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Todd, thank you for joining 39 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: Sunday the Road Forward. It is great to see you. 40 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 5: Rian. 41 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 6: Good to be with you again. 42 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: So Todd, I really appreciate what City Serve is doing 43 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: in the Hill country of Texas. We lost some precious lives. 44 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: I'll just say, for my part in it, that's my 45 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: home stomping grounds. I spent a lot of time in 46 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: Austin and in that area around the Guadaloupe River. What 47 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: is City Serve doing right now in the humanitarian crisis 48 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: from the moment it started even until now. 49 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 7: Well, as you know, Ryan, that was just such a 50 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 7: devastating event. Unlike a hurricane, where you have several days 51 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 7: to be able to prepare, they literally had several minutes. 52 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 7: They're used to flooding on the Guadalupe River, they're used 53 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 7: to having waters rise, but to the proportion that it 54 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 7: did and how fat acid. Literally in a matter of minutes, 55 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 7: people were being swept away. Over one hundred and nineteen 56 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 7: precious people lost their lives, many of them were children 57 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 7: at the camps, and so literally the City Serve went 58 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 7: in immediately began to help those who had lost their homes, 59 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 7: those living in the RV parks which were just swept away, 60 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 7: all of them quite frankly, were just swept away. Emergency housing, food, clothing, 61 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 7: things of that nature that was immediate. But what City 62 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 7: Serve has done and what I love about what we 63 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 7: have is called the Compassion Collective, where City Serve in 64 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 7: a World Vision and a National Faith Advisory Board in 65 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 7: Apollo White Ministries, National Faith Advisory Board and many many 66 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 7: others quite frankly that come together. Each have great lanes, 67 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 7: but we together we create this super highway of hope. 68 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 7: And that's what we're doing even now now, Ryan, we 69 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 7: take a little different approach. City Serve is not a 70 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 7: disaster relief organization. We're a church empowerment organization. So everything 71 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 7: that we do we do through the local church, and 72 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 7: the reason being is they were there before the disaster, 73 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 7: during it, and they're going to be there long after. 74 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 7: But we believe in going first of all, where the 75 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 7: cameras are not number two. We believe in going in 76 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 7: after with our complete game plan when everyone else is left. Listen, 77 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 7: the reality is disasters have about a two week lifespan. 78 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 7: In fact, you're not even hearing anything about the Texas 79 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 7: Fledge and the news cycle now, and most disaster relief 80 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 7: organizations they leave and we don't. We stay long and 81 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 7: go deep So what we've done is we have settled 82 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 7: in in the community of San Angelos, which is about 83 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 7: three miles from the Hill Country, about three hours from 84 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 7: the Hill Country. That was where the most property loss 85 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 7: was done. Between six and seven hundred homes had a 86 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 7: minimum of four feet of water in them. Five to 87 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 7: six thousand homes were damaged by the flood. We're going 88 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 7: to continue to work and hunt in Ingram in Kerr 89 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 7: County and meat needs there. But these folks who quite frankly, 90 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 7: no cameras were in San Angelo and there's zero disaster 91 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 7: relief organizations there now with the exception of City Serving 92 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 7: our Compassion Collective, and so we're planning our hat there 93 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 7: and going to help the folks get back on their feet. 94 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 6: Wow. 95 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: That is absolutely incredible, and I think a lot of 96 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: times when national attention will turn away as you've even communicated, 97 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, it is a reminder that there are people 98 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: still broken, and they're still in need, and they do 99 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: need people reaching out and offering them aid. We just 100 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: experienced this even last year in North Carolina with the 101 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: hurricanes that went through there, and we saw how poorly 102 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: equipped at that time that FEMA was under the Biden 103 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: administration to actually help. You guys have doing a lot internationally. 104 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: You're doing stuff over there in Israel. I think there's 105 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: a lot of misinformation that is out there, a lot 106 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: of propagandizing by the left and those in mainstream media 107 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: that are trying to prop up false narratives surrounding what 108 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: is actually happening on the ground in Israel. Reminding our 109 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: viewers even this morning that October the seventh, twenty twenty three, 110 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: was one of the largest massacres of Jewish people since 111 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: the Holocaust. This was not something that they started, This 112 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: is not something that they instigated. That there was no 113 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: fair fight. These were civilians that were being targeted. They 114 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: were they were many of them were taken captive and 115 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: held for ransom. And this was a terror. This was 116 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: an act of terror. City service there. You guys are 117 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: doing some stuff on the ground there even now. Just 118 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: give our viewers a glimpse of what's happening, both I 119 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: think politically, but then also in the humanitarian work that's happening. 120 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 6: Well. 121 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 7: October seventh was the most infamous day in Israel's history 122 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 7: outside of the Holocaust. And you know, really what makes 123 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 7: us even more difficult to swallow is the Jewish people 124 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 7: living on the Gaza border man. They took care of 125 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 7: the Palestinians that were living in Gaza. They were helping 126 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 7: them with humanitarian aid and need food, the medical. What 127 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 7: they were doing for them was extraordinary to their enemies, 128 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 7: to people that they knew hated them and wanted to 129 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 7: eliminate them, but they still reached out their hands and helped. 130 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 7: And and that needs to be told loud and often 131 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 7: is the heart of the Israeli people is huge, and 132 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 7: they loved on and they helped their their neighbors living 133 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 7: in the Gaza strip. Well that day, you know, we 134 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 7: we came in right after October seventh and we adopted 135 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 7: an Absorb, which is a community three miles from the 136 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 7: Gods of Border. It is the only one out of 137 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 7: the thirty three communities attack that successfully defended itself against 138 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 7: the mos terrorists with four rifles in a rock sort 139 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 7: of a made for TV movie here. And we have 140 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 7: a hub pod model in with city serv and so 141 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 7: we resource a hub and then they resource pods or 142 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 7: points of distribution. So as we are focusing on an Absorb, 143 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 7: because they're intact, they're able to help all of their 144 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 7: surrounding kibbutzes like Kibbutz Barri or Kibbutz near Oz. They 145 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 7: had twenty five percent of its people that are killed 146 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 7: or kidnapped by Hamas on that day. And so we're 147 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 7: building a sports complex there for the whole Eshviel Valley, 148 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 7: the whole escal. Reason say, why are you doing that? 149 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 7: Why are you building a sports complex three miles from 150 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 7: an active war zone? And the reason is real simple one. 151 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 7: We need to bring normality and normality back. 152 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 6: To that region. 153 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 7: The second reason is this, that area is riddled with kids. 154 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 7: It is a community of children and for twelve hundred residents, 155 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 7: five hundred school aged children below. And we know that 156 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 7: the greatest antidote for childhood trauma is play therapy. So 157 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 7: we have built tennis courts and pickleball courts, and we 158 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 7: have basketball courts and soccer fields going in, and we 159 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 7: have a ninja training facilit going in as well. And 160 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 7: what it's done is has brought life back to that 161 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 7: region and some normality. Kids are out playing, they're laughing 162 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 7: in the midst of all that's going around them. They're 163 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 7: back to living. 164 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for what you're doing. At City serve 165 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: to show real compassion to people that are hurting, whether 166 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: it be in the Hill Country, Texas, or at the 167 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: southern border or even over at Gaza. 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Virgil is the co 204 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: host of the Just Thinking podcast. He is also a writer, 205 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: cultural commentator, and contributor at the Standing for Freedom Center. 206 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: Is most recent book, A Biblical Theology of Climate Change, 207 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: is out now now. Virgil, Welcome to Sunday the Road Forward. 208 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: Great to see you, Hey. 209 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 6: Always great to be with you, Ryan, Thanks for having me. 210 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: I so appreciate the writing you're doing at the Standing 211 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: for Freedom Center, And certainly I have bias on that 212 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: one because I love the Standing for Freedom Center. But 213 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: there is a report from the Family Research Council. It 214 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: looks back on the years from twenty eighteen to really 215 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: up into twenty twenty four. The title of the study 216 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: is called Hostility against Churches in the United States. This 217 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: study was conducted where much of the activity that was 218 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: going around the Biden administration and even back to Trump's 219 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: first administration, we saw a growing hostility of violence. We 220 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: saw also a lot of ambivalence towards churches. There was 221 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: quite a bit of vandalism. And I think it said 222 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: something like I've got this quote here, but about one thousand, three, 223 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty four acts of a hostility from 224 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen to twenty twenty four. Virgil. This is not 225 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: something we're hearing in the media. This is not something 226 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: the media is talking about all that much. We just 227 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: saw a shooting a couple of weeks ago outside of 228 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: the Pursuit Church there in the state of Washington. And Seattle. 229 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I think Russell Johnson's the pastor. This was a young man, 230 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: a husband of father, I think, who had just recently 231 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: given his life to Christ and perhaps, and we don't 232 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: know exactly the circumstances surrounding that, but this was a 233 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: targeted act of violence towards that church and particularly towards 234 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: this individual. But that's just one of many happenings around 235 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: the United States. What's going on? Break it down for us. 236 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting Ran as I kind of examine what's 237 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 6: taking place with regard to the violence. What you see 238 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 6: is right around twenty twenty, with all that was going 239 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 6: on with BLM and you know, in Antifa and the like, 240 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 6: in culture, you see that then mimicked by others aimed 241 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 6: toward directed towards the church. You see this increase right 242 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 6: about twenty twenty two, and there's just an explosion. And 243 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 6: I really attribute that to the acceptance of the violence 244 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 6: by the previous administration. Biden and others always seem to 245 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 6: believe that church culture in particular is an existential threat 246 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 6: to democracy. Whether it's the belief that we hold that 247 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 6: marriage is between a man and a woman, whether it's 248 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 6: the idea that children, shouldn't be shouldn't be engaged in 249 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 6: mutilation and then call it some form of a benefit 250 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 6: to them as it relates to gener related issues. Gender 251 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 6: affirming cares the word I'm looking for. When you think 252 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 6: about the fact that the church is willing to take 253 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 6: a stand, willing to stand on biblical truth, and what 254 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 6: they're experiencing as a result are acts violence. It's something 255 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 6: that should be reported on, it's something that we should 256 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 6: be talking about, and it's something we should stand against. 257 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. There's a there's a sense in 258 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: which what we're seeing in the US that's playing out, 259 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: there's a vacuum. There's a vacuum of authority when it 260 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: comes to our understanding of self governance. Going all the 261 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: way back to our founding two hundred and fifty years ago, 262 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: we knew that the bedrock of that was always faith. 263 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: Faith and freedom are inextricably linked. You can't you know, 264 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: the obvious question is free to do what? And what 265 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: makes what makes men free? What makes women free? And 266 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: if you don't have that basis of faith, and you 267 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: don't have that prioritization of loves and allegiances, ultimately an 268 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: allegiance to God first, an allegiance to the family, to 269 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the church, and then allegiance to the civic sphere. When 270 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: you break all of that down and you just have secularism, 271 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you don't have any bedrock foundation 272 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: on which to build freedom. And so in there was 273 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of this. There are a lot of normal people 274 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: out there, Virgil and maybe some people watching me this morning, 275 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: and they don't understand how it all works between Christianity 276 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: and then the civic space. But when they see society 277 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: break down and they're seeing secularism fail to deliver on 278 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: its promises, and then there's all this, you know, bent 279 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: towards statism, and we need more control, and we need 280 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: to take power away from the people, and we need 281 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: to have stronger forms of government, you know, bigger machine 282 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: pulling the levers in order to control the mass of 283 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: the people. There's a lot of wisdom going back to 284 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: our founding and saying, hey, wait a second. The Church 285 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: and the Gospel have always played it an integral part 286 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 1: in the formation of this country and also keeping this 287 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: country anchored in to something so that we could be. 288 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 6: Free Rightslutely, absolutely, I think the reality is we've gotten 289 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 6: so far away from those bedrock ideas we've walked. We 290 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 6: really have come to believe that it is secularism that's 291 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 6: provided the success that we see, the American exceptionalism that 292 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 6: we see in experience in culture today. And nothing could 293 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 6: be further from the truth. It's the ideas that really 294 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 6: formulated from Christian beliefs, from Christian values, from a biblical worldview, 295 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 6: that have been the source of our strength as a nation. 296 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 6: And as a result, we have the rule of law, 297 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 6: we have a constitution, we have things that provide safety 298 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 6: and provide an atmosphere by which businesses can engage in 299 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 6: commerce by which apolism can thrive. And uh and and 300 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 6: and our country experienced the great wealth that we've we've 301 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 6: had over the over the over the over the years. 302 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 6: What what we're seeing now though, right now is a 303 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 6: rejection of the Church, a rejection of the biblical standard 304 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 6: by which all of those things were set in place 305 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 6: to function. And so UH, people, young people in particular, 306 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 6: those who are engaged in these acts of vandalism, the 307 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 6: acts of arson that we're in we're in the report. Uh. 308 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 6: They're seeing the church as the as the as a 309 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 6: part of the problem. 310 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 5: UH. 311 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 6: And it's only because historically speaking, we haven't trained them 312 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 6: and let them know from an educational standpoint, uh or 313 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 6: otherwise that it is the church which is the bedrock 314 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 6: of the United States. 315 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's also a growing rift. We've talked about it 316 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: many times on this show and in other forums and formats. 317 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: There is a growing rift in the in the younger generation. 318 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 8: Uh. 319 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: There are those who are kind of coming back to 320 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: uh some kind of symbol of tradition, of Christian heritage. 321 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: Some are going to the Catholic Church. Some are showing 322 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: up on Sunday morning at an evangelical church somewhere in 323 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: the United States. Some are purchasing Bibles for the first time. 324 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: We're seeing Bible sales go up. People are young people 325 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: in particular, are looking for so many of them are 326 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: groping for and I mean this with a kind of blindness, 327 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: right that don't quite understand, but know that somewhere in 328 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: there God, faith, religion, Christianity must be the answer, because 329 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: that's what is missing, and so they're they're looking for that. 330 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: The other part asst a riff. The other part of 331 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: that is the the the other half, which is saying 332 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: they're diving further and further and further into this kind 333 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: of ultra left wing Marxist We need to have the proletariat, 334 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, overturn. I'm thinking of the Zoram Mamdani's of 335 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: the world, were saying, Hey, we just need to have 336 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: a distributive model. We need we need to tear down 337 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: the patriarchy, need to tear down all these institutions, and 338 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: we just need to start over. Declare it year zero 339 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: all over again. Let'sten to the French Revolution here in 340 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: the United States, and and let's try something new. What 341 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: are you seeing there as you observed? 342 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what two things as you kind of unpacked that. 343 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 6: On the one end, those who are violent toward the church, 344 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 6: those who are angry at institutions, willing and ready to 345 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 6: tear them down. Those folks are seen as the victim class, 346 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 6: and as a result, they get a pass, so you 347 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 6: don't see as much news coverage about them, and you 348 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 6: don't see as much a conversation about the acts of 349 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 6: violence perpetrated on the church. On the other hand, you 350 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 6: have this other group, to the point you're making a remnant, 351 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 6: if you will, of young people who are waking up 352 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 6: to the fact that, you know what, what we have 353 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 6: is not working. What's going what's going on in culture 354 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 6: is not working, and I need something more. And so 355 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 6: they're looking for the the Christian ethos, if you will. 356 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 6: They're looking for the Word of God. They're looking and 357 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 6: I think you said it very well, they're groping towards something, 358 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 6: trying to identify something that works, because they recognize what 359 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 6: they're in and involved in does not work. That too, 360 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 6: is something that's going unnoted. That too, is something that 361 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 6: is being underplayed because what that does is that brings 362 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 6: back the standard that we once held as a nation. 363 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 6: And so you're seeing both stories responded to in like 364 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 6: fashion for very different reasons as it pertains to these 365 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 6: two groups. 366 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: Virgil Walker, thank you so much for joining Sunday The 367 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: Road Forward. It's great to see you this morning. 368 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 6: Always great to be with you. Thanks for having me. 369 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: Don't miss the world's premiere Christian counseling conference event, the 370 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five AACC United World Conference. 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She's the author of the 396 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: most recent book, targeted One Mom's fight for life, liberty, 397 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: and the pursuit of happiness. Her work is widely recognized 398 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: by the left, who coined the name Patriot. Barbie. Lindsey, 399 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. It's great to see you. 400 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and thanks for giving the left 401 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: credit for giving you my name. I'm sure it just 402 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 4: stings them every time you do that. 403 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, listen, you know that's the thing, like, where 404 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: as a badge of honor, all right, and they recognize 405 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: what you're doing, the work that you're doing in the 406 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: fight for freedom, in the fright, the fight for your kids. 407 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: And then I think, I think it's really important as 408 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: people know and recognize what you do. They're the ones 409 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: who shut you down, right, I mean, so they came 410 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: looking for you. You didn't pick this fight. 411 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I certainly certainly fought back, And I love 412 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 4: that that's the story. You know, I'm not narcissistic enough 413 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 4: to call myself the patriot actually nothing like Barbie, but 414 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 4: they they coined it as a way to insult me 415 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 4: and boy I just had enough, so I changed everything 416 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 4: to the Patriot Barbie. And it's the kind of thing 417 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 4: and I go to this day who that person is, 418 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: because of course they're always anonymous when they attack you online. 419 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 4: If that person just cringes every time they hear me, 420 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 4: is introduced as the Patriot Barbie. 421 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's that's great. I can't help but notice 422 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: there's some items in the in the news and the 423 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: cultural front. It's quite entering. And one of the things 424 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: is that in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, there's like four 425 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: commonwealths in the United States, there is a potential landmark 426 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: case that is coming up to perhaps overturn the Obergefell 427 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: decision back in twenty thirteen, which is quite interesting. I 428 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: think this is Kim Davis. Those who recognized the name, 429 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: she's been in the news before. But what's interesting about 430 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: the story, Lindsay, is that when you pull most Americans, 431 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: say ten or fifteen years ago, most Americans were open 432 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: to the idea, had a more libertarian understanding of marriage 433 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: and civil union, and thought, hey, we need to keep 434 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: the government out of this. Interestingly enough, I think it 435 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: was the whole Trands and the drag Queen and the 436 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: enforcement of these standards in education, where children were being 437 00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: indoctrinated and hyper sexualized by our schools and their curriculum 438 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: that was force feeding six, seven and eight year olds 439 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of pornographic material that should not be in 440 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: the hands of kids at age or at any age, 441 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: honestly of a minor. You know, it's detrimental to society. 442 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: And so what is fascinating is that if you look 443 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: at public polling now, not only is transgender polling low, 444 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: but what is trending back now is that the rest 445 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: of the LGBT mafia, many Americans are now second guessing 446 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: did we get this wrong in twenty thirteen? As people 447 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: of faith, as Christians, we recognize always first and foremost 448 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: that marriage is defined scripturally between a man and a woman, 449 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: that God has defined marriage. What are your thoughts on this? 450 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that there's there's a perhaps a potential 451 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: that America could go back. 452 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 4: Oh, it's possible. We've been talking about for the last problem. Well, 453 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: I've been talking about it for the last five years. 454 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: A lot of people were awake before me. But how 455 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 4: far the left has pushed and if they would just 456 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 4: be content with some of the things that they could get, 457 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: we probably wouldn't be in such a divided society, but 458 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 4: they taken it. You give them an inch, they take 459 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 4: a mile, and they push and they push and they push, 460 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 4: and they've pushed back far enough that moms like me 461 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 4: who were very libertarian prior to twenty twenty. I mean 462 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: I was in the hair industry that was a very 463 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 4: liberal culture, and I was very open minded and minding 464 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: my own business. But when they pushed too far, I 465 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: started to push back. And there they the more they 466 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 4: lean so severe left, the more the people even on 467 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 4: the center start to go more right because they say, 468 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 4: you know what, I was with you until that point. 469 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 4: And this is such a hot topic because there's no 470 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: way you're not going to offend anyone one. But when 471 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: you will live according to biblical standards, and when you 472 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 4: answer to a higher power that does exist, and you 473 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 4: are you know, you know that he exists, you're less 474 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 4: concerned with the politics of it, and you're more concerned 475 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 4: with the culture of it. And our society has not 476 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 4: seen an improvement in anything since legalizing gay marriage. In fact, 477 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: it's seen more of a decline. Like you were, like 478 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 4: you were stating earlier, off the air. And although it's 479 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: insulting to say politically that it shouldn't shouldn't exist, it's 480 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 4: also factual. Like everyone talks about the government church separation 481 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: of church and state right, and I know that you 482 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 4: know this right that was not to protect the government. 483 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 4: That was to protect the church right. And marriage started 484 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 4: as a biblical I mean, they did not have a 485 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 4: government back in the Old Testament and taking marriage fees 486 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 4: for your marriage application, and the government got into marriages 487 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: because they wanted to take the money, and they wanted 488 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 4: to and be able to tax couples for things and 489 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 4: make money on the marriage applications. This was always a 490 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 4: god anointed union and God stated it was between a 491 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 4: man and a woman. And so do whatever you want 492 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 4: over here on the government side, call it what you want. 493 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 4: That's a whole other topic. But as far as the 494 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 4: term marriage, that comes from the Bible, it comes from 495 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: God and it's between a man and a woman. And 496 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 4: even though that hurts feelings, those are also facts and 497 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 4: when you follow biblical law, that's what you stand on. 498 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting, and I this is some 499 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: this is a topic of debate even now. But when 500 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: it comes to the protection of children, family courts, you know, 501 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: civil courts, they always have a vested interest in what 502 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: is the best in the best interest of children. And 503 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: more recently we've seen there's a rise in surrogacy. It's 504 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: almost like a new industry. It's a commodificationation, if you will, 505 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: of children that you basically you're not adopting a living child, 506 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: but instead you're creating a child. You're bringing a child 507 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: into the world and then selling that child, stripping that 508 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: child from its actual birth mother, biological mother who we recognize. 509 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: Katie Foust and some others have done a deep dive 510 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: in studies on the psychological, emotional, and spiritual damage it 511 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: does to a child not being raised by a mother 512 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: and then giving that child to dads for example. There 513 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: there seems to be something amiss here that the most normal, 514 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: even the most uh, you know, non biblical, you know, 515 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: not non churched American says, wait a second, what's going 516 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: on here with this? And it almost seems as though 517 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: people are waking up for the first time and saying, Hey, 518 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: when I was signing on to this, this whole idea 519 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: of you know, gay marriage and equality, that's not what 520 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: I meant by that. 521 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 4: Right, very slow. Yes, I think I think it's dangerous 522 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 4: anytime and we continue to do this as humanity, anytime 523 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 4: that we decide that we're going to play God. And 524 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 4: so when you use the term, you know you're not 525 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 4: adopting a living human child that God created because God 526 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 4: creates all life. You are creating a child to purchase. 527 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 4: And that to me is the most alarming verbiage that 528 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 4: you used, because you really are playing God. This is 529 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 4: not naturally happening. You're taking I don't want to go 530 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 4: in detail. You're taking what it takes from a man 531 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 4: and woman. You're creating a human on your own, by 532 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 4: your own decision, and then you're selling that human or 533 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 4: you're purchasing that human. And I empathize this is a 534 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 4: very this is a very hard topic for me, Ryan 535 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 4: because I want to die on the hill of not 536 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: playing God. But then we have very sensitive topics as 537 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 4: a female that I empathize with, like women who have 538 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 4: barren wounds say well what about me? Then you're saying 539 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 4: I can't, you know, with my husband go and create 540 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 4: a child, and I can't. I just can't comment on 541 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 4: that because I can't. I can't hurt people in a 542 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 4: way and say that you know, you can't have what 543 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 4: medical science allows you to have, but we're using when 544 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 4: we do that. It's so scary because we do, we 545 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 4: trickle down this rabbit hole of Well, then now we've 546 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 4: allowed gay marriage, and now we've allowed two homosexual men 547 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 4: to say that since they're married, they have rights. And 548 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 4: if those rights to create a child or syrogate a child, 549 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 4: or adopt a child exists for married couples, well then 550 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 4: guess what we qualify And now we would like to 551 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 4: go adopt a boy. And you're right, a lot of us, 552 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 4: especially even myself again libertarian, prior to twenty twenty liberal beliefs, 553 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 4: didn't realize when you say yes to one thing kind 554 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 4: of what you're consenting to far down the road. 555 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I appreciate so much your testimony coming on. 556 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining Sunday The Road Forward. 557 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 6: Thanks ran. 558 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 5: Hi everyone. I'm doctor Tim Clinton, and you know how 559 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 5: important this is. It's my phone, it's my lifeline. 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He's 594 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: been featured on a variety of news outlets, including CBS, Fox, NBC, 595 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: and The Associated Press. Alex, thank you for joining Sunday 596 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: The Road Forward. It is great to see. 597 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 8: You, Ryan. It's always great to be with you. Thanks 598 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 8: for having me back on. Brother. 599 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: Well, I know that summer is coming to an end. 600 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: We're already in August. I mean we're like midway through 601 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: the month and that really can only mean one thing, 602 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: and that is back to school. But before we go 603 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: to back to school, there you're involved in a lot 604 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: of ministries reaching the next generation with the Gospel of 605 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, giving them a reason for the hope that 606 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: is in them, an apologetic for how to reach that 607 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: next generation. Tell us a little bit about what you 608 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: experienced over the summer and camps. Are you seeing Are 609 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: you seeing revival in this next generation? Are you seeing 610 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: hope in this next generation for the gospel? 611 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 8: Ryan, I absolutely am. There is a spiritual hunger, and 612 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 8: you know, even as you and I are having this conversation, 613 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 8: I am on my way to two things. Our final 614 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 8: camp of the summer. We've done seven youth camps, a 615 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 8: little over one thousand teenagers. We've been in Montana, we've 616 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 8: been in Georgia, and we're headed to the Hudson River 617 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 8: Valley of upstate New York and check this out. Okay, 618 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 8: Biblical Worldview Camp. Now, in the camps that we've been 619 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 8: doing for twenty five years, I mean, we do all 620 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 8: the fun camp stuff like zip lines and hiking and 621 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 8: all that, but we really drill down in God's Word 622 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 8: and we also look at the gospel scripture apologetics. The 623 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 8: camp we're doing in Upstate New York one hundred and 624 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 8: thirty students. We've had a waiting list. Finally about twenty 625 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 8: additional teenagers out of several regional youth groups. They said, look, 626 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 8: we'll camp in tents, not even staying in the dorms 627 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 8: or the cabins. If you'll let us come, we'll pitch 628 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 8: a tent and we'll camp out. So we've got besides 629 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 8: max capacity, twenty students and chaperones that are coming just 630 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 8: to stay intense because they're into it. Man. They love 631 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 8: to know what God's word says and how to defend it. 632 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 8: And we've had about three hundred students middle school and 633 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 8: high school praying to accept Christ this summer, brand new believers. 634 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 8: But Ryan, I was on Fox News about two months 635 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 8: ago with a rep from Barnes and Noble bookstore. Since COVID, 636 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 8: Bible sales, according to Barnes and Noble and we were 637 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 8: on this interview together, Bible sales have essentially doubled since COVID. 638 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 7: Wow. 639 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 8: And the majority of the people buying a copy of 640 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 8: the Word of God are like thirty and younger, and 641 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 8: especially young males eighteen to twenty two, late teens, early twenties. 642 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 8: And I just think it's because there is a real 643 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 8: spiritual hunger. What is life? Why am I here? What 644 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 8: about the state of the world, and how to build 645 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 8: my life in my soul on the solid ground of 646 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 8: Jesus Christ And We're just finding open hearts and receptive 647 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 8: ears everywhere we go. 648 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: Ryan, Amen. Amen. You know, there are so many statistics 649 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: that talk about the youngest generation being the most depressed, 650 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: the most isolated, suicide rates pretty high, especially coming out 651 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: of COVID. There were a lot of things that this 652 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: younger generation has been faced with the previous generations hadn't 653 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: had to. What are from your vantage point in dealing 654 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: with so many youth, what are some of the major 655 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: life questions or life issues that continue to come up 656 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: that kind of rear their head and you have to address. 657 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,439 Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's interesting, Like twenty five years ago, 658 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 8: I graduated from Liberty University with two degrees Glory to God, 659 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 8: and I was a youth pastor for a number of years. 660 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 8: And by the way, Ryan, at that point in the 661 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 8: mid nineties, when I was wrapping up Masters at Liberty, 662 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 8: they estimated the best research set like ninety four to 663 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 8: ninety six percent of American adults identified as Christian. Right now, 664 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 8: thirty years later, as of today I was prepping for 665 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 8: our conversation, sixty three percent of adults would identis Christians. 666 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 8: So we've lost thirty one to thirty three points in 667 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 8: the last three decades. Now, Glory to God. I think 668 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 8: the drop off has bottomed out and we're trending upward. 669 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 8: But here's the thing. Twenty five years ago, the questions 670 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 8: were like evidential. People were asking, you know, how do 671 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,439 Speaker 8: you really know that Christ rose from the dead? How 672 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 8: do you really know that the Bible manuscripts are true? 673 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,840 Speaker 8: And evidential apologetics is still important, but nowadays the questions 674 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 8: are all emotional. Really, if God loves me, why am 675 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 8: I hurting? I prayed and my mother and dad still 676 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 8: split up? Why did not God help me? And so 677 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 8: a lot of the apologetics and the for lack of 678 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 8: a better word, of persuasion in ministry is helping people 679 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 8: realize that, look, in a fallen world, bad stuff happens, 680 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 8: but God is still good and you can still trust 681 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 8: God because when we're falling, he'll catch us, and if 682 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 8: we're broken, he can heal us. The other thing, though, Ryan, 683 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 8: I got to tell you this, and God has been 684 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 8: so good to me. But the thing that second only 685 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 8: to my salvation, the thing that thrills my heart the most, 686 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 8: is that Angie and I just celebrated thirty six years 687 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 8: of marriage. 688 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: Oh, Praise the Lord congratulations. 689 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 8: Glory to God. So, yes, Angie has been my dear 690 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 8: Christian's bouast for thirty six years. So here's the thing. 691 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 8: This started like last summer and in all of our 692 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 8: camps this summer. So you know, we do a lot 693 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 8: of stuff together, but then we break up and we 694 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 8: have the female teens go with the women chaperones, and 695 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 8: we do a lot with the guys, you know. And 696 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 8: one of the questions that I mean already this summer 697 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 8: I've been asked half a dozen times in the open 698 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 8: mic Q and A. It will be like, mister McFarlane, 699 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 8: how do you what do you look for in a wife? 700 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 8: How did you and Angie get married? And let me 701 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 8: say this, I am thrilled that among young men, we're 702 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 8: seeing that on the bucket list of life goals is 703 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 8: to get married and build a family. 704 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 705 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,439 Speaker 8: See, this is awesome. Wells, As a writer and apologist, 706 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 8: you know, I'm all about the data, the content, the evidence, right, 707 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 8: But I'll say this to everybody, the future of the 708 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 8: American Church rises or falls on the state of the family. Yes, folks, 709 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 8: if you want to be blessed, be happy, and fulfill 710 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 8: Christ's great commission, be a champion for the family. Yeah, 711 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 8: and I'm passionately, passionately committed to that premise Ryan, that 712 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 8: the soul of America is defined by this state of 713 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 8: the family. And so the questions about marriage and family 714 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 8: and even practical questions like I had a guy asked me, 715 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 8: he said, how can I how can I know if 716 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 8: I can afford to get married? Well, that's just basic, 717 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 8: you know, prayer and math. But as much as I 718 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 8: love biblical worldview and theology and apologetics and believe me, 719 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 8: we're all about that, I love interacting with these these 720 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 8: young men that they just want to know. Okay, how 721 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 8: did you and Angie get married and build a life 722 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 8: for thirty six years? And yeah, how do I find 723 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 8: a Christian girl? 724 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:41,760 Speaker 1: Amen? 725 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 8: This is exciting. 726 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I love how you phrase it, how 727 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: you framed that. You know there was a time. I 728 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: think propositional truth and you know, being able to show 729 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: the evidence and give people a reason for the hope 730 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,439 Speaker 1: that is in us. I think a First Peter chapter three, 731 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: And we know about the historic resurrection, and we know 732 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 1: that the truth claims of Scripture are reliable, that they're true, 733 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: that they're historic. All of those things are great but 734 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,439 Speaker 1: it's relational too. It's like the questions of identity. Who 735 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: am I? What is God's purpose for my life? Why 736 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: do bad things happen to me? What's going on here? 737 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: People are asking and want to know those things. And 738 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: by the way, science can't answer those Christianity can, but 739 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 1: science can't answer those questions. And that's really really important. 740 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: We just have one moment, you know, I just want 741 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 1: to give you kind of a final thing. As you 742 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: pointed out, you know, addressing to young men how to 743 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: be men, young women how to be women, and the 744 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,800 Speaker 1: craziness of this upside down world right now where people 745 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: are trying to blur the lines between the distinction of 746 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: male and female. We know that God has a design 747 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: for male and female created in his image. Just a 748 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: final word on that. Are you hopeful that the young 749 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 1: men and women are going to figure this out? 750 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 8: I am absolutely hopeful, because, look, transgenderism and wokeness is 751 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 8: so counterintuitive, and we teach that, Look, your gender is 752 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 8: a part of the person God made you, and God 753 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 8: doesn't make mistakes and maleness and femaleness. For a man 754 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 8: to be masculine, that's a God honoring thing. For a 755 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 8: woman to be feminine. That's a God honoring thing. And 756 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,240 Speaker 8: so yes, I'm very hopeful. And look, the truth always wins, 757 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,439 Speaker 8: even as the culture has gotten dark and lost its 758 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 8: way to a large degree, like it was in the 759 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 8: Dark Ages, in the Middle Ages. The seat of intellect, art, literature, 760 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 8: beauty and truth for living, it's within the Body of 761 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 8: Christ and the Church of the Lord Jesus a man. 762 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: We'll leave it there. Alex MacFarlane, thank you so much 763 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: for jumping on. We really appreciate you coming on. 764 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 8: This lessens to you, my friend. 765 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,839 Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim 766 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a 767 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 2: part of your life. 768 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: Thank you for watching Sunday The Road Forward. Doctor Adrian 769 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: Rogers once said, as the West goes, so goes the world. 770 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: As America goes, so goes the West. As Christianity goes, 771 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: so goes America. As evangelicals go, so goes Christianity. He 772 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,879 Speaker 1: then said, I'm firmly convinced that if we would clean 773 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: up the pulpits of America, we'd go a long way 774 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: to cleaning up America. Let's pray for revival and for 775 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: revival to begin in our churches. I'll leave you with 776 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:53,240 Speaker 1: that note until next time. God bless you head by 777 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,399 Speaker 1: God come