Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone. You are listening
Speaker 1: to Stradio Lab. We are in New York City live
Speaker 1: from Times Square. George still reeling.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to speak.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Josh is being silenced. He said something poetic right
Speaker 1: before we started recording, and I said, not on my watch.
Speaker 2: I actually am. It's like one of the most beautiful
Speaker 2: things I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Do you want to say what it was?
Speaker 2: I said, you know, we're getting prepared. Usually we'd explained
Speaker 2: the podcast of the guests. This time, none of them
Speaker 2: have ever listened. Sorry. I just had a moment in
Speaker 2: the middle of that sentence where I remembered I'm being recorded.
Speaker 1: Do you ever?
Speaker 2: I was just like I was truly on autopilot. I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, I should like try to be
Speaker 2: charming anyway. So I'm Andy Cohen and welcome to watch
Speaker 2: what Happens live?
Speaker 1: Or this is not how you act? What the hell whatever?
Speaker 1: Keep going?
Speaker 2: So I would say, I said, you know, I said
Speaker 2: to Josh, you know, you know the drill, like you
Speaker 2: know how this works. And Josh said, oh, I know
Speaker 2: the drill. The drill is a warm bath. The drill
Speaker 2: is a warm drill, and then, of course Josh wisely
Speaker 2: said that apples that's the title of Fiona Apple song.
Speaker 2: And here we are and here we are.
Speaker 1: So now that we've covered.
Speaker 3: That, what I think is, can I say something briefly, fine,
Speaker 3: so the listener remember in one thing and I'm done.
Speaker 3: Remember to the listener. Every beginning to you is actually
Speaker 3: in media stress to us, like you are seeing your hosts,
Speaker 3: your friends in the middle of something, and that is
Speaker 3: keep in throwing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never done, I'm not going through. People don't
Speaker 1: give us enough credit for when we say podcast starts now,
Speaker 1: it actually started ten minutes before that.
Speaker 2: People don't give us enough credit for pretty much most
Speaker 2: things that we do. People don't realize that everything we
Speaker 2: do is an insurmountable mountain that we are in the
Speaker 2: middle of, bleeding from all holes and trying to climb.
Speaker 2: And at the peak it says, I heart music.
Speaker 1: I have to say that this run of recordings we
Speaker 1: have been, you know, it has I'm like, oh, is
Speaker 1: this what it's like to be Julia Roberts. You know,
Speaker 1: it's sort of like that like club Club Another Club,
Speaker 1: Airplane air.
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts famously Club Club Another Airplane's doing the midnight
Speaker 2: DJ set, she is going to the gay bar, she's
Speaker 2: performing at Fort Lauderdale Pride.
Speaker 1: I'm mixing metaphors and that's okay.
Speaker 2: What if they book Julia Roberts at Fort Lauderdale Pride
Speaker 2: and she did like the monologue from Pretty Women that
Speaker 2: but it was never explained.
Speaker 1: We actually need to talk about do gay guys care
Speaker 1: about Julia Roberts at all? What the hell? It's a
Speaker 1: valid question. I think she is not disrespected enough actually
Speaker 1: identity for gay guys to actually care that much.
Speaker 2: Visit.
Speaker 1: You are so right.
Speaker 2: She has never had an underdog narrative. Yeah, she she
Speaker 2: has been that girl from the beginning.
Speaker 1: So everyone's like, yeah, she's good, like she's beautiful, she's amazing,
Speaker 1: But there's not that emotional.
Speaker 2: No gay guy is saying, my favorite actress is Julia Roberts,
Speaker 2: even though of course when push comes to shove, she
Speaker 2: is one of the great American actresses.
Speaker 3: You know what they're saying, this will be brief, and
Speaker 3: then I'm okay, Josh, they're saying Aaron Brockovich is my
Speaker 3: favorite actress. They're not saying Julia Robert says.
Speaker 1: Because Aaron Brockwick is an Underdog.
Speaker 2: Thank Aaron.
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm done. I won't talk. We can hate
Speaker 1: our guest today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like so annoyed.
Speaker 1: It's like we like, so what what What our listeners
Speaker 1: will understand is that the podcast actually starts tending this before.
Speaker 1: And what our guest doesn't understand is actually it started
Speaker 1: like way before he even got here.
Speaker 2: Like you think you're the third co host.
Speaker 3: You think you're just like just to sit here, to cook,
Speaker 3: to cut one to It's like I should get to
Speaker 3: come in at that point, but I just think, give me,
Speaker 3: let me key grip or something.
Speaker 2: You're ignoring the like do you want to check the shots?
Speaker 3: I would love to. I love to checking the gate.
Speaker 3: I die to check the gate.
Speaker 2: I think I do think there is something very particular
Speaker 2: about not having a role, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like being in a liminal space between roles. Before we
Speaker 2: started recording, you were the role of friend. When we
Speaker 2: introduce you, you will be in the role of guest.
Speaker 2: Right now you are nothing nothing.
Speaker 1: But is that sort of sensory deprivation in a way,
Speaker 1: like are you finally free?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's free, Well it's free, but in another sense,
Speaker 3: you keep fighting in a subspace.
Speaker 2: If you were actually trying to touch me, if you're
Speaker 2: actually feeling liberated, you would be basking in the silence.
Speaker 2: But I can see you wanting so badly to have
Speaker 2: a different role.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's he's asking for us to say?
Speaker 3: No, Piggy, I hope I've never brought in. Quite frankly,
Speaker 3: I think perhaps the whole episode exists in this.
Speaker 2: You know, we used to have the We used to
Speaker 2: have the brave read, the hutzpah and the punk rock
Speaker 2: sensibility to do that. Josh, what happened to our punk
Speaker 2: rock sinsibility?
Speaker 1: What? No?
Speaker 2: Because as soon as you said that, I went up
Speaker 2: with the iHeart Literally as soon as you said we
Speaker 2: should do the entire episode like that, my instinct was like, well,
Speaker 2: we can't. We should bring him in soon. Whereas if
Speaker 2: this was twenty twenty, if this was May twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: I would be like, that is so fucking badass, Like.
Speaker 1: Let's do it something really funny.
Speaker 2: Never introduced a topic. Never promote what you're here to
Speaker 2: promote exactly, which I'm not gonna say, no.
Speaker 3: Nora, I'm not on yet.
Speaker 1: Well, and why would we promote when our guest doesn't
Speaker 1: even hear.
Speaker 3: I'm not here, I'm not on, I don't exist.
Speaker 2: What were you gonna say?
Speaker 1: Last night, somebody said they'd been listening to us since
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and I was like, well, darling, we haven't
Speaker 1: been on since twenty We started in twenty twenty. Time
Speaker 1: is a flash.
Speaker 2: Well there is something about all right, all right.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty was just twenty sixteen again, yeah, and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four is just twenty sixteen again, Like we're just
Speaker 1: doing twenty sixteen. Hon over, it's gone a holl day
Speaker 1: but for twenty sixteen. But twenty sixteen drag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's finish.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's time to to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: What do you make of this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh, be careful, Please be careful.
Speaker 1: That was hard to set up.
Speaker 2: So for anyone who's not watching on YouTube, where our
Speaker 2: numbers are plummeting, by the way, what Josh just did is, well, they.
Speaker 1: Can't plumb because they were never high.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, they were never high because we never promoted it,
Speaker 2: because we are sort of above it, and yet it's
Speaker 2: out there, and yet it's out there. So what Josh
Speaker 2: did for anyone not watching is he took the mic
Speaker 2: and actually physically moved it away from himself, so that
Speaker 2: even if he's tempted to participate in the conversation, he
Speaker 2: can't physically. So now he's sort of evoking a kind
Speaker 2: of meditation state that is actually it's actually being so
Speaker 2: jittery that it's almost like an argument against meditation.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like, oh damn, this guy really can't
Speaker 1: sit still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh my god, is he okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They don't let him is a hard no self
Speaker 1: harm incoming. I think we should bring in our guests. Please,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show, our dear friend and whose show
Speaker 1: is having a run Josh. By the time this is out,
Speaker 1: you will know all about it.
Speaker 3: You'll be all over www dot Josh sharp todaw dot
Speaker 3: com the site absolutely and where is it until all
Speaker 3: the time it's on the internet?
Speaker 2: Sweetheart? Where is where the show at.
Speaker 3: The Greenwich House? Some me all know what is the
Speaker 3: Barrow Street? Sweeney Todd in the Pie Shop, But it's
Speaker 3: at the Greenwich House Theater and beautiful West Village and
Speaker 3: locks And you're playing Stonewall, playing Sweeney, I'm playing Sweeney yeah,
Speaker 3: and missus Lovett and rap.
Speaker 2: You're playing just to be clear. This is one of
Speaker 2: those you know, like John Proctor is the villain and Juliet.
Speaker 2: This is one of these contemporary reboots of a classic
Speaker 2: musical that is the hero. Yes, Like it's more kind
Speaker 2: of like woke and LGBT. Right, So it's about.
Speaker 3: How a right to end at tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no Q.
Speaker 2: There's no I know, can.
Speaker 1: I actually be an issue with Q?
Speaker 2: Oh? Is your issue is a queer or is a question?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, but here's okay queer, right, but sometimes it's questioning.
Speaker 2: But this, I'm sorry, this instinct is so anti Q,
Speaker 2: Like Q is this all encompassing thing that is like
Speaker 2: what isn't Q?
Speaker 1: But Q being questioning? It's like I'm questioning if I'm
Speaker 1: even Q. Like that's such a crazy meta narrator.
Speaker 3: Show me someone who isn't question exactly if any of
Speaker 3: the letters and you're not Q questioning you haven't seen
Speaker 3: the matrix yet. Yeah, the point of being under the
Speaker 3: umbrellas that we see the matrix.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like the implication that if you're LGB or
Speaker 2: T you have this certitude. Yeah you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm firmly B, I'm firmly G. It's like, no, you're not.
Speaker 1: The Q is like underneath all of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's the bedrock. It's the bedrock, Honey, it's
Speaker 3: the bedrock. Q is to be queer, which is to
Speaker 3: be LGBT.
Speaker 1: I M plus.
Speaker 2: You know, the question is the bedrock. The question is
Speaker 2: the bedrock. The drill is a warm bath lead single,
Speaker 2: The question is the bedrock, Josh.
Speaker 1: I have a question. I have a queue. When it
Speaker 1: comes to to.
Speaker 3: Rock me, bitch, go ahead and bed rock me up
Speaker 3: and down.
Speaker 1: I'm just a rock your damn bed with this one.
Speaker 1: Let's go insert. I can make your bedrock here. I
Speaker 1: you know, the punk ok sensibility is of course complicated
Speaker 1: because at this point you are trying to promote a
Speaker 1: show that actually you have been working on. It actually
Speaker 1: does have a week's long run and the months even months,
Speaker 1: which is one of the longest weeks we have, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, And so it's sort of I
Speaker 1: feel sort of mixed. I'm doing a bit about the
Speaker 1: show and sort of misleading. No bits only, bits only.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care, we can.
Speaker 2: Do whatever, but you want to sell no tickets.
Speaker 3: I want to sell it. I think the bits sell
Speaker 3: the tickets.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's one of.
Speaker 2: The well, but only if you then follow up with
Speaker 2: what the show is like.
Speaker 1: You're not craving a like. But seriously, the shows about
Speaker 1: this and this and this. I think they want that
Speaker 1: your people. I don't fucking know what they want. We
Speaker 1: want our audience thinks we started in twenty sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're dealing with mentally. They're saying, get that orange
Speaker 2: cheeto out of the way.
Speaker 1: They're saying, get that cheat out.
Speaker 3: Pants suit Nation Rise saying, hey at pants suit Nation.
Speaker 2: I just discovered the podcast Stradio Lab These It's really
Speaker 2: amazing LGBTQ plus guys and they talk about politics, media,
Speaker 2: cultural criticism.
Speaker 1: They would not have.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 2: If you think we need to get this orange cheeto
Speaker 2: out of the way, it has you better give it
Speaker 2: a look.
Speaker 1: Like subscribe, like and subscribe. No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't have a strong feeling I feel.
Speaker 2: I I highly doubt that.
Speaker 3: I feel like we will talk as we or I
Speaker 3: guess the strong feeling is that we will talk as
Speaker 3: we That like for us to do a sort of
Speaker 3: you know, if we naturally do what's the show about?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 1: If we don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure they're gonna get it.
Speaker 3: They're gonna go to joshup to do dot com no
Speaker 3: matter what and find out what it is. But I
Speaker 3: guess canonically it's the off Broadway one man show that
Speaker 3: so many of our our peers and ancestors have done
Speaker 3: before us.
Speaker 1: You are stepping into a rich tradition.
Speaker 3: It's my iteration on that, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And there's a bit of a Medican seat within it,
Speaker 3: so that it's not just me, you know, into the
Speaker 3: microphone for eighty minutes that doesn't and yet that is
Speaker 3: valid too. And I love some of those Ye for
Speaker 3: me and my own punk cruck sensibility, I said, I
Speaker 3: can't ultimately only do one of those.
Speaker 1: Is the sort of a thing happening? You know? This
Speaker 1: is something I wonder. Do you sometimes get suffocated by
Speaker 1: the punk fok sensibility to not do the thing that
Speaker 1: is the thing that everyone does.
Speaker 3: Yes, And this is deep therapy talk of like how
Speaker 3: much are you how much are you trying to explore
Speaker 3: a un exports space and how much are you just
Speaker 3: like standing in your own the way of your own success?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? How much are you going.
Speaker 3: This should be weirder, wilder instead of you know, ultimately.
Speaker 2: Just how much are you producing something and it's good?
Speaker 2: And how much? And yet you have the instinct to
Speaker 2: take a dump on it, to give it a twist.
Speaker 3: And for me, it's often not even taking a dump
Speaker 3: on it as much as it is what if you
Speaker 3: made it harder and more inaccessible and in a way
Speaker 3: that gets me going? But then I'm like, does anyone
Speaker 3: put you like this?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? This is really hard to tell.
Speaker 1: It's complicated. It's complicated. And we've answered that question as
Speaker 1: we're now normal on this podcast? Are we?
Speaker 2: Is this episode normal.
Speaker 1: Already abnormal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't introduced you.
Speaker 1: We haven't. We haven't even done the interviewl we kind
Speaker 1: of did we started.
Speaker 2: Well, what if we just sit in the space between
Speaker 2: introducing and not welcome to the podcasts? Sharp, Sam, this
Speaker 2: is he is so pansutonation right now. You need to,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of access this current state that we're
Speaker 2: in where there's no democratic you know what you need?
Speaker 2: You're still you're still nostalgic for Hillary.
Speaker 1: You guys just think if you didn'tvote for Jill Stein,
Speaker 1: like we would have a different country.
Speaker 3: Do you know what Sam needs to do that he's
Speaker 3: not doing?
Speaker 1: What question? You think I'm not on the fucking bed rock?
Speaker 1: You don't think I'm not rock bottom on this bed? Sam?
Speaker 2: Are you not questioning?
Speaker 1: I'm questioning everything.
Speaker 3: See, I'm asking the question and that was declarative, isn't that?
Speaker 3: So you're not questioning?
Speaker 1: Question mark?
Speaker 2: I'm not exclamation ever seen anyone? So first, Sam, are
Speaker 2: you're not question Are you not questioning?
Speaker 1: What about me makes you think I'm not? Oh? My god,
Speaker 1: you're not? Am I not doing it at all times?
Speaker 1: You're doing an imp of exercise. And don't think I
Speaker 1: don't know that. You think I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: a name, but my room. I'll honor my rooms.
Speaker 2: Wow to La and my present to stake a flag
Speaker 2: and say I know this. I can't think of anything
Speaker 2: more toxic and masculine.
Speaker 3: I know this anything more g quite frankly, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: wo G I thought you're a document GHP certitude of
Speaker 3: the gh you know what I mean, the G the
Speaker 3: wisdom of the l Oh my god, you guys, I
Speaker 3: just figured out what GQ stands for gay questioning When
Speaker 3: you're subscribing to GQ magazine you're subscribing to gay Question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it all. Guys. That's awesome because they're like, like,
Speaker 1: are you turned on by this? Yeah? For so many people,
Speaker 1: GQ was gay question.
Speaker 3: It was somebody of our community to get that and go,
Speaker 3: I'm receiving this modality different than my peers.
Speaker 2: No, you're getting the GQ and you're saying, I have
Speaker 2: received the subliminal messages you are sending me and I
Speaker 2: will be in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: And you're going, wait, you don't all receive this this way,
Speaker 3: like that moment that makes you realize you're the other
Speaker 3: queer Q queer, you know, it's like, you're right, it's
Speaker 3: gay questioning, it's questioning.
Speaker 1: I actually think this is one of the smartest things
Speaker 1: I've ever realized.
Speaker 2: That g Q is gay question.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the drill is a warm bath the.
Speaker 2: Gay question, because that's more Kim Petra's I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: say that GQ is gay questioning is a little more
Speaker 2: slow off Miami.
Speaker 1: That's that's been done at Rose. Yeah. Whatever that's good.
Speaker 2: Also, whatever that's good is whatever that that's good.
Speaker 3: Respect, respect, g g q's gay questioning, and all of
Speaker 3: this will be addressed in my show, which is Josh
Speaker 3: Sharp shada toda, which doesn't stand for anything.
Speaker 1: It's a word on its own. Yeah, are there multiple
Speaker 1: a's and tada? Is it liken be t a hyphen
Speaker 1: d a all owercase?
Speaker 2: Do you ever think of naming it tada for and
Speaker 2: it's like a pup?
Speaker 3: Oh God, call my lawyer. Is it too late to change? Oh? No,
Speaker 3: I've made I mean, see that version of the show.
Speaker 3: I'm selling out the Garden, Like what have I done?
Speaker 3: You have to have a pun in the time. Okay,
Speaker 3: I've got one to ghettoize myself at this at the
Speaker 3: famed Gritwich House when I couldn't be playing the Garden.
Speaker 1: Did you every think it was sort of going Chelsea
Speaker 1: Handler mode and calling it to darfour?
Speaker 3: Almost every day I wake up and consider going to
Speaker 3: the mode, and I'm waiting in the day that I do.
Speaker 3: It's over for y'all when I go Chelsea.
Speaker 1: I have seen you go Chelsea Handler mode in private
Speaker 1: spaces and I have burns from it.
Speaker 3: Well, you have to keep some things to yourself as
Speaker 3: a person in the public and the demi public, you
Speaker 3: have to keep some things for yourself, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, A whole, because these one hundred to
Speaker 1: two hundred people that know who we are, they'll take everything.
Speaker 3: Oh they'll take They'll rip you limb from limb.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Down to the bone. I saw what
Speaker 1: they did to Britney spears.
Speaker 3: Like a whale at the bottom of the ocean. Every
Speaker 3: bit of the ecosystem that is the Stradio Lab fan
Speaker 3: base comes in in their time, the predators, the Mitoplankton,
Speaker 3: all of it comes until you are not but carcass.
Speaker 2: They have been plotting since twenty sixteen. Trust Trust you
Speaker 2: don't think we know what the what? What the riots
Speaker 2: the January sixth started as it was literally in the
Speaker 2: Straighter Lab discord.
Speaker 1: It will live if you called your fans pantsuit nation.
Speaker 1: There's a world in.
Speaker 2: Winch the world and which that's another field a Apple.
Speaker 1: There's a world.
Speaker 2: There is a world in witch dot dot. It's actually
Speaker 2: one of those Fiona Apple tracks that's so long, you
Speaker 2: know how her album titles are so long. But then
Speaker 2: people abbreviate it as there's a witch do Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: like that. It's like it's like a poem she wrote,
Speaker 2: and then she did a little drawing next to it
Speaker 2: and it's dedicated to one of her dogs, the one
Speaker 2: that has a terminal illness, the one they all If
Speaker 2: you don't think, if you don't think every dog has
Speaker 2: a terminal illness, I don't know what to tell you
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you. Clearly are not cute.
Speaker 1: Because I have not aled it, not one moment, to
Speaker 1: be honest, Like, being a dog is a terminal illness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, let's start there.
Speaker 1: The moment you have a dog, you're like, okay, clock
Speaker 1: stick in Yeah.
Speaker 2: The sands of the Sands of Time talk about dog like,
Speaker 2: is someone not comfortable when they don't have a role
Speaker 2: a dog, Like when that dog is between friend and guests,
Speaker 2: They're just like, but please give my life. Meeting this
Speaker 2: cat is the entire thing is cue. Cats are obviously
Speaker 2: the most cue. I mean they're just like.
Speaker 3: Well they derive ultimately like certitude from the questioning. You
Speaker 3: know they really the bad rock is strolling in cats.
Speaker 3: We know this, we know this, we know this, we
Speaker 3: know this, we know this.
Speaker 1: When I meet like a person with a puppy, like
Speaker 1: there is something sort of old show Girl where I'm
Speaker 1: like you just wait, yeah, yeah, like, oh god, I've
Speaker 1: seen it all Oh god, Yeah, you don't know what's
Speaker 1: about to happen to your life. And it's it's funny
Speaker 1: to be so young and to be able to have
Speaker 1: that perspective and have this fun and be so lucky
Speaker 1: and to be successful. I'm just dog.
Speaker 2: I have a dog who's old. Should we do our
Speaker 2: first segment?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, at.
Speaker 5: Last the bath has been drawn. I sink in deeper.
Speaker 5: I sink in deeper. Track hell today, Yeah, get thee
Speaker 5: to the Greenwich House.
Speaker 3: Get the pry abound at the Greenwich House seven times.
Speaker 2: A week, seven times a week.
Speaker 3: Because maybe too many times we were discussing this off, Mike,
Speaker 3: but I could bring it on. I've never done one
Speaker 3: of those runs, and it'll be curious to the something
Speaker 3: this is? Did you read Jack Novak's New Yorker piece
Speaker 3: when the special based on the show was coming out, Yes,
Speaker 3: I did. Something I loved was when she talked in
Speaker 3: about it, and this is good the cube the New
Speaker 3: Yorker integral to the topic we'll be discussing later. She
Speaker 3: talked about how she realized that doing an off Broadway
Speaker 3: run was her birthright, and I read that and went
Speaker 3: actually low key same and now here.
Speaker 1: We are well.
Speaker 2: No, it is sort of when are you going to
Speaker 2: be chosen? Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was already working on this show at the time,
Speaker 3: and I read that. I was like, wait, it should
Speaker 3: be one of those. It turned a page for me
Speaker 3: quite literally.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's nice. Huge. What's the journey for this thing
Speaker 1: you're making? I said, it's that.
Speaker 2: It's that wow.
Speaker 3: And then and then and then the producers abound.
Speaker 2: Oh, there are so many producers.
Speaker 1: Oh God, to have.
Speaker 3: A Mic and a Carlely. God, you'd be lucky to
Speaker 3: have a Mic or a Carley.
Speaker 1: Some people have both.
Speaker 2: You're sneaking in the more traditional promotion.
Speaker 3: I see you see how we're doing it in such
Speaker 3: a que way.
Speaker 2: That's such a cute.
Speaker 1: It's very sort of the Little Women reboot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and which is why non linear. Yeah, it's oh yes, nonlinear.
Speaker 3: It's gerwig as fuck the way I love.
Speaker 2: The Little Little Little Women reboot.
Speaker 1: It's so good. Okay, what else would we call it.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, there's a new miniseries that's great expectations, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're rebooting, great expectations.
Speaker 1: I'm being normal.
Speaker 2: So, Josh, our first segment, as you well know, is
Speaker 2: called straight Shooters and In this segment, we ask you
Speaker 2: a series of rapid fire questions to gauge your familiarity
Speaker 2: with in complicity and straight culture, where you have to
Speaker 2: choose one thing or another thing, and the one rule
Speaker 2: is you can't ask any follow up questions. Understand how
Speaker 2: the game works.
Speaker 3: Now's the time where Q becomes illegal.
Speaker 1: Sam, this is sort of the forties. This is yeah, okay, Josh,
Speaker 1: A watched pot never boils? Or can you watch my
Speaker 1: spot while I go to the toilet?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: A watched pot never boils?
Speaker 2: Roy g bib or boy please give, Boy, please give?
Speaker 1: French Revolution or NYC stench pollution, n icy stench pollution.
Speaker 2: J W. Anderson or d W from Arthur, d W from.
Speaker 1: Arthur good one though, okay? Pimple popping bids or simple
Speaker 1: topping tips.
Speaker 2: Popping bids, shopping at an H and M or choking
Speaker 2: on an eminem.
Speaker 1: Oh, choking on an M and M. Okay, defying gravity
Speaker 1: or implying you're mad at me, implying you're mad at me?
Speaker 2: No smoking or relax I was joking.
Speaker 3: Relax I was joking that before that was a particularly
Speaker 3: good round. So many of them evocative. A question will
Speaker 3: not be asked, but a statement will be made. So
Speaker 3: many of them colon evocative.
Speaker 2: That's another exact.
Speaker 3: The reviews are in so many of them evocative.
Speaker 2: So many of them colon evocatives. Wow, that's actually Kim
Speaker 2: just trying to do THEODA apple, but she like sort
Speaker 2: of doesn't quite get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, if Kim p have a song called evocative.
Speaker 3: Or a cockativeative Cambridge like she does, like her sort
Speaker 3: of like literary horror album.
Speaker 1: The medium is the sensual massage. That's that's good.
Speaker 2: You could The medium is the massage she is writing down.
Speaker 3: Well, Josh stream, she's on the live streams. She is
Speaker 3: on the live stream and she's hard face.
Speaker 1: She's being like, seriously, you guys, you got a vote.
Speaker 2: Kim has been listening since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was who I talked to last night, was Kim.
Speaker 1: She came out to me and she was like, I've
Speaker 1: always loved you since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: So Joshree rank each guest's performance on a scale of
Speaker 2: zero to one thousand doves. But now it's Blades of
Speaker 2: Grass and oulating on the album.
Speaker 3: Well and Walt Whitman, of course, no, he is the
Speaker 3: original cruising queer. Let's say that all y'all, all y'all
Speaker 3: Sniffies Queen's give it up to Walt Whitman.
Speaker 1: He invisaged.
Speaker 2: Whitman would have absolutely gone off on.
Speaker 1: No. He was literally like creating a location, being like
Speaker 1: it's the creek with all the boys that are shirtless white.
Speaker 3: Literally, the original Sniffies was blades of Grass. Let's say, wow,
Speaker 3: the original original sniffs was blades of And that's.
Speaker 2: A perfude genius track.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: I'm fast, I contain multitudes of Sun's whole loads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Oh, I'm seeing our coffee is all flying.
Speaker 1: In coffee, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, oh this, oh my god, this so
Speaker 4: this I say this.
Speaker 1: Hey, cheers, cheers, cheers. Girls.
Speaker 2: Damn now you're left out. It's speaking, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: under your breath. Speaking of this has aaron to My
Speaker 2: favorite thing is that part?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I love just to put sort of like
Speaker 3: a three year delay on lexicon for the most yes, yes,
Speaker 3: but it's like the things that are happening now in
Speaker 3: conversation for the most part. First of all, it's all
Speaker 3: a la carte. If you're slavishly devoted to every bit
Speaker 3: that the kids are saying, Oh, it's pathetic. You pick
Speaker 3: what works for you. But often I'm putting them in
Speaker 3: a little lock box. Twenty sixteen, I'm putting them in
Speaker 3: a lock box and I'm saving them for three years
Speaker 3: from now. And that's one where I'm like, finally, let's do.
Speaker 2: I think I'm ready to do that part that Sam
Speaker 2: has a theory.
Speaker 1: I have a really exciting theory that I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna like, I think yos Queen is about to come back.
Speaker 3: See that's what I mean. We're getting the port who
Speaker 3: I'm like, absolutely, I'm down for that.
Speaker 1: When I heard I because I'm in a hotel currently
Speaker 1: and they have like in the elevator they have all
Speaker 1: these like fake buttons that have like letters on them
Speaker 1: and then some of them are highlighted and it says
Speaker 1: yas Queen, And I was like, that is the funniest
Speaker 1: thing I've I love ever seen. I love it. It's so back.
Speaker 3: If you looked at my phone, the amount of alarms
Speaker 3: are set. It's all alarms for four years from now.
Speaker 3: Remember to bring back this.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Well, you're like an archivist, you'reeling it's overheating it is
Speaker 3: hot to the touch my device because of how many
Speaker 3: long term alarms I have set to remember these things.
Speaker 2: So give us an give us sort of an idea
Speaker 2: of what types of things are you seeing maybe in
Speaker 2: the coming year, Oh that are going to make a comeback?
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, okay, so, yas queen, what else from
Speaker 2: that era? I mean, are we talking? Boob pillows are
Speaker 2: coming back? Like a pillow that has that's good line
Speaker 2: drawings of boobs? Are we talking or is it?
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if there's this is sort of akin
Speaker 1: to yas Queen. It's a little further back, like is
Speaker 1: bacon core? Like?
Speaker 3: Oh being like, can I have to say I've always
Speaker 3: loved yes queen with an M at the end?
Speaker 1: Something about that is really right to me?
Speaker 2: Ques answer Queen queen a questioning. It's not queen or queen.
Speaker 2: Actually that is the spectrum is QQQ queer question and Queen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Monny, I know where you're starting, I know where
Speaker 3: you're end. And I won't say them because I know
Speaker 3: them and you should know them. Should what do we
Speaker 3: think is coming?
Speaker 1: Or no?
Speaker 3: You know you go something now I was gonna I
Speaker 3: was gonna go what do I think is coming back,
Speaker 3: but I don't have the answer in my head right now.
Speaker 1: And this is one of those that's a question that
Speaker 1: Q is so answer based that I do think is
Speaker 1: somewhat illegal for a podcast when when you're asking a
Speaker 1: question that that requires an answer.
Speaker 2: Well, I also think there needs this.
Speaker 1: We could dissect the answer the question. This ideeah is
Speaker 1: fruitful because I do love like obviously you have to
Speaker 1: ask a questions.
Speaker 2: Di Sect is another Kim Petra's track Sect and it's
Speaker 2: sort of a you know, analysis of texts.
Speaker 3: Also, this is another Dick one, so they went yours
Speaker 3: is probably better.
Speaker 2: No, if you know her work, she's gonna have two
Speaker 2: Dick ones in a row.
Speaker 1: Do we Diximal System? Yeah? Okay, Ideology spot that's the
Speaker 1: lead single and actually has a little musicality. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's kind of nice. Oh that's good.
Speaker 2: So my thing here's where I'm struggling with trend based
Speaker 2: stuff is like trend forecasting is over, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, And yet I know, I know, I know,
Speaker 2: but it's like, but that's that's the bind we find
Speaker 2: ourselves and you want to engage in the Jois de
Speaker 2: Vive of trend forecasting and the like gay guy play
Speaker 2: that is like this is coming back, this is so
Speaker 2: five years ago.
Speaker 3: You know what you're doing. You're not trends forecasting. You're
Speaker 3: doing the ultimately queer act of reading the vibe. You know,
Speaker 3: you're catching a vibe. Yeah, and as cues we are trained.
Speaker 1: To catch a vibe.
Speaker 3: You're you're reading GQ and you're catching a vibe that
Speaker 3: only is for you message.
Speaker 1: That's only for you? Is it just me? Or is
Speaker 1: this gay questioning?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I think you're catching a vibe? You know how?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, should we get into our topic? Sure, Josh,
Speaker 1: what topic did you bring today? And what straight about it? Well,
Speaker 1: we have the New Yorker to think.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's not the New Yorker, though, Has anyone done
Speaker 3: the New Yorker That would be good?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Actually New Yorker told well, we did toads, but mostly
Speaker 1: the New Yorker.
Speaker 2: One of our recent guests is a staff writer of
Speaker 2: The New Yorker. Her topic, did they write the article
Speaker 2: that I'm going to rep sadly know?
Speaker 1: Too bad? Actually I should know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really, there was a.
Speaker 3: Few topics I was considering, and then there was an
Speaker 3: article today about the band Fish, and I found myself
Speaker 3: crying at it, and then I was like, maybe we
Speaker 3: have to talk about fish.
Speaker 2: Let's shout out. And then the lgbgq BOS creator who
Speaker 2: wrote it, Amanda pet troys, Oh, yes, they're a music critic. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: she's she's great.
Speaker 1: So I think I think we should get into fish.
Speaker 3: So Fish, But I've learned in our prediscussions are off, Mike,
Speaker 3: that's now on that this is a this is a
Speaker 3: really foreign topic for you and a mostly foreign topic
Speaker 3: for you. Yeah, yeah, what do you know, let's start there.
Speaker 2: I would say there are certain.
Speaker 1: Things that's something you've give an A.
Speaker 2: No, no, totally.
Speaker 1: There are some a's are easier than others.
Speaker 2: There's something very comforting to me about knowing that certain
Speaker 2: things are like not for me, not for me at
Speaker 2: the base level, but then on top of that, also
Speaker 2: not for me to criticize or judge or respond to.
Speaker 3: Like Fish is something I love about the space. It's
Speaker 3: sort of hermetically sealed, and and that's exactly it.
Speaker 2: I actually there was a time in my life where
Speaker 2: I felt musical theater was that, but then late in
Speaker 2: life I have actually become involved.
Speaker 3: I think there's profound similarities.
Speaker 2: Betwe profound similarities. Actually, I would say anything involving the
Speaker 2: Winter Olympic other than ice skating. Anything involving the Winter
Speaker 2: Olympics for me is that like I don't relate to it.
Speaker 2: To me, the Sumber Olympics or ancient Greece, that's my culture.
Speaker 2: I've never found out what bob sledding is or losing
Speaker 2: or anything like that, Like, nor do I think it's
Speaker 2: good or bad, Like, it's not for me to judge.
Speaker 1: You don't watch cool runnings, don't even know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 3: What formative text to me the nineties Disney Family comedy
Speaker 3: about Jamaican Bob sled team. That's that's what really implanted her.
Speaker 3: Because I was gonna say, I agree with your sentiment.
Speaker 3: But as soon as you said that Bob sledting, I
Speaker 3: said that I know intimately that's me too.
Speaker 1: It's so important running. There was a lot of child
Speaker 1: media about Winter Olympics. There was a lot of ice
Speaker 1: skating movies. You already accepted ice skating.
Speaker 2: I've exempted ice skating, of course, my point being that
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: I held the record show we've exempted ice skating.
Speaker 3: And Sam and Josh have excepted Bob Sledding under the
Speaker 3: Cool Runnings clause.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Bob Sledding is another track off
Speaker 2: of slipt Up Norway, which is her winter theme pop Oslow. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the point being, I have known Fish is one
Speaker 2: of those things that you're born knowing. You are born
Speaker 2: knowing that Fish exists and that the thing with is
Speaker 2: that people follow them on tour and it's like a
Speaker 2: culture and you're either a part of it or you're not. Uh,
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: And I pretty much know the same thing, except I
Speaker 1: did listen to a comedy podcast about Fish Scott Ackerman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't listen to it, but he is a fan.
Speaker 3: He's a fan, and and he's talking to someone else
Speaker 3: who's not a fan and sort of explaining it.
Speaker 1: Harris, we're doing our cover of the We're doing our cover.
Speaker 1: Harris Whittles is the fan, and he's teaching Scott Ackerman
Speaker 1: to like it.
Speaker 2: So you like, listen and what it and uh, was
Speaker 2: it compelling to.
Speaker 1: It was compelling? I mean I never know a lot.
Speaker 1: Actually I never learned to. I never like downloaded an
Speaker 1: album and listened to it. But I did hear a
Speaker 1: lot about it.
Speaker 3: Well, and the truth is, I'm going to be a
Speaker 3: lot more cue than Wittles. I'm not here to convince
Speaker 3: you to like it, do you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm here for us to swim, swim, to play around
Speaker 3: in this pool. I don't wouldn't say I like it anymore.
Speaker 3: What made me weep today was just remembering my former self,
Speaker 3: like remembering the me who was obsessed with them. And
Speaker 3: actually I can still I'll go like every two years
Speaker 3: and sort of have a nostalgia trip, but I'm not
Speaker 3: an active participant in the space anymore. Definitely, I remember
Speaker 3: being the only gay person in the room of twenty thousand,
Speaker 3: Like it is just literally a decidedly straight space. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but upon processing, there are some like queer elements, but
Speaker 3: done in a very straight way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like we said, there's like a drug and a party culture,
Speaker 3: but also none of them are grooming or bathing.
Speaker 2: Well, there's also a community based element to it that
Speaker 2: is very like queer co op pot luck.
Speaker 3: Absolutely that it does feel like it's a space for
Speaker 3: a certain type of straight person who is like this
Speaker 3: society is not for me to like jump over. While
Speaker 3: still never once dabbling in GQ.
Speaker 2: I mean it's literally a safe space.
Speaker 6: It is a space space for straight yes, you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: boy on girl and girl on boy oriented people to
Speaker 6: do a lot of the other broader cultural.
Speaker 1: Queue that we do as cues. You know. I sometimes
Speaker 1: do feel bad for these types of strait because they
Speaker 1: don't have much.
Speaker 3: Well, there are a few scenes a lot of their
Speaker 3: musical I'm really staying like there's like like hardcore is
Speaker 3: like such a straight scene, but also really weirdly very
Speaker 3: gay Australian rugby. You know, men who become so masculine
Speaker 3: they double back around and they're like, oh yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: like grab my buddy's cock. But I've I've never once
Speaker 3: had sex. I've never once thought a single sexual. I've
Speaker 3: not done an iode of GQ. You know, it's like
Speaker 3: there's there's places for them.
Speaker 1: You know. I just realized we need to reframe the
Speaker 1: entire gay straight thing. So now it's not gay straight anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So the entire prem now.
Speaker 1: It's Q and A.
Speaker 3: You're either question or answer. So the new podcast is
Speaker 3: called a e O LAP.
Speaker 1: Called Lap. Old McDonald had a farm ah.
Speaker 2: By the way, Q and A parentheses. Queath and ass
Speaker 2: is also another track off of Kim Petris La Pop Cambridge.
Speaker 2: So I, first of all, of course love this.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It begs the question in defining Q and A, are
Speaker 2: we creating another binary that is even more rigid?
Speaker 1: What's the liminal space between Q and A?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: What is? You know what it is? It's a yes,
Speaker 2: and it's a statement that ends in ellipses, like it's
Speaker 2: like that Q ends in a question mark, A ends
Speaker 2: in a period.
Speaker 1: It's sort of the liminal space is the amper sand WHOA, it's.
Speaker 2: Already in it.
Speaker 3: The options are Q, A or and that's true and
Speaker 3: no one's even seeing And as the third option, it's
Speaker 3: right there. Yeah, but we needed to be expansive because
Speaker 3: it can't just be we can't make it a you know,
Speaker 3: A try on me anymore. Like it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we can't we can't make it three. That's the same,
Speaker 3: You're on the right path. We have to find a
Speaker 3: way to break apart it as the third.
Speaker 2: And is the amper stand in in assigning it the
Speaker 2: role of the third option? Aren't we othering it? Do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But it is the continuation literally, and is the ellipsis yeah,
Speaker 3: dot dot dot and what else? You know, say more
Speaker 3: on that? Yeah, say more on that. The end is
Speaker 3: say more, right, and so the idea of like always exploring,
Speaker 3: say more, you're you're seeking, You're seeking.
Speaker 1: That's the end.
Speaker 2: Here's a question for you, though, absolutely isn't that the
Speaker 2: queue literally seeking more? What is it?
Speaker 3: And I guess what the queue is inherently asking for
Speaker 3: is the A? You at a certain point stop talking
Speaker 3: to get the A. Maybe the end is just you know,
Speaker 3: we're just we're we're riding the way.
Speaker 2: It's interesting you think the A is the more limiting
Speaker 2: option the cue. There's actually something about the queue that
Speaker 2: is like demanding an answer.
Speaker 1: The queue has to stop for the A to exist. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the oh my god.
Speaker 1: The queue has to go.
Speaker 3: The que is going and oh oh oh okay, I
Speaker 3: guess it's me now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Q is an accusation. Accusation, thank you, thank c
Speaker 2: And by the way, you're well dash c U M,
Speaker 2: which is another track off of Yeah Pop Cambridge.
Speaker 1: That's that's slut Pop Manners Edition. Yeah, you're welcome slip
Speaker 1: pop Dear Abby or whatever. Yeah, it's like like that's
Speaker 1: that's there's track on it called That's My Tossed Salad Fork.
Speaker 1: That's that me tossed salad fork.
Speaker 2: That's that me tost salad Forks featuring Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 1: Actually, absolutely absolutely, it's an interpolation.
Speaker 3: Oh the way this has my lips chapped, that's when
Speaker 3: you know it's good.
Speaker 1: The lips are chat.
Speaker 3: That's when you know it's good. Watcher listeners. That was
Speaker 3: to the watchers.
Speaker 1: Okay, so call them listeners and watchers we don't do, okay,
Speaker 1: so you love we don't. That was so a of
Speaker 1: you that really, Yes, he gave me a cue. I
Speaker 1: had to give an a like he was literally being
Speaker 1: like gun to my head, that's.
Speaker 2: What you called, And I said, no, but this is
Speaker 2: I'm really it's like you think the A is the
Speaker 2: oppressive one. No, the Q is what is oppressing the A.
Speaker 2: And to give me a declarative.
Speaker 1: Statement, I mean many straight people would argue that is true.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's that is. It's it's like the straight people
Speaker 2: are the ones that are.
Speaker 3: Pressed, done, done hits end, which is why they take
Speaker 3: refuge and fish is why.
Speaker 2: And I not to be so uh standard Q and A.
Speaker 2: I do want to sort of go back to basics,
Speaker 2: and I kind of want to give you a platform. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it talks a little bit about Fish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do feel like a lot of like being
Speaker 3: a closeted high schooler in rural North Carolina, it was
Speaker 3: a big part of developing my personality, not just Fish,
Speaker 3: but just like like driving to Ashville and seeing third
Speaker 3: tier jam bands at the Orange Peel was how I
Speaker 3: was like, I am a person. You know, I exist,
Speaker 3: I've been intro and I've been brought on, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like that, really, so I would
Speaker 3: this is the primer. Let's try to make it as
Speaker 3: succinct as possible, and we're gonna go We're gonna little
Speaker 3: women reboot it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go out of time.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not We're gonna start in the middle,
Speaker 3: as the podcast does.
Speaker 2: Josh, I just want to say if you if you
Speaker 2: start in the beginning, I would tell you to get
Speaker 2: out of your care and leave the idea that you
Speaker 2: would come to this podcast and do linear storytelling as
Speaker 2: though you are, like.
Speaker 3: It's insulting. I even it's insulting to the cubes and
Speaker 3: cut this part of the episode because it's insulting. Cut
Speaker 3: this part of the episode and put it at the end.
Speaker 3: By the way, accountability, keep this part of the episode.
Speaker 3: Cut the part where I said cut it, but keep it.
Speaker 2: And the idea that you're coming in and you're saying,
Speaker 2: you know, a normal person would do linear, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do wist. That's like you. It's like very Sam
Speaker 2: Smith saying, am I the first gay person to win?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, Like it's.
Speaker 3: Like not to being different, Yeah, not even this kind
Speaker 3: of other people do what you're doing.
Speaker 2: It's called conversation. Yea, Like no one is actually going
Speaker 2: on exactly, So you're so right.
Speaker 3: So what you know about them is sort of tapping
Speaker 3: into when the Grateful Dead ended because Jerry died in
Speaker 3: ninety five, Fish, who was already like a really burgeoning
Speaker 3: popular band, had started to like play arenas became like
Speaker 3: mega successful because their fans were like, we need to
Speaker 3: fuck to them.
Speaker 1: But actually they were rather different.
Speaker 3: They're very similar in cultures but different in musical construct.
Speaker 3: They both improvise, so they do a lot of improv
Speaker 3: which you all know as not to UCB training.
Speaker 1: I celebrate and much more free form.
Speaker 3: It's actually more of a jazz style than a UCB
Speaker 3: Amy Poeller told you the rules, so you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Like it's it's very it's very free form,
Speaker 3: but it's very yes andy okay. And so thus there's
Speaker 3: this culture of people who are chasing the dragon because
Speaker 3: not only do you hear a song more than once,
Speaker 3: and it can go very different directions. You know, you're
Speaker 3: trying to see Sandino do the perfect chessboard, Herald Honey
Speaker 3: preaching to the damn choir, you understand. But also so
Speaker 3: they then sort of extrapolate that on creat a broader
Speaker 3: culture where like for them, the shows are very long,
Speaker 3: like four and a half hours, so they're like an experience,
Speaker 3: and if you could see them every night for a week,
Speaker 3: they don't repeat a song, so you just hear every
Speaker 3: show is literally quite different structurally, and then also even
Speaker 3: if it were the same show played twice, which they
Speaker 3: never would do, they like embrace the energy of the
Speaker 3: space and let it go different places. But musically, The
Speaker 3: Grateful Dead was basically like a folk band who then
Speaker 3: were like, it's pretty easy to just like take LSD
Speaker 3: and riff on these two courts from they sort of
Speaker 3: started as a prog band and we're writing these intensely composed,
Speaker 3: like crazy epic suites that were psychotic and then finding
Speaker 3: out how to improvise within them, which is like a
Speaker 3: weird gnashing of dualities. So musically, but also if you
Speaker 3: told me this is unlistenable, I'd be like valid. I
Speaker 3: get there's a high bird hurdle to get into it,
Speaker 3: and then when people do, you're down bad for it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's half that part of straight people's brain, like baseball,
Speaker 3: where you're like, I need to memorize every statistic.
Speaker 1: There's a there's an obsession your list observe. It's obsessive.
Speaker 3: It's obsessive, and there's a there's a lot of in
Speaker 3: culture stuff, as we know from Yas Queen that part.
Speaker 3: There's all of these things that only this culture knows
Speaker 3: that are fostered by the band to the audience and
Speaker 3: vice versa. I like, literally do gags with the bands.
Speaker 3: I have a cue that demands an a what's their
Speaker 3: yas Queen?
Speaker 1: Oh great point.
Speaker 3: And I know actually that one of one of the
Speaker 3: people in this room is more actively in fish. So
Speaker 3: you can gut check me. At any point, would you
Speaker 3: say it's would you fec driving to a frenzy. Is
Speaker 3: that their yas Queen.
Speaker 1: That's one of the big ones.
Speaker 3: One of their most epic songs has this sort of
Speaker 3: undecipherable lyric that's just sounds that people are always starting
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what it actually is and then
Speaker 3: they've never explained it. But people have a lot of
Speaker 3: theories of what they're trying to say. And it's definitely
Speaker 3: a shorthand for like knowing the band.
Speaker 1: Okay, so okay, So for like a You're like there
Speaker 1: for four plus hours, you're like doing drugs and You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. I've never been anywhere like this, like where
Speaker 1: part of what feels straight to me about it and
Speaker 1: I'm down to be wrong because I'm just shooting in
Speaker 1: the dark. Is it sexless?
Speaker 3: Are people hooking up sexless? That's interesting sexless? Wouldn't you agree? Sexless?
Speaker 7: I don't think fish is that straight?
Speaker 2: Oh interesting?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Well, but I think of the amount of straight people,
Speaker 3: which is profound and overwhelming, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But you're right, there are a lot of overlaps because
Speaker 3: it's it circles back this thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, any stub of any subculture is exacterently to
Speaker 2: be so basic apparently queer because it is like outside
Speaker 2: the main stream.
Speaker 3: But they're the most successful indie band of all time,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like they can they
Speaker 3: can sell thirteen knights in a row at the garden
Speaker 3: and aren't on a label. You know, nobody listens to
Speaker 3: their They've never had a pop they've never had a
Speaker 3: radiohead ever.
Speaker 1: So which is that is what's.
Speaker 2: Most intriguing about them to me is like everything else
Speaker 2: that is a subcult you can at least point to.
Speaker 2: Like the one time they were mainstream.
Speaker 3: They had a very brief moment of trying it yeah,
Speaker 3: and the record did like okay, but didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: And then they turned in the next record. This guy
Speaker 3: referenced in The New Yorker, I'm like, here's the next one,
Speaker 3: and the air and our person was not just like
Speaker 3: this is a bad direction. He was like, I refuse
Speaker 3: to even try to do so. Then they're like, all right,
Speaker 3: well never wine. They didn't even give notes. They're like,
Speaker 3: no notes, cut and run.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, here's my theory. Ready, Okay they are It's
Speaker 1: not like a band in the classic sense. It's a
Speaker 1: theater show about a band in a way.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean one of his early pieces, this guy
Speaker 3: was writing sort of like this like fantasy musical that
Speaker 3: he did dissertation stereophonic fantasy. Yeah, exactly. And so I
Speaker 3: think there's always and he's now since written musicals. Like
Speaker 3: a lot of it is drawing from that space of
Speaker 3: like narrative world building. You know, characters, there's characters and songs.
Speaker 3: There's like you know, yeah, there there's a certain state
Speaker 3: of play, profoundly, oh god, profoundly a state of play.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of that because again they're like one
Speaker 3: improv is like we're playing together. And then they then
Speaker 3: wanted Also they have a light sky who's like known
Speaker 3: in the business for being the best at what he does.
Speaker 3: Because you see most big arena stadium shows, they're programmed
Speaker 3: to hell, you have like ninety thousand pre program cues.
Speaker 3: He goes in with I think normally like four and
Speaker 3: improvises the rest of it. And so he is working
Speaker 3: these massive lights and improvising with him. So then sometimes
Speaker 3: they're doing things musically and he responds to it or
Speaker 3: vice versa. He'll do lights and they'll go, we should
Speaker 3: play along to that. Then they extrapolated that to the audience.
Speaker 3: There was a time they literally would throw four big
Speaker 3: balls in the audience, each of which represented a band member,
Speaker 3: and only play when an audience member touched it, because
Speaker 3: they're like, we want you to play us. And that's
Speaker 3: become a thing where they're always like, how do we
Speaker 3: make you as active a participant in this as we are?
Speaker 3: That literal sense of play.
Speaker 1: That's a sense of play. I like that. It reminds
Speaker 1: me of like me at over the eight, like there's something.
Speaker 3: No, it's very over the eight coded which and then
Speaker 3: there's all these facts you would know or do you
Speaker 3: know that like in the Y two K not to
Speaker 3: bring it.
Speaker 1: Back to twenty sixteen, but in the nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 1: was right exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you know that they did a concert on New
Speaker 3: Year's Eve that was the biggest attended New Year's Eve
Speaker 3: event in the world.
Speaker 1: Was it in a it in Florida?
Speaker 7: It was a big Cypress Native American.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, a seminal like reservation in Florida.
Speaker 3: And they had like hundreds of thousands of people there
Speaker 3: and they played ninety They played all night. They started
Speaker 3: at ten and played until like eight am the next morning.
Speaker 1: After the sun came out that that's rave culture. That's
Speaker 1: rave culture. Do they wear diapers?
Speaker 2: So here's my question.
Speaker 7: The first New Year's they played at the Boston Garden,
Speaker 7: eleven fifty they went backstage and like eleven fifty three
Speaker 7: they came out of.
Speaker 1: Divers, folks, they're wearing diapers. But that was as a
Speaker 1: bit right, it.
Speaker 7: Was there, like first ever New Year's game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now they do gags every New Year's. It's always
Speaker 3: a big surprise because they literally do like a theatrical
Speaker 3: thing as as part of the show. So people come
Speaker 3: every New year as being like, what's the guy going
Speaker 3: to be? And they actually like make a you know,
Speaker 3: like an opera or whatever. Oh yeah, look, well this
Speaker 3: is really shocking.
Speaker 2: I'm like getting frustrated that all these people are having
Speaker 2: more fun than me.
Speaker 3: Well that's what I actually do. That's something I realized
Speaker 3: too when I actually the part that made me cry
Speaker 3: was him thinking about his sobriety. He was talking about
Speaker 3: a sobriety really poetically.
Speaker 1: But when did he become sober?
Speaker 3: The band like busted up because he became so drop.
Speaker 3: I mean many reasons. I think the operation got too
Speaker 3: big and they had like fifty people to employ, and
Speaker 3: then it was like, oh, you have to keep doing this,
Speaker 3: and then the lead guy was like doing opiates and
Speaker 3: heroin and stuff, and so like that became unsustainable. So
Speaker 3: they like briefly broke up. And when was that two
Speaker 3: thousand and four. Yeah, to have a fact checker, this
Speaker 3: is tough.
Speaker 1: I feel like that you this is tough because you're
Speaker 1: literally now being no, I'm this is I have to
Speaker 1: have the right as you have. It's become an a podcast.
Speaker 1: I have to have the right a's you have to.
Speaker 3: But this is what media needs fact checkers in the room.
Speaker 3: Are we talking about? I mean, this is twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: If us.
Speaker 3: Fact checked me, like we should that Cheetoh if.
Speaker 2: You haven't, if you haven't heard of Cambridge Analytica, you're
Speaker 2: only getting half the story.
Speaker 1: Cambridge Anaclitica.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. That's literally best one out of out
Speaker 2: of slaptop Cambridge literally Cambridge Anaclitica. Wow, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Then like two years after the breakup, he got arrested
Speaker 3: with like heroin and pills in his car, and apparently
Speaker 3: it was just like everybody says, like the the most
Speaker 3: kind and gracious person to ever be arrested, because I
Speaker 3: think he was like finally, thank you, thank you. And
Speaker 3: then he tells the story about then he was on
Speaker 3: like he managed to avoid jail by doing basically house
Speaker 3: arrest and like got an apartment next to the jail
Speaker 3: and couldn't.
Speaker 1: Have a car.
Speaker 3: Apparently they like worked it out with a judge where
Speaker 3: he was like, I'm gonna do two years of community
Speaker 3: service and I'm gonna live by the jail and and
Speaker 3: he said it was like the most like beautiful, humbling experience.
Speaker 3: Because he's still Vermont, he's a rock star. People are
Speaker 3: coming up, like Trey from Fish. He's like, I'm scrubbing
Speaker 3: toilets and being like thank you. And then he said
Speaker 3: his kids would come and visit them on the weekends
Speaker 3: and they look back and say it was the best
Speaker 3: part of their lives because before that he was on
Speaker 3: tour and doing drugs. And he's like this part where
Speaker 3: I cry.
Speaker 1: To that that's pretty much.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's beautiful.
Speaker 3: But then it got me just thinking about the time
Speaker 3: of my life when I cared about this stuff and
Speaker 3: I don't anymore. And that's you know, that's what changed. Oh,
Speaker 3: that's a great question.
Speaker 1: You became gay that I became gay.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I became gay and I said, wait, there's a
Speaker 3: different version of this, and it's.
Speaker 1: And I can have sex there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get your dick sucked if you do
Speaker 3: this in Berlin. It's literally all the same things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is kind of a bummer. I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about what gay takes from me, what g takes away
Speaker 1: from me. Where now I am just like, well, I
Speaker 1: could be doing this, like I could be getting into
Speaker 1: this niche subculture, or I could go somewhere and probably
Speaker 1: have sex. Oh well, these are connected.
Speaker 3: The part I was going to say is I do now,
Speaker 3: looking back, love and appreciate it even more now that
Speaker 3: I think they're even lamer. That it's like an uncool
Speaker 3: space because so much of queer spaces are about the
Speaker 3: currency of cool.
Speaker 1: It's an arms race.
Speaker 3: It's an arms race for cool, and that theirs is
Speaker 3: basically everybody agreeing, like, so you're lame, like I'm lame,
Speaker 3: and it's having.
Speaker 2: So much thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's so that that is admirable. We should
Speaker 3: bring that to our Q spaces.
Speaker 1: We should bring up some Q spaces. But then but
Speaker 1: we you and I try to do this when we
Speaker 1: celebrate what we call Philly. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Can we explained this theory to George Philly not real Philly.
Speaker 3: This is I don't know the down just to warn
Speaker 3: the watchers cost about to be coastal elite, but in
Speaker 3: a way that doubles back and becomes praise. So this
Speaker 3: is Australian rugby. All right, So this is so straight
Speaker 3: it's gay trust us.
Speaker 2: Coastal Elik is one of the tracks that like Coastal
Speaker 2: a lick my cock, my cock.
Speaker 1: So Kat Constal that's featuring k Yeah, okay, So Philly
Speaker 1: is a real city. That's what this theory is based off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Philly rules, Philly places to go. And I specifically
Speaker 1: love the gay bars in Philly because they have this
Speaker 1: like they remind me of like when I was twenty
Speaker 1: one and going to like sort of a lame gay
Speaker 1: bar in Chicago and like dancing and let me just
Speaker 1: gout in music with like my girlfriend. Can I introduce
Speaker 1: something that we can all use because I love to
Speaker 1: use this conversation lame open parenthesis, complimentary close parenthesies.
Speaker 3: We're not saying it pejorative lame. Okay, good, this is
Speaker 3: lame as in good.
Speaker 1: And so now that I'm so when you go to Philly,
Speaker 1: you kind of experience these types of bars and they're
Speaker 1: too big for some reason. The liminal space.
Speaker 3: You're unwatched, you're not in the arms race.
Speaker 1: It's you're not the arms race at all, and you're
Speaker 1: finally free.
Speaker 3: Not a single is there, No one could care.
Speaker 1: They're putting Bruno mars On. Literally that's the liminal space
Speaker 1: and you're dancing to it. And so now whenever we're
Speaker 1: in a space that is uncool, we both bond on
Speaker 1: really enjoying that and we say, yes, it's Philly specifically
Speaker 1: where you have the can we dox them?
Speaker 3: I feel like we should dox them, but this is
Speaker 3: again doxing complimentary. Sometimes we go to Metro, which is
Speaker 3: my favorite gay bar, but because there's some newer girls
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood who the quote unquote cool people want
Speaker 3: to go to, they're not going to Metro anymore, and
Speaker 3: it's Philly.
Speaker 2: It's Philly. I love Metro is now Metro we go
Speaker 2: there and I'll talk to it. I'm one of the
Speaker 2: girls who is no longer going to Metro and haven't
Speaker 2: been actually docks them.
Speaker 1: What the actually an animal because of cool the cool list.
Speaker 2: But it's not even just that. It's like a return
Speaker 2: to like Christopher Street for me to like, it's a
Speaker 2: I would actually Jesus is number one. Well, this is
Speaker 2: obviously number one, and that's not even that exists outside
Speaker 2: of the cool uncool spectrum. That's it. I'm even going
Speaker 2: to like Julius. I just went to the Monster. I'm
Speaker 2: going to pieces.
Speaker 1: Here's the monster and going to pieces.
Speaker 2: I've been to pieces recently.
Speaker 1: What queens are you seeing?
Speaker 2: I don't remember what her name was, but she was okay.
Speaker 3: It's a great trag show. Say more on that. I
Speaker 3: don't remember her name, but she was okay. That is
Speaker 3: such a great But that wasn't the ax.
Speaker 2: But there wasn't anything about because there is this when
Speaker 2: it comes to uncool gay spaces. If it's long enough ago,
Speaker 2: then you are basically like wearing an Act up T
Speaker 2: shirt and pretending it's the eighties.
Speaker 1: Metro is that part, you know, it's like, but I
Speaker 1: think that is that part. It's like, it's not is yes,
Speaker 1: Queen Metro Meros twenty ten Ya kitchen is yes. Queen
Speaker 1: Metro is that part, and that is fun.
Speaker 2: And that's the final frontier, because when are the cool
Speaker 2: gay guys gonna suck at the fuck up and go
Speaker 2: to Hell's kitchen?
Speaker 1: Well, when it doesn't take a fucking hour to get there.
Speaker 1: That's why let's.
Speaker 3: Start with Christopher Street, and let's start with Josh Sharp, Toda,
Speaker 3: Josh dot Com, mere blocks from christ I'm loving how
Speaker 3: non Le start there with what we get these gay
Speaker 3: guys to do? Bring back Duplex, Bring bring back, bring
Speaker 3: back Duplex. Do you know how much of the scene
Speaker 3: that you love The podcast cup Ball is born of Duplex.
Speaker 1: In anyways, the.
Speaker 2: First time I ever did a half hour of comedy
Speaker 2: was at the Duplex. Thank you, leplit a bill with
Speaker 2: my friend Julia Claire. We did half hours together and
Speaker 2: the show is called George Severis and Julia Claire Colon.
Speaker 2: That's a stretch that love love it, love love it.
Speaker 3: It birthed Aaron and I mean UCB did. But when
Speaker 3: we were like what if we like broke out at
Speaker 3: UCB we hosted our variety show at the Duplex.
Speaker 1: Cole was running there.
Speaker 3: Like the hit show at the Duplex for a long
Speaker 3: time was cool. Cole was like paying the bills at
Speaker 3: Duplex so think.
Speaker 2: The way if you want to learn more about that.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Self's book of essays, Jeffrey describes the duplex era
Speaker 2: and working with Oh I would love first essay. You
Speaker 2: don't even have to read the whole.
Speaker 1: Book, So Christopher Street. Yeah, but this is to the Philly.
Speaker 2: This is the Philly of it all.
Speaker 1: Yes and yeah, so Philly the non cool gay guys
Speaker 1: is a movement that we actually do believe in, and
Speaker 1: so we're trying to push that.
Speaker 3: And not to be binary about it because actually, now
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sort of do the opposite, right, say, like
Speaker 3: the in between spaces what I don't like. But in
Speaker 3: these kind of things, there are certain places that are
Speaker 3: actually cool. You're at a certain like warehousey Rave, and
Speaker 3: you're like, you've nailed the cool assignment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Then there are the Philly spaces where it's like you
Speaker 3: are owning your uncoolness. It's these places that think they're
Speaker 3: cool and they're not that are living in the what
Speaker 3: is the you know this thing in relief when it
Speaker 3: comes to gay space, I mean, is it now the
Speaker 3: amper sand is bad where.
Speaker 1: I'm like you need to just be it or not it?
Speaker 1: Can you describe what a place that thinks it's cool
Speaker 1: but isn't feels.
Speaker 2: Is that Hell's Kitchen?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Is Hell's Kitchen the medium? And that's why it's sort
Speaker 2: we don't know what to do with it because there
Speaker 2: is it is Hell's Kitchen is attempting to be the
Speaker 2: gay spot. Yeah, that is its goal.
Speaker 3: It's there's a tackiness but without any camp. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 3: And there's there's sort of a and I'm not against basicness, like,
Speaker 3: as we know, basicness can be there's beauty and simplicity.
Speaker 3: But there's a time that has no queue. So I
Speaker 3: should say there's a type that has no queue. There's
Speaker 3: a type of basic where it's like, oh, you haven't
Speaker 3: considered anything outside of the slang and that that you've
Speaker 3: like considered it all and gone. What if I embrace
Speaker 3: the basic? You are only there no.
Speaker 2: C And in this narrative, is Philly only there no cue?
Speaker 2: Or his Philly considered?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Don't you feel like Philly has sort of considered I
Speaker 3: think Philly has considered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Philly has seen what cool could be
Speaker 1: and said I'm good. Yeah, I think they ride with
Speaker 1: my friends. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I don't need to
Speaker 1: do all that. There's a maturity to Philly. There's a
Speaker 1: maturity to Philly. Well birth our nation. You see that
Speaker 1: big old cracked bell. You see that nation came out
Speaker 1: of that hole. You know there's a maturity.
Speaker 2: You know what it is, cracked bell, it's bell, it's
Speaker 2: American standards.
Speaker 3: Competrious Philly, cracked my bell, crack my bell, open bitch,
Speaker 3: slapt pop Philly, Philly.
Speaker 1: Now that I want to be Oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Do you think Philly is Lana del Rey dressing normal
Speaker 2: but not as an ironic hipstery thing. It's like she
Speaker 2: has decided she has seen what cool is. She's been
Speaker 2: dressed by all the big designers, and now she is
Speaker 2: shopping at Target. I know, don't Okay?
Speaker 1: I think Philly is almost Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 2: Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 3: Yes, here's the thing that I think is wrong, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it. Or is Philly Tate McCrae. And
Speaker 3: then you go, wait, you know Arca, We're like I
Speaker 3: knew I like something about totally.
Speaker 1: Oh you're friends with ARCA.
Speaker 2: But I think that is more.
Speaker 1: I didn't you.
Speaker 3: Didn't give friends with Arca to me. Don't you think
Speaker 3: that that is that's the maturity.
Speaker 1: No, that is the maturity.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson's not totally right either. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: what is right Natalie and Bruglia, Katie.
Speaker 2: I mean, is it Adele? Oh?
Speaker 1: Maybe Philly is Adele, but that's because I don't identify
Speaker 1: with Adele. That is tough, and I do identify with
Speaker 1: phil what's keeping you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is keeping?
Speaker 1: I love it though, I'm just like, actually, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean she's fine, like it's it doesn't inspire hatred or love,
Speaker 1: but you don't. What about Bruno Mars?
Speaker 3: Does I feel like spire? I ride for Bruno acts
Speaker 3: a hot take? Say that you remember this? Erah, this
Speaker 3: is the duplex Aara say he was better for than
Speaker 3: Lady Gaga would be like song for a song, name
Speaker 3: me a Gaga song and there's a better Bruno song.
Speaker 1: I don't say by that. It was just fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've sort of agreed with it, but I do
Speaker 3: ride for Bruno.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I think I think Bruno is is properly Philly. I
Speaker 1: think that is a good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Bruno is Philly. Yeah, what is pink?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: God, there's something Midwestern about Yeah, there's something Midwest.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to go ahead and play pink
Speaker 2: after the Bruno in Philly.
Speaker 1: Well, they're gonna play it. But she doesn't. She doesn't
Speaker 1: symbolize the whole city is Philly.
Speaker 2: Rupol's drag race, mm.
Speaker 3: When twenty sixteen, Yeah, krupas drag Race twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: It's season A.
Speaker 2: It's bringing out the signs that say vote dot org.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's Bob winning after Violet vote dot org.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know, it to me
Speaker 1: is an essential Okay, here's another. Okay, I'm tying it
Speaker 1: to Fish ready, good, Okay, Philly.
Speaker 3: And if you read it with Josh up Toada too,
Speaker 3: if you pull that trifecta, that's gonna be funny.
Speaker 1: Well, this is on you. Potentially. Something that is always
Speaker 1: a sign of Philly, like a true, tried and true
Speaker 1: sign of Philly is walking around with shot glasses that
Speaker 1: are in like neon. Oh yeah, when I see that,
Speaker 1: I say, I am safely mark my location as in Philly,
Speaker 1: marked as safe from Hartly test tubes. And I actually
Speaker 1: think Fish is also they don't do shot glasses and
Speaker 1: test tubes. But the culture is similar.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely they do nitrous they do. They're sucking out
Speaker 3: of the balloons from the dentist, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: that's the that's the shot glass of the fish scene.
Speaker 2: It's sucking out of my loons. Is another track Slap
Speaker 2: Pop Philly.
Speaker 1: What about Philly? Is you think?
Speaker 2: What about Philly's balloons? Do we think? And now we're
Speaker 2: back to Fiona Apple.
Speaker 1: Now that's nonlinear question asking that's.
Speaker 2: You are amper standing boots with that one part that.
Speaker 1: Well, I just want to know what, like, are you
Speaker 1: going to try to incorporate something to symbolize to your
Speaker 1: the attendees of your show that you're there in Philly.
Speaker 3: Well, the Christmas Street of it all, it's so easy
Speaker 3: to do a two show night. Or you're seeing josharp
Speaker 3: Toda and then Holly box s brains at pieces, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like you could see an incredible
Speaker 3: queen or George would call them okay, and I'm not
Speaker 3: that's not a subweet at the queen I named earlier.
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, subtit by the way.
Speaker 1: Sub my tit did.
Speaker 3: You could see an incredible pieces drag queen post show
Speaker 3: any night of the week. You could go to Duplex
Speaker 3: and sing Roses Turn any night after, both before and
Speaker 3: after my show. Yeah, so it is sort of right
Speaker 3: in the peak neighborhood for for the Monster at all.
Speaker 1: You know why Fish doesn't connect with gay people? What, like,
Speaker 1: how do I say this?
Speaker 2: There's no like, I.
Speaker 1: Know there's a lead guy, but like he's not a diva.
Speaker 3: No, And it's a collective even though he's profoundly the
Speaker 3: lead guy. It's with a lot of like we I
Speaker 3: have built this machine and we're all evil parts. Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm the architect, but you know gay.
Speaker 1: People need like a hierarchy.
Speaker 2: Well yes, no, but there is something almost anti anti
Speaker 2: branding and anti capitalist about the whole machine because, for example,
Speaker 2: with The Grateful Dead, you might not know anything, but
Speaker 2: you know the Teddy Bears, the Rainbow the Rainbow Bears
Speaker 2: dancing around, Like do.
Speaker 1: You even know the Fish logo? Do I? That is?
Speaker 1: This is so cool? I literally don't.
Speaker 2: What is this is that?
Speaker 3: Maybe this speaks to it because something else they talked
Speaker 3: about the article is at the time they were getting big,
Speaker 3: they just talk about how much when like most bands,
Speaker 3: when they finally have like access, they would like make
Speaker 3: use of things. But they're like, oh, finally we have
Speaker 3: the freedom to do say not all the stuff.
Speaker 1: We want to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for thirty years they've demanded that every venue they're in,
Speaker 3: any forward facing ads to the audience are covered, so
Speaker 3: people go early and cover with curtains any like billboards
Speaker 3: or advertisements in the space.
Speaker 1: They're like, you should not come in and see like
Speaker 1: a coke ad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool, and every venue does it because they
Speaker 3: sell a billion tickets. So there's things like that where
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, you at a time when you be like,
Speaker 3: what's my brand deal, they're like, how do we eliminate
Speaker 3: brands from this magical space?
Speaker 1: Slay, No, that's cool. Slay kind of recurds too, don't
Speaker 1: but that happen the ones Lady Gaga could never well.
Speaker 2: First of all, I.
Speaker 3: Aeo lab or I want to go back to the
Speaker 3: logos from Mattress.
Speaker 2: But I do think that's a big part of why
Speaker 2: it's so siphoned off from the rest of culture is
Speaker 2: because there's like no advertising a bit. It's literally like
Speaker 2: by word of mouth, and if you know, you know.
Speaker 3: And even then you need a guide and even know,
Speaker 3: like even if your friends like listen to Fish, they'd
Speaker 3: have to like, but let me make the playlist, yes,
Speaker 3: or else you will go you will not get it.
Speaker 2: Community building. Where else are we seeing that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, other jam.
Speaker 3: Bands also, you know, weirdly, they've sort of invented festival culture, right,
Speaker 3: Like that is massive, the Coachella of it all. I
Speaker 3: mean also, you know Jane's Addiction. Did nobody wants to
Speaker 3: have that conversation? The originator of Lollapalooza.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this.
Speaker 3: It was originally a festival that Jain's Addiction started in
Speaker 3: the nineties and then became Lolla Plouza. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, Fish was showing throwing festivals that are only
Speaker 3: Fish and one hundred thousand people come.
Speaker 1: There's no other bands but Fish.
Speaker 3: But they do like build a village and there's like
Speaker 3: art and installations and weirdo shit happening. When Bonnaroo started,
Speaker 3: which sort of started the modern resurgence of the last
Speaker 3: twenty years of festivals, because they knew, because it was
Speaker 3: more of a jam band festival that it's inception. They
Speaker 3: went to Fish as people were like, how do you
Speaker 3: do a festival? And so Fish tap Bonnaroo and then
Speaker 3: now we have Coachella.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's so many weird things where it's like,
Speaker 3: it's crazy that fish is that girl. Until Billy Joel
Speaker 3: did the Billy Joel, they were the band that had
Speaker 3: most played the Garden.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: They played there like one hundred times and sold out
Speaker 3: every show. Whoa, I'm getting back checked again and I'm
Speaker 3: appreciate about it.
Speaker 1: And if only we could do that to the Cheeto
Speaker 1: and Chief.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if only. But he won't come on
Speaker 2: the podcast. He's afraid.
Speaker 1: Have you tried?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes tried. Could you imagine we haven't?
Speaker 3: What topic do you think he'd do? I think what
Speaker 3: if he did cheetahs?
Speaker 2: And it's like charming because he's making fun of himself and.
Speaker 1: He's like really self aware.
Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, what what topic would he do
Speaker 2: if he was really self aware? I guess he could
Speaker 2: do cheetos. He could do like apprenticing business business.
Speaker 1: I think it would be funny if like one day
Speaker 1: he got bonked on the head and like woke up
Speaker 1: and period, just as a physical gag. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: there's more, but just period. Well, if he gets bunked
Speaker 1: on the head. I'm on that part.
Speaker 2: I'm that part that part. No, he gets bunked on
Speaker 2: the head and wakes up. He's like, I want to
Speaker 2: do a run of my show.
Speaker 1: If you got bunked on the head and then was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, isn't it weird that I'm doing this?
Speaker 1: Like isn't it crazy? Like that would be really funny,
Speaker 1: little cartoon birds flying around.
Speaker 2: Dizzy eyes holds a press conference. Never mind, impressre's so good.
Speaker 1: That's in your new hour, right, yeah, here's mine never mind, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's really good. Here's my.
Speaker 2: And that's the title track from Fielding Apple's new record.
Speaker 2: She recorded it all at home with her dogs. That's
Speaker 2: the sound of the dog with the rest.
Speaker 3: The dog she had at that time, rest in power, power,
Speaker 3: that time, that time, at that time, that time.
Speaker 1: This is Trump pop.
Speaker 3: That's that's good, and set up that part.
Speaker 2: Maybe if Trump got bunked on the head, he would
Speaker 2: release Trump Pop Miami, This is Trump Pop.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's really good.
Speaker 2: Get your bonks out January sex.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's good. Terror in my anus. Ifs rolls off
Speaker 1: the tongue.
Speaker 2: Rolls off the tongue, that's another track. There we go
Speaker 2: rolls Royce off the tongue. That's a Kim Petra's track,
Speaker 2: Lick my Cheetoes.
Speaker 1: Way to be brought in. I can't wait for the
Speaker 1: intro to be Overady guests, please welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Philly's favorite comedian, Josh Sharp. Yes, I'll be playing the
Speaker 1: Philly Um Theater. Oh, I love that, Josh.
Speaker 3: To the Big Philly Theater right downtown.
Speaker 1: You can't miss it.
Speaker 3: It's just under uptown and it's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to Denver?
Speaker 1: Actually you can't ask some of that.
Speaker 2: George. I'm sorry to be so cute, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to Denver. Uh, there's no way around it. Because I'm
Speaker 2: seeing ryle O Khylie at Red Rocks.
Speaker 1: And when you posted about that, I thought you were kidding.
Speaker 2: No serious, that rules. And so we've been looking for
Speaker 2: where to stay and whatever are.
Speaker 3: They doing, like the twentieth anniversary of Black Light Tour
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't remember if it's it might be, but it
Speaker 2: guys need to.
Speaker 1: Get into Ryla Kylie Moore.
Speaker 3: That's like it's such a like like a you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Ryle O Kiley is one of I actually recently have
Speaker 2: this experience with Gossip bet Todo's band, where these are
Speaker 2: things I think everyone knows and everyone stands, and then
Speaker 2: you realize no one I saw Gossip. I posted it
Speaker 2: literally got one reply.
Speaker 3: I feel the same about The Knife, another band from
Speaker 3: that era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, never Knife. But so many gay guests have.
Speaker 2: Known so many gigs I don't know.
Speaker 3: They are like girls are at the raves and yeah,
Speaker 3: it's all good. It's all good anyway, fever Ray. That's yeah,
Speaker 3: let's that part.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. I'm coming clean.
Speaker 3: You should like you listen to Jenny Lewis at all.
Speaker 2: No, it's for a band you.
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 3: Because there are there is a class of gay guys
Speaker 3: not you. We now know who know Jenny Lewis and don't.
Speaker 2: Know, right Kylie All it's oh, it's like gay guys
Speaker 2: that know Caroline Polo Chepe but don't know Chairlift.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: And that is a that is a part.
Speaker 3: That part, that is such a that part. Yeah, what
Speaker 3: you just said is such. This is why we need
Speaker 3: it back because that is the response to that. My
Speaker 3: whole body screams that part.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Damn, that's so, that's so
Speaker 1: Walt Whitman of you so true, my whole body screaming
Speaker 1: that part.
Speaker 3: As I take loads in the Brooklyn Navy Yard.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: War Titman is another track off of Slup.
Speaker 3: Pop Cambridge back right, slapt pop Cambridge.
Speaker 2: Slop Pop Walden Pond. Actually it is coming out soon.
Speaker 1: Oh damn.
Speaker 3: How many grasses did I get out of a thousand?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If we said it, we got we went on, So
Speaker 3: we are sort of still in that segment.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's still non linear. Well we're liminal. We're still
Speaker 1: in that segment. Yeah, we can't.
Speaker 2: But I think because we're so liminal, we can't give
Speaker 2: you a number. I think that's Juris score was bear emoji?
Speaker 1: Understood? Yeah? Under still score was bear emoji. That's well, damn,
Speaker 1: that's what that is.
Speaker 2: That's either good or bad. That's either good or bad.
Speaker 2: What if you name your child either oh either, Oh
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 1: You hear you have to hear the mother yelling it.
Speaker 2: Out either and it also it is Actually.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a mother. I am the mother. I
Speaker 1: am the mother. Come through, RuPaul, come through, RuPaul, vote,
Speaker 1: I am the mother. Clack clack clack clack, clack. Vote vote,
Speaker 1: but seriously, you guys, get out there. Seriously, you guys,
Speaker 1: please vote. Should we do our final segment? How well
Speaker 1: I've lost track of lemon and so nonlinear? You tell
Speaker 1: me where we are? Where are we have time? Yeah?
Speaker 3: We should do our final any any lingering Fish notions?
Speaker 3: I mean really asking us just things that's very cute things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it is cute. I just want to know if there's
Speaker 3: anything that you needed addressed that didn't know I know,
Speaker 3: and I do feel like it was a touchstone for us. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it didn't need to be the bedrock. It
Speaker 3: was a touchstone. It was a touch if we're just
Speaker 3: making different sort of geological rock.
Speaker 2: Base touch my stone, by the way, was another.
Speaker 1: It was like a limestone layer, you know, good limestone bank.
Speaker 2: There we go, Oh my god, an the limestone festival
Speaker 2: in Bloomings, Indiana.
Speaker 1: You're literally just like sort of like fish.
Speaker 2: Can I ask something basic? What is the backstory of
Speaker 2: the name fish spelled with a pH?
Speaker 1: Great question? I don't know. Do you know that?
Speaker 7: I do a couple of different stories. But when they
Speaker 7: first started, so they started eighty three, and when they first.
Speaker 3: Started at Goddard College at Goddard.
Speaker 7: College, which had thirty three people in every year when
Speaker 7: they graduated.
Speaker 2: WHOA they wanted to be.
Speaker 7: That's why they wanted to be, and that's why.
Speaker 1: Everyone was just like what oh, and then it became Fish.
Speaker 1: This is news to me. I'm learning they wanted to
Speaker 1: be pish, do.
Speaker 2: Anything that's ahead of their time, because I'm thinking of
Speaker 2: that very pitchforky band that is three exclamation.
Speaker 1: Points, Yeah, yeah, t chick chick chick chick chick chat.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's so Fish.
Speaker 3: I love to learn that because even though I'm so
Speaker 3: tapped out of this scene, because it was like the
Speaker 3: thing I obsessed over from years like seventeen to twenty two.
Speaker 3: Like I think even now, if you played a live
Speaker 3: Fish recording, I would know the song and I probably
Speaker 3: could tell you the year and maybe month of it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, it's still a part
Speaker 3: of my brain that knows every single thing about this band.
Speaker 3: So to learn something new that's huge.
Speaker 1: That's that's huge for.
Speaker 3: Me in all of my as someone literate in the lore,
Speaker 3: I didn't know that part.
Speaker 1: That part that that part well, that's just like how
Speaker 1: we want to be called aeo lab and people kept
Speaker 1: saying stradio, Stradio.
Speaker 3: Lab, and so you just became Stradio Lab.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first time we ever sold out?
Speaker 1: One of many, one of many, slippery, slow, what a many?
Speaker 1: But seriously, you guys, how down the barrel?
Speaker 3: This episode has been you know, because you guys sold out. Now, yeah,
Speaker 3: you resisted that urge to make this one punk. And
Speaker 3: it's just so clear and cogent and literate. First time
Speaker 3: listeners would know every single word.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, this is the blueprint.
Speaker 1: This is blue blue, It's gonna be the FYC episode. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is well, you know, everything you touch becomes afore
Speaker 1: your consideration. That part, Okay, we should do our final segment.
Speaker 1: That part, Josh, Our final segment is called shout outs,
Speaker 1: and then this segment would be amashed to the grand
Speaker 1: straight tradition of the radio shout out, shouting out to
Speaker 1: anything that we are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas. Imaginally
Speaker 1: twousand one, you're in Times Square shouting out to your
Speaker 1: squad back home.
Speaker 3: What's made about that is I'm literally in Times Square
Speaker 3: right now. But it's twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: That's the part, Yes, it is, what part.
Speaker 3: That's the same, It's Times Square so that's the same.
Speaker 3: We're coming to your life from times.
Speaker 2: We are coming to your life from we are no
Speaker 2: cap no cap is that coming back?
Speaker 3: No, it's too fresh. But it couldn't like three. But
Speaker 3: I'm we're warm on bet being something. By the way
Speaker 3: I'm doing for you.
Speaker 2: By the way, no fap is another track, and bitch.
Speaker 1: People will get that that's beat. When you said profoundly earlier,
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of a pun and the
Speaker 1: only thing I got was propound me?
Speaker 2: Because the hell is wrong with you? Because ideas like
Speaker 2: that on the table.
Speaker 1: Because I was like, if I say pro pound me,
Speaker 1: no one's going to be like, that's profoundly. We would
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: Oh I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also there's so many lyrical directions there, like I
Speaker 2: am pro pound me. I am pro the idea of
Speaker 2: you pounding me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely propos.
Speaker 2: Being pounded, pro pound pro, I'm a pro pound me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Should we do? Okay? How do we do it? I'm
Speaker 1: like George, I don't have one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't either, Josh, I could do one.
Speaker 1: You want to go first, that's true, you need that.
Speaker 2: We always think of them on the spot. But of
Speaker 2: course I just had one come to me on the spot. Okay,
Speaker 2: go great, and this helped, you know, I came into
Speaker 2: early on the intro. I should come into early on
Speaker 2: the clothes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Don't you feel as if it bookends for the listener
Speaker 3: and especially the watcher.
Speaker 1: It gives a bookend?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. Shout out to Love on the Spectrum.
Speaker 3: It's the greatest show on television. I'm so happy it's back.
Speaker 3: These are my absolute friends, y'all. This is the friends
Speaker 3: cast to me is Love on the Spectrum. Talk about
Speaker 3: a warm bath. I'm spending time with David, with Abby,
Speaker 3: with Tanner, with Connor. I'm loving my life. All of
Speaker 3: the new people are so good. I was weeping like
Speaker 3: I'm reading the New Yorker Fish article watching this season
Speaker 3: of Love on the Spectrum. I wish every person would
Speaker 3: watch that show. I think it is so that part
Speaker 3: the best.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, shouts out to all of them. I would
Speaker 3: love to meet or work with any of you. Please
Speaker 3: find me. Run up to me in a public space
Speaker 3: with a weapon if you need. I want to know you.
Speaker 3: I want to be friends with you, and I want
Speaker 3: to celebrate.
Speaker 1: You most of all. I have also been. I started
Speaker 1: season one like two weeks ago, and I love it.
Speaker 1: It is the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am very fish about it. Where it's like
Speaker 3: I have such earnest admiration for the show and the
Speaker 3: people on it, and they're so funny.
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's it's really nice. They're so funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have one.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank God, what's up?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep going with via television theme. What's up,
Speaker 2: television viewers? I want to give a shout out to
Speaker 2: this very particular state that I can will my brain
Speaker 2: to be in. It is it. It is a version
Speaker 2: of the Sunken Place, but it is I think as
Speaker 2: a little mourgeois de vive, and I have been accessing
Speaker 2: it every night over the last calendar month, when every
Speaker 2: night I am watching Family Guy on Hulu. Dot se
Speaker 2: to me, I am on season I didn't start from
Speaker 2: the very beginning, but regardless of very I started, I'm
Speaker 2: on season eleven. I'm watching it. I am letting it AutoPlay,
Speaker 2: and I am fully watching Family Guy by myself on
Speaker 2: my computer in bed.
Speaker 1: As God intended, I.
Speaker 2: Am shutting off any part of my brain that is
Speaker 2: reacting to anything, and it is washing over me the
Speaker 2: same way, honestly, a warm bath wood. I think when
Speaker 2: I am ready to comment on what I'm seeing, I
Speaker 2: will activate. But for now I am in this very
Speaker 2: special brain state that I think leminals very liminal and
Speaker 2: is very ampersand and I think rather than judging myself
Speaker 2: for it, I am going to sit in it and
Speaker 2: see what comes of it.
Speaker 1: Wow, whoop, that is crazy preactivated? Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2: You want to see people, If you want to see
Speaker 2: people look shocked, if you want to see the light
Speaker 2: drain from people's face, tell them you've been watching family
Speaker 2: guy people on all communities. We're talking gay, straight, all mainstream, old, young.
Speaker 2: I've never seen a reaction like that, and I've done
Speaker 2: many things that that are.
Speaker 1: You've done a thing? Okay, what's up? Freaks, losers and
Speaker 1: perverts around the globe. I would like to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to you know that thing when you wake
Speaker 1: up and you're like really stressed out and it's like
Speaker 1: three am and you're like, why am I awake? And
Speaker 1: then you lay there. I want to give a shout
Speaker 1: out to getting up and saying you know what, enough,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do stuff. We didn't get up, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fucking do stuff until I get tired. And I
Speaker 1: find that this is a much more productive way stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm well, one, I'm reading it. Sometimes I'm jerking it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm having a beautiful water. Sometimes I'm journaling. Sometimes
Speaker 1: as soon as I write down like everything that's running
Speaker 1: through my mind, I'm like, oh that's it, Okay, time
Speaker 1: for bed. You need to download. You basically just have
Speaker 1: to like walk around and be like, okay, enough, just
Speaker 1: laying here, and then I have a book. I've got
Speaker 1: a little life from my books so that I can
Speaker 1: read it without waking up Misha. And it is an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing feeling to just lean in and honestly, sometimes when
Speaker 1: your mind is racing, you actually are having good ideas
Speaker 1: and you just have to roll with it because you
Speaker 1: can't you can't know when the spirit of creativity is
Speaker 1: going to enter you. So when you wake up at
Speaker 1: three am, just roll with it. XXO.
Speaker 3: I'm an adherent of this, but it's a practice. They
Speaker 3: can't you can't always follow because it's happening in a space,
Speaker 3: a liminal space where your mind is not always your mind.
Speaker 3: So there's times for the next day. I forget that.
Speaker 3: I know this is the north Star and I'm so
Speaker 3: frustrated to not have you know, pointed pointed my sled
Speaker 3: dogs towards it.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just read on Billboard that Limanal
Speaker 2: Billboard limb Anal Space has just premiered and it's the
Speaker 2: lead single of slipt Pop.
Speaker 1: Cambridge woom Anal Space Space. That's good. Wow. If anybody
Speaker 1: out there has a lot of time and a Photoshop account,
Speaker 1: we would love for you to make an album cover
Speaker 1: with the track list of all the tracks that we
Speaker 1: have named today.
Speaker 3: I want the tracks b www dot Josh Sharptona dot com.
Speaker 3: That is rare on this graphic that you will share
Speaker 3: far and wide on the dot com dot com.
Speaker 1: Perfect okay, perfect, Well, everyone go see Josh's show and.
Speaker 3: Tickets on sale now, tickets recently on sale at the
Speaker 3: moment that this episode is coming.
Speaker 2: Out Josh Sharp Today dot com.
Speaker 1: Yep. And you know I need this stradio.
Speaker 3: A lot of freaks there, honestly, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: say this on this podcast and and no else, y'all
Speaker 3: will get the show more than every other podcast audience.
Speaker 2: We know that the girls know.
Speaker 1: You're going on Exploration Live and you're saying that.
Speaker 2: Exact same ship. You're on The Daily and you're saying,
Speaker 2: Michael Barbara, your listeners are going to absolutely freak.
Speaker 3: You know, the Daily listeners will hate my show. And
Speaker 3: I will tell that to Michael Barbarrow. I'll say it
Speaker 3: to his face. I'm here to talk about the topic
Speaker 3: of the day, but not my show. I do not
Speaker 3: want your listeners there. Say to Barbaro, do you think
Speaker 3: you could turn him gay again? I think he's got
Speaker 3: some cues. I think some cues.
Speaker 1: He is like ampers encoded.
Speaker 2: He is so and down.
Speaker 1: Have you had him on? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually no, well we had him on, but it
Speaker 2: was a bad episode and ended up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was mutually agreed upon from both parties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we told him to fuck off. Is this
Speaker 1: known or I cannot?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what y'all podcast Queen's be doing. Y'all have,
Speaker 3: y'all have a community.
Speaker 1: Y'all are the fish.
Speaker 3: You know there's a y'all are the fish.
Speaker 1: Y'all are the well Michael barbro it's an open Invite's.
Speaker 3: An open invite, Actually, Barbara, you can come to opening night.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna save you a ticket in the front waiting
Speaker 3: for Govment style. If Barbarow comes reserved for barbar.
Speaker 1: Oh, that'll be nice. And every night you look and
Speaker 1: he's not there and you're like, fuck, I guess this
Speaker 1: one's just for me. Well, Josh, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: doing the podcast.
Speaker 3: My God a blessing, an absolute blessing, and to be
Speaker 3: in the i RL kind of way.
Speaker 1: Thank God.
Speaker 2: And I just want to say thank you everyone who
Speaker 2: has participated in the week of Stradio Lab six and
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Speaker 2: play fish style.
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