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Speaker 2: Ray and Fay Copeland were husband and wife serial killers
Speaker 2: and the oldest couple ever sentenced to death in the
Speaker 2: United States. Their known victims include Dennis Murphy born in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two in Normal, Illinois and killed in October
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty six. Wayne Warner from Bloomington, Illinois, killed
Speaker 2: in November of nineteen eighty six. Jimmy Harvey born in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one in Springfield, Missouri, and killed in October
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty eight. John Freeman born on January sixth,
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two in Boonville, Indiana, and killed in December
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty eight. And Paul Cohort born on September thirtieth,
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, in Dardenelle, Arkansas, and killed in May
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty nine. More men are still considered missing
Speaker 2: and like also murdered, though their remains have not been found.
Speaker 2: This is a story about nearly a dozen hired hands
Speaker 2: who disappeared from the Copeland farm in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Criminalia, I'm Maria Tremarchy and.
Speaker 1: I'm Holly Frye. Ray Copeland was an aging farmer whose
Speaker 1: neighbors in Moorsville, Missouri, population one point thirty had always
Speaker 1: viewed him as a quote menacing odd ball. They reported
Speaker 1: that he yelled at waitresses. The owner of the local
Speaker 1: cafe described him as quote real bity and snappy. Others
Speaker 1: in town said they'd personally witnessed him intentionally run over
Speaker 1: dogs with his vehicle. He made his neighbors uneasy. Most
Speaker 1: thought that he abused his wife and children, and most
Speaker 1: kept their distance. But in addition to his temper and behavior,
Speaker 1: they also told authorities that he regularly hung out around
Speaker 1: places where drifters and vagrants could get a meal in
Speaker 1: a bed for the night, and he knew that he
Speaker 1: made them job offers. He was also known to pick
Speaker 1: up hitchhikers to work as hired hands on his farm.
Speaker 2: Ray had a long history of criminal activity, and he'd
Speaker 2: spent quite a bit of time incarcerated. He was born
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma in nineteen fourteen. He dropped out of school
Speaker 2: when he was nine years old, and that was in
Speaker 2: the fourth grade, and was described by friends of the
Speaker 2: family as stubborn and insubordinate. Before the age of twenty,
Speaker 2: he had started committing petty crimes to help his family
Speaker 2: make ends meet during the Great Depression. Sometimes he stole livestock,
Speaker 2: primarily hoggs, once stealing and selling his own father's livestock,
Speaker 2: But his favorite criminal activity was writing fraudulent checks. He
Speaker 2: was arrested for forgery. In fact, he was arrested and
Speaker 2: jailed several times for it. In nineteen thirty nine, Ray
Speaker 2: was arrested and sentenced to one year in jail for
Speaker 2: forging government checks, kind of a step up the ladder
Speaker 2: of check for us.
Speaker 1: He met Faye Della Wilson in nineteen forty, shortly after
Speaker 1: his release from jail after that arrest and incarceration, and
Speaker 1: they married and had several children. Their primary income was
Speaker 1: Ray's ongoing offense of writing and cashing bad checks, which
Speaker 1: was also intertwined with cattle theft. Will explain so hold
Speaker 1: that thought. Ray was jailed several times while his children
Speaker 1: were young, and the family moved from town to town.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty seven, they bought a small farm with
Speaker 1: forty acres of land in Mooresville, Missouri, their final home,
Speaker 1: but Ray's criminal past followed them there too. Specifically, Ray
Speaker 1: was barred from livestock auctions. Auction houses refused to sell
Speaker 1: cattle to him because he was known for writing bad
Speaker 1: checks to make those purchases.
Speaker 2: In the nineteen seventies, seemingly having spent more time behind
Speaker 2: bars than at home, Ray started thinking about it new
Speaker 2: way to buy cattle with bad checks. His scheme had
Speaker 2: been that he hired transient workers as farm hands, and
Speaker 2: part of their job was to sign his checks as
Speaker 2: proxies at live auctions, and when those checks bounced for
Speaker 2: insufficient funds, he would deny. He wrote them, I mean,
Speaker 2: look the signatures and the handwriting, they don't even match his.
Speaker 2: And Ray would sell the animals before anyone caught on
Speaker 2: about the check fraud. But after one worker, a man
Speaker 2: named Gerald Perkins, was loose lipped about the scam after
Speaker 2: being caught, it was Ray who ended up spending two
Speaker 2: years in prison for check forgery. Perkins had given him
Speaker 2: up that scheme was over, sort of. He made some modifications,
Speaker 2: and we'll lay that out in just a minute, because
Speaker 2: first we're going to take a break forward from our sponsors.
Speaker 2: When we're back, we will talk about an anonymous tip
Speaker 2: that turned the authorities onto possible crimes at the Copeland Farm.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about raised new scheme
Speaker 1: and one hired hand who got away with his life
Speaker 1: and then tipped off authorities to possible hobicides on the
Speaker 1: Copeland farm.
Speaker 2: By the mid nineteen eighties, Ray was fine tuning his
Speaker 2: fraud scheme. Over three years, local police had been tracking
Speaker 2: a string of bad checks passed by transients transiances who
Speaker 2: had turned out had all worked at Copeland's farm. During
Speaker 2: the same time, cattle houses in rural Missouri found themselves
Speaker 2: plagued with a fraud problem. There were several men who
Speaker 2: had purchased cattle with checks that were returned due to
Speaker 2: insufficient funds, but when police tried to find those men,
Speaker 2: they appeared to have just vanished. When questioned about the men,
Speaker 2: Ray stated he knew nothing about what happened to his
Speaker 2: farm hands when they left the farm. After all, he
Speaker 2: hired transient workers, and by nature, they moved along, and
Speaker 2: it just so happened that Raid never hired a farm
Speaker 2: hand who had a family or who would be missed
Speaker 2: if he suddenly disappeared.
Speaker 1: Local authorities felt something suspicious was going on, but they
Speaker 1: had no proof until August of nineteen eighty nine. On
Speaker 1: August twentieth, nineteen eighty nine, at seven thirty pm, the
Speaker 1: Nebraska Crime Stoppers hotline logged an anonymous tip. A male
Speaker 1: caller accused Ray Copeland of murdering the men that he
Speaker 1: hired as farm hands. The caller stated that he'd moved
Speaker 1: from Missouri to Nebraska to escape Ray, and had, while
Speaker 1: in Missouri witnessed events that made him fear for his
Speaker 1: life and perhaps the lives of others. He explained that
Speaker 1: he'd worked on the Copelands farm and there he'd seen
Speaker 1: a skull and several human bones buried on the land.
Speaker 1: He continued that initially he was unaware of the illegal
Speaker 1: activities happening there, but he was since sure there were
Speaker 1: illegal activities happening, and then he hung up. That man
Speaker 1: turned out to be fifty seven year old Jack McCormick,
Speaker 1: a transient worker who was wanted for writing bad checks
Speaker 1: because he was a drifter and in recovery from alcohol addiction.
Speaker 1: Nebraska police initially didn't think very much of the man's claims.
Speaker 1: They just didn't think he was trustworthy. But after even
Speaker 1: just a shallow dive into the deep criminal pool of
Speaker 1: the farmer in question Ray Copeland, they then notified Missouri
Speaker 1: authorities about the tip.
Speaker 2: When Missouri police asked about checks that had bounced at
Speaker 2: auction houses written by people working for him, Ray told
Speaker 2: them that they had bounced checks to him too, and
Speaker 2: what did that prove authorities first shrugged it off because
Speaker 2: though there was a spike in check fraud, Ray's story
Speaker 2: sounded maybe plausible. But Jack McCormick had more to say
Speaker 2: than just his anonymous tip. He had details. He told
Speaker 2: authorities that when Ray hired him, he brought him to
Speaker 2: the bank to open a checking account with a small
Speaker 2: amount of money. Ray's new scheme was in place, and
Speaker 2: it worked like this. He and his hired hand would
Speaker 2: attend cattle auctions and bid exorbitant prices on livestock. His
Speaker 2: hired hand would write a check, and together the pair
Speaker 2: would leave with the livestock they allegedly purchased. By the
Speaker 2: time the checks bounced for insufficient funds, Ray had already
Speaker 2: resold the cattle, and the man who'd signed the check
Speaker 2: was nowhere to be found. And it was a fraud
Speaker 2: scheme he pulled off over and over. Between nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: six and the summer of nineteen eighty nine, a dozen
Speaker 2: men who'd worked for Ray Copeland accumulated a total of
Speaker 2: thirty two thousand dollars through phony bank accounts, and then
Speaker 2: those men vanished.
Speaker 1: It didn't seem strange to Jack the scam or the
Speaker 1: disappearances until one night when Ray called for help with
Speaker 1: a raccoon in the barn. Entering the barn, Jack found
Speaker 1: himself with a rifle pointed at his head. He left
Speaker 1: with his life after promising that he would leave Missouri
Speaker 1: and that he would never speak of his time at
Speaker 1: the farm. It was risky and frankly out of character
Speaker 1: for Ray to believe him and let Jack go. He
Speaker 1: just did not count on Jack's billing the beans.
Speaker 2: Said Ray to detectives when they arrived at his Mooorsville
Speaker 2: farm after the crime stopper's tip quote, you'll find nothing
Speaker 2: on my place, but they did. Missouri investigators spent months
Speaker 2: gathering evidence in addition to McCormick's statements to secure a
Speaker 2: search warrant. On the morning of October ninth, nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: Sheriff Leland O'Dell, along with reported upwards of forty officers,
Speaker 2: several back hose and teams of bloodhounds, arrived at the
Speaker 2: Copelands farm. A week into their crime scene investigation, they
Speaker 2: had turned up nothing, but then on October seventeenth, they
Speaker 2: discovered multiple bodies buried in shallow graves, each with a
Speaker 2: twenty two caliber bullet to the back of the head,
Speaker 2: shot at close range.
Speaker 1: The following week, investigators also began a search of the
Speaker 1: neighboring farm where Ray frequently worked for extra money, and
Speaker 1: they found a grizzly scene in a barn there. It
Speaker 1: took several hours to remove two thousand bales of hay,
Speaker 1: which were stacked to the ceiling, but that effort was
Speaker 1: worth it because investigators discovered a body wrapped in black
Speaker 1: plastic beneath the barn floor. It was a man who
Speaker 1: had also been killed by a single gunshot to the
Speaker 1: back of the head. He was later identified as Wayne Warner.
Speaker 1: Near the end of their search in the investigators made
Speaker 1: one final discovery. The body of Dennis Murphy was discovered
Speaker 1: in an old well not very far from where Warner's
Speaker 1: body had been found, and he too had been killed
Speaker 1: by a single bullet to the back of the head.
Speaker 1: When questioned about Ray, the neighboring farm owner told reporters quote,
Speaker 1: he's dependable, a very hard working guy. Very surprising to
Speaker 1: me that he had time to get into mischief.
Speaker 2: The bodies were badly decomposed, and dental records were difficult
Speaker 2: to obtain for the missing men, as none of them
Speaker 2: had regular dental care. But one thing was clear. They
Speaker 2: all had been killed by the same weapon, a twenty
Speaker 2: two caliber Marlin rifle. Authorities found that bolt action rifle
Speaker 2: inside the Copeland home, and, according to reports by the
Speaker 2: Kansas City Star, ballistics testing confirmed it was the weapon
Speaker 2: used to murder the victims. On that bombshell of evidence,
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break for a word from
Speaker 2: our sponsors, and when back, we'll talk about what happened
Speaker 2: when Ray and his wife, Fay, went to trial for murder.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Criminalia. There were questions, at least initially,
Speaker 1: about how much Ray's wife knew about or was involved
Speaker 1: in the check writing slash cattle scam and the murders
Speaker 1: that took place on their land. Let's talk about where
Speaker 1: Fay was in this homicidal scene.
Speaker 2: Prosecutors were quick to offer Fay a deal. If she
Speaker 2: told investigators where more bodies might be found, they would
Speaker 2: only charge her with conspiracy to commit murder rather than
Speaker 2: first degree murder, and she would serve just a few
Speaker 2: months in jail for her cooperation. Fa though claimed to
Speaker 2: have no knowledge of any of the murders, and her
Speaker 2: defense during her trial was that her husband committed the
Speaker 2: killings without her knowledge. In court, she stated she was
Speaker 2: an innocent bystander who was the victim of battered woman
Speaker 2: syndrome now known as intimate partner violence. Ray, she said,
Speaker 2: was a brutal man and that he was both physically
Speaker 2: and verbally abusive to her and their children. She claimed
Speaker 2: she had been too terrified of her husband to question
Speaker 2: or to resist.
Speaker 1: Said Faye, quote, I begged Ray time and time again
Speaker 1: to please stay out of trouble. We had our home
Speaker 1: and everything paid for. We were on Social Security, So
Speaker 1: why would he turn around and mess all that up
Speaker 1: just like he has? Fay explained in an episode of
Speaker 1: Forensic Files, that was an American documentary television program that
Speaker 1: used evidence and interviews to help solve real crimes. That quote,
Speaker 1: we were just everyday people. I was taught from childhood
Speaker 1: on that you marry and stay with him. Husband was
Speaker 1: the boss.
Speaker 2: But there was one item recovered from the house that
Speaker 2: challenge this image Fay had projected of an unknowing spouse.
Speaker 2: A ledger containing a list of names in Fay's handwriting.
Speaker 2: Twelve of the names had large x's by them, and
Speaker 2: they matched the names of the men wanted for passing
Speaker 2: bad checks at cattle houses. Five of those names were
Speaker 2: of men who turned up dead on the farm, and
Speaker 2: prosecutors believed at least three others who were missing had
Speaker 2: also been killed by Ray Copeland. The prosecution concluded Fay
Speaker 2: had full knowledge of what was going on and was
Speaker 2: a co conspirator.
Speaker 1: Investigators also found something else that's quite alarming and truly grim.
Speaker 1: Clothing that did not belong to Ray was in the
Speaker 1: Copeland home, and Fay had made a so called trophy
Speaker 1: quilt that was sown from the clothing of the murdered men.
Speaker 2: They were tried separately. Fay, aged sixty nine, was first
Speaker 2: to stand trial on November one, nineteen ninety for the
Speaker 2: murders of deabt Nnis Murphy, Wayne Warner, Jimmy Harvey, John Freeman,
Speaker 2: and Paul Cohart. According to articles published in the Saint
Speaker 2: Louis Post Dispatch, Fay's defense was that her husband had
Speaker 2: committed the killings without her knowledge. She told the court
Speaker 2: she was a victim of battered woman syndrome. However, she
Speaker 2: could not explain away the ledger or the quilt. The
Speaker 2: jury felt she was likely abused by Ray, but also
Speaker 2: stated she was culpable and she should be held accountable
Speaker 2: for these murders. They found her guilty on all five counts,
Speaker 2: and the judge sentenced her to death by lethal injection
Speaker 2: for four of those. She received life without parole for
Speaker 2: the fifth murder. During her sentencing, Fay, it was reported, cried.
Speaker 1: The next morning, a sheriff transporting Ray to a Kansas
Speaker 1: City hospital for a mental health evaluation, asked him what
Speaker 1: he thought about the outcome of his wife's trial. The
Speaker 1: conversation went like this quote. You hear about the verdict. Ray,
Speaker 1: Now what happened? Well, they found your wife guilty and
Speaker 1: recommended execution for her. Ray. Well, those things happened to
Speaker 1: some you know, Ray responded, and Ray never asked about
Speaker 1: Fay again.
Speaker 2: Ray's trial took place the following year. Prosecutors had Ray
Speaker 2: evaluated at a Statementtal hospital more than once. They wanted
Speaker 2: him incarcerated, and they wanted to avoid his skirting prison
Speaker 2: through an insanity defense. Determined sane on March seventh, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one, seventy six year old Ray went to trial.
Speaker 2: After weeks of testimony and the cold hard facts of
Speaker 2: the ballistic test results presented by the prosecution, in court,
Speaker 2: a jury found him guilty on all five counts of
Speaker 2: first degree murder, though authorities continued to believe that number
Speaker 2: was likely as high as twelve. When he was sentenced
Speaker 2: to death by lethal injection, Ray mumbling said quote, I'm okay.
Speaker 1: Ray died two years later of natural causes at age
Speaker 1: seventy eight at the Potosi Correctional Center while awaiting execution
Speaker 1: on death row.
Speaker 2: Fay was not executed either. Her death sentence was overturned
Speaker 2: on appeal, though not her conviction. She instead served a
Speaker 2: life sentence for each murder. Fay argued for her release
Speaker 2: during the entire time she was incarcerated. Kenny Holshoff, United
Speaker 2: States representative from Missouri's ninth congressional district, stated in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine that the list of names of the men
Speaker 2: who'd been killed was without a doubt evidence Fay was
Speaker 2: more of an accomplice than she claimed she'd been. Holshoff,
Speaker 2: before he was elected to the House of Representatives, had
Speaker 2: helped prosecute the Copelands. According to a court document regarding
Speaker 2: the appeal of her conviction, Fay admitted she had often
Speaker 2: conversed with the farm hands that she she handled. Bank transactions,
Speaker 2: and later told those banks she did not know who
Speaker 2: the men were when the checks bounced.
Speaker 1: It was reported by the Columbia Daily Tribune that Fay
Speaker 1: loved to work in the prison greenhouse every day. Two
Speaker 1: weeks after her sentencing, she Gaven interviewed to Lee Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: of the Kansas City Star, and the following is excerpted
Speaker 1: from that interview. Quote. I couldn't have flowers at home.
Speaker 1: He didn't like me to be tending to anything other
Speaker 1: than him. As long as I was with him, or
Speaker 1: working the cattle or the tractor, that was okay. But flowers, no,
Speaker 1: he didn't like them, she continued. Quote. I was raised
Speaker 1: to love my husband and support him no matter what.
Speaker 1: The man is the head of the family. The Bible
Speaker 1: says it should be that way. It wouldn't do to
Speaker 1: say if Ray was mean to me or not. Yes,
Speaker 1: he did mess up my life, but that's not to
Speaker 1: say that I wasn't a good wife to him. I
Speaker 1: was never mean to him. Maybe we'd have gotten along
Speaker 1: better if I I knocked the shit out of him
Speaker 1: a few times and a little more of face. Thoughts
Speaker 1: included quote. I've often thought since maybe this was for
Speaker 1: the best. Where did I go wrong? If I went wrong,
Speaker 1: I know one place was getting married at all. But
Speaker 1: he was my life for many, many years. I didn't
Speaker 1: know nothing else. Will I get out? I may go
Speaker 1: out feet first, but I'll get out of here someday.
Speaker 2: In August two thousand and two, at the age of
Speaker 2: eighty two, they was released on medical parole and sent
Speaker 2: to Morningside Center nursing home after suffering a stroke that
Speaker 2: left her partially paralyzed and unable to speak. She died
Speaker 2: the day before New Year's Eve of two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: While neither of the pair was actually executed, Ray and Fay, respectively,
Speaker 2: hold the distinction of being the oldest couple ever sentenced
Speaker 2: to death in the United States.
Speaker 1: Though will likely never know why. According to a report
Speaker 1: in the two thousand Russian Journal of Psychiatry, most elderly
Speaker 1: murderers demonstrate a close relationship between pre snile or senile
Speaker 1: disorders and social psychological factors, and in more than half
Speaker 1: of these cases there is clear evidence of psychopathology. Another
Speaker 1: study conducted also in two thousand, but by the Medical
Speaker 1: Correctional Authority, found that most of those sent to prison
Speaker 1: for the first time at age sixty or older were
Speaker 1: there because they had committed crimes of passion, though they
Speaker 1: may not have been in the right mindset. Ray and
Speaker 1: Fake Hopeland's murders of their hired hands were not crimes
Speaker 1: of passion. They were crimes to hide well other crimes.
Speaker 1: Their son, Alviolee Copeland, speaking briefly with the Associated Press,
Speaker 1: had tried to secure his mother's release since she was imprisoned,
Speaker 1: and he was quoted saying, quote, there's no way in
Speaker 1: the world mom could have done what they said she
Speaker 1: had done. But in regards to his father, al stated quote,
Speaker 1: he was guilty. I have no qualms about that. What
Speaker 1: a story.
Speaker 2: I was alive during this story, and I have to
Speaker 2: tell you I don't remember really hearing about it.
Speaker 1: I don't either, and I don't know if it's just
Speaker 1: because this also happened when I was alive, but at
Speaker 1: a time when I was like in college and a
Speaker 1: young adult starting my life, and I may have just
Speaker 1: been not paying attention to such things.
Speaker 2: But we don't usually have stories where I'm like, I
Speaker 2: know crime stoppers are in their files because I remember
Speaker 2: these shows.
Speaker 1: Yes, are you ready to make it a double Yes?
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: This story is grizzly and it's sad. Don't worry, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna make a cocktail called trophy quilts. I'm not
Speaker 1: that grim. That's not where I'm at right now. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things that I could tell throughout this
Speaker 1: season is probably gonna happen. I'm gonna find whatever seems
Speaker 1: like the happiest note of it and try to go
Speaker 1: from there. This is a drink that's called Phase Flowers
Speaker 1: because I was really struck by this idea that she
Speaker 1: had turned to gardening in prison. I have read other
Speaker 1: stories of people who in prison find themselves really falling
Speaker 1: in love with horticulture, and I always find that fascinating.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it feels like a hopeful act to grow things.
Speaker 1: It's also like meditative. That's why I like to grow things.
Speaker 1: I'm not very good at it, but I always try so.
Speaker 1: For this drink, it did seem the most right to
Speaker 1: pick the most upbeat detail I could. And this story
Speaker 1: is also a cousin of a drink called a Gin Daisy,
Speaker 1: so there's a floral theme to it. And I shall
Speaker 1: see the ingredients follow suit. So into your shaking tin
Speaker 1: with ice, you will put a half ounce of lemon juice,
Speaker 1: a half ounce of hibiscus syrup, a half ounce of
Speaker 1: elderflower liqueur, and an ounce and a half of gin.
Speaker 1: And I encourage you to choose a very floral gin
Speaker 1: if you can. I have one that's honeysuckle in rows.
Speaker 1: But if you can't find a floral gin, you can
Speaker 1: make your own by doing a tea infusion on it.
Speaker 1: Just find an herbal tea that has flowers like cam
Speaker 1: a meal or hibiscus or something else lavender, et cetera,
Speaker 1: and just let it steep. It doesn't need to steep
Speaker 1: very long. It tends to infuse alcohol really quickly. I
Speaker 1: usually do four ounces to a tea bag or the equivalent.
Speaker 1: If you do a loose tea, let that sit for
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, give it a couple of shakes, take out
Speaker 1: the teas, or strain it. If you have them as
Speaker 1: loose leaves. Great, you have infused gin. This is also
Speaker 1: a good way to just up your cocktail game. We've
Speaker 1: done it on the show before, but I want to
Speaker 1: encourage people find those teas that you think are interesting
Speaker 1: and infuse things like particularly gin and vodka with them,
Speaker 1: because then when you make drinks for your friends at home.
Speaker 1: They think you are a fancy pants when really you're like,
Speaker 1: I just shook a jar on the counter. It's really
Speaker 1: not a big deal, but it makes a great So
Speaker 1: you will have shaken all of these ingredients together with ice,
Speaker 1: Strain it over fresh ice, top it with just a
Speaker 1: kiss of club soda or a little ginger ale if
Speaker 1: you want to make it a little sweeter, and really
Speaker 1: keep it in that sweet floral zone. This is such
Speaker 1: a lovely drink. It's an easy, classic feeling drink. Even
Speaker 1: though we're leaning heavily into flowers. I also if you
Speaker 1: do have flowers around your house that are edible, always check.
Speaker 1: I cut one of my zinias and just plopped it
Speaker 1: in there, and it looked super pretty and made it
Speaker 1: look very floral ly, very soothing. So to make it
Speaker 1: a mocktail, you are gonna do that trick that I
Speaker 1: said about infusing things with tea. You're gonna get your
Speaker 1: tonic really flat and infuse like four ounces of a
Speaker 1: tonic with floral tea. Obviously you'll have extra you can
Speaker 1: use it in something else or just drink it by
Speaker 1: itself with a syrup or whatever, and then you'll use
Speaker 1: elderflower syrup instead of liqueur, and then you're golden. You
Speaker 1: have made face flowers and hopefully you can shrug off
Speaker 1: the of some of the aspects of this.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I'm assuming I'm going to love a
Speaker 2: floral drink.
Speaker 1: We whipped over it very quickly because I was so
Speaker 1: icked out by the idea of someone running over dogs
Speaker 1: on purpose. This is clearly a person who, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: was very broken. So let's find the flowers and soothe ourselves,
Speaker 1: whether that is with your cocktail or your mocktail. I
Speaker 1: will always, I think, in a story like this, try
Speaker 1: to find something pretty about it. Not about the story,
Speaker 1: but a doorway out.
Speaker 2: That is our season.
Speaker 1: Where's the doorway? We need an escape patch. So we
Speaker 1: are so thankful that you spent this time with us
Speaker 1: talking about this and thinking about drinks that might relieve
Speaker 1: the yick of listening to such stories. We will be
Speaker 1: right back here next week with another tale of a
Speaker 1: criminal duo, or maybe a trio and a drink to
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