1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: And everybody is Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: And we continue now all part two of our conversation 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: with Charlotte Dance right after these brief messages from our 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: general sponsors. So you are fostering as healthy as you 5 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: can and as possible a relationship with Dell's biological family, Yes, 6 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: all the while being Dell's mom. Did you ever again, 7 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: you're a better person than I am. I would have worried, 8 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: and dare I say, maybe even been caution that Dell 9 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: might decide that he wanted to develop a relationship with 10 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: his biological family over his adoptive family as he got older, 11 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: even to his own detriment, and might have even been 12 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: a little bit jealous of the whole thing. Did that 13 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: ever cross your mind? 14 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: Well, to some degree. But I know that Dell in particular, 15 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: you know how some people just crave love and he 16 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: gives it too, but he has to have He's like 17 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: the instigator with all the friends. He has people around 18 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: him all the time. He's like an extreme extrovert. And 19 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: I just figured that the more people that loved him, 20 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: the better off it was going to be. I mean, 21 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: sometimes you know, he'd say he'd tell me. He'd say, 22 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: I'd say, well, if something happens to us, and I'd say, 23 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: and he'd goes, I could just go live with Jenna, 24 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, probably not a wise idea, of course. 25 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: Another time he told me I just live with Grandpa 26 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 2: and Grandma, and I thought they might find you a 27 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: bit much sometimes. 28 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: Well, I can't help but think through you and your family, 29 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: your daughters and your husband. Got to give them props 30 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: for this, too, are actively breaking the proverbial generational chain 31 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: of dysfunction and trauma by giving Dell a different family. 32 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he has, he and that's the thing. I love 33 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: watching him because. 34 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to choose my words carefully. I don't want 35 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: to be disrespectful to anybody. 36 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: But they would tell you they've been through a lot. 37 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 2: I mean, they're pretty open about what's happened to them. 38 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: And it's hard, it's very hard. But I mean I 39 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: take him to visit his great grandmother when we're in Sisiton, 40 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: and she's the sweetest, tiniest little woman and just so sweet. 41 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: And I was taking her back to her house. She 42 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: had come to the church. I cook their meals while 43 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: we're there because we go back every year to sister 44 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: and she said I was dropping her off and I 45 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: think it was maybe the last time, and she said, 46 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: she said, I am so glad Dell's in your family. 47 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: And you know, I mean there's a lot of hurt 48 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: in the Native American community and they can feel pretty upset. 49 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: But I don't get that from us, it's from them. 50 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: It's more like, we haven't stolen him, They've adopted us. 51 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: That's phenomenal. We haven't stolen him, They've adopted us. So 52 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: really the convergence of two families from very different walks 53 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: of life around Dell. 54 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dell's the Dell's a common denominator. And and just 55 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: with Dell, there's always been hard things, but there's always 56 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: been a lot of sweetness. He's very loving. I mean, 57 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 2: he was my Dell laptop. I you know, I we 58 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: had to lay down, let them to go to sleep 59 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: because sleep was real hard. We did all these things. 60 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: So I spent a lot of time with Dell. And 61 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: but the last few years as a teenager, you know, 62 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: they kind of want to make that break apart. 63 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: All teenagers are but holes. I raised four of them, 64 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: I know, and then they get good again. Yeah, they're 65 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: precious than they're buttholes. Then they've become not really precious. 66 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: But if they came out as teenagers, the human race 67 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: would have died out a long time. 68 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: That's well said. 69 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: But I was, I was talking to him. He had 70 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: called me for some reason. He wasn't at home, and 71 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: he's been really hard lately, you know, not so much sweetness, 72 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: just hard. And he said, Mom, you've given me a 73 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: good life. And I said, we've tried. Del He says, no, 74 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: you have, and that comes from an eighteen year old. 75 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: And that was the day after Christmas, and I said, 76 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: that was the best Christmas gift ever? 77 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Did you break down sobbing? No, I would have got. 78 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: My eyes are cheering up now just thinking about it. 79 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: What else could you have? What more could you have 80 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: asked for Christmas than recognition that you did is a 81 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: job well done well? 82 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: And I mean he's brought a lot of richness into 83 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: our life, sure, a lot of richness. You know. I know, 84 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: I know and do things that I never would have 85 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: done and known without him. 86 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: So we're an army and normal folks. And the whole idea, 87 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: obviously you would know because the whole reason your here 88 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: is because you've paid attention. Is we believe in bottom 89 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: up stuff. We believe in normal people, not the government, 90 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: not some big organization, normal people doing little things to 91 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: make their community better, and being present where you are 92 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: and using your abilities and your passion and areas of 93 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: need to affect change big and small. And our thesis 94 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: is if we had millions of people doing that, our 95 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: culture would look far different than it does today. Given that, 96 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: and we're still getting back to Dell later, given that, 97 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think you did something really big adopting 98 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: the child, but you've also done small stuff, little messages 99 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: to several people, which is a great example of something 100 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: all of us can do without a whole lot of effort. 101 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: Alex calls it when faithfulness looks small. 102 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: That's a good way of putting it. Well, you would 103 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: not want me to organize things, because that is not 104 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: my gift. 105 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Okay. 106 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: I like doing. I don't like being in charge of things. 107 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: I like doing things. And the army I am, and 108 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: I see a lot of my dad. My dad was. 109 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: My mom was an organizer. She ran the college library 110 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: and she was very good at it and she kept 111 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: us going. My dad not, but he was a doer. 112 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: I mean heart sounds like, Oh my goodness, lots of people. 113 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing. I still get people saying things 114 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: about him and how much they appreciated him. And but 115 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: I read a thing one time and it said, it's 116 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: hard to know what the right thing is to do 117 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: long term, but you usually know you can usually say 118 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: yes to the things that you know are right in 119 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: ten seconds. You know that the little things. And so 120 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: our daughter was struggling, and my dad said, well, let's 121 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: have everybody pick a day and they can contact her 122 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: in some way on that day of the month. So 123 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: somebody had the first of the month, and somebody had 124 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: the you know. And I asked her about it, and 125 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: she said, she says, oh, Mom, it makes me feel 126 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: like there's so many nice things coming in. It makes 127 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: me feel like like I died and everybody's body's saying 128 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: nice things at my funeral, except I didn't have to 129 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: die to do this. And it was so helpful because 130 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: she was she was really struggling with depression, and it 131 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 2: made such a healthy difference for her to have those 132 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: people contacting her, and it took part of the burden 133 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 2: off my husband and I and it was wonderful and 134 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: so I have this friend that struggled for years with 135 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: with depression, and I thought, well, I can do that 136 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: for her, and so I started just sending her a 137 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: text every once in a while. I said, if you 138 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: don't want me to do it, just tell me. I 139 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: won't feel bad, I said, and you don't have to 140 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: answer me. So I took away that that feeling like 141 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: I'm not doing what I have to do, and eventually 142 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: I did get one back from I love getting these 143 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: texts from you. It's it makes my day. And sometimes 144 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: it's just a picture of flowers that I'm growing in 145 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: my yard saying I'm thinking of you or remember this memory. 146 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: And it's nothing big, and it's I might do it 147 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: once or twice, maybe three times a month if I'm 148 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: really good that month. You know, it's not very it's 149 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: it's not very hard to do, and yet and yet 150 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: it's it's uplifting to her. 151 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. I think that's interesting that your 152 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: father said, let's all just send a text or an 153 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: email or phone or card or a note, and everybody 154 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: takes a day and shift it up and won't take 155 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: much time at all. But we can raise the spirits 156 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: of someone whose spirits need to be raised. Absolutely easy, 157 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: little quick, but so very meaningful for another human being. Yeah, 158 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: do you still do that? 159 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: I with my friend. I do, I don't. I don't 160 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: know if anybody is still doing it to my daughter. 161 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: But she's not at the place where it was as hard. 162 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: You know, she's just doing she's doing better. 163 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: So as easy as just setting a picture of flowers 164 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, I'm thinking about you. If your day's blue, 165 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: I hope it's brighter. How hard is that? 166 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: It's easy? 167 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: But ask yourself, what if everybody did that for someone 168 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: that they knew was hurting and did it consistently. Just 169 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: consider the brightness that would bring. 170 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 2: Oh, it's just it just makes such a difference. 171 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: So you talked about your daughter. Let's talk about something 172 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: else you've did, which I've on really interesting and I'm 173 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: gonna tell you why. I've got some backstory in it, 174 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: and then I'll let you go. Your daughter, who you 175 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: just indicated had some depressions, some mental health challenges, had 176 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: another challenge first, which, of course, given who you are, 177 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: led your first significant form of service I think, and 178 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,479 Speaker 1: that challenge I think was she was dyslexic. 179 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, both of my daughters are dyslexic, so to a 180 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: great degree. 181 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: So I went to a interesting high school. My fourth 182 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: high school. You got kicked out of the rest, which 183 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: is still my freshman year, if that'll get that. We're 184 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: not going to get into my story, but let's just 185 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: say this my fourth school actually from eighth grade till 186 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: first of ninth grade. It so really two years my 187 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: fourth school, and it was kind of the last stop 188 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: before mom shipped me off somewhere. I think I had 189 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: some trauma and I was angry and was acting out 190 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: on it because I was thirteen years old, and you 191 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: know thirteen year old stindact out when they're pissed off, 192 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: So I did. At any rate, I got to the 193 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: school and it was the right place for me. But 194 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: it was interestingly socially and athletically, but it was an 195 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: interesting place academically. It had two tracks, one very high 196 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: end academic track, which was really challenging, and the other track. 197 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: It was the first school in the state of Tennessee 198 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: that had an entire bilateral track where all the kids 199 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: were mainstreamed in all social and athletic and the arts 200 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: and everything. But all of the teachers on that track 201 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: were chained to teach kids who were dyslexic. 202 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. 203 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: So my graduating class of sixty had thirty really high 204 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: functioning kids whose average ACT scores were in the thirties 205 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: where I was, and then the other half of their 206 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: class were one hundred percent dyslexic, some really verbal, some arithmetic, 207 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: and some both. But other than their academic track, everything 208 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: else socially and everything else athletically, everything was the same. 209 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: We were challenged in football because our quarterback and our 210 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: tailback were dyslexic, and many of us would be running 211 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: left while they would all go right. Street story, I 212 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: can tell you how many times our running back got 213 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: hammered because he ran the wrong way and didn't go 214 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: where the line was blocking. But I'm just saying, by 215 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: very best high school friends that I grew up with, 216 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: dear friends who I loved, were dyslexic. And I know 217 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: all too well that despite their outwood bravado and everything, 218 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: the subconsciousness and the fear of the future and so 219 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: much of what was going on inside of them because 220 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: they were smart kids, yeah, but whose eyes were screwed 221 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: up and they just couldn't read because of dyslexia. Or 222 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: when they looked at a math equation, it looked like 223 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: Swahili to them because the function between their eyes and 224 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: their brains didn't work. And if it wasn't for that school, 225 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: I don't know where a lot of those kids would 226 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: have ended up. So that's my dissertation. I've spoken too long, 227 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: but I understood you refused to accept that dyslexia was 228 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: going to slow down your girls. 229 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: So my sister said, I stopped being fun when I 230 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: learned how to read. 231 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: That's funny. 232 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: I love to read so much. And one of my daughters, 233 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: the oldest one, she loved to be read to. And 234 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, and she looks like me. I mean, 235 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: you know she. 236 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: Does. 237 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: She looks like me. She doesn't think she does, but 238 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: everybody else does. And so she said, I thought she 239 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: was going to be just like me, but she wasn't. 240 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: Both girls have their birthdays in the summer, and so 241 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: I decided we had a free year. So I was 242 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: going to homeschool for that free year instead of sending 243 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: her to school. And you know, she kind of struggled 244 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: with that part, but the rest of it, anywhere I 245 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: was reading to her and those things. She loved that 246 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: and the next year, the neighbor girl came over and 247 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: I did first grade with neighbor girl and Caroline in 248 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: the morning, and then I did I did. Then the 249 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 2: neighbor girl went to kindergarten in the afternoon, and I 250 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: taught her to read. But Caroline was struggling and she 251 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: was so upset and it was a fanatic and we 252 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: were working and I thought this, why is it so hard? 253 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: But we have this wonderful reading center in Rochester, and 254 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 2: I took her there. And funny thing is, my sister 255 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: is was an LD teacher and she said, oh, she 256 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: had read with her at Christmas. I don't think you 257 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: need to take her because she's not as bad as 258 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: some of the kids I see. And I thought, but 259 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 2: she shouldn't be. I'm working one on one with her. 260 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: So I made the arrangements to get her tested. And 261 00:17:54,440 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: I called my parents and I said, I know my 262 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: youngest brother has an LD. What is it? And my 263 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: dad goes, oh, he's dyslexic, So am I. 264 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: There it is? 265 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: There? It is? Oh yeah, And my brother goes, I 266 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: always knew I was, but nobody ever used those words 267 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: with me. 268 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: He just struggled. 269 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: He just struggled. Yeah, and my dad he got his 270 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: masters in physical science and taught at a college level, 271 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: but my mom typed all of his papers and she 272 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: took care of his spelling for him. 273 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: Really, isn't that interesting because. 274 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 2: He graduated from college after I was born, and he 275 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: got his masters when we were in elementary school. 276 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: So wow, So your daughters. 277 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there they are. And I took her in 278 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: to be tested and they said, you know, her, her 279 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: scores are so low, we don't think she'll ever read fluently. 280 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there like I've been kicked to the stomach, 281 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 2: and I thought, that is not going to happen. We 282 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: signed her up, got her tutoring, and I was working 283 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: with her at home and my husband goes, you know, 284 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: you could save us a lot of money if you 285 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: got trained, and I thought, okay. So I got trained. 286 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: And as I'm going through the training, I'm like, oh, 287 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: it's not just the one, it's the other one too. 288 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 2: And she has she had auditory processing issues too, which 289 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: meant that visually she didn't struggle as much as her sister. 290 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: But so much of what we process is coming in 291 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: through our ears, and if you're not comprehending what you 292 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 2: do there. One of the times we had attested, they said, 293 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: you know, she would just sit there, look pretty in 294 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: a classroom and not learn a thing because she would 295 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: be she would be quiet and polite, and she wouldn't 296 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: cause trouble because that's how she was. She's just the 297 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: sweetest little thing. 298 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: You know. What's sad is how many of those kids 299 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: in the forties and fifties and sixties and seventies, even 300 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: before dysluxias understood, were just considered quote slow. 301 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell mine they're not. I tell my kids 302 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: there are fast thinkers and thorough thinkers. I say, we 303 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 2: need both kinds of people. I say, we need fast 304 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: thinkers that are airline pilots. We need fast thinkers that 305 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: are you know, these different things. And I said, but 306 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: we need thorough thinkers that design the airplanes. I said, 307 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: thorough thinkers changed the world. And so my kids, the 308 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: ones that I work with, they say, I'm a thorough thinker. 309 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: Do you still work with kids with dyslexia? 310 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I counted up the other day. I volunteer in 311 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: classrooms and I'm not counting those, and I'm not counting 312 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: the ones that I teach in the reading club classes 313 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 2: that I teach. I've worked twent on one with around 314 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: forty kids. 315 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: That's phenomenal that it's not easy work. 316 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: No, it takes a lot of some of those kids 317 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: I've had for for like two hundred and fifty lessons 318 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: or so, I mean a long time. 319 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: What is a misconception about dyslexia You wish everybody really understood. 320 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's a visual memory problem. It's not a vision problem. 321 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: It's not like they see the things wrong. It can't 322 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: they you can't have a visual issue. But that's more 323 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 2: of an it teaming kind of issue that you'll have 324 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: problems with. It's a visual memory issue. So it's not 325 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: that they can't see the letters that are there. It's 326 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: not that they move around. It's that they can't remember 327 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: from one time to the next which side that you know, 328 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: Like you said, I've never understood that there's a memory. 329 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: Always thought like if we called thirty six power right 330 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: in the huddle, they just heard power left. 331 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: No right and left is really hard. So this is 332 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: the cool thing that they can do. So some people can. Well, 333 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: this is what my daughter says. She she said, you 334 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: mean everybody can't take an object and rotate it three 335 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: dimensionally in their brain. And I said, no, everybody can't 336 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: do that. There are occupations that have a high number 337 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: of dyslexics in them because they have to have those skills. 338 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: They have to have those those three dimensional skills in 339 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: their brain. So it's a really good thing. But you 340 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: have to teach you how to read so that they 341 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: can get there. So, like she was trained as an 342 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 2: ultrasound snographer, you have to have those three dimensional skills. 343 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: Now you don't. Some people they have those three dimensional 344 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: skills and they're not very dyslexic. You'll just see it 345 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: in spelling a little bit. Hers she really struggled. I mean, 346 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: but now, I mean she reads really well. She reads, 347 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: she loves to read, she loves to write. 348 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: How did that happen? 349 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 2: Dyslexics read in several different areas in their brain. They've 350 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: done MRIs that figured this out, and it's not very efficient. 351 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: But if you're a natural reader, you read in like 352 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: one area of your brain, and it makes it really 353 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: efficient to read. And you see a word two or 354 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: three times and then you like, I know that word, 355 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: you know, but they don't. She got so that she 356 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: could blend nonsense words as fast as people could read 357 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 2: real words because I worked with her all the time, 358 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: and my kids, some of them make gains. I had 359 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: one guy he just floored me. Now he's brilliant, of course, 360 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 2: but he went up five grade levels and reading comprehension 361 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: in one year. 362 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Wow, that's phenomenal. Yeah. So I guess Jabberwaukee Carol may 363 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: look different to them than me and you. 364 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they would they would just go through there 365 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: and they would just they would just be able to 366 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 2: read it because it's just all it's all jabberwakee. But 367 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: I mean Caroline, I would have her read something and 368 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: she would stumble through that thing, and then the next 369 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: time through it would be memorized. I'm like, really, I can't. 370 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: You know that's funny. 371 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Her husband is is rather brilliant, and he's dyslexic. 372 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: He also loves to read and does all those things 373 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: now too. But they you know, it was long term 374 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: work to get. 375 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: Them to that place, and you're still. 376 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: Doing yeah, but not with them, I know, but still yeah. Yeah, 377 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: I love those kids. They're so fun. 378 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. So notes caring for your own 379 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: dyslexic children and then using those talents to care for 380 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: other dyslexic children, bringing Dell's birth family in and becoming 381 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: family with them. You know, it's interesting that you found 382 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: our podcast and you've been really faithful about emailing us 383 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: when an episode moves you. I'm curious, has the role 384 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: an army of normal folks played a role in your life? 385 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: And can you share any examples of that. 386 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: Well, one day you did, you did an episode on 387 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: a woman who did who took bouquets and remade them 388 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 2: to go to go all these places. 389 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: One of the coolest Well, I hate saying that about 390 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: but I just thought it was so creative to take 391 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: old flowers and reuse them rather than throwing them in 392 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: the garbage. What was petals of purpose? 393 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was great. And and so like seven 394 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 2: years ago, I think, yeah, seven years ago, we moved 395 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 2: out to this this house where we live now because 396 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: we we needed we needed a little different space, and 397 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: we bought it from this woman who was a master gardener. 398 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 2: Now I'm okay at gardening. I'm not a master gardener. 399 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: The place had like nineteen gardens full of flowers. 400 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Wow. 401 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so so I take bouquets into work, I 402 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: take them to people. I've even taken them to the 403 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: lady that cuts my hair, and it turned out that 404 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: I mean, they're just flowers out of my garden, you know, 405 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: just I just make a little bookuay and take it places. 406 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: So I heard that and I thought, why, that's a 407 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: good idea, And she said, and the kids just love 408 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: helping doing that, And I thought, well, I would like 409 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 2: to take it places, but I know about how much 410 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: bandwidth I have, and. 411 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: It seems like you're pretty tapped already. 412 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that right now, I've got like ten students. 413 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: And that's like my husband calls it my paid volunteer 414 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: job because part of its volunteer and part of it's paid. 415 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: But he knows how much time goes into it, so it. 416 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: Don't do the hourly equation. 417 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: No, I don't because it wouldn't pay. Yeah, I wouldn't pay. 418 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 2: I know about how much I can do, and I 419 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: don't do more than I try to say no sometimes, 420 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: even though my husband isn't sure I know the word, 421 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 2: but I do help with this trailer at this trailer 422 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: park ministry, and the woman that's in charge of it, 423 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 2: she's actually I taught kindergarten Sunday School for years she 424 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 2: was one of my students. Now she's an adult and 425 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: she's doing that. So she had asked me if I 426 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: would do the crafts while she was on maternity leave, 427 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: and I said, okay, I think I can do that 428 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: and I can figure out things to do. And my 429 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: first time after hearing that, I filled buckets full of 430 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: flowers and my husband gets me this juice and they 431 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: come in these really cute bottles that look like vases. 432 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: So I saved them all because you can't throw away 433 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: anything useful, you know, and my parents for children of 434 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 2: the depression, right, I get it. So I have those 435 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: and I so I can give them away and nobody 436 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: has to return anything to me. So I took the bottles, 437 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: I took the flowers. Usually there's like four or five 438 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: kids that want to do crafts and all the rest 439 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: of them are playing games and doing things outside. Every 440 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: single kid wanted to make bouquets to take home. Every 441 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: single it was so cool. It was so cool, and 442 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: they got to pick their own, you know, they picked 443 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: out of the buckets whatever when they wanted. And then 444 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: I contacted a friend of mine who who runs a 445 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: has a girl's group, and I said would you be 446 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: interested in doing that. You can come out and pick 447 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: flowers and I've got vases for you. You could do it 448 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: as a service project. So I kind of offloaded onto 449 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: somebody else. 450 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: But that's cool, and that came from an idea from 451 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: an or fund. 452 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought of it otherwise. 453 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: You said something about the Tanya ray Piper thing, the 454 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: fire fighter cake lady. 455 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well she she does it to raise people. 456 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: Dropped a cake on this table and I ate it 457 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: with my. 458 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I heard it was very delicious, tasty. Yeah. 459 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: This this woman showed up in Memphis and brought her 460 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: cake making utensils and her luggage to make cakes while 461 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: she was here. Four five fighters and me. So cool, 462 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: Flower Charlotte. 463 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Minnesota. 464 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: Yea, Minnesota, Minnesota. I'm not from there, but I snow 465 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: right now. 466 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: Yea. 467 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: So tell us about the Tanya Rape Piper thing. 468 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: So I heard that and I thought, you know, she's 469 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: she's doing something that brings joy to them, and it's 470 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: food and I like to bake. But somebody told me 471 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: at work she said, well, my kitchen is under construction. 472 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: I haven't had a kitchen for months because there was 473 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: a flooding. And she says, it's just so hard because 474 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: I've had to her husband. She's a widow. Her husband 475 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: had died a few years ago, and she says, I 476 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: have to make all these decisions, and you know, it's 477 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: just so hard, and it's I can't make things to eat. 478 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: And I thought, I can make soup and bring it in. 479 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: So I have these little containers. I make soup, all 480 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: different kinds, just you know, whatever leftovers I have in 481 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: the fridge, make I make soup. And she says it's 482 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: been such a blessing. I just drop them off in 483 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: the freezer at work and she can eat them there, 484 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: she can take them home and she says it tastes 485 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: so good and they're healthy, and you know. And so 486 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: the other day there was somebody else she had surgery, 487 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: and she was a friend, and I said, I'll bring 488 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: you soup because they don't have to eat it right then, 489 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: they don't have to give anything back to me. It's 490 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: all it's ready to go, and it gives them, you know, 491 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 2: it gives them a little hope. 492 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: So simple, so easy. I love this one because it 493 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: ties to Dell a little bit. 494 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: Bishop Morton, Oh, I loved that story. I love it. Oh, 495 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: it's such a great story. And so I had heard 496 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: that and I thought, I have to take Dell to 497 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: the movie. And you know, as I said, the last 498 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: few years have been more hard than than sweet, and 499 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: the other years I think there was more sweet than hard. 500 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: There was both, but it's definitely more hard than sweet. 501 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: And I and we took him and he went with us, 502 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: which you know, that's that's that's always a. 503 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: Good teenager to go to the with their parents to 504 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: a movie is yeah, a big deal. 505 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: But the the two of those movies that you you did, 506 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: that both of them were kind of you know, they 507 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: were good fits for Dell to see both of them. 508 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: But that one he walked out and he said to me, 509 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: he said, they're like me. They're like me. And and 510 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: my niece has she was doing foster care and we 511 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: stopped by the first week that she had her foster daughter, 512 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: the first month, I guess first month. None of the 513 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 2: other family had met her. And we stopped by Dell 514 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 2: and I because they live they lived in Missouri and 515 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: we were driving back to Minnesota that she and Dell, 516 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: they're the same age, had a great time together and 517 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: she was telling everybody the next day, what a wonderful 518 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 2: time she had. And I thought, oh, she's seeing that 519 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: her life which she had. I mean, she's twelve, she's 520 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: in foster care. You know, l was really only in 521 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: foster care for it for like eighteen months a year 522 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: or so, well longer because it was longer until we 523 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: adopted him, but until he came into our house, it 524 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: was about a year. And I said, she sees it's 525 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: normal in our family, and it's made such a huge difference. 526 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: And they, you know, they eventually got her siblings and 527 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: adopted them, and they had a baby, and then they 528 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 2: adopted another siblings set, so now there's seven. 529 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and she's just one of them. Now she's 530 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: just one of them. But the point is, I think 531 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: it's awesome. It's almost a full circle moment that Dell 532 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: got something out of the movie that was on the podcast. Yeah, 533 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: and it made you know, I think that's really Oh. 534 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: It was he said that. He said, they're like me, Hey. 535 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: If anybody wants to watch it, it's Sound of Hope 536 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: and Brave the Dark. Watch it. 537 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Dark, Breath the Dark, and that one. 538 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, when my husband's going they have 539 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: the right license plates for that, because he was in 540 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania at that point in time. So he goes, hey, hey 541 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 2: had the right license plates. That's the right one. 542 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: That's funny. 543 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: And the car, of course was very attractive to you know, 544 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 2: he was you know, so they were good, you know, 545 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 2: he was he liked it, and and so they were 546 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 2: they were good things to take to take him to 547 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: that he could enjoy with his parents when he doesn't 548 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 2: always want to be with us. 549 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: Of course, we always challenge people to think of the 550 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: army as certainly, if someone starts something big and magnanimous, 551 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: that's wonderful, but the vast, vast, vast majority of us 552 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: are not going to do that. And the real gift 553 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: of the Army, in our opinion, is for people to 554 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: realize they don't need to start anything. They just need 555 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: to take a faith stuff, just try just do something, 556 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: even in little things. 557 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 558 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: Well, and it feels like that's what you've gotten. That's 559 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: exactly what you've gotten from it. 560 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 2: Oh, it is, it is. And like one day, well, 561 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 2: a woman in our church went to Cambodia and she thought, 562 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 2: she thought, oh, they told her that a lot of 563 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 2: these kids, if they don't get an education. They ended 564 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: up being trafficked, and she thought, what can I do. 565 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: I'm just a widow, But she started, she started selling 566 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: things in order to pay for scholarships for these kids 567 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: in Cambodia. And so now this year they raised like 568 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars for scholarships one day sale. And so 569 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I can make things, but I wonder 570 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 2: what I could do that really adds that much to it. 571 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: So as I say, hey, we've got this yard, We've 572 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 2: got all these things. I was sick with COVID and 573 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: not very sick, but I had to stay in my 574 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 2: room and I was reading and I saw something about 575 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 2: be bomb And now I have this huge bed of 576 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 2: be bomb and I'm like, you can make tea out 577 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 2: of it. So I make be bomb T and I 578 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: sell it at the sale and I have I have 579 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 2: done scholarships for multiple kids. 580 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: Out of tea. 581 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: Out of tea. 582 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? 583 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 2: I'm not kidding, tea be bomb T. 584 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: You you're that's hilarious, that's awesome but also really funny. 585 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: And you thought of that sitting in your bed with COVID. Yeah, 586 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. We're going to kind of end 587 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: the interview where we start an interview with Dell. Sixteen 588 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 1: years after his adoption. Dell is now eighteen. He's becoming 589 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: a young man now he is what makes you most. 590 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 2: Proud, Well, this is the sweetest thing. It's how he 591 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 2: is with people, and he he loves people. And he 592 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 2: works at an independent living center during their dining. 593 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: Services, an eighteen year old does. 594 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he loves the people. 595 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: Wow, and really speaks to just how good natured at 596 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: the root and foundation of his soul he is. 597 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 2: Oh, he is, he is, and it's so sweet because 598 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 2: they really enjoy him too. But he had this friend 599 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 2: all through elementary school and then they graduated from eighth 600 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,479 Speaker 2: grade and the friend, this girl, moved and her mother 601 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 2: happened to be his band teacher, and she loved Dell 602 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: because he was he was so good with her daughter. 603 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 2: And I got a message that the mom was very ill, 604 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 2: and I said, Dell, you know, you might want to 605 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: contact your friend because her mom is sick. She had cancer. 606 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 2: And that's all I said. I didn't say anything more. 607 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 2: I didn't say I just gave him that. So a 608 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 2: while later he goes, well, you know, she says her 609 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 2: mom is doing this, she says, you know, so I 610 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 2: knew he was keeping up with her. The night her 611 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 2: mom died, Dell was the first person she called. And 612 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 2: he came into my room at midnight and said, Mom, 613 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 2: I'm going up to see her tomorrow. She needs she 614 00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 2: needs somebody. And when we went, Sherman and I took 615 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 2: Dell up to the funeral, but he had been up 616 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 2: to see her several times. We took him up to 617 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 2: the funeral and we were stopped by her dad saying, 618 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 2: thank you so much for Dell. He made such a difference. 619 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 2: And one of the teachers from the school said that 620 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 2: I volunteer in her classroom. She said the teacher, the 621 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 2: former teacher's brother came up to her and said, make 622 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 2: sure that Dell's parents know what a wonderful young man 623 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 2: he is, and that he notices when people are going 624 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 2: through things, and he is He's such a caring person. 625 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 2: You know, That's what I'm proud of. I mean, there 626 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 2: there are times when he drives me bananas, but people 627 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 2: are important to him and he sees he sees them 628 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 2: and he just walks into it. 629 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: Oh. 630 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 2: One teacher told us he walked into the room and 631 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 2: and he did this, you know, he just sat down 632 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 2: and and did that. And she says, of course, he's 633 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 2: known these kids all his life, and he said, no, 634 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 2: this is his first year in the school district because 635 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 2: we had moved. She goes, he didn't know anybody, you know, 636 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 2: so he just is like a magnet. He's got people, 637 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 2: you know, that's that's his thing. 638 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 1: What is it that you want del to know? That's 639 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: hard as a mom to say to him because he 640 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: doesn't listen. Because now he'll listen. 641 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 2: Maybe he'll listen, He'll to this. I want the best 642 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 2: for him, and I want him to learn to make 643 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 2: wise decisions, not just for the moment but for the future. 644 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 2: But I really am proud of how he is with people. 645 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 2: That is a gift and he didn't get it from 646 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: sermon or I. 647 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I feel like I don't want 648 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: to say thank you because it seems weird to say 649 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: thank you, But I want to celebrate you a little bit. No, 650 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: I really do. We constantly ask people to let their 651 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: passions and abilities meet at opportunity, and to stay consistent 652 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: and to do the little things and to be bottom up. 653 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: And you said yes when you're fifty with a dull laptop. 654 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: But you keep saying yes over and over again, and 655 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: you keep finding ways to say yes. And what's really 656 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: inspirational to Alex and me is you've said yes about 657 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: ten times based on episodes you've heard, and you've taken 658 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: your spin on it to do something good for people. 659 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: And then you stay in touch with folks with pictures 660 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,399 Speaker 1: of flowers just to say hello, and you just keep 661 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: saying yes. What do you want our your listeners to 662 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 1: hear about saying yes? 663 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 2: Well, when you say yes, it doesn't have to be forever. 664 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 2: I donated blood when I was when I was young 665 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 2: and single, and then I didn't do it for a 666 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 2: while because I had I had kids there and then 667 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 2: I had a friend just oh she just she died 668 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 2: a few years ago. But the platelets made a huge 669 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 2: difference for it, and so now I donate plateletts. You know, 670 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 2: it's one of those things that it might not be 671 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 2: yes forever, but it's yes for right now, and that. 672 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,240 Speaker 1: You're allowed to change your interest. 673 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I went to school to be 674 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 2: an engineer, not a teacher. My parents were teachers. I wasn't, 675 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 2: but I was a troubleshooter as an engineer and I'm 676 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 2: a troubleshooter. And what I'm doing now. 677 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 1: Alex stumbled upon the house. Yes, yeah, tell. 678 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 2: Us about the house, so DEL willgo. I love you Mom. 679 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 2: I say, I love you more. Then he says I 680 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 2: love you the most, and I say, nobo waybo and 681 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 2: he says, yes, bo weebo, what is that? It's just 682 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,720 Speaker 2: our thing and we've done it for a long time. 683 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 2: I noticed that he wasn't saying it because he's always 684 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 2: been very he He's a big hugger, he's always been 685 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 2: very affectionate, and you know, he was upset with me, 686 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 2: so he wasn't saying it. And I knew when things 687 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 2: were getting better because I started hearing I love you, Mom, 688 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 2: I love you more. 689 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 1: I think teenage boy are just supposed to be angry 690 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: half the time anyway, aren't they. 691 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were. We were clipping his wings. 692 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: Well, sometimes that's needed. 693 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 2: I told him, if you wanted, if you want to 694 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 2: parents that I weren't going to do that. You should 695 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 2: have picked different ones. 696 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: You should have sat in my lap. Yeah, listen, some 697 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: people sitting out there are going to be inspired by you. 698 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: If folks want to reach out to you, about adoption, 699 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: which I think you would be a fantastic resource on adoption, 700 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: or if someone's out there listening to us as a 701 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: child or a loved one or themselves are dyslexia and 702 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: would like to talk to you about the fact that 703 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: you went from a mom to a trained counselor. I 704 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: guess counselors rained. 705 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 2: They call them academic language therapists. 706 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: Okay, which is a tutor, but that's pretty oppressive. So 707 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: someone wants talk to you about adoption, dyslexia, or any 708 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: of the other things you've been inspired to do which 709 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: are awesome. How do they get in touch with you? 710 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 2: It's just my name with an M in the middle, 711 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 2: Charlotte M. Dance at gmail dot com. And then I've 712 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 2: made all these reading games that I use for my students. 713 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 2: They so that you can and I thought, you know, 714 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 2: it might be nice for people if they were working 715 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,919 Speaker 2: with young kids and reading and so on Facebook, it's 716 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 2: reading games. If you look for reading games, there's there's 717 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,320 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of them on there. 718 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: In your spare time, you developed reading games. 719 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, see, I teach. I teach a reading club 720 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 2: class for parents and children. I teach the parents how 721 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 2: to work with the kids that are that are struggling. 722 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 2: Some of them are dyslexic, some of them aren't, but 723 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 2: it helps them get more work at home, and it's 724 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 2: really fun to work with them. 725 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: How do you function on the obvious two and a 726 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: half hours of sleep you get every night. It's all 727 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: you can possibly sleep between making reading games and putting 728 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: flowers and vases and raising Dell and everything else you do. 729 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: There's no soup. 730 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cooking soup. I like to cook. It's Minnesota. 731 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 2: We have long winters. 732 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: I think that's okay. We'll just go with that. Charlotte, whatever, 733 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: Dell will be proud of your mom. She's fantastic. She's phenomenal. 734 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 1: In my goodness, You've meant a lot to a lot 735 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: of people, and you know, I think it goes without 736 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 1: saying you've served well. 737 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 2: And my dad said that you wouldn't be ministered to 738 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,439 Speaker 2: until you were ministering to others, and I think that's 739 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 2: so true. 740 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: It's pretty phenomenal, pretty phenomenal. Charlotte. Thank you for your tom, 741 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,239 Speaker 1: thanks for coming to Memphis, and thanks for all that 742 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: you do, and thanks for being such a loyal member 743 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: of the Army of normal folks. And even though we've 744 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: met Alex and I still want to see your occasional emails, 745 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: come over and just keep us up to date with 746 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: the things you do. 747 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 2: Okay, probably be the same old, Well, we like the 748 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 2: same old. Yeah, Dell is planning on going into the military, 749 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 2: so I won't have as many Dell stories, that's for sure. 750 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: Well, tell Dell to send us some emails. We'll read those. Two. 751 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, Thank you, and thank you for 752 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: joining us this week. If Charlotte Dance has inspired you 753 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: in general, or better yet, to take action by exploring adoption, 754 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: seeing how you can use your abilities to serve others, 755 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 1: like Charlotte did with dyslexia, thinking about how to bring 756 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: army and wisdom to your community, or something else entirely, 757 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: let me know I'd love to hear about it. You 758 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 1: can write me anytime at Bill at normal folks dot Us, 759 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: and I promise you I will respond. And that's how 760 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,800 Speaker 1: we got to know Charlotte Dance in the first place. 761 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this episode, share it friends and on 762 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: social subscribe to the podcast, rate and review it, Join 763 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: the Army at normal folks dot us. Any and all 764 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: of these things that will help us grow an army 765 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. Until next time, do 766 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: what you can