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Speaker 1: Today we're doing a collaboration I'm really excited about with

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Speaker 1: Tara Palmery at the Red Letter, And if you are

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Speaker 1: Red Letter because it's the type of independent journalism that

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Speaker 1: everybody on the Warning platform says we need more of.

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Speaker 1: That's necessary, and it is. And I just want to

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Speaker 1: say a couple of things about Tara before we get going.

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Speaker 1: Who has started not so long ago, is built the

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Speaker 1: Red Letter into a formidable new media enterprise that I

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Speaker 1: enjoy following. But it's breaking real news. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things that you should know about Tara is that

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Speaker 1: in this moment, one of the things to be kindness

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Speaker 1: of is the answer to the question of who's on

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Speaker 1: your side, and Tara is on your side and the

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Speaker 1: evidence of that, and you can go and you can

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Speaker 1: read this on the Red Letter about she's walking home

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Speaker 1: and sees a man in a store, a target I believe,

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Speaker 1: being assaulted, and Tar runs into the fight to try

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Speaker 1: to help the man and records it and reports on it.

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Speaker 1: And that's Tar's nature to run into the fight, to

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Speaker 1: run into the trouble, to tell you what's going on,

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Speaker 1: a moment where there's a lot of right and wrong

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Speaker 1: to cover. So I admire Tar very much on that front,

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Speaker 1: but also right, there's an insight that Tar brings to

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Speaker 1: all of this, and the Red Letter does. And I

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Speaker 1: view it as the Cafe Milana test, right, And that's

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Speaker 1: a power restaurant in Washington, DC, right, where you can

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Speaker 1: probably buy a nice ball one hundred and ten dollars,

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Speaker 1: people go in there, right, and they say, well, there's

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, there's the Republicans. And what Tara has is

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Speaker 1: the insight and the judgment to recognize that at a

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Speaker 1: fundamental level, these are all the same people, right, And

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Speaker 1: those people don't necessarily have anything in common with you,

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Speaker 1: but they have a lot in common with each other,

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Speaker 1: and reporting on them through a dispassionate lens is a really,

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Speaker 1: really important thing. Tara, unique amongst all of the journalists

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Speaker 1: Laura Lumer like she was a circus exhibit, and instead

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Speaker 1: met Laura Lumer where Laura exactually exists and Laura Lumer

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Speaker 1: is one of the most powerful people in this country

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Speaker 1: a file of information and take out half of the

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Speaker 1: National Security Council, or defenestrate the Surgeon General of the

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Speaker 1: United States. So it's important for you to understand the

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Speaker 1: power where it flows from all of these things, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that today. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about politics, what's going on in the country. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is a collaboration between The Warning and the Red Letter.

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Speaker 1: We're here with Tara Palmery and the first thing we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about is this riveting interview you do

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Speaker 1: with Lyndy Lee. And I said when I sent it

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Speaker 1: Order episode for politics where you unmask somebody from the

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Speaker 1: grifter class who, if I was to set it up,

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Speaker 1: this person is Blue Maga, who in twenty two is

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Speaker 1: Republicans are for killing you and Democrats are the saviors

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Speaker 1: conspiracy by exposing it that the senior White House people

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Speaker 1: and it goes from there and you unmask her. Obviously

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Speaker 1: she's completely fraudulent, and all of her claims and all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Steve for that very generous introduction. It

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Speaker 2: means a lot to me coming from you. I know,

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Speaker 2: I've known you for a while now, and you've always

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Speaker 2: I admire you and ask you for advice on things

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Speaker 2: the way that this woman collapses under even the most

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Speaker 2: And then she admits that it was a ghostwriter who

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Speaker 2: non confrontational, but uh, you know, if you point out

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Speaker 2: And you know, some people might say, why are you

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Speaker 2: giving Lindy Lee a platform? I don't know if you've

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Speaker 2: ever googled her. She's got a huge platform if you

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Speaker 2: She is the darling of the right. And this you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, she's a Biden advisor and a Kamala Harris advisor,

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Speaker 2: heard of her before. She claimed she has firsthand knowledge

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Speaker 2: to anyone that there was a cover up of Biden's

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Speaker 2: narrative now you know. He put forward a tweet last

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Speaker 2: But she turned those pictures and you know, claims of

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Speaker 2: It's about me, Me, me, me me. I have firsthand knowledge.

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Speaker 2: I talked to the president's sister, Valerie Biden. I talked

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Speaker 2: what is that information?

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Speaker 2: we both know this. Every party loves a convert, right,

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Speaker 2: But it's just like this particular moment in time in

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Speaker 1: That's what I was just thinking. Right, there's none right,

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Speaker 1: there's no qualification whatsoever, but the ease with which she

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Speaker 1: And it's like that this is a sick person, right,

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Speaker 1: and he's the wisdom in this moment to appreciate that

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Speaker 1: some fights are made necessary because they're brought to you.

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Speaker 1: And so on questions of do you have to oppose

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Speaker 1: the illegal detention, the unlawful detention, the inhumanity of the detentions,

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Speaker 1: the answer to that question is yes. Is that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't have the right to decree I'm going to

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Speaker 1: put you in chains and send you're a foreign concentration camp.

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Speaker 1: And so if you were involved for self interest in

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Speaker 1: telling the country that this is the best version of Biden,

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Speaker 1: and then suddenly you're in the position of I have

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Speaker 1: to seek understanding with the Christian nationalist, Christo fascist Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: If you want to seek understanding govern her with people

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Speaker 1: in the country, go to Tupelo, Mississippi, Go to Tulsa, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: go to places that haven't seen a national Democratic leader

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Speaker 1: in a generation, and do a town hall. Stop it.

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Speaker 1: And so I think Gavin Newsom is on the edge

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Speaker 1: of disqualification if I'm not ready, not into there now.

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Speaker 1: When I look at the people that are that are

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Speaker 1: into this, George Clooney, I could see plausibly being a nominee.

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Speaker 1: I think Rocanna is going to be an impactful candidate.

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Speaker 1: I think Jake Auchincloss from Massachusetts Marine Infantry officer, who

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Speaker 1: I had on, could be a compelling candidate. I think

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Speaker 1: AOC is obviously a compelling candidate, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: she's a winning nominee because I don't think the country's

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Speaker 1: said to the Democratic Party were ready for bronx socialists.

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Speaker 1: Though I am a supporter of her and her activism

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Speaker 1: in this moment, because there's only two sides in the debate,

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Speaker 1: and so who am I missing when you look ahead,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think we're gonna see very much right

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Speaker 1: of the old guard. Though the old guard media has

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Speaker 1: their favorites and is pushing them forward, but I think

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Speaker 1: almost all of them are not plausible candidates.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these are the people that you've named

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Speaker 2: Austin schla Sorry I'm saying its class, which probably means

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Speaker 2: that he's so you know out there right now that

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Speaker 2: you know, you've identified some talent that is rising that

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Speaker 2: I've heard of him. I think I've tuxted it with

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Speaker 2: him a few times, but like I didn't put him

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Speaker 2: in that in that level yet. Clooney, I think I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's going to happen. I mean, I just

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Speaker 2: think America hates Hollywood right now. Clooney was a part

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Speaker 2: of the Democratic establishment. I don't know if he gets

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Speaker 2: accolades for calling out Joe Biden in the way that

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Speaker 2: he probably thinks he should. Maybe he's very charming, I mean,

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Speaker 2: maybe he could pull it off, But I don't get

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Speaker 2: the vibe that like America is like we want an

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Speaker 2: actor right now. After are a little different than reality

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Speaker 2: stars and podcasters. You don't really know what their their ethosis,

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Speaker 2: who they are, their constitution, their core. They're not sharing

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Speaker 2: themselves all the time. There's just actually a little bit

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Speaker 2: of mystery around them. And that's on purpose, right, And

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Speaker 2: so I just I'm not entirely sure about George, but

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Speaker 2: I listen, anything is possible. I certainly think he's interested.

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Speaker 2: I interviewed more in Dowd and she said up and

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Speaker 2: talk to him for three hours. She finally asked him,

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Speaker 2: so are you going to run for president? And he

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Speaker 2: was He was very much like maybe no. He didn't

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Speaker 2: say maybe. He said no, But she said she wasn't convinced.

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Speaker 2: And I would say she's a very good judge of

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Speaker 2: these sorts of uh conversations and characters and people in general.

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Speaker 3: So she says that he has bigger ambition.

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Speaker 2: And I noticed he's doing a lot of political shows

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Speaker 2: when he promotes his new his play good good Night

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Speaker 2: and good Luck. He's interesting. Andy Basheer is obviously someone

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Speaker 2: whose name is thrown around a lot. I think there's

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Speaker 2: like a preference for the governors. Uh, and there's Joshapiro

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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. It's gonna be a really really big.

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Speaker 3: Stage.

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Speaker 1: There's multiple stare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how would I forget less More exactly. There's gonna

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Speaker 2: be it's gonna be a huge stage lots of governors.

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Speaker 2: I do think that that that that binder over graduate

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Speaker 2: More's face, it's just gonna haunt her. It will haunt her.

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Speaker 2: There's no way to get over it. And you're right,

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Speaker 2: it was bad instincts. Stand tall. If you're in there,

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Speaker 2: say I fought for Michigan. That's why I showed up.

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Speaker 2: Don't don't, don't be ashamed like that's just it's just bad,

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Speaker 2: bad instincts, you know, like you said in that fight

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Speaker 2: or flight moment, how do you react? And I think

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Speaker 2: I think that it's still very early days. But the

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Speaker 2: way that everyone is trying to do it. If you

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Speaker 2: saw Andy Butcher has a podcast, Davin new simithth podcast,

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Speaker 2: they're doing it this way. They want people to have

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Speaker 2: their this is their book tour that just keeps going

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Speaker 2: for the next four years, and they'll be people.

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Speaker 1: We got. We got Pritzker on the list, we got

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Speaker 1: a hero on the on the list.

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Speaker 2: Mary Booker, don't forget him her. We got I can

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Speaker 2: go to the bathroom for twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: RT. Corey, I think put I think Corey Booker we

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Speaker 1: can put on the list. I got wrote Conna on

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Speaker 1: the list and again right, these are these are what

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Speaker 1: I think could be impactful candidacies. I put Abigail's Spamberger

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Speaker 1: on the list, who would be in her third, third

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Speaker 1: year potentially, and I think she's very talented. I think

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Speaker 1: that there are three superstars in the Democratic Party that

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Speaker 1: are going to get elected here. Uh, we got Mikey

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Speaker 1: Cheryl and the Democratic Party in New Jersey. I'm for

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Speaker 1: Mikey Cheryl. I'm a New Jersey guy.

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Speaker 4: I'm from Michael CHERRYL. I am uh for Abigail Spamberger

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Speaker 4: in in Virginia and for Joscelyn Benson and in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I think these are all people with with a lot

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Speaker 1: of with a lot of with a lot of character,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be coming in. I I was really

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Speaker 1: happy to see my friend Tim Ryan talk about he's

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Speaker 1: taking a look at governor of o Io. I think

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Speaker 1: that you got a Democratic governor of Ohio. I think

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Speaker 1: the Democratic governors the front runner for president. And then

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Mayor Pete, but I think

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Speaker 1: Mayor Pete, right, you know, somebody was saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: Mayor Pete speaks UH speaks eight languages, and I said, well,

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Speaker 1: he's got to give an answer in thirty seconds in

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Speaker 1: one language about about Joe Biden and then and then

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Speaker 1: you take it, and we'll take it. We'll take it

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Speaker 1: from there.

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Speaker 2: What would you tell him to say? Because you have

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Speaker 2: worked on the other side, I mean you, if you

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Speaker 2: were giving mayor p advice, I would love to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the I think it's the Palmary question, right.

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Speaker 1: I just like you're going to ask everybody, and I

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Speaker 1: think you're all going to come on your show, and

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Speaker 1: I think you asked the question that Ram Emmanuel answered,

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Speaker 1: which is how much access how much time did you

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Speaker 1: spend with Biden? And I think the reality, you know

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Speaker 1: is UH for Buddha judge is that he has spent

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Speaker 1: very much time with Biden. And and he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to say that. He's gonna have to acknowledge that, and

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Speaker 1: then he's gonna have to stand by however it is.

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Speaker 1: He handled the questions about whether Biden was capable of

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Speaker 1: running or not against against the facts in an election

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Speaker 1: cycle where credibility and consistency of matters of character right

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Speaker 1: or are going to be Are you going to be

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Speaker 1: important issues, right.

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Speaker 2: But there's one more thing, There's one more follow up.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you say anything? Like why because and he's

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Speaker 2: gonna say I didn't know, I didn't know, but he's

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Speaker 2: Buddha Jedge I ran for.

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Speaker 3: Like that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like rom e Manuel, their power brokers, they talk,

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Speaker 2: they know, like, why didn't you say anything? Why did

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Speaker 2: you guys not come out and support Dean Phillips. I

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Speaker 2: mean he was someone that you helped support. Why did

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Speaker 2: you make it so that anyone who thought that they

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Speaker 2: challenged Biden there would be hell to pay? Because that

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Speaker 2: was the that was the ecosystem in Washington at the time.

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Speaker 2: If you dared to primary him, you're done that. The

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Speaker 2: donors will kill you, will kill you, will all come

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Speaker 2: out with statements from the Clinton's, the Obama so you're debt.

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Speaker 2: There was a culture of fear and there are not

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Speaker 2: a lot of as we know, there are very rare

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Speaker 2: badges of courage in politicians in politics, and there were

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Speaker 2: a few. You were with one of them, Dean Phillips.

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Speaker 2: I know you weren't his campaign manager, but you helped

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Speaker 2: him come out on stage and make his debut. But

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Speaker 2: that was a brave thing for him to do. You know,

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Speaker 2: he just so happens to be a billionaire, which helps.

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Speaker 2: But if you weren't, I don't know how you would

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Speaker 2: handle that. And he's had that yolo way about him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think Dean deserves another shot?

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Speaker 1: He's not a billionaire. I mean he's a wealthy guy, okay,

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Speaker 1: but like he I don't know if he wants another shot.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about it in a in a minute. But

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Speaker 1: one of the things I want to do is kind

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Speaker 1: of rank these people into into some slots and categories

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Speaker 1: in and lanes. Right, as we kind of set up

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Speaker 1: our political conversation and we got all the names basically

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Speaker 1: out on the out on the table. And the way

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Speaker 1: to think about this, everybody is about brackets. Right. Think

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Speaker 1: about if you've ever been to a baseball game, the NFL, hockey, basketball, whatever, right,

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Speaker 1: or just like your children's sport leagues. Right, everyone has

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Speaker 1: a East division, a West division. Right. So in the

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Speaker 1: in the in the primary process, right, who's the dark

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Speaker 1: horse lane? Right, that surprise candidate, who's got the talent, right,

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Speaker 1: who could capture the zeitgeist, who's at the center of

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Speaker 1: the establishment lane? Right? The front runner by by strength

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Speaker 1: right in position, whether it's by conviction or money or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Who holds up the progressive lane right, AOC is perfectly

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Speaker 1: like situated in that lane. But since she built a

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Speaker 1: broader coalition and a winning coalition in the in the

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Speaker 1: in the American electorate, and the progressive lane has lost

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Speaker 1: its power to shout down the center lane right in

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Speaker 1: the in the Democratic Party, which I think is a

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Speaker 1: perfect predicate right to get into the Dean Phillips conversation. JB. Pritzker,

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Speaker 1: who I think is emerging as one of the principal

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Speaker 1: leaders of the opposition, is one of the front runners,

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Speaker 1: and I think in the governor lane right. But we'll

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Speaker 1: get some of these names sorted in some of these lanes.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I would say about the about

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Speaker 1: Dean Phillips is that what Dean Phillips exhibited is a

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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of character. And what Dean Phillips said, and

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Speaker 1: he said it on this podcast, and when the podcast ended,

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Speaker 1: I picked up the phone and I said, if you run,

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Speaker 1: I will walk out in front of you and help

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Speaker 1: you launch it. And the reason it's worth walking out

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Speaker 1: and being shot is because a party that professes to

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Speaker 1: be the party that stands for democracy must be willing

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Speaker 1: to practice democracy. And in the Democratic Party you had

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Speaker 1: had the New Hampshire primary be abrogated, even though New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire is the only state that has as a state

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Speaker 1: law that we have to go first, because New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: is the state that invented the primary, gave regular people

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Speaker 1: a voice, and the Democratic Party of Washington d C

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Speaker 1: said too many white people in New Hampshire, and so

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire has to lose this in amputative action. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, right a demand on behalf of Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's political interest that the New Hampshire primary right sacrisanct

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Speaker 1: in the state right be canceled lest if New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: follow its own law, they'd be penalized. And so all

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Speaker 1: of this hypocrisy, right that that starts to write, that

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Speaker 1: starts to bear down. Right, that starts to a rope. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: Phillips talks about right in the interview the deep worry

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Speaker 1: of his colleagues. Everybody saw it. Right. Biden had come

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Speaker 1: up to the hill and he had tried to speak

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Speaker 1: to the Democratic Conference and it went completely off the rails.

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Speaker 1: And Dean Phillips. Everybody was talking about it, and one

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Speaker 1: guy did something about it, and he went out and

647
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Speaker 1: he said, we have to have change. And I called

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Speaker 1: up the governor of California, and I called up the

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Speaker 1: governor of Michigan, and I called up the governor of

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Speaker 1: this state and that I said, you have to run.

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Speaker 1: And he looked around and no one was to his

652
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Speaker 1: left and no one was to his right, and he

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Speaker 1: decided he would run. And this was a really important

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Speaker 1: thing to do because it establishes for history or record

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Speaker 1: of what was obviously so and true. And in a

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Speaker 1: moment of real test when one political party completely consumed

657
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Speaker 1: by Trump and MAGA, needed to stand up and to

658
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Speaker 1: say we're fundamentally different than that. We won't gas lightly you,

659
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Speaker 1: we won't submit to the same type of delusions, we

660
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Speaker 1: won't do what they did right, because we're better than that.

661
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Speaker 1: They did exactly what what what the MAGA Party did,

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Speaker 1: and in doing so, they allowed, once again, right for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump to be viewed as the honest candidate on

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Speaker 1: the border, on the economy, on Biden and the and

665
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: the catastrophe for the for the country as a mess. Right.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I look back on it from a perspective, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Tim Miller at the Bulwark who

668
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: comes on and uses his platform to hey, you're a grifter,

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Speaker 1: you're a liar, you're this is that there was an

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Speaker 1: entire political industrial complex, right, including it Jake Tapper's network

671
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Speaker 1: who's now writing the book to cover up for Biden,

672
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Speaker 1: not to confront it, not to allow for there to

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Speaker 1: be dissent on this fundamental question, nor for there to

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Speaker 1: be a voice of opposition within the Democratic Party. So

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Speaker 1: Dean Phillips, if you see him in a room, it's

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Speaker 1: extremely talented political leader, right. And you know, personally, I

677
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Speaker 1: think what I wish Dean had done is done what

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Speaker 1: we had said at the beginning. What I told him

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Speaker 1: to do is go do one hundred and fifty town

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Speaker 1: halls up there. That he would have won the New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire primary. But it was his courage in the moment

682
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Speaker 1: to speak truth to power that matters. And this is

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Speaker 1: the test the Democrat to pass. Somebody just said, why

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00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: does this matter? Now? It is essential that this be

685
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Speaker 1: reconciled with because what the fight against Donald Trump requires

686
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: is mooring to the rock, not to quicksand of expediency

687
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: that's why, and so it is the existential question to

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Speaker 1: me that Democrats have to grapple with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. It's hard to follow

690
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: that that was pretty profound. Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: The only way to move forward is to be to

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Speaker 2: complean like, I just don't know any other way to

693
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: say it other than that. And people can't tell them

694
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Speaker 2: not to trust their lion eyes. So whoever comes forward

695
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: has to come forward with authenticity. And I almost feel

696
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: like the names that we named in some ways like

697
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: I could see a dark horse rising up that we

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Speaker 2: haven't even thought of. Because the political class right now

699
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: is so severely damaged in the eyes of the American people,

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Speaker 2: it has to be someone different, I think. And that's

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Speaker 2: why people are talking about Stephen A.

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Speaker 3: Smith. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's just like they are desperate for someone who they

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Speaker 2: believe is not a part of the establishment. And anyone

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Speaker 2: who is a part of the establishment is going to

706
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: have to work really hard to extricate themselves from it

707
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Speaker 2: or the appearances of it. They're going to have to

708
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Speaker 2: go rogue a little bit. Rogue is what people want,

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Speaker 2: and we just like, I mean, Trump is the epitome

710
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Speaker 2: of rogue. That is what that part, that is what

711
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: the American people chose, you know, for Kamala Harrisony the Lord,

712
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Speaker 2: just like I just don't trust her because she's like deceiving,

713
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Speaker 2: horrible person. She's never felt comfortable in her own skin.

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Speaker 2: She's overtrained, over coached. How many consultants in Washington, DC

715
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: need to just get fired? Like what are they doing?

716
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Speaker 2: Just be a person. If they like you, they like you.

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Speaker 2: If they don't, then this isn't the right person profession

718
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Speaker 2: for you. Go do something else. I mean, if that's

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Speaker 2: one thing from the Lindy Lee episode, when I heard

720
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Speaker 2: her say this is my life, I'm like, god, I

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Speaker 2: feel bad for someone like that, because you know, if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's life. Move on.

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Speaker 2: The reason that you are elected is because people believe

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Speaker 2: that you can represent them. You're not elected because you

726
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Speaker 2: believe you should be representing them. You're elected because they

727
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: believe you should be representing them. And so if everyone

728
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Speaker 2: could just get past that, we wouldn't need focused groups

729
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Speaker 2: and polling and all that other bats like people could

730
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Speaker 2: just say yeah, I'll be a leader on this. I

731
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Speaker 2: think the best leaders are the ones who don't want it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like even like the funniest comedians are the

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Speaker 2: people you know that would never go up on stage, right,

735
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Speaker 2: And it's kind of the same thing. And I think, like,

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Speaker 2: if you really want to kick ass in this next election,

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party, unselected, advice from someone who knows, who is

738
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Speaker 2: not a political scientist, find someone who's real, find someone

739
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Speaker 2: outside of the bubble. And if you have someone in

740
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Speaker 2: the bubble, like you got to break away, you have

741
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Speaker 2: to almost say, like, I'm the anti Democrat, So.

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Speaker 1: I think, right, So the first thing that I totally

743
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Speaker 1: that I think that I just I want to be

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Speaker 1: part of discarding the idea that we should have an

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Speaker 1: admissions process to the presidential race, right that is DC

746
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Speaker 1: controlled and media controlled and higher article like you have

747
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Speaker 1: to be a senator or you have to be a governor.

748
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Speaker 1: If I had to make a broad stereotypical decision, right,

749
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Speaker 1: and I had to disqualify a group right as a

750
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Speaker 1: group from being able to be considered for president, I

751
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: would wipe away the senators and governors. Right, if I

752
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: could only name two groups, like none of you would

753
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: be allowed to run. Right, But of course, right, you

754
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: don't want to just qualify anybody. But let's let's get

755
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: into right what I think is important, which is expanding

756
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Speaker 1: right the pool of consideration by dropping it down to

757
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Speaker 1: include some members of Congress right. And typically the member

758
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Speaker 1: of Congress right is not viewed by the national media,

759
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Speaker 1: which I think has lost all authority, uh to to

760
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Speaker 1: really kind of referee the pre primary process. But I think,

761
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Speaker 1: but I think that there are a couple of House

762
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Speaker 1: members that I think are really interesting presidential candidates on

763
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Speaker 1: Democratic side.

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is, though Steve like, governors will always

765
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Speaker 2: be like, well, you need executive skills, like, they'll always

766
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Speaker 2: play that up.

767
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they will. But I but I think, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's a I think the character side of

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Speaker 1: this will will will kind of supersede. So I like,

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Speaker 1: I like AOC in the race. I like Auchincloss in

771
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Speaker 1: the race. And they're about the same age, you know,

772
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Speaker 1: thirty eight for me is about that that's as young

773
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Speaker 1: as I can go. Right, she'll she'll be on the line, right.

774
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Speaker 1: Auchincloss is a is a little bit is a little

775
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Speaker 1: bit older. I like, I like, I hope wrote Connell

776
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: be in the race. And I think Jason Krow I

777
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: think all four of them is House members, very serious

778
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: candidates for for for president and the governor side of it.

779
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Speaker 1: I think Mikey Cheryl is a top tier presidential candidate

780
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Speaker 1: in in and she'll have been governor for three years

781
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Speaker 1: and she'll be a successful governor presuming she she makes

782
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Speaker 1: it through. I think Pritzker The Nation magazine said he's

783
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Speaker 1: the best governor in the country by accomplishment and record.

784
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Speaker 1: He's had a very tough job in in Illinois. Pritzker

785
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Speaker 1: understands the moment and he has given a series of

786
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Speaker 1: interviews and speeches that I think have met it and

787
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Speaker 1: on the merits, I put him there right from a

788
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Speaker 1: from a leadership capacity, Uh, that's there. I think in

789
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Speaker 1: the governors you got you got Shapiro and more. And

790
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Speaker 1: I think that that is the I think that's the

791
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Speaker 1: top tier. I think that I think that Mayor Pete

792
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: is not fresh or new anymore and his platform uh

793
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: coming in. Uh. That he's smart, I have no doubt

794
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Speaker 1: of that. He's fluent in eight languages. I find impressive.

795
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Speaker 1: I like it that he's a Rhodes scholar. I like

796
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Speaker 1: it that he's an officer. But I also think that

797
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: he falls in a category of people politically that just

798
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Speaker 1: genetically were inclined to start preparing their presidential campaigns between

799
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Speaker 1: age four and six. And he's in that category.

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Speaker 2: If you ran for student council president, no, no.

801
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: If you're a student council acidymist, no. So like, I

802
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: think all of those people, all of those people. And

803
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: then I think on the Senate side, a John osaf

804
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: after reelection, I could see making a run. I could

805
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: see a Tim Ryan as governor, people demanding he get

806
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: in and drafted, whether whether he wanted it or not,

807
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: because a Republican can't win without Ohio. And so like,

808
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: that to me is kind of the top tier right

809
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: list right now, that you know, and then there's going

810
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: to be a lane of unknowns, right you know, whether

811
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: it's a Clooney or some person in the culture who's

812
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: able to capture. Captured over right, Deborah. We have Deborah

813
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: North here saying we keep skipping over Shapiro. We haven't

814
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Speaker 1: Shapiro's on the list. I just said, he's a top tier,

815
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Speaker 1: top tier governor.

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Speaker 3: Mark Cuban, what do you think he's interested?

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Speaker 1: He is interesting. He is interesting, I said. When they said,

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Speaker 1: when somebody says Shapiro said no. Nobody has said no

819
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Speaker 1: unless they've issued the Sherman sque statement. It's not a

820
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: it's never a no. They all want to be president.

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Speaker 2: I think that, Yeah, I don't never no means yes

822
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: in politics. By the way, right multiplace no means yes.

823
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: It's in politics.

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00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: I think you have to be able to. I think

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00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: you have to fundamentally be able to articulate what it

826
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Speaker 1: is that you want to do as president and how

827
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Speaker 1: and how you lead after this. So, for example, right,

828
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Speaker 1: it requires in the moment to conceptualize the picture of

829
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Speaker 1: the inauguration around Trump with all of the oligarchs, and

830
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: that is the appropriate word for it. It's exactly whether

831
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: it is seated in front of his cabinet. It was

832
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: a symbol meant to intimidate, meant to express power by

833
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: the force of submission, and they all submitted, and so

834
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: you have that photograph. And so when the Democrats run.

835
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Speaker 1: One of the things, right that that has to be

836
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: talked about, is that the breakup of the concentrations of

837
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: power and well that are so destabilizing to the free

838
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: market system, and an appreciation that FDR saved capitalism, didn't

839
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: threaten it, right, through reform, and so what we will

840
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: experience as a country right in the next let's call

841
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: it three months, is going to be very very very

842
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: hard for working class people, for a lot of Trump voters,

843
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people who have been abused

844
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: by lies, been abused by power, been abused by self interest,

845
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: that have been deceived by all manner of different categories

846
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: of grifters. And it's a it's a real test, right

847
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: I think ahead for people basically to communicate like who

848
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: is on your side? And that's the that's the test, right,

849
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: that's the that's the question. And you know it'll be

850
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: interesting as we kind of get into and we get

851
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: into the routine and doing this once a week where

852
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: we talk about where we talk about the politics of

853
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: it and watch the watch the developments ahead. You have

854
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: your finger on the pulse of that, ye think better

855
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: than most everybody, right, That's that's covering this stuff.

856
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: I think the thing is character is so important right now,

857
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Speaker 2: and like you've always said that, but I feel like

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Speaker 2: you know it just that's going to be everything. When

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Speaker 2: you are in the approval rating at twenty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: The only way to rebuild yourself is through honesty. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how else they can do it, really, and

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Speaker 2: some radical changes. I don't mean like radical shifts the

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Speaker 2: left or radical shifts the center right. I mean radical

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Speaker 2: changes about the way that the party exists, Transparency, off

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Speaker 2: tops of reports, coming forward, people speaking openly, and then

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Speaker 2: moving forward. It's just like it's there's no other way forward.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've worked with people before that are in

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Speaker 2: places like that's where they have to atone for what

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Speaker 2: they've done, and isn't the best, isn't the best? Advice?

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Speaker 2: Always sorry? And this is how I'm going to move forward.

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Speaker 1: I would I'll tell you, I'll tell you a great

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Speaker 1: Arnold Schwartzenegger's story, and then that'll cap it for our hour.

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Speaker 1: Arnold Schwartzenegger is a really talent candidate. And when I

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Speaker 1: got to California, he had been completely tanked by the

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Speaker 1: team that had been in there before, and Maria Shriver

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Speaker 1: cleaned house. Arnold got a Democratic chief of staff named

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Speaker 1: Susan Kennedy, who was my partner. I came in, I

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Speaker 1: ran the campaign, and I did that with my friend

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Speaker 1: Matthew Dad. And we have this first meeting with Arnold

881
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Speaker 1: and his approval level had been down about twenty nine

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Speaker 1: percent because he had tried to impose these four ballot

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Speaker 1: initiative reforms on California. The Unions crushed them, lost his

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Speaker 1: popularity and I come in and I said, too much. Well, Governor,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad news in the poll. Right.

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Speaker 1: People are very angry with you. You have a twenty

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Speaker 1: nine percent approval level. There's a list of like fifteen

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Speaker 1: different Democrats that could all be the nominee, and every

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Speaker 1: one of them will beat you. It was like about

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Speaker 1: eleven months to go. I said, but there's a piece

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Speaker 1: of good news in the poll, and it was that

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Speaker 1: people still generally like you and they want to see

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Speaker 1: you succeed. So basically, if you go out, you say

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Speaker 1: a version of well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I

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Speaker 1: did this the wrong way and I didn't listen, but

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Speaker 1: I hear you all out and clear, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do better. Trust me, I want to be the governor

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Speaker 1: that you elected. And I say, you got to act

899
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Speaker 1: like completely different, right. You gotta be magnanimous and gracious,

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Speaker 1: No more action jackets. You've got to be in a suit, right,

901
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: sleeves rolled up. You gotta be like on the levee,

902
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Speaker 1: saying We're not gonna have right at Katrina. Here in Sacramento.

903
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight the Bush administration. So you gotta be

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Speaker 1: magnanimous at all times. You can't ever call the Democrats

905
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Speaker 1: girly men again, right, you gotta you gotta be, you

906
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Speaker 1: gotta be for working with everyone. Right, And and so

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Speaker 1: I went on for this whole thing, and Schwarzenegger doesn't

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Speaker 1: say a word. And this is this incredible office, right.

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Speaker 1: He's got the Terminator exoskeleton right outside the dorehere, he's

910
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Speaker 1: got the Harrier jet above the pool table, there's Jackson

911
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Speaker 1: Pollocks and the Mister Universe trophies and it's it's an

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Speaker 1: amazing space. And he doesn't say a word. He's just

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Speaker 1: smoking a cigar for a minute. And he goes yeah,

914
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Speaker 1: he goes absolutely, I will play this role perfectly. And

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Speaker 1: and and then he said, you want to have some

916
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Speaker 1: schnops and we'll have some lunch.

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Speaker 3: And I almost felt like I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: About and but Arnold Schwarzenegger was liberated to be himself,

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Speaker 1: and he became a really really really good governor, right,

920
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Speaker 1: and he did a lot of really important things right

921
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Speaker 1: and made made a big difference, and he had a

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Speaker 1: bipartisan team of people around him. And it's a real model,

923
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Speaker 1: right about how you can come back, how you can

924
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Speaker 1: win with a party letter next to you in a

925
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Speaker 1: state that is for the other party, how to be

926
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Speaker 1: an independent voice, and all of those things. So right,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are no permanent victories and defeats in

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Speaker 1: American life, in American politics, and you know the fundamental

929
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Speaker 1: requirements of this moment politically or to realize the exigent

930
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Speaker 1: crisis of our politics. And you know that is going

931
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Speaker 1: to be the test. And in the end, you know

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Speaker 1: what I've said to a lot of candidates, I said,

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Speaker 1: have you ever have you have you watched eighteen eighty three,

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Speaker 1: which is which is the Taylor Sheridan head, the prequel

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Speaker 1: to Yellowstone. And it's interesting to me when when a

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Speaker 1: person wants to be president says no, and I say, well,

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Speaker 1: do you think that watching something that tens of millions

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Speaker 1: of people saw, right somehow hinders you? Does it take

939
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Speaker 1: time away from being able to watch this something that

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand people are watching in the afternoon, like your

941
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Speaker 1: cable news dive. Right, So like if there's a cultural

942
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Speaker 1: connection in a show that's a big hit, right, it

943
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: just has relevance to you as a candidate who wants

944
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Speaker 1: to understand the country that you want to lead. But

945
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Speaker 1: what that show is about, really told through a young

946
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Speaker 1: woman's eyes, is the journey of life and what happens

947
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Speaker 1: on that journey can be a meaningful life, even if

948
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Speaker 1: in the end it's a short life. And it's a profound, right,

949
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Speaker 1: kind of exploration of what matters right in the larger context.

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Speaker 1: And so when I was in the White House, and

951
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Speaker 1: I'll close it out with this, it is so on

952
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Speaker 1: point on the Bush campaign when it turned on and

953
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Speaker 1: we knew John Kerry was going to be the nominee.

954
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Speaker 1: If we were a football team, we would have opened

955
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Speaker 1: up with five interceptions, two fumbles, and a personal foul.

956
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: And a bunch of us got a got a call

957
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Speaker 1: to come up to the residents and to go and

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Speaker 1: see Bush. And we were going over there and we're like,

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Speaker 1: we're all going to get fired by the president, right,

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Speaker 1: like we're like in the first week, right in the

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Speaker 1: first week, like like we're the biggest fucking losers of

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Speaker 1: all time, right on this this is terrible. And and

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Speaker 1: Bush was not known, right, and he is mellowed right

964
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Speaker 1: by by Couch, right, but he was edgy and right

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Speaker 1: not tolerate, like you know, know the types of stuff

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Speaker 1: that we were doing. And so we got there and

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Speaker 1: he was, like everybody relaxed, and he talked about that

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Speaker 1: he had been around all his dad's campaigns and he

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Speaker 1: had picked up this insight having done it, that it

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Speaker 1: just strips you there. It reveals you for who you are.

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Speaker 1: And at some level it's a it's a character test.

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Speaker 1: And so now the test, right and what the country

973
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Speaker 1: will be looking for is oppositional qualities to Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: manifested in the form of an American leader who's able

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Speaker 1: to connect with the American heartland and remind people that

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Speaker 1: there's a great deal we all share in comment against

977
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Speaker 1: this gospel of division that's that's playing out. And it's

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Speaker 1: a really profound test the temperament uh and character and

979
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Speaker 1: honesty and resolve and the personality types that engage in it. Right,

980
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Speaker 1: who seek to lead, they're not they're not owned, they're

981
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Speaker 1: not owed anything by all of you good people on

982
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Speaker 1: this right, they owe you something and and they ought

983
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Speaker 1: to be put to the test. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: really urge you to follow the Red Letter Show to

985
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Speaker 1: show the very show right, just the best at doing

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Speaker 1: this and so thank you Tarr. We're gonna do this

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Speaker 1: every week. Yeah, and it's uh, it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: And again, this is the Warning and the Red Letter together,

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Speaker 1: and thank all of you for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Steve appreciate it, and thank you

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Speaker 2: all for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the Warning. I invite you

993
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: to join this community where I promise to be honest,

994
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: blunt and direct about what is happening in this country.

995
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: America is in crisis. Follow and subscribe to this channel

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