1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: Campsite Media. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: Gayb Ortiz left Brazoria County, where he lived his entire life, 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: in the fall of nineteen ninety two, when he was 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: nineteen years old. He wasn't going far, just to Blackland 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Air Force Base for basic training. The base is on 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: the west side of San Antonio, four hours from home, 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: three and a half if he step on it. But 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: for Gabe that was practically another country. He'd never been 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: that far from home, and for his little brother Larry, 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: San Antonio might as well have been the Moon. It 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: was impossibly far away. Larry was fifteen years old and 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: Gabe was his best friend, his idol, his mentor, and 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: then he was gone. There were no video chats in 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, no FaceTime or zoom, and even an 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: old fashioned phone call was long distance, which means it 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: was too expensive. So there was a void, an immense 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: airless gap between Larry and his brother. But there was 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: one more Ortiz sibling still at home at Lasha was eleven, 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: four years younger than Larry, the same age difference between 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: Larry and Gabe, and Alisha adores him. So now Larry's 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: the big brother, the idol, the mentor. 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: I was always kind of just following in his footsteps. 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: If Larry was on top of the roof at my grandma's, Hey, 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: I was gonna go climb the roof too. I could 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: do it, or climbing trees. I can remember him telling 26 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: me Lisha, if you want to play with us, you 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: gotta do what we do. He'd be like, okay, well 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: you could still come hang out with me. Like when 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: he started up this this gang. 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: This was shortly after Gabe left for the Air Force. 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: Larry and Alicia had watched a movie called South Central. 32 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: And in the movie there's a gang called Deuce. 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 4: The gang. 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 5: It's fending to be the strongest force on the streets 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 5: of LA and we're gonna have to kill somebody. 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 4: To send out the message don't fuck with Deuce. 37 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: That's where it all started. 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: Like that. 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, we're gonna start a gang called Deuce. 40 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: Him and his friends, Scooter, Manny. It was a bunch 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: of his friends. So I don't know if you know 42 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 3: about the saying blood and blood out, you know, you 43 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: basically got to get initiated into these gangs. 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: You've got to get bloody to get in and bloodier 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: to get out. 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 6: So your brother Are you kind of idolized? Is beating 47 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 6: people up? 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 49 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 6: To be in his gang? 50 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: Yes? 51 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 6: And that didn't strike you as not a good thing, No. 52 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: Because I was just like I wanted to do everything 53 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: that Larry was doing because Bluffords were just so close. 54 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: It was just it didn't strike me because I seen 55 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: the movie myself, so I was like, it didn't. It 56 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: didn't seem out of the ordinary. 57 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: How does it end? 58 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: It didn't? 59 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: In Will. 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: From Campside Media and iHeart Podcast, this is the Brothers 61 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: Ortiz Episode two, Larry Rising. I'm Sean Flynn. 62 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 7: I pretty much was born with the nine scooter. 63 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: To understand Larry at fifteen and how everything that happened 64 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: then put all the rest into motion. You need to 65 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: hear from Scooter. 66 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 7: It all started with me. Thank you, Looking for its 67 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 7: started with me. 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: We met Scooter at the house we ran in near 69 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: the beach in Brazoria. A Scooter came by between shifts 70 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: at work. He's got a pretty important job in one 71 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: of Brazoria County's chemical plants. Who's carrying a large drink 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: from Circle K And you can hear the ice rattling 73 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: in the background now and again, and Scooter looks like 74 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: how he sounds. He's built like a light heavyweight boxer, 75 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: approximately zero body fat, shaved head glasses. Even indoors, he 76 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: does not look like a Scooter. 77 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 7: It's not a street name or nothing. My sister was 78 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 7: already calling me that for my mother had me. So 79 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 7: that's pretty much what everybody knows me for. 80 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: Scooter New Larry from the neighborhood, just hanging out, even 81 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: though he was four years younger eleven. When Larry was fifteen, 82 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: they were pretty tight. It started with sports. 83 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 7: Most of the kids my age they couldn't keep up 84 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 7: with the kids Larry in the age, but I could, 85 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 7: and he picked me a couple times. I'm gonna take 86 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 7: a little man right here. And then it was just 87 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 7: like I'm about to walk home one day and he's like, 88 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 7: where you stay. I'll tell him I stayed down here, 89 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 7: and we sat a little project down He's like, I'm 90 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 7: right around the corner. And then it was on after that. 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: We satched Where a Scooter lived is a street in 92 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: Lake Jackson. 93 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 7: Just a mixture of low income homes and low income 94 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 7: families all coming together and making it seem like the 95 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 7: best childhood in the world. Neighborhood full of kids, baseball, basketball, whatever, 96 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 7: every day and fighting. 97 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: Larry spent a lot of time in we satch. He 98 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: really was just right around the corner two three minutes 99 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 2: by bike and we sat just where all the kids were. 100 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: His friends and there were girls. Actually for Larry, there 101 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: was one girl. Her name was Kissy. 102 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 7: That's my cousin. I introduced him to kissing. 103 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: Like you said, it all starts with Scooter. 104 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 7: And the summers. When nightfall, we'd all go steal us beers. 105 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 7: It gets one of the atticts in the neighborhood to 106 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 7: go get us a bottle of liquor something at nighttime 107 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 7: and we'd go swim. 108 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: The Brazos River runs right through the county, pinned in 109 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: by levies, but that's not where anyone swam or wanted 110 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: to swim. Instead, the kids went to apartment complexes once 111 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: where they didn't live and weren't supposed to be, but 112 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: that had chlorinated water. 113 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 7: So he was like, tell her to come swim with us, 114 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 7: Come to the pool with us tonight when we go 115 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 7: to the apartments and jump the fence. So we all 116 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 7: jumped the fence and went swimming, and that's where it 117 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 7: all started, right there. 118 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: Kissy and Larry would be together for the next thirty years. 119 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: They would raise three children together, though only one would 120 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: be Larry's biological child, and the relationship would at times 121 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: become complicated. But let's stay in the moment Linger in 122 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: that warm Gulf Coast summer, when Larry is in that 123 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: golden hour, not yet a man but no longer a boy, 124 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: when he's just coming into his own awesome self. 125 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 7: Man, he was just cool. 126 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: This is way that. Actually his real name, Wade, agreed 127 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: to be interviewed and recorded, but we talked about some 128 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: sensitive things, so we're not using his real name. He's 129 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: Kissy's brother. But he knew Larry even before Larry knew Kissy. 130 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: They go way back. 131 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 5: Like his demeanor and his personality, his energy. If it 132 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 5: was hot then he came around. It just felt like 133 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 5: it just got a look cool and like the temperature 134 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 5: dropped a little bit. The way walked, the way he talked. 135 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 5: He was just cool when he was somebody he wanted 136 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 5: to be around. Back then, they were having house parties, 137 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 5: so even though we were younger, you know, we would 138 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 5: at least get to hang outside. You know, the party 139 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 5: was inside, but we'd be outside on our bikes looking 140 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 5: in the window of the garage trying to see what 141 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 5: was going on. But you know, if you needed a 142 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 5: ride home, he would take his mom's call while she 143 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 5: was sleep. He would take his mom's call while she 144 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 5: was sleep. But it was just to get us home, 145 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 5: you know. Man, He got us home. But sometimes he 146 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 5: pick us up to take us to church to play basketball. 147 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 7: I never wanted to go. But then Ladd was like, 148 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 7: all we do is play basketball and eat pizza. And 149 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 7: we have to do like thirty minutes story time, read 150 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 7: a few scriptures, and then play basketball. I mean, eat pizza, 151 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 7: play basketball, sit talk about the Bible for thirty minutes, 152 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 7: go back to playing basketball. So we have to share. 153 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 7: Let's go. 154 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: Fifteen year old Larry. He's a good kid. He's chasing girls, 155 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: playing basketball, going to church, normal kids stuff. He's got friends, 156 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: Charisma and two parents at home looking after him. 157 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 7: That the life he had it was a good home life. 158 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 7: I'd go stay over there sometimes on the weekend or 159 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 7: something like that. He didn't even have to stay. By 160 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 7: the time his mom gets up, it's gonna be some 161 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 7: food cooking over there. So you show up at the 162 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 7: right time and you're gonna get a good meal over there. 163 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: And Larry's dad, he commanded some local respects. 164 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 7: We kind of looked up to him. None of us 165 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 7: had no fathers. I think Larry was the only one 166 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 7: that probably had his dad in the house. He's real 167 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 7: deep in the martial arts. I mean, he had to 168 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 7: come handle a few guys in the neighborhood for us 169 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 7: a couple times back in the day. What you mean, 170 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 7: you know, you had to come out there and demonstrate 171 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 7: a few times, and we had a few problems. There's 172 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 7: a problems with some bikers and stuff like that, a 173 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 7: bunch of crazy stuff. 174 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: But Larry, like a lot of kids, or more to 175 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: the point, like his big brother Gabe, He's got a 176 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: rebellious streak in him. And as he gets older, as 177 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: he's feeling more like a man and less like a boy, 178 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: who's he going to rebel against the old man? His dad, 179 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: the man who in his mind is holding him back, 180 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: keeping him down. And let's not forget the guy who 181 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: sent his big brother away. 182 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: They clashed a lot. 183 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: This is Gloria, Larry's mom. 184 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 8: His dad was just so strict with him. And you know, 185 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 8: now Gabe wasn't around, So who is going to take 186 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 8: the fault for anything that happened around the house if 187 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 8: it wasn't if it wasn't Larry. I think Larry would 188 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 8: do things on purpose just to get back at his dad. 189 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 8: If he told him not to listen to super music, 190 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 8: he'd listen to it. If he would tell him that 191 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 8: he did he had to come in at a certain time, 192 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 8: he wouldn't do it. He just started telling him that 193 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 8: he was not going to let him go out, you know, 194 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 8: or or do anything that he would ask. You know, 195 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 8: if anybody calls, anybody knocks at the door, I want 196 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 8: to tell him you're not here. 197 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: And how did that work out? 198 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 8: Well, Larry, that's when he even more. He got mad 199 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 8: and upset. 200 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: Let's rewind just for a second to dece fuck with Dooth. 201 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: That was Larry's movie Gang. It was an adolescent goof 202 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: kids acting on a movie they were too young to understand, 203 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: too young technically even to watch it. According to the 204 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: Motion Picture Association, it's red Gar. 205 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 7: When that movie came out, we just started playing around it. 206 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 7: It was a stupid game we started playing in school 207 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 7: and it just spilled over. That's all. 208 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 6: So when did it get serious? 209 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 7: Man? It was kind of already serious. We was already 210 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 7: just trying to figure it out, get some money or whatever. 211 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 7: We used to steal as much cigaret as we could 212 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 7: for about two months and then sell them all out, 213 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 7: stuff like that, so we was already really trying to 214 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 7: figure it out. 215 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: It was troublesome, but that trouble was enticing because we 216 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 4: also made that look cool. Here's whey, and at that 217 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: age we weren't completely conscious of the consequences because it 218 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: just looked so fun, and we got away with a lot. 219 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 7: We got away with a lot. 220 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: So that's the origin story. Charismatic, mischievous Larry playing gangster 221 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: with his friends because it was cool. The thing is, 222 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: there were consequences, just so minor is to be well, inconsequential. 223 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: The first time. 224 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 8: Not sure in the dates, but I remember why he 225 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 8: got arrested. Tim and his buddies try to walk out 226 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 8: from a store with a twelve pack of beer. 227 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: We're all paying for it. 228 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: This is hardly a life defining offense. It was probably 229 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: a misdemeanor, and Larry was a juvenile, so the record 230 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: would have been sealed, maybe even expunged if he kept 231 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: out of trouble. Ah, But that didn't happen instead. As 232 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: the years go by and Larry's sixteen and then seventeen, 233 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: He's evolving. School is the first thing to fall by 234 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 2: the wayside. 235 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 8: He started slacking, of course, in intermediate school. You know, 236 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 8: he was skip glasses. 237 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: Which was especially awkward for Gloria because she worked for 238 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: the schools. 239 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 8: So I says, you know, Larry, you can't do this, 240 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 8: as said, I'm part of the school district. Man, I 241 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 8: hate to see you going to the office. 242 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: Hold on you. And he goes, oh, mom, I'm. 243 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 8: Not doing anything wrong. 244 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: They just don't like me, he said. The teachers just 245 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: don't like me. 246 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: Eventually, Larry just stopped going all together. He dropped out 247 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: of high school. But there were other things Gloria and 248 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: her husband were noticing, things that instinctively bothered them. 249 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 8: And then he also started using different slang. He started 250 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 8: dressing differently. 251 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: Blue T shirts, blue bandanas, maybe a blue rag tucked 252 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: into his back pocket. Dad didn't like it. 253 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 8: He goes, you know, what is this about? I see 254 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 8: blue scarves all of a sudden, what does that mean? 255 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 8: And Larry was saying, none, that just nothing. 256 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 7: I do. 257 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 9: Recall coming back and he's wearing a lot of blue. 258 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: This is Gabe. He was home on leave for this 259 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: so early nineties. 260 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 9: But had a red shirt on and he said, why 261 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 9: are you wearing that dead ass red? He said, Bro, 262 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 9: you can't be wearing that red around here. We're claiming 263 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 9: crips around here. I was like, I said, what the 264 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 9: fuck are you talking about. You ain't claiming shit you 265 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 9: you live in Clute, Texas. 266 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: Gab Ortiz finished his basic training in early nineteen ninety three, 267 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: about the time Larry was reenacting Deuce, and then he 268 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: was sent to Montana for two years as an Air 269 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: Force security officer. He watched over missile silos. Then, in 270 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: the spring of nineteen ninety five, when Larry was eighteen, 271 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: Gabe was sent to Turkey to work security for flight 272 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: lines and weapons depots. Not long after he arrives, his father. 273 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 9: Calls Dad is crying hysterically. He's saying that he's going 274 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 9: to end his life and done all. And I hear 275 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 9: him manipulating what sounds like a gun in his hand, 276 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 9: and I asked Dad, like, what's going on? What are 277 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 9: you talking about? When he said that he found out 278 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 9: that mom was having an affair and he had nothing 279 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 9: else to live for and I'm halfway across the world, 280 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 9: and I felt helpless, and I said, Dad, please don't 281 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 9: do this. You still have me, you still have your kids. 282 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 9: Just put the gun down and I'll try to come home. 283 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 9: He said, okay, okay, me, I won't do it. 284 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: He didn't, but Alario Dad was never the same after 285 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: Gloria left. 286 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 9: And that's when the devout Christian dad, the believer, went 287 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 9: back to the old dad and started drinking and partying again. Okay, 288 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 9: so it came full circle. 289 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 7: Essentially. 290 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: I knew they were mad that we got divorced. 291 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: Gloria means her three kids, one of whom Gabe, is 292 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: nearby while we're talking. 293 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: But they really didn't know him the whole story, and 294 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to share everything about their dad. 295 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: Gabe is leaning against the wall, arms folded, and I 296 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: can see him shift his weight and cock an eyebrow 297 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: when his mother says that. 298 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: So I just went ahead and let them blame me 299 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: with the divorce. 300 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: Her husband, their father o Lario, the martial artist, chasing 301 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: away the occasional biker. He had a bad knee. 302 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: He started getting into a lot of pain pills. 303 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: Gloria says this had not been a recent development either 304 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: that he struggled with it for years. 305 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 8: Gabriel had braces and he had to catch some of 306 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 8: his teeth pulled out so they can get the braces up. 307 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 8: And they gave him some sort of pay medicine, a script, 308 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 8: and his dad got the script, and so he started 309 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 8: taking the pain medicine. 310 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 7: I love it. 311 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, he started very early, and I didn't know that. 312 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: Then he started then. 313 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 8: Looking for more pay medicines from whoever and at work, 314 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 8: and I started seeing a change of him, the slur, 315 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 8: the yeah. Eyes didn't know that then after that, and 316 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 8: if he would mix it with beer, because then he 317 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 8: started drinking beer, of course that would hate him one more. 318 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: Remember after Olario found Jesus, when he would quote Deuteronomy 319 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: in numbers to his kids, the verses about generational curses, 320 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: how the sins of the father were visited upon the 321 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: children and the grandchildren and the great grandchildren, and Gabe 322 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: had no idea what his dad was going on about. 323 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: This is a clarifying moment. Addiction runs in families. Lario, 324 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: as Gabe has just this very moment, learned was hiding 325 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: a pill problem. And he'd always been a pretty good drinker, 326 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: even when he said he wasn't even when he was 327 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: grounding his boys for drinking beer on the beach. Maybe 328 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: that's what he meant. Maybe that was the devil crawling 329 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: to the generations. 330 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 3: There's some things that I didn't know that were going 331 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 3: on with my dad, you know, because he was kind 332 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: of hiding them or trying to hide them. 333 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: Here's Alicia. 334 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: Yes, we were going to church, but I would find 335 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: hidden beer bottles here and there. You know, he was 336 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: trying to hide it from us. So I knew the 337 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 3: dad was doing extra stuff outside of Mom and his relationship, 338 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: because you know, he wouldn't be at certain places where 339 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: he was supposed to be. 340 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 8: That was not the only thing, but yes, that was 341 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 8: one thing that really separated us. We'd started disagreeing a lot, 342 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 8: and I sometimes I thought he was being too hard 343 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 8: with Larry. I said, hey, you know, maybe if you 344 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 8: let him. 345 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: Just use the car for you know, let's see how 346 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: he'll do. And but. 347 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 8: Larry was always messing up. So it just I couldn't 348 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 8: take up for him no more. I just couldn't. I 349 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 8: would say my mom got tired of. 350 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: The shenanigans, the extra stuff that was going on, you know, 351 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 3: him going to work and not coming home when he 352 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: was supposed to, and so she filed. 353 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: That was hard. 354 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: That was hard for me because it was just like, okay, 355 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 3: what now. 356 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: Larry would have thought the same thing. 357 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 7: So when that split kind of came, he was just 358 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 7: kind of in the world a little bit. That's kind 359 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 7: of when everything changed. 360 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: That's when the. 361 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 3: Drug, the drug cells come in, you know, the weed 362 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 3: that first started off. And then as time passes on, 363 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: he and Scooter get into the harsher, you know, drug 364 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: sells for Scooter. 365 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: The way he tells it, dealing felt inevitable, almost like 366 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: a rite of passage. 367 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 7: It's just the same thing growing up in it, seeing 368 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 7: family members doing it. One more, wanted to help out, 369 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 7: trying to be a man before it's time to be 370 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 7: a man, stuff like that. 371 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: You know, it was for Larry. 372 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 7: You hang around the ball shop, You're gonna get a haircut. 373 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 7: Once he started coming around me and meet meeting other 374 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 7: people in the family, I guess you can kind of 375 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 7: say the whole street world opened up to him through me. 376 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 7: It all opened up to him that I was pretty 377 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 7: much his pipeline to open that life up. And all 378 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 7: the stuff that was going on at that time, man, 379 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 7: you can't can't resist that stuff. And then by that 380 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 7: time I had already introduced him with my cousin. 381 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: He means Larry's future wife, Kissy, So. 382 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 7: It was no time. Back then he was already in 383 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 7: the family. 384 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: Scooter's grandmother had a house and clute on a street 385 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: called Lazy Lane. 386 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 7: My grandma's houses. That's the roots, that's the roots of 387 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 7: where everything starts at. Right there. 388 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: There was a time when if you wanted to buy 389 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: drugs in that part of Brisoria County, that's where you 390 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: went Lazy Lane, And that's where Larry was hanging out. 391 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: And that's spam. That's where it all started. 392 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: And he'd be out there through wee hours of the 393 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 3: night making money. And there's times where I would just 394 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: ride through there just to kind of just hang out 395 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: with them or just see what they were up to, 396 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: you know. Or sometimes Kissy she would go and pick 397 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 3: me up and I'd hang out with her. 398 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, he didn't end up over there sell no drugs. 399 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 7: He was just following my cousin, following Kissy, and all 400 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 7: that other stuff just came about. Yeah, he didn't he 401 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 7: didn't plan to go over there and do none. 402 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 4: Of that. 403 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 7: He just over there visiting my cousin, hanging out with 404 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 7: the family. I thinks that this. 405 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: All sounds very bad, a train wreck waiting to happen. 406 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: But let's look at it from Larry's perspective. He's eighteen 407 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: years old. He's industrious. That's one thing everyone says about 408 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: Larry that he was always a hard worker, put in 409 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: honest labor for honest pay, even if the job was illegal. 410 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: His family is falling apart, his big brothers in another country, 411 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: eight time zones away. Someone's got to step up. 412 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 3: When they got divorced. My dad took it hard, you know, 413 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: and he just was out and about, you know, going 414 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 3: out all the time. My mom and I had gotten 415 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: an apartment at a place called Oldios Include. Larry was 416 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: always going in there and checking on me, making sure 417 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 3: I was good. Hey, you need anything, alic you got 418 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: what you you know? You need anything to eat? You 419 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: need any money? 420 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 7: You know. 421 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: He's always trying to make sure that I was okay, 422 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: I was good. 423 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Larry was just here and there, out and about. 424 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't I don't know where he He would 425 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: just lay his head where Kissy was at. 426 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: Larry is legally an adult by now, but come on, 427 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 2: he's still a kid, a teenager, and he's living large. 428 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: He's got a girl, he's got cash, and he's got 429 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 2: no one telling him what to do. Who didn't want 430 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: that at eighteen? 431 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 7: Think you got forever. I'll switch up later on. I'll 432 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 7: get it together right now? You know? Do you think 433 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 7: you got enough time to? You know? But it's don't 434 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 7: you really don't. 435 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: Gloria has a theory about what happened with Larry. 436 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 8: He wanted some attention, he wanted I guess he wanted 437 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 8: a big brother. And the big brothers that came in 438 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 8: and knew that he was struggling and going through something, 439 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 8: you know, that was their chance to start him in 440 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 8: the game. 441 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: The game, selling drugs, running the streets. The thing is, 442 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: Larry was good at the game, kind of a natural. 443 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: In the same way Gabe took to the military, how 444 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: he learned to be an airman who could protect crucial 445 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: parts of the American war fighting machine, Larry took to 446 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: the streets. He was learning business organizational hierarchies, how to 447 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: invest in inventory, secure market share, turn of profit. He 448 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: happened to be doing so in an industry that's illegal, 449 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: but that doesn't change the underlying economics. 450 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 9: I sense that he is probably running around with some 451 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 9: guys who are criminals. There's some criminal element that I 452 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 9: could sense that he was involved in. You know, he 453 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 9: smelled them like Merril Wall On occasion, you know, people 454 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 9: would come by the house and it was like a 455 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 9: brief exchange and then leave. 456 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: This was the summer of nineteen ninety five, around the 457 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 2: same time Larry said he was claiming crips. He had 458 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: an adult criminal record by then a minor one, but 459 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: still at the end of December nineteen ninety four, he 460 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: was arrested for possession of marijuana. Gab didn't know about that, 461 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: but on a visit home, he got to see what 462 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: Larry was up to. 463 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 9: He asked me to give him a ride somewhere. He's like, hey, bro, 464 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 9: run me by my friend's house real quick. I had 465 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 9: this Ford Ranger and so I drive him to this 466 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 9: guy's house. Guy comes out. My brother pulls out a 467 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 9: pill bottle and opens it up and dumps this. 468 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 7: Little pebble. It's crackrop. 469 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 9: Guy gives him some money. So he basically just did 470 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 9: a drug deal from my vehicle with me in it. 471 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 9: I flipped the lid. I mean I I I got 472 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 9: in his ass and I chewed his ass right then 473 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 9: and there. I mean I was I was still livid. 474 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 9: I just I couldn't believe what had just occurred in 475 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 9: front of me. I told him. I was like, don't 476 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 9: you ever fucking do that in front of me again? 477 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 9: Like what, by the way, what what? 478 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 7: What do you? 479 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 9: What's I didn't even have the words, like what is 480 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 9: going on right now? 481 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 7: What do you? 482 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 9: What are you doing? Like I, I've only been gone 483 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 9: a few years, Like what do you He's like, Bro, 484 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 9: He's like, we just we're just out here hustling. Like 485 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 9: we're just out here hustling making a little you know, 486 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 9: making a little money. And it was at that point 487 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 9: that I realized that things had changed. 488 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 7: Over the last few years. 489 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 9: I mean it was reality set in, Like shit, things 490 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 9: are different now. 491 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: Gabe didn't know, not just then, how different things were, 492 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 2: Because it turns out a confident, street wise kid, even 493 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: include Texas, can claim any damn thing he wants. 494 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, he's gonna wear his blue, that's for sure. Most 495 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 7: of the people that have been to prison in my neighborhood, 496 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 7: they kind of they fashion with. 497 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 2: That Larry hadn't been to prison, but yeah, he was 498 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: claiming crips and he was moving up in his small 499 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: town underworld. 500 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 8: After a while, as you started going by, you started 501 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 8: being the head head of the of the gang. 502 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 9: I heard from a lot of people that are like, hey, 503 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 9: your brother's a badass, Like, nobody wants to fuck with 504 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 9: that guy. Yeah. I go to the military and he's fifteen, Like, 505 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 9: you know, he's playing basketball, chasing girls, going to the 506 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 9: local mall, walking around, you know, nothing crazy. 507 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 7: Too. 508 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 9: All of a sudden, he's established a reputation for himself 509 00:26:52,560 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 9: as a dope dealer, gang member and somebody who's relatively. 510 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: Fear success as a matter of perspective in Larry's world. 511 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 2: From his perspective, he's made it, or at least he's. 512 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: On his way. 513 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: And all of this while his big brother's trying to 514 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: figure out what he wants to do other than not 515 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: stay in the Air Force, and he won't have a 516 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: lot of options. That's next time. I'm the brothers Ortiz. 517 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: The brothers Ortiz is a production from Campsite Media in 518 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 2: partnership with iHeart Podcasts. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple 519 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The Brothers Orties 520 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: was written, reported, and hosted by me Sean Flynn. Lane 521 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: Rose is our senior producer. Story editing by Audrey Quinn, 522 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 2: sound design, mix and engineering by Garrett Tiedeman, Original music 523 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: by Garrett Tiedeman, fact checking by Savannah Wright. iHeart Podcasts 524 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: executive producers are Lindsay Hoffman and Jennifer Bassett. 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