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Speaker 1: We've been waiting long enough. Welcome to pod Meats World.

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Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm Wilfredell, and I'm right or Strong

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Speaker 1: and today we are so incredibly overjoyed to welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast Bonnie Bartlett and Mr Bill Daniels. Is everybody

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Speaker 1: on their best behavior because Mr Feenie's here? Oh, in

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Speaker 1: matching colors too? Yeah? Isn't that interesting? That just happened? Really? First,

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Speaker 1: the other kids we were working with, going wow, they

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00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: did not have William Daniels on the set with them

426
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: when they were learning how to do because we all

427
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: took away the professionalism. Um. So that's one of the

428
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: things that I think, you know, meant the most to me,

429
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: was just kind of oh, that this is how you're

430
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: a professional. Um. He's very much more professional than I

431
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: am too. I can be. Uh, I don't know. I

432
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: love camera, I love to be on camera, I love

433
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: all that, but I don't prepare the way he does.

434
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: I prepare very differently and I might say a line

435
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: differently than it's written or something like that, and he

436
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: does not believe in that. And uh, he's not what

437
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: can I say, He's never allowed himself to be um

438
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: loose like Ed Bagley something like that. You know. He

439
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't allow that. He doesn't allow and he's really

440
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: good at it because he's funny. He has he has

441
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: a natural wit. And that's what improvisation needs, is that wit,

442
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: and that it is very good in uh say elsewhere

443
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: for instance, the wit. It's very important. He's always at that.

444
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: He said, a serious play always needs humor, you know,

445
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: because you've gotta have it. He will always look for

446
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: the funny, the funny bit. And in that play, you

447
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: missed the funny part. He says that to me all

448
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: the time. Thousand Poles in a thousand comes as a

449
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: line of where the guy says, you missed the funny part,

450
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: and he uses all those lines today. Very he's very

451
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: tough on me. I'm set, but I don't mind it,

452
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I just don't know it.

453
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: But he's openly tough on me. Yes, And he can

454
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: be a tough guy, very tough guy. I remember Bill,

455
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: you telling me about opening night of the Zoo Story,

456
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: the Great Edward I'll Be play that you started on Broadway,

457
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: And I remember you telling me that when the first

458
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: line came out, you were you were, I forget the

459
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: character's name, but you're the sort of straight man on

460
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: the bench, and the guy comes up behind you and says,

461
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: I've been to the zoo, and you just looked up,

462
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: and just by your look, the audience broken laughs, And

463
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: I remember every and then I remember and then you said, Edward,

464
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: I'll be freaked out the first night because he was like,

465
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: why are they laughing? This isn't funny. This is supposed

466
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: to be a very serious play. But you guys kept

467
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: finding laughs. And I've always remembered that such a great play.

468
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Hey didn't he didn't know the right you know, even

469
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: though he wrote it. And I didn't know it either.

470
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: But all I did was look up. But you know,

471
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: because that's a funny line. I've been to the zoo,

472
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: you know. And we learned to accept it because it

473
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: meant that the audience was with you right away. And

474
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: I thought I was just this guy sitting on the bench.

475
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: He had all the lines right. But they realized after

476
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: a while that they saw the play through my eyes

477
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: about him, who was a strange fellow, you know. I

478
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: realized that wasn't just a sit there part. It was

479
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: a very important important part of the play. Yeah, well,

480
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's in some ways. I mean also what

481
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: you did with Mr Feeney, you get so many laughs

482
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: without ever having to be very uh animated. You know,

483
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of like he didn't know,

484
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: You're not comical here, You're you're kind of just a

485
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: version of build in both right, just sort of and

486
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: yet you are getting so many laughs constantly, you know,

487
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like the rest of us are hamming

488
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: it up for hitting these beats and you never have

489
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: to do a thing. You just kind of But that's

490
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: exactly why Mr Feeney and Eric worked so well together,

491
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: because they were such just opposites when it came to

492
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: everything comedically that it did. Were it just worked. It

493
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: was that the classic straight man, uh joker clown put together,

494
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: and it's that's where you find the comedy. It's it's amazing.

495
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: And well, I was one of the greatest compliments I

496
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: ever got. We were about season six of Boy Mets

497
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: World and Bill, you came up to me and you

498
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: put your arm around me, and it said, it looks

499
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: like you're my new ed Bagley and you and you

500
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: walked away, and it was I remember just thinking, like

501
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: that is the coolest thing. And I'm going to go

502
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: buy a tesla Um and so yeah, very very neat,

503
00:31:47,200 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: very Bill. You played Mr Braddock in The Grad to

504
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: it an absolutely iconic movie and iconic role. What did

505
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: you learn from Mike Nichols? Oh, well, Mike was a

506
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: performer himself with Elaine Man. He would pick people carefully

507
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: and then he would direct them only minimally. He didn't

508
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: He let you alone unless he saw something that was wrong.

509
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: But uh, he just let you alone. And I don't

510
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: remember any actual direction that he gave me. Interesting, let

511
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: me do it the way I was going to do it.

512
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: It's more about the casting yeast place. And he fired

513
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: people when he felt they were wrong, and he always

514
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: stood was my mistake. I made the mistake. He fired

515
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: a very very famous actor was retired. Now he was

516
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: cast and and and he fired him. Oh gosh, he

517
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: lives in Santa Fe. Uh, he retired. He was a

518
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: great film actor, very big star of He thought that

519
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: was the end of this his life. What Gene Ackman

520
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: Jen Hackman oterally in The Graduate? No way, he got

521
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: fired before they started filming. And uh, he was with Bill.

522
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: He said to me, this is the end of my career,

523
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: and uh, Bill said oh, and of course he went

524
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: on to fame unfortune immediately. But anyway, Mike just said,

525
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I made a mistake. We got the cast together and

526
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: the apologized about letting Jane go. He said it was

527
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: my mistake. His Yeah, well, this isn't interesting. Something that

528
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: I've often wondered about. It seems like because I I

529
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: remember you telling us that you had no idea what

530
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: the graduate was, that it would become such a big thing,

531
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's often the case as an actor.

532
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: You never know, you know, you never was there ever

533
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: a time where you were able to look around and say,

534
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: oh I am a part of something really special, or

535
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: you knew exactly how big something was going to be. Yes,

536
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a truism that no one knows what's

537
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna work and what isn't until they tried it and

538
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: the graduate was born with them. You know, we didn't

539
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: know this young man, I think Mike him, Yes he did.

540
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: Mike Nichols knew. Yeah, he saw him off Broadway and

541
00:34:51,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: they wanted Redford the Studio one and Robin, but typical

542
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: good hand Mike said, no, I want this guy from

543
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: New York and he was in a position to call

544
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: all the shots at that point because he had been

545
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: very successful and he did. He had already done. He

546
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: was afraid of Virginia Woolf. Yeah, so it was an

547
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: interesting experience. It was very funny. Mike. Oh god, he

548
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: couldn't make anybody laugh at any given time. I remember, Uh,

549
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: they were photographing dustin in the in the pool and

550
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: he was going over it with the cinematographer because they

551
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: had a guy underwater that was going to shoot up

552
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: underwater from one point of view. And I came over

553
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: to see how it was being done. And he's talking

554
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: to his cinematographer and he senses I'm there, and he says,

555
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: what to me? What I said, I just wanted to

556
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: see how how you were going to shoot this. He

557
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: turned to a spot, said why has he attacking me?

558
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: He would he would call it if I asked the phone.

559
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: He said, Bonnie. And then I said, oh, yes, sir,

560
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: He said, did we we we ever married? I remember you?

561
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: He said no, no, No, I never met you. He

562
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: said yes. He said you were very big in my life.

563
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: He said you were Strasburg secretary, and uh, you were

564
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: very important. And I paid thirty dollars of them, and I, oh, no,

565
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember. And finally I said, well, if I

566
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: had known you were going to be so famous, I

567
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: would have remembered. I was so embarrassed I did not.

568
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: How do you forget Mike Nichols? I had? So I

569
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: have a question for you, Bill, your your career has

570
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: been so prolific. Is there a role that you really

571
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: wanted that you didn't get ever that you can remember?

572
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: You know what? I can sort of answer that because

573
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: he has been quoting Hamlet all of our married lives,

574
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: and I think that, although he never expressed it even

575
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: to himself, I think he identified with that part very

576
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: much and would like to have played that. He was

577
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: very good in Shakespeare. He was a Macbeth, very good

578
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: Micbel especially in the later part. Uh, that was that

579
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: Northwestern But I know, but you were good, and you

580
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: were very good at older and you must have done

581
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: Lady Macbeth bonny at point right. Yeah, I was good

582
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: on a sleepwalking seem not so good in the first part.

583
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: That's harder, the hard party, the letter, Yeah, tough to

584
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: come on and do that well, and it was I

585
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: would have I would have directed it totally differently than

586
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: they do. I would have now, yeah, and you know something,

587
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: it's maybe it's because it's Shakespeare, but it never is

588
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: out of my head, come back all the time, and

589
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: he does lines from from Shakespeare all the time, you know,

590
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: just quietly sitting there. But I do think a little

591
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: bit a terrific Hamlet it would have been. Bill. Do

592
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: you remember the feeling you had or was there a

593
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: specific moment when you knew that Boy Meets World was

594
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: a hit. When did you know Boy Meets World was

595
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: a hit? Gosh, I don't remember. I'm guessing it was

596
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: before having to run away from all the people in

597
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: New York. It was that it was that New York imperience. Yeah,

598
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: ye see. I think I think none of us really

599
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: quite realized how much of a hit the show was

600
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: until after it was killed. But it wasn't like early huh.

601
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: It wasn't really a hit. It was on, but we

602
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: were never We never got any of the publicity that

603
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: every other show got. We just didn't you or anything. No,

604
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: just kept going. We were like Wings for kids. It

605
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: was a show everyone's like. Wasn't Wings on for a season?

606
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: It's like no, we was on for eight years. It

607
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: was one of those who would ever have imagine how

608
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: this has come back, How they love you all and

609
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: they want to see you all and they wanted you know.

610
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of amazing. Okay, I have another question

611
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: than Bill. Do you have a Mr. Feenie type in

612
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: your life or an educator that you think back to

613
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: that really like made such a huge impact on you.

614
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: I was in a play on the roadway. Actually I

615
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: was an understudy, but it was a play with four

616
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: sons called Life with Fallow and I was the understudy

617
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: and as the oldest, got to be eighteen and was drafted.

618
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: That all move up and then I found myself at

619
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: the bottom of the list. And but Mr Lindsay came

620
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: back into the play after have him taken a year

621
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: off of it Howard to play Howard Lindsay the play

622
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: Graham for seven years. Wow, was a huge hit. So

623
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: I know that I was going to be drafted. First

624
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: of all, you got to rehearse with him, and that

625
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: was the thing when he came back into the play,

626
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: that's when you got together. Yes, oh yeah, he oh,

627
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: he had a he had a moment with me where

628
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: uh and we're in rehearsal because he came back to

629
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: the play and he had to rehearse to get into it.

630
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: The bill was already in it. Yeah, so uh, he said,

631
00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: at this point there'll be a huge laugh bill. He said,

632
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: so just look in my eyes and it will tell

633
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: you when to do your line. I thought, man, that's

634
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: pretty strange, but it happened. He could release you with

635
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: his eyes to say your line. But you had a

636
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: way because it was a huge laugh and you know

637
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: those laughs go up and then level him and just

638
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: start to come down. That's when you come in with

639
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: your line. And that's what he wanted from me. But

640
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: he released me at that moment with his eyes, and

641
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: she was amazing. Man. And then I said. I went

642
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: to him in the dressing room and I said to him, um,

643
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: Mr lindsay, you know I'm gonna be drafted, and when

644
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: I get back, I wanna should I go? I was

645
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: thinking of going to the what was it, the the

646
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: Academy Acting in New York, very famous. Uh. And he said,

647
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: he said, he was at his dressing table. He said

648
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: close the door, and I closed the door and he said,

649
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: don't go there that this. Yeah, he said, I'm on

650
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: the board. Don't go there. He said, what you do

651
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: is you write board of education for colleges that have

652
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: good speech school and drama sections, which I did. I

653
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: wrote the government and I got an board of education.

654
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: I got an answer back and it was Yale uh

655
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: U c l A Northwestern. And so I was out

656
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: with my sister, the one where Walter Kurwest. Yeah, I'm

657
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Catholic University. So um, I was out with my sisters

658
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: who were in a play with Walter Houston. My little

659
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: sister was I don't know how old she was seven.

660
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: She played. It was called Apple of his Eye. Walter Houston.

661
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: I think he was a great man. And so I

662
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: I went up there and they gave me a thing

663
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: to test test and I had no ucation. That was

664
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: what That's what Howard Lindsey said. You do that and

665
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: you're going to get an education. He said, you you

666
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: need to get an education. And that's why he said,

667
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: go to college, don't go to the American Actors thing.

668
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: And you all right, so in other words, don't just

669
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: worry about your acting, worry about educating yourself. Education exactly.

670
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: And he was the best. Parents never graduated from high school.

671
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: They never even graduate they never went to high school.

672
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: I have a funny story about that. I my sisters

673
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: were in Chicago in a play with Walter Houston, and

674
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: I was out visiting them, and my mother said, I

675
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: think one of those schools up there somewhere is one

676
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: of the schools that you wrote that was recommended. And

677
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: so I went up with our own appointment, and I

678
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: see this beautiful school on the on the the lake. Yeah,

679
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: and the campus and everything, you know, and I didn't

680
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: have much of an education. We were acting as and

681
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: you know we didn't. They were poor, poor Brooklyn, Brooklyn,

682
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: poor Brooklyn, right, And so I went up there and uh,

683
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: I walked around until I found the person who who

684
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: would interview me. And you took the test? They said,

685
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: you were in uniform and you've been on Broadway. I

686
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: took this test and the room was filled with other

687
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: people taking the tests, and I'm looking at it and

688
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, could be yes, could be well? And pretty

689
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: soon I heard and I look up. It's the teacher

690
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: and he said, are you finished? Well? I wasn't even

691
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: halfway through it. Yeah, I guess so on paper. And

692
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: I got on a train going back down to Chicago,

693
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I've blew that, but they accepted me,

694
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: and I think they accepted me because I've been on

695
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: broad Oh yeah. But you know, when he started out,

696
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: when I met Bill, his grades were A, B, C D.

697
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: He had the two speech courses were A and B,

698
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: and then he had the D where political science or

699
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: something which he didn't often take a test or something.

700
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: You know. By the time we ended, he got a

701
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: full scholarship to do for a master's. He was a

702
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: straight A plus plus plus plus because he was a natural,

703
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: but he never I didn't know how to do it,

704
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: and of course I was a professional student, and so

705
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: I just helped him to learn how to be a student,

706
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: and he was top, top up top. Now, Bill, I've

707
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: heard you tell the story before, because you don't have

708
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: a Brooklyn accent at all. You have actually a very

709
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: refined America standard accent, which when I was a kid

710
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: I completely thought was British. I remember asking you, are

711
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: you from London and you just kind of sheepishly went, no,

712
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: it sounds like that. But so you actually you actually

713
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: trained yourself to get your accent from the play that

714
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned living with father, right, father, Yes, father, Yeah,

715
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: I kind of picked it up naturally really from the

716
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: other people in the cast, and the Brooklyn accent went

717
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: and it was something like a New England accent, so

718
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: very close to British accent. Uh, And I picked that

719
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: up without realizing it. Uh, when he was It's hard.

720
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: I've never understood it because I know his whole family

721
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: and when he was a little boy, he didn't want

722
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: to be in Brooklyn. He didn't want to go to

723
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: the automat. He was like always, always different. He's totally

724
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: different from his family, and I don't know, you're just

725
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: born that way. I don't know where it comes from.

726
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: But he's totally different from his Everything about him is

727
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: different from his family, except his father was also a

728
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: very angry man, and that the anger he got from

729
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: his dad. What does it mean to you when when

730
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: people come up to you and tell you that they

731
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: themselves have become a teacher because of you and your

732
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: role as Mr Feenie. Oh, well, I thank them and

733
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: I wish them well. Uh, it doesn't happen that often. Oh,

734
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: it happens all the time in the campy os that

735
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: you do. And he's very That makes them very happy,

736
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: because that's real on Bill's part. Education and teachers and

737
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: he just it changed his life and he just loves

738
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: people who become teachers. He does. I mean, Bill, if

739
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: you don't hear it every single day, it is only

740
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: because people end up feeling too shy to tell you,

741
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: because we hear it all the time all the time.

742
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: You have made such an impact for so many different

743
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: reasons over the course of your career, but especially Mr

744
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: Finie has made such an impact on generations of children

745
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: because of the people who were so inspired by you

746
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: that have now gone on to become teachers themselves, and

747
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: they're using you and Mr Finnie as an example of

748
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: what kind of teacher to be. All those all those

749
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: students under those teachers are benefiting from you without even

750
00:49:54,040 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: knowing it. Well, that's true and in all those parts, Yeah,

751
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: that has come through and I think that's just Bill. Yeah,

752
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: that's just who he is, uh, and and the how

753
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: he registers to people. And I don't know what you

754
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: call that. You call it the ultimate definition of lead

755
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: by example. Yes, is what it seems to be. Because

756
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: again with Bill, he never taught us. It was just

757
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: we learned by being around him. So it was that

758
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: lead by example. This is look at what I can

759
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: emulate if I just try a little harder. Um So,

760
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: I think it was that as an actor, something comes

761
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: through that is I think special. Yeah, absolutely, of course.

762
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: Well they they talk about it or the X factor,

763
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: those are those are words you hear all the time

764
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: that well, how do you describe it? You can't you

765
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: You point at it, and I think that's yeah. I

766
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: think Bill's got it in spades. Yeah. Yeah. What are

767
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: your Marie's of being on boy Meat's World? Well, it

768
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: was so fun and easy. I had never been terribly

769
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: comfortable on uh sitcom's. I I'm better as a dramatic actress,

770
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: very dramatic and um uh so I had been on

771
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: Barney Miller and it was very successful funny shows I

772
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: did okay, and then I did that Golden Girls. I

773
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it until much later, and then

774
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: that character became the mean belong with Western you know,

775
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: behind the scenes terrible lady, um which I knew how

776
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: to do. But uh so, when Michael asked me to

777
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: do it, I was kind of flattered. And he never

778
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: asked me to do the only thing he ever asked

779
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: me to do I couldn't do was put my we

780
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: spend half an hour trying to get click fingers. Finally said,

781
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: I give up. I can be funny in a different way,

782
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: but it's not his way. It's it's totally different. But

783
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: I don't have that. I don't have that funny bone. Well,

784
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: but what you both do? You both you both have

785
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: the set. It's just that you have different senses. If

786
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: you mean funny you are an Emmy winner, yes, and

787
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: very funny. You're also very funny. It's just it's it's

788
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: I remember Bill telling me, well, yes, you're sure you are.

789
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: It's just a different it comes out. Bill is very

790
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: quick when it comes to that kind of kind of

791
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: you know. We we will do conventions together and Bill

792
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: might only say two or three things on stage, but

793
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: they bring the house down. I mean, the timing is perfect,

794
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: the line is perfect. Bill. I remember you telling me

795
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: one story about a joke on st elsewhere that you

796
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: thought was hysterical, where you were playing the piano and

797
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: there was a a vase of flowers on the piano.

798
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: Do you remember Do you remember this joke? This was

799
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: Bruce Paltrow's and the Riders jokes. They always tried to

800
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: fool the sensors. Yeah, to put in something very dirty

801
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: and the sensors won't get it. Really is such such

802
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: a great joke too. That was their big thing. And

803
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: what was it? That's true? Two lips on the peatto,

804
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: two lips on the organ, two lips on the organ.

805
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: Bill was sitting there playing and he said, there's nothing

806
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: better than two lips on the organ. He thought it

807
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: was crap, he said, so he would say two lips

808
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: on the organ, and they said no, no, no, two

809
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: lips on the organ. No, no, Kes. It was a

810
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: great joke. I remember you telling me that and just

811
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: losing it for days. Tulips on the organ. Oh my gosh. Wow.

812
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,479
Speaker 1: Well are there any actors you wish you could work

813
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: with again? Bill? I mean no pressure to say, us

814
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: sitting here, you know, just wondering, like, of all the

815
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: amazing actors you've worked with, are there any actors you'd

816
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: love to work with again? They're all dead. We can't anybody. Yeah,

817
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: process of elimination. I remember our show with just Affection.

818
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: I really had a great time on the show and

819
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: with your kids when you were kids, and it turned

820
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: out very well. Is it as it turned out? So

821
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: I remember it very well. We remember it very well too,

822
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: and we are very fortunate as well mentioned that we

823
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: get to do can meventions with you and we get

824
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: to see you regularly. And I know how much that

825
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: means to fans too, that they get to tell you

826
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: how much you mean to them. You are very special

827
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: in so many people's lives, and um, you know, I

828
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: can very easily cry thinking about that last scene that

829
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: we did with you at the end of our show,

830
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: and for all the years we worked together, Um, there

831
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: was something so gosh seeing you and being with you

832
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: in that last scene in the classroom really nailed home

833
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: for me that this was the end of an era.

834
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: And it also was very much the end of my childhood.

835
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: I had been on Boy Meat's World from twelve until

836
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: I was nineteen years old, and knowing the show was

837
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: over and saying goodbye to all of these people and

838
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: saying goodbye to all of these experiences that had really shaped,

839
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, the majority of my life at this point. Um,

840
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: you just you are very special to me and I

841
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: will love you and appreciate you forever. And I'm so

842
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: lucky that I still get to see you and talk

843
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: to you regularly. And I went to your book signing

844
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: I waited in line outside and um, when they found

845
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: out I was outside, Bell was like, what are you

846
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: doing waiting in line? You could have told me you

847
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: were coming. I was like, I wanted I wanted the experience.

848
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it like everyone else. So just

849
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: thank you for everything. You know. I think your show

850
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: was one of the healthiest shows, the healthiest comedies. I

851
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons it. And you know, I

852
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: say that we need that and people need that now,

853
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: that kind of healthy thing that was part of that show.

854
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: It really was. Yeah, Yeah, we love you, Bill. I

855
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: don't know what else to say. We love you, Bonnie,

856
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: thank you both. Thank you so much for everything. I

857
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: cherish our memories and conversations. I'm so grateful all the time.

858
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: And here's too many, many more of them, because we

859
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: want to have you back, because we're just scraping the

860
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: surface of Mr Feenie and Bill and Bond. I feel

861
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: like you're afraid to cry. Well, but you're you're out

862
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: of out of all of us, you are the closest

863
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: to Bill and Bond. I don't cry ever, except that

864
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: feed the birds when they sing that in Mary Poppins.

865
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: Everything else is not sad. At all. Now we we

866
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: we've got to know each other very well over the years,

867
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: all of us, and it's, uh, it's it's just amazing

868
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: that we've been able to share all these experiences. So

869
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: thank you for coming, both of you. Thank you. We

870
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. We love you, guys, We love you.

871
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: Thank you. Wo oh man. They're so wonderful and so

872
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: stories that man has, the life they have lived is

873
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: just amazing. Watching their shorthand communication where Bill we'll start

874
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: to get like he's telling a story and then he'll

875
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: start to get distracted and think what was that? What

876
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: was my point? And he'll just look at her and

877
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: she'll go and then and she gives him like and

878
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: he's like right, and like watching their shorthand together is

879
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: just amazing. It's incredible. You know, it's fine. We we've

880
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: talked a lot about that, you know, just recognizing how

881
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: old everyone like when we were kids, everyone was just

882
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: blanket adults. Like by the time they were on that

883
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: we met them, I mean, the wealth of acting experience

884
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: and like industry experience, Like I just I just can't

885
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: believe I didn't take more advantage of it, you know,

886
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: because I think in at the time. I mean, this

887
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: is just part of being an adolescent. You think you

888
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: know everything, and obviously, like I knew Bill had done

889
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,479
Speaker 1: a lot, but um, you know, I I just wish

890
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: I had a tape recorder. I can go back in

891
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: time and ask him about all those things. Just every

892
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: dormce in a while he would just open up his

893
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: mouth and tell the story like the Zoo story, Broadway

894
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: and or working on the Graduate or any of them

895
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: in every single one of them are their legendary. Uh

896
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's it's one of those things

897
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 1: like you you realize almost too late, always like oh,

898
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: we should have been writing this now. Yeah, well again though,

899
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: when you're a kid, you know your life is gonna

900
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: last forever, and you you know, we were taking every

901
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: day for granted that we were while we were on

902
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: the set of Boy Throw. And you're not thinking about

903
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: your craft when you're thirteen fourteen, I mean not at all,

904
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: And you also think you also have this weird thing

905
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: like I don't know at least I did where Um

906
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I just didn't. You just don't

907
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: think of your career beyond the one. The moment you're issure,

908
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, like the idea that like, well, boy, mean's

909
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: world is gonna end and and then you might be

910
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: on in like fifty other TV shows like Bill Daniels.

911
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: That was just impossible to imagine, you know. But like

912
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: at that point they had already they had a full

913
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: the whole life of of acting and being in the business,

914
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: which I just don't think you can recognize as a teenager.

915
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: You just think that, like it's always just gonna be

916
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: like this forever, not realizing that, like, first of all,

917
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: the chances of you being a to continue working are

918
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: so slim because you have to, you know, just get

919
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: the jobs and then just to have the tenacity and

920
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: the willpower to stick it out. It's so hard. It's

921
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: so hard, and to be positive about to have a

922
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: positive attitude. I mean, you know, there's a reason that

923
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: most people stop acting in their twenties, especially when you

924
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: were a child actor forced into the industry, which he was,

925
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if you read his book, he was there

926
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: and he talked about it in the interview, but he,

927
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: I mean forced into the industry. And we've talked about

928
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: how easy it is to get that love of entertainment

929
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: or love of acting, just beating out of you at

930
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: at a young age, and for him to then take

931
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: his own career by the reins and go, no, now

932
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm in charge. I'm gonna learn the craft and I'm

933
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: gonna go from there. It's so rare and just amazing

934
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: to have that longevity in this industry and and hit

935
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: every single version of the industry from Broadway to play

936
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: to regular players to Broadway to understudying too. I mean

937
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: he's hit every possible sitcom drop, you name it, he's

938
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: done it. Yeah, I mean voiceover. I mean he was

939
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: a kid, a night Rider he was. We didn't even

940
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: talk about kids. We didn't even get any writer. I mean, well,

941
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: that was a question. That's a question I wanted to

942
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: ask you guys, what was your knowledge of Bill Daniels

943
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: when you met him or what did you know him

944
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: from when you when when you met him on set?

945
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: I had three very important things to me. Kid from

946
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: night Rider was very important to me. Um obviously, UM

947
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: the graduate, just as you know a someone who loved

948
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: film quote unquote, but you know secretly so you already

949
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: need a graduate. So I already absolutely need a graduate.

950
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: But I also knew, Um it's not called death becomes

951
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: or what's it called. There's a the Ferdel family has.

952
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: We were big movie fans, but it was always kind

953
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: of shlocky movies, like wait, I know which one you're

954
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: gonna say, because this was my answer, which yes, yes,

955
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's how That's what I realized because

956
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: I was sitting here because I I thought of this

957
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: question and I was like, what was the name of

958
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: that movie? Because it was the only thing I really

959
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: knew Bill from. It's a movie with Tom sell He's

960
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: like erotic thriller, Tom Selleck. Paulina Poraskova, who's who's a

961
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: supermodel and she plays Tom Selleck's girl, like the girlfriend.

962
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: And then there's Bill Daniels who's like his his his

963
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: literary agent. He's a novelist's exactly. I mean it. It's

964
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: definitely of that tradition like in the late eighties, early nineties,

965
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: those sort of like tight thrillery. You know, it was

966
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: a comedic thriller. You guys, this this is nuts. I

967
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: didn't know he was in that movie. But that movie

968
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: plays a very integral part in my childhood stories really

969
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: because yes, because my parents had rented it from like

970
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: Blockbuster and it was on the kitchen counter, and my

971
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: brother walked by and said, what's her alibi? And it

972
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: was just one of those moments where like one of

973
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: those family jokes where everything was it's her relieb it's

974
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: her relieving. And we've told that story a million times

975
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: of Oh remember the time christ thott Alm I was

976
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: a leading We should we should have brought this up

977
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: to Bill, because I mean, I was his career, in

978
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: his career, I'm so curious where her alibi falls. It

979
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: must be so low on one important career, miles seriously,

980
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: But for me, that's exactly what I knew him from me.

981
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: And then it wasn't until we're filming our third or

982
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: fourth episode and we were doing a note session with

983
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: Michael Jacobs and Bill leaned forward and said, now, Michael, Michael,

984
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: and I went, I know that voice. And I hadn't.

985
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't really grown up with TV, but I did

986
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: know night Writer because of course everybody in school would

987
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: talk about night Rider, and so I knew his voice

988
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: the second I heard. And I remember going to Universal

989
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: Studios as a kid, and you could go talk to

990
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: kid and they had somebody doing an impersonation of those

991
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: are the only two things I knew him from everything

992
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: else I had to learn while working with him because

993
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: he would never talk about stuff either, like you know,

994
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: he would never brag. You would never And that's why

995
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: getting Bonnie on the show was so fun because she

996
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: would come in and in front of him start telling

997
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: Bill Daniel stories. Yeah, and she was kind of like

998
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: pulling the curtain back and and you could tell she

999
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: loved to do that, and you could tell Bill did not,

1000
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: like it's an angry man exactly. I thought it was

1001
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: a horrible father. She's so honest and I love it.

1002
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: One of the first moments I can remember actually connecting

1003
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: with not connecting with Bill, but going up and saying,

1004
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to him, and jes see, I

1005
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: quoted him to him from her alibi and you went, oh, yeah,

1006
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: like that was it because I I just it was.

1007
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: It was like okay, because that was what we did

1008
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: in our family. My family, we are huge movie quote people.

1009
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm gonna go quote it to

1010
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: the guy. And it didn't go over that. It's like

1011
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: ed balloon. That's so funny. Anyway, that was amazing. I'm

1012
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: so glad, I'm so glad they were here. Oh man,

1013
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: I could talk to him forever. Alright, So up next

1014
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: we are going to talk. Episode number one, oh three,

1015
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: Father Knows Less. It is directed by David Trainer. Originally

1016
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,320
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