1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Jamie Feeding, this tiny diminutive woman goes missing. It doesn't 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: take long before police discover a man with a double life. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: Can you imagine this guy allegedly living a double life 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: was to take you out for a ride. You go out, 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: you're driving through a beautiful desert area. You get out, 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: and suddenly you end up tied up to a post 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: or a tree. The last thing you see as the 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: man you love and thought loved you. Where is Jamie Feeding? 9 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the Chenney Love and Breaking 10 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: News Desk, I'm Jennifer's mock and before we go here 11 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: this morning, I want to put up a picture again 12 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: of a woman who has been missing for two months 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: in police hope that you have some information about her. 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Her name is Jamie Feedin. She's thirty three years old. 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: She is from Bethel Park and the last time anybody 16 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: saw her was September fifteenth, so two months ago. She's 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: thirty three years old again, and she weighs seventy five 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: pounds and she is four one. Where is Jamie Feedin? 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: This tiny diminutive woman goes missing? You're just hearing our 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: friends at wp XI Channel eleven. That was Jennifer Trenezec. 21 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. It doesn't take 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: long before police discover a man with a double life. 23 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: Listen well, I got off the phone with Chapman's wife 24 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: a short time ago, and they are really three big takeaways. First, 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: Maureen Chapman says her husband called her this morning and 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: confessed to murder. She says she's just learning her husband 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: with living a double life, pretending to visit family and 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: lying about his job. And Lastly, Chapman says her husband 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: drove her truck to Vegas and the Nevada Desert, where 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: he confessed to murdering Feedin. Chapman has only been charged 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: with kidnapping at this point. He said he had murdered 32 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: a woman. A frantic six am phone call woke up 33 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Maureen Chapman. Her husband was calling from the Bethel Park 34 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: Police Department. His words, I killed her because I had to. 35 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: This is Jamie Feeden, the woman, police say John Chapman 36 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: admitted to murdering. Police say he drove her to Nevada, 37 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: tied Feedin up to a post with zip ties, covered 38 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: her mouth with duct tape, and let her suffocate. Nevada 39 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: officials are now working to identify a body they found 40 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: that matches Feeden's description. Our friend said eleven News wp XR, 41 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: that was Amy Hudak. I think a big giveaway. A 42 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: tip to the wife who says she had no idea 43 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: what was going on. On his Facebook page, he refers 44 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: to her or his wife as quote sis under a 45 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: profile picture. What SIS are you kidding me? That would 46 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: be big, big giveaway, Jamie Feden the victim in this case, 47 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: as I said, a tiny, diminutive woman. Can you imagine 48 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: this guy allegedly living a double life, wants to take 49 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: you out for a ride. You go out, you're driving 50 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: through a beautiful desert area. You get out, and suddenly 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: you end up tied up to a post or a tree, 52 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: and then tape is placed over your mouth and nose 53 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: and you die that way. The last thing you see 54 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: as the man you love and thought loved you. With 55 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: me and All Star panel, renowned California prosecutor Wendy Patrick, 56 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com, 57 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: host of America talks on NEWSMAXTV. Former NYPD John Cardillo, 58 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany 59 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: Marshall dot com, the medical Examiner for the State of Florida, 60 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher. But right now, to crime online dot 61 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave Matt, let's just start at the 62 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: beginning of this timeline and dissect this as you would 63 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: if you were preparing your case for trial. When did 64 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Jamie feed In go missing? Maskie? The last time Jamie 65 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: was seen was September the fifteenth, and that was when 66 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: she was lured out of town by Chapman. Chapman and 67 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: feeding had a long relationship that goes back to high 68 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: school or community college. It was referred to as an 69 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: on again, off again relationship between the two, but it 70 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: was certainly one sided on the side of Jamie Feeden 71 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: because we know that Chapman has been married at least 72 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: two times, the first time for seven years and was 73 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: married in the last twelve months to a lady named 74 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: Maureen wa. Wait, sorry did interrupt you, Dave. But Bethany Marshall, WHOA. 75 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: I know you have to deal with a lot of 76 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: problems like how much do my boots cost on rodeo 77 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: drive with all of your clients, and my house isn't 78 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: as big as my next door neighbors in pool is 79 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: not in the right shape, blah blah blah. But Bethany, 80 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: in the real world, I got a real problem with 81 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: this guy. John Chapman, allegedly living a double life. Now 82 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter tells me 83 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: Feeden Jamie was in love with him, But when you 84 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: look at his bio on Facebook, he says, I'm a 85 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: thirty nine year old single guy from Pennsylvania. I've lived 86 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: here most of my life. I'm always trying to meet 87 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: new and interesting people. Translation, I want to get laid. 88 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: That's what that means on Facebook. Okay, that's a technical 89 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: legal term, Bethany. I'm not sure you're familiar with it. 90 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: But then it goes on now wait for it, wait 91 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: for it. Any relationship to his wife, Maureene is further 92 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 1: obscured when he comments under his wife's picture looking good 93 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: sis help me, Bethany. Well, actually, this is kind of 94 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: a classic pattern of an antisocial personality of the disorder. 95 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: They often lead a double life. They have multiple sexual partners, 96 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: a great deal of promiscuity. They relate to women as 97 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: sexual objects, always trying to conquer them and what they 98 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: do with the primary love object, the wife at home 99 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: is that they will desexualize the wife while being overly 100 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: sexualized with other women in society. I see this actually 101 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: in couples therapy with men like this, where they actually 102 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: kind of call the wife dudes, this a poker in 103 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: the ribs, treat her like she's a little sister. All 104 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: the while they're having a double life and affairs all 105 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: over the place. But the other part is that that 106 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: Chapman's wife could probably see. But why do they do that? 107 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: Why do people desexualize the marriage partner because they want 108 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: control over the marriage partner and they only want to 109 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: have sex with people who do not see them for 110 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: who they really are. You know, the people in your 111 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: primary circle know that you have feet of clay, right. 112 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: They may know that you bounce to check, or that 113 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: maybe you've got a traffic violation, or maybe you're not 114 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: so nice, or maybe your breath smells in the morning. 115 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: That's not sexy to them. They're going to desexualize those partners. 116 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: There's a very famous case in my field written up 117 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: by a man named John Mulloy who read mulloy, excuse me, 118 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: who talks about a case where a man goes out, 119 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: he makes his wife dress up as a little girl 120 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: like a doll, makes her lie down in the bathroom, 121 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: goes out, has sex with other women, comes home, and 122 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: defecates on her. Now, this is a classic case in 123 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: my field. We talk about it in classes because this 124 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: perpetrator was over sexualizing every woman in the world, and 125 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: then he was turning his wife into a little girl, 126 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: an object in which he just defecates on and she 127 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: has no value at all. So this is a classic, 128 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: classic pattern. Okay, can I just apologize right now to 129 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: the listeners for what doctor Bethany Marshall just said, because 130 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to have that stuck in my head for 131 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how many days. Okay, thank you, doctor 132 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall for ruining the rest of my day. But 133 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: you know what I asked for it. I did not 134 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: expect that answer. But I blame myself totally, which is 135 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: probably another neurosis of some sort. You know. Wendy Patrick, 136 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: California prosecutor and author of Red Flags. The problem is 137 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: he's got a double life, as Bethany accurately pointed out, 138 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: where the whole wife a whole life going on that 139 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: Jamie knew nothing about. But that does not a murder case. 140 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: Mat It's great, and you know, it's one of those 141 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: things that likely will play into a defense in a 142 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: case like this. We hear about love triangles all the time, 143 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: and meant much of the time that does involve a 144 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: double life. It's also interesting that we have some online 145 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: evidence here. The de sexualization, though, is fascinating, you know, 146 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: not just because of the reasons doctor Marshall mentioned. By 147 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: the way, the read Malloy case is also interesting. I 148 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: work with read On in threat assessment cases. But it 149 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: will play in circumstantially, Nancy, as you and I and 150 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,479 Speaker 1: actually John Cardillo was well have dealt with in formulating 151 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: why this isn't just a case of someone leading a 152 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: double life, and why the circumstances indicate it is a murder. Now, 153 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: that's obviously some of the analysis that they're going to 154 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: prepare for trial and as we move forward, because you remember, 155 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: right now is just a kidnapping. And it's also an 156 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: interesting case regarding corpus. You know, somebody can confess to 157 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: a crime, but you also need to prove that it happened. 158 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: So all of what we're discussing here will also be 159 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: relevant proving that up as well. You know what, You're right, 160 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. The law is that a case cannot be 161 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: made on a confession alone. It must be proven otherwise. 162 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: What happened to Jamie Faden and how did this thirty 163 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: nine year old so called single mail pull off a 164 00:09:42,880 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: double life that ended? In murder crime stories with Nancy Gray, 165 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: We've broken down the timeline of events in this case 166 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: for you to understand exactly what happened and when so. 167 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: Jamie Feeden was last seen September fifteen. On September twenty third, 168 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: both Feeden and John Chapman arrived in Las Vegas after 169 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: driving across country from Bethel Park. He told her that 170 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: they were going to look at homes, and then two 171 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: days later, Chapman told Feedin they were going to drive 172 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: to the desert for a photoshoot. According to court paperwork, 173 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Chapman told police, while in the desert, he tied Feeden's 174 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: hands and feet to a signpole and covered her mouth 175 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: with duct tape, causing her to suffocate and die. He 176 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: then left her and drove back to Bethel Park. Then, 177 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: on October fifth, remains of a woman were found in 178 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: the Nevada Desert, and now, on October fourteenth, the missing 179 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: person's report was filed for Feeden. Just yesterday Chapman called 180 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: police and was asked about Feeden's disappearance. He apparently gave 181 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: detective's false information about the case, and today he was 182 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: charged in her kidnapping. A charge does not a jury 183 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: conviction make. As you just heard, a confession alone cannot 184 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: be the basis of a murder, indictment or conviction. It's 185 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: got to be proven and corroborated. Anybody can walk into 186 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: the police station to give a false confession. Do I 187 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: believe it happens often? No, but it does happen, and 188 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: it reaks havoc in the justice system. I Nancy Grace, 189 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 190 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: You just heard from Channel eleven w p XI Lisa 191 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: Sylvester describing what we think as the timeline breakdown doctor 192 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the State of Florida. 193 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: To top it all off, Jamie feed and the murder 194 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: victim had something called Vader syndrome. I'm not quite sure 195 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: what that is. I'm just a JD. You're the MD. 196 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: I know that she was only about four feet tall, 197 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: and she had been seeing John Chapman since either high 198 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: school or community college. They had been together a long time. 199 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: On top of that, he was a newlywed. He had 200 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: been married to his wife, Maureene less than a year. 201 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: So explain to me, doctor Gallagher, what is a Vader syndrome. Well, 202 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: Vader syndrome is a collection of developmental abnormalities that occur 203 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: in one person after they're born. A Vader v for Victoria. 204 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: The first letter represents vertebral anomalies. For instance, they may 205 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: have severe scoliosis of the spine, which is bending, twisting 206 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: of the spine, that maybe extra bones in the spine, 207 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: it's not a normal spine. Also, a the A part 208 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: of Vader stands for anus, and oftentimes the anus is 209 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: not open and that has to be opened surgically. And 210 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: then there are other abnormalities of the limbs and of 211 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: the internal organs that that prevent them from development for 212 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: developing normally. That can lead to a very short stature 213 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: and a very difficult physical life. You know, aparently all 214 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: the signs were there. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Hollywood psychoanalyst at 215 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany marshall dot com. Did you notice that her 216 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: Jamie's friends did not like John Chapman. They did not 217 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: want her seeing him. That's a big, big red flag. 218 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: I didn't notice that. And one of the things that 219 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: keeps grabbing my attention about this is the fact that 220 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: she had a disability and he didn't, and did he 221 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: use that to control her? Because people with disabilities are 222 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: often abused in very specific ways. Maybe they're shamed, maybe 223 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: their disability checks are taken. Sometimes they're they're thrust into 224 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: a public situation where they're demeaned by their partner. They're 225 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: told that they don't they're not allowed to have restroom breaks, 226 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: or that their voice on silly. So he chose a 227 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: partner who he had in his life for a long 228 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: long time, who I think he could probably be control 229 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: and manipulate because of her disability, and so that held 230 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: meaning for him, and we see how it all ended. 231 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: He tied her to a post, he duct taped her mouth, 232 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: he watched her suffer. I cannot believe that this was 233 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: the first time he treated her this way. It's just 234 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: that it's spilled over into homicide at this point. But 235 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure violence, mistreatment and abuse towards her had been 236 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: building for many, many years. Well, I know of one incident, 237 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: and I'm curious as to whether this will come into trial. 238 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: John Cardillo with me, former NYPD host of America, talks 239 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: on Newsmax TV. John, a friend of Jamie's, claims that 240 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: Chapman mistreated her, including using Jamie for money, and she 241 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: describes an incident when Faden Jamie allegedly arrived at a 242 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: restaurant with Chapman and Jamie had two black eyes. Yeah, 243 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean that that's indicative of a long term period 244 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: of abuse. She was probably hiding it. I mean, look, 245 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: as an investigator, we'd be looking into why he would 246 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: choose to cheat on his wife with somebody with such 247 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: physical infirmities. Was there some kind of fetish? What was 248 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: he had to something? You know, weird, bizarre? Quite frankly, 249 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: if it were me, I'd be looking for other victims 250 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: at this point, other disappearances of people with similar conditions 251 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: that lived in his area. Because the fact pattern, as 252 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: we know it indicates a very troubled guy, a very 253 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: dangerous guy. And so I think the instincts of the 254 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: friends were spot on. Look, they got a bad vibe 255 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: off the guy. That's typically indicative, even though it's intangible, 256 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: and now you combine that with physical evidence signs of 257 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: abuse black eyes, I think law enforcement's going to be 258 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: looking very hard at his electronic devices, his history as 259 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: bank accounts. And again, if it were me, I'd be 260 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: looking at other victims that were either of similar stature, 261 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: similar infirmity, that may have gone missing, victims of abuse 262 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: that didn't report it in his area, because it wouldn't 263 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: surprise me if we find other victims. Yeah, because if 264 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: he's living a double life, how do I know it's 265 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: a lot of triple life or even worse qu Yeah right, yeah, 266 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean thought of that, John Cardillo, you know, another 267 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: issue straight out to Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter, 268 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: how was Jamie's body sound? It was actually found out 269 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: in the desert by a man who was out on 270 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: a hike with his two young sons. They had pulled 271 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: off they were looking at old train engines and pulled 272 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: off onto an old dirt road out in the middle 273 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: of nowhere, and one of his older sons actually saw 274 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: something in the distance that intrigued him and it ended 275 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: up being what appears to be because she hasn't been 276 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: positively identified yet, but appeared to be the body of Jamie. 277 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: What I know is like Dave Matt just told us 278 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: a man was out hiking with his boys, and he 279 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: says that the boys saw something in the distance, but 280 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: they didn't know what it was, so he the dad 281 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: Linso tells the boys to get back in the truck, 282 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: and he went to investigate. He finds a body and 283 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: immediately caused the Lincoln County Sheriff's Department. He says, at 284 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: first he thought it was a child's body because the 285 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: body was so tiny. And this is very probative or 286 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: proves something to me. You know, sometimes I see a 287 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: fact and I don't know exactly what it's telling me 288 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: that I know that it's probative and will be probative 289 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: at trial. There were no clothes on the body and 290 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: no clothes to be found anywhere nearby, so her attack 291 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: or her killer either raped her or had sex with 292 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: her and left her that way, naked and tied to 293 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: a post in the desert with duct tape over her 294 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: mouth and nose, or he took her clothing away so 295 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: her body would not be identified. Important trial fact under 296 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: the law, The state can bring in evidence of what 297 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: occurred before, during, and after the incident to show frame 298 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: of mind, course of conduct m motors operandi. Neither of 299 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: those two scenarios reflect well on John Chapman at all. 300 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: The body, Jamie Feeden, was already heavily decomposed and just 301 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: dumped off like a piece of trash, according to Linso 302 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: it's not a good sight. He says, the road was 303 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: in a desolate area and the body could possibly still 304 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: be there if his boys didn't spot it. Crime Stories 305 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace A. Chapman hasn't been charged with homicide, 306 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: any kind of homicide charges that if occurred in Nevada, 307 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: and if there is a a body fine out there 308 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: would fall within their realm and they'd have to assume prosecution, 309 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: according to police, While she was missing, the victim's family 310 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: says someone reached out to them from her Facebook messenger 311 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: account pretending to be the victim. The police A Chapman 312 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: was on the other end. I feel so sorry for them, 313 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: and I just hope they do get that person, and 314 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: I hope he gets winning deserves for that family, because 315 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: that is so wrong. According to detectives in Las Vegas, 316 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: they did locate a body that fits many of the 317 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: unique characteristics of Jamie, but that body has not been 318 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: officially identified. Will it be able to be proven at 319 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: trial that this is Jamie Faeden and that John Chapman 320 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: murdered her? Big problem? Of course, we all know that 321 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: a murder case can be proven without a body, but 322 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: it does present a host of difficulties. I'm Nancy Grace, 323 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 324 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: You were just here our friends at Channel eleven wp X. 325 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: All right, that was Gabrielle de Luca reporting. Oh man. 326 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Every time we think we're within reach of enough evidence 327 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: to charge with murder, another wrinkle appears in the case. 328 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: How can she be positively identified? To doctor Tim Gallagher, 329 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: medical examiner for the State of Florida, with her body 330 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: in such an advanced state of decomposure, how can she 331 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: be identified? Well, we do have her skeletal remains, and 332 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: because of her medical condition, it's more than likely that 333 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: she has an X rays that we're taken out a 334 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: doctor's office that we can use to compare against the 335 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: remains to see what her developmental abnormalities are. You know, 336 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: she does have a Vader syndrome. Which has very distinct 337 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: bone patterns, and I'm sure that we could positively identify 338 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: her using X rays from her doctor's office and compare 339 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: those against the bony remains. Well, what about her dental records, 340 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: We can also use that as a supplemental form of 341 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: identification as well. Between the two and the circumstances that 342 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: surround her being there, positive identification is certainly within the 343 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: realm of possibility. And I'm going to circle back to 344 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: John Cardillo about her missing clothing. But doctor Tim Gallagher 345 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: explain how specific dental records can be unique to one 346 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: individual like a fingerprint. Oh, absolutely it can, especially when 347 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: there are dental restorations, meaning some of the cavities have 348 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: been filled with an amalgam of the orthodonic work may 349 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: still be in place. We can use distinct and individualized 350 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: characters of the person's dental X rays to compare against 351 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: the dental work that they receive. Additionally, gaps in the 352 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: teeth or root patterns that are or the tooth that 353 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: are below the gum line are very distinctive individual to individual, 354 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: and we could use those dental records to compare and 355 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: find the identification of the person. What does it say 356 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: to you. John Cardillo, host America talks on News next 357 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: to the former NYPD that all of her clothing was missing. Well, 358 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: one of the easiest ways to identify someone, right, I mean, 359 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: if you take the clothing, you can compare it to 360 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: maybe a photo that a victim posted to social media 361 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: the day before they went missing, a photo a friend 362 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: took of them. The family members would maybe the mom 363 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: or the dad says, oh, yep, that was her favorite church. 364 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: You loved that I bought it for her last Christmas. 365 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: That's definitely hers. And in her case, because of her condition, 366 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: the Vader syndrome and her stature, her clothing would have 367 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: been very unique, potentially child's clothing. So if you had 368 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: those photos of the clothing the day before or day 369 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: that she disappeared on social media on a cell phone, 370 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: or the family friends saying yep, that's definitely hers I 371 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: had to buy for her in a child section, you've 372 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: got a pretty key piece of evidence for identification. So 373 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: removing them certainly indicates that someone didn't want her to 374 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: be identified if she was found. Why do you make 375 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: of it? Windy Patcheck, California and prosecutor, an author of 376 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: Red Flag I'm just sort of adding to what's already 377 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: been said. You can get rid of the clothes, but 378 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: you cannot always get rid of what the remains tell 379 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: you about whose body this is, and particularly when you 380 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: have these unique features as we've been discussing. Of course, 381 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: nobody wants to jump to conclusions or reach them prematurely, 382 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: but Nancy's certainly in fact to one of the things 383 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: you said earlier. When it comes to proving a murder, 384 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: we always like to say, we don't want to be 385 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: callosus about it, but no body no problem in terms 386 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: of reaching a verdict, but it has to proceed very 387 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: differently the circumstances surrounding why we know, even if we 388 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: hadn't found a body in this case. That's not to 389 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: say a murder can't be proven here. It is a 390 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: lot more, is a lot easier, And not only do 391 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: we have the kind of unique features we can match 392 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: up the fact that this man shows this particular woman. 393 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: John talks about looking for similar victims. One of the 394 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: things we may find a common it's vulnerability. The vulnerability 395 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: the exploitation that took place here. You know, this is 396 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: one we also don't need to prove motives, but motives 397 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: going to matter in a case like this, and everything 398 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: we've been talking about are just more of the things 399 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: that the prosecutors are going to get in line in 400 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: getting this case ready to go to a jury and 401 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: potentially Nancy adding additional charges. Well, here's another piece of evidence. 402 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: Apparently even after she goes missing, she is still continuing 403 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: to Facebook. Listen, authorities, we're back at the alleged victims 404 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: Bethel Park home searching for more evidence. Police say that 405 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: victims uncle was getting Facebook messages purporting to be her, 406 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: but which we're giving incorrect answers to questions. But we 407 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: don't believe it was in fact her. We believe it 408 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: was mister Chapman posing as her. The chief says the 409 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: investigation is continuing here and in Nevada what he has 410 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: said that is in fact true, and we're in aft 411 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: see if we can find Jamie either a living or deceased, 412 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: and we're hoping that there's still a ray of hope 413 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: that she is alive and we can bring her back 414 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: home safely. You were hearing our friends at WTAE News 415 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: for that was reporter Bob and Mayo. You're also hearing 416 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: police chief Timothy O'Connor. What more do you need for 417 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: Pete's sake? Who would go on her Facebook and pretend 418 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: to be her? And I've got the Facebook postings? This 419 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: is Jamie feed and the missing woman. Question to Jamie, 420 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: did I miss something? Did you and John break up? 421 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: Someone wrote her? She writes back, Yeah, but we're still friends. 422 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: What happened? She writes, Apparently I was too clingy and 423 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: he couldn't take it. Thinking back, maybe I was and 424 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: I did not try to be But it's hard when 425 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: I care so much. Question I feel you, girl, She responds. 426 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: It was my idea to be friends because I didn't 427 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: want us to hate each other. My family was also 428 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: an issue as well. Another question, when's John's birthday? That's 429 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: an odd question. Have you tried asking him? Maybe, try 430 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: getting to know him? Answer? No, l ol. I just 431 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: saw a John Chapman in the paper where a birthday. 432 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: Didn't know if it was himlol. She allegedly writes back, Honestly, 433 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about John's birthday. We dated, but I 434 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: didn't feel he was quote the one, and there was 435 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: a lot I didn't know about him. He has a history. 436 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: I know that, but I never felt unsafe around him, 437 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: and he was always upfront about his past. Really really 438 00:26:39,480 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: did he write that crime stories with Nancy Grace was 439 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: nearly speechless. His stepmom told me he's married to another 440 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: woman and has been for about a year. The family 441 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: says they thought John Chapman was going to work for 442 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: a trip to Las Vegas, but that wasn't the case, 443 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: according to police. Chapman's family told me he met Jamie 444 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: Feedan at either a high school or a college for 445 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: students with special educational needs, and that he often has 446 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: a lot of close friends. Police say Chapman would often 447 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: stay at Feeden's Bethel Park town home. Chapman's family also 448 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: tells me he was living with his wife and his 449 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: mom in Oakmont through the summer, and everything seemed to 450 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: be fine until they got a phone call from police 451 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: a few hours ago. What went through my mind is 452 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: just when a horribly sad tragedy. You know, we had 453 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: heard that he had gone to Las Vegas. He was 454 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: going there for he said, for a work convention. So 455 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: I think at this point we're all just in shock. 456 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: It's just kind of you know, it's it's just what 457 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't seem like it's real a work convention, man, 458 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: that is so tired a work convention. You were just 459 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at Channel eleven WPXI. That was 460 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: Amy hoodat Reporting Wow, and you also heard the voice 461 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: of Pamela Chapman. This guy had really snowed everybody. But 462 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: I want to circle back to Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst in Hollywood. Bethany, 463 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: she knew this guy. Jamie knew John Chapman since they 464 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: were in high school. But these Facebook postings, these text responses, Honestly, 465 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about his birthday. We dated, but I 466 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: didn't really know that much about him. What Nancy, the 467 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: fact that he's on her Facebook. Not only is he 468 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: trying to throw people off the trail, but this tells 469 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: me that he has infiltrated every part of this victim's life. 470 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: He met her at a school for people with disabilities. 471 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a disability, so that tells me he 472 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: specifically chose her because of her disability. People with disabilities 473 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: tend to be more isolated. They're vulnerable, they have few 474 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: were friends, they have less access to the justice system. 475 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: They are more willing to be pliable to give their 476 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: money away to do anything to keep maintain the love 477 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: of the love object, so he targeted her. He had 478 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: her under his firm control. One of the reasons I 479 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: believe she didn't have clothing on. According to one report, 480 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: he told her that they were going to like a 481 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: bondage and discipline photoshoot in the desert, So he may 482 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: have taken her clothes off before he tied her to 483 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: that poll and the poor little thing may have thought 484 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: that she was sexy and he wanted her and he 485 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: was taking pictures of her. But not only that, then 486 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: he poses as her on her Facebook account, which tells 487 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: me that he also believed that she belonged to him, 488 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: that she was his possession, He could do whatever he 489 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: liked with her body, her money, her home, he stayed 490 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: there with her social media, that it all belonged to him, 491 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: including her life. Did John Cardillo NYPD? How do you 492 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: trace from where these messages came? Oh, there are several 493 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: ways you can do it. You can obviously you can 494 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: locate IP address. You can ping his cell phone. You 495 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: can look and see if the IP was coordinating with 496 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: where his vehicle was. If you can get a subpoena 497 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: for the GPS on his car. I mean law enforcement today, 498 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: it's it's it's much easier to track your electronic footprint 499 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: in many respects then if you completely went offline, went 500 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: totally analog, and we're just walking around without any device. 501 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: So really you're you're you're a walking homing beacon as 502 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: long as you've got a cell phone on you, and 503 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: if you've got any of the laptops that have wireless, 504 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's even freak Here out to Crime online 505 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave Mack, a friend of Jamie's 506 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: got very suspicious, and she's the one posing these questions 507 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: and he's giving some of the wrong answers. She got 508 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: very apprehensive about Chapman because he friended her the friend 509 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: on Facebook and began commenting on her photos like a 510 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: beautiful rose for a very beautiful woman of my husband 511 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: David Lynch sent a picture of a rose or commented 512 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: on a rose, A beautiful rose for a beautiful woman. 513 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: And it wasn't to me, you know all h E 514 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: double L would break loose. Dave Mack tell me about 515 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: these postings. How dare he friend her friend after he's 516 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: killed her. He's basically coming onto her online. I think 517 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 1: he was the ultimate con man, trying to cover his 518 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: tracks by trying to get this woman who did not 519 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: like him, but trying to get her to warm up 520 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: to him to continue his con But there's something else 521 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: very interesting about his pattern over the years. In his 522 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: first marriage, where he was married for seven years, he 523 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: and that wife stayed with Jamie Feeden at some point 524 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: during the marriage, and Chapman told his wife to pretend 525 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: that she was his sister so they could stay there. 526 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: And that wife, Cammy, said that she the Chapman bled 527 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: Jamie drive every penny she had. Then after they divorced, 528 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: she found a number of zip block baggies that Chapman 529 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: had that had girls panties in these baggies with a 530 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: name written on the baggie. And the question is how 531 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: many women did he possibly kill? Okay, that's shedding a 532 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: whole new light on this, and it was mentioned earlier 533 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: by John Cardillo, who really hit the nail on the head. 534 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: Are there other victims? I want you to take a 535 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Channel eleven w pax Side. 536 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: This is Gabrielle de Luca. According to the criminal complaint, 537 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: the suspect bound the victim's hands and feet with plastic 538 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: zip ties and affixed her to a signpost. He then 539 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: applied duct tape to her mouth and then to her 540 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: nose until such a time that she was unable to breathe. 541 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: Police say she suffocated, and Chapman then untied her, removed 542 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: the tape in her clothing, and left her there. But 543 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: Chapman hasn't been charged with homicide. According to detectives in 544 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, they did locate a body that fits many 545 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: of the unique characteristics of Jamie. Finding a body, you're 546 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: going to have to do your due diligence and make 547 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: sure that's the exact person. So until we receive actual 548 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: confirmation that they have found her, I mean, it's always 549 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: a possibility that she's still alive, someone out there and 550 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: we'd like to bring her home. The chief did tell 551 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: us that if Chapman is eventually charged with homicide, those 552 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: charges will come from Las Vegas and he'll be extradated 553 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: back to Nevada. Know, a murderer case can be prosecuted 554 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: where the body is found or where the murder took place. 555 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, this woman, Jamie Feedon, has been described as sweet, gentle, loving, 556 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: soul taken advantage of by a predator, And over all 557 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: the years I've prosecuted and covered crimes, it just hurts 558 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: me that the most tender and the most vulnerable people 559 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: are the ones that become victims. Nancy. It's just heartbreaking. 560 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: And in part of the reason that these types of 561 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: things happen, as you and I and John and doctor 562 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: Marshall have no doubt always encountered, is that people that 563 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: are less than the absolute physical ideal, less than the 564 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: kind of intelligence most people would want, are uniquely susceptible 565 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: to targeted attention. They're not used to receiving flattery or 566 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: sexual attention of any kind, and they are also uniquely 567 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: vulnerable for exactly that reason. That's just what John Cardilla 568 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: said earlier, that maybe this is somebody who does target 569 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: this pool of individuals, and Dave mac really kind of 570 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: shed the light on what we've learned so far that 571 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: brings it full circle, Nancy, to make it seem like 572 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: this fits a profile of that kind of a man. 573 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: And I would even add that what you pointed out 574 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: about friending the friends of the victim also not only 575 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: fits that profile, but also serves to further the narrative 576 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: of this victim, somehow is still alive, something that is 577 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: going to fault with all of the unknown answers to 578 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: what probably are very simple questions from friends and families. Well, 579 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: I've heard enough and this is my verdict. John Chapman, 580 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 1: Rot in Hell, Nancy Gray's crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,