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Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets, Season one of Yellow Jackets, and the entire
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Speaker 1: Scream six, So be warned.
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Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight,
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Speaker 3: In this episode, previously, we're going to briefly talk about
Speaker 3: the news that came out about Jonathan Major's from over
Speaker 3: the weekend. In the Airlock, we'll be onto Yellowjackets Season
Speaker 3: two the premiere, where we will recap that very fun
Speaker 3: episode and maybe talk a little bit about some the
Speaker 3: horror that we've loved so far this year. In the
Speaker 3: Hive Mind, we're gonna have an interview with Scream six
Speaker 3: co writer Guy Busick, which I cannot wait for. And
Speaker 3: in the nerd Out, we've got a passionate plea from
Speaker 3: Lucas on the Monk and Robot series by Becky Chambers.
Speaker 1: We know there have been issues with the time stamps.
Speaker 1: We're working on that, but you can still check the
Speaker 1: show notes for those time stamps because they are there
Speaker 1: for you to reference. Coming up the previously on Okay,
Speaker 1: First up on the previously on. Some truly troubling news
Speaker 1: about Jonathan Major's came out over the weekend. Over the
Speaker 1: end of last week, per People magazine, which actually has
Speaker 1: the police report quote. On Monday, People obtained documents from
Speaker 1: the Manhattan District Attorney's office that show Major's thirty three,
Speaker 1: was charged with three counts of assault in the third degree,
Speaker 1: aggravated harassment in the second degree, three crowns of attempted
Speaker 1: assault in the third degree, and harassment in the second
Speaker 1: degree after he was arrested for an alleged domestic dispute
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Some of the fallout for this includes the
Speaker 1: Army pulling Majors from its ad campaign. The Army currently
Speaker 1: embroiled in issues regarding its own problems with assault, cross
Speaker 1: gender assault in its ranks violence, so kind of very
Speaker 1: bad association with that. We don't know much more than
Speaker 1: what is contained in the police support and we're waiting
Speaker 1: for information to emerge, but truly.
Speaker 3: Not good news.
Speaker 1: A statement from majors lawyer says the following that Jonathan
Speaker 1: Majors was quote the victim of an altercation with a
Speaker 1: woman he knows, and that the woman had recanted the accusation,
Speaker 1: and that video evidence and witness supported his account. The
Speaker 1: statement continues, mister Majors is entirely innocent and did not
Speaker 1: assault her whatsoever. And there was an earlier statement, I
Speaker 1: think not this one, in which the same rep said
Speaker 1: something to the effect of mister Major just looks forward
Speaker 1: to clearing his name completely, or something to that effect. Obviously,
Speaker 1: this is not good, not a lot of information to
Speaker 1: go on, and we're waiting for more information before we
Speaker 1: say more about it. But obviously troubling up. Next, Yellowjackets,
Speaker 1: we're stepping out of the airlock for the season two
Speaker 1: premiere of Yellow Jackets on the beleaguered Showtime network.
Speaker 3: Be Lee Good. If you tried to watch it this weekend,
Speaker 3: you may agree with that statement.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that for a brief second before
Speaker 1: we get into the recap. Originally the show was supposed
Speaker 1: to come out at a certain date, but then it
Speaker 1: turned out not to be the date. What happened there?
Speaker 3: My understanding is that the show was released on streaming
Speaker 3: on the Showtime app as they advertise on the twenty fourth,
Speaker 3: but the premiere date, as promoted multiple times, was Sunday
Speaker 3: the twenty sixth, which is when it is airing on
Speaker 3: the Showtime network, going up against succession on broadcast. It
Speaker 3: was unclear at best, but I will shout out to
Speaker 3: the discord once again because so many people went in
Speaker 3: there and were like, guys, I just want to let
Speaker 3: you know you can watch it right now, and luckily
Speaker 3: the internet new and now everyone can watch it, and
Speaker 3: we have confirmed that that will be the release schedule
Speaker 3: going forward. You will always be able to watch it
Speaker 3: on the Showtime app on streaming on the Friday, and
Speaker 3: on Sunday, you can watch it on old school cable
Speaker 3: and we will be talking about it on our Wednesday episodes.
Speaker 2: Oh folks, and it's a lot to talk.
Speaker 3: WHOA Okay, so it's me Rosie. You can hear my voice,
Speaker 3: not Jason's voice. Shocking twist, just like this episode is
Speaker 3: full of. This episode of Yellowjackets has an unbelievable name
Speaker 3: that you will surely laugh or cry about once you
Speaker 3: see the final scene of the episode. It is called Friends, Romans, Countrymen,
Speaker 3: written by Ashley Lyle and Bart Nickerson. The two of
Speaker 3: the showrunners and directed by Daisy von Schirlemeier. Welcome back
Speaker 3: to the Wilderness, Baby. The girls are trying to survive
Speaker 3: a harsh winner and it is not going well. It's
Speaker 3: not going well. Travis and that have taken on the
Speaker 3: roles of full time hunter gatherers, which we kind of
Speaker 3: saw teased in the last season. But while that seems sensible,
Speaker 3: they are also entrenched in Lottie's strange wilderness rituals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Lottie, who you may remember nearly led
Speaker 1: a cannibalistic murder and sexual assault. Very came very very
Speaker 1: close to happening. Well, the sexual assault thing, I think
Speaker 1: you could argue did.
Speaker 3: Happened ther The murder only was stopped by nat who
Speaker 3: stopped Shahna from splitting Travis's throat open with a knife.
Speaker 1: And Ladie is continuing down their paths of Now, remember
Speaker 1: she has gone off her medication. She's neurodivergent in some fashion,
Speaker 1: bipolar or I forget.
Speaker 3: Which was unclear. I believe that. I believe Internet sleuths
Speaker 3: saw that her medication was currently used. It was regularly
Speaker 3: used for people who have schizophrenia. I will also note
Speaker 3: that the mysterious nature of the show. We also know
Speaker 3: that Lottie has had visions that have come true, and
Speaker 3: there is a chance that potentially she is medicated for
Speaker 3: reasons unknown, and we kind of see that her parents
Speaker 3: have a distant relationship with their daughter and her mental health.
Speaker 3: But basically, I'm going to tell you she's not doing
Speaker 3: very well because when Travis and Travis then Nat go out,
Speaker 3: she makes him drink a tea that has her blood
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 1: Right, not to mention the fact that if you, you know,
Speaker 1: if your schizophrenic and you go off your meds, you
Speaker 1: definitely shouldn't medicate with mushrooms, which is a thing that
Speaker 1: happened and could be have very adverse effects.
Speaker 3: Also, dropping off dropping off any meds is like a
Speaker 3: recipe for disaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not good.
Speaker 1: I will say, to your point about her medication and
Speaker 1: her parents, I am eager to raise the possibility that
Speaker 1: there is some kind of deeper conspiracy going on.
Speaker 2: But I'll get to I'll raise that.
Speaker 3: Get that I love, We'll get to that. So it's
Speaker 3: the really interesting thing here is Travis kind of embraces it.
Speaker 3: He drinks the blood tea, he goes for it and
Speaker 3: you're starting to see where we stand two months later. Now,
Speaker 3: Nat is not about this shit. She says, it's not
Speaker 3: like this wicker bullshit is doing us good. But as
Speaker 3: Lly points out, they keep coming back from the woods alive.
Speaker 3: So drink that blood and head out on the way.
Speaker 3: She's like, is it working? And then you know we're
Speaker 3: going to get a kind of this is foreshadowing or
Speaker 3: we were right moment here we see Lottie draw the
Speaker 3: strange symhol that we now know is the symbol of
Speaker 3: her modern day cult. But before that very interesting moment here,
Speaker 3: we skipped to a year we haven't seen before, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight and he's come home. Yep, it's a press frenzy,
Speaker 3: like absolute madness at the airport. They are not thinking
Speaker 3: about these children's mental health in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: They are absolutely raiding her, and no surprise is Lottie
Speaker 3: is dealing with it worse than anyone. She is silent,
Speaker 3: she won't talk. Her parents say she barely eats, and
Speaker 3: we immediately see them take her to the doctor. They
Speaker 3: request that they want her to be fixed, and soon
Speaker 3: she's getting electric shock therapy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so in this scene, when you know we're watching
Speaker 1: the news reports of them coming back to civilization after
Speaker 1: their rescue. Somewhere in the woods, we hear the reporter
Speaker 1: say that they were the plane crashed eight hundred miles
Speaker 1: off of the plight the flight path like that it was.
Speaker 1: It was in a place where no one was even looking,
Speaker 1: leading me to ask, what is going on here? There's
Speaker 1: another plane there, there's like that part of the woods.
Speaker 1: There's something weird going on there, and what would lead
Speaker 1: the plane to be over there in the first case?
Speaker 3: So you're asking the important questions. One I will say,
Speaker 3: as a as a devout hater of Loti's parents from
Speaker 3: the first season and in the second season, I will say,
Speaker 3: I think there's a very sad, logical reason which I
Speaker 3: don't think is going to be the answer, but I'll
Speaker 3: cover it. First, Loy's dad hired that plane. Loyi's dad
Speaker 3: hated having a kid with mental health. I think there's
Speaker 3: a very good chance that that was a way for
Speaker 3: him to get rid of this kid that he saw
Speaker 3: as a burden. But I think the reason you're asking
Speaker 3: important questions is because the reality is, as we see
Speaker 3: in this episode, we're really getting into lost territory here,
Speaker 3: let's talk about it. We're talking about Bermuda Triangle, people
Speaker 3: getting potentially lost, planes ending up in this strange space.
Speaker 3: Something is drawing people here, and I don't think Lottie
Speaker 3: was wrong to say that the forest is trying to
Speaker 3: keep them there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: And well, in the modern day, we see Lotty at
Speaker 3: her wellness retreat aka a cult. Yes, it's a cult,
Speaker 3: And in an interview that I wrote up at IGN,
Speaker 3: the creators kind of talked about how they were inspired
Speaker 3: by real wellness leaders and kind of people who had
Speaker 3: used their platforms to end up creating cults around them.
Speaker 3: It's called Camp Green Pine. Now I just have to
Speaker 3: say something. It looks like the wilderness where they were lost, right,
Speaker 3: But she literally looks like she's just gone back to
Speaker 3: where they crashed.
Speaker 1: I am saying. I think when Lartie came back, part
Speaker 1: of the reason why she was talking is because she
Speaker 1: fucking loved it out there. She was in her element,
Speaker 1: she was having a great time, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, she's back in this place she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be. And it's I think quite fitting that it
Speaker 1: appears that she has created a life that allows her to.
Speaker 2: Return to that energy.
Speaker 1: I completely And you know what, the pink and moive
Speaker 1: and purple choor jackets are pretty nice, pretty nice. Always
Speaker 1: beware when when these wellness people start wearing the same shit.
Speaker 3: Yes, when it starts that you have a uniform, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna go chadly, it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Go a matter.
Speaker 3: And she's giving like a speech that I think really
Speaker 3: speaks to your point, which is she's talking about like
Speaker 3: primal selves and how we all we can only help ourselves,
Speaker 3: no one else can help us. And then she says
Speaker 3: something really interesting again I think leads into our lost theory,
Speaker 3: where she basically says it doesn't matter because it isn't real,
Speaker 3: and everyone just starts screaming it isn't real, it isn't real,
Speaker 3: and you're like, not good, No good sounds bad. And
Speaker 3: after that very good Nightties credit sequence, which if you
Speaker 3: want to, you can go through at half speed and
Speaker 3: find many clips that will occur later in the season,
Speaker 3: just like they did in season one. I did an
Speaker 3: analysis at IGN about it. We come to a shocking revelation,
Speaker 3: which is that Shawner is being interviewed by the police
Speaker 3: about Adam's murder and they're asking very questions because guess what,
Speaker 3: it's not the police, it's Misty' Misty with a voice
Speaker 3: Transforpreme style voice transformer.
Speaker 1: And again you have to say, here, okay, so Missy
Speaker 1: one of my favorite characters in recent TV history, one
Speaker 1: of the most for my money, one of the most
Speaker 1: original characters you know, that I've ever seen on television.
Speaker 1: She is chaos, she is amoral. She is you know,
Speaker 1: if you had to put her in a slot, you'd
Speaker 1: say she's a villain.
Speaker 3: She's a murderer. We've seen her kill people.
Speaker 2: She's a murderer.
Speaker 1: She is probably the reason they were not rescued from
Speaker 1: the woods a lot, because she destroyed the the transmitter.
Speaker 1: She made them all trip on mushrooms, on and on
Speaker 1: and on and on. But she's also right about everything.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm so glad you brought this up because one
Speaker 3: Samantha Hanray Christina Ricci unbelievable. I have to say both.
Speaker 3: All of the casting in this show is like unreal
Speaker 3: how much they managed to get two different actors to
Speaker 3: portray the same character and make it believable. But I
Speaker 3: told I'm so glad you brought this up because this
Speaker 3: episode especially proves they would be fucked without mystique, they
Speaker 3: were fucked. She looked, Okay, did she break the black
Speaker 3: box there? Yes, I have, I will. I will admit that.
Speaker 3: But they probably wouldn't have survived even the two weeks
Speaker 3: it took for them to rescue them, if they if
Speaker 3: she hadn't. Without her, she was the one who knew
Speaker 3: the weird survivalist ship. She knew how to court her
Speaker 3: as a wound. She is indispensable in the narrative world
Speaker 3: that they have created. And I love that that continues
Speaker 3: now because they had to call her to dispose of
Speaker 3: Adam's body. Now she's training, she's training, sure, not on
Speaker 3: how to stop, not not tell the police everything because
Speaker 3: Sean's gonna.
Speaker 1: She's gonna Sean is gonna need that tree. And it
Speaker 1: goes Natalie would have relapsed addiction if not.
Speaker 3: And we will get to that too, because Natalie would
Speaker 3: also have just disappeared off the face of the earth,
Speaker 3: and no one would have cared. And if you're questioning
Speaker 3: whether Misty's only doing this because she loves, you know,
Speaker 3: murder and terrible things. No, she even made Sanna a giant. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she made Shanna a giant cookie that said, let me
Speaker 3: speak to my lawyer. She was like, she is a
Speaker 3: true friend and in the world of yellow Jackets, she
Speaker 3: is indispensable, even as like a crazy serial killer. You're
Speaker 3: lucky to have her on side, absolutely, and they do
Speaker 3: not respect that. Seanna's kind of like boy and her
Speaker 3: off and she wants to go back home, and she's like,
Speaker 3: we're fine, nothing's gonna happen. Tysa is struggling because her
Speaker 3: wife found her bloodshot shrine at the end of last year,
Speaker 3: which we'll talk about more, because I think they're playing
Speaker 3: a very interesting game with the way we perceive whether
Speaker 3: Tye really knows what's going on. But that comes to
Speaker 3: a head outside of her son's school, where she tries
Speaker 3: to drop off a new dog, Steve, and love Steve.
Speaker 3: He's so cute, it was I was a big fan
Speaker 3: of this. Steve is actually also the best name, the
Speaker 3: name of the best character in the Missile movie.
Speaker 2: I hope Steve makes it for the entire s me too.
Speaker 3: I love Steve, and I'm sure this is going to
Speaker 3: come into play. But her wife basically says like, if
Speaker 3: you don't drop out of office and get some help,
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to the press, and another way biggest.
Speaker 2: As she should as should as.
Speaker 1: Shrine blood shrine, and I'd be could you imagine if
Speaker 1: you saw your potentially like psychotic ex who decapitated your
Speaker 1: pet and created a weird like blood religious shrine in
Speaker 1: your basement all of a sudden that you're divorcing yees
Speaker 1: of a sudden like trying to pick up your child.
Speaker 3: I think the most unsettling thing about that is not
Speaker 3: the fact that she made it, though that is obviously horrific,
Speaker 3: but also you'd have to deal with the existential horror
Speaker 3: of the fact that it seemed to have worked because
Speaker 3: Tis was gonna lose the election, and then she did
Speaker 3: that and now she's a senator. Nat is nowhere to
Speaker 3: be seen in the modern day. Of course, we know
Speaker 3: she got kidnapped by Lottie's cult, and sure not is
Speaker 3: just like unbelievably chill about the fact she killed a
Speaker 3: man and is now covering it out very badly. In
Speaker 3: a very cool moment, Misty basically like seeks out the
Speaker 3: truth on her true crime boards to see if any
Speaker 3: citizen detectives are going to uncover what happened in Adam's death,
Speaker 3: and it does look like a faceless yet recognizable voice
Speaker 3: of Elijah Woods may be coming closer to the truth
Speaker 3: than Misty would like. So we're gonna get that Ice
Speaker 3: Storm reunion sooner.
Speaker 1: And I will say, as a person who spends a
Speaker 1: lot of time on the unsolved mysteries read it. The
Speaker 1: voicing of this, like the post itself in the styling,
Speaker 1: felt very very much what you would say.
Speaker 3: One I was like, this is and I loved how
Speaker 3: in sync they are. There's this kind of that It's
Speaker 3: written as a telegram something stop stop and Misty's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is getting tired. And at the
Speaker 3: same time he writes this is getting tired, like I'm
Speaker 3: tired of this. They're they're in sync already. And I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if we saw Misty finally find a
Speaker 3: romantic I was going to.
Speaker 1: Say attraction absolutely feel the same way that it feels
Speaker 1: like that's.
Speaker 3: She's going to have to like team up with him
Speaker 3: to pretend that they're solving the murder, but really she's
Speaker 3: going to be stopping him. I mean it sounds delightful.
Speaker 3: Sadly things are not delightful. In nineteen ninety six, where
Speaker 3: the Rations are running low, which seems like it's going
Speaker 3: to play into the further cannibal story arc that we
Speaker 3: will inevitably be getting to. If you remember the first
Speaker 3: episode of the first season where we saw the girls
Speaker 3: eating some kind of meat in these strange cult costumes. Now,
Speaker 3: good news turns out Jackie did survive her night in
Speaker 3: the forest because Shawna is playing mash with her and
Speaker 3: they're kind of talking about how she's gonna be married
Speaker 3: to Jeff, and it seems great, Oh no, that's not
Speaker 3: the case, dun center, Jackie is dead.
Speaker 1: She's targeting to a flat out frozen gray corpse that
Speaker 1: is like horrific to look at.
Speaker 3: And for some reason, I would say trauma, grief, and
Speaker 3: immense amounts of guilt. Shanna, now, as Marie mentions, just
Speaker 3: chills in the meat shed with Jackie's dead body and
Speaker 3: then comes out with like like rations and says, oh,
Speaker 3: I was getting these, but everyone knows. She's just kind
Speaker 3: of SnO, yeah, and they really dissect they play games together.
Speaker 3: We see it's this very fun Norman Bates esque situation
Speaker 3: where Shawna is talking about all the things she's guilty
Speaker 3: about how her and Jeff got together. You know, the
Speaker 3: future that she wants to have it. It's really sad
Speaker 3: and Sophie Nellie's is so good, Like again, great costing.
Speaker 3: You really feel like that's young Melanie Lynsky.
Speaker 1: There's with Jackie and Shawna and then Shawna as an adult,
Speaker 1: and there's something really interesting here about like sexuality and
Speaker 1: the sense of like attraction, the things that turn a
Speaker 1: person on but also shame. Yeah, certainly in the in
Speaker 1: adult Shauna's life. We see this later in the episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her and Jeff. You know, she she kind of allows
Speaker 1: herself to be vulnerable about the things that.
Speaker 3: Turn her on.
Speaker 1: And it's very interesting because, you know, Jackie and Jeff.
Speaker 1: The issue there was that Jackie was not ready to
Speaker 1: have sex with Jeff and and Shaana you could say,
Speaker 1: kind of use that as a way to kind of
Speaker 1: pull Jeff into her web. And the way that represents
Speaker 1: in in Shawna's psyche is really fascinating.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I think that's such a great point. I
Speaker 3: loved that moment where she's taught that her and Jackie
Speaker 3: are arguing about it. Jackie says it was because the
Speaker 3: reason we argued was because I wouldn't sleep with him
Speaker 3: you know, And Shawna says, oh, I'm so sorry I
Speaker 3: didn't know, because it's just her psyche. Jackie goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: you did. And it's this great kind of personal argument
Speaker 3: about the way you can repress things that you're ashamed
Speaker 3: of and things that you did. And also I feel like,
Speaker 3: for the first time in this episode, we get it
Speaker 3: with a little bit with Van and Tye in the wilderness,
Speaker 3: and we get it here the kind of reminder of
Speaker 3: how different things were in the nineties about sex, especially
Speaker 3: for young women, about being queer or about being sexually active.
Speaker 3: But anyway, you know what, that doesn't matter because what
Speaker 3: ultimately ends up happening is that Shawna does not learn
Speaker 3: something from this. Shawna gets angry at her own psyche
Speaker 3: and her own dead best friend and knocks her over,
Speaker 3: knocking off Jackie's ear, which will set on a domino
Speaker 3: effect to the final moments of this episode that you
Speaker 3: will not believe. So, you know what, instead of just
Speaker 3: leaving it there in the meat shed, she puts it
Speaker 3: in her pocket.
Speaker 1: And I question, I questioned the decision making, but I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 3: Is chaos in Shana is this is what I love
Speaker 3: about this episode, and I love how the beginning of
Speaker 3: this season I feel like it was close to it
Speaker 3: at the end because Shorna killed Adam, but they kind
Speaker 3: of made narrative allowances. By the end of this episode,
Speaker 3: I'm like, sure that is the chaos cyclone that everything
Speaker 3: else happens around.
Speaker 1: I agree, thing bad. She is like a high functioning freak,
Speaker 1: you know, she puts she has this facade of the
Speaker 1: regular wife and mother, you know, living this kind of
Speaker 1: upper middle class suburban life, like after the terrible things
Speaker 1: had happened, yeah, because of the crash and when she
Speaker 1: was teenager, But in reality, inside she is just a mess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's I think that's why the show speaks
Speaker 3: to so many people, because there's so many great moments
Speaker 3: about like the perception Shana is the unsatisfied suburban housewife
Speaker 3: but she wouldn't hurt anyone. But in that first season,
Speaker 3: you ever just kill that rabbit who's in her garden.
Speaker 3: She has this violence and this fury in her that
Speaker 3: she may hide better than someone like Misty, but it's
Speaker 3: still there and it makes these characters just ultimately compelling.
Speaker 1: And Misty knows who she is, like her lies come
Speaker 1: from the fact that she knows who she's and she
Speaker 1: needs to hide it right, and she understands that, she
Speaker 1: understands how the world would reject her. Shauna is Shauna
Speaker 1: hates her life, hates everything about her life, how normal
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: She has always kind of we see her she's.
Speaker 3: Scared of becoming her mom and marrying Jeff, living that
Speaker 3: suburban life when she's a teen, but that's exactly what
Speaker 3: happens to her.
Speaker 1: And so she's always kind of craved a more kind
Speaker 1: of dangerous existence, but at the same time been afraid
Speaker 1: to like go after it, and so she is drawn
Speaker 1: to these situations that could just blow up her life,
Speaker 1: Like that is the thing she can that's such a
Speaker 1: good way. Often is like anything that could absolutely melt
Speaker 1: her entire life down, destroy everything, turned her daughter against her,
Speaker 1: turn her husband against her, in prison, put her in prison,
Speaker 1: that is the stuff that attracts her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we actually we get a great glimpse of
Speaker 3: that too, because we start to see that Shanna isn't
Speaker 3: actually that bothered about covering up Adam's murder at all,
Speaker 3: and she is out of all the girls in the nineties,
Speaker 3: she is dealing with the crash the worst. At this point,
Speaker 3: Misty she's doing okay. She's a little bit upset that
Speaker 3: she's been cut off from cooking Jewy, seeing as she
Speaker 3: poisoned everyone with mushrooms, and not only that, but purposefully
Speaker 3: poisoned assistant coach Ben. This is also interesting here because
Speaker 3: we basically get a look at the JV squad, who
Speaker 3: were barely in the last season. You might have seen
Speaker 3: a couple of them ends, but now they take sent
Speaker 3: a stage, including a new cast member who plays this
Speaker 3: kind of theater love of Crystal, who's humming a lot
Speaker 3: and annoying everyone and breaking into song. Very good, weird,
Speaker 3: sketchy character. I love her. And the best thing is
Speaker 3: that we get this moment here that kind of shows
Speaker 3: that her and Misty might become friends as long as
Speaker 3: Misty doesn't mind like harmonizing with her. Yes, And it's
Speaker 3: like the offers too good for Misty to turn down
Speaker 3: as someone who's always seeking out friendship and who has
Speaker 3: yet to find any kind of friend in this kind
Speaker 3: of terrified extremely hard. Yeah, And I think that's one
Speaker 3: of the things Richie does so well here is she
Speaker 3: she puts across this desperation this like trying too hard.
Speaker 3: That makes you understand why it might push people away,
Speaker 3: But it's incredibly empathetic and feels just really sad. It's
Speaker 3: such a great nuanced performance that manages to be scary
Speaker 3: and hilarious and sad and compassionate and creepy. It's so good.
Speaker 3: And in the last two that we kind of catch
Speaker 3: up with in the past of Van and Tye, who
Speaker 3: this is very interesting to me. I guess I hadn't
Speaker 3: really realized until this episode that their romance was entirely
Speaker 3: secret from the other girls. This is something that they
Speaker 3: are keeping. We hear girls reference Oh why are they
Speaker 3: always hanging out? Exactly? Are they talking about their boyfriends?
Speaker 3: All this kind of stuff. I found that to be
Speaker 3: very interesting because I think that's setting up a potential
Speaker 3: future conflict, and also it separates them off from the
Speaker 3: rest of the group, which bodes badly because ty has
Speaker 3: been having these violent nighttime outbursts. She's been hurting Van,
Speaker 3: she's been climbing up trees, she's been eating dirt, and
Speaker 3: it's gotten to the point where Van and Tye now
Speaker 3: sleep in the attic with their arms tied together by rope.
Speaker 3: So it's a desperate situation, but they love each other.
Speaker 3: They will only continue. They will only continue, continue to
Speaker 3: get more done. And let's be real, we know Van
Speaker 3: is a said immortal. She survived that plane crash. Apparently
Speaker 3: she survived getting more by a wolf. She is our
Speaker 3: immortal gay and I love her.
Speaker 2: X Ray Vision will be back.
Speaker 3: And we're back in the present. In one of my
Speaker 3: funniest moment. I've watched this episode so many times at
Speaker 3: this point because of writing different stuff about it and
Speaker 3: watching it for the pod and everything. So Jeff's failing
Speaker 3: business that he had to go to a loan shark
Speaker 3: for yeah, is now doing exceptionally well since his life murdered.
Speaker 3: Like he answers the phone he's talking about this is McDonald's,
Speaker 3: because I'm selling six pieces like crazy. This man is
Speaker 3: loving life and the business is doing great since Shawna
Speaker 3: murdered Adam, which I'm saying is a blood sacrifice that
Speaker 3: went right.
Speaker 1: I can't say yeah, I can't say. I am holding
Speaker 1: to the idea that most of this stuff is just
Speaker 1: kind of like in the eye of the beholder exactly.
Speaker 1: It is really interesting, right, all of a sudden, his
Speaker 1: business has just gone through the roofs. There's so many
Speaker 1: people that the guts.
Speaker 3: It's it's really fun because that's what I think I'm
Speaker 3: loving the most about returning to this world is they're
Speaker 3: giving us so much power in our subjectivity. Is it supernatural?
Speaker 3: Is it not?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 3: But after like the fourth time I watched the episode,
Speaker 3: I was like, shit, why is just business going well?
Speaker 3: I was like, this seems like it wasn't intentional. But
Speaker 3: apparently in this world, if you just murder someone, like
Speaker 3: something good's gonna happen to you. Speaking of weird culture
Speaker 3: in the past, we kind of learned that Travis is
Speaker 3: just completely consumed by the quest to find his brother Harvey.
Speaker 3: That we last saw him on the Doom's Coming night
Speaker 3: where he missed where he ran away after they were
Speaker 3: trying to orgy murder his brother, and I mean troubling thing.
Speaker 2: And I understand it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we get his feeling. I mean this is
Speaker 3: ironically I kind of love that they wrote this into
Speaker 3: the plot. It makes sense because it's his brother, but
Speaker 3: it's also the thing that every viewer wants to know,
Speaker 3: where is Harvey? Where is Harvey? Harvey wasn't Adam. They
Speaker 3: did say they'd considered in the creators said that in
Speaker 3: season one they'd considered Harvey being Adam and Adam being Harvey,
Speaker 3: but they decided not to do it. So where is he?
Speaker 3: Is he still alive? Did he die in the wilderness?
Speaker 3: Travis is like seeing dead foxes and thinking it's his brother.
Speaker 3: It's it's Nats like supporting him. She's going out and
Speaker 3: searching for Harvey every day, even though it's winter and
Speaker 3: it seems unlikely that he would be in any way alive.
Speaker 3: But this is a show where people can survive a
Speaker 3: wolf attack.
Speaker 1: And everybody, everybody, I think he's alive simply because everyone
Speaker 1: is like, there's no way, yeah, exactly. Like the amount
Speaker 1: of people telling him that there's no way he's alive
Speaker 1: tells me that he's got to be exactly.
Speaker 3: And in a very weird moment, Lotty gives him like
Speaker 3: a saucy boner inducing fireside vision when he's having a
Speaker 3: panic attack. She like puts her hand on his chest
Speaker 3: and shows him this tree stump that is kind of
Speaker 3: pulsing with life, and she says, Harvey's okay, And obviously
Speaker 3: NAT's like, fuck you, like say less, you can't say
Speaker 3: that shit that. She's like say a lot fucking less
Speaker 3: actually like, yeah, this is bad. You can't say that
Speaker 3: to him, but that again to me, I am. I
Speaker 3: believe that we could see at at Harvey this season,
Speaker 3: and I believe he may well be with Lotty.
Speaker 2: Yeah she could have.
Speaker 3: She's she seems to have some kind of uh, survival
Speaker 3: instincts within this forest. Like you said, it's somewhere that
Speaker 3: she feels like she's thriving. Maybe there's somewhere that she's
Speaker 3: hidden him away, or she's kind of keeping him secluded
Speaker 3: and you know, inverted commas safe. We also learn something
Speaker 3: interesting here again which I think really leads into the
Speaker 3: lost of it All, which is like Nat while she
Speaker 3: is helping Travis for his brother, is actually like making
Speaker 3: a map and marking out the territory where they are.
Speaker 3: It's good, and she's you know, she's using topological like
Speaker 3: sketches to show mountains and she's doing this in secret
Speaker 3: with Coach Ben. But there are like weird things about it,
Speaker 3: like they're not finding any game, the animals are just gone,
Speaker 3: and it kind of it's a very big map. So
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna start to see some hints that
Speaker 3: maybe everything is not what it seems but like you said,
Speaker 3: it's all about perception.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is gonna end up being some
Speaker 1: like top secret former military installation like X Men two,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or like like Strikers, like Strikers,
Speaker 1: like facility that created mutants, like for in Canada, something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: That's like the belagued showtime. They're like, you know what
Speaker 3: we need, we need roverin. We're just putting him in.
Speaker 3: This is this is old man, Jonathan, he's been living
Speaker 3: it now. I think you're right though, like essentially some
Speaker 3: kind of X Men to Stranger Things kind of situation
Speaker 3: where it's like, this is a weird military base. There's
Speaker 3: a reason your plane would end up there. There's a
Speaker 3: reason there was another plane there. There's a reason there's
Speaker 3: a cabin there, you know, and there's a reason why
Speaker 3: you're eight hundred miles away. I think that could be
Speaker 3: a very interesting and quite likely twist, you know what,
Speaker 3: even if that was the truth. Then some of the
Speaker 3: girls got out, and somehow one of them was Shauna,
Speaker 3: who is a true fool, Like I am everyday mad
Speaker 3: at Shanna. She kept Adam's belongings. She said to Misty,
Speaker 3: she destroyed everything. But actually she's like looking emotionally at
Speaker 3: his ID card. She's dreaming of going to prison, like
Speaker 3: and she's like calling up Jeff at his very successful
Speaker 3: furniture business and she's like, hey, we got to destroy
Speaker 3: Adam's things, including his art studio where I definitely never
Speaker 3: went and definitely didn't have sex with him or kill him.
Speaker 3: And I heard it some wear close, So let's.
Speaker 2: Go what now. I think that Shawna is so repressed.
Speaker 1: Because this is such a bad idea, like so bad,
Speaker 1: Like this is like such a bad idea annals.
Speaker 3: Of bad ideas that have been and bad plans in television.
Speaker 3: This is up there in like top five, like don't.
Speaker 2: Do it up there.
Speaker 1: It's way way up there. And the only way it
Speaker 1: makes sense is that Seanna is so repressed that what
Speaker 1: happens there is the thing she wanted to happen all along.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a reason that she went there
Speaker 3: and that's the only way she could get and the
Speaker 3: thing that is most interesting. So this also, I will
Speaker 3: just say this is one of my tinfoil hat theories.
Speaker 3: After out there they get there stinks a weed. There's
Speaker 3: somebody next door who was Adam's studio mate, who's blaring music.
Speaker 3: What if that's Harvey and that's how Adam knew so
Speaker 3: much about Shanna. That's my theory is Harvey was Adam's
Speaker 3: friend and they were like scheming on her together. But anyway,
Speaker 3: they get in there and shot Cora. The art studio
Speaker 3: is actually filled with pictures of Shanna in a varying
Speaker 3: states of undressed. They're very beautiful. Now, I will say
Speaker 3: that if I were, if Misty was there, I think
Speaker 3: Misty would have probably been like, Hey, don't do this,
Speaker 3: but be leave these up, because then you can say,
Speaker 3: this guy was stalking you and you killed him in
Speaker 3: self defense if they catch you just saying, but Jeff
Speaker 3: and Shwana are extremely fucked up, and I'm starting to
Speaker 3: believe also have probably killed at least one person before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just like they're so chilling, ready to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're ready to do this.
Speaker 3: They decide to get down to business. But hint, I'm
Speaker 3: not talking about destroying the paintings they Shanna like. She
Speaker 3: starts telling Jeff about how much it turned her on
Speaker 3: to think of him cheating, and how she's no longer
Speaker 3: ashamed of who she is and they sort of, you know,
Speaker 3: seems like they're gonna get it on. It's unclear. I
Speaker 3: feel like at the end whether that was something that happened.
Speaker 3: I think like they tried. I couldn't tell whether Jeff
Speaker 3: was ashamed it happened or he kind of got uncomfortable
Speaker 3: in the middle, which understandable. Seeing as you're fucking your
Speaker 3: wife in the studio of the man that she murdered,
Speaker 3: I could understand.
Speaker 1: Why then you're helping to cover it up and actively
Speaker 1: helping her to destroy evidence of the.
Speaker 3: Crowd exactly, Like there's a lot going on there to
Speaker 3: just focus on sex. Also, I would say again terrible
Speaker 3: ideas that have been had in history and covering up
Speaker 3: murders just like turpentining out the faces on these paintings
Speaker 3: is like so sus and I know that they definitely
Speaker 3: missed one. So this was just a terrible idea all around.
Speaker 1: Either either burn the entire here's what I thought down,
Speaker 1: burn the building down, murder of the next side or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Or take all the paintings and burn them,
Speaker 1: but don't one fuck in the place, leaving DNA and
Speaker 1: heroin well, who knows my evidence so.
Speaker 3: Much like you do not want to go in there
Speaker 3: with a bla you are gonna get caught. This is
Speaker 3: a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: Then like destroy the paintings in a way that anybody
Speaker 1: walking in and be like, what.
Speaker 3: The fuck happened to these?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I better find out who these are off
Speaker 3: because they were obviously the person who did the turpentiny.
Speaker 3: What's happened? Just like such bad choices and plans. And
Speaker 3: if she'd have just called Misty then it would have
Speaker 3: been fine. And I want to say I did not
Speaker 3: include this in the full recap because it's not necessarily
Speaker 3: story relevant, But I do have to say one of
Speaker 3: the best scenes of this episode happens after this, which
Speaker 3: is when Jeff goes and sits into his car and
Speaker 3: listens to Papa Roach this is my last resort.
Speaker 2: He's into it.
Speaker 3: He's like hitting the wheel and he's feeling so angry
Speaker 3: about Seana, and it's just such a good weird character moment.
Speaker 3: Loved it. Speaking of good weird character moments, there is
Speaker 3: like this great sequence of events where Misty goes to
Speaker 3: show have a showdown with the motel manager or of
Speaker 3: the place where Nat was staying. She wants to know
Speaker 3: what happened. He won't tell her anything. Larry the motel manager,
Speaker 3: is like probably the first person who's ever said no
Speaker 3: to Misty when she tries to blackmail him. It's so funny,
Speaker 3: it's so good. And eventually she kind of just like
Speaker 3: annoys him and gives him creepy chesha cat grins until
Speaker 3: he says, well, she left, she paid in the middle
Speaker 3: of the night, and Misty's like absolutely heartbroken because she
Speaker 3: kind of believed their odd couple Yeah, and she thought
Speaker 3: that odd couple friendship that they'd built while looking for
Speaker 3: the truth of what happened was something real. And then
Speaker 3: she realizes, once again, Misty coming through with the win,
Speaker 3: the only observant person, the only clever person, the only
Speaker 3: person paranoid enough to know what's going on. She notices
Speaker 3: that the door jam of where of NAT's old room
Speaker 3: is splintered, and she realizes that Nat was kidnapped. The
Speaker 3: true hero of Yellow Jacket strikes once again, and yeah, like,
Speaker 3: what the heck that is still alive? Good love. Juliet
Speaker 3: lewis smashing it in this performance. Uh, and she is pissed.
Speaker 3: She's tied to a bed as one would be who
Speaker 3: she is absolutely furious. And so then we get a
Speaker 3: new character here, we get Nicole Mayins, who's so brilliant,
Speaker 3: and she comes in and and she looks a lot
Speaker 3: like Loti. That was my read. I felt like, is
Speaker 3: this Lotty's door like? And she I.
Speaker 2: Thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I will tell you what I think, and
Speaker 1: that is there's a lot of weird sex shit happening
Speaker 1: in this cult.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I don't know it for I don't know it
Speaker 6: for a fact yet, but what I've seen thus far
Speaker 6: of Lottie's life and career as a wicked priestess lead
Speaker 6: me to believe that there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: Weird sex shit happening in this cult.
Speaker 3: Completely this and also it just feels y. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: giving off the weird sex cop vibes. We know that
Speaker 3: they were taking from real life inspiration. That is something
Speaker 3: that's been very relevant recently. It feels weird. But this
Speaker 3: young girl is like she's green in the captivity game. Yes,
Speaker 3: they should not have sent her to be in charge
Speaker 3: of NAT. Nat is a true survivor, like she will
Speaker 3: do anything to survive and she does essentially like playing
Speaker 3: this kind of cat and mouse game. Nicen Up the
Speaker 3: girl and eventually getting a fork and stab in her
Speaker 3: with it so she can escape.
Speaker 2: Ruthless.
Speaker 3: That shit was bad ass. I mean, she went for
Speaker 3: the eye like she would have killed her, but luckily
Speaker 3: the captor kind of she she you know, she she
Speaker 3: blocked it with the hand and now she has a
Speaker 3: fork in her hand, which she probably doesn't feel too
Speaker 3: lucky about actually, and Nat is out of there, like boom, not,
Speaker 3: this is not happening to me. You are incorrect. She
Speaker 3: is also At first I was like, oh, she's running away,
Speaker 3: but no, she is going to find Lotty like like
Speaker 3: she fucking knows. And this is great because before this moment,
Speaker 3: they're really playing with our expectations. We see Lotty. Lotty
Speaker 3: is arguably like the only one in the group who's
Speaker 3: kind of doing any kind of processing of what happened.
Speaker 3: She seems to be wealthy, she seems to be successful.
Speaker 3: So this is like a great moment because until now,
Speaker 3: what we've really seen of Lotty's cult is like it's
Speaker 3: a wellness place. People there look healthy, they look healthy,
Speaker 3: they're in the beautiful nature. They're wearing creepy robes. But
Speaker 3: maybe that's just our own perceptions of what our cult
Speaker 3: is no, because when Natalie gets into those woods, she
Speaker 3: sees people with terrifying like animal masks and they're burying
Speaker 3: a man alive.
Speaker 1: Yes, and yes, it seems like he's into it. I
Speaker 1: would hope, so I certainly listen. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: as a person who spent a lot of time around
Speaker 1: hippies earlier in my life, younger in my life and
Speaker 1: seen the hippies kind of grow up, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people who have become ensconced in different levels
Speaker 1: of the wellness lifestyle, and a lot of it is like, hey,
Speaker 1: drink this tea and you'll never get sick.
Speaker 2: That kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it goes.
Speaker 1: Beyond just the kind of like eat organic that kind
Speaker 1: of like every day.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a totally to.
Speaker 2: The economy that you can that you can do.
Speaker 1: It's it's I think for people who have been around it,
Speaker 1: we've been in the in the kind of orbit of it.
Speaker 1: This felt very much like a thing that I could
Speaker 1: see people I know getting involved in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah that I think again, it's all about,
Speaker 3: like you're saying, it's all about the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 3: Is this just this way of lotty kind of recreating
Speaker 3: in a safe inverted comma space, the feral nature of
Speaker 3: being in the forest as it something that people want
Speaker 3: to connect with and pay a lot of money for.
Speaker 3: Or is she really doing some weird like blood ritual
Speaker 3: that's still very up in the air here, but not
Speaker 3: is like legit about the like cavew He's head in
Speaker 3: with a branch Like she's like, why the fuck shouldn't I?
Speaker 3: And Lotty is extremely chill like to a point of
Speaker 3: being patronizing, and she absolutely knocks Nat for six by
Speaker 3: telling her like, you don't want to do that because
Speaker 3: I've got a message and it's from Travis and obviously
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, well that actually if I
Speaker 3: was that, I'd be like, well fuck you, because didn't
Speaker 3: you wipe his bank account before him? So like what
Speaker 3: kind of message? But Natt is in a very unstable place.
Speaker 3: Juliette Lewis does this bit of face acting, specifically with
Speaker 3: the way she kind of grinds her teeth over her
Speaker 3: lips in this scene that is just fucking heartbreaking. Like
Speaker 3: she knows there is probably nothing honest and real about
Speaker 3: what Lotty is about to tell her, but she wants
Speaker 3: to hear that more than anything in.
Speaker 1: The show is off the charts, fool. I think it's
Speaker 1: very it's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we kind of get this very interesting moment
Speaker 3: in the present here that I think is very well
Speaker 3: handled and kind of twenty cypress again give her all
Speaker 3: the props. She creeps into the underpass underneath her house,
Speaker 3: finds her blood shrine and is like.
Speaker 6: Half shocked but also not shocked, and they're not shocked
Speaker 6: enough enough, Like it's almost like when she.
Speaker 3: Sees it, she kind of realizes. And then, in case
Speaker 3: you weren't sure that she was the one who was
Speaker 3: culpable for this blood shrine.
Speaker 7: I was not sure right last season, and I wasn't
Speaker 7: either because and even earlier on like when her wife
Speaker 7: was yelling at her and she was like, I don't know,
Speaker 7: but then when she was like, oh, fucking hit in
Speaker 7: the But in this moment, she turns.
Speaker 3: To Steve, good old Steve will be rooting for you, Steve,
Speaker 3: and she says Steve and she says, oh, no, don't worry,
Speaker 3: like that was a mistake about a dead dog. I
Speaker 3: was like, what do you mean, Like you weren't supposed
Speaker 3: to kill him?
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope, So.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what like this was an accident. I'm guessing
Speaker 3: so from what we've seen especially, we get this, we
Speaker 3: get some great moments here with her and Van. It
Speaker 3: seems like this sleep disorder that she has where she
Speaker 3: sort of is violent in her sleep, she's the woman
Speaker 3: in the tree.
Speaker 2: She climbs up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some kind of disassociation that implies here. I think
Speaker 3: that she was in that state when she did it.
Speaker 3: But I was cracking jokes and she was like, sorry, Steve,
Speaker 3: I'll do better, And I was like, ty, I guess about.
Speaker 1: Creating a whole shrine, decapitating your dog, setting up little trinketstile.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of work when you're asleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did she get down there? Like when did she
Speaker 3: murder the dog? The dog went missing before he ended
Speaker 3: up in the shrine, Like this seems at least a
Speaker 3: slight plan. Maybe I guess a tinfoil hat throw out
Speaker 3: there is she was still in contact with Loti or
Speaker 3: someone who was involved in this blood cult kind of
Speaker 3: situation and she delivered the dog but didn't know what
Speaker 3: they would do with it. Nah, I think she did it.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I think that Lottie somehow has been able to place
Speaker 1: like a post hypnotic suggestion ents and I.
Speaker 3: Think I could definitely see that.
Speaker 1: And I think because she wants to promote whatever it
Speaker 1: is that she's doing, and you get a powerful state
Speaker 1: senator elected and things get easier for you and whatever,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, except right, maybe you get taxes at
Speaker 1: status or your cult whatever like whatever it is, right.
Speaker 1: But I think that she did that to Tyson, and
Speaker 1: I think she's trying to do that with everyone, put
Speaker 1: somehow break their minds and put something in there. I
Speaker 1: like that that she can trigger, and I think she's
Speaker 1: triggering these.
Speaker 3: We know setting cults. They use hallucinogens to break people's
Speaker 3: will and stuff, so we could see that multi It's
Speaker 3: almost like, you know, has Loti been setting up her
Speaker 3: own like Black Widow Network or Scroll Network. She just
Speaker 3: like triggers people by saying like a And think about
Speaker 3: imagine if Tyan Lotty had stayed in touch and she
Speaker 3: was like, I'll send you these wellness drinks, they'll help
Speaker 3: with your sleeping. But really she's drugging her and kind
Speaker 3: of giving her strange hypnosis. I love this, and I
Speaker 3: love like you said, I think there's a great version
Speaker 3: of this which will we're getting close to the end,
Speaker 3: and I think near the end you could say subverts
Speaker 3: this a little bit. I like this idea that Lotty
Speaker 3: could be the nightmarish cult leader who's planning all of this,
Speaker 3: or she absolutely could not be. And it's just like
Speaker 3: a wellness scammer, and she's exciting, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: All little kidnapping like we know, we know, we know
Speaker 1: it the very she's criminal.
Speaker 3: Shit, we know she's doing some criminals. She's at least
Speaker 3: kidnapping people, you know. I would say in the theory
Speaker 3: you could argue that there's a version where it's like
Speaker 3: she kidnapped nap because she was relapsing. Cults do stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to help you exactly addictions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it's really interesting stuff. And then we
Speaker 3: get it's really funny because we there's this brutality of
Speaker 3: the the scary sheep masks and and nat and this,
Speaker 3: and then you go to this kind of suburban ideal
Speaker 3: of Jeff and Shawna who are just so much scarier
Speaker 3: than not he could ever be, and and they decide
Speaker 3: that they're going to get rid of Adams belongings by
Speaker 3: burning them on a barbecue but then immediately cooking food
Speaker 3: on the plastic fire stuff.
Speaker 1: Throw this stuff away in different places, throw it down.
Speaker 1: So they were in the but like especially when, as
Speaker 1: we have seen, Jeff and Shawna's daughter.
Speaker 2: Calli, is all up in.
Speaker 1: Particular business kind of being the worst, as teenagers often are,
Speaker 1: but like, oh, she's the worst.
Speaker 3: She's the fucking worst. But you know, and the funniest
Speaker 3: thing is this is how good again? Literally, like Callie,
Speaker 3: you had a fucking worst, Like why do you want
Speaker 3: trying to switch on your mom? Like your mom is crazy?
Speaker 3: But going through a ship, you guys are alive ship
Speaker 3: having affairs of murdering people. You weren't on that plane.
Speaker 3: You dressed up for Halloween in your thumbs cheerleading costume,
Speaker 3: like you are the worst. And I was just it
Speaker 3: blew my mind that Jeff was like, yeah, we'll just
Speaker 3: grill up some franks on here. I was like, are
Speaker 3: you trying to kill yourself? Like this is on the
Speaker 3: tree they they eat these nasty plastic franks And basically
Speaker 3: like Calli, as you pointed out, is like fuck you,
Speaker 3: I don't want to eat this ship. And you guys
Speaker 3: have got some sush shit going on. And as the
Speaker 3: episode comes to a close, we see Callie discover Adam's
Speaker 3: ID card bomb bomb.
Speaker 1: But you gotta make sure that ship is burn literally
Speaker 1: his face like you could have just swallowed it, just scissors.
Speaker 3: Subway, like you the terrible come on, Scissors, You just
Speaker 3: can't have his face. His face is there, Peter god
Speaker 3: Gadoire's beautiful face, and he's looking at a Cali And
Speaker 3: Kelly is like, I'm gonna fucking take this bitch down.
Speaker 3: Like Kelly's ready, her teenage resentment of her mom is
Speaker 3: gonna take down her whole family if she's not kept.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you, I believe Shawna would kill her
Speaker 3: own door. She would do it now, I believe it.
Speaker 3: So Kelly should watch her back because it's gonna end
Speaker 3: badly for her. We get like a rare bit of
Speaker 3: sweet wilderness news as ty and Vang kind of tell
Speaker 3: each other that they love each other. Yeah, very cute,
Speaker 3: but it only happened after Tye almost ripped Van's lip
Speaker 3: off in a kind of nighttime violent trance. But I
Speaker 3: think they're setting something up here. We don't get to
Speaker 3: see Lauren Ambrose, who plays adult Van. We know she
Speaker 3: got cast earlier this year. We don't get to see
Speaker 3: her here, but I think they're basically establishing like Van
Speaker 3: isn't scared of Tyser. Van accepts Tyser for who she
Speaker 3: is Van, even with Tyson's nighttime trances all this stuff,
Speaker 3: and I would assume that we will see Tie return
Speaker 3: to Van as that kind of place of safety. That's
Speaker 3: my guess. It could be something else. I think the
Speaker 3: clip of Van that we see and the credits kind
Speaker 3: of sees her being distracted by somebody knocking on her
Speaker 3: door or something, which feels very similar to NAT's kidnapping.
Speaker 3: So maybe it won't be that sweet, but that's kind
Speaker 3: of where my gut is going with it. Travis and Nat,
Speaker 3: on their little excursion, discover what looks to be the
Speaker 3: magical tree from Travis's sexy vision and it's still blooming
Speaker 3: in the middle of winter. So that's strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fake tree.
Speaker 3: Maybe if we're talking about like a military base something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: You I don't chemicals like the old like it's the
Speaker 1: old beach like something like this is like a poisoned
Speaker 1: area with chemicals that are doing weird shit.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good idea. I like that. The idea
Speaker 3: that something seeping into the ground and even the meat
Speaker 3: they're eating is actually infected by it.
Speaker 1: Like they're always what if they're always eating a low
Speaker 1: level of whatever, the yes, whatever has suffused the landscaper.
Speaker 3: You know. Also, I will say I was rewatching the
Speaker 3: first season when I was doing the recap for the
Speaker 3: show and writing about Misty, found a lot of magic mushrooms,
Speaker 3: very very quickly. Founder they are just there. So I
Speaker 3: think you could be onto something that there's kind of
Speaker 3: some kind of infusion that's making them have this kind
Speaker 3: of group hysteria. And really Nat is so far the
Speaker 3: only one who doesn't seem to have brought into it
Speaker 3: at all. But all of that great episode, Love this episode,
Speaker 3: but it's all basically irrelevant because the big news of
Speaker 3: this episode is that the cannibalism has finally begun. And
Speaker 3: I will say, yeah, it's what we've all been waiting for.
Speaker 3: The crowd goes mad, cannibalism, curnibalism. I was shocked to
Speaker 3: see who the first cannibal me Too, turned out to be.
Speaker 3: They did a great job, as we said in this episode,
Speaker 3: they set up, and they set up, and they set
Speaker 3: up this kind of chaotic black hole in the middle
Speaker 3: of the show and it is Shorna. So by the
Speaker 3: time this happened, I yelled, but I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: so the final moment of the show, which is just
Speaker 3: so good and so gross, Shawna's just chilling walking around
Speaker 3: the cabin and she just pulls Jackie's ear out of
Speaker 3: her pocket and she holds it close and she just
Speaker 3: swallows it. And there is and her friend has been
Speaker 3: dead for two months, and there is the title of
Speaker 3: your episode's friends Romance Countrymen, Let me in it. That's
Speaker 3: so good. Okay, okay, questions I have for you after
Speaker 3: this episode? So I want to know is Shauna the antlerquin.
Speaker 3: We all feel like it's Lotty because of the colt
Speaker 3: and like the kind of the regality, and we saw
Speaker 3: Lotty wearing a headdress. But I'm like, if Shanna is
Speaker 3: the first cannibal, is she the one who spreads it
Speaker 3: within the group?
Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised, but I also would not
Speaker 1: be surprised if it's this. It's the junior Varsity become
Speaker 1: the people closest around Oh my god, I love that
Speaker 1: around Lottie, that become the people that she you know
Speaker 1: the younger, more impressionable, they don't know her as well,
Speaker 1: and she's able to kind of create her identity with them.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if it's going to be them who
Speaker 1: are the closest to her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, her, I think that makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 3: especially because the one person we know is in that
Speaker 3: circle is Misty, and if Misty makes that connection with Crystal,
Speaker 3: she would likely tag along with whatever kept her in
Speaker 3: the friendship group the popular group. Also, that makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense because then you can assume that the
Speaker 3: older girls may actually become the prey, because we still
Speaker 3: have that big mystery from the first episode, who was
Speaker 3: the girl running through the forest? You know, who was
Speaker 3: the girl that they slit her throat? And they potentially
Speaker 3: ate her though, and we can't confirm or deny that.
Speaker 1: Ask that how much do you think Shanna and the
Speaker 1: rest are aware of what Lottie is up to these days?
Speaker 3: That I think is the biggest question of this season.
Speaker 3: I think the fact that nat Like breathed there and
Speaker 3: just immediately knew that she was looking for Lotty and
Speaker 3: was screaming for Lotti makes me think that Lotti might
Speaker 3: not necessarily be that secretive, but I will also say
Speaker 3: we know she's not like a celebrity wellness person because
Speaker 3: the final line of the last episode was NAT's ex
Speaker 3: AA sponsor basically saying to her, who the fuck is
Speaker 3: Lotti Matthews? So it's not it's not someone who is.
Speaker 3: Actually she's not like famous. But I think, like to me,
Speaker 3: I actually think the biggest bet I have now is
Speaker 3: that Shauna knows. I just think Seanna knows Sean. I
Speaker 3: think Seanna probably kept tabs on Lotty because then she
Speaker 3: could be another one of those intrusive thoughts and secrets
Speaker 3: that constantly promises to burn down her life. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: oh what if somebody found out that I knew? And
Speaker 3: then that leads to the next question, which is, you
Speaker 3: know we were saying, like, is the captor who was
Speaker 3: fighting with Nat who got the fork to the hand
Speaker 3: that Lotti's dor. I think that's like a good bet.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good bet as well.
Speaker 3: But my name is Dan, one of our discord users.
Speaker 3: He brought something up that people in our discord were
Speaker 3: very into, which is is that character that Nicole Mayan's
Speaker 3: plays actually shorn as Wilderness Baby whoa don't don't darn
Speaker 3: because you know what my timelines.
Speaker 2: I need to find out what happened to the Wilderness.
Speaker 3: We need to find out up to baby. We're back
Speaker 3: to the baby conversation again. We need to know babies
Speaker 3: because I like that one too. Me too, because also
Speaker 3: the thing is right, so I hilariously, I just like,
Speaker 3: didn't my I'm not gonna maths first of all, and
Speaker 3: second of all, the narrative of the show was so
Speaker 3: engaging that I kind of just hadn't really put together
Speaker 3: that it was twenty five years since, even though they
Speaker 3: say it many times, but like to me, I was
Speaker 3: just like, well, maybe Cally was the baby, Like how
Speaker 3: old could you? And then it was this episode where
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, that's like Kelly's like a teenager.
Speaker 3: This is that's not the Wilderness baby. That's like a
Speaker 3: different baby. So who where is the Wilderness baby? I
Speaker 3: will say, super produce a soul. I'm gonna put this
Speaker 3: one out there. It's a very bleak tim for hat theory.
Speaker 3: So a cover year is if you don't want to
Speaker 3: hear it, oh no, he suggests maybe they ate the baby?
Speaker 3: Did they could?
Speaker 2: It could be the case. I will say that if
Speaker 2: Lottie has.
Speaker 1: Been raising the Wilderness baby. How would she get the baby?
Speaker 1: Here's what I here's how I think it could help Shauna.
Speaker 1: We've seen that she has shame issues, guilty issues, particularly
Speaker 1: around her her expressions of her own sexuality.
Speaker 3: Which the baby is living proof baby is.
Speaker 1: Maybe they get rescued and Lottie says, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll say, it's mine.
Speaker 3: I'll say, I think that could definitely happen.
Speaker 2: Pregnant in the forest and I'll say it's mine. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe this whole thing with this mysterious guy
Speaker 1: all of a sudden coming out of nowhere to like
Speaker 1: proposition her sexually, and this whole affair that happened that
Speaker 1: resulted in murder, I would not be surprised if Lottie's pulling.
Speaker 3: Okay, I love that theory because I do think that Adam,
Speaker 3: being a follower of Lotty's, his job was basically just
Speaker 3: to unsettle and kind of upset Shana and play on
Speaker 3: those weaknesses that Lotty knew she had. I think that's
Speaker 3: very legit and very likely. I think nat probably knew
Speaker 3: what lott he was up to, but didn't care. The
Speaker 3: one the funniest shit is Misty seems like the one
Speaker 3: who's probably like least bothered because she was probably like, no, Lott,
Speaker 3: he was never my friend. These girls were my friends.
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like I could tell Misty anything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever has bothered me, whatever I've done that
Speaker 1: I'm a shade of I feel like I could tell
Speaker 1: Misty and Missy be like, it's fine, we fix it.
Speaker 3: The final question, speaking of our but love and Misty,
Speaker 3: is like, so she killed the Jannet the pi that
Speaker 3: Tyson hied Jessica at the end of the last season.
Speaker 3: Is that to come back and bite her or is
Speaker 3: she just likes to Yeah, it feels like it has to.
Speaker 3: I feel like that and Adam's death are going to
Speaker 3: be these kind of jeweling things that threatened to take
Speaker 3: them down. But I also like the idea that she's
Speaker 3: like a killing Eve, like early season killing Eve style
Speaker 3: killer who just kills people and just gets away with it.
Speaker 2: I'll make it.
Speaker 1: I'll make a tinfoil head prediction. I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be her parrot that undos her. It puts her
Speaker 1: at risk of suspicion for that murder.
Speaker 3: That is such a good call.
Speaker 1: I absolutely like going to start saying murder shit because
Speaker 1: I absolutely true.
Speaker 3: Also, the parrot has a prominent place in the first season.
Speaker 3: It really does credits so like and I think you're
Speaker 3: right because guess who was down there listening when her
Speaker 3: and Shauna were practicing for the police. It was the parrot. Jason,
Speaker 3: You've blown my mind that that was the one. Now,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to cover the rest of the season
Speaker 3: and see how the parrot plays.
Speaker 1: Into We'll be following Yellow Jackets all season here on
Speaker 1: x Ray Vision. Up next, Hive Mind with Scream six
Speaker 1: co writer Guide Music.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Hive Mind, where we explore a topic
Speaker 3: in more detail with the help of expert guests. This week,
Speaker 3: we're thrilled to have Guy Busic, co writer of Scream
Speaker 3: six and twenty twenty two Scream. Hey, Guy, thanks so
Speaker 3: much for being here.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love Scream so much. I have a Scream
Speaker 3: tattoo and I'm like a huge little ghost face up there.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is just like a dream I loved
Speaker 3: and I loved the New Scream movie, and I loved
Speaker 3: Scream you know five in the ed commas. I love
Speaker 3: the core for so we're just We're so stoked to
Speaker 3: have you here. But seeing as this is Xtra Vision,
Speaker 3: which is our kind of mine and Jason's hub for
Speaker 3: all the things we love, I'll start with a little
Speaker 3: bit of a less horror focused question and say, what's
Speaker 3: your book origin. What was the thing that got you
Speaker 3: into comics and made you love comic books.
Speaker 5: I think it was Batman eighty nine. It was the
Speaker 5: summer that that came out, and I was walking around
Speaker 5: the mall.
Speaker 6: I was in a.
Speaker 5: Bookstore and I saw the cover for Death in the
Speaker 5: Family and I was like, what the hell is that
Speaker 5: they killed Robin? So I picked that up and then
Speaker 5: found out that like people voted for that for the
Speaker 5: second Robbin Jason Todd to die. And then I just
Speaker 5: started buying more Batman comics and graphic novels and compilations
Speaker 5: like trade paperbacks in anticipation of the movie. So by
Speaker 5: the time the movie had come out, which I saw
Speaker 5: I think seven times in the theater, I was probably thirteen.
Speaker 5: I think that summer I was kind of caught up
Speaker 5: on a lot of the so called classics of the era,
Speaker 5: and then so Batman just got me into like so
Speaker 5: Robin's and the teen Titans SAI. Then I'd get into
Speaker 5: the Teen Titans, who became the New Titans, and so
Speaker 5: I catch up on the New Titans, and then Batman
Speaker 5: was in the Justice League, so I'd start reading Justice
Speaker 5: League and it was in that wonderful Justice League International era. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and so and from there it was like then I
Speaker 5: went back and read Crisis on Infinite Earths, and I
Speaker 5: was just a DC head. From then on, I just
Speaker 5: got into everything Green Lantern and Hawkman Flash, all of it,
Speaker 5: and some Marvel. But I didn't become like a died
Speaker 5: in Woe Marvel fan until the movies, until the NCU,
Speaker 5: there were just only a few characters that I was
Speaker 5: really invested in. For whatever reason. I love them all
Speaker 5: in comic book format and TV and movie form, but
Speaker 5: for whatever reason, I was really drawn to the DC universe,
Speaker 5: and I still am. I still love those comics and
Speaker 5: those characters.
Speaker 1: It makes sense thinking about, you know, Batman and Pity nine,
Speaker 1: Batman of that era being your your entry point, What
Speaker 1: about your actually point into horror? What was the thing
Speaker 1: you've You've worked so much in the horror genre, what
Speaker 1: was the thing that really got you into horror?
Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't a horror kid growing up, and
Speaker 5: I think part of it was that, like my parents
Speaker 5: were a bit protective of likes and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So that very same summer that Batman came out, well,
Speaker 5: I guess it was the fall because I met Ryan Murphy,
Speaker 5: my co writer Ridy or not not the Ryan Murphy
Speaker 5: of American horror story, I always have to clarify. And
Speaker 5: he was also into Batman and movies and comics and
Speaker 5: all that great stuff. I remember we talked about Got
Speaker 5: Them by Gaslight, this book that had come out that summer,
Speaker 5: and that's was one of our first bonding points, is
Speaker 5: we're kind of feeling each other out, like are we
Speaker 5: going to be friends?
Speaker 6: Is this?
Speaker 5: Are we cool? Are we vibing here? And we became
Speaker 5: really really close friends. And he was the horror kid,
Speaker 5: and so he would, you know, like I could watch
Speaker 5: all this stuff at his house that I could watch
Speaker 5: on my own, and most of it turned me off.
Speaker 5: I was like, I just I don't get it. It's
Speaker 5: not for me. I don't really like these characters, blah
Speaker 5: blah blah. And now I look back on a lot
Speaker 5: of that stuff and I'm like, I was so wrong.
Speaker 5: This is build, but as a kid, it just kind
Speaker 5: of maybe I was just a little too protected for
Speaker 5: it at the time. So it was Scream, you know,
Speaker 5: ironically it was Wow. I saw it opening day in
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety six, and it was the one that blew
Speaker 5: my mind with Kevin's just amazing script and Wes's direction
Speaker 5: and that cast, that classic amazing cast, and for the
Speaker 5: first time, I was like, oh, horror can be fun.
Speaker 5: It can be funny, it can be meta, you can
Speaker 5: have a conversation with your audience. For the first time,
Speaker 5: I'm seeing myself in a horror movie, as you know,
Speaker 5: Randy the movie nerd. And it's just that I care
Speaker 5: about these characters and when they die it hurts. It's
Speaker 5: not so much about the killer, it's about the victims.
Speaker 5: You're really on their side for once, and it was
Speaker 5: a murder mystery. It was just like, how can it
Speaker 5: be all of these things, you know, a horror movie.
Speaker 5: And so that's when I think my true love started.
Speaker 5: And then I went back and rewatched a lot of
Speaker 5: others from the earlier periods and it was like, Okay, yes,
Speaker 5: now I kind of get it. But it was like
Speaker 5: Scream kind of broke the damn for me. And then
Speaker 5: the fact that they were able to follow that up
Speaker 5: in twelve months with another great Scream, like we really were.
Speaker 1: Actually incredible that that happened, Like yeah.
Speaker 3: Probguably one of the best horror sequels of all time.
Speaker 3: And they did it with any.
Speaker 5: Yeah, within a year, And I was like, well they
Speaker 5: I mean, they must have rushed it. How could it
Speaker 5: possibly be high quality if it's twelve months later and
Speaker 5: they did it again, And I was just like, I
Speaker 5: just I am in awe. And so the fact that
Speaker 5: I'm now, you know, getting to talk to Kevin, work
Speaker 5: with Kevin on screen movies is just blowing my twenty
Speaker 5: one year old mind in the past somehow, you know,
Speaker 5: if I could just go back and say, you're not
Speaker 5: going to believe this, but this movie that changed your
Speaker 5: life in terms of loving the genre, like you're going
Speaker 5: to get to work on that someday. I just I
Speaker 5: still can't believe it. It's so surreal and I'm pinching myself.
Speaker 5: And anytime I'm writing a legacy character, you know, created
Speaker 5: by an earlier writer, you know Kevin in particular, like
Speaker 5: writing Dialogue for Gaile and just writing the name Gail
Speaker 5: I just like, how did I end up here? This
Speaker 5: is just a dream I love so Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that so much, And I guess kind of
Speaker 3: you could you talk a little bit about like how
Speaker 3: you did get there? Obviously, like Ready or Not you
Speaker 3: have like h standing as evil, But Ready or Not
Speaker 3: was just such a huge smash people just in a way.
Speaker 3: It had its own screen impact. It made people excited
Speaker 3: for horror. It made people feel like there was something
Speaker 3: different that you could play with in this world. What
Speaker 3: was that like for you? Kind of getting to make
Speaker 3: this independent, unique take on horror and then having it
Speaker 3: so well received.
Speaker 5: Well, that's just really levey to hear you so happy
Speaker 5: to think that people might have had that experience.
Speaker 3: I know so many people who'd want big horror heads
Speaker 3: who just absolutely adored it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was a confluence of I mean,
Speaker 5: all the planets aligned basically. You know, Ryan and I
Speaker 5: we met, you know, when we were thirteen. We moved
Speaker 5: out here right after high school, went to college, different colleges,
Speaker 5: but we were always, you know, still very close. And
Speaker 5: then we would write together or write separately for many years,
Speaker 5: and we were working in different genres. We were selling
Speaker 5: pitches for big action sci fi things, they just weren't
Speaker 5: getting made, and so we just made a conscious decision,
Speaker 5: let's just do something smaller, low budget genre so you
Speaker 5: don't need a star, you know, and horror is just
Speaker 5: it never goes away. It's always going to be popular,
Speaker 5: and so we settled on that. We came up with
Speaker 5: the idea I think in like twenty thirteen, Wow, and
Speaker 5: we wrote this spec and it didn't set the world
Speaker 5: on fire, and so at that point it's like twenty fourteen,
Speaker 5: it hasn't It hasn't sold. We slipped it to a
Speaker 5: few producers, no one bit. So I'm thinking I'm going
Speaker 5: to quit the business at this point. And my good
Speaker 5: friend James Vanderbilt Jamie who's my co writer on Scream
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two and Scream six. He's a very close
Speaker 5: friend too. I met him because he went to college
Speaker 5: with Ryan. So it's just all a very, you know,
Speaker 5: small world kind of a situation. But Jamie was a
Speaker 5: big fan of that script. It was called family Ritual
Speaker 5: at the time, not Ready or Not, and the wedding
Speaker 5: element wasn't part of it, to believe it or Not,
Speaker 5: which is which is pretty much its whole identity which
Speaker 5: I know, right the bride with the with the cigarette
Speaker 5: and all covered in blood, and but it was basically
Speaker 5: like the Alex character bringing Grace home to see if
Speaker 5: you can get permission to marry her. And it was
Speaker 5: like over the Easter weekend or something. And then get
Speaker 5: Out happened and it was like, well, that's already the
Speaker 5: horror version. I meet the parents and so we had
Speaker 5: to pivot. And then we came up with the wedding
Speaker 5: thing and it was on track. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: it was a slow process. It took about six years
Speaker 5: from you know, coming up with the idea to it
Speaker 5: coming out.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: But we found Radio Silence. They pitched on it, and
Speaker 5: we immediately when we met them, we knew this is
Speaker 5: going to be a long and fruitful partnership. Matt, Tyler
Speaker 5: and Chad are just we all share a very very
Speaker 5: similar sensibility. We kind of all have like a high
Speaker 5: mind speaking of my mind, and uh, I love those guys.
Speaker 5: And I knew that there were the right people for it.
Speaker 5: And then Searchlight came on board and like our execs
Speaker 5: there completely got it. The marketing was great and it
Speaker 5: was just really cool. I mean, I'm so that one
Speaker 5: is always going to hold a special place in my heart,
Speaker 5: not just because it was my first produced movie. I
Speaker 5: don't count the other one, but because it was original,
Speaker 5: and it was so different and so odd, and it
Speaker 5: was a little bit hard to put in a box
Speaker 5: because it was again, it wasn't just one thing. And
Speaker 5: I always say, you know, you can draw a straight
Speaker 5: line from screen to ready or not in terms of like,
Speaker 5: hopefully it's a fun ride first and foremost, and hopefully
Speaker 5: it gives you characters or at least one character that
Speaker 5: you really like and root for and want to see
Speaker 5: make it through. And you know, again you mentioned some
Speaker 5: ri It's like that was lightning in a bottle. It
Speaker 5: couldn't have been better casting across the board. But wow,
Speaker 5: her performance is just just next level. And so to
Speaker 5: get to bring her back first Dream six was a
Speaker 5: treat for everybody. You know, I was, I was. I
Speaker 5: did not get to be on set when she was
Speaker 5: doing her scenes. I had already come back from from Montreal.
Speaker 5: But watching those dailies, my my wife and I were
Speaker 5: in stitches because her outtakes her you know, like, there
Speaker 5: are different takes of that scene are just she's so
Speaker 5: funny and likable and goofy, and it's just like she
Speaker 5: said that that's the character that she's played that's closest
Speaker 5: to her and I find that just lovely and love that.
Speaker 2: So how did you get there? From ready or Not
Speaker 2: to the screen franchise? What was you know? How did
Speaker 2: that kind of evolve?
Speaker 5: That was a very strange story and one of those
Speaker 5: things that never happens in this business and I consider
Speaker 5: myself one of the luckiest people on earth because of it.
Speaker 5: It's my good friend Jamie who I mentioned I met
Speaker 5: when we were eighteen and freshmen at different colleges. He
Speaker 5: has a company called Project X Entertainment that has produced
Speaker 5: these screen movies and they had a deal with Spyglass
Speaker 5: Media Group where I think it was just for TV,
Speaker 5: but they kind of had a general meeting with Gary
Speaker 5: Barber who owns and runs it, and they had acquired
Speaker 5: some of the old Weinstein Company assets, Scream being the
Speaker 5: kind of the main one, like the big one that
Speaker 5: he really wanted to do something with. And Jamie's been
Speaker 5: a longtime screen fan too, and he had met Kevin
Speaker 5: Williamson early in his career and Kevin was very very
Speaker 5: kind and supportive of him. When he was sort of
Speaker 5: a baby writer, and so Jamie was like, well, I
Speaker 5: would really like to try something with that, and Gary
Speaker 5: was like, well, would you write it? And he said yeah,
Speaker 5: And so they walked out of that meeting and they
Speaker 5: had scream and he knew he didn't want to He
Speaker 5: knew it was he wanted radio silence, and he knew
Speaker 5: he didn't want to do it by himself. And he
Speaker 5: picked me because I, you know, he knows how much
Speaker 5: reverence I have for the franchise and how much love
Speaker 5: I have for Kevin and Wes and those first poor movies.
Speaker 5: And I think he was all so a little busy
Speaker 5: at the time. So it was like, if I could
Speaker 5: split the work, I'd be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And so he called me and I was in New York,
Speaker 5: which is kind of funny because we had ended up
Speaker 5: doing six in New York, but I was on my
Speaker 5: wedding anniversary with my wife. It was our ten year anniversary.
Speaker 5: We had just come out of play. I saw that
Speaker 5: he had called. I was worried that one of our
Speaker 5: many projects together had fallen apart. We didn't want to
Speaker 5: call him back. I was like putting it up. And
Speaker 5: I called him and he just said, hey, so all
Speaker 5: the projects are fine because he knows me, he knows
Speaker 5: that's whatever. And he goes, he goes, do you want
Speaker 5: to write Scream five with me? And I just my
Speaker 5: job rop And you know, I was just in shock
Speaker 5: for like the next hour. And so I came back
Speaker 5: and we watched the four movies in person together, came
Speaker 5: up with our wish list of like what do we
Speaker 5: as fans want to see in a screen movie? Like
Speaker 5: if this is the last one we ever get, what
Speaker 5: is it? How do we as fans create something that
Speaker 5: we would love? And we were just completely in sync
Speaker 5: and it was so easy to work together. And I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that the scripts were always easy, but I
Speaker 5: think a lot of the ideas just kind of came to
Speaker 5: both of us independently, and we were sort of surprised
Speaker 5: to be like, oh you thought of that too, Oh
Speaker 5: my god, Okay, we're really of one mind on this
Speaker 5: thing and writing that that, you know, first draft of
Speaker 5: five it didn't take long at all. It was just
Speaker 5: like we kind of whipped through it in just a
Speaker 5: few weeks. And that's that was That was how I
Speaker 5: was just invited. It doesn't happen like that. It just it.
Speaker 5: It's the dream, you know, it was just here it is,
Speaker 5: and you know, I'm grateful that he had to put
Speaker 5: the trust and faith in me that I could do it.
Speaker 5: And you know, now we've done two together and seems
Speaker 5: to be working out. So I know, I'm very very
Speaker 5: grateful and very proud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what was so what was it like then
Speaker 3: to not only get to play in this soundbox, then
Speaker 3: you're getting the legacy characters back. Then the movie comes
Speaker 3: out and people just love it and it makes a
Speaker 3: ton of money, which is kind of your dream in
Speaker 3: this really hard time for cinema and kind of cinema
Speaker 3: and distribution. Scream is a hit. It's a hit on
Speaker 3: a small budget. What was that? Ex variants?
Speaker 5: Like a relief?
Speaker 1: It just.
Speaker 5: We we just thought, if anyone's gonna ruin the franchise,
Speaker 5: at least, let it be a couple of guys who
Speaker 5: absolutely love it and want to protect it. And yet
Speaker 5: we didn't want to ruin it. And so when it
Speaker 5: came out and it did connect with with you know,
Speaker 5: longtime fans and new fans and did well financially, it
Speaker 5: was just it was a huge relief. We didn't break
Speaker 5: the thing that we would you know, we actually were
Speaker 5: able to contribute and keep this thing alive and not
Speaker 5: just put it back on life support. But it was
Speaker 5: well received and people wanted more and people did like
Speaker 5: you know, the new characters, and so it was just gratifying.
Speaker 5: It just I felt very again, just relieved that we
Speaker 5: didn't ruin it and like create the work the one
Speaker 5: that you just killed it forever. And yeah, I was
Speaker 5: I was proud that we'd pulled it off because it
Speaker 5: had been eleven years, you know, since four and people
Speaker 5: really had kind of moved on from it, and Kevin
Speaker 5: had moved on from it, by the ways, like a
Speaker 5: lot of people involved and moved on for We had
Speaker 5: no guarantee that we were going to get those legacy
Speaker 5: actors back. We just kind of were like we blind
Speaker 5: faith we write it. We try to write the characters
Speaker 5: as being in different places than we've seen them before,
Speaker 5: so give them something new to play. We know they
Speaker 5: love each other and we know they love you know,
Speaker 5: Wes and Kevin, but it was a leap to think
Speaker 5: that they would want to do a screen movie without Wes. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and so we just we had to take a shot,
Speaker 5: and you know, we got them, and we were thrilled
Speaker 5: we did. We weren't sure we were going to and
Speaker 5: we got them and they came back. And that was,
Speaker 5: like I said before, like writing dialogue for Sidney Prescott
Speaker 5: or Gail Webbers or Dewey Riley was you know, it
Speaker 5: was just a trip.
Speaker 1: I would imagine there are certain challenges to bringing back
Speaker 1: this franchise that are unique. You know, you've got to
Speaker 1: have that killer cold open. You've got to be able
Speaker 1: to play with the tropes of the form in a
Speaker 1: way that is entertaining. You've got to have a great
Speaker 1: murder mystery. What What were some of the things that,
Speaker 1: as you're watching these four movies in a row, you thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: we gotta do this, gotta do that.
Speaker 5: I think it's just the formula has always been the same,
Speaker 5: but with different it's like certain elements of it are
Speaker 5: dialed up or dialed down. I think one of the
Speaker 5: things that we really looked at was let's make it
Speaker 5: really legitimately scary again, because some of the meta got
Speaker 5: turned up a little higher in three and four. So
Speaker 5: and not to say there weren't wonderful scares in three
Speaker 5: and four, but I didn't feel some of the I
Speaker 5: don't even know how to put it, but just that
Speaker 5: gut level, like.
Speaker 3: You want to feel the terror, you want to feel
Speaker 3: the kills likes five I think about a lot you feel.
Speaker 3: It's horrible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it truly is. That was that was a
Speaker 5: rough one to think of, and right and shoot, and
Speaker 5: Dylan really was so good in it. It was like,
Speaker 5: oh god, that's really hard to watch. But another thing
Speaker 5: we went back to was really making sure the audience
Speaker 5: knew that these there are stakes again and we went
Speaker 5: back to two and we're like, we didn't. Nobody wanted
Speaker 5: Randy to die. That was terrible. And at midpoint in
Speaker 5: the movie, you know, Randy are our sort of audience
Speaker 5: identification character in many ways as being the movie Nerd
Speaker 5: is taken from us. And then three and four, you know,
Speaker 5: the core three, the Big three make it through and
Speaker 5: we were like, I think we're going to have to
Speaker 5: kill one. And it was a really rough conversation because
Speaker 5: we love those characters and Dewey has always been my
Speaker 5: personal favorite, and so that was a brutal realization to go.
Speaker 5: I think that's correct for this story because it's solved
Speaker 5: a lot of story problems for him to die, because
Speaker 5: why else would Sidney come back to Woodsboro?
Speaker 3: Ever, like Eva.
Speaker 5: There would be no reason, nothing could get it there
Speaker 5: except for you know, avenging her friend, you know, and
Speaker 5: so that it made sense, and it would also you know,
Speaker 5: Gail obviously would then have a real and the audience
Speaker 5: would be really, really pissed off. And but yeah, it's
Speaker 5: like it's coming up with the murderers, it's coming. I
Speaker 5: think the hardest things are always who is it and why?
Speaker 5: What's the motive? And because the motive is always of
Speaker 5: the time, and it's they're always very you know, very good,
Speaker 5: very smart, and I love like Joe Robertson in four,
Speaker 5: you know, it's like I don't want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Jill Emma just absolutely killed it.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah she did, and I completely agree. And so
Speaker 5: that was another one where was like, that's very of
Speaker 5: the time of you know, social media becoming is just
Speaker 5: blowing up and you know tw twenty eleven into what
Speaker 5: it's become now, and so for us it was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: how do we These movies always have a conversation with
Speaker 5: their audience, and they always comment on not just horror
Speaker 5: tropes of the time, but also just pop culture, horror
Speaker 5: as a genre, movies in general, you know, and so
Speaker 5: it was like once we kind of found that toxic
Speaker 5: fandom angle so good. It was something that we've been
Speaker 5: witnessing in the last few years. It was just we're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: that's it, that's what we have to say right now,
Speaker 5: and it works perfectly in a screen movie, which is
Speaker 5: a movie about movies and fans, and so it really clicked.
Speaker 5: And then in terms of you know, the Killers, it
Speaker 5: was like, we so much of five is an homage
Speaker 5: to one, and we just thought it would be really
Speaker 5: fun to go back to the boyfriend and have it
Speaker 5: be you know, we wrote that part.
Speaker 3: Looks he looks as soon as you cost Jackquad, You're like,
Speaker 3: he's going to be the killer, right, and then you're like, well,
Speaker 3: well no, that would be too obvious.
Speaker 5: And I love this.
Speaker 3: No, he's the killer, literally him.
Speaker 5: And we copied that from one because Skating Matthew are
Speaker 5: telling you over and over and yet they pull it
Speaker 5: off and it's still a shock when when they're the killers.
Speaker 5: And that's just Kevin's brilliant writing. Yeah, Wes is directing,
Speaker 5: and and those performances by those two iconic actors but yeah,
Speaker 5: it was like, let's let's do that. Let's try to
Speaker 5: do that same magic trick where it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 5: got to be him. Oh no, now it definitely can't
Speaker 5: be him. Oh god, it was.
Speaker 2: Right the first time.
Speaker 3: Okay. Also, I know we haven't even gotten to Sick yet,
Speaker 3: but like, I just need to ask because you talked
Speaker 3: about Skee I screamed the first time in five when
Speaker 3: you revealed like the daughter of Billy Loomis and kind
Speaker 3: of bringing back Skee as this other legacy character. Could
Speaker 3: you talk a little bit about that choice, Like did
Speaker 3: you get any pushback on that? Because it's real late
Speaker 3: stage horror movie sequel stuff, which is why I loved it.
Speaker 3: But was that something that people were like, it's not
Speaker 3: gonna work. It's too out there, like we need our
Speaker 3: final gal to be pure and kind of follow those
Speaker 3: older rules.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think not so much. On the Billy Loomis's
Speaker 5: legitimate daughter, we didn't get a lot of pushback on that.
Speaker 5: We got a lot of pushback on the idea that
Speaker 5: we would actually see Billy. Yeah, and they were nervous
Speaker 5: and we understood why. But there were conversations and they said,
Speaker 5: if you you know, if he agrees to do it,
Speaker 5: do it. We may not end up using anyo and
Speaker 5: you know, it may be a voiceover, it may not
Speaker 5: be any kind of dialogue with Billy at all. And
Speaker 5: then once they saw it, nobody ever brought it up again.
Speaker 5: And I will say one thing about the pushback was
Speaker 5: that gave us confidence that we were doing the right
Speaker 5: thing by trying it. At least was we pitched the
Speaker 5: whole thing to Kevin and he maybe even read the
Speaker 5: draft at that point, and he said, the one thing
Speaker 5: that doesn't feel like a screen movie is this seeing
Speaker 5: the sort of phantom Billy that's in her head. And
Speaker 5: he's like, that's why I think you have to do it.
Speaker 5: And that was like, oh, thank you. You just gave
Speaker 5: us the best kind of permission to go and try something.
Speaker 5: It's a big swing, you know, as you said, it
Speaker 5: could have gone horribly wrong. If it had, it wouldn't
Speaker 5: have made it in there. But yeah, I mean, Billy
Speaker 5: and Stu are you know, as much a reason for
Speaker 5: the success of that movie and for kind of the
Speaker 5: love of the franchise as any of the other cast members.
Speaker 5: You know, they skate and Matthew just I mean I
Speaker 5: was quoting them on the way to the car after
Speaker 5: my first screaming it bit, you know, because they were
Speaker 5: so I mean, those performances are just the stuff of legends.
Speaker 5: So we were me and I got really excited at
Speaker 5: the idea that this is Billy's legacy and Billy's going
Speaker 5: to be in it, and Sydney's going to have to
Speaker 5: come face to face with Billy's daughter who you know,
Speaker 5: he got Sam's mother pregnant while he was with Sydney,
Speaker 5: most likely because she refused to sleep with him, and
Speaker 5: so he went outside of that relationship and yeah, here
Speaker 5: we go. And to have those two women fighting side
Speaker 5: by side was just kind of a we thought that
Speaker 5: was It just gave us the giggles.
Speaker 1: We thought, Yeah, how early in the process did the
Speaker 1: idea of having a family of killers come to be?
Speaker 5: That was pretty early, and I will say, you know,
Speaker 5: full transparency, we didn't always know it was Richie's family. Oh,
Speaker 5: but we did love the idea of three ghost faces.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of a hard overcome to imagine three
Speaker 5: people being like minded enough that they'd want to go
Speaker 5: on killing screens together and have the same motive. And
Speaker 5: so we came up with family, I think out of
Speaker 5: the desire to want to do three for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and then it really finally clicked when we were like,
Speaker 5: there's there's something that's not because we also wanted the
Speaker 5: motive in six to be primal and not sort of intellectual,
Speaker 5: because the motive in five was about an idea about movies,
Speaker 5: about wanting my favorite franchise to get back on track,
Speaker 5: so I'm going to help out, and it's not really primal,
Speaker 5: it's just more of an intellectual exercise. So with this one,
Speaker 5: we're like, it's got to be something really really someone
Speaker 5: has to hate Sam and then it, you know, not
Speaker 5: a huge leap to get from there. This is this
Speaker 5: is a family full of psychos and this father is
Speaker 5: just so twisted. All of his kids ended up this way. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you notice that Jack Champion, you know, please, Ethan
Speaker 5: looks a lot like Jack Quaid.
Speaker 3: It does look like him, Like I thought that was
Speaker 3: why I recognized him. Then I realized it was Avatar.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Avatar. Yeah, yeah, he really doesn't make like
Speaker 5: he really you know, sprouted up since Avatar. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's just like this really tall, good looking guy and
Speaker 5: that not you know, obviously he's great an Avatar, but
Speaker 5: he's kind of a kid and he really spread out.
Speaker 5: This was the first thing he did after Avatar, and
Speaker 5: it was like his second set after years and years
Speaker 5: on these the James Cameron movies. But like they look
Speaker 5: so much alike. One of the character was Jamie or
Speaker 5: William or one of radio silences said, don't stand together
Speaker 5: on the red carpet. People will figured it out.
Speaker 2: That's so good and I think it's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love as well. Like there's so many parallels
Speaker 3: here with Scream two, not even like from the quickness
Speaker 3: that you guys made the sequel to then having them
Speaker 3: in this different location, to then having you know, the
Speaker 3: end be in.
Speaker 5: To this.
Speaker 3: So that family connection makes a lot of sense because
Speaker 3: of Billy's mum being the killer in two were one
Speaker 3: of the killers. So could you talk a little bit
Speaker 3: how early did you realize this was also going to
Speaker 3: be not just a scream movie, but like a scream
Speaker 3: to kind of reaction and response in homage.
Speaker 5: We have actually tried to dial that back, you know. Oddly,
Speaker 5: I think it was we just didn't want to be
Speaker 5: seen as sort because you know, obviously one was very
Speaker 5: very five was very similar to one, so we wanted
Speaker 5: now that we've kind of hopefully done what we set
Speaker 5: out to do, which is like remind people what scream is,
Speaker 5: why it's different, why it's cool, and here are the
Speaker 5: new characters we wanted to. I mean, it's very goofy,
Speaker 5: but our sort of internal log line was if we
Speaker 5: were playing the hits in five, then six is the
Speaker 5: punk rock B side, and we wanted to do our
Speaker 5: own thing and take really big swings, and so we
Speaker 5: didn't other than the college setting, we didn't really consciously
Speaker 5: think about all that stuff. And it's funny because in
Speaker 5: talking to fans now our friends or doing interviews, there's
Speaker 5: a lot of nods to two that we weren't even
Speaker 5: aware of. We knew that the Missus Loomis and Wayne
Speaker 5: Bailey connection was there, and it's like he's only the
Speaker 5: second like grown up ghost Face the other franchise. He's
Speaker 5: so great and he's the funniest guy in person. So
Speaker 5: we knew that was there. And then the theater thing
Speaker 5: actually gave us pause because originally that that shrine museum
Speaker 5: was just in a warehouse somewhere and they couldn't find
Speaker 5: a location in Montreal that that really worked, like nothing
Speaker 5: just felt right, and so the location scout showed radio
Speaker 5: silence that and they were like, we think this is it,
Speaker 5: and Jamie and I were like, I don't know that.
Speaker 5: We don't want to look like we're just copy pasting
Speaker 5: from dow and so we went out to Montreal to
Speaker 5: look at it and we went, Okay, it's going to
Speaker 5: feel different enough and it has this creepy different kind
Speaker 5: of vibe. But yeah, it's funny how much of two
Speaker 5: made it in there without even conscious knowledge video it
Speaker 5: was something you know. So I'm happy about that because
Speaker 5: it is kind of a neat echo. But we almost
Speaker 5: tried to go the other way, where it's like, let's
Speaker 5: make sure we're not just doing too right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the opening does a great The cold
Speaker 3: open does a great job of switching it out by
Speaker 3: having that review and kind of doing something very different
Speaker 3: and having that who the fuck cares about the movies?
Speaker 3: So after that you're very intellectually far away from two.
Speaker 3: But it's just after seeing it a couple of times,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they are awesome. This is a
Speaker 3: movie that loves too as well. It really is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, other people have pointed that out as well, But yeah,
Speaker 5: that was the thing that got us really excited was
Speaker 5: that opening. And the very bizarre thing about the opening
Speaker 5: is that Jamie and I came up with that independently
Speaker 5: of each other, and we came to our first meeting
Speaker 5: to talk about what Scream six should be, and we
Speaker 5: had both written down that we started. We knew it
Speaker 5: was going to be New York, we'd already decided that,
Speaker 5: but we were like, okay, I think I pitched him
Speaker 5: first on our first zoom and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: this is going to sound weird, but let's do like
Speaker 5: imagine a traditional Scream opening phone call, you know, but
Speaker 5: it's New York, so it's already feels a little different,
Speaker 5: but you know, more or less traditional. And then he's
Speaker 5: got the last line and does the slash, and you
Speaker 5: think we're going to go to the title card like always,
Speaker 5: and then we just hold on him for an uncomfortably
Speaker 5: long time, and then he takes the mask off, and
Speaker 5: then we follow the killer to the point where you
Speaker 5: might think, for a second, if you knew nothing about
Speaker 5: the movie, is this from Ghostface's point of view? And
Speaker 5: then that guy who's kind of doing it for traditional
Speaker 5: reasons like carrying on the previous killer's work or whatever,
Speaker 5: like I want to finish Richie's movie. Like that guy
Speaker 5: gets killed by a really scary ghost face who doesn't
Speaker 5: care about and he got this kind of look on
Speaker 5: his face and I was like, oh, he hates it,
Speaker 5: that's stupid. Nevermind, and he holds up his notepad and
Speaker 5: he's got it written down like traditional killed. Ghost Face
Speaker 5: takes off mask. We follow ghost face ghost face killed,
Speaker 5: and we're like, whoa, Okay, we're really sharing a brain
Speaker 5: on this one.
Speaker 3: That is so cool.
Speaker 1: Finally, you know the horror genre we talk about scream queens.
Speaker 1: The queen of Scream is Sidney herself.
Speaker 2: Nev Campbell.
Speaker 1: Recently Schedule Lurric was quoted as saying that he had
Speaker 1: a conversation with her and she really liked the latest
Speaker 1: edition in the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that must feel good.
Speaker 3: Eddie.
Speaker 1: Would you ever no no strings attached? Did you ever
Speaker 1: think about Briddy bringing Sydney back?
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it's always out of our hands. I mean these things,
Speaker 5: just like as much as people were mad at Radio
Speaker 5: Silence or us for fortune, right, it's not It's not
Speaker 5: up to us. And so even at the script stage,
Speaker 5: people are like, well, at least write her in, and
Speaker 5: it's like no, we're told who is going to you know,
Speaker 5: be available? Who can they can?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 5: So it's really out of our hands. I mean, all
Speaker 5: I can say to that is I love the character
Speaker 5: Sidney Prescott. I love MeV Campbell as an actor, I
Speaker 5: think she is synonymous with the screen franchise. As a fan,
Speaker 5: I would really love to see Sydney go back exactly.
Speaker 5: So as a person involved in screen movies, I can't say,
Speaker 5: but as a fan outside of it is like, even
Speaker 5: if it's not me, even if it's years from now,
Speaker 5: I want to see that. So I hope that you
Speaker 5: know that can happen at some point in time, because
Speaker 5: it's sim me. You know, guy, you sick?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much, so much fun relations
Speaker 3: on your success.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Us to the next one.
Speaker 2: Yeah up next nerd Out.
Speaker 3: In today's nerd Out, will you tell us what you
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Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 3: Or a theory you're excited to share? Lucas Pictures, us
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Speaker 4: Jason Rosie, everybody at X ray Vision. My name's Lucas Adams.
Speaker 4: I wanted to first off say thank you so much
Speaker 4: for the podcast. I really really love it. I think
Speaker 4: I've learned an incredible amount about sci fi, fantasy, comic
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Speaker 4: the Monk and Robots series by Becky Chambers. The first
Speaker 4: book is a Psalm for the Wild Built. The second book,
Speaker 4: which just came out a few weeks ago, is called
Speaker 4: a Prayer for the Crown Shy, and the first book
Speaker 4: asalng for the Wild Built. Basically, we have used robots
Speaker 4: to build up our world, almost destroy our world, and
Speaker 4: they have gained sentience and they leave. They simply, as
Speaker 4: a group, decide to head out into the world, into
Speaker 4: the wilds and be by themselves, forcing us to face
Speaker 4: our own existence without them. Luckily, we make a lot
Speaker 4: of really good choices that help save ourselves, but it
Speaker 4: doesn't come without some struggle. This book, however, is about
Speaker 4: a t monk as they're known in this world name
Speaker 4: Sibling Decks, and they decide to explore the world in
Speaker 4: a different way and go out into the wild, where
Speaker 4: they come across a robot named Mosscap and the robot
Speaker 4: has been sent by other robots to see how humanity
Speaker 4: is doing and basically to ask the question what do
Speaker 4: humans need? And so they build a relationship with one another.
Speaker 4: They explore their relationships with themselves and the world, both
Speaker 4: the natural and built world as it was and as
Speaker 4: it is now. And then in the second book they
Speaker 4: continue this journey. And I don't want to give away
Speaker 4: too much. I'm just it is two short, wonderful meditations
Speaker 4: on technology and our living, breathing earth and our relationship
Speaker 4: to it and ourselves and the other people around us
Speaker 4: and in this case robots. I highly recommend it. I
Speaker 4: highly recommend Becky Chambers. She also wrote the Wayfarer series,
Speaker 4: which is a really fun space travel action series that
Speaker 4: also asks some really great relationship questions about relationships with
Speaker 4: ourselves and other species and our place in the world
Speaker 4: and how we treat those around us, and how we
Speaker 4: experience things and people and other things that are different
Speaker 4: from us. I think everybody would really like it, and
Speaker 4: I am so happy to share it again. Thank you
Speaker 4: all so much for everything you do. I love your podcast.
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