Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Wika Epp Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody once again recording from the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, there is a bit of good news
Speaker 1: which I don't often get to share with all of you,
Speaker 1: so I want to start off the show on this
Speaker 1: good Monday with that good bit of good news. Omicron
Speaker 1: is on the decline in many of the states that
Speaker 1: it started to take over, namely in New York where
Speaker 1: I am. We are seeing decreases across the country, which
Speaker 1: is amazing and amazing, even though there have been more
Speaker 1: hospitalizations than in twenty twenty and in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and we are still losing roughly two thousand Americans a
Speaker 1: day to this virus, where we have a preventable way
Speaker 1: to deal with it, with the vaccine, with the boosters,
Speaker 1: even the news that there are there is a stealth
Speaker 1: variant which is according to the CDC and the WHO,
Speaker 1: a variant of interest, but not a variant of concern.
Speaker 1: Yet they're calling it a stealth variant, which you may
Speaker 1: have heard on the news because it is hard to detect,
Speaker 1: meaning that the rapid tests that we're using, the home
Speaker 1: tests that we're using are not picking up this variant.
Speaker 1: So what we do know is that this stealth variant
Speaker 1: is one that is not easily detectable. But according to
Speaker 1: the doctors right now that if in fact, you are
Speaker 1: vaccinated and you are boosted right now, it seems that,
Speaker 1: guess what, you won't get that sick, and you won't
Speaker 1: be hospitalized and you won't die. So again, we know
Speaker 1: this from the patterns that we've been seeing since twenty
Speaker 1: twenty through now for two years. Right that we started
Speaker 1: with the alpha. Several months later there was delta, several
Speaker 1: months later there was omicron. So we cannot just assume
Speaker 1: right now because we see these decreases happening that that
Speaker 1: means that, oh, we're all in the clear. Follow the patterns,
Speaker 1: and the patterns show us that they will most likely
Speaker 1: be another variant at some point right in the next
Speaker 1: several months. And so what should people be doing? Get
Speaker 1: your booster If you haven't gotten your booster shot, If
Speaker 1: you have family members and friends that have still not
Speaker 1: gotten the vaccine, and you're walking around with the vaccine,
Speaker 1: haven't lost an eye, haven't lost a limb, nothing is
Speaker 1: wrong with you. Encourage them to do so. But do
Speaker 1: not put yourself in harm's away. Do not raise your
Speaker 1: blood pressure and put yourself in fight mode in order
Speaker 1: to deal with these people. Offer the information they know
Speaker 1: where to get it if they still choose not to
Speaker 1: go with God. But I will say that when I
Speaker 1: see the green across our states, with the decrease in
Speaker 1: the numbers, I have my shoulders. You dropped down a
Speaker 1: little bit, But I got to tell you that I'm
Speaker 1: still on edge. I had a conversation that I actually
Speaker 1: want to share with all of you with my therapist,
Speaker 1: because last week I went back into studio for two
Speaker 1: days for specials for my other podcast, Democracy Ish, and
Speaker 1: I hadn't been on the subway since late November, hadn't
Speaker 1: been around of any groups of people. I've only done
Speaker 1: one on ones in my home, and I realize that
Speaker 1: I have become a bit agoraphobic. Right leaving my house.
Speaker 1: I realize that there are days and when I say days, three,
Speaker 1: four or five days that go by and I realize
Speaker 1: that I haven't left, And then when I do, there
Speaker 1: is this sense of fear right that the outside and
Speaker 1: outside people outside of my COVID pods, outside of all
Speaker 1: are dangerous. So my therapist said to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I have been hearing this a lot, and I want
Speaker 1: to tell you that it is becoming the norm. But
Speaker 1: in order for it to not just become a normal
Speaker 1: part of your personality, take walks. You know. I know
Speaker 1: that it's winter, seeing I'm a huge walker, but in
Speaker 1: all of the seasons except for when it's twenty degrees outside,
Speaker 1: which it has been in New York. She's like, just
Speaker 1: go for a walk around your block and then come
Speaker 1: back in. Just take in some fresh air. You know
Speaker 1: you will feel better your body, thank you, Just so
Speaker 1: that you're not asking yourself when you're throwing out the garbage,
Speaker 1: when was the last time that I was outside? And
Speaker 1: that is kind of where I have been, And so
Speaker 1: I offer that and share it because I know that
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one that has been feeling this way.
Speaker 1: That if you are working from home and and you're
Speaker 1: at home, if you're working from there, if you have
Speaker 1: a spouse or a partner and they're also working from
Speaker 1: home and you're just staring at each other all day,
Speaker 1: every day, there is this monotony, this feeling of groundhogs
Speaker 1: day that becomes really overwhelming at times. And so to
Speaker 1: take those breaks to go for a walk. So I
Speaker 1: offered that to all of you as we are beginning
Speaker 1: to see the decrease because we reach such an extraordinary peak,
Speaker 1: I mean where you're looking at six and seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people a day we're becoming infected. So there is
Speaker 1: good news on the horizon. But I would say, while
Speaker 1: COVID tests are back in stock in your local pharmacies
Speaker 1: and online, buy them so that you just have them
Speaker 1: at home, that while there is chlorox and things like that,
Speaker 1: just I'm not saying to hoard them. I'm saying have
Speaker 1: a supply so that when we do reach another variant
Speaker 1: and we want to be doing testing and we want
Speaker 1: to be safe, that we don't have the sense of
Speaker 1: panic that we did over the holiday season. So I
Speaker 1: offered that bit of good news and kind of a
Speaker 1: mixed bag. I gotta tell you that the end of
Speaker 1: last week, I felt like I was living inside of
Speaker 1: an article in the Onion headlines across the screen. Joe
Speaker 1: Biden heads to Pennsylvania to talk infrastructure as bridge collapses.
Speaker 1: This country is literally crumbling. Biden was on his way
Speaker 1: to someplace in Pennsylvania and right before he gets there
Speaker 1: an entire fucking bridge collapses. Thank god, as far as
Speaker 1: reports had shown that no one died. But if you
Speaker 1: saw the pictures or the video, there were cars, buses
Speaker 1: right that were trapped now on this collapse bridge. And
Speaker 1: I want to just you know, Biden then would give
Speaker 1: an impassioned speech last week Friday, he would give this
Speaker 1: impassioned speech where he's angry and we need to fix
Speaker 1: these things and we can do it. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: if you're not given that speech to Mansion, right, the
Speaker 1: man who didn't want to do infrastructure, if you're not
Speaker 1: talking about these things to him and Carsten Cinema, then
Speaker 1: what difference does it make? Right? Like, what difference does
Speaker 1: it make? I'm tired of speeches like, literally, you're seeing
Speaker 1: bridges collapse. We will see more of that. We will
Speaker 1: see roads cave in, we will see tunnels breakdown. But
Speaker 1: so long as Republicans are able to put money in
Speaker 1: their pocket and the likes of Joe Manchon and Kursten
Speaker 1: Cinema are able to do the same, who gives a
Speaker 1: fuck about the rest of America. We're supposedly right, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're this best nation and we have shit collapsing in
Speaker 1: the area that the President is going to visit. And this,
Speaker 1: of course, as reports say, this bridge has been rusting
Speaker 1: out for years and years and years, but we haven't
Speaker 1: done anything to fix it. And so here is where
Speaker 1: we are. You know, the same pictures you could see
Speaker 1: that in the storm that hit New York caused several
Speaker 1: months ago, where again on the news you're looking inside
Speaker 1: of subway stations and it was torrential downpour and it
Speaker 1: looks like a fucking geyser is going is happening. But
Speaker 1: that's our public transit that millions of people have to
Speaker 1: use every single day. And we've been told for I
Speaker 1: don't know how many decades, Oh, we're going to fix
Speaker 1: the subway system. The subways are fucking built here in
Speaker 1: like the early twentieth century and they haven't had any improvements. Right,
Speaker 1: we get new cars, but not new tracks, not new tunnels.
Speaker 1: So just think about this like we are. So we
Speaker 1: were so unprepared for a health pandemic because of our
Speaker 1: bullshit healthcare system. Right, you see why Asian countries were
Speaker 1: better prepared to do contact tracing and other places like that,
Speaker 1: because they have prepared. They used stars right as their
Speaker 1: indicator of things that need to get done. But in America,
Speaker 1: all we do is react, right, and it has to
Speaker 1: happen right in front of our fucking faces in order
Speaker 1: for anything to get done. Because you could have looked
Speaker 1: at what had been going on in China and said,
Speaker 1: you know, if that happened in the United States, we'd
Speaker 1: be fucked and you would be right, but they would
Speaker 1: do nothing about it. It's just it's so frustrating and
Speaker 1: it's so obvious. But once again, what do we do. Nope,
Speaker 1: ain't got money, ain't got money for the poor, ain't
Speaker 1: got money for bridges. But we will give the Pentagon
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars over what they ask for.
Speaker 1: They're the only ones that are flush. Meanwhile, is the
Speaker 1: Pentagon helping support your kids? Is the Pentagon making sure
Speaker 1: that you can get to work every day? No, it's not.
Speaker 1: But that's where all your fucking money is going. It's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Coming up in the show today is a really great
Speaker 1: conversation with our friend MSNBC legal analysts and host of
Speaker 1: Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. And you know, Glenn is going
Speaker 1: to break down where we are with the latest round
Speaker 1: of insurrectionists with Bill Barr apparently complying with the one
Speaker 1: six commission, and what does that actually mean? John Eastman
Speaker 1: bragging about the fact that he pled the fifth over
Speaker 1: a hundred times, and what does that mean, and whether
Speaker 1: or not we are actually getting close right to anyone
Speaker 1: at the high level of the insurrection planning, if we're
Speaker 1: getting close to them actually going down. The funny thing
Speaker 1: in the discussion with Glenn with regard to Eastman is
Speaker 1: Eastman pulled the same shit about his PowerPoint presentation, like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know why anybody's taking this seriously. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a big deal, it wasn't meant to do anything. It's
Speaker 1: just for entertainment. It's just for bullshit. Blah blah, blah,
Speaker 1: blah blah. This is the same fucking excuse if you remember,
Speaker 1: and I'll bring it up in the interview that Fox
Speaker 1: News said when Tucker Carlson was being sued, No one
Speaker 1: considers Tucker Carlson news. He's just entertainment. And the question
Speaker 1: that I asked to Glenn, and the question that I
Speaker 1: ask all the fucking time, is then why don't we
Speaker 1: have the FCC, which loves to regulate nudity and smoking
Speaker 1: and this, that and the other thing on all of
Speaker 1: your movies and series that we all binge watch. Why
Speaker 1: aren't they doing that with Fox News right to ensure
Speaker 1: that people recognize that the information that you were about
Speaker 1: to consume is for your entertainment, not for your education.
Speaker 1: I think that that would go a long way to
Speaker 1: all of their Fox viewers that if the federal government decides, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: this isn't real news. You mean, it's just like cotton
Speaker 1: candy for my fucking brain. Yeah, then maybe they wouldn't
Speaker 1: listen to everything that he says and take it as gospel. Folks,
Speaker 1: this month has been the longest the first month of January.
Speaker 1: January always fine to be the longest month, but also
Speaker 1: it just feels like twenty twenty two is going to
Speaker 1: be a really aggressive year. So as I do and
Speaker 1: say all of the time, please make sure that you
Speaker 1: were taking time for yourself each and every day, whether
Speaker 1: it's a walk around the block or walk around your neighborhood,
Speaker 1: going out into your backyard, doing a stretch of meditation, gardening,
Speaker 1: taking your dogs, grandchildren, anyone, right, but just make sure
Speaker 1: that you were taking good care of your mental emotional
Speaker 1: physical health on a daily basis, because you know, the
Speaker 1: more that I speak with my therapist who also knows,
Speaker 1: you know, what I do for a living, obviously, she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, people are unwell, They're not well, but the
Speaker 1: good news is is that a lot of folks are
Speaker 1: seeking help. And the funny thing she said to me
Speaker 1: is just like she said, your business is busy right now,
Speaker 1: so is mine. And I'm like, what does that even
Speaker 1: say that I'm busy as I followed the news and
Speaker 1: follow politics and society and culture on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: And she's busy because people are at their wits fucking end,
Speaker 1: feeling alone, feeling isolated, feeling all of the things. So
Speaker 1: please do make sure you take good care of yourself.
Speaker 1: Coming up next is my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know that I am always so excited when our
Speaker 1: friend MSNBC legal analysts and the host of Justice Matters.
Speaker 1: I'm Glenn Kirshner, Jen Kershner. This is where I am today.
Speaker 1: Glenn Kershner joins us each and every week to walk
Speaker 1: us through the tangled web of lies and criminality that
Speaker 1: the Trump administrat former Trump administration continues to weave. Glenn.
Speaker 1: You know, every week we have been talking about the
Speaker 1: insurrectionists and the one six committee. This week is not
Speaker 1: going to be any different. Tell us the latest. Where
Speaker 1: we are, if one again one of the high profile insurrectionists,
Speaker 1: but we're not at the big fish yet, We're still
Speaker 1: at these fairly low level folks. One of them was
Speaker 1: just denied the ability to wait for his trial at
Speaker 1: home and is finally, you know, being treated like an
Speaker 1: actual criminal, one that tried to overthrow the government. Tell
Speaker 1: Us where we are with Elmer Rhodes and his prosecution. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Elmer, of course he keeps calling himself Stuart Rhodes,
Speaker 1: but his name is Elmer Stuart Rhodes. He reportedly hates
Speaker 1: the name Elmer. So, with apologies to all of the
Speaker 1: Elmers out there, Fudd and the others, let's take a
Speaker 1: deep dive on this guy. Why, Because one he's the
Speaker 1: head of the Oathkeepers. That's going to tell us something
Speaker 1: about the Oathkeepers organization. And two he's Donald Trump's kind
Speaker 1: of guys. So let's see what we learned in court
Speaker 1: this week about Elmer Rhodes. Now, remember he's the guy
Speaker 1: who famously is wearing the eyepad. He's like an aspiring pirate.
Speaker 1: And the interesting piece about it is, I saw some
Speaker 1: reporting that I lost j Danielley there. Yep, I'm here. Okay,
Speaker 1: your picture just went out of me. Yeah, so if
Speaker 1: you can't see, but I'm still here, ye okay. There's
Speaker 1: been some reporting that he was like kind of a
Speaker 1: half of firearms instructor somewhere and he shot his own
Speaker 1: eye out, So you know, Ralphie from the Christmas Story
Speaker 1: would laugh at this guy. He also went to Yale,
Speaker 1: but was disbarred as a lawyer in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: He also hasn't paid his federal income taxes since two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Here's the most horrific piece of who
Speaker 1: Elmer Rhodes is. His own wife testified against him at
Speaker 1: the preliminary hearing, saying, among other things, he is violent
Speaker 1: and tried to control my behavior using firearms. He abused
Speaker 1: the beat our six children. I am scared to death
Speaker 1: of him. And also he had a series of escape
Speaker 1: tunnels buried in his backyard. That wasn't just her saying
Speaker 1: that that was presented by the prosecutors as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact. So he's wait, I'm sorry, what tunnels from
Speaker 1: his households had a series of escape tunnels built in
Speaker 1: underground in his backyard. Feels to me like he's also
Speaker 1: a flight risk and a danger to the community, which
Speaker 1: are the two reasons a judge can detain somebody jailed
Speaker 1: somebody pending trial. And the judge ordered that Elmer would
Speaker 1: be jailed pending trial. Here's the other. So this is
Speaker 1: the head he has no fixed addressed by the way,
Speaker 1: once is a strange wife kicked him out. This is
Speaker 1: the head of the oath Keepers, oath Keeper's leadership, and
Speaker 1: this is Donald Trump's kind of guy. So let's just
Speaker 1: understand what we're dealing with here with respect to the
Speaker 1: foot soldiers of the insurrection. And you're absolutely right, Danielle,
Speaker 1: they're still on the lower level, but with taking down
Speaker 1: guys like the head of the oath Keepers, we are
Speaker 1: at the top rung of the lowest level criminal food chain.
Speaker 1: We're still working up. We are working up. Here's the
Speaker 1: other thing I want to just share with your viewers
Speaker 1: about the seditious Conspiracy investigation. It's being headed up by
Speaker 1: a prosecutor named Katherine Rakozzi, an assistant United States Attorney
Speaker 1: at the DCUs Attorney's office. Kate is somebody that I
Speaker 1: brought to the homicide section when I was chief. I
Speaker 1: tried Kate's first murder trial with her. And let me
Speaker 1: reassure the American people they will be extraordinarily well represented
Speaker 1: by a USA Kate Rakozi heading up the seditious conspiracy investigation.
Speaker 1: She's a public servants, public servant. She's fearless, she is
Speaker 1: a hammer in a velvet glove. And I am so
Speaker 1: comforted knowing that she's had up that prosecution team. Um
Speaker 1: that I just wanted to share that with everybody. So
Speaker 1: I think on the seditious conspiracy piece against the oat keepers,
Speaker 1: we are moving in the right direction. So that was
Speaker 1: some good news. So, you know, a couple of things
Speaker 1: about Elmer Stewart Rhodes that that I want to dig into,
Speaker 1: because again, you know, Donald Trump, to your point, only
Speaker 1: surrounds himself with the best people, right, and it seems
Speaker 1: like every lawyer that he has surrounded himself with has
Speaker 1: either been this barred, is on their way to being
Speaker 1: this barred, has lost their license, or is laughed at
Speaker 1: among their colleagues. So um, you know what was interesting
Speaker 1: is that when the media was talking initially about Rhodes Is.
Speaker 1: Of course they led with the fact that he is
Speaker 1: this scholar from Yale. Right, so you're telling me that
Speaker 1: he went to Yale. Okay, yes, um? But then he
Speaker 1: lost his law license in two thousand seven. Do we
Speaker 1: know why he was disbarked? Do we know why? Court?
Speaker 1: In the court filings and part of the judge's findings
Speaker 1: in the case seventeen page findings. I recommend everybody read
Speaker 1: it if they have a few minutes. The judge found
Speaker 1: that he was disbarred in two thousand and seven. There
Speaker 1: is no more talk in the court papers. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure you know, if we had some good Internet sleuths
Speaker 1: out there, they could pretty easily figure out because those
Speaker 1: are generally public records when somebody becomes disbarked why he
Speaker 1: was disbarked. And you know, and you're a lawyer, so
Speaker 1: just you know, and I know that you don't know
Speaker 1: the jurisdiction for for for every single state, But in
Speaker 1: order to be disbarred, right, like, tell me about some
Speaker 1: of the things that you would have to do in
Speaker 1: order to to lose that license. Being disbarred is a
Speaker 1: lot like getting fired from the federal government. I've often
Speaker 1: said tongue in cheek that if you kill one person
Speaker 1: the federal government puts on probation, kill another, you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: The same holds true. The same holds true with state
Speaker 1: bar counsel. Why because attorneys protect attorneys, politicians protect politicians. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's sad, but it's state of affairs in America. So
Speaker 1: to get disbarred, there are so many lesser sanctions than disbarment.
Speaker 1: There's letters of reprimand there's a suspension from the practice
Speaker 1: of law for a period of time. There are fines
Speaker 1: that can be imposed. There are requirements that you repay
Speaker 1: a client if you have stolen your client's money, which
Speaker 1: I have to say is the lion's share of how
Speaker 1: attorneys get in trouble. They don't have appropriate escrow accounts
Speaker 1: for client funds, or they just outright steal them, like
Speaker 1: Michael Abnati did to Stormy Daniels. So there are probably
Speaker 1: ten lesser punishments that can and often are imposed against
Speaker 1: lawyers who do wrong before disbarment. Disbarment is like the
Speaker 1: mother of all punishment, and it takes a lot to
Speaker 1: get disbarred. So I would love to know why. I
Speaker 1: just haven't had time to go into it why he
Speaker 1: was disbarred, because I promise you it was for dramatic misconduct. Huh. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So moving on from Stewart, we know that
Speaker 1: he is reprimanded to jail awaiting his trial. Do we
Speaker 1: know around about when that trial will begin because we
Speaker 1: know that everything. Oh July, okay, great summer. It's a
Speaker 1: tentative trial date, and there's a backup trial date set
Speaker 1: farther down the road. And can I just tell you,
Speaker 1: because this is not intuitive, one of the reasons these
Speaker 1: trials are going to be pushed off into the future.
Speaker 1: One that's just federal prosecution, you know, business as usual,
Speaker 1: unfortunately from my perspective. But the second is what's called
Speaker 1: the Brady challenge. So Brady is a Supreme Court case
Speaker 1: that says the prosecutors have to give give over every
Speaker 1: piece of information that could potentially help the defendant, that
Speaker 1: is exculpatory that the defendant might want to use in
Speaker 1: their defense. And right now we have I don't know
Speaker 1: how many terabytes. I don't know what a terabyte is,
Speaker 1: lots of lots of the locks. I really don't yeh,
Speaker 1: hurts and make sure that makes your giga hurts. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that means either, I'm un joked on
Speaker 1: this morning, Danielle. I'm sorry. So, but there's so much
Speaker 1: information that the prosecutors have that has to be provided
Speaker 1: to the defense, literally like millions and millions of data
Speaker 1: hours that they have to pour through, and so making
Speaker 1: sure they get everything, every bit of electronic information that
Speaker 1: the prosecutors have that might help the defendant defend himself
Speaker 1: in court. I welcome and embrace the Brady requirement because
Speaker 1: that's how we give people fair trials, and everybody, including Elmer,
Speaker 1: deserves a fair trial. So yeah, it's going to take
Speaker 1: some time. These trial dates are going to be pushed
Speaker 1: off into the future. People are going to be very upset,
Speaker 1: my self included, because it's it's justice delayed. But it
Speaker 1: is also making sure that the defendants have everything the
Speaker 1: Constitution demands before they are made to go to trial. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right. Pivoting now to the one six Committee and
Speaker 1: where they are. So News of course breaks and says
Speaker 1: that America's worst former AG Bill Barr is quote cooperating
Speaker 1: with the committee. Now, my god, Glenn, over the last
Speaker 1: two plus years. You and I have laid out multiple
Speaker 1: ways in which Bill Barr should be in federal prison. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: the man was operating as Donald Trump's personal attorney when
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be the attorney for all of America.
Speaker 1: He created mechanisms that would ensure that whatever was coming
Speaker 1: out in the Muller Report, he was like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: nothing here, right, remember his four page press conference. I mean,
Speaker 1: jaw dropping, right. But again, the lie will get around
Speaker 1: the corner before the truth even gets out the door.
Speaker 1: And that is what Bill Barr and the Trump administration
Speaker 1: knew and used all the time. So now he's cooperating, Why, Glenn,
Speaker 1: Why to try to save his own skin? So and
Speaker 1: I have to add to your parade of horrible, Danielle,
Speaker 1: that Bill bar corrupted the Department of Justice and weaponized
Speaker 1: it to help Donald Trump's criminal associates like Mike Flynn
Speaker 1: and Rogerstone and punished Donald Trump's perceived enemies like Andrew
Speaker 1: McCabe and Michael Cohen. So everything that man did cries out,
Speaker 1: you know, for a need for accountability and prosecution of
Speaker 1: Bill Barr. But here's what's going on. In my estimation,
Speaker 1: we're reading he leaves a little bit. But Bill Barr
Speaker 1: is cooperating. What does that mean. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: Bill Barr resigned on December team, two days before the
Speaker 1: draft executive order by which Donald Trump was going to
Speaker 1: direct the military to cease unlawfully sees state property, all
Speaker 1: electronic voting equipment, all voting machines that would have been unlawful.
Speaker 1: I don't care what Richard Nixon said that if the
Speaker 1: president does it, it's not illegal. That's nonsense. Bill Barr
Speaker 1: got out right before everything was going to break really bad.
Speaker 1: And what Bill Barr did was he took all of
Speaker 1: that information about how democracy was about to be killed
Speaker 1: or there was an attempted murder plot on our democracy,
Speaker 1: and he kept it to himself. That's Bill Barr running
Speaker 1: out of a burning building, leaving all the men, women
Speaker 1: and children inside when he absolutely could have saved them,
Speaker 1: or could have done something to save them, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He's despicable. He's an enemy of the state, period, and
Speaker 1: he needs to be held accountable, not for political reasons,
Speaker 1: but because he violated the law in any number of ways.
Speaker 1: But how Select Committee is welcoming him, welcoming him in
Speaker 1: with open arms. Well, Bill come tell us what you
Speaker 1: know about Donald Trump. Now, I suspect that part of
Speaker 1: that is the fact that the enemy of my enemy
Speaker 1: is my friend. So if Bill Barr has incriminating information
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump, I would want it as well as
Speaker 1: a prosecutor, and I'm sure the House Select Committee wants
Speaker 1: it for purposes of its investigation. Now, they will have
Speaker 1: to keep their questioning of Bill Barr very narrow so
Speaker 1: as to avoid Bill from having to in the vocus
Speaker 1: fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, which he absolutely has
Speaker 1: in any number of ways. But I think they want
Speaker 1: that information that could incriminate Donald Trump, and they have
Speaker 1: to navigate Bill Barr in a way that allows them
Speaker 1: to get that information. And it gives the illusion like
Speaker 1: Bill Barr is cooperating. But Bill Barr is not cooperating
Speaker 1: at a sense of civic duty or a sense of patriotism,
Speaker 1: or a desire to see Donald Trump and his criminal
Speaker 1: associates held accountable. He's cooperating if at all, to save
Speaker 1: his own skin. If I were dealing with Bill Barr
Speaker 1: as a federal prosecutor, he would be cooperating as well,
Speaker 1: because he would be indicted for all of his crimes
Speaker 1: and then I would flip him. That is how Bill
Speaker 1: Barr ought to be cooperating. I just you know, Glenn,
Speaker 1: I still really do not understand with the mountain with
Speaker 1: the everest of mountains of documentation of Bill Barr's own words.
Speaker 1: I remember his CBS interview, right, you remember his CBS
Speaker 1: the CBS interview where he was like, well, I don't care,
Speaker 1: I'm old and I'm retiring. So basically, everybody, right, my legacy,
Speaker 1: what about your legacy? It doesn't matter, right, slide and
Speaker 1: done a lot wrong and exactly so. So do we
Speaker 1: believe that this person who when national television instead basically
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn right. Do we think that
Speaker 1: he honestly would flip against Donald Trump to save himself
Speaker 1: from dying in prison. I do believe he would. Of course,
Speaker 1: the House Select Committee doesn't have the ability to write
Speaker 1: him in prison unless he know thumbs his nose at
Speaker 1: a subpoena and they decided to use their power of
Speaker 1: inherent content. How likely is that we can maybe talk
Speaker 1: about New Gingrich in a minute, because he delivered a
Speaker 1: gift to the Democrats. But no, I don't believe Bill
Speaker 1: Barr is being forthcoming for any reason other than he
Speaker 1: thinks it's in Bill Barr's interest to be forthcoming. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Danielle, think about the people who are
Speaker 1: not cooperating with the J six Committee. Mark Meadows, who
Speaker 1: still needs to be criminally indicted, and hopefully he will
Speaker 1: be now that the Supreme Court has shot down Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's executive privilege claim. You know Jim Jordan, Scott Perry,
Speaker 1: the cover Up Caucus, you know who they kid, Kevin
Speaker 1: McCarthy and John Eastman, a few of these other idiots.
Speaker 1: But more than four hundred people are cooperating and have
Speaker 1: testified and have prevent that presented documentary evidence. So think
Speaker 1: about the small slice of people who are not cooperating.
Speaker 1: You know what the House Select Committee has on Bill
Speaker 1: Barr right now? From those four hundred people, they have
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds I suspect of electronic communications where Bill
Speaker 1: Barr was caught saying X, Y and Z to people.
Speaker 1: And that's hard evidence that they can bring in Bill
Speaker 1: Barr and confront him with and say, okay, Bill, here's
Speaker 1: your email saying you're going to do X, Y and Z.
Speaker 1: Here's your email received from Mark Meadows, Kevin McCarthy saying X, Y,
Speaker 1: and Z, we got you. You want it, you want
Speaker 1: to cooperate, at least in a limited way. That's kind
Speaker 1: of where they are with the bill bars of the
Speaker 1: world and the handful of other people who are bucking
Speaker 1: their subpoenas, they're going to be on the losing end.
Speaker 1: Those people are going to be on the losing end
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. So you know, I'm
Speaker 1: the last one to say be patient. I lose my
Speaker 1: patience every minute of every day, and then I try
Speaker 1: to take myself back down off the ledge and look
Speaker 1: for signs of hope. So you know, I still think
Speaker 1: we're going to get there. I know that rings hollow,
Speaker 1: and I know it feels like the voice crying wolf,
Speaker 1: but I think we're going to get there, all right.
Speaker 1: So let's go to John Eastman, right, my favorite idiot
Speaker 1: who just goes on television, just says a lot of things,
Speaker 1: brag about the over one hundred times that he played
Speaker 1: the fifth. How is it that you plead the fifth
Speaker 1: and then you go on television, you go on podcasts
Speaker 1: and you say, oh, I did it one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty times. Do innocent people do that? No? Because the
Speaker 1: law regarding invocation of your Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination,
Speaker 1: the law says you may not unless your truthful testimony
Speaker 1: would actually incriminate. You would actually give the government, the
Speaker 1: people interviewing or interrogating or deposing you give them information
Speaker 1: that tended to show you committed a crime. Now, it's
Speaker 1: a Fifth Amendment right, we all have it. I embrace it,
Speaker 1: I support it. I'll fight for your right to invoke it.
Speaker 1: But it does tell us something, right, It tells us
Speaker 1: that John Eastman, very likely, by his own admission, committed
Speaker 1: any number of crimes. And here's what and how does
Speaker 1: he get to go on podcasts and get away with it. Well,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been locked up for the crimes he committed.
Speaker 1: Now maybe he will be in the future. I certainly
Speaker 1: hope he will be. But that's how he gets to
Speaker 1: do all this. It is by the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: is in action at least thus far. But it's even
Speaker 1: worse because he gave a Once he got caught with
Speaker 1: that treasonous memo that he wrote how to for Fun
Speaker 1: and Profit, he went on TV and he said, my memo,
Speaker 1: my memo was a thought experiment, and anybody who took
Speaker 1: my memo seriously is and I quote crazy. He is
Speaker 1: trashing his own legal memo. What does that tell you
Speaker 1: consciousness of guilt? He knows what treason is that memo is.
Speaker 1: It's no different than Mark Meadows saying my book is
Speaker 1: fake news. Mark Meadows went on air with Fox and
Speaker 1: when confronted with passages in his book that were critical
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, he said, oh, that's fake news. Dude.
Speaker 1: They quoted you from your book. He's willing to emasculate
Speaker 1: himself and say my own book is fake news. John
Speaker 1: Eastman is willing to say my own memo is crazy.
Speaker 1: But all of that is evidence that I would use
Speaker 1: to incriminate them because it shows their consciousness of guilt. Danielle,
Speaker 1: we just have to get these cases in front of
Speaker 1: a jury. This is this, but this is the same
Speaker 1: thing that essentially, you know, Fox News did when they
Speaker 1: were brought in when they were bringing in Tucker Carlson. Oh, Tucker,
Speaker 1: that's not news, it's entertainment. So how is it, Glenn,
Speaker 1: that legally these people can continue to spread lies, write
Speaker 1: trees in its memos, go on national television say all
Speaker 1: of these things, rile up tens of thousands or in
Speaker 1: the case of the number one podcaster or in the world,
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan rile up hundred million people and then turn
Speaker 1: around and say, oh, well, no one should be listening
Speaker 1: to me anyway. Where the hell is the FCC. If
Speaker 1: that is actually the case, if it's just entertainment, then
Speaker 1: why can't we slap stickers on their mouths that say
Speaker 1: they're clowns? It's for entertainment. And to answer the question,
Speaker 1: how can any of this this be done legally? It
Speaker 1: can't be done legally. Ask the question if a bank
Speaker 1: robber commits a bank robbery and the FEDS never bother
Speaker 1: investigating and arresting the bank robber, how could the bank
Speaker 1: robber have done it legally? The answer is the same.
Speaker 1: They're not doing it legally. The question is when will
Speaker 1: they be held accountable for what they're doing illegally? And
Speaker 1: the FCC piece, which I love to talk about because
Speaker 1: we're so afraid of regulating, legislating, and then litigating in
Speaker 1: the First Amendment arena, right, Oh my goodness, the press
Speaker 1: has a First Amendment right that we don't want to
Speaker 1: trample on. That is what gives that fear and timidity,
Speaker 1: and frankly it's a fear of failure, embarrassment, and criticism.
Speaker 1: That fear and timidity is why the Fox propaganda network
Speaker 1: gets to thrive because we don't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: I've been saying all along, the FCC should regulate against it,
Speaker 1: the Congress should legislate against it, and then when that
Speaker 1: regulation and that legislation is challenged, we litigate our position
Speaker 1: known that we're not going to tolerate Fox News doing
Speaker 1: things that are inherently and imminently dangerous to our people.
Speaker 1: But if we don't regulate and we don't legislate, and
Speaker 1: then when it's attacked, we don't litigate and defend our position,
Speaker 1: then Fox propaganda wins and Americans die. But we're so
Speaker 1: afraid of criticism, and we're so timid, and we're so
Speaker 1: concerned about somebody saying we're trampling on the First Amendment.
Speaker 1: I love the First Amendment. I'll fight like hell for
Speaker 1: your right even to stand up and spout things like,
Speaker 1: you know your white supremacist nonsense, you're Nazi nonsense, you're
Speaker 1: you know, you have the right to talk about that,
Speaker 1: even though you're a despicable human being. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to fight to make sure, you're never in power, but
Speaker 1: as long as you're not inspiring imminent violence, we get
Speaker 1: to talk, we get to speak our mind, but we don't.
Speaker 1: If we don't regulate, legislate, and then litigate, we've already
Speaker 1: lost and we're not even in the fight. So I
Speaker 1: wish we had politicians Danielle who had the spine to
Speaker 1: do these things, you know, because I just I'm so tired, Glenn.
Speaker 1: I got to be honest, because you know, as I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you too, I'm thinking about the fact that
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin finds herself in my city right now, right
Speaker 1: because of things that she said, the promotion that she did,
Speaker 1: a violence on her own website, and then Gabby Gifford's
Speaker 1: is shot, right, and other people are killed, and it's
Speaker 1: just like, oh, but it's an NPR made a false
Speaker 1: equivalency between what was put on her website and violence
Speaker 1: that happened. Oh, Donald Trump can be up on a
Speaker 1: stage saying go take your country back, fight, fight, fight,
Speaker 1: and then there's an insurrection and oh, it was just
Speaker 1: words like give me a break here at this point,
Speaker 1: like do they need to be standing with the gun
Speaker 1: in their hand? Do they need to be standing next
Speaker 1: to the gallows in order for us to connect the
Speaker 1: dots here legally and hold these people accountable. We're letting
Speaker 1: the Nazis and the white supremacists and the xenophobic forces
Speaker 1: in this country win. We're letting them win because we're
Speaker 1: not fighting the fight. Why we're not fighting the fight,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean embarrassment and timidity and fear
Speaker 1: of loss in court answers the question, but not fully
Speaker 1: to my satisfaction. I sure hope both parties aren't more
Speaker 1: aligned than we know. I hope that's not you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope that's not true. I hope it's
Speaker 1: just not about both sides keeping power. But I don't
Speaker 1: know it. You know, we're close to giving it all away,
Speaker 1: and you and I we're fighting every day, every every day.
Speaker 1: The last thing before I let you go today. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the news of Justice Bryer deciding to retire. This does
Speaker 1: not equalize the conservative, radical Supreme Court that we have.
Speaker 1: It is just basically a swap, a democratic swap. But
Speaker 1: what do you make of the President's assertion once again
Speaker 1: that the replacement will in fact be a black woman,
Speaker 1: that it's long overdue. Is this just you know, once
Speaker 1: again pageantry and let me pat the community on my
Speaker 1: head or does this actually have some merit? No, it's
Speaker 1: not just pageantry. And for the President to say, you know,
Speaker 1: we have ignored segments of our population for sodang Long
Speaker 1: and I am not going to allow that to continue.
Speaker 1: And so I will nominate an imminently qualified African American
Speaker 1: woman to be a Supreme Court justice that gives me
Speaker 1: a quality goose bumps. Is it enough? No? Is it?
Speaker 1: But is it important that now for all time? And
Speaker 1: I get emotional because I have I raised five daughters,
Speaker 1: they're all grown and we got the grandchildren rolling in now.
Speaker 1: But I want to use another example of why I
Speaker 1: think this is so important. I also have a son,
Speaker 1: and I when I say things like anybody can be president,
Speaker 1: that resonates with my son. I don't believe it resonates
Speaker 1: with my daughters because they say, yeah, prove it, hold
Speaker 1: one up, show me an example of a woman president,
Speaker 1: and I can't. But you know what, any woman, any
Speaker 1: African American woman, can be a Supreme Court Justice of
Speaker 1: the United States, and can be vice president and hopefully
Speaker 1: one day can also be president. But when we use
Speaker 1: platitudes like that and trite sayings, let's go behind it
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, prove it. Joe Biden is proving it.
Speaker 1: That is important. It's so important. Can I tell a
Speaker 1: quick story. I had a ten year old so I
Speaker 1: twenty two of my thirty years as a prosecutor, I
Speaker 1: handled murder cases in Washington, DC. And I had a
Speaker 1: ten year old young man, his name was Chris, who
Speaker 1: was an eyewitness to a horrific murder of a guy
Speaker 1: who was kind of a local drug dealer in his neighborhood.
Speaker 1: That Chris knew. Ten year old Chris knew because he
Speaker 1: you know, he would see him on the corner hustle
Speaker 1: and every day when Chris would go to and from school. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Chris witnessed the murder and he was one of the
Speaker 1: only witnesses. And it always broke my heart when it
Speaker 1: was children who got pulled into the violence in DC.
Speaker 1: The reality was I had to develop a relationship with Chris.
Speaker 1: I had to ask him about this horrible thing he saw,
Speaker 1: and then I had to prepare him to testify in
Speaker 1: a public trial. Who wants to do that to a
Speaker 1: ten year old? So Chris's mom brought him to my
Speaker 1: office and I always, you know, because I have so
Speaker 1: many kids myself, I spend a long long time in
Speaker 1: the run up to having to ask the horrific question, now, Chris,
Speaker 1: what did you see that day? So I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time trying to develop a relationship with him,
Speaker 1: talk about school and his friends and his activities and
Speaker 1: what he likes and how his teachers. And I have
Speaker 1: standard lines that I throw out, as most parents and
Speaker 1: grandparents will. I'm like, you know, so, Chris, who's your
Speaker 1: who's your who's your teacher? My teacher is Miss Brown?
Speaker 1: And Miss Brown, oh I heard she's kind of mean.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no, Miss I love Miss Brown.
Speaker 1: So I'm playing and we're trying to and I will
Speaker 1: tell you. He was an African American ten year old boy.
Speaker 1: This was during the Obama era administration, and he went
Speaker 1: to a private school in DC. He was wearing like
Speaker 1: a little blazer and he had a polo shirt and
Speaker 1: he had a pair of packies on, which was the
Speaker 1: private school uniform. He also had close cut hair, he
Speaker 1: had ears that kind of stuck out. He had a
Speaker 1: medium medium complexion. And I'm looking at him and I said,
Speaker 1: and I ask everybody in DC adults and child or like,
Speaker 1: you have a nickname? Said yeah, said well, what's your nickname?
Speaker 1: He said, my friends call me Obama. And at that moment,
Speaker 1: I get emotional, just tell the story. At that moment,
Speaker 1: I saw the resemblance like he was like a little
Speaker 1: ten year old Barack Obama. And so I asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, Chris, do you like your nickname? Because you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes kids will put a nickname on you and you're
Speaker 1: not happy about your nickname. And he like, he got
Speaker 1: really proud, and he said, yeah, I love my nickname.
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, If that's not a little bit
Speaker 1: of hope, a ten year old young man who saw
Speaker 1: this horrible thing, who is so proud that his nickname
Speaker 1: is the President of the United States, our first African
Speaker 1: American president, If that's not a little bit of hope,
Speaker 1: and if that doesn't show the importance of people in
Speaker 1: positions on the Supreme Court or high government officials who
Speaker 1: our kids get to look at and emulate and be
Speaker 1: proud of and aspire to be. If that's not a
Speaker 1: little bit of hope, I don't know what is now.
Speaker 1: In the years since my hope has been walked deep
Speaker 1: into the woods and killed dead from time to time
Speaker 1: because of what we've experienced, you know, but that is
Speaker 1: a story that has always stuck with me about the
Speaker 1: importance of President Obama and the importance of what Joe
Speaker 1: Biden is about to do. You know, Glenn, I tell
Speaker 1: you that there are days when we both get off
Speaker 1: of these interviews and I feel not that great. And
Speaker 1: I will tell you that today that story really hit
Speaker 1: me where I needed to remember where my heart and
Speaker 1: hope is because it does it. Representation does matter, Diversity
Speaker 1: does matter, and not just for diversity's sake, because the
Speaker 1: women that will be brought up to face a Senate
Speaker 1: confirmation hearing will be the best that this country has
Speaker 1: to offer. But the attention being given to the fact
Speaker 1: that they had this group black women have been overlooked
Speaker 1: for far too long is an important one. So thank
Speaker 1: you so much for that reminder, for that story, for
Speaker 1: leaving us today with a little bit more hopefulness than
Speaker 1: we started out. I always appreciate you and the conversations
Speaker 1: we get to have. Thank you, Daniel, Thank you. That
Speaker 1: is it for me today. Folks on woke app as always,
Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people power,
Speaker 1: get woke, and stay woke as fuck.