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Join Justice Nation, go 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: to crime Stops here dot com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: I saw several police officer um talking and then they 25 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: got out and they started running, and uh, probably an accident. 26 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: And I saw more on kind of cover cops coming, 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: so I probably guess it was probably a shooting. And 28 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: it went down here, and so more cops come, and 29 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: I kind of got scares. I came inside and told 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: people that what was happening, and everybody came out here 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: and and started seeing what happened. They found out the 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: reaction that there was a shooter. So I ran down 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: here and told all the next door final shops to 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: a luck up and there's an active shooter. I'm I'm 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: scared because so close to the business is what down 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: in this section of the um the city. There's a 37 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: couple of robberies that happened before, so I mean it's 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: not nothing new, but still, I mean it's it's scarier. 39 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: A forty year old white gunman opens fire in an 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: upscale Tallahassee yoga class, killing twenty one year old young 41 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: lady and gunning down a female doctor, wounding many others. 42 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: But it was no part of a robbery string not 43 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: at all. Why I mean, I see Grace, this is 44 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The scene 45 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: was something I really can't describe when the women, mostly 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: women inside that yoga studio realized that they were being 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: fired upon. It was a so called hot yoga studio 48 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: when a guy comes in and totally mortifies everyone, claiming 49 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: the life of this twenty one year old girl. Still now, 50 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: we don't understand why the investigation happening right now. Straight 51 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: out to Robin Willlyinsky, crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 52 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: author of Beautiful Life, The c s I behind the 53 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony Trial, Robin started at the beginning what happened, well, 54 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: for some reason that we still don't know what this 55 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: man's connection was to the yoga facility. It's what's unusual 56 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: to me is is that he had to know what 57 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: was there. It's on the second floor of a strip 58 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: mall in an area right by the f s U 59 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: Florida State University campus. So if you're just you know, 60 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: willy nilly walking by places to shoot up, you'd have 61 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: to know a that it was there on the second floor. 62 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: You know, you look up, you see those second floor 63 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: strip malls. A lot of those kind of places always 64 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: complained that they don't get a lot of foot traffic, 65 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: so you would have he would have had it known 66 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: that there would be people there at that time. And 67 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: he goes in and he just opened fire, starts shooting 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: at people. Killed two wounds five. Nancy, you know, I'm 69 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: very familiar with what you're saying. I remember the children, 70 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: my twins would play at a gym maree and it 71 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: was at the top of a strip center on the 72 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: second floor, and you'd have to know to go up 73 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: the stairs and down the corner and around the side 74 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: to actually find it. So this guy had to know. 75 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: How together their joining you right now is a very 76 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: special guest out of Tallahassee who attends the yoga studio, 77 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: Meredith Manion. Meredith, Um, you know you and I have 78 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: been friends a long time. I had no idea that 79 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: you went to this yoga studio. And I note that 80 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: you are in complete shock when you first heard about 81 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: the shooting. Did you realize it was your yoga studio? No. 82 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: I drove home from work around six pm Friday night, 83 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: and I drive It's right down the street from where 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: I work, so I drive right past it and the 85 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: amount of police officers around the scene. I just knew 86 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: something happened, and my heart sank and I just felt 87 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: like this really terrible feeling. And I didn't learn until 88 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: I got home that it happened at that yoga studio. 89 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: Tell me about the layout with me right now. Special 90 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: guest Meredith Manion. In addition to juvenile judge and lawyer, 91 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: the founder of child crime watch dot com Ashley Wilcott, JOSEPHS. 92 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: Got Morgan, forensics expert Professor forensis Jacksonville State University, and 93 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Roby Malinsky, 94 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: investigative reporter add back to you, Meredith Manion, Uh, your 95 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: yoga studio that you've been too many many times. I 96 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: know that feeling when you start driving down your street 97 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: or your approach your building where you live and you 98 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: see a bunch of police cars. It's just a feeling. 99 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: Is that my house? Is that my apartment? What has happened? 100 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: Tell me about the layout, Meredith Manion. Um. I remember 101 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: when I first started practicing law, I would get out 102 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: of court. What I thought at the beginning was too 103 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: late to go running. I later reversed that decision, and 104 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: I started going to an aerobics class, and there would 105 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: be it had glass windows from like the waist up, 106 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: and guys would walk by from bars and restaurant said 107 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: just stand there while everyone was doing aerobics. And finally 108 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: the instructure would just let the blinds down, you know, 109 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of the class. So I'm wondering, could 110 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: someone walk by and stare into the yoga studio? I 111 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: mean not really. It's it's a very old building in Tallahassee. 112 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: It's been there forever, um home of many local businesses 113 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: that have been there forever. And it's on the second 114 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: floor on the side of the building. So from the 115 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: main road, Thomasville Road, you can't even see the studio. Um. 116 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: You would have to pull in their parking lot. And 117 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: then it's on the second level, so you might be 118 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: able to see some from the parking lot, but you 119 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: have to go up the stairs to the side stairs. Meredith. 120 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: If you walk up the stairs and walk beside it, 121 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: can you look at it? Yes, there are there are windows. Um. 122 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: There's three I think separate studios that are all next 123 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: to each other. UM. One of them the hot yoga studios. Actually, 124 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: you walk in there's a front desk and then you 125 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: go into a room behind that, so you actually can't 126 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: see inside that particular studio, the one if you door 127 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: down the aerial yoga, which was not where it was um, 128 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: that one you can actually see from the balcony. Take 129 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: a little No, he wouldn't have been able to. Yeah, 130 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: he had to know it was there. I guarantee you 131 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: he had been there many many times, staring in those 132 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: windows as the women worked out at hard Yoga. We 133 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: are learning that he was quite the woman hater, the misogynist. 134 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Megan Wilson was eating just downstairs 135 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: at a restaurant when the shooting went down. So we 136 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: were downstairs at Ricardo's eating and all of a sudden 137 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: we heard like a pop pop, pop, pop pop, and 138 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: it just kind of sounded like it didn't sound like gunshots, 139 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: but it sounded like intense something was happening up there. 140 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: And then yelling, and then all of a sudden, probably 141 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: within thirty seconds, we saw two girls, um bloody in 142 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: their yoga outfits that ran by and they actually ran 143 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: into bart Betton and then a guy ran in there 144 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: and he had blood all over the side of his 145 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: head in the shirt, and then the owner of bar 146 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: Beton locked the door, told everybody to get down. We 147 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: were at Ricardo's and everybody's out, like just not knowing 148 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: what was going on. But I said, it's two fatalities 149 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: or the gun. I mean it shot like six or 150 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: seven times, and at least they had. Mean there's probably 151 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: eight or maybe like five different ambulances that are picking 152 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: people up on stretchers. So it's just scary, like having 153 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: that close to home, you know, because that person could 154 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: have come in any of any of place. He leave 155 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: the door unlocked, you know, it's terrible. I don't know 156 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: if it was like a domestic thing or what, you know, 157 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: because why would he have skipped all of the other 158 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: businesses that were down there with open doors with people 159 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: and specifically go up to bar go up to the 160 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: yoga studio, you know. And then the girl that ran 161 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: in said that he was pacing in and out of 162 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: the yoga studio and then when it was time for 163 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: them to all go in there, and just the one 164 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: girl want to shut the door, that's when he busted in. 165 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: When he started shooting in. I think people just try 166 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: to get out as fast as they could you know. 167 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: It's terrible. Sorry, yeah, it's hard when you have a 168 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: two year old in your hands too, just to try 169 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: to keep palm and figure out what we need to do. 170 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: But they did lock the doors. All the businesses down 171 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: in the first floor locked their doors immediately. Um. But 172 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: it was weird the sound it. It didn't sound like 173 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: a shooting. I guess you just don't know what that 174 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: sounds like. It definitely sounds like something happened about us. 175 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: We just didn't know what it was. So terrible, terrible, 176 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: hate it for those young girls. You're hearing Megan Wilson 177 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: speaking to our friends at the Tallahassee Democrat describing what 178 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: went down when a guy barges into a hot yoga 179 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: studio and upscaled Tallahassee opening fire, wounding many killing, a 180 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: twenty one year old woman coming gutting down a female 181 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: doctor all in there in the middle of a hot 182 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: yoga class. But why so far, no domestic connection has 183 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: been made that the witness was suggesting, such as, you know, 184 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: a divorce and it's trying boyfriend and girlfriend, nothing like that. 185 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you something, I think everybody's being 186 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: way too pc, way to politically correct, Ashley Wilcott. I 187 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: mean you and I have to get down and dirty 188 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: in court, dealing with crime all day long. And I 189 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: have told the twins and I I preach it in 190 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: in safety classes. When you have a bad feeling, get away. 191 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: If some freaky dude is walking in and out and 192 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: pacing into in and out of a yoga studio full 193 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: of women who are really not paying attention, they're doing 194 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: their class, why should they be call the police. And 195 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: I am in no way blaming the victims, no way 196 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: blaming the yoga studio. They may not have even noticed 197 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: the guy. But so often as she were like, well, 198 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, let's not judge, judge and live for Pete's sake, Ashley, Yeah, 199 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: trust your gut. I tell everybody that us your gut. 200 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: If somebody feels creepy, it doesn't mean you're judging them 201 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: as much as it means you're protecting yourself just in 202 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: case they do something like he did in this case. 203 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: The second thing I've got to say in this case, Nancy, 204 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna find out that he knew 205 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: anybody in the studio, but I do think he specifically 206 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: targeted it. Why because it was all women customers. Presumably 207 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: there may have been one or two men, but probably 208 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: primarily women customers doing hot yoga, and based on descriptions 209 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: of this man, I think that was his target. We 210 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: are learning a little bit about the shooter that he 211 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: definitely hates women, is a misogynist. Listen to our friend 212 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: at w s B t V, Michael Sidon, I can't 213 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: process it's it's just the worst. As investigators work to 214 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: figure out what motivated a gunman to open fire at 215 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: a yoga studio in your Florida State university, this grieving 216 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: father of twenty one year old Mara Beingley says he 217 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: is trying to understand why his daughter's killer would carry 218 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: out this violent attack in such a peaceful place. Mar 219 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: truly lived the life of really devoted to peace, love, 220 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: caring for others. On Saturday evening, we spoke by phone 221 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: with Jeff Binkley. He told us that he and his wife, Margaret, 222 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: are now in Tallahassee, where they've been surrounded by family 223 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: and friends who are remembering their daughter as a young 224 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: woman who dedicated her life to peace, love and happiness. 225 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing to me. Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. 226 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: We hear these stories, we read about them. We try 227 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: to protect ourselves as much as we can, but the 228 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: ripple effects go on and on and on. I just 229 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: learned yesterday morning that the victim daughter, that the victims 230 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: mom it goes to our local church in Atlanta and 231 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: is completely devastated. Of course she is. Dr Bober, explain 232 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: to me if there's no connection, like he wasn't dating 233 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: any of these women. He certainly wasn't dating her or 234 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: the people that he shot it, had never been to 235 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: the yoga class, didn't have a grudge. You can't see nothing. 236 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: What would motivate a known misogynist, a woman hater, to 237 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: go in and open fire on unarmed women. I'll think 238 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: about it, Nancy, When did you ever think you would 239 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: hear the phrase of yoga studio shooting? Right? What is yoga? 240 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: It's a place of peacefulness and mindfulness where you can 241 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: let it all go and feel totally safe. In some 242 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: strange way, it's almost an act of domestic terrorism. It 243 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: just shows whether you're in a mall, whether you're in 244 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: a playground, or whether you're even in a yoga studio 245 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: that you couldnot feel safe, and so I think that 246 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: he targeted just like when Ashley said, I think he 247 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: was going to go to the place where he could 248 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: create the most chaos and create the most terror and 249 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: get back at all the women that he's hated his 250 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: whole life. Well, you know, he's had a long history. 251 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about him yet. It's all 252 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: unfolding right now. But we know in two thousand and twelve, 253 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: he was charged with misdemeanor battery for grabbing a woman 254 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: two women's rear end at f s U Florida State University. 255 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: Now that's according to Leon County court records we've managed 256 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: to obtain. We also know that not too long ago, 257 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: he's rested again on a battery charge for slapping and 258 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: grabbing another woman's rear end by a swimming pool at 259 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: an apartment complex where he had just lived. To Robin Willinski, 260 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, what more do we 261 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: know about this guy? Well, he was incredibly in Volusia County. 262 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: He was a substitute teacher Nancy, working with students and 263 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: the kids. He was working in a middle school. Deltona 264 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: Middle School was one of the places where they would 265 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: call him to fill in, and the kids, uh all 266 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: say that he gave off a like a type of 267 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: half vibe. He was aloof he was blank, he was quiet, 268 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: he was disengaged, he was empty. He was a real weirdo. 269 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: That's what creepy. Some of the girls said that he 270 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: was creepy. He seemed out of it. So this is 271 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: someone when you start to look at the whole landscape 272 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: of this person, of this man, he was clearly frustrated 273 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: that he couldn't get a date. He's grabbing women's butts, 274 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: he's getting arrested for it, and then he's teaching in 275 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: a school. I mean, how is this happening? How is 276 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: he allowed to teach your kids in their middle school 277 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: when he's got all of this going on in the background. 278 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: Plus one last nugget, he apparently also was an amateur musician, 279 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: and he was doing songs that he wrote and then 280 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: attempting to sell them. And the titles of the songs 281 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Homicidal, Impulse, American whore, an American massacre. And when 282 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: you start to get into the lyrics of these songs, 283 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: boy did he hate women? I don't get it. Dr Bober. 284 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always own and just instinctive way. I've 285 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: heard other people say it that when you're interested in 286 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: a guy, look at how he treats his mother or 287 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: his sisters, how does he speak of them? And that's 288 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: a real indicator whether you want to get tangled up 289 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: with that particular guy. Now that's just me as a 290 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: lay person. As a j D. You're the m D. 291 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: DoD drove over what is it? Where does misogyny start? 292 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: Is it when you're born and your mom isn't is 293 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: a looper? Doesn't love you enough for your like you? 294 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, how does it happen? Well, that is part 295 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: of it, Dancy. You know, your relationship with your mother 296 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: is the first template that when you come into the 297 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: world how you relate to women. So if that's if 298 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: that attachment or that bond is disturbed, it does affect 299 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: your relationships with women. But this is clearly someone who 300 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: is weak, who is ineffectual, who is impinite with women, 301 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: and because of that he resented them and hated to 302 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: them to the point where it boiled over into violence 303 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: to you. Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, Professor forens Ex 304 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, uh death investigator and author of blood 305 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: beneath my feet. You can get that on Amazon. J 306 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: Scott explained to me what cops would be looking for 307 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: back at his home. Yeah, they're gonna look for, well, 308 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: obviously what kind of attachments he had with with weapons. 309 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: Did he have a cachet of weapons there? The ammunition 310 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: that was utilized at the yoga studio, would there be 311 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: more of it at the you know, at the at 312 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: his home. In addition to that, they're gonna look for materials, uh, 313 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: such as reading materials, uh, anything digitally that he has 314 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: on computers there that it's gonna give you some kind 315 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: of digital track uh leading you back to these points 316 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: of interest along the way you had mentioned, Uh, you know, 317 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the misogyny. These are these songs that he had written. 318 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: Was he being influenced by anybody in particular that kind 319 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: of was a trigger mechanism to set him off to 320 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: just murder these people in this this tight enclosed air you. 321 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend, 322 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: the Tallahassee Police Chief Michael Delio. We have seven total 323 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: victims related to this incident to have been admitted to 324 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: the hospital. They are both in stable condition. Three of 325 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: the victims have been treated and released. Unfortunately, two victims 326 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: have passed away from their injuries. Their names are Nancy 327 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: Van Bessem and Mara Binkley, and they've passed away their 328 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: rooms that were inflicted upon them this evening. In addition, 329 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: we have identified the perpetrator of this event. His name 330 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: is Scott Paul Barley from Deltona, Florida. Through the investigative 331 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: work that's been done with a lot of partners at 332 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: the state, local, and federal level, we've been able to 333 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: identify this or early and our continuity to follow up 334 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: the investigative leads uh for him and what made him 335 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: come to our community and commit this and his act here. 336 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: Do you know another parent or expecting parent. Are you 337 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: wondering what can I give them as a gift? Don't 338 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: give them another one's a don't give them a plastic 339 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: toy or god forbid a toy gun that's just gonna 340 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: end up in the garage. 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Join Justice Nation, Go to crime stops 358 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: here dot com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Calass. Police 359 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: are investigating a shooting at what appears to be a 360 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: hot yoga studio and then on the top floor of 361 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: the part at Benton complex. There's about forty to forty 362 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: police out here and as you and see this is 363 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: uh it contains seen at this point hearing the whole 364 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: people have been taken away with injuries, although the extent 365 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: of those injuries are unknown. You're hearing at the time 366 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: of the shooting, when they didn't even realize people had died. 367 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: That's Karl Etters with a Tallahassee Democrat speaking about the 368 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Hot yoga studio shooting, claiming the lives of too many 369 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: others wounded. But why Joining me right now is Meredith 370 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: Munion who attends the yoga studio. What's it like on 371 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 1: the inside, Meredith, and again, thank you for being with us. 372 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: What's it like inside the studio? Um, inside the Myrka studio, 373 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: It's it's beautiful, it's peaceful. It's um my favorite m 374 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: Yrka studio in town. UM, it's hardwood floors everywhere and um, 375 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: very simply laid out and really good energy. And the studio, 376 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: Meredith Munion, let me ask you this. You said it's beautiful. 377 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: Tell me about the layout. When you walk in the 378 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: front door, what do you see? And what were his 379 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: options were? Because where could he go? Well? UM, the 380 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: first studio you can walk into was like a lobby 381 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: type area. There's a front desk receptionist that you check 382 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: in with. UM, you sign up for classes on your 383 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: phone on an app, and then you check in and 384 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: they have some items there for sale, and then there's 385 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: a side with some blockers to put your stuff in, 386 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: and then there's a room back there where they heat 387 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: it up and you can practice yoga. It's a pretty 388 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: um good size space, so it can hold quite a 389 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: few UM students. So when he first went in, what 390 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: could he see? Could he see an open area near 391 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: the windows where their doors he can go through to 392 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: lead to other studios. When I'm getting at where the 393 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: women trapped in one room, was there any way out 394 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: for them? Oh? No, there's there's one door in. So 395 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: even the studio right next to it that they hold 396 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: classes in, you have the one door, you know, that 397 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: goes into the studio area where they practice UM, and 398 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: that could be seen right from the balcony and the window. UM. 399 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: I read that one of the only man that was 400 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: taking the class actually got up and started hitting him, 401 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: and some of the women were able to get around 402 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: him and escape. But there's just that one door for 403 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: them to get out of. Wow. I did not realize 404 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: that there was an actual hero in there. So merrideth 405 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: money and tell me about the clientele? Are the all 406 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: FSU students mostly or who goes there? It's such a 407 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: variety of people. I mean, myself and a few of 408 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: my friends, UM, some other people I know that are 409 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, professional young professionals, UM, all the way up 410 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: to UM senior citizens, and then all the way down 411 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: to college students. I mean, there is no discrimination. There's 412 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: all types of people that go there. Is it largely women? 413 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: I assume it's largely women's. It's largely women. It is 414 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: largely women. But I guess that one man once in 415 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: this Meredith Minion, how close is it to the f 416 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: s U campus? Um? Not very Um. It's in the 417 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: midtown area of Tallahassee. So I would say to get 418 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: to campus it would probably be fifty minutes. Let me 419 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: ask you this, Meredith. So it's in the midtown area. 420 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: Is that where you're uh your salon, where you were? 421 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: Is that the midtown area you're talking about? Yeah, gotcha. 422 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting the way he did this to 423 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, judge lawyer, founder child crime watch dot com. 424 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: He was darting in and out and pacing around at 425 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 1: the front desk apparently. I mean, right then, if they 426 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: had a bad feeling about him, I think that police 427 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: should have been called. What we're learning is he basically 428 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: had them all herded into one studio where they couldn't 429 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: get out. Catch this. Ashley. He had prior military service. 430 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 1: We believe he lived in Deltona, Florida, but he'd been 431 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: staying at a hotel in Tallahassee catch this. He graduated 432 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: from Florida State. He was arrested there twice, as we know, 433 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: both for harassing women. And he had his history of 434 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: misogynistic and racist views. There's a series of videos he posted, 435 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: and he would rant against women and minorities. He hated police, 436 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: he hated the army, all these people he believed had 437 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: done him wrong. There's American Massacre is one of his lyrics. 438 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: Another is my Frau line, and he talks about a 439 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: failed relationship. And in them Barely is sitting there going 440 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: droning on and on in a very dim bedroom and 441 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: unmade bed, a pile of cardboard boxes in the background, 442 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: and he's whining that he can't connect with women. Okay, 443 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: what does that tell you? Listen, Nancy, it tells me 444 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: a couple of things. First of all, but Galic's got issues. 445 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: But second of all, you know the juvenile court judge. 446 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: I say this a lot. The Delinque with kids that 447 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: I see have had things happened to them as a 448 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: younger child. So what happened to this guy? Somebody had 449 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: to have recognized he had some idiosyncrasies that were not 450 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: good and could have been dangerous. Why was he never 451 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: Why was there no treatment? What happened to him? How 452 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: does people treat him that he turns to violence? Listen 453 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: to this Dr Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists. In some of 454 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: his I hate to even call them lyrics, but I 455 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: guess I will. The videos he posted on YouTube sitting 456 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: there in his darkened bedroom, on his unmade bed. I mean, 457 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: you know what, if you're going to date somebody, please 458 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: find out if they've posted anything and see what it is. 459 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: He calls women sluts, horrors, he talks about ripping their 460 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: heads off. I mean, Dr Bober, and this guy's a 461 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: substitute teacher. Didn't anybody ever go check him out online 462 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: before they let him teach classes? For Pete's sake, you 463 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: would think they would have Nancy. But you know, I'm 464 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: also a child psychiatrists in addition to being a forensic psychiatrist, 465 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: and I can just tell you that this is someone 466 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: who clearly had, as Ashley said, some sort of adverse 467 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: childhood experiences, whether it was bullying or a mother who 468 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: would end in him, or an alcoholic potter. Because clearly 469 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: when the tracks were laid down, they were laid down wrong. 470 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: And he just had a lot of issues with the world, 471 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: and clearly was rejected by women, and uh just was 472 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: full of hate. Well. In his postings, he also states 473 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: that he admired Elliott Roger. I don't know if you 474 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: remember him, the so called Virgin Killer, because he had 475 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: been celibrate his whole life. It would post all of 476 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: these videos about why isn't she with me? I've got 477 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: this BMW and I've got all this money, Why won't 478 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: she date me? Why is she with these all these loserers? 479 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: He would post video after video after video about that 480 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: and ended up gunning down people. This guy um has 481 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: exhibited admiration for the so called virgin killer, also for 482 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: George Sedini, a gunman who murdered three women at a 483 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: gym outside of Pittsburgh. Now, if those are the people 484 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: he admires, what is that to all? You? Dr bober 485 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: And how come where he was teaching didn't know he 486 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: had been banned from the FSU campus. It's not unusual 487 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: from mass shooters to worship people. We've seen this in 488 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: a lot of the school shooters more recently. Uh. They 489 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: commiserate with them, They find them to be heroes, to 490 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: be profits of some sort, and they want to emulate 491 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: them because those are the only people they feel close 492 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: to and connected to, because they can't connect with people 493 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: who are pro social because they don't feel like they 494 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: understand them or get them. What does it mean to you, 495 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morrigan. I know his misogynst that does not 496 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: make him insane. He basically had the women herded into 497 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: one room from which they could not escape. When you 498 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: think about a yoga studio, Nancy, Uh, this this environment 499 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: is wide open. Once you get you got what's referred 500 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: to as one point of egress, as as your friend 501 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: had mentioned just a moment ago, one point. And this 502 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: is the really scary thing and terrifying thing about this 503 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: this area. It's like a big fish bowl. Uh. And 504 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: there's no points of cover. That means there's no walls 505 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: to get behind, there's no furniture to get behind, there 506 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing. So it is uh like like a 507 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: big fish bowl where people you know, where these terrified 508 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: patrons are in their screaming. You can imagine their smoke. 509 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: There's loud bangs going on, and they don't know where 510 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: to go, and there's people that are injured. So it's 511 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: a terrifying chaotic messa. Listen to tallahansee police Chief Michael Delia. 512 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: Emergency responders were here within minutes, about three or three 513 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: and a half minutes the first officers arrived on the scene. 514 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: When they arrived, the gunmen was deceased on scene, and 515 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: we had at that time we had now haven't identified 516 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: six other victims that received gunshot wounds, and then we 517 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: also have a victim who was actually pistol lipped. There 518 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: are indications that several people inside fought back and tried 519 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: to not only save themselves with other people, which is 520 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: a testament to our courage, the people who don't just 521 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: turn and run, the strength of our community, and this 522 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: spirit of those people trying to help and stay even 523 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: protect others. The fift Dumboody High School graduate wasn't just 524 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: a great friend. She was also a superstar in the classroom. 525 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: Her father told us that she earned an academic scholarship 526 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: to f s U and was in the running for 527 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: a full Bright scholarship. She planned to graduate in May 528 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: with a double major in journalism in German, but her 529 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: real passion, her father told us, giving back to her community. 530 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: Her last conversation, she's so excited about. Uh. The teach 531 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: for America. Jeff says his daughter may be gone, but 532 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: now he's hoping her tragedy will lead to change, and 533 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: that be a vehicle for for change to stem the 534 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: tide of violence that threatens to literally overwhelm our society. 535 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: Here hearing our friend at w s B t V UH, 536 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Michael Sidon speaking to Mar's dad, Jeff Bankley overwhelming, Uh 537 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: morning and really fear now instilled in the Tallahassee community 538 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: after this yoga studio was attacked by a lone gunman, 539 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: Scott Paul be eerily. And what we're learning is he 540 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: identified with quote involuntary celibates, in voluntary celibates who want 541 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: a sex relationship with women but can't have one. And 542 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: he goes online and he tells personal stories of rejection. Okay, 543 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: that's a big no no. You don't want a guy 544 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: going online talking about everybody that's rejected him. He names 545 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: multiple women by name and says how they had wronged him. Quote. 546 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: Made one date, didn't show up, made another date, didn't 547 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: show up, kept making excuses. I could have ripped her 548 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: head off, he writes. He expresses um admiration and he 549 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: identifies with and empathizes with the so called virgin shooter 550 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: Elliott Roger spoiled Rich Bratt who killed six people in 551 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: Illa Vista, California. It was three months before Beerily, this 552 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: hot yoga studio shooter recorded his video, and Roger, the 553 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: Virginess Shooter, had say that he was disgusted with women 554 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: and he urged in cells, as he calls them, involuntary 555 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: celibates to fight back against women that reject them. He 556 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: goes on and be early wise and rants about uh 557 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: interracial dating. He talks just horribly about African Americans as 558 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: well as women. We know that he had trouble in 559 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: the army after something went down in Amsterdam, and in Amsterdam, 560 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: according to reports, for women complained about him, and his 561 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: quote on his online was quote I got to rollity 562 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: for their sensibilities. I can only imagine. He moved from 563 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: New York to Tallahassee back in two thousand and eleven, 564 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: and we know he's had one problem after the next 565 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: attacking one woman grabbing her from behind in the FSU 566 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: dining hall. Oh wow, the charges were dismissed. Imagine that 567 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: isn't that the way Ashley willcot. You'll look back and 568 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: you see charge after charge after charge dismissed and nobody 569 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: did anything about it. That's the worst part in this case. 570 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: There were two separate incidents whether we're charges dismissed, And 571 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: you're right, Nancy, you know as well as I do. 572 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: If a prosecutor dismisses charges and then there's another event, 573 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: this person is likely to continue to commit crime, and 574 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: this one it became a terrific Well, listen to this 575 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: from the timeline that I can piece together. He moved 576 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: from New York to Tallahassee in two thousand eleven. He 577 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: didn't make it long. In two thousand twelve, he was 578 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: charged with grabbing a lady from behind on a rear 579 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: rend at the f s U dining hall on campus. 580 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: Charges dismissed. Okay hold on the charge. Those charges dismissed. 581 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: In two thousand. Two thousand and fourteen, he's charged with 582 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: trespassing into dining hall. He was given p t I 583 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: pretty trial intervene Shan. You know what happens at the 584 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: end of that. Your case is dismissed. Okay. Then he 585 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: was charged with battery in two thousand sixteen that was dismissed. 586 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: In that case, he apparently had approached a woman laying 587 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: out getting a tent at a pool, complimented her figure 588 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: and offered to put sunscreen on her rear end. Okay, 589 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: of course she said no, who wouldn't, and he grabbed 590 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: her anyway, even though she said no. Now this is 591 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: all in the police report, so all the warning signs 592 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: were there. He was banned from f s U campus. 593 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: He had one charge after the next, after the next, 594 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: after the next, dismissed. I don't know what yet. I 595 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: don't know yet, but I'm gonna find out what happened 596 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: in New York while he fled New York. But still 597 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: nothing was done. And he meets this gorgeous young girl, 598 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: miss Binkley, who's a senior in f s you set 599 00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: to graduate studying journalism in German and she's dead. You know, 600 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: all the warning signs were there, Dr Daniel Boberg, but 601 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: nothing was done. Yeah, Nancy, you're right. I mean, this 602 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: is like what we talked about. When you say connecting 603 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: the dots, I mean there was like a whole trail 604 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: of redcrumbs leading up to this incident. And had someone 605 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: intervened and done something about it and actually prosecuted this guy, 606 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: I think the outcome would have been different. And another 607 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: woman dead as well, a lady doctor, doctor van Vessem, 608 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: she's dead as well. I mean, I don't know how 609 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: that gaping hole can be filled in her family's life 610 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: and in the community. Joe Scott Morgan, could you explain 611 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: to me the nature of the scene and why he 612 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: would pick that location. Uh, you know, I'm I'm I'm 613 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: fascinated by this, Nancy, because it is in the sequestered 614 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: area where it's a it's not on the bottom floor, 615 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: it's up on the top level and and and back 616 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: some you know, not not a lot of folks are 617 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: going to be aware. And this is not near campus. Uh, 618 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: this is well off campus. It's you mentioned someone mentioned 619 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: earlier about traffic areas. You would have to specifically go there. 620 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: So in my estimation, uh, he he would have in 621 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: this context been very well aware of this, been watching 622 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: this area, the scene itself when you get in there. Uh, 623 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes is total chaos. Uh. The 624 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: what the police will be faced with and have been 625 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: faced with in this particular case, are copious amounts of 626 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: blood everywhere. There will be spent shell casings because my 627 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: assumption is from the way it sounds, because they said 628 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: that the weapon had jammed at one point time. He's 629 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: using semi automatic handgun, so as he's firing this weapon, 630 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: you'll be expending brass out of one side. So these 631 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: will be demonstrated all over the floor and it will 632 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: be total chaos. Not to mention the fact that the 633 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: e m t s have come in afterwards to try 634 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: to treat people. So it creates a huge mess for 635 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: the police to work backwards from Listen to Tallahassee Police 636 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: Chief Michael de Leo. Theving tlask Police Department responded to 637 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: nine bock of Hoshill Road in reference to its shooting. 638 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: Upon arriving on scene, officers found multiple victims suffering from 639 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: gunshot wounds. Emergency responders nearly provided aid and transported five 640 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: victims to local hospitals to receive medical attention. The gunman 641 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: is deceased with the possible self inflicted gunshot wound. One 642 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: victim has passed away at the hospital. The other four 643 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: victims at this time we're in critical condition and we're 644 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: working closely to identify them, work with them and notify 645 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: their families. At this time, all indications are this is 646 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: the act of a single person. There is no immediate 647 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: to our community. Obviously, we're all very saddened and shocked 648 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: by the events that occurred, but it's important that people 649 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: understand that there is no immediate threat outside of what 650 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: has alread occurred here this evening. All all the evidence 651 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: from point points to a single actor who has remained 652 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: on seen it is diseased at this time, so there 653 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,280 Speaker 1: is no additional threat to the public today. Our prayers 654 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: to the victims, families and all of their loved ones. 655 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime story signing off Goodbye Friend,