father, how your father was to you has rubbed

1364
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: up on you to how you are to your son.

1365
01:18:52,320 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: Not a lot. Maybe maybe how I am women, maybe

1366
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 2: some of that. So for perspective, I'm the ninth of

1367
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 2: my mom's only child. I'm the ninth of eleven kids.

1368
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: So your dad had a lot. Yeah the fucking so

1369
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: is that what called the separation between your dad and

1370
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: your mom?

1371
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 2: And to a degree, I got two younger halfs.

1372
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: You do the math.

1373
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: But I think how my father carried himself professionally was

1374
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: what rubbed off on me. I care about black people.

1375
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 2: I use humor to try and tell our stories and

1376
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 2: to humanize our experiences, to educate people who wouldn't have

1377
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 2: otherwise paid attention to what we're going through, period full stop.

1378
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 2: And if you look at the body of work that

1379
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 2: I've built over the last decade, it would support that

1380
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: thesis where it comes to parenting. House wasn't around a

1381
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 2: lot because he was out working or he was with

1382
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 2: his other family. You know, one of the toughest things

1383
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 2: I had to You know, if you bring it back

1384
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: to the breakup, right, you start thinking about what your

1385
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: responsibility is to your child and how you plan to

1386
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: build him up. What values am I going to give him?

1387
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 2: And one of those things has to be how he

1388
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: treats women. Well, he's going to learn that from seeing

1389
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: how I treat women or how people treat his mother.

1390
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: Whatever that dynamic is, I'm oblivious to it, so I

1391
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: can only be concerned with the time correct with my

1392
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: side of the equation. And the more I looked at love,

1393
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: and the more I looked at how to show my

1394
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: son love of my parents didn't sleep in the same room.

1395
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: Truth of the matter is we in Memphis. I'm wilding out.

1396
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 2: There's no man in the house. My mom reconciled with

1397
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 2: my pops to make sure there was somebody in the

1398
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 2: house to knock my ass out when I started jumping back.

1399
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: And it's changed. Free rent, take the money you saved.

1400
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 2: Put yourself through law school so you can get out

1401
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 2: of this situation. And that's what my mama did. That's

1402
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 2: what my mom worked on. That's what her focus was.

1403
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 2: Grad school, degree, degreed degree. But most nights, my pops

1404
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 2: wasn't home. And so when I started thinking about the

1405
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: life I wanted to construct for my son, and I

1406
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: started thinking about, well, damn, if I'm gonna show him love,

1407
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: where did I see it? What the fuck? What was

1408
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 2: my example of love?

1409
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 1: You had a roof over your head, you had food

1410
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: on the table.

1411
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot of men think that's enough.

1412
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 1: That's how in the black community, that's how.

1413
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 2: We get close on your back, food and your belly,

1414
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 2: roof over your head, what.

1415
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: I paid a coast to beat a boss? Denzel, he

1416
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: told his son that very story.

1417
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: I lived that. And so the more when I had

1418
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 2: my son, the more I reflected on her, the more

1419
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 2: I realized that the best example of love I had

1420
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: was with my pops and and his other woman. It's

1421
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 2: the best example of love. He loved her for whatever

1422
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 2: issues he had with my mom, it was in love.

1423
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 2: But when I really sit and think about how he

1424
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 2: treated that woman, that's who he was out with. He

1425
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: brought you around her to be around my younger brothers.

1426
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1427
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

1428
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: He had how many kids with this other woman to

1429
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: two younger halfs Yeah, so you had to he had

1430
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: to my.

1431
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: Older half siblings. We were never really that cool. We're

1432
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 2: cool now, but in terms of every day seeing them,

1433
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 2: you know, the two youngers, I saw them on the rig,

1434
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 2: on the rag. He scooped me up. My pops will

1435
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 2: scooped me up from soccer practice, go scoop them. We

1436
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: go to dairy Quinton, stuff like that. And so I

1437
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 2: had to call my two younger brothers and talk to

1438
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 2: them about what was lifely. And this is a conversation

1439
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 2: I never wanted to have with them, but I gotta

1440
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: have this conversation if I'm gonna be better to my son. Hey, man,

1441
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 2: walk me through what Pops was like at your crib

1442
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 2: on the nights he didn't.

1443
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: Come, He wasn't with you your mom. What we're going through?

1444
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 2: Damn. And they described a man I never met.

1445
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: So so I don't you got an opportunity see him

1446
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: when he was with your mom. So when they're explaining

1447
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: to you, I mean he was home, he was at

1448
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: the dinner table, he take it home.

1449
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 2: What going to their games? Bro? My god, Pops never

1450
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 2: did that, and.

1451
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: So that man Roy that had to hurt.

1452
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 2: You don't, but you don't unpack it. Imagine being thirty

1453
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: eight in the delivery room unpacking that shit in real

1454
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: time while you holding your newborn. Because these are things

1455
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 2: I've never had to consider. I've never had to consider

1456
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 2: showing him love because I am no kid. But now

1457
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 2: I have a kid, and I go, well, damn, he

1458
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: needs love. Okay, well I am learn. So who did

1459
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 2: I My Aunt JP and Uncle Rick. They love each

1460
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: other really, my aunt like a couple, but I ain't

1461
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 2: around them on the regular. My posse is buried next

1462
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: to that one. She died three years before my dad.

1463
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 2: My dad got his and hers plots, plots, and we

1464
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 2: didn't even know he was being buried next to her

1465
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 2: until we was walking the cast. Get up the hill.

1466
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: That's love. You can be mad about it or you

1467
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 2: can be sad about it, and you can take the

1468
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 2: game and figure out how to apply that to your child.

1469
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 2: A woman he came home to every night, So if

1470
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 2: nothing else, it gives me a blueprint of what I

1471
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: should be looking for and what I should want out

1472
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 2: of a woman, and what I should want within a relationship.

1473
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: She loved his funky drawls, he loved hers, and that

1474
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 2: wasn't the case at our crib. And that's just what

1475
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: it was.

1476
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: When your father passed. Was your mom still alive? Yeah?

1477
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom's still alive right now. So you have

1478
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 2: to look at and I really didn't unpack all of

1479
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: this with my mom, but you have to look at

1480
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: it as as I've looked at it. You're in Memphis,

1481
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 2: you're in law school, or you're in grad school at

1482
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 2: the time. I'm a latchkey kid, bro.

1483
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: We got there.

1484
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: We almost set the apartment complex on fire in the

1485
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 2: third grade and almost got evicted. So I'm wild. So

1486
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 2: you just live with this man and y'all just become

1487
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: roommates and you become whatever Rashelle of yourself to get

1488
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 2: through this knowing that your son at least has the

1489
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 2: check in balance. It's and on the behavior side, it

1490
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 2: was right. It worked. But like one of the hardest

1491
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 2: things I have to do because I follow my two

1492
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: younger brothers like love them, love them to death. I

1493
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: follow them on social Father's Day, Pops' funeral day, Pop's birthday.

1494
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 2: I usually don't go on social on those days because.

1495
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: They're talking about a man that you never knew, never.

1496
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 2: Knew they posting pictures with this man, and these the

1497
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 2: old school polaroids, just got the date at the bottom.

1498
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 2: I can look at the date of the picture and

1499
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 2: tell you whether or not the heat was on at

1500
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: our house because my parents was our again and Pops

1501
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 2: had pulled you know, so the idea that I can't

1502
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 2: even learn what type of father I could be from

1503
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 2: watching through his lens. He was damaged. You were damaged,

1504
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: and you sought comfort through women and sex, and you

1505
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: were superb at your job, top of your game. Correspondence dinner.

1506
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: When I got done, a bunch of black journalists who

1507
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 2: were there at the correspondence dinner came up to me

1508
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: and were telling me about how my pops gave he

1509
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: was They were their first job was working for my dad.

1510
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 2: Five six people, people who used to work at at

1511
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: National Black Network, which eventually became a R and American

1512
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 2: urban radio network. That company exists because of my fucking

1513
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 2: pops and the other people he co founded with. And

1514
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: they came up to shake my hand and to me

1515
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 2: thank you, and like that was a level of respect

1516
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 2: that I don't know if I'll ever do anything as

1517
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 2: valuable as that. So you still you could be mad

1518
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 2: at this man, or you can learn from it, because

1519
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 2: either way you're still gonna be in his shadow. I

1520
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 2: didn't go about roy Wood Junior until he died because

1521
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 2: I knew it fucked with him. So it was the

1522
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,799
Speaker 2: only thing. It was the only thing that I knew

1523
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 2: just fucked with money.

1524
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: Did you what did you think for a second? Roy

1525
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: gave you his name.

1526
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 2: He gave you.

1527
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 1: He didn't give it to the others.

1528
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 2: Give me your time, your name, but the idea of

1529
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: I remember, I came home in the year book, get

1530
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: had roy Wood because your name is roy Wood Junior.

1531
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 2: And I just didn't want to, like, I just hope

1532
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 2: that like people didn't know or would assume that I

1533
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 2: wasn't related. And then when he died, he died my

1534
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 2: senior year of high school, and I was like, all right,

1535
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: I carry it now. I carried a torch.

1536
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: So you did grow up with some level of resentment

1537
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,440
Speaker 1: towards your father.

1538
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 2: A little, but it didn't it came out after I

1539
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 2: had my son, because you start, you have your child,

1540
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 2: bro and then you start thinking about everything you're going

1541
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 2: to do with.

1542
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: Your son that your father didn't do with you, and.

1543
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 2: Then you realize you never did it with you, and

1544
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 2: you're like, damn. The one thing he did give me

1545
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: that I did appreciate. He made sure that I knew

1546
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 2: who he was and what he stood for. And that's

1547
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 2: through being able to shadow him and be around him.

1548
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: But you only get in half of a person when

1549
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 2: they get you at work, when you get your parents

1550
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 2: at work. But I'm grateful for that, and I try

1551
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 2: to do that with my son. You know, I don't

1552
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: take him everywhere. He knows I do comedy, he knows

1553
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm on TV in some capacity, his classmates, parents, telephone

1554
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 2: game gets back to him about his dad is just

1555
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: the thing. But you know, I try to give him

1556
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 2: a degree of space away from all of this, also

1557
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 2: because it's politics and it's funky, and I just don't

1558
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 2: want them be young. You deserve to be young, you know,

1559
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 2: beyond man. But I don't think that resentment gets you anywhere.

1560
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 2: If you have issues with your father, I think you

1561
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 2: literally have to look at who the man was and

1562
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 2: just pick the little pieces get rid of the rest.

1563
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: You're a kid, your mama cook something you didn't really

1564
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: didn't like. If you put stuff in there, you just

1565
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: pick out the pieces. You pick out, You pick out

1566
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 1: the stuff that you like out of the ditch.

1567
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 2: My mama put bell peppers in her tuna, and when

1568
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: I tell you, I used to pick them a little

1569
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 2: bit of she and shitn't mental up?

1570
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 1: Really, my grandmother did that with hamburger. He put onions

1571
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: in the like in the meat. Yeah.

1572
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's why I'm grateful, bro, I'm grateful that

1573
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 2: I had so many men that just that God put

1574
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: in my life that poor knowledge of poor game, be

1575
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 2: it once, be it multiple times like that was. I

1576
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 2: think that's where I really learned how to love. Was

1577
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: like just being in reflection of taking my own experiences

1578
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 2: out of it. When have I seen a man be

1579
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 2: kind and soft with a woman? Okay there, all right,

1580
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: take the note I'm cool. I need to make sure

1581
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 2: I feel that with her and then I can better

1582
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 2: identify with it this is somebody I should be with.

1583
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 2: And that helped it really did. Like I hate to

1584
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 2: say it, but having a conversation with my younger brothers

1585
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 2: it helped me immensely. And being able to of my son.

1586
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: But let me, did you when you talk to when

1587
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: people say you know communication, you know be honesty, be honest,

1588
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: be transparent. When you I don't know if you did

1589
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: or you didn't, when you talk to your uncle or

1590
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: you saw people that had been married and that had

1591
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 1: been in love, does that better help you understand or

1592
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: paint a picture of what you should be looking for

1593
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: and a and a mate that you could potentially be

1594
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: your wife.

1595
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: My uncle, my uncle Derek, he lost his wife. This

1596
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,799
Speaker 2: was in the eighties, drunk driver. He heard the crash

1597
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 2: from his house and it devastated him. And I remember

1598
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: going to my aunt Mary's funeral and seeing my uncle

1599
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 2: cry over the casket and he had you know, he

1600
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 2: had a He had about a five ten year stretch

1601
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 2: after that because he's also ex military, dropping some PTSD

1602
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 2: in that mix along with grieving as a widower. He

1603
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 2: had a rough stretch. Yes, I just say that he had.

1604
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: He had a really rough stretch that he came out of.

1605
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 2: And seeing what he became without her helped me understand

1606
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 2: what she was to him. That's love. And I think

1607
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:22,919
Speaker 2: through those painful moments, you're able to mind something that's beautiful. Man.

1608
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, we all wish we could have

1609
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 2: got a better hand with our parents. I don't care

1610
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: what kind of parents you got. You wish there was

1611
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: more of this or more that. But you know what

1612
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 2: really helped me was going on finding your roots and

1613
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 2: learning so much new information about my dad and the

1614
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 2: idea that oh, I get it. You lost your dad.

1615
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 2: You ain't had no game. Nobody gave you game. I

1616
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 2: was about to say, then then you get a debilitative

1617
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 2: injury in high school. My pops got hit by a

1618
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 2: car chasing behind the girl that just broke up with

1619
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 2: hip replacements the rest of his life, walk with a

1620
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 2: limp the rest of his life. How do you think

1621
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 2: that informed his opinion of women? What you think walking

1622
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: with a limp did to his confidence for the rest

1623
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: of his life and how he viewed women. I don't know.

1624
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's a lot of questions that

1625
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 2: are just that will forever be unanswered because most of

1626
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 2: the people that can answer him from his side are dead.

1627
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask you, I was gonna like,

1628
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: because a lot of times we learned how to love

1629
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 1: through how we were loved. You know your dad, And

1630
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, I said, did you ever

1631
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: talk to you ever? Did you ever ask your dad?

1632
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: How was his father to him, your grandfather to him,

1633
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 1: and so forth and so on. So it would probably

1634
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: give you a better picture of how but you just like,

1635
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know a whole lot about

1636
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: this fatherhood. I just know I want to be a

1637
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 1: better dad to my son than what my father was.

1638
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 2: That's it.

1639
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't know how this thing gonna shape out,

1640
01:34:59,000 --> 01:34:59,600
Speaker 1: but I did know.

1641
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 2: That I'll start with that base level thing. I will

1642
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 2: be present and I will you know, And and for

1643
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 2: the life of my relationship with his mother, you know,

1644
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 2: it was I was gone, Like when I traveled, Hey,

1645
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I got to go, but I would explain

1646
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 2: why I'm going, where I'm going, what I'm doing, And

1647
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 2: I still do that to this day, even when we

1648
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 2: broke up, Set him down, walk them through. Hey, here's

1649
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 2: what's happening with that. Just so you know, me and

1650
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 2: her ain't got nothing to do with me and you.

1651
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 2: Everybody's still good, cool, And but.

1652
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 1: That was a lot. That's heavy. You got a new born,

1653
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 1: you quit the job, and you just broke up with

1654
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: the mother of your child. That's a lot going on.

1655
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 2: Well, he's about six or seven at the time of

1656
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 2: the breakup. But it's still a lot, yes, And so

1657
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 2: there is a pressure in his life. There's a pressure

1658
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 2: of providing that. I don't think men talk about enough,

1659
01:35:55,800 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 2: and I don't think women necessarily I'm wonna say, don't care.

1660
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 2: But they have their own battles as well. They got

1661
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 2: their own workplace challenges as well. So I understand you

1662
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 2: got your issues, but I'm over here fighting this fire

1663
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 2: over here. Good luck with your fire. I think that

1664
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 2: I remember some nights watching my son's sleep when he

1665
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 2: was younger, and I would be up at night and

1666
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 2: just be walking around the house and to that flower

1667
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 2: moment where it's like, I live in New York City, Bro,

1668
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 2: I live in New York City. I have a solid job.

1669
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 2: My family is fed, they're sleeping safe. I remember when

1670
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 2: I came to New York in nineteen ninety nine and

1671
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 2: I was here for three days and I could only

1672
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 2: afford one meal because I needed the rest of the

1673
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 2: money for tolls to get back down Alabama, praying that

1674
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 2: somebody at the comedy club would offer me a wing

1675
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 2: or a fry so I could eat that day. And

1676
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 2: now I'm in this city. I got furniture, I got

1677
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 2: a job. My picture on phone boves I got an

1678
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 2: hour special coming out, and I'm watching my son sleep

1679
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 2: peacefully with none of the cares that I had. And

1680
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 2: it lasts for about twenty seconds, and then the next

1681
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 2: start is half of am I going to keep this

1682
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 2: all together? And that's the impulse that drives me. That's

1683
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 2: the impulse that gives you everything you read at the

1684
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 2: top of the show on my intro, And I don't

1685
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 2: know if that's for better or for work.

1686
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 1: No. I sell for the same thing because I can't

1687
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: turn my mind off.

1688
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 2: I wake up immediately and there's twenty ways this could

1689
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 2: go wrong, this thirty ways this other thing could go wrong.

1690
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 2: But if I can control it and be in charge

1691
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 2: of it, I realize what I lack is control. I'm

1692
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 2: a control freak to a degree. I need opportunities that

1693
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 2: are that aboard you, that that'll afford me that. I'm

1694
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 2: thankful for seeing that. But it is a network all

1695
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 2: TV shows in one day. It will hopefully I'll see

1696
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 2: it coming or I'll have time. But in case I.

1697
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 1: Don't, you have something already. You've already got a book

1698
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: Garden Planet and something else is about this.

1699
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 2: Let me get this YouTube shit straight. For twenty twenty six,

1700
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 2: I already know what I want to do. Get this

1701
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 2: book right, sell that book, get a script on that,

1702
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 2: and that way I know my son can continue to

1703
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 2: sleep comfortably. That drives me, and I know some people

1704
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 2: will consider that unhealthy. But if it's gotten you more

1705
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 2: successful every year than the year before since nineteen ninety eight,

1706
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 2: doing something right, doing something right?

1707
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: What have you learned about.

1708
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 2: Money that it's just money, It's not gonna make you happy.

1709
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 2: There's definitely a peace of mind you need to have

1710
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 2: with it. I'm probably a little reckless, but I think

1711
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 2: my recklessness comes from stupid shit uber and when I

1712
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 2: could have walked, Yeah, it's like eight blocks and it's

1713
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 2: I don't feel like it. They come get me.

1714
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:48,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to call.

1715
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, but I don't. I don't have a lot

1716
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 2: of vices in that regard, Like even with women. It's

1717
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 2: not like I'm spending a bunch of money on a

1718
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 2: million dates and going to exact locations and ship like that.

1719
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't wear jewelry. I get nice sneakers. Hulu paid

1720
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 2: for these bodies. You're crazy. Now when I get an

1721
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 2: hour special, they allocate money for wardrobe. I spend it

1722
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 2: all on the shoe. Ankle up, I got it. It's

1723
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 2: already in the closet.

1724
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: I know what. I'm aware.

1725
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 2: But the shoe, you're gonna pay for that, So I don't.

1726
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 2: You know. My relationship with money is. I would say

1727
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 2: it's it's decent. I'm not rich in the least, but

1728
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:46,759
Speaker 2: I'm blessed. And you know, I am the family member

1729
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:48,719
Speaker 2: that family members call.

1730
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: Responsibility.

1731
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 2: Though it's a blessing and a curse.

1732
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: It is. But I've always wanted me. I've always wanted

1733
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: that I was the and my brother had a serious injury,

1734
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 1: and so I took on the responsibility. And I remember

1735
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: telling my grandmother on her death bed that I got it.

1736
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: My sister and my sister. My sister's here right now,

1737
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: and she had a conversation with me. She was telling

1738
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: I had this conversation with my grandmother in June. My

1739
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: sister had the very conversation with my grandmother in April.

1740
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it until she told me. She said, Shannon, Grannie,

1741
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: like one of my cousins, was in the room and

1742
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 1: she asked my grandmother and what's going She said, hey,

1743
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe what's wrong? And my grandmother said I'm dying and

1744
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave y'all. My sister said, Granny,

1745
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: it's okay for you to go. I'm gonna be okay.

1746
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 1: Spanky's gonna be okay. To my brother, Shannon's gonna be okay.

1747
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: Shannon's gonna make sure mama's okay. Everything's gonna be taken

1748
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 1: care of. I didn't know Roy. My sister had this

1749
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 1: conversation with my grandmother in April. I come back along

1750
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: in June. The guy's doing report a story because I'm

1751
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,679
Speaker 1: going into the Hall of Fame that August, so he's following.

1752
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,599
Speaker 1: He's following me around. We go to the old house,

1753
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 1: we go to the old high school. When we get

1754
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: back to the nursing home, the retirement facility, my grandmother

1755
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: is crying uncontrollably. So I stopped the guy and I

1756
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: go in and she's crying and I hold in my

1757
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 1: arm that I look at it. I said, granted, I said,

1758
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 1: so I already knew what it was. I said, Grant,

1759
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,599
Speaker 1: it's okay. I got it. I said, you and Papa,

1760
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 1: y'all did what y'all was supposed to do. I got Libby,

1761
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: I got Spanky, and I got mama, don't even worry

1762
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 1: about it. A week later, Roy she was gone. She

1763
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 1: needed her baby to tell her that he had it.

1764
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: Once I told her, I let her my be at ease.

1765
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 1: My sister called me. She says, shut up, she's gone.

1766
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I said, for real, Libby, She said, yep. She told

1767
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: my sister and my mom, because my sister would go

1768
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:11,520
Speaker 1: up there every day, theater bather. That's not a responsibility.

1769
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 1: My sister did that for two years. Every single day.

1770
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 1: We go up there. Make sure she ate a food,

1771
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 1: make sure you had a change your clothes, do everything.

1772
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 4: Stay on top of them folks. About five o'clock, my

1773
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 4: grandma said, Libby, you and you and you and Alice,

1774
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 4: y'all go. That's my mom, Mary, Alice name nothing, Mama.

1775
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 4: She said, y'all go home.

1776
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 1: Man.

1777
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 2: I can't.

1778
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: I can't get no rest with y'all here. She sent

1779
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 1: him home, probably around five five thirty. They called my

1780
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:43,639
Speaker 1: sister six.

1781
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 2: That was it, Libby. It's Mary gone.

1782
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 1: Man. So to hear you say that, the responsibility of

1783
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: your siblings and the family, you're who they call. I

1784
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: know it. That's like I've lived that life for the

1785
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 1: last thirty years.

1786
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 2: My only beef is that. And I understand this because

1787
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 2: my mom used to think I was sleep but I

1788
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 2: could listen to her making the money calls at night. Hey,

1789
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 2: girl's choice. I wouldn't call you if I needed blah

1790
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 2: blah blah. So I understand the courage it takes to

1791
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 2: admit you need help. But nigga, don't wait until the tow.

1792
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 1: Truck Isn't you know he got it. He gotta have

1793
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: to know.

1794
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 2: You old on the fucking car for two months, Nigga.

1795
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:40,639
Speaker 2: Now the tow truck is outside, and now I'm trying

1796
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 2: to venmo a named Keith. Yeah, just like, hey, gay,

1797
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 2: the toad he out here right now. He want to

1798
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 2: talk to you. What do you want to talk to

1799
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,560
Speaker 2: me about it? And now he got my car. Meanwhile,

1800
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 2: I'm on the phone with you. And then if somebody

1801
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 2: took it to me, you got three minutes. We're gonna

1802
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 2: add that. The shot is live in three minutes. Come

1803
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 2: on back over to this set. I may work, and

1804
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, literally then more. There's times on The Daily

1805
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 2: Show where I've just said, have vienmo and put well, yes, Trevor, Noah,

1806
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's going on with the Republicans. Like

1807
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 2: that part of it I don't like, but I understand

1808
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 2: where the hesitancy comes from. I wish, man, I wish

1809
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 2: i'd have had that like luxury of that like last

1810
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 2: conversation because prost take cancers? What took my pops and

1811
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 2: my pops when you're sixteen, you don't even know what

1812
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be asking, bro, and cancer, like the

1813
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 2: last year of cancer is just such a nasty, terrible thing.

1814
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 2: My post became very mean, like very I'm just angry,

1815
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 2: which I just wrote on I ain't take offense to it.

1816
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 2: I didn't do shit to you today. You just snapping,

1817
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:01,200
Speaker 2: all right, I guess whatever.

1818
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:03,640
Speaker 1: I remember.

1819
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 2: The last conversation I have with my dad. I remember

1820
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 2: he watched Jeopardy. That was always we'd watch Jeopardy. My

1821
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 2: pops will watch local news because he was mentoring a

1822
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 2: lot of the anchors on the local affiliates. So he

1823
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 2: will watch everybody's anchoring and then call them and give

1824
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:33,640
Speaker 2: them critiques or whatever. Yeah, give them feedback at the feedback.

1825
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 2: We watched Jeopardy. And we're watching Jeopardy, and I make

1826
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 2: him a baked potato and I give it to him.

1827
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:45,679
Speaker 2: Takes a nibble after about an hour, he give it back.

1828
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 2: He ain't really touched the appetite though, and he looks

1829
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 2: at it. He looks at me, and he goes, I did,

1830
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 2: all right, didn't I? And I look at the baked potato, like, yeah,

1831
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:55,960
Speaker 2: you did? All right? You know I'm lying, but all right.

1832
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 2: Next day I come home. He's in hospice and my

1833
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 2: older brother's crib and so, you know, for the most part,

1834
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 2: I lived my life after that. I didn't go visit

1835
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 2: him every day because it's hospice, and a lot of

1836
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 2: the time in the hospital, when I was there, it

1837
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 2: would be a lot of the other women. So if

1838
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 2: my mom's was there and then it's some side chick,

1839
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 2: that's weird, you know what I'm saying. So I would

1840
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 2: go solo, and that became weird. About a month later,

1841
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 2: he dies and we're at the funeral and we're walking

1842
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 2: away from Nick. We were leaving the bear, we're going

1843
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 2: back to the limos or whatever, and my older sister, Brenda,

1844
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 2: she comes up to me as we're walking down the

1845
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 2: hill and she's like, of all my siblings, all my

1846
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 2: half siblings, she's like the most spiritual and she's just

1847
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 2: some God and the scripture says, you know daddy loved you,

1848
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 2: and I know you may not have always fucked up,

1849
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 2: but Daddy loved you, and no matter what, just remember

1850
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 2: he did the best he could. And that shit hit

1851
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:19,240
Speaker 2: me like a fucking I'm Matt Trump, bro. Like he

1852
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 2: asked me, I did all right. He wasn't asking about

1853
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 2: the baked potato. He was asking me how he did

1854
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 2: raising me. And I missed the fucking window. Bro. Not

1855
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 2: only did I missed the window, I told him he

1856
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 2: did all right, because he probably thought I was talking

1857
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 2: about how he raised me. I was talking about the

1858
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:42,919
Speaker 2: baked potato.

1859
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 1: And so had you had that wind up the window

1860
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: that he that he left open, had you knew, what

1861
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: would you have told him?

1862
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I wouldn't have let him off

1863
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 2: the hook.

1864
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: Like that, even in the situation, the tradition he was in.

1865
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 2: There's a soft way. Well it's not even a criticize.

1866
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 2: It's more questions than anything. I never thought about that,

1867
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,759
Speaker 2: I said, Damn. I never thought about what I would

1868
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 2: have asked or what I would have said. I don't

1869
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 2: think I had the wherewithal or the scope of knowledge.

1870
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, I'm born, my parents are separated. I'm

1871
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 2: born in New York. My parents are separated. Within a year,

1872
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 2: my mom moves to Mississippi. My whole mama side from Clarksdale,

1873
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,720
Speaker 2: so she moved to Memphis to go to school and

1874
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:41,679
Speaker 2: be close. So she got the babysitter network with her siblings, right.

1875
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 2: So I grew up never knowing my father other than

1876
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 2: the dude who come to visit once a month and

1877
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 2: I go see him for a month in the summer

1878
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 2: through third grade. So the idea of a father was

1879
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 2: just these nigga's a guest star in me and my

1880
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:01,560
Speaker 2: mama sitcom and my mama to start. Daddy just a

1881
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:03,719
Speaker 2: neighbor who come in and wave from time to time.

1882
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 2: Then when we move in together in Birmingham, y'all don't

1883
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,680
Speaker 2: really sleep. Y'all in the same room. We don't do

1884
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 2: any family functions other than breakfast on Sunday. Breakfast was sacred,

1885
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 2: but outside of that, you're not home. Everybody work different schedules.

1886
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 2: He's a morning radio man. He gone before I'm up

1887
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 2: for school and by the time I come home from school,

1888
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 2: he back out at night to do his jazz show

1889
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 2: and then to hit the bars and you know, socialize

1890
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 2: hit the lounges and all and drink.

1891
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 1: Some of it.

1892
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:34,800
Speaker 2: You're like he out there right. So we never kept

1893
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 2: the same clock. So I'm not even crossing you in

1894
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 2: the hallway for you to give me game, just off

1895
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 2: the nature of our schedules. So you take something like that,

1896
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 2: and then it becomes all need to be around more

1897
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 2: because I've learned and like I tried doing like mentorship

1898
01:50:56,120 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 2: programs and stuff. It's not the right person literacy sports.

1899
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 2: I'll give money to mentor because what I found, at

1900
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 2: least what I believe, is that male guidance. It's these

1901
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 2: microscopic moments that happen. It's not a full three four

1902
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 2: hour day. Let's go bowling, let's go where you might

1903
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:23,719
Speaker 2: ask something or not. You just have to be around.

1904
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 2: And then the moment your child shows a window of

1905
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 2: wanting some knowledge to jump in. And so the weeks

1906
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 2: I have my son, I schedule my life differently. We

1907
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,639
Speaker 2: getting that meal. I might go back out in these

1908
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 2: clubs and tell my jokes tonight, but first set, it's

1909
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 2: not gonna be till nine, because I want you into

1910
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 2: bed eight thirty and we're gonna talk. Baby. Sit pull

1911
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 2: up eight twenty five I'm out the door, but the

1912
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 2: idea of just not being around as much as I can,

1913
01:51:55,800 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to fight that, bro, because I don't want

1914
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 2: to be a guest star in his fucking sitcom. That's

1915
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 2: my biggest fear with my son is that I become

1916
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 2: the dude that's always gone, oh, we provided, and then

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Speaker 2: he the one sitting here with you talking about motherfucker.

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Speaker 2: I won't at the time. So the only way to

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Speaker 2: create that is to work like a psychopath at building

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Speaker 2: something from the ground up for yourself that you control

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Speaker 2: that is not susceptible to corporate mergers, that's not susceptible

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Speaker 2: to an administration leaning on your supervisors getting them to

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Speaker 2: fire you. That takes time. So I'm sorry, I can't

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Speaker 2: go on the date you want me to go on

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Speaker 2: with you, or I can't be present in the way

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Speaker 2: you want because this is paramount right now. It won't

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Speaker 2: always be that way, but that's what is because I

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Speaker 2: know on the other side of this is growth and freedom, man,

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Speaker 2: and I know I can do that.

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Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

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Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

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Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on just

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Speaker 1: simply go back to club Shay profile and I'll see

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Speaker 1: you there