Speaker 1: Pumpkin or sweet potato? Are these takes that have been
Speaker 1: circulating around this team and around this game? Do they
Speaker 1: have substance? Are they sweet potato or are they pumpkin?
Speaker 1: Which means they got nothing nothing right? And that leads
Speaker 1: us nicely into Farmer Fred in the pie bake off
Speaker 1: of the Century.
Speaker 2: Fred, you baked what purpose sweet potato? Pot baby?
Speaker 1: That's on this episode? Make sure you check it out.
Speaker 1: Welcome into the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here
Speaker 1: with Santana Moss who is in a kind of a
Speaker 1: subdued fit today but still looking good. And then Fred smooth,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You got iron kept an America shirt?
Speaker 3: I'm most definitely I'm a Marvel guy. You know that
Speaker 3: I'm most definitely. I love comic books.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite Marvel? Who'd you say last week?
Speaker 1: Pool is your favorite guy?
Speaker 4: I actually called him.
Speaker 3: If I was Ado, I would be Fred Pool, Like
Speaker 3: that would be my name, most definitely because he's funny,
Speaker 3: Well because he gonna he gonna say people whow cracking
Speaker 3: jokes and how would probably be like that would be
Speaker 3: me totally.
Speaker 2: I would do it. And I blurred the line between
Speaker 2: good guy and bad guys, so I'll be anti. So
Speaker 2: that's why I.
Speaker 1: Think it is Antenna. You're a big movie guy. Are
Speaker 1: you a Marvel movie guy? I watched them all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watch everything. But you don't, like, you're not super
Speaker 1: pumped on the Marvel. You were like, that's the least
Speaker 1: pumped I've seen you about.
Speaker 5: It because it's like real like, but that's why you
Speaker 5: get lost love it, because it's not love it when
Speaker 5: it comes to just you know, when they bring film
Speaker 5: out the film at the film but you watch it
Speaker 5: sometime you get blown away like, Okay, none of this.
Speaker 4: Don't really happen.
Speaker 1: But like you know with like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: Armageddon or something like that. You know, like that's not
Speaker 1: really gonna happen either.
Speaker 5: No, But I just love movies. I love anything that's
Speaker 5: have a great storyline, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So what's your what's your movie you're watching right now?
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, the last movie I watched? Let me see
Speaker 4: last show I.
Speaker 1: Watchcause you were talking about something recently.
Speaker 5: Shot I watched No shot calls a great Yeah, it
Speaker 5: happened that recently. But I was just telling you look
Speaker 5: like the guy when he got.
Speaker 2: His when I painted his face, paint his face with.
Speaker 4: The tattoos and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Great opera. Himan was the last one I watched.
Speaker 1: Oh was that good?
Speaker 4: So good?
Speaker 2: It was so good, so thrilling.
Speaker 3: And come on, man, if you the man that designed
Speaker 3: the Man, the whipping of man, the ultimate whapon of
Speaker 3: mass destruction, his consciousness eating it's just eating them apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you heard that quote that he gave, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna butcher it. But it's like, you know, I am
Speaker 1: the harbinger of death.
Speaker 2: Yes, most definitely.
Speaker 1: Dude, that's got to be such a crazy I haven't
Speaker 1: seen the movie yet, but I'm just like just.
Speaker 2: That been at the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 3: So he feels like he is the person that destroyed
Speaker 3: the world. Like he feel like, if the world ever
Speaker 3: get destroyed, he's the reason.
Speaker 1: You imagine, just like like your life's work and that's
Speaker 1: the thing that comes out of it.
Speaker 3: So smart, so dedicated. But then you created yeah, the
Speaker 3: ultimate but.
Speaker 1: Obviously you give like nuclear energy is a big like
Speaker 1: positive byproduct of that. But it's like, oh, man, that's
Speaker 1: gotta be.
Speaker 4: Who wants to be the person behind destroying the world.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like I think because that's where like
Speaker 1: he's he's promoting good science. He's promoting but it just
Speaker 1: show you some.
Speaker 4: People in this world.
Speaker 2: No, it ain't even up. It's just like you got
Speaker 2: a gift in a curse like this.
Speaker 3: The thing that's the gift of being gifted is it
Speaker 3: can't become.
Speaker 5: But he could put that to better use, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like you gifted, Well he did think
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 2: We got nuclear like energy energy coming from So it
Speaker 2: wasn't all bad. It's just you know, just a situation.
Speaker 1: What is so speaking of all bad and all good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gott to talk about the Bears game, and I
Speaker 1: know we don't really want to talk.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that was Openheimer infants.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It wasn't great. But what I do
Speaker 1: think comes out of a game like this is there's
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of like hot takes right, Like
Speaker 1: a lot of really people being you know, super negative
Speaker 1: or super positive, and the games aren't. It's not like
Speaker 1: that when you're when you're playing the NFL, when you're
Speaker 1: on a team, like we've all been a part of
Speaker 1: bad losses right there, and there's a it just happens sometimes.
Speaker 1: And so what we're gonna do is we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a we're gonna play a game, and it's called Pumpkin
Speaker 1: because why friend, it's useless anywhere on Earth. I don't
Speaker 1: totally agree with that assessment. But for this game, pumpkin
Speaker 1: means it's a it's an empty take. There's no nutrients,
Speaker 1: so substance behind it. Or sweet potato, sweet potatoes, full.
Speaker 3: Of substance, full of life. It is totally different, A
Speaker 3: full of life.
Speaker 1: And I guess the important thing to note here is
Speaker 1: we're not saying fans can't be upset, because you can
Speaker 1: be upset. We're upset.
Speaker 4: We're just emotionally attached to the game.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But we are trying to give like some good
Speaker 1: detailed analysis here and say, like, sometimes people are just
Speaker 1: saying stuff and they have no understanding of what's actually
Speaker 1: going on. So let's talk about this first one. I
Speaker 1: think this is the first one that really kind of
Speaker 1: encapsulates this. So I hear fans say this all the time.
Speaker 1: Go to the grocery store, people say, hey, you know, Logan,
Speaker 1: what you think of the game, And they say, all,
Speaker 1: I think you know that. The fans say, I don't
Speaker 1: think they wanted it enough. I don't think they want it.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 3: I can talked to it the grocer store all the time,
Speaker 3: like people be like, what happened?
Speaker 2: What did you what you want me to do? We
Speaker 2: investable out, No, don't do that to me.
Speaker 1: So don't didn't want it enough? Is that a pumpkin
Speaker 1: or potato? Take? And I'd like to get your reasoning
Speaker 1: as to why pumpkin pumpkin?
Speaker 3: Because these are the one percent alf of males in
Speaker 3: the world losing.
Speaker 2: Option all right.
Speaker 3: We don't like to lose. We don't ever want to
Speaker 3: go out in the place and be dominated a right,
Speaker 3: So it's most definitely empty catteries. There's nothing there these guys,
Speaker 3: if it was up to them, they'll go sim teaming
Speaker 3: up like this how they feel, all right, So they'll
Speaker 3: never show up on the field and not want.
Speaker 4: To win a game.
Speaker 1: That's I totally agree. I mean, I mean, how do
Speaker 1: you feel too?
Speaker 4: I agree with it too.
Speaker 5: I also just think know when it comes down to
Speaker 5: when a fan or whoever may say they didn't want
Speaker 5: it enough, it's all about just the energy that you
Speaker 5: showed that show that. It's not necessarily saying that didn't
Speaker 5: want it. But as a player, if you show that
Speaker 5: kind of effort, then that leads up to that kind
Speaker 5: of conversation. You didn't You didn't want it because you
Speaker 5: came out there flat. You know, you hear these guys saying, yeah,
Speaker 5: we was flat. But why you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: you understood that the guys they were the guys said, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, we was flat.
Speaker 2: It was a short week.
Speaker 3: I think that fifth quarter, the fifth quarter in field
Speaker 3: of death, you meant more then people think it meant.
Speaker 4: So now that goes back to ship run have went
Speaker 4: for two?
Speaker 2: You don't know until you know, like you do that
Speaker 2: If you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think. You know, guys wanted they
Speaker 1: want to win the game, whatever your option.
Speaker 5: You want to win one only one. One goal we
Speaker 5: all come come here to play this game is to
Speaker 5: be winners. We don't come here to say, okay, man,
Speaker 5: hey I want to.
Speaker 3: And I don't work Monday through Friday to just sit
Speaker 3: here and not try to win the game.
Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, what.
Speaker 3: People need to understand is what we do every week,
Speaker 3: every day. The time we put into this game.
Speaker 2: Is a piece of us. We leave a piece of
Speaker 2: us every time we come.
Speaker 1: I think about it, It's like when I was playing,
Speaker 1: and this is maybe just my personal experience, my identity
Speaker 1: was being tied to being a football player and a
Speaker 1: good football Yeah, you know, like I want to go
Speaker 1: out there and beat the man across from me, Like
Speaker 1: that's what it is. I'm not always going to do it,
Speaker 1: but my goal, my prep, the countless hours, it all
Speaker 1: goes into that. So I don't think anyone goes out
Speaker 1: there and says, man, you know what I want to
Speaker 1: do this week. I want to get blown out.
Speaker 2: But I want to lose.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I will say this player too, as a football player,
Speaker 5: because you know, everything that we do is predicated on
Speaker 5: how the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean. We can't you can.
Speaker 5: You can, you can be flawless, you can have no
Speaker 5: no catches caught on you, no touchdowns, and we lose
Speaker 5: and we like Fred didn't have a good talk. You
Speaker 5: go out there and watch the femily like, well damn
Speaker 5: Fred showed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're on a team where you used to
Speaker 5: having those kind of outputs from your team, but you're
Speaker 5: you're the stud, You're the guy that's always showing up,
Speaker 5: then you kind of get lost in that.
Speaker 4: Hey, you get as long as I handle my business,
Speaker 4: but that's not.
Speaker 5: No one goals just to be like, I'm going to
Speaker 5: do my job and we went on and lose. You
Speaker 5: have to sometime we live up to that because you're like,
Speaker 5: because I've been on those teams before, you've been on
Speaker 5: those teams if you were, Look, I got to go
Speaker 5: out here and shine regardless because we don't know. We
Speaker 5: can't dictate what happens when that score.
Speaker 3: I think people forget that we are independent contractors. We
Speaker 3: independent contractors, but we're also a team and that's the
Speaker 3: difference in it. And we win and we lose together,
Speaker 3: so therefore it don't matter. Like you just said, we're
Speaker 3: grouped together.
Speaker 2: We lost. We all stuck like we balled out.
Speaker 3: Some guys go out there and stink it up on
Speaker 3: the games that we balled out. They get just as
Speaker 3: much love as the rest of us for that game.
Speaker 3: So it's just one of those things where fans please understand,
Speaker 3: we won't win every week.
Speaker 1: And to that point, I don't think that's necessarily a
Speaker 1: bad thing. I think if you go out there and
Speaker 1: are trying to win your individual matchup, like that's good
Speaker 1: for the team. It's good for you and it's good
Speaker 1: for the team. So I think fans say, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: like that guy cares about himself. Like no, like if
Speaker 1: he's playing his best football, he cares about everyone, cares
Speaker 1: about everybody.
Speaker 5: It takes eleven of us to go out there and
Speaker 5: get the job accomplished on on both sides phases. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but if you're that guy that's just continuously putting that
Speaker 5: effort above everybody else, it's.
Speaker 4: Going to stand out. So it's like Chase, we need
Speaker 4: everybody to be having that same kind of energy, you understand.
Speaker 1: He's like Chase, Like Chase Young probably had the best
Speaker 1: game of his career against Chicago, right, Yeah, he had.
Speaker 1: I think he had fifty percent pressure rate and so on.
Speaker 1: Every pastor said he was in he won half the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that kind of gets lost in the sauce here.
Speaker 1: But if everybody plays like that, yeah, you win, you win.
Speaker 2: You're gonna win the game. You have to do it.
Speaker 2: It's a union.
Speaker 3: You have to be organically put together that you play
Speaker 3: off each other. And that's why I think we fail
Speaker 3: in it right now, Like we have these individual bursts.
Speaker 3: Everybody's starts to make these plays, but I haven't seen
Speaker 3: us play that total game.
Speaker 5: Like prime example. I don't want to cut y'all. Want
Speaker 5: to get this in before we move on. As a receiver,
Speaker 5: you can win. You can win every rep. You can
Speaker 5: go out there. And I used to go home and
Speaker 5: get in the car. My homeboys, they sit right in
Speaker 5: the stands. You know them, Well, Tanner, I got you.
Speaker 5: I'm recording this like you're beating your guy the quarterback.
Speaker 4: Matter ain't done nothing. Like you look at the stat sheet, Tanna,
Speaker 4: you ain't do nothing. You ain't show up.
Speaker 5: It's three weeks now, you ain't show up. It's not
Speaker 5: my fault getting the ball. So it's a team effort.
Speaker 5: And that's why at the end of the day when
Speaker 5: it all balls down, you look at it and say, well,
Speaker 5: you didn't do anything.
Speaker 4: Whether you did something or not, we didn't win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what it's about.
Speaker 1: So I think I think just saying they don't want it,
Speaker 1: it's kind of lazy.
Speaker 2: It's lazy.
Speaker 1: You're understanding. You don't understand the guys. He the players,
Speaker 1: be the coaches, like they all want to win, like
Speaker 1: they want to win this game. It's not because they
Speaker 1: don't want it enough, they're putting time in, they're getting
Speaker 1: after it.
Speaker 4: This one.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of interesting. And I think so
Speaker 1: the short week when someone says it's a short week,
Speaker 1: is that a pumpkin take? Or is that a sweet potato?
Speaker 3: No, that's this sweet potato. Because but I watched team
Speaker 3: play bad Thursday night football. Ah, I watched guys play
Speaker 3: Thursday night football all year and all of it is
Speaker 3: bad football. And you talk about playing on a Sunday,
Speaker 3: we played five quarters. You come and Monday ain't off.
Speaker 3: You got a half day Monday, you come back Tuesday, Wednesday.
Speaker 2: What you walk through I mean?
Speaker 3: And then Thursday you're playing, like, come on, man, it's
Speaker 3: a lot of the human body. And I think because
Speaker 3: we play the game the way we play it, and
Speaker 3: we so free spirited and wild doing it that people
Speaker 3: think we could do it every other day, you cannot.
Speaker 3: It's a reason why it's only seventeen games in the season.
Speaker 5: It's a reason I didn't care about the Thursday because
Speaker 5: I knew I had the people that to repair everything
Speaker 5: that I lost or left on the field.
Speaker 4: Everybody don't have that. Chicago had it. I don't know
Speaker 4: what what I don't know what they had, they did
Speaker 4: something they.
Speaker 2: Got doctor doctor Wilson.
Speaker 5: It was a different it was a different type of
Speaker 5: energy with them because they just knew Man. Everything relied
Speaker 5: on that game they was on for and they had
Speaker 5: nothing to lose.
Speaker 3: They had lost fourteenth straight. Like you don't want to
Speaker 3: fight the wounded animal.
Speaker 5: I say, I would say for us it was kind
Speaker 5: of a gift and a curse for us to play
Speaker 5: us was we did in Philly because those guys kind
Speaker 5: of got you know happy, they kind of was satisfied
Speaker 5: with what they did and allowed. And I'm not saying
Speaker 5: this is this is really this is just my opinion.
Speaker 5: They allowed that to trinkle over into the next week.
Speaker 5: And when you watch them practice a little bit, you
Speaker 5: watched a couple of the you know they was happy
Speaker 5: they was out there.
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't have to This is why I don't
Speaker 2: believe it.
Speaker 5: More of why that word we used to hate when
Speaker 5: Coach Gibbs made us put on pass and made us
Speaker 5: hit if they after you know what I mean, We
Speaker 5: used to hate it. But now I look at them
Speaker 5: like certain guys need that You need to understand, this
Speaker 5: is not a what you call a country clubs come
Speaker 5: out here and baby you, Yeah, we're gonna push it
Speaker 5: through rigorous times, hard times. So come Thursday or come
Speaker 5: Sunday or come Monday, when it gets hard, it's gonna
Speaker 5: always feel the same, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 5: I just feel like, to the fans credit when they
Speaker 5: say they didn't want it enough, that's what they saw.
Speaker 5: They saw a team came out saying that we're gonna
Speaker 5: we can be ourselves and skate through this game and
Speaker 5: still get it done, and that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would just add a little bit more
Speaker 1: analysis to the short week. So one, I think the
Speaker 1: level of opponent was a big deal. I think playing
Speaker 1: Philadelphia division rival is a big deal. I think the
Speaker 1: physicality of that Eagles offensive line and defensive line is
Speaker 1: something that can't really be measured, but it definitely shows up.
Speaker 1: Like last you know, last season, they had the opponents
Speaker 1: following Philly games were like eighty percent losing. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They lost eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 1: It was a big statistical number. And I think there
Speaker 1: is an element to that physicality of it. You can
Speaker 1: be that the emotional high The other thing I think,
Speaker 1: you know, all short weeks aren't created equal. We had
Speaker 1: to travel to Philly, so they had to get on
Speaker 1: a plane to go up there. They'd got enough plane
Speaker 1: to come back, and that does stunt your recovery. Getting
Speaker 1: on that play is not great for recovery. And Chicago
Speaker 1: played at home last week against a team that's not
Speaker 1: quite as good as the Philadelphia Eagles, So I think
Speaker 1: all that matters the fifth quarter. I think that's another
Speaker 1: huge variable, just prolonging that game, prolonging the emotional kind
Speaker 1: of adrenal high of the game. So it's not all
Speaker 1: the same, and it's again it's not an excuse, but
Speaker 1: I think adding a little bit of context is super
Speaker 1: important because in addition to it being a short week,
Speaker 1: the defensive line is playing about fifteen percent more per
Speaker 1: game this season than they were last season, So that
Speaker 1: is going to have a way of effect. And you
Speaker 1: can tell guys are a little bit. You know, anybody
Speaker 1: on the defense that I thought played well, I thought
Speaker 1: the defensive line played well, Like Montees had a good game,
Speaker 1: Chase had a good game, Pain had a good game,
Speaker 1: Allen was a little bit kind of in the middle.
Speaker 1: But what I will say is you could see at
Speaker 1: times tired.
Speaker 2: They were gassed. Yeah, they would, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: And I think it's not just the short week. It's
Speaker 1: the short week in conjunction with the travel, in conjunction
Speaker 1: with the extra quarter, in conjunction with playing over the
Speaker 1: four over the first five games of the season.
Speaker 5: And then one thing you can say too from last year,
Speaker 5: just what stands out to me is the one thing
Speaker 5: that we did well on defense last year was getting
Speaker 5: off the field.
Speaker 4: On third down. Yeah, we're not at the percentage rate.
Speaker 5: I don't know it. I don't know about it. I'm
Speaker 5: pretty sure you good with those numbers. It's glaring different. No, no,
Speaker 5: it's terrible.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, anytime we're playing double digit drives
Speaker 3: meaning ten plays, eleven plays, twelve plays, it don't work
Speaker 3: well for us.
Speaker 2: Like on defense, it wears us down.
Speaker 3: And that when we start to mistackles, this when we
Speaker 3: start to not be in the gaps. This is when
Speaker 3: we start to not communicate. This when we get in
Speaker 3: self survival mode. And when anytime defense is in self
Speaker 3: survival mode, we're not working together. We're gonna get butchered
Speaker 3: just the way it goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that, and I think The
Speaker 1: other thing is that the offense didn't play very well.
Speaker 1: I think they went three and out the first two drives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that just being an offensive player sitting in those meetings
Speaker 1: with Kyle, with Jay, with Sean talking through that is
Speaker 1: tough on the defense when that's happening, Right, You're adding
Speaker 1: a level of fatigue to a group that's already fatigued
Speaker 1: if they're struggling, and we can kind of settle down
Speaker 1: going a nice eight, nine, ten play drive even if
Speaker 1: we don't score. Yeah, you just let everybody kind of
Speaker 1: settle in. That's a huge deal. And then the defense
Speaker 1: didn't get that, you know, And so I think there's
Speaker 1: there's a there's a multitude of things happening.
Speaker 3: Logan, you brought some up right there and did what
Speaker 3: you don't realize when the defense plays that many snaps
Speaker 3: don't forget the defense is eighty percent of the special teams.
Speaker 3: So now you got two groups scruggling, two groups trying
Speaker 3: to trying to wear the game out, trying to wear
Speaker 3: through it.
Speaker 2: So I think it's one of them things where it's
Speaker 2: just a carryo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So I do think short week is a
Speaker 1: is a sweet potato take. But once you add a
Speaker 1: little bit of context to it, it becomes a true
Speaker 1: sweet potato take. So again, it is a It is
Speaker 1: a factor for sure. So this is one that I've
Speaker 1: heard a lot, and you know, on our shows and
Speaker 1: all the stuff we've got on the comments on the
Speaker 1: YouTube page. Get this a ton The defense is bad.
Speaker 1: And so I'll start this because I think I know
Speaker 1: what you're both gonna say. I think this is a
Speaker 1: is a pumpkin take. And this is why I'll say that.
Speaker 1: I think I look at the Buffalo game and I
Speaker 1: say they were sixteen zero going to the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: after the offense had given up four turnovers. And to me,
Speaker 1: that is good defensive about is great against the team
Speaker 1: that's probably going to be in contention first or too well,
Speaker 1: yeah right. You look at the Philadelphia game. In the
Speaker 1: first half of that game, they I think they scored
Speaker 1: seven points the second they started hitting explosive plays, which
Speaker 1: a good team. It's gonna be hard to hard to
Speaker 1: mitigate explosive plays on a rookie player versus you know,
Speaker 1: Devonte Smith exposed to play right four half that these
Speaker 1: to three points. AJ Brown explosive play leads to a touchdown.
Speaker 1: AJ Brown exposive play leads to a touchdown that totally
Speaker 1: changes the complexion of the game. When they were able
Speaker 1: to limit explosives in that Philly game, they were awesome.
Speaker 1: Swift only had fifty yards fifty six yards rushing in
Speaker 1: that game after being second in the NFL and yards
Speaker 1: per attempt and yards per game. So I think that
Speaker 1: there is again, there's context to everything. And I'm not
Speaker 1: making an excuse for the screw. I'm not making an
Speaker 1: excuse for them because they didn't play well against the Bears.
Speaker 4: They did not.
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is, I don't think Tanny,
Speaker 1: you said this on the show the other day on
Speaker 1: the Command Center, this the Bears game is not reflective
Speaker 1: of this team. The Philly the the the Bills game
Speaker 1: are more reflective of what this defense can and it's
Speaker 1: capable of doing. And this, to me is the outlier.
Speaker 1: It's not the rules. So when they say defense is bad,
Speaker 1: I think they didn't play well against the Bears.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that day, that day, they was bad. I don't
Speaker 5: think they bad as a whole. I mean, you hit
Speaker 5: a spot right on the head. I mean, if you
Speaker 5: look at certain things, what caused them to be you
Speaker 5: know in those situations you spot on Philly, the explosives
Speaker 5: killed us, killed them. And I mean just before the half,
Speaker 5: I said that, me and me and be misters sitting
Speaker 5: there and I'm they Devontae Smith quarter or didn't catch it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't whatever it was they ball hit.
Speaker 5: The ground, but those three points. I said, that's right, Doug,
Speaker 5: gonna come back up what we lost the game by.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So like you have to look at certain situations and
Speaker 5: what lead up to it.
Speaker 4: That that Bears game. It was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was sitting right in front of our face.
Speaker 5: The office wasn't on the feel long enough that defense
Speaker 5: kept coming back out there and they was hitting them
Speaker 5: with daggers. It wasn't like no, just okay, we're gonna
Speaker 5: trinkle now. It was like boom, yeah, boom. So you know,
Speaker 5: as a whole, I've seen this defense play better. You know,
Speaker 5: we've seen this defense play better. But I do I
Speaker 5: truly believe whatever was going on Thursday week, that fifth
Speaker 5: quarter and Philly, whatever it was, that's not who you
Speaker 5: hang your hat on. So that's the team that we
Speaker 5: know they can be. That's not out team they're gonna
Speaker 5: be better than that.
Speaker 2: Well, here go, I gotta keep it one hundred.
Speaker 3: I'm going totally left from what y'all hear them think
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: The defense is not bad paying bad.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, if I told you
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year that Sam Howe a
Speaker 3: week five was gonna have more passing yards than Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 3: more passing hall yours, Jalen Hurts more passing yards than
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, what would our record be. We would all
Speaker 3: say four to one, five and oh something like. We
Speaker 3: hung our hat on this defense. We said, this defense
Speaker 3: is gonna be what makes this team go.
Speaker 2: It's gonna do it. They haven't showed up.
Speaker 3: And the thing that's making me so mad about it is,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen them play as a unit.
Speaker 2: I've seen them.
Speaker 3: Make plays individually. I've seen them like to come together
Speaker 3: as a unit. That's the one thing I can say
Speaker 3: about the defenses I played with. We played together, all right.
Speaker 3: We understood how to have each other back. We weren't
Speaker 3: leaving nobody hanging. It was eleven versus eleven, and we
Speaker 3: understood that. I'm just saying, if we had to say
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year, with a new offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator in a young quarterback who was gonna lead this team.
Speaker 3: It was the defense. Until this day, they hasn't. They
Speaker 3: haven't stood up.
Speaker 2: This year right now and said we are who we are.
Speaker 1: And I agree, like I agree with everything that tennis.
Speaker 1: I agree with my thoughts obviously, but I also agree
Speaker 1: with you, like there is a there. They are underperforming
Speaker 1: expectations while not being a bad group. I think they're
Speaker 1: underperforming what we thought they would be, and I think
Speaker 1: that's tough. That's tough to negotiate that kind of that
Speaker 1: gray area. But saying they're terrible, saying they're not good,
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhat of a mischaracterization.
Speaker 2: Well, just the one thing about sports, we keep score.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and right now the thirty, the thirtieth rank, thirty
Speaker 3: first ranked defense.
Speaker 4: They haven't been.
Speaker 3: Playing wheel and somebody got to hold him to a standard,
Speaker 3: like come on, dude, now, y'all got to show up.
Speaker 1: But I also think again, like this is and we're
Speaker 1: just talking shop here and I'm not again not making
Speaker 1: excuses here. They've played good teams, the Bills, Eagles, good
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the elite, top quarterbacks in the league. And
Speaker 1: when you play top quarterbacks. Like again, that's this is
Speaker 1: something I think we I brought up in our analysis
Speaker 1: this offseason. But when you're playing good quarterbacks and good offenses,
Speaker 1: defenses just can't keep up. It's very rare that a
Speaker 1: good defense can match a good quarterback. Like you can
Speaker 1: see a good defense take care of the quarterback with
Speaker 1: being you to his wheel one hundred percent. And so
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm saying. It's like, you expect
Speaker 1: there to be production from those offenses. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the level of production is a little surprising. I go
Speaker 1: back to the Bells game still, and because its probablycause
Speaker 1: I'm an offensive player, the offense played so bad. I
Speaker 1: can't I don't know how you expect the defense to
Speaker 1: do anything.
Speaker 2: But when you turn the ball all over four times,
Speaker 2: you lose it five times.
Speaker 1: They'll turn it over five times.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, You're going to lose the game.
Speaker 3: But at one point does the defense say, you know what,
Speaker 3: we got your back. Because we knew y'all was going
Speaker 3: to start off the little slow. You got a young quarterback,
Speaker 3: We got this. We were supposed to be the big
Speaker 3: brother yea and were supposed to protake the house.
Speaker 5: I think the question was, or whatever the statement was,
Speaker 5: is the defense is bad.
Speaker 4: I don't. It still leads to them. They're not bad
Speaker 4: as they look.
Speaker 2: They're not good.
Speaker 4: They haven't played. Yeah, they're not bad.
Speaker 5: They just haven't got things together because like you can
Speaker 5: see different different you know, I guess you can call
Speaker 5: it groups playing well.
Speaker 4: The back end. Has they been great? No, No, They've
Speaker 4: probably been the reason why a lot of this stuff
Speaker 4: in a situation.
Speaker 5: But then you can say the front end hasn't gotten
Speaker 5: to the quarterback and that might be the reason why
Speaker 5: we haven't played.
Speaker 4: So with all that being said, defensively.
Speaker 5: As a coach, now the coach had to come in
Speaker 5: and say, Okay, I want to do this, I want
Speaker 5: to do that.
Speaker 4: I can't. I gotta switch it up. I gotta switch
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta protect them back in the back
Speaker 5: end a little more, and I gotta let these.
Speaker 4: Guys here play a different style of play. I thought
Speaker 4: they can get to.
Speaker 5: The quarterback a little better than that this year, and
Speaker 5: it hasn't been getting done.
Speaker 4: Now, I have to do a little more. That's all
Speaker 4: you have to do. Make adjustments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like that's something that you know,
Speaker 1: like I coach high school football, you go in with
Speaker 1: the season with like, this is what I think we're
Speaker 1: good at, and you do the scrimmages, the practices, your
Speaker 1: training camp, you're like, man, we're pretty good. That then
Speaker 1: when you get into a game, we ain't good. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work the same way, and so you got to
Speaker 1: do a little bit of adjusting, like you know, like
Speaker 1: they've made some of the decisions this offseason to be
Speaker 1: a little bit more man heavy, obviously, Like in the
Speaker 1: off season, I thought great Saint Juice good man coverage
Speaker 1: Forbes good and man coverage, Fuller good man coverage, or
Speaker 1: they've shown the ability to be good man coverage. Obviously
Speaker 1: they need to kind of excited if they.
Speaker 2: Play it enough. Like if you're gonna play man, play man.
Speaker 1: But you can't play man now, Like right now they're
Speaker 1: playing man like thirty four percent of the time, which
Speaker 1: is like third in the NFL. Teams just don't play
Speaker 1: man with that same level that you used that you
Speaker 1: used to play because it's just not a tenable solution
Speaker 1: long term.
Speaker 5: You can't play man and be passive. Though you're gonna
Speaker 5: play man, you gotta play man.
Speaker 2: You got to you have.
Speaker 4: To have to man.
Speaker 2: Yes, you have to off man work.
Speaker 1: I pushed back on that a little bit because I think,
Speaker 1: like with with like no Tanne, like this is what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. I think, like with off coverage, when
Speaker 1: you got guys who can track the ball, like Forbes
Speaker 1: as an example, Like I'd rather him be off because
Speaker 1: he can see the quarterback. I want I want him
Speaker 1: to see the quarterback.
Speaker 3: I don't want him to see the quarterback because then
Speaker 3: his eyes started playing tricks on him, and and I
Speaker 3: want him to I don't want him to have to
Speaker 3: check the whole route tree.
Speaker 2: When you play off man. The whole route tree is
Speaker 2: open when you play.
Speaker 1: When you play with good leverage.
Speaker 2: I don't care about your leverage.
Speaker 3: If you play press man, the rape tree shrinks to
Speaker 3: two routes fade and they slink like them the only
Speaker 3: routes you run it.
Speaker 5: I'm a receiver, you're tight end. You mostly get guys
Speaker 5: up in your faces. You're on the line half the
Speaker 5: time as a receiver. If you had to ask me,
Speaker 5: if the god planning you man, what you prefer off
Speaker 5: or press, I would say off every test, because I
Speaker 5: have all the routes to my hand every day. If
Speaker 5: you press me, I have to release a certain weight.
Speaker 5: I have to run this route a certain way. Everything
Speaker 5: kind of counters now, Like if I had a post
Speaker 5: corner on press, I have to run it a different way.
Speaker 4: I have to get inside the corner.
Speaker 2: It's the one Mississippi, it's the clock is running.
Speaker 1: I guess my question would be is why One of
Speaker 1: the reasons you don't see as much press stylistically now
Speaker 1: is because there's much more emotion offense.
Speaker 5: You see so many other teams doing it and do
Speaker 5: it well Kansas City Press, but they don't do it
Speaker 5: all the time the situational.
Speaker 3: But I need, I need to show the quarterback this
Speaker 3: the shehlle from the start.
Speaker 1: So I think I think that's one thing is like
Speaker 1: we speak in these kind of absolutes as analysts and
Speaker 1: and so what I would say is that there are
Speaker 1: situations where you need to press and where this team
Speaker 1: does press and where other teams do press, but you
Speaker 1: can't do it all the time because if if if
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle shanahanah, I'm gonna say, oh you want to
Speaker 1: you want to press? Check this out. Let's get in
Speaker 1: a bunch real quick. Yeah, let's motion to a bit.
Speaker 1: I'm chick and I'm gonna pick the heck out of
Speaker 1: you and I'm gonna get a touchdown. And so that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you can't do it all the time, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so like because it presents offensively if you're in man.
Speaker 1: I'm like, remember when we played the Cowboys. This was
Speaker 1: in two thousand and golly thirteen maybe, and they ran
Speaker 1: a lot of man, and so Kyle had me in
Speaker 1: and Kyle's like, Logan, this is back when you could
Speaker 1: like really pick. He's like, I want you to go
Speaker 1: block the corner covering Prierre. Just go running to him
Speaker 1: as hard as you can. And we did that probably
Speaker 1: five or six times, and Pierre had like one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards receiving. And so you can manipulate man
Speaker 1: coverage if you're in it a lotah and so if
Speaker 1: you're pressing, I can mapulate it even more.
Speaker 5: But my thing is what that is that has to
Speaker 5: be a game time decision for you, because if I
Speaker 5: see you coming out in a certain formation.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring my man down. If you ain't in bunch,
Speaker 4: then okay, we're in your face obviously.
Speaker 5: Now I know you because I now I want you
Speaker 5: to get the bar at your hand fast enough knowing
Speaker 5: that my guys are front going.
Speaker 4: To get to you. You see what I'm saying. That's what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. We have reaction.
Speaker 5: We have to find ways to disrupt these guys game
Speaker 5: plan or whatever they set out to do.
Speaker 4: But when we sit out there and just be soft.
Speaker 1: Now apart dark, I think I think what we're saying,
Speaker 1: I think we're both saying the same thing is you
Speaker 1: have to add a little bit of diversity to what
Speaker 1: you're doing in terms of how you play man this show,
Speaker 1: play Massah, you disguise your covered shelves, like even like
Speaker 1: even we're going to talk about Atlanta on the preview
Speaker 1: show on Thursday or Friday, when does that come out?
Speaker 1: Jason Friday comes out on Friday, and they run a
Speaker 1: lot of two men. And if you're in a lot
Speaker 1: of two man and I'm I'm a high school offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: I can game plan that if you do run, I
Speaker 1: can do it every play right. But the diversity of
Speaker 1: the play call is something that's super important. So that
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about that. Very sorry for the
Speaker 1: long delay there. So defense is bad kind of kind
Speaker 1: of a kind of a pumpkin and a sao. I
Speaker 1: think there's a little dunkin, there's a little sweeper pumps
Speaker 1: all right, real quick. So running the ball only twice
Speaker 1: in the second half, This is one. This is one
Speaker 1: that I think is interesting. We lost because we didn't
Speaker 1: run the ball in the game, and fans of this
Speaker 1: area are especially for like predisposed to this take because
Speaker 1: because of Joe.
Speaker 3: Goods, why do they why it needs to be balanced,
Speaker 3: Like the game is about.
Speaker 2: What do they not do?
Speaker 3: We you and we're going to attack it if we
Speaker 3: get down by twenty points, we're not running the ball,
Speaker 3: Like that's all thirty two teams were.
Speaker 2: Don't pass them ball.
Speaker 4: We're scrapping that whole game play.
Speaker 3: The game players through the football is so situational that
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: The ballots don't.
Speaker 1: Matter and the balance is even like a little bit
Speaker 1: of a snowmber. Like I think San Francisco has the
Speaker 1: highest run rate in the NFL, and I think they're
Speaker 1: right at like forty eight forty nine percent, which is
Speaker 1: close to fifty, But everybody else is like in that
Speaker 1: forty one thirty eight range. Because analytically it's easier to
Speaker 1: throw the football, so you're never gonna be balanced running
Speaker 1: the football right. Also, game flow dictates you you gotta
Speaker 1: throw the football right, you gotta score three touchdowns, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that running the ball a whole
Speaker 1: bunch like it just it's just not true. The thing
Speaker 1: I would maybe say about this Tanna is throw a
Speaker 1: draw in there, throw whatever screen just to get something.
Speaker 2: And they did that, and that's what they don't realize. Screens,
Speaker 2: quick passes, I run.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the many ways it's getting cat And especially
Speaker 5: when it comes to the run game. You can nowadays
Speaker 5: this NFL we live in now, or or football period,
Speaker 5: you know, all over across the world, they find other
Speaker 5: ways to get to the run game instead of just
Speaker 5: handing the ball to somebody in the backfield. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm all for having a little balance, But when
Speaker 5: the game plan kind of dictates, Okay, we got to
Speaker 5: do this, we gotta do something different because whatever's going
Speaker 5: on now in this game, like like when you watch
Speaker 5: I was talking to someone this recently this past week
Speaker 5: and they asked me about certain things that went on
Speaker 5: in that Thursday night game.
Speaker 4: I'm like, we come into the game plan with the
Speaker 4: first fifteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but as the game go on and you see
Speaker 5: things going on, you got to scrap that.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you gotta say hold on, you know, run there.
Speaker 5: It ain't we can't run this because of whatever's going
Speaker 5: on defensively because Fletcher.
Speaker 2: Hot tonight is that they cannot run hit him like.
Speaker 2: So it being's the wheel of the coaching.
Speaker 1: And you know, we were talking about Atlanta. We're just
Speaker 1: watching a lot of Atlanta film last couple days. All
Speaker 1: of a sudd have been like they run the ball
Speaker 1: a ton and they haven't be run the ball superficially,
Speaker 1: but they can continue to run the ball because they're
Speaker 1: in a one score game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they can kind.
Speaker 1: Of stay what they want they want to the game,
Speaker 1: stay with that game flow.
Speaker 4: Right Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here, I mean I've been I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: a game. I can't remember a specific example where we
Speaker 1: were down a couple of scores when you were here,
Speaker 1: and it's like, we gotta go two minutes and we've
Speaker 1: run two minutes for like for threequarters. Yes, everyone's tired,
Speaker 1: people are thrown up on the sideline. It's terrible, but
Speaker 1: we gotta score points. Ye yeah, well yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think like that's something that I don't think.
Speaker 5: He was here, but I did it a lot with
Speaker 5: Jason Campbell bro we ran so many too many with Honestly,
Speaker 5: it wasn't even we was down at times.
Speaker 4: He ran that well like he was better and just
Speaker 4: like get to the because.
Speaker 2: He was better when it wasn't thinking, just like give me.
Speaker 4: All that stuff.
Speaker 5: You know, too many makes you getting a certain defense. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, so when he makes us play south beingo.
Speaker 5: So when he got that defense where he could just say, Okay,
Speaker 5: I know I gotta come back.
Speaker 4: Two comebacks on our side. Got these guys, got one
Speaker 4: guy to know the ball, got this guy doing something.
Speaker 4: He ran that well.
Speaker 5: So I've been in games of situations where just dictating
Speaker 5: on who you have at quarterback or how the flow
Speaker 5: of the game is going as a whole, you have
Speaker 5: to just do certain things. You have to scrap everything
Speaker 5: else you had going on and say this is what
Speaker 5: we're gonna run because this is going to make us successful.
Speaker 5: Getting back to what we was talking about, you don't
Speaker 5: have to run the ball to be successful.
Speaker 4: You would like to have a bound of a tech.
Speaker 5: But if it dictates early in the game that we
Speaker 5: can't do this because of the score.
Speaker 4: So be it. Then we got to go ahead throw
Speaker 4: this ball in a game, So be it what you
Speaker 4: gotta do.
Speaker 1: I think that's so that's kind of a pumpkin take
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, Like, I understand you want to run
Speaker 1: the ball. I understand that's important. It's an important part
Speaker 1: of football, as much as analytics says it's not. It's important.
Speaker 1: You can't throw the ball a hundred times, but in
Speaker 1: this game, if we wanted to win, we need to
Speaker 1: throw the ball.
Speaker 2: Especially why it's warm out. The winder dictates a lot.
Speaker 3: You nobody likes to talk about the weather, like when
Speaker 3: it gets cold.
Speaker 2: That's when you run the ball.
Speaker 3: And has a weather many First of all, the weather
Speaker 3: man lies all the time.
Speaker 2: It's no different.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying is what's the difference
Speaker 3: between partly cloudy and partly sunny.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. The dude lies all the time.
Speaker 1: So you and the weather man are the same person. Shoot,
Speaker 1: all right, So this is the last one. And I
Speaker 1: heard this a lot. NFL games are hard to win,
Speaker 1: and I've said this, you know, and I think this
Speaker 1: is true. But I do think there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of laziness to that right, because they are hard, but
Speaker 1: they're hard every week, so.
Speaker 3: I can say, but it's only thirty two teams and
Speaker 3: it's hard to beat any of them.
Speaker 2: They're just what it is and desity. I'm wondering people
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's more of a game of chess.
Speaker 3: It's about the person that's moving the chess pieces. That's
Speaker 3: why I think coaching is the ultimate equalizer in pro sports.
Speaker 2: Great coaches make great players, period.
Speaker 4: I mean not even making Yeah, you can say you
Speaker 4: make them, but like you can have great chess on
Speaker 4: the team and instinct and they can think you'd be like, damn,
Speaker 4: I do this because because of the coach.
Speaker 2: The coaching, Man I had gym's on you.
Speaker 5: No, I'll put you in great situations like that. I
Speaker 5: think that's that's that's key because I've been on offenses
Speaker 5: where I'm like, man, I tell folks to this day
Speaker 5: that Mike Shanahan period when you here, Yeah, like I
Speaker 5: used to look forward to going to practice, Like I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: we fully get the end of this opportunity.
Speaker 2: Look at the coaches. Y'all had vade, but the only
Speaker 2: thing y'all had six head coaches on one coach.
Speaker 5: Is saying, but the thing about that, it's a difference
Speaker 5: because I you know, I had a chance to play
Speaker 5: with Mike them from twenty ten to thirteen and we
Speaker 5: had a slewer quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's they could put you in great situations.
Speaker 5: But that guy with that ball in his hand has
Speaker 5: to know how to get the ball, distribute the ball
Speaker 5: to those guys. And if he knows, yeah, man, that
Speaker 5: thing would be like it'd be like stealing from a baby.
Speaker 5: Like seriously, I mean your office can go up and
Speaker 5: down the field like you watched Save Frin right now,
Speaker 5: it's stealing like the ball.
Speaker 4: I'm saying. They have ballers, yes, but I'm saying, but.
Speaker 3: The game playing coaching and distrimined that football like probably
Speaker 3: don't have a strong um, but he knows.
Speaker 4: Who they get.
Speaker 2: You beat the jimmy and the jaw.
Speaker 1: That's one thing about game.
Speaker 4: Just to go ahead and counter that.
Speaker 1: But like what I'm saying, like like one of the
Speaker 1: like people don't understand. One of the reasons that Kyle
Speaker 1: Sean McDaniels are good coaches is because they prep you
Speaker 1: for what the hell is going on. They give you answers,
Speaker 1: Hey Tanner versus cover two run it like this versus
Speaker 1: single high running like this, Hey logan versus this technique
Speaker 1: on the six, I want you to get your hat
Speaker 1: inside or on this run, let's get the hat outside.
Speaker 1: And you're like, I have answers versus different fronts that
Speaker 1: are gonna run, and that's good coaching. The thing I
Speaker 1: would say is you still need players, right, And we
Speaker 1: were here in two thousand and what was that eleven?
Speaker 1: We were not a good football team, Like we just
Speaker 1: didn't have enough people, right, and Kyle was able to,
Speaker 1: you know, work his magic, but we only won four
Speaker 1: games because you just don't have the horses to get
Speaker 1: that done. So what I would so, I would say
Speaker 1: that it's it's it's this weird Mixed coaching can elevate talent,
Speaker 1: but you need players. You need players. Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: because of for that segment, guys, that was I had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun there. I really enjoyed talking. I know,
Speaker 1: field the onion back well, speaking of and onions, you
Speaker 1: are a farmer, and people don't know this about you,
Speaker 1: but in addition to being a farmer, you're also a baker.
Speaker 2: I'm a cooker. I'm a cook period, so the fact.
Speaker 1: You called yourself a cooker is maybe a demerit.
Speaker 2: I'm a cook. Listen my mom be like what you're
Speaker 2: doing in the kidschen.
Speaker 1: I'm cooker, but baking is different than cooking. Man, we
Speaker 1: actually have a bona fide baker here. No we don't,
Speaker 1: Yes we do. I am here, I'm hosting the show.
Speaker 1: He's a bonafide baker, Zachary Selby, who is also our
Speaker 1: what is your official title? Your senior writer. But also
Speaker 1: he got a great haird of hair. I'm jealous of
Speaker 1: his hair.
Speaker 2: He got a great head of hair.
Speaker 1: Give it so. So Selby's here. Selby bakes Forrest like
Speaker 1: bi weekly pretty much like every other week you'll bring
Speaker 1: something and it's not just pies, but you break cakes
Speaker 1: and mooses.
Speaker 5: And out of nowhere, you know, smooth. Just thought of
Speaker 5: hating on you, Shelby, and.
Speaker 4: He will want you want to bring it in. Okay,
Speaker 4: every week that this competes.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Once I see him bacon, I was like, not, no,
Speaker 3: nobody's going out bike me.
Speaker 6: So at the end, it's not a heat you've given
Speaker 6: me unnecessarily. I feel like you just reasact when I
Speaker 6: see you.
Speaker 3: Seeing that you're dead with your head here high like
Speaker 3: you you just the brown Jesus is caking.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that I want up.
Speaker 1: You because Fred can't let anybody get shine. The second
Speaker 1: someone else getting shined, Fresd's cutting that person down.
Speaker 2: And I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not being mean to Fred. That's just a fact
Speaker 1: about Fred.
Speaker 2: Hate hate.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what we're gonna do in order to settle
Speaker 1: this great debate, this this debate, this battle of Will's
Speaker 1: Selby being the perennial.
Speaker 3: Say why I startedby stood up for pumpkin.
Speaker 1: So as one, so let me Selby can introduce this. Shelby,
Speaker 1: you said to Fred that a pumpkin pie can be
Speaker 1: as good.
Speaker 6: As good or better depending on who's making it.
Speaker 2: I e mean sweep pie.
Speaker 6: And I also said that the differences are pretty subtle. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it just comes down to consistency and taste, a little bit.
Speaker 2: A pair of lifts and tail a la. He's wrong.
Speaker 2: Pumpkin stinks.
Speaker 3: Pumpkin is the most useless vegetable tenn in the world,
Speaker 3: so we.
Speaker 2: Should stop growing it as a country.
Speaker 1: So, just for the fans or the listeners of the podcast,
Speaker 1: what is today. Today is Wednesday. When we're recording this,
Speaker 1: Fred has been talking about pumpkins in the office for
Speaker 1: the last ten days. That exact speech we've heard on
Speaker 1: five times of the year.
Speaker 3: Right, Windy's just made a frosty a pumpkin spice.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just a cinnamon frosty. Fred. First
Speaker 1: of all, No, it doesn't taste no Windy, No, I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying.
Speaker 6: Probably ain't even pumpkin in that.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 3: Listen to literally mock the taste of something that tastes terrible,
Speaker 3: is all I need to say.
Speaker 6: No, it's ironic. But you say that because a lot
Speaker 6: of the savings in pumpkin pie or sleep Tanta pie.
Speaker 2: But I'm using, I'm musing.
Speaker 1: So let's actually talk about that a little bit. Because
Speaker 1: one of the things like I got a I gotta like,
Speaker 1: my godfather makes a really good pumpkin pie, and I said, like,
Speaker 1: what makes it so good? And he says, I just
Speaker 1: put a lot of other stuff in it, like sugar, sugar,
Speaker 1: you know, and mustard, like marshmallows and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, it's pretty good because it's just
Speaker 1: it's just candy. Basic.
Speaker 3: See, I ain't got to do that to the sweet potato,
Speaker 3: but I ain't got to mask the taste of it.
Speaker 2: I want to bring the flavor.
Speaker 1: So so there's not a lot of sugars.
Speaker 2: It's sugar brown.
Speaker 3: And plus I use purpose sweet potatoes that are naturally
Speaker 3: sweeter than regular sweet potatoes. And I also use a
Speaker 3: secret ingredient in Man God bakes sugar liquid.
Speaker 6: Look, I've been telling you can bring as many friends
Speaker 6: of the party as you want. One of us is
Speaker 6: going coming out of.
Speaker 2: That out.
Speaker 3: With a black eye. I love it, Like That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying it Lee with a black eye.
Speaker 6: Look, I'll just say this, in this battle, I'm Randy
Speaker 6: Moss and you about to get burned.
Speaker 3: In the great part about it, I checked Randy and
Speaker 3: didn't get burned really good.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I checked Randy, and.
Speaker 3: I'm not on any I always tell people if you
Speaker 3: want to know if a dB got burned, just check
Speaker 3: out I receive highlights.
Speaker 1: Also, I think it's important to note that Fred made
Speaker 1: this pie last night and less than ideal suggests. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was kind of tipsy and then you got hold late, right,
Speaker 1: qualifying like my dad has to saying it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't care how you play. It's like how you play
Speaker 1: based on what you did the night before. And Fred's Fred's.
Speaker 2: Sponsored by Jack Dan.
Speaker 7: Let's start with.
Speaker 1: The okay, start with the pumping the pumpkin first shell.
Speaker 1: We don't need like whipped cream or just you know,
Speaker 1: you do however you want.
Speaker 4: I had to put a little crust in it, you know,
Speaker 4: I got it. The crush.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually pretty good.
Speaker 6: But you know the scene of Rocky three, what he's
Speaker 6: trying to get ready for a clever lang. Yeah, that
Speaker 6: was me when I'm rolling out this door for this crust,
Speaker 6: because it was serious.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what, I don't eat pumpkin, and
Speaker 3: that's pretty good. It's pretty good, right, I was good.
Speaker 4: I never I never had pumpkin pud.
Speaker 3: If I was in a bunker trapped for like six years,
Speaker 3: I would eat this bump shut up, I would.
Speaker 2: I would. It's actually not bad.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't really taste super pumpkin. It's got like it.
Speaker 6: It's you know about the balancing of the flavors. You
Speaker 6: don't want to be too pumpkin forward, you want to spicy.
Speaker 6: You have the right balance of flavors okay, I'll hit
Speaker 6: you in the right spot.
Speaker 2: I think it's the whipped cream that's doing it.
Speaker 6: Also homemade.
Speaker 1: He made the whipped cream. Well, when we got I
Speaker 1: gotta clear my palate.
Speaker 2: I've been cant.
Speaker 4: I get some water, clem a ballet, you know, damn napkins.
Speaker 1: No nothing, yeah, just struggling right now.
Speaker 6: I will say this is really good.
Speaker 2: No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 4: All right, here we go, you see here we go?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That is good. Not too sweet right in? You're right
Speaker 1: it is. You don't have a lot of sugar in there.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to make it too sweet.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to kill it.
Speaker 1: It's I can taste your guy a little bit. Yes,
Speaker 1: I like that. I think I think the texture of it.
Speaker 1: I'd probably go the pumpkin. I think the texture is
Speaker 1: better on them. You a texture guy, I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: so tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Like mine is more, Mine is more.
Speaker 1: It is, it's like more. I can take it and
Speaker 1: taste of sweet potato and it's pretty good.
Speaker 4: It's like I'm just gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, let it go.
Speaker 5: Say I'm a sweep potato guy. So as long as
Speaker 5: it tastes good. I'm gonna take a sweet potato. It's fine, fine,
Speaker 5: I'm good. Pumpkin was good, though not exactly what.
Speaker 2: I've never had pumped and it's finny. No, look you
Speaker 2: came to my head. Yeah, you had one leg that
Speaker 2: was six feet one league.
Speaker 5: I would say this, you lost by just because I
Speaker 5: to within me because I like sweet potato.
Speaker 4: Your pumpkin is fine.
Speaker 6: I can't say anything.
Speaker 4: Never never had pumpkin in my life. Never, I never
Speaker 4: tried to.
Speaker 1: It's aod. It's a really good pie. So you're just
Speaker 1: actually one like uh like if you gave me like
Speaker 1: it's like I can taste the it's weird. I've never
Speaker 1: had a sweep potato like this.
Speaker 2: Guess what.
Speaker 3: It doesn't shock me because it's me which one logan
Speaker 3: tailor joke because you keep eating the purpose potato bat.
Speaker 1: I've had both. I think it's really just preference. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big dessert guy. I think i'd have to go.
Speaker 1: I'd probably go pumpkin here just because it's a little
Speaker 1: bit sweeter. But but the that's the thing that sweeping.
Speaker 1: I like the sweet potato pie like I don't. It's
Speaker 1: not like I dislike it. It's like and I, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's like but Tanna, like Tanna said, I'm like
Speaker 1: I said, I I have no I have no dog
Speaker 1: in this fight. I don't need a lot of pies
Speaker 1: unfortunately for me. But it's good. It tastes good both
Speaker 1: of me. I can't trust you because you smell blind.
Speaker 1: That is true.
Speaker 2: You smell bla.
Speaker 6: What does that even mean?
Speaker 2: He can't smell.
Speaker 1: I can smell better than I could. There was a
Speaker 1: period of my life where I couldn't smell at all.
Speaker 1: That's what happens when he breaks your nose at times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he broke his no like seventeen times. He didn't
Speaker 2: want to say anything.
Speaker 3: He basically he's basically, he basically Dewey Cox. He he's
Speaker 3: Dewey Cox. And he smelled blind and he cannot smell anything.
Speaker 3: So I know, I'm not shocked that he chills pumpkins.
Speaker 1: So I feel like maybe he fut a little more
Speaker 1: cinema with this. I'd be more in it.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't want to make it over bearing.
Speaker 1: It's good though, man. Yeah, I'm surprised, Fred, did you
Speaker 1: make you really made this yourself?
Speaker 2: I made this last night that's about Jack.
Speaker 3: Dang.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: First, at first I was going to be questioning in
Speaker 5: this red magging, but after it tastes home made.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's homemade.
Speaker 2: Home Yeah, it's homemade.
Speaker 1: So Fred, I mean obviously you made it. You or not? Jason,
Speaker 1: did you have a bite? So what you got? Okay?
Speaker 7: So my plate is cleared as you can imagine, a
Speaker 7: part of me wants to say that the pumpkin pie
Speaker 7: is a winner just because.
Speaker 2: Of friends are back.
Speaker 1: Do you like the supertato pie?
Speaker 7: There's it's guys, this is really close.
Speaker 5: I like the like and I'm a pumpkin I'm not
Speaker 5: a not a pumpkin hater, but I'm like, I never
Speaker 5: had pumpkin, so damn.
Speaker 2: Pump Yeah, so so you went.
Speaker 5: I would have always just said sweeping o punkin but
Speaker 5: tasting boat though.
Speaker 1: I really like the textra. They're both good.
Speaker 7: So with the Rocky analogies, yeah, I feel like this
Speaker 7: is Rocky.
Speaker 1: One, Rocky one. It's a draw.
Speaker 7: A lot of respect here. So you sweet potato pie
Speaker 7: was it's pumpkin pie. It's right there.
Speaker 2: I don't there's a draw.
Speaker 1: It kind of feels like a draw.
Speaker 2: So you believe in more victories. What happened to is
Speaker 2: after the game.
Speaker 1: But like see, like I'm having bites of both and
Speaker 1: I can't be like one of these is bad. Ye,
Speaker 1: Like I kind of like the texture a little bit
Speaker 1: better of Selby's, but I do. I like the there's
Speaker 1: like a some there's some earth. There's a girth, the girth.
Speaker 2: The girth that's about.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: You go this sept it sewed up, No, And I
Speaker 3: think they're blown away, blown away by the being purple
Speaker 3: like usually when people eat sweet with Tata.
Speaker 1: Well. And also it's I think there's like a little
Speaker 1: bit of like, you know, like how you're like my, my, my,
Speaker 1: my godfather. He used to make his, and the consistency
Speaker 1: was much more like Selby's, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: a little bit soft, a little bit more fluffy. Right,
Speaker 1: So this is different from me, but I still think
Speaker 1: it's good, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's probably goes back to like when I was eight
Speaker 1: years old at Thanksgiving getting after you know sweep or
Speaker 1: you know, pump pi or whatever, swe potato pie. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of that a little bit.
Speaker 5: So so I had gif Fred benefited.
Speaker 1: Do you know Fred, good job, man, great job.
Speaker 2: No, no, no. The one thing about sports we keep
Speaker 2: we keep points. I sc seven, you scold six.
Speaker 1: No, it's okay, just to be annoying. Seven for Tanna,
Speaker 1: seven for me, three for Jason, going both ways, you
Speaker 1: both got ten and.
Speaker 2: Then Indian, I'm the tie breaker.
Speaker 1: Then well the time breaker. Okay, this is this is
Speaker 1: this is a great idea, and this is why our
Speaker 1: producer makes the big bucks, makes the medium bucks. Sorry, Bud,
Speaker 1: the uh the I think we need to do a
Speaker 1: tie breaker.
Speaker 2: So we need to do a remake.
Speaker 1: I think so for Thanksgiving, us want to do something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the time he listen, this is the
Speaker 3: time of pumpkins.
Speaker 6: Right, that's my favorite tim Thanksgiving underrated?
Speaker 1: So what so like, can we kind of do you
Speaker 1: guys want to both do a sweet potato po? I
Speaker 1: mean we've had friends sweet potato by? Do you do
Speaker 1: a sweet potato by?
Speaker 6: Come to your home turn, I'll beat you with you.
Speaker 2: How about I make my first pumpkin?
Speaker 1: That's a great break. Already, need to see.
Speaker 4: Who is just a better baker.
Speaker 2: I got to go on his turf.
Speaker 1: You gotta come on my tur alright, al right, I'm
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