1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk the idea and the concept of improvisation immediately, 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: whether you're doing it or not, you're learning variations of 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: certain things, and then those variations start teaching you more 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: about the instrument and how things are laid out on 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: the instrument, how you can access, you know, the same 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: idea in three or four different ways. The same way 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: is you know, if, like I told you, I just 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: finished another interview before hopping on here with you, if 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: that person had asked me the same question, I might 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: give a similar answer, but I'm not going to be 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: exactly the same, right, But I might tell the story 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: the same way. 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast, hosted by Buzz Night. 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: Buzz speaks with musicians of all genres about their music, 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: their creative process, and their artistic freedom. On this episode 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: with Sierra Hall, a true prodigy of bluegrass and a 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: virtuoso mandolin player who's been captivating audiences since their childhood. 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: Sierra Hall's musical journey is nothing short of remarkable. From 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: her grand Old Oppry debut at ten to performing at 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: elite venues like the White House at Kennedy Center and 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 2: Carnegie Hall, Sierra has consistently pushed the boundaries of bluegrass music. 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: Here's buzz with Sierra Hall on taking a walk. 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: Sierra Hall, thanks for being on taking a walk. 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: How you doing, I'm doing excellent. I'm talking to you, 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: so I couldn't be I couldn't be any better. What 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: are some of your favorite places to take a walk 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: around Nashville. 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Oh, man, We're lucky in the neighborhood that we live, 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: just kind of east of downtown where we've got lots 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: of nice sidewalks and connecting neighborhoods, and it's really quiet out. 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: In this part of town where I live. 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm in the Hermitage area, and so you know, this 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: time of year, especially all the leaves changing and we 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: have tons of deer. So I grew up in the 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: country as a kid, and I mean lots of open 37 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: fields and woods to play in, but no sidewalks because 38 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: we didn't even have neighbors within at earshot. So so 39 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: very different kind of thing. But it's it's sort of 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: a nice hybrid of those things. I would say, where 41 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: it's nice and quiet out here where we live, but 42 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, we've got lots of friendly folks in the 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: neighborhood out and join the weather this time of year, 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: and I love it. Plus, Nashville honestly is a beautiful 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: part of you know, the world to be able to 46 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: have like greenways, because it's like you're here in the city, 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: but at least you've got like actually quite a bit 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: of you know, public walking trails and things like that 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: all throughout the city, which is really nice. 50 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: And do you use walking at a point in time 51 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: maybe where you're looking for a creative breakthrough, maybe you're 52 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: jammed up at that moment and you just got to 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: get some air and take a walk. 54 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, all the time, all the time. Yeah. Actually, 55 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: it's funny. 56 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: The last few days here in Nashville, it's just been 57 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: really gloomy and rainy, And I just got off of 58 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: another interview before talking to you, and I was out 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: on my back porch just like enjoy the weather. And 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: so I will definitely be getting a walk or a 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: run in today just because finally. 62 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: The weather's nice again. And you know, it gets. 63 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: Dark so early this time of year that that's that's 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: rough for me if I can't squeeze in time to 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: be outside for just a little bit and get like 66 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: either a walk, long walk or a jog in. You know, 67 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I start I start filling it within a few days 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: of that where I'm like, oh, I'm antsy to get 69 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: out there. 70 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 3: So I got it. Yep, so old and in the way, 71 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: the super group and the album led by Jerry Garcia 72 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: was a breakthrough moment I believe for the genre of bluegrass, 73 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: and your work, along with a host of others, is 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: part of a, in my opinion, a new breakthrough moment. 75 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: Can you highlight some of that community and who has 76 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: been along for the ride with you leading the charge? 77 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, well thanks for saying that. 78 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think because I'm you know, just 79 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: young enough that I didn't get to ever meet Bill Monroe, 80 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: for example, you know, who we call the father of 81 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: bluegrass music and the guy that kind of really started 82 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: what we think of as bluegrass and along with like 83 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: Earl Scrugs and the band Flat Scrugs and that kind 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: of those first generation bluegrassers. But you know, between Bill 85 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: Monroe and Earl Scruggs, they were like, you know, creating 86 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: and sharing, you know, popularizing this this new thing. And 87 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, the bluegrass community, which I feel so lucky 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: to have grown up as is at this point, we 89 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: think of it as this thing that's so rich in tradition, like. 90 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 4: All the songs the catalog. 91 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: Also, like you know, we think of that sort of 92 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: first generation music as it's kind of sacred to us 93 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of ways where you know, everybody wants 94 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: to honor that as much as possible. But when you 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: think about, you know, Bill Monroe himself, has there even 96 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: been anybody you know with the mandolin in their hands 97 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: that's been as much of an innovator as that, you know, 98 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: and in the beginning of that, So like when I 99 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: think of the people, whether it's you know, David Grisman 100 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned Olden in the way, whether it's Sam Bush, 101 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: whether it's Chris theeelely other you know, people that have 102 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: come way before me, that have already been making you know, 103 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: their own waves by using the instrument in a lot 104 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: of different, cool, unique ways. Of course, people of my generation, 105 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: I think, would come to the music into the. 106 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 4: Mandolin with. 107 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: Sort of like the green light to kind of just 108 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: explore and do whatever we want to do with it, 109 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, because we've already seen so many examples of 110 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: our heroes who have done that, you know, and not 111 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: just with the mandolin. I mean, I've worked a lot 112 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: with Babil Fleck over the last few years. I can't 113 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: think of anybody, you know, maybe besides Earl Scroggs himself 114 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: that's you know, found new creative things to do on 115 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: the instrument. So you know, we've we've been talking about, 116 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: say the banjo, and there's always you know, those pioneers 117 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: that kind of come before us, that. 118 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: Lead the way in those ways. 119 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: And then I think as someone who feels inspired by that, 120 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, just trying to figure out what that means 121 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: to me personally in ways that I can, you know, 122 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: take the instrument and the music I love and be 123 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: inspired by that to just feel not that I need 124 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: to change something or feel the pressure to create something 125 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: new and exciting, but just to kind of go, what 126 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: do I want to sound like? If I'm not worried 127 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: about having to fit into a box, you know, as 128 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: much as I love and am grateful to have strong 129 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: roots in a form of music that really honors the 130 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: tradition of the music. 131 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: If that makes. 132 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: Sense, It totally does. Who would be your bluegrass super 133 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: group if you ever formed one? Who would be with 134 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: you along for that? 135 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, does it have to be living members. 136 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: Not necessarily, but dream as much as you want with it, living. 137 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: Or death. 138 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 4: Oh, it would be really hard. 139 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: That's such a hard, you know, hard thing to say, 140 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: because I probably wouldn't even be in it. I just 141 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: put my own heroes in there, you know, figuring out 142 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: the super gros. I mean, you know, it's like one 143 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: of the first people that comes to mind. 144 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: You know. 145 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could just say every instrument, 146 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: because I could, I could create ten different supergroups I'd 147 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: be excited to play in. 148 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: You know. 149 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: But you know, somebody like Tony Rice was one of 150 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: my biggest heroes as a youngster. I think one of 151 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: the first, you know, bluegrass artists that that really came 152 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: on to my radar when I was a young I'm 153 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: trying to think I might have even heard the album 154 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Church Street Blues before I actually played the mandolin, but 155 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: it was it was somewhere around that time when I 156 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: was first starting to get into music. My dad brought 157 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: home the cassette tape of Tony Rice's Church Street Blues 158 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: and that's just him with a guitar and singing on 159 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the record, so not even like a bluegrass record per se, 160 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: But I just fell. 161 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: In love with it. 162 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: So Tony's always at the top of that supergroup hero 163 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: club for me. You know, Alison Krass has been one 164 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: of my biggest heroes, so probably have to put her 165 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: in there. Of course they've done some touring together anyway, 166 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: and I know Tony was one of. 167 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 4: Her biggest heroes. 168 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be impossible, it'd be impossible for me to choose. 169 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: Well, that's why I asked it. 170 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: But those two come to mind just as being like 171 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: two of my biggest heroes as a youngster. 172 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: You know, we'll come back to some of that. Well, 173 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: congrats on the amazing rendition of a black Muddy River, 174 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: which you know, I know you've done that for for 175 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: a long time in as part of your set. How 176 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: did you first discover that? 177 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: Though I really came to the music of the Grateful 178 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: Dead a little bit later than one might imagine. Like 179 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: I knew about Olden in the way you mentioned that, 180 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: and Jerry Garcia had been being part of that band, 181 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: but to me, I knew way less about him than 182 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: I knew about. 183 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: David Chrisman, you know what I mean. 184 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: Or Mass or Clemens or you know some of the 185 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: other just people in that circle that timeframe, I knew 186 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: that you know, the Pizza tapes, you know that Tony 187 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: Rice was part of, And that's kind of how I 188 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: first heard the name Jerry Garcia. But people would say 189 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: talk about The Grateful Dad obviously, like you hear you 190 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: hear that band name like your whole life, just because 191 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: it gets mentioned. 192 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 4: And now as somebody that knows their music more. 193 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just in a store in Nashville 194 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, shopping for an event, looking 195 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: for an outfit, and all of a sudden, you know, 196 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: they come on the radio. So it's like, you know, 197 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: it's like all the things that it's probably always been around. 198 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: But I didn't really know the music of The Grateful 199 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: Bed in the same way that like, you know, super 200 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: fans would for sure or wouldn't have recognized it as such. 201 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: But then it was maybe like eight years ago, eight 202 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: or nine years ago I got to do a thing 203 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: with the Everyone Orchestra, which is are you familiar. 204 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: With that project? 205 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: I am not. 206 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 4: So is this guy Matt who. 207 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Runs this show and he essentially serves as like a conductor, 208 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: like he'll put on a hat and like this, you know, 209 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: kind of fun outfit and he'll have like a whiteboard 210 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: and it's a fully improvised show where the audience participates 211 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: in the musicians on stage. He always gets different people 212 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: from different bands, and sometimes it might just be a 213 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: special set at a festival, pulling people from different bands 214 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: that are playing, and he'll just like write a key, 215 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: a musical key on the fret board like e and 216 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: he might just point at one band member and that 217 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: band member just starts riffing on something, and then he'll 218 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: conduct somebody else to be like, now you start playing 219 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: with this person. Or it might just be like slow 220 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: tempo or waltz or just like some kind of very 221 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: vague instruction, and then he might write like a couple 222 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: lyrics on the whiteboard and the audience starts singing the lyrics. 223 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 4: It's like, it's cool. 224 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: It's a really fun participatory kind of thing. So I 225 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: did this set with these guys, and I was looking 226 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: forward to doing that because I thought, well, this will 227 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: be fun, you know, to get to be. 228 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 4: Part of the show. And they said okay. 229 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: So for set two or it was like maybe a 230 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: second night, I can't even remember now, they're like, we 231 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: wanted we're going to do a Grateful Dead tribute set 232 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: and do some of them, and they said, will you 233 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: sing a couple like two or three songs? 234 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: Pick out a few songs to sing, So I thought, Okay, 235 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: I mean I'm gonna be on the show. I'll dig in. 236 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: And honestly, I had never really done like a real 237 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: deep dive, you know. Again, you hear the music of 238 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: the Grateful Dead by other people covering the songs, little 239 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: pieces that I was familiar with but didn't really know 240 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: their music too much. And then I started listening to 241 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: some of the records kind of thinking about what I 242 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: might sing on this show. And I mean I came 243 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: into it being like I could sing anything. 244 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: I don't know if it'll. 245 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: Be a deep cut or a popular track, because I 246 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: almost didn't know. 247 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 4: The difference, you know. 248 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: I just like I was coming to it rand new 249 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: and in some ways like maybe knew a song or two, 250 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: but not that much, to be honest, And I stumbled 251 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: upon Black Muddy River, which now you know, everybody's like, oh, 252 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: that's more of a deep cut or whatever, but it 253 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: was one of the first, like the studio. 254 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 4: Recording that I heard. I just I just really liked the. 255 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: Song, and I could imagine myself wanting to sing that, 256 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: so it was one of the few songs that I 257 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: picked out to sing that. 258 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: It's wonderful, it really is, Which brings me to the 259 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: topic of improvisation, which you are amazing at. And it's 260 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: such a you know, a gift, and I want to 261 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: ask you where it sort of comes from. I was 262 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: watching you recently a performance you did. I think it 263 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 3: was Annapolis, possibly at a festival where there was a 264 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: problem with some equipment that was being fixed, and then 265 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 3: you and the band just took off and improvised to 266 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: kill time. It was so fascinating, it really was. It 267 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: was it was mesmerizing. Actually, Lord, do what you want 268 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: to do, right, right? So where did you get this 269 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 3: incredible gift of improvisation? 270 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 4: Well, thank you for saying that. 271 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's one of the great things about growing 272 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: up in the bluegrass world. You know, I mentioned earlier 273 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: that there is just this deep love of the tradition 274 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: and the songs and catalog that kind of come with that. 275 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: And certainly there's you know, a set way people do 276 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: certain things, but honestly, there's this real spirit of improvisation 277 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: and it's if you're ever going to really become great 278 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: at playing bluegrass. That's part of the skill set that 279 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: you learn and you work on, and you know, so 280 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: much of it is built upon what we call fiddle tunes. 281 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: So like the instrumental tunes that when I was a kid, 282 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: I started learning on my instrument right away growing up 283 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: in this world, you know, it's like that was a 284 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: big part of the catalog I was learning, the same 285 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: way a classical musician might start to learn back pieces. 286 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 4: You know, it's the same. 287 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: Kind of thing where you're learning, you know, all these 288 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: different what we call fiddle tunes, whether they're played on 289 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: the mandolin or guitar or whatever. Just that's kind of 290 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: the slang term fiddle tune. And I was learning, you know, 291 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: all these tunes that if somebody else that grew up 292 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: on the other side of the country that grew up 293 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: playing bluegrass, they're probably learning the same tunes. 294 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: They're just the tunes. When you go to. 295 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Jam session and you sit in a circle, somebody might 296 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: call a tune like salt Creek, you know, and you go, sure, 297 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: I learned salt Creek, let's play it. You know, now 298 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: you might play it slightly different than how this person 299 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: plays it. It's going to be close, but there's going 300 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: to be depending on who you learned it from or 301 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: what version you learned. It's different in that, like you know, 302 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: a Bach partita is written out, and as a classical musician, 303 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: you might, you know, grow up learning to play these 304 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: pieces and you're reading them as they're written. 305 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 4: Note for No, bluegrass isn't so much like that. 306 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: It's like there's, you know, a core melody and a 307 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: core recognizable thing, but you might play a slightly different 308 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: tag ending than somebody else does. And then once you 309 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: learn your version, you might learn somebody else's version or 310 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: play it with somebody else that they add it, They 311 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: add a little spin to it, just in the most 312 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: subtle ways. So you start kind of almost learning the 313 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: idea and the concept of improvisation immediately, whether you're doing 314 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: it or not. You're learning variations of certain things, and 315 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: then those variations start teaching you more about the instrument 316 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: and how things are laid out on the instrument, how 317 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: you can access, you know, the same idea in three 318 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: or four different ways. The same way is, you know, 319 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: if like I told you, I just finished another interview 320 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: before hopping on here with you, if that person had 321 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: asked me the same question, I might give a similar answer, 322 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to like be exactly the same, right, 323 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: but I might tell the story the same way. And 324 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: it's very much like speaking in that way that you 325 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: just start to understand how to like tell a similar story, 326 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: even in these subtle ways. And so bluegrass it's kind 327 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: of just ingrained. 328 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: You start to. 329 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: Learn how to speak the language of the music using 330 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: your instrument, mostly over the same kind of harmonic structures 331 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: again and again, you know, mostly simple kind of folk 332 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: song for melodies, you know, you know, three four chords 333 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: that not anything crazy outside the box in terms of harmony, 334 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: but there is a certain kind of approach and a 335 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: language that you can tell the difference if you. 336 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 4: Grew up really in it and studying that music or not, 337 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 4: you know. And so. 338 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: I think it was a couple of years into playing 339 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: that I remember, you know, starting to try to attempt 340 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: to improvise for the first time. And that was because 341 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: I think I was at a jam and somebody played 342 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: a song I didn't know, and they said take a solo, 343 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm like, oh, what do you do? 344 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: You know, but you just kind of jump off the 345 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: deep end and try to take the knowledge of the 346 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: these tunes and songs and things that you've already been 347 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: learning and you know, trying to relate them. 348 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: To the unknown of the thing you've not heard before, 349 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 4: If that makes sense. 350 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: Yes, So it's. 351 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: Cultivated at a young age, and I was really lucky 352 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: to have that kind of built into my early years 353 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: of you know, thinking, this is. 354 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: Just part of it, This is just part of how 355 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 4: you learn the. 356 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: Music, and being in a safe place where you're sitting 357 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: in a circle and nobody cares if you're going to 358 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: mess up a little bit, you know. And maybe I 359 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: had the gift of being young on my side too, 360 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: whereas like it'd be harder to be that vulnerable as 361 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: an adult because you feel like, well, I don't want 362 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: somebody I don't want to, you know, sound bad and 363 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: have to put all these other musicians through having to 364 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: hear me. So like that, you know, if I was 365 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would go running up to 366 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: a gem with a saxophone since I've never played you 367 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: know what. 368 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: I mean at this point in my life. 369 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: So I do think the gift of being young helps 370 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: that too, where everybody's like, oh, look, that little girl 371 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: trying to play this tune. It was it was it 372 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: was safe and encouraged, which is awesome. But I think, 373 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, most people in the music community support each 374 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: other in that way, regardless of age, and it's a 375 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: very beautiful circle to kind of grow up in. 376 00:18:54,119 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 3: So you're really bending genres. How well is the traditional 377 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: bluegrass world, the fans, the labels, the festivals going along 378 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: for the ride. Have there been both challenges and rewards 379 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: from bending genres like you are. 380 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: I think there's always going to be noise, if that 381 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: makes sense, good noise and bad noise, so to speak. 382 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: And I think that you kind of can't get too 383 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: wrapped up in it one way or another, you know, 384 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: because I think for me, I you know, I kind 385 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: of I know, I keep going back to this idea 386 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: of being rooted in a community, but I do think 387 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: another blessing of being so, you know, such a part 388 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: of a community in terms of genre, and I know, 389 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: bluegrass can mean a lot of different things, you know, 390 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to. There's a really wide 391 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: umbrella for what we think of as bluegrass these days. 392 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: I certainly don't consider the music that I'm making now 393 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: to be traditional bluegrass in any you know way. I 394 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that even just because of the instrumentation with 395 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: having drums and no banjo and that kind of thing. 396 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: But it's inevitably the biggest musical part of where I 397 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: come from, So it's always going to be present in 398 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. There's no escaping that. It's like a 399 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: part of my musical core in a way that nothing 400 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: else could be. And I think because I'm so rooted 401 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: in that, and I've was lucky to get a start 402 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: at a young age with the bluegrass community, I've been 403 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: really blessed that I feel like the bluegrass community at 404 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: large has mostly hung with me, you know, and they've 405 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: I've felt supported still and welcomed by, you know, the 406 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: community I grew up in, without ever feeling like, well 407 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: now they're like, you know, you don't belong here or 408 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: something like that. 409 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 4: I know people that have. 410 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: Felt that way before, but I feel like I've been 411 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: really lucky to still have that. Maybe it's because those 412 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: people know how much the music really means to me, 413 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: and that I still love it and honor it even 414 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: if I choose to kind of jump into some different 415 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: waters at the same time, there's always this like love 416 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: and respect. 417 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: That I still have for it all. 418 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: So I don't feel like I've had any kind of 419 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: real wild pushback. If anything, I feel like it's mostly 420 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: been positive because I've been able to, you know, go 421 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: into these other areas and not only play some different 422 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: styles of music, but also introduce those people to the 423 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: music I love. You know, I'm being introduced to something 424 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: new and they're also being introduced to something new. And 425 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: if anything I could do would in turn make somebody 426 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: want to go back and check out the more you know, 427 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: traditional bluegrass catalog, then I love that. 428 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: I think that's great. 429 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: That just means more people who can come and appreciate 430 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: the thing that I love in my core so much. 431 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 432 00:21:53,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 433 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 3: Since you're always pushing boundaries, is there a genre that 434 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 3: you're like curious about because you're so curious as well, 435 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: that you might tackle. 436 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 4: I don't know that. 437 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: I could just like right off the bat be like, oh, 438 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: I just really want to do this particular thing. 439 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 4: It's really funny. 440 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: I feel like most of the things I've wound up 441 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: doing have not necessarily been because I'm like, well, suddenly 442 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: I want to go do this different thing. It's almost 443 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: been just because my path has led me there, or 444 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: I've gotten a phone call I didn't expect or have something, 445 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, an artist reach out to want to collaborate 446 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't have even thought new I existed, you 447 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I think sometimes you get 448 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: introduced to things by chance, and a lot of it 449 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: has been that for me, you know, But certainly, I mean. 450 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so musically open. 451 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: It's like if it's good music or somebody that's doing 452 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: something you know, exciting and genuine that wants to collaborate, 453 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm I'm always excited by a new challenge 454 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: or getting to do something different. 455 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 3: How do you keep so level headed with the touring 456 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 3: and studio work that you do? 457 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, well, it's nice of you to say that. 458 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: It's it's tricky sometimes more more in terms of just 459 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: like you know, trying to stay balanced in reality and 460 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: not let your emotions get the best of you sometimes 461 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: because it's tricky to do the thing that you love 462 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: so much as your job, you know, And there's so 463 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: much that as an artist you have to like pour 464 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: your emotions into and just because you might feel one 465 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: way on one day doesn't necessarily mean that that's in 466 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: reality of like that things are suddenly different than they 467 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: were yesterday, good or bad. Like an opportunity can come 468 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: that can just make you feel like on top of 469 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: the world and you're like, wow, I can't believe. 470 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 4: I get to do this, And then you'll find things. 471 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: That are like terribly disappointing in being in this business too, 472 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: where something doesn't go the way you want or you 473 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: know whatever. It might be a day where you're just like, 474 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: maybe you have a day in the studio that you 475 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: leave feeling like, man, we did something amazing, or you 476 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: might leave feeling like, oh, I just couldn't get it 477 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: together today, like my hands or voice aren't working the 478 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: way I want them to, or you know, we're human, 479 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: so the struggle is still very real the way just 480 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: it is in life. 481 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 4: I guess of. 482 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: Riding that wave of emotions and kind of you know, 483 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: the older I get, the more I try to go, 484 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, remind myself that, okay, is anything very different 485 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: today than it was yesterday, you know, and you know 486 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 1: tomorrow's a new day, good or bad. So so like 487 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: it makes me feel like the highs. 488 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 4: Are not light is high. 489 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: Like when the most epic opportunity I get called to 490 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: do something that I would be really excited about, I'm 491 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: still excited, but I find myself being like, Wow, that's 492 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: really awesome. I'm thrilled that came in, you know. But 493 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: also when like something very disappointing happens, I find myself 494 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: more so being like, well that sucks, but you know, 495 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: keep on swimming, girl, because this is just the business. 496 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 3: You're in, you know what I mean. 497 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: So, so the highs aren't quite as high and the 498 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: lows aren't quite as low, and you know, I don't 499 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: think it means that I care less than. 500 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 4: I used to. 501 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: I just think it means that I'm I'm sort of 502 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: able to separate the emotions a little bit better in 503 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: it to just stay more level headed than I used 504 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: to be, you know, used to be. You have a 505 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: gig that felt bad and it's like, you know, can 506 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: just tear you up, and you'll beat yourself up about it. 507 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm my own worst critic, you know. Or 508 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: you have something that's just really exciting you're just like 509 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: floating for. 510 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 4: You know, days or whatever. 511 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: So I think that the balance now in my you know, 512 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: adulthood is a little easier to maintain. 513 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: So you're going to be guesting some dates with the 514 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 3: Almond Betts Band. How do you prepare for something like 515 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 3: that this time around? 516 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 4: I have no idea. I don't know what we're doing. 517 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what songs I'm gonna play with them. 518 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting some things you really have an opportunity to 519 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: prepare for, and then some things they're very you know, 520 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: thank God for the skill sets of improvisation, and it 521 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 1: kind of you know, a lot of the collaborations I do, 522 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: whether it's jumping on stage with somebody at a festival 523 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: last minute or whatever. You kind of learn to be 524 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: able to quickly learn things or prep for things in 525 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: a little bit smaller windows of time the more you 526 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: do it, you know. So, yeah, something like this, I 527 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I've been I got a new electric mandolin 528 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: I've been having some fun with. 529 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 4: So I've just been kind of. 530 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: Getting my little board together just in case, revamping a 531 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: couple of things there. That's about the most prep I've 532 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: done so far, which has nothing to do with the 533 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: music yet, but just you know, thinking ahead on some 534 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: of those things about Okay, how am I going to 535 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: get both instruments and you know fly with a B 536 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: and C and that kind of pre planning more than 537 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: the music itself. But I got to do a few 538 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: shows with those guys last year, so we already have 539 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: a few things, you know, in the catalog now we 540 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: can pull from. So I'm sure some of that will 541 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: happen again and make it a little easier even this 542 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: time around. 543 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 3: So I want to mention some other collaborators that you've 544 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: worked with and just get your you know, brief reaction 545 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: to the work you did with them. First of all, 546 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 3: Billy Strings. 547 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Billy's a dear friend actually, just well I've known 548 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: Billy for gosh, like long before anybody knew who he was, 549 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: and that it's been so awesome to kind of just 550 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: watch his you know, star just rise the way it has, 551 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: and you know how many people have come to discover 552 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: other artists through him too, you know, talking about that 553 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: kind of thing, which is really cool. And so anytime 554 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: we get to do something together, it's like, you know, again, 555 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: something that I've got to do for many years now, 556 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: kind of on and off with him and just did 557 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: his Halloween show a couple weeks ago now, and then 558 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: this month headed out to Austin to tape a Austin 559 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: City Limits special fiftieth anniversary thing with him here in another. 560 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 4: Couple of weeks. 561 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: So I feel like our paths get to cross quite 562 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: often these days, which is really fun. 563 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: And then of course you mentioned her earlier, and she's been, 564 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 3: you know, so instrumental in your career, Alison Krause. 565 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Allison's always She's always going to be 566 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: my biggest hero. There's just I'd be lying if I 567 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: didn't say that. I think, like as a kid, I 568 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: mean I dreamed about playing with her. I drew pictures 569 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: of myself on stage with her before I met her. 570 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: You know, I heard her music and it kind of 571 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: just it it hit something in me that like I 572 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: don't think had I had experienced yet as a young musician. 573 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe part of that too, is because as 574 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: a young female musician, I didn't have, you know, as 575 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: like all the I would say, ninety eight percent of 576 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: the music I was listening to was men were making, 577 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: and you know, there was nothing wrong with that. 578 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 4: They were great. 579 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: I was just lucky to even be welcomed in the 580 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: jam sessions. I always felt like I belonged somehow. Nobody 581 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: ever made me feel like, well, you're young, or you're 582 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: female or whatever, and that makes you different. It's like 583 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: they knew I loved it and cared about it. But 584 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: like hearing Alison when I was like nine years old, 585 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: and the record I heard of hers was not a 586 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: bluegrass record actually it was called Forget About. It was 587 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: the first thing I heard, which if you've not heard 588 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: that record, you should check it out. 589 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 4: It's I still love. 590 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: It, but but just the level of things, the production, 591 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: the love, like the quality in which she brings to 592 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: her performance, and you know, and recordings just kind of 593 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: blew me away. So you know, I will forever be 594 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: grateful that I got to meet her at such a 595 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: young age and the opportunities that she gave me. 596 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 4: You know, if I. 597 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: Had never met her to this day, I would still, 598 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, be saying the same thing that she's she's 599 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: one of my all time favorites. But now knowing her 600 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: and the way I do, and and you know, having 601 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: been able to spend the time and learn from her 602 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: the way I have, it's just you know, there's you 603 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: never get over that. 604 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 4: You know, your childhood heroes, they're always going to mean 605 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 4: that to you. I think, did. 606 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 3: You share the pictures that you drew ever with her? 607 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: When yeah, she's got one of them. 608 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: How awesome is that? My god? 609 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well, you know, it's pretty wild. Still one 610 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: of the great blessings of my life to have gotten 611 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: to know, you know, my big hero that way. 612 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: I want to highlight some other work of yours, recent work. 613 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: First of all, a tremendous version of Tears for Fears 614 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: Mad World. That is brilliant. 615 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 4: Thank you. It's just it's such a great song. 616 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: I just I've really always loved that song since I, 617 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, first, I don't even know when I first 618 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: heard it, but when I sort of got reintroduced to it, 619 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: maybe ten years ago or something like that, I you know, 620 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: certainly found myself like couldn't get the melody out of 621 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: my head and just felt like it lent itself, the 622 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: melody lent itself to the mandolin, and after a while 623 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I can't get the song out of 624 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: my head. I got to learn it, and then it 625 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: kind of became, especially in recent years, one of the 626 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: most requested, like. 627 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 4: Covers that that I would play live. 628 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: So it finally felt like, Okay, people had been asking 629 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: for a long time, what are you going to record that? 630 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 4: What album is that on? You know, we need your 631 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 4: version of mad World. 632 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: So I have just loved of the guys I'm touring 633 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: with right now and kind of felt like a good 634 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to go in and record that and Black Muddy River, 635 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: to share that with people and tell. 636 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: Me about the First Snowfall. 637 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so the First Snowfall actually, so we just released that, 638 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: but it's actually going to be one of two tracks 639 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: that were releasing. We have another track coming out early 640 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: next month. We knew we wanted to release some kind 641 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: of holiday track, and at the time we were just 642 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: thinking about one, and I guess I can go ahead 643 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: and say the next track is going to be Country Christmas, 644 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: which is a Laretta Lynn cover that is just really 645 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: fun and I have always been a Loretta fan and 646 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: thought that would be a fun one to do with 647 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: the band. But then as I was kind of thinking about, well, 648 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: I'd kind of like to record that, but what else 649 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: should I do? And I was just listening to a 650 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff and I came upon bing Crosby's version 651 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: of the First Snowfall. And this isn't a song I 652 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: had ever heard before, but I just was like, man, 653 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: what a gorgeous song. Now. 654 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 4: His version of the song is. 655 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: Very different than what I ended up doing with it. 656 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: I kind of flipped it a little bit just to 657 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: be something that I thought would work well with my 658 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: band and sort of fit with the mandolin and all 659 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: those kind of things. His is almost like this very slow, 660 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, orchestral vocal forward version. 661 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: Check it out if you have it. 662 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: But I loved the melody and I loved like when 663 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: I was a kid, I mean that feeling of when 664 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: especially being here in Tennessee. 665 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 4: I mean, if it just flurries, the kids get out 666 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 4: of school. 667 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: So so snowfall was just an exciting thing as a 668 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: young kid to start to see happening. And then when 669 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: we would eventually get enough that you could go out 670 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: and break out the sled, my dad would even we 671 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: lived in the country and had a big field by 672 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: our house, so my dad would hook the he would 673 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: hook the sled up to the four wheeler and pull 674 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: my brother and I around the field in it, you know, 675 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: And just those memories of being out there, you know, 676 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: tempting to build a snowman, or being pulled on the 677 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: four wheeler by my dad with my brother, and yeah, 678 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: those are just really beautiful family memories. So that song 679 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: just like I could picture it, you know, the storyline. 680 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 4: It just felt so you know, imaginative in that way. 681 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 3: I see that tremendous acoustic guitar behind you there. Oh yeah, 682 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 3: and I've heard you play some pretty shocking, incredible acoustic guitar. 683 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 3: Could you ever envision doing a project specifically, you know, 684 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 3: just just guitar? Yeah? 685 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 4: Maybe. 686 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: So. 687 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean I've been so slow to make albums, to 688 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: be honest. The fact that we're like rolling out music 689 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: and actually I have a new record coming in the 690 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: early part of the first quarter of next year. So 691 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: this season of actually like putting out music and being 692 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: more in the studio to put some things out is 693 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: really exciting for me. And so I'm about to master 694 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: the new record in just a few days, so we're 695 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: almost done with that, which is really exciting. But yeah, 696 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: like I think that starts getting my wheels turning about 697 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: what the next thing is. 698 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 4: You know. 699 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: So I've always loved the guitar. I mean, you know, 700 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: I mentioned Tony Rice earlier as being one of my 701 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: first early influences. So like myself and anyone else who 702 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: picks up the instrument, you know, I've sat down and 703 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: learned my fair share of Tony Rice solose over the years, 704 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: and as a songwriter, I've always loved the context of 705 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: using the instrument that I've played guitar on. I guess 706 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: every record I've made so far, I've played some guitar 707 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: for sure, but yeah, it's not something that I've gotten 708 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: the works, but you know, it's definitely crossed my mind 709 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: to time or two. 710 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 3: So in closing when we're hopefully speaking again in the 711 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 3: future and knowing how important for you continuous learning is 712 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 3: if when that happens, hopefully, what will you have learned 713 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 3: from now to that point that you're still you know, 714 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: passionately craving well. 715 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: I think that's the beauty of it, right, Like there's 716 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: there's almost no way to know what I will have 717 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: learned by then, and I think that mystery is part 718 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: of the excitement, is like nobody really knows what's around 719 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: the corner, good, bad or otherwise, you know, and part 720 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 1: of it is the journey and the excitement of knowing 721 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: there's an endless amount of things to discover. It's part 722 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: of the thing that I think keeps me intrigued and 723 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: excited by getting to do this as my life's work 724 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: is that every stage I stand on is different. 725 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 4: Every audience I get to play too is different. 726 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: Every collaboration, shoot, every every moment of playing a song. 727 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: Even with my band on tour, there is a lot 728 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: of that improvisation and from night to night, like anything 729 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: can happen, and there's some nights where that might be 730 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: you might have a tricky moment, and then other nights 731 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,959 Speaker 1: that it'll be a really magical thing that we all 732 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: walk away feeling like we learned something from whatever happened 733 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: on the stage. And I mean, I know there's gonna 734 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: be other music that's released between now in the next 735 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: five to ten years that's gonna also inspire me to 736 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: do something different with my own music, even as just 737 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: a music lover. The things that you learn from listening 738 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: to all the great things other people are doing. So yeah, 739 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: I have no idea, and I guess that's the exciting 740 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: part of it is that you know, hopefully I will 741 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 1: continue to learn a lot and be given the opportunity 742 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: to continue to be in positions with you know, great musicians. 743 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: You know they always say, surround yourself by people who 744 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: know more than you do. And boy, I've been lucky 745 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: to be in a lot of rooms like that throughout 746 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: my whole career, so hopefully that'll continue to be the case. 747 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for the music. Thank you for the 748 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: time and sharing your story. I'm so grateful that you 749 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 3: took the time to be on Taking a Walks here. 750 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 4: Thank you, Buzz, thanks for having me. 751 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 752 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 753 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 754 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 755 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: and wherever you get your podcasts.