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Speaker 1: This podcast contains spoilers for the season two premiere of

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Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets, Season one of Yellow Jackets, and the entire

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Speaker 1: Scream franchise, including the latest edition in the Scream franchise,

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Speaker 1: Scream six, So be warned.

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Speaker 2: Sydney.

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Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to x ray Vision of the Crookeet Media

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Speaker 1: podcast where we dive deep to your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 3: In this episode, previously, we're going to briefly talk about

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Speaker 3: the news that came out about Jonathan Major's from over

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Speaker 3: the weekend. In the Airlock, we'll be onto Yellowjackets Season

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Speaker 3: two the premiere, where we will recap that very fun

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Speaker 3: episode and maybe talk a little bit about some the

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Speaker 3: horror that we've loved so far this year. In the

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Speaker 3: Hive Mind, we're gonna have an interview with Scream six

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Speaker 3: co writer Guy Busick, which I cannot wait for. And

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Speaker 3: in the nerd Out, we've got a passionate plea from

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Speaker 3: Lucas on the Monk and Robot series by Becky Chambers.

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Speaker 1: We know there have been issues with the time stamps.

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Speaker 1: We're working on that, but you can still check the

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Speaker 1: show notes for those time stamps because they are there

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Speaker 1: for you to reference. Coming up the previously on Okay,

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Speaker 1: First up on the previously on. Some truly troubling news

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Speaker 1: about Jonathan Major's came out over the weekend. Over the

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Speaker 1: end of last week, per People magazine, which actually has

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Speaker 1: the police report quote. On Monday, People obtained documents from

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Speaker 1: the Manhattan District Attorney's office that show Major's thirty three,

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Speaker 1: was charged with three counts of assault in the third degree,

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Speaker 1: aggravated harassment in the second degree, three crowns of attempted

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. Some of the fallout for this includes the

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Speaker 1: Army pulling Majors from its ad campaign. The Army currently

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Speaker 1: embroiled in issues regarding its own problems with assault, cross

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Speaker 1: bad association with that. We don't know much more than

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Speaker 3: Not good news.

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Speaker 1: A statement from majors lawyer says the following that Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Majors was quote the victim of an altercation with a

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Speaker 1: and that video evidence and witness supported his account. The

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Speaker 1: statement continues, mister Majors is entirely innocent and did not

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Speaker 1: assault her whatsoever. And there was an earlier statement, I

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Speaker 1: something to the effect of mister Major just looks forward

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Speaker 1: to clearing his name completely, or something to that effect. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this is not good, not a lot of information to

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Speaker 1: say more about it. But obviously troubling up. Next, Yellowjackets,

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Speaker 1: we're stepping out of the airlock for the season two

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Speaker 1: premiere of Yellow Jackets on the beleaguered Showtime network.

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Speaker 3: Be Lee Good. If you tried to watch it this weekend,

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Speaker 3: you may agree with that statement.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that for a brief second before

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Speaker 1: we get into the recap. Originally the show was supposed

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Speaker 3: My understanding is that the show was released on streaming

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Speaker 3: we have confirmed that that will be the release schedule

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Speaker 3: and we will be talking about it on our Wednesday episodes.

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Speaker 3: WHOA Okay, so it's me Rosie. You can hear my voice,

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Speaker 3: not Jason's voice. Shocking twist, just like this episode is

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Speaker 3: to the Wilderness, Baby. The girls are trying to survive

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Speaker 3: a harsh winner and it is not going well. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Lottie, who you may remember nearly led

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Speaker 3: Happened ther The murder only was stopped by nat who

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Speaker 1: And Ladie is continuing down their paths of Now, remember

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Speaker 3: Which was unclear. I believe that. I believe Internet sleuths

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Speaker 3: But basically, I'm going to tell you she's not doing

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Speaker 1: Right, not to mention the fact that if you, you know,

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Speaker 3: Also, dropping off dropping off any meds is like a

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Speaker 1: I will say, to your point about her medication and

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Speaker 3: the really interesting thing here is Travis kind of embraces it.

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Speaker 3: So you're asking the important questions. One I will say,

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Speaker 3: Something is drawing people here, and I don't think Lottie

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Speaker 1: I completely And you know what, the pink and moive

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Speaker 3: kind of theater love of Crystal, who's humming a lot

435
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 3: and annoying everyone and breaking into song. Very good, weird,

436
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: sketchy character. I love her. And the best thing is

437
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: that we get this moment here that kind of shows

438
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: that her and Misty might become friends as long as

439
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: Misty doesn't mind like harmonizing with her. Yes, And it's

440
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: like the offers too good for Misty to turn down

441
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 3: as someone who's always seeking out friendship and who has

442
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 3: yet to find any kind of friend in this kind

443
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 3: of terrified extremely hard. Yeah, And I think that's one

444
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: of the things Richie does so well here is she

445
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 3: she puts across this desperation this like trying too hard.

446
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: That makes you understand why it might push people away,

447
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 3: But it's incredibly empathetic and feels just really sad. It's

448
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: such a great nuanced performance that manages to be scary

449
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: and hilarious and sad and compassionate and creepy. It's so good.

450
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 3: And in the last two that we kind of catch

451
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: up with in the past of Van and Tye, who

452
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: this is very interesting to me. I guess I hadn't

453
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 3: really realized until this episode that their romance was entirely

454
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: secret from the other girls. This is something that they

455
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: are keeping. We hear girls reference Oh why are they

456
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: always hanging out? Exactly? Are they talking about their boyfriends?

457
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: All this kind of stuff. I found that to be

458
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: very interesting because I think that's setting up a potential

459
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: future conflict, and also it separates them off from the

460
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 3: rest of the group, which bodes badly because ty has

461
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: been having these violent nighttime outbursts. She's been hurting Van,

462
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: she's been climbing up trees, she's been eating dirt, and

463
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 3: it's gotten to the point where Van and Tye now

464
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: sleep in the attic with their arms tied together by rope.

465
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: So it's a desperate situation, but they love each other.

466
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: They will only continue. They will only continue, continue to

467
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: get more done. And let's be real, we know Van

468
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 3: is a said immortal. She survived that plane crash. Apparently

469
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: she survived getting more by a wolf. She is our

470
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: immortal gay and I love her.

471
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: X Ray Vision will be back.

472
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: And we're back in the present. In one of my

473
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: funniest moment. I've watched this episode so many times at

474
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: this point because of writing different stuff about it and

475
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: watching it for the pod and everything. So Jeff's failing

476
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: business that he had to go to a loan shark

477
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 3: for yeah, is now doing exceptionally well since his life murdered.

478
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 3: Like he answers the phone he's talking about this is McDonald's,

479
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 3: because I'm selling six pieces like crazy. This man is

480
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 3: loving life and the business is doing great since Shawna

481
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: murdered Adam, which I'm saying is a blood sacrifice that

482
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: went right.

483
00:26:53,560 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: I can't say yeah, I can't say. I am holding

484
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: to the idea that most of this stuff is just

485
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of like in the eye of the beholder exactly.

486
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: It is really interesting, right, all of a sudden, his

487
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: business has just gone through the roofs. There's so many

488
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: people that the guts.

489
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: It's it's really fun because that's what I think I'm

490
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: loving the most about returning to this world is they're

491
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: giving us so much power in our subjectivity. Is it supernatural?

492
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: Is it not?

493
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 5: Is?

494
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: But after like the fourth time I watched the episode,

495
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: I was like, shit, why is just business going well?

496
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: I was like, this seems like it wasn't intentional. But

497
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: apparently in this world, if you just murder someone, like

498
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: something good's gonna happen to you. Speaking of weird culture

499
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: in the past, we kind of learned that Travis is

500
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: just completely consumed by the quest to find his brother Harvey.

501
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: That we last saw him on the Doom's Coming night

502
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 3: where he missed where he ran away after they were

503
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: trying to orgy murder his brother, and I mean troubling thing.

504
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: And I understand it.

505
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we get his feeling. I mean this is

506
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 3: ironically I kind of love that they wrote this into

507
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: the plot. It makes sense because it's his brother, but

508
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: it's also the thing that every viewer wants to know,

509
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: where is Harvey? Where is Harvey? Harvey wasn't Adam. They

510
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: did say they'd considered in the creators said that in

511
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: season one they'd considered Harvey being Adam and Adam being Harvey,

512
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: but they decided not to do it. So where is he?

513
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: Is he still alive? Did he die in the wilderness?

514
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: Travis is like seeing dead foxes and thinking it's his brother.

515
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: It's it's Nats like supporting him. She's going out and

516
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: searching for Harvey every day, even though it's winter and

517
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: it seems unlikely that he would be in any way alive.

518
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: But this is a show where people can survive a

519
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: wolf attack.

520
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: And everybody, everybody, I think he's alive simply because everyone

521
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: is like, there's no way, yeah, exactly. Like the amount

522
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: of people telling him that there's no way he's alive

523
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: tells me that he's got to be exactly.

524
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: And in a very weird moment, Lotty gives him like

525
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: a saucy boner inducing fireside vision when he's having a

526
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: panic attack. She like puts her hand on his chest

527
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: and shows him this tree stump that is kind of

528
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: pulsing with life, and she says, Harvey's okay, And obviously

529
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: NAT's like, fuck you, like say less, you can't say

530
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: that shit that. She's like say a lot fucking less

531
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: actually like, yeah, this is bad. You can't say that

532
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: to him, but that again to me, I am. I

533
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: believe that we could see at at Harvey this season,

534
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: and I believe he may well be with Lotty.

535
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah she could have.

536
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: She's she seems to have some kind of uh, survival

537
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: instincts within this forest. Like you said, it's somewhere that

538
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: she feels like she's thriving. Maybe there's somewhere that she's

539
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: hidden him away, or she's kind of keeping him secluded

540
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: and you know, inverted commas safe. We also learn something

541
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: interesting here again which I think really leads into the

542
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: lost of it All, which is like Nat while she

543
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: is helping Travis for his brother, is actually like making

544
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: a map and marking out the territory where they are.

545
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: It's good, and she's you know, she's using topological like

546
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: sketches to show mountains and she's doing this in secret

547
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 3: with Coach Ben. But there are like weird things about it,

548
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: like they're not finding any game, the animals are just gone,

549
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: and it kind of it's a very big map. So

550
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna start to see some hints that

551
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: maybe everything is not what it seems but like you said,

552
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: it's all about perception.

553
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is gonna end up being some

554
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: like top secret former military installation like X Men two,

555
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or like like Strikers, like Strikers,

556
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: like facility that created mutants, like for in Canada, something

557
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: like that.

558
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 3: That's like the belagued showtime. They're like, you know what

559
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: we need, we need roverin. We're just putting him in.

560
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: This is this is old man, Jonathan, he's been living

561
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: it now. I think you're right though, like essentially some

562
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: kind of X Men to Stranger Things kind of situation

563
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: where it's like, this is a weird military base. There's

564
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: a reason your plane would end up there. There's a

565
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: reason there was another plane there. There's a reason there's

566
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: a cabin there, you know, and there's a reason why

567
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: you're eight hundred miles away. I think that could be

568
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: a very interesting and quite likely twist, you know what,

569
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: even if that was the truth. Then some of the

570
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: girls got out, and somehow one of them was Shauna,

571
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: who is a true fool, Like I am everyday mad

572
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: at Shanna. She kept Adam's belongings. She said to Misty,

573
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 3: she destroyed everything. But actually she's like looking emotionally at

574
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: his ID card. She's dreaming of going to prison, like

575
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: and she's like calling up Jeff at his very successful

576
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: furniture business and she's like, hey, we got to destroy

577
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: Adam's things, including his art studio where I definitely never

578
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: went and definitely didn't have sex with him or kill him.

579
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: And I heard it some wear close, So let's.

580
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: Go what now. I think that Shawna is so repressed.

581
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Because this is such a bad idea, like so bad,

582
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: Like this is like such a bad idea annals.

583
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: Of bad ideas that have been and bad plans in television.

584
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: This is up there in like top five, like don't.

585
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: Do it up there.

586
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: It's way way up there. And the only way it

587
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: makes sense is that Seanna is so repressed that what

588
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: happens there is the thing she wanted to happen all along.

589
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a reason that she went there

590
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: and that's the only way she could get and the

591
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: thing that is most interesting. So this also, I will

592
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: just say this is one of my tinfoil hat theories.

593
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: After out there they get there stinks a weed. There's

594
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: somebody next door who was Adam's studio mate, who's blaring music.

595
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: What if that's Harvey and that's how Adam knew so

596
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: much about Shanna. That's my theory is Harvey was Adam's

597
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: friend and they were like scheming on her together. But anyway,

598
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: they get in there and shot Cora. The art studio

599
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: is actually filled with pictures of Shanna in a varying

600
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: states of undressed. They're very beautiful. Now, I will say

601
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: that if I were, if Misty was there, I think

602
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: Misty would have probably been like, Hey, don't do this,

603
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: but be leave these up, because then you can say,

604
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: this guy was stalking you and you killed him in

605
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: self defense if they catch you just saying, but Jeff

606
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: and Shwana are extremely fucked up, and I'm starting to

607
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: believe also have probably killed at least one person before.

608
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just like they're so chilling, ready to do it. Yeah,

609
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: they're ready to do this.

610
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: They decide to get down to business. But hint, I'm

611
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: not talking about destroying the paintings they Shanna like. She

612
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: starts telling Jeff about how much it turned her on

613
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: to think of him cheating, and how she's no longer

614
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: ashamed of who she is and they sort of, you know,

615
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 3: seems like they're gonna get it on. It's unclear. I

616
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: feel like at the end whether that was something that happened.

617
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: I think like they tried. I couldn't tell whether Jeff

618
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: was ashamed it happened or he kind of got uncomfortable

619
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: in the middle, which understandable. Seeing as you're fucking your

620
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: wife in the studio of the man that she murdered,

621
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 3: I could understand.

622
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: Why then you're helping to cover it up and actively

623
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: helping her to destroy evidence of the.

624
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: Crowd exactly, Like there's a lot going on there to

625
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: just focus on sex. Also, I would say again terrible

626
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: ideas that have been had in history and covering up

627
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: murders just like turpentining out the faces on these paintings

628
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: is like so sus and I know that they definitely

629
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: missed one. So this was just a terrible idea all around.

630
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: Either either burn the entire here's what I thought down,

631
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: burn the building down, murder of the next side or

632
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Or take all the paintings and burn them,

633
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: but don't one fuck in the place, leaving DNA and

634
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: heroin well, who knows my evidence so.

635
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: Much like you do not want to go in there

636
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: with a bla you are gonna get caught. This is

637
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: a terrible idea.

638
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: Then like destroy the paintings in a way that anybody

639
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: walking in and be like, what.

640
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: The fuck happened to these?

641
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: Right?

642
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I better find out who these are off

643
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: because they were obviously the person who did the turpentiny.

644
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: What's happened? Just like such bad choices and plans. And

645
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: if she'd have just called Misty then it would have

646
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: been fine. And I want to say I did not

647
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: include this in the full recap because it's not necessarily

648
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: story relevant, But I do have to say one of

649
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: the best scenes of this episode happens after this, which

650
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: is when Jeff goes and sits into his car and

651
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: listens to Papa Roach this is my last resort.

652
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: He's into it.

653
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: He's like hitting the wheel and he's feeling so angry

654
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 3: about Seana, and it's just such a good weird character moment.

655
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: Loved it. Speaking of good weird character moments, there is

656
00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: like this great sequence of events where Misty goes to

657
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: show have a showdown with the motel manager or of

658
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: the place where Nat was staying. She wants to know

659
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: what happened. He won't tell her anything. Larry the motel manager,

660
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: is like probably the first person who's ever said no

661
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: to Misty when she tries to blackmail him. It's so funny,

662
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: it's so good. And eventually she kind of just like

663
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: annoys him and gives him creepy chesha cat grins until

664
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: he says, well, she left, she paid in the middle

665
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: of the night, and Misty's like absolutely heartbroken because she

666
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: kind of believed their odd couple Yeah, and she thought

667
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: that odd couple friendship that they'd built while looking for

668
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: the truth of what happened was something real. And then

669
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: she realizes, once again, Misty coming through with the win,

670
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 3: the only observant person, the only clever person, the only

671
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 3: person paranoid enough to know what's going on. She notices

672
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: that the door jam of where of NAT's old room

673
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: is splintered, and she realizes that Nat was kidnapped. The

674
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: true hero of Yellow Jacket strikes once again, and yeah, like,

675
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 3: what the heck that is still alive? Good love. Juliet

676
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: lewis smashing it in this performance. Uh, and she is pissed.

677
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: She's tied to a bed as one would be who

678
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: she is absolutely furious. And so then we get a

679
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: new character here, we get Nicole Mayins, who's so brilliant,

680
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: and she comes in and and she looks a lot

681
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: like Loti. That was my read. I felt like, is

682
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: this Lotty's door like? And she I.

683
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: Thought the same thing.

684
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I will tell you what I think, and

685
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: that is there's a lot of weird sex shit happening

686
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: in this cult.

687
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I don't know it for I don't know it

688
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 6: for a fact yet, but what I've seen thus far

689
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 6: of Lottie's life and career as a wicked priestess lead

690
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 6: me to believe that there's a lot of.

691
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: Weird sex shit happening in this cult.

692
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: Completely this and also it just feels y. Yeah, it's

693
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: giving off the weird sex cop vibes. We know that

694
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: they were taking from real life inspiration. That is something

695
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: that's been very relevant recently. It feels weird. But this

696
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: young girl is like she's green in the captivity game. Yes,

697
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: they should not have sent her to be in charge

698
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: of NAT. Nat is a true survivor, like she will

699
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: do anything to survive and she does essentially like playing

700
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: this kind of cat and mouse game. Nicen Up the

701
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: girl and eventually getting a fork and stab in her

702
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: with it so she can escape.

703
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: Ruthless.

704
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: That shit was bad ass. I mean, she went for

705
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: the eye like she would have killed her, but luckily

706
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: the captor kind of she she you know, she she

707
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: blocked it with the hand and now she has a

708
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: fork in her hand, which she probably doesn't feel too

709
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: lucky about actually, and Nat is out of there, like boom, not,

710
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: this is not happening to me. You are incorrect. She

711
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: is also At first I was like, oh, she's running away,

712
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: but no, she is going to find Lotty like like

713
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: she fucking knows. And this is great because before this moment,

714
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: they're really playing with our expectations. We see Lotty. Lotty

715
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: is arguably like the only one in the group who's

716
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 3: kind of doing any kind of processing of what happened.

717
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: She seems to be wealthy, she seems to be successful.

718
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 3: So this is like a great moment because until now,

719
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: what we've really seen of Lotty's cult is like it's

720
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: a wellness place. People there look healthy, they look healthy,

721
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: they're in the beautiful nature. They're wearing creepy robes. But

722
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: maybe that's just our own perceptions of what our cult

723
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: is no, because when Natalie gets into those woods, she

724
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: sees people with terrifying like animal masks and they're burying

725
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: a man alive.

726
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: Yes, and yes, it seems like he's into it. I

727
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: would hope, so I certainly listen. I think, you know,

728
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: as a person who spent a lot of time around

729
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: hippies earlier in my life, younger in my life and

730
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: seen the hippies kind of grow up, I know a

731
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: lot of people who have become ensconced in different levels

732
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: of the wellness lifestyle, and a lot of it is like, hey,

733
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: drink this tea and you'll never get sick.

734
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: That kind of thing.

735
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it goes.

736
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: Beyond just the kind of like eat organic that kind

737
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: of like every day.

738
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a totally to.

739
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: The economy that you can that you can do.

740
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: It's it's I think for people who have been around it,

741
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: we've been in the in the kind of orbit of it.

742
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: This felt very much like a thing that I could

743
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: see people I know getting involved in.

744
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah that I think again, it's all about,

745
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: like you're saying, it's all about the eye of the beholder.

746
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: Is this just this way of lotty kind of recreating

747
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: in a safe inverted comma space, the feral nature of

748
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: being in the forest as it something that people want

749
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: to connect with and pay a lot of money for.

750
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: Or is she really doing some weird like blood ritual

751
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: that's still very up in the air here, but not

752
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: is like legit about the like cavew He's head in

753
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: with a branch Like she's like, why the fuck shouldn't I?

754
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: And Lotty is extremely chill like to a point of

755
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: being patronizing, and she absolutely knocks Nat for six by

756
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: telling her like, you don't want to do that because

757
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 3: I've got a message and it's from Travis and obviously

758
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, well that actually if I

759
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: was that, I'd be like, well fuck you, because didn't

760
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: you wipe his bank account before him? So like what

761
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: kind of message? But Natt is in a very unstable place.

762
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: Juliette Lewis does this bit of face acting, specifically with

763
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: the way she kind of grinds her teeth over her

764
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: lips in this scene that is just fucking heartbreaking. Like

765
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: she knows there is probably nothing honest and real about

766
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: what Lotty is about to tell her, but she wants

767
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: to hear that more than anything in.

768
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: The show is off the charts, fool. I think it's

769
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: very it's great.

770
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we kind of get this very interesting moment

771
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: in the present here that I think is very well

772
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: handled and kind of twenty cypress again give her all

773
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: the props. She creeps into the underpass underneath her house,

774
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: finds her blood shrine and is like.

775
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 6: Half shocked but also not shocked, and they're not shocked

776
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 6: enough enough, Like it's almost like when she.

777
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: Sees it, she kind of realizes. And then, in case

778
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: you weren't sure that she was the one who was

779
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: culpable for this blood shrine.

780
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 7: I was not sure right last season, and I wasn't

781
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 7: either because and even earlier on like when her wife

782
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 7: was yelling at her and she was like, I don't know,

783
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 7: but then when she was like, oh, fucking hit in

784
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 7: the But in this moment, she turns.

785
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: To Steve, good old Steve will be rooting for you, Steve,

786
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 3: and she says Steve and she says, oh, no, don't worry,

787
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: like that was a mistake about a dead dog. I

788
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 3: was like, what do you mean, Like you weren't supposed

789
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: to kill him?

790
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope, So.

791
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, what like this was an accident. I'm guessing

792
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: so from what we've seen especially, we get this, we

793
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: get some great moments here with her and Van. It

794
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: seems like this sleep disorder that she has where she

795
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: sort of is violent in her sleep, she's the woman

796
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: in the tree.

797
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: She climbs up.

798
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, some kind of disassociation that implies here. I think

799
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 3: that she was in that state when she did it.

800
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 3: But I was cracking jokes and she was like, sorry, Steve,

801
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: I'll do better, And I was like, ty, I guess about.

802
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: Creating a whole shrine, decapitating your dog, setting up little trinketstile.

803
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: That's a lot of work when you're asleep.

804
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, did she get down there? Like when did she

805
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 3: murder the dog? The dog went missing before he ended

806
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: up in the shrine, Like this seems at least a

807
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: slight plan. Maybe I guess a tinfoil hat throw out

808
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: there is she was still in contact with Loti or

809
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: someone who was involved in this blood cult kind of

810
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: situation and she delivered the dog but didn't know what

811
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: they would do with it. Nah, I think she did it.

812
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying.

813
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: I think that Lottie somehow has been able to place

814
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: like a post hypnotic suggestion ents and I.

815
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: Think I could definitely see that.

816
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: And I think because she wants to promote whatever it

817
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: is that she's doing, and you get a powerful state

818
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: senator elected and things get easier for you and whatever,

819
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: you know whatever, except right, maybe you get taxes at

820
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: status or your cult whatever like whatever it is, right.

821
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: But I think that she did that to Tyson, and

822
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: I think she's trying to do that with everyone, put

823
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: somehow break their minds and put something in there. I

824
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 1: like that that she can trigger, and I think she's

825
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: triggering these.

826
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 3: We know setting cults. They use hallucinogens to break people's

827
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: will and stuff, so we could see that multi It's

828
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 3: almost like, you know, has Loti been setting up her

829
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: own like Black Widow Network or Scroll Network. She just

830
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 3: like triggers people by saying like a And think about

831
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: imagine if Tyan Lotty had stayed in touch and she

832
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: was like, I'll send you these wellness drinks, they'll help

833
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 3: with your sleeping. But really she's drugging her and kind

834
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: of giving her strange hypnosis. I love this, and I

835
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 3: love like you said, I think there's a great version

836
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: of this which will we're getting close to the end,

837
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 3: and I think near the end you could say subverts

838
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: this a little bit. I like this idea that Lotty

839
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: could be the nightmarish cult leader who's planning all of this,

840
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: or she absolutely could not be. And it's just like

841
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: a wellness scammer, and she's exciting, yeah, and.

842
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: All little kidnapping like we know, we know, we know

843
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: it the very she's criminal.

844
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: Shit, we know she's doing some criminals. She's at least

845
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: kidnapping people, you know. I would say in the theory

846
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: you could argue that there's a version where it's like

847
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: she kidnapped nap because she was relapsing. Cults do stuff

848
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: like that.

849
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to help you exactly addictions.

850
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it's really interesting stuff. And then we

851
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: get it's really funny because we there's this brutality of

852
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: the the scary sheep masks and and nat and this,

853
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: and then you go to this kind of suburban ideal

854
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: of Jeff and Shawna who are just so much scarier

855
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 3: than not he could ever be, and and they decide

856
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: that they're going to get rid of Adams belongings by

857
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: burning them on a barbecue but then immediately cooking food

858
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: on the plastic fire stuff.

859
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: Throw this stuff away in different places, throw it down.

860
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: So they were in the but like especially when, as

861
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: we have seen, Jeff and Shawna's daughter.

862
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: Calli, is all up in.

863
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: Particular business kind of being the worst, as teenagers often are,

864
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: but like, oh, she's the worst.

865
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: She's the fucking worst. But you know, and the funniest

866
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 3: thing is this is how good again? Literally, like Callie,

867
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: you had a fucking worst, Like why do you want

868
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 3: trying to switch on your mom? Like your mom is crazy?

869
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: But going through a ship, you guys are alive ship

870
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: having affairs of murdering people. You weren't on that plane.

871
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: You dressed up for Halloween in your thumbs cheerleading costume,

872
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: like you are the worst. And I was just it

873
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: blew my mind that Jeff was like, yeah, we'll just

874
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: grill up some franks on here. I was like, are

875
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: you trying to kill yourself? Like this is on the

876
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: tree they they eat these nasty plastic franks And basically

877
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: like Calli, as you pointed out, is like fuck you,

878
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to eat this ship. And you guys

879
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: have got some sush shit going on. And as the

880
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 3: episode comes to a close, we see Callie discover Adam's

881
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: ID card bomb bomb.

882
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: But you gotta make sure that ship is burn literally

883
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: his face like you could have just swallowed it, just scissors.

884
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: Subway, like you the terrible come on, Scissors, You just

885
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: can't have his face. His face is there, Peter god

886
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: Gadoire's beautiful face, and he's looking at a Cali And

887
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 3: Kelly is like, I'm gonna fucking take this bitch down.

888
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 3: Like Kelly's ready, her teenage resentment of her mom is

889
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: gonna take down her whole family if she's not kept.

890
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you, I believe Shawna would kill her

891
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: own door. She would do it now, I believe it.

892
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: So Kelly should watch her back because it's gonna end

893
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: badly for her. We get like a rare bit of

894
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 3: sweet wilderness news as ty and Vang kind of tell

895
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: each other that they love each other. Yeah, very cute,

896
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: but it only happened after Tye almost ripped Van's lip

897
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: off in a kind of nighttime violent trance. But I

898
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: think they're setting something up here. We don't get to

899
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: see Lauren Ambrose, who plays adult Van. We know she

900
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: got cast earlier this year. We don't get to see

901
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: her here, but I think they're basically establishing like Van

902
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: isn't scared of Tyser. Van accepts Tyser for who she

903
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: is Van, even with Tyson's nighttime trances all this stuff,

904
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: and I would assume that we will see Tie return

905
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: to Van as that kind of place of safety. That's

906
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: my guess. It could be something else. I think the

907
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: clip of Van that we see and the credits kind

908
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: of sees her being distracted by somebody knocking on her

909
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: door or something, which feels very similar to NAT's kidnapping.

910
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: So maybe it won't be that sweet, but that's kind

911
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: of where my gut is going with it. Travis and Nat,

912
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: on their little excursion, discover what looks to be the

913
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: magical tree from Travis's sexy vision and it's still blooming

914
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: in the middle of winter. So that's strange.

915
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, fake tree.

916
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: Maybe if we're talking about like a military base something

917
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: like that.

918
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: You I don't chemicals like the old like it's the

919
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: old beach like something like this is like a poisoned

920
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: area with chemicals that are doing weird shit.

921
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good idea. I like that. The idea

922
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: that something seeping into the ground and even the meat

923
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: they're eating is actually infected by it.

924
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: Like they're always what if they're always eating a low

925
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: level of whatever, the yes, whatever has suffused the landscaper.

926
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: You know. Also, I will say I was rewatching the

927
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: first season when I was doing the recap for the

928
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: show and writing about Misty, found a lot of magic mushrooms,

929
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: very very quickly. Founder they are just there. So I

930
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: think you could be onto something that there's kind of

931
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: some kind of infusion that's making them have this kind

932
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: of group hysteria. And really Nat is so far the

933
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 3: only one who doesn't seem to have brought into it

934
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: at all. But all of that great episode, Love this episode,

935
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: but it's all basically irrelevant because the big news of

936
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: this episode is that the cannibalism has finally begun. And

937
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: I will say, yeah, it's what we've all been waiting for.

938
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: The crowd goes mad, cannibalism, curnibalism. I was shocked to

939
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: see who the first cannibal me Too, turned out to be.

940
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: They did a great job, as we said in this episode,

941
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: they set up, and they set up, and they set

942
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: up this kind of chaotic black hole in the middle

943
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: of the show and it is Shorna. So by the

944
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: time this happened, I yelled, but I was like, oh,

945
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: so the final moment of the show, which is just

946
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: so good and so gross, Shawna's just chilling walking around

947
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: the cabin and she just pulls Jackie's ear out of

948
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: her pocket and she holds it close and she just

949
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: swallows it. And there is and her friend has been

950
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: dead for two months, and there is the title of

951
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: your episode's friends Romance Countrymen, Let me in it. That's

952
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: so good. Okay, okay, questions I have for you after

953
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: this episode? So I want to know is Shauna the antlerquin.

954
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: We all feel like it's Lotty because of the colt

955
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: and like the kind of the regality, and we saw

956
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: Lotty wearing a headdress. But I'm like, if Shanna is

957
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: the first cannibal, is she the one who spreads it

958
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 3: within the group?

959
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't know.

960
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised, but I also would not

961
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: be surprised if it's this. It's the junior Varsity become

962
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: the people closest around Oh my god, I love that

963
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: around Lottie, that become the people that she you know

964
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: the younger, more impressionable, they don't know her as well,

965
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: and she's able to kind of create her identity with them.

966
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: I do wonder if it's going to be them who

967
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: are the closest to her.

968
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, her, I think that makes a lot of sense,

969
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 3: especially because the one person we know is in that

970
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 3: circle is Misty, and if Misty makes that connection with Crystal,

971
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: she would likely tag along with whatever kept her in

972
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: the friendship group the popular group. Also, that makes a

973
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: lot of sense because then you can assume that the

974
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: older girls may actually become the prey, because we still

975
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: have that big mystery from the first episode, who was

976
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 3: the girl running through the forest? You know, who was

977
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: the girl that they slit her throat? And they potentially

978
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 3: ate her though, and we can't confirm or deny that.

979
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: Ask that how much do you think Shanna and the

980
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: rest are aware of what Lottie is up to these days?

981
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 3: That I think is the biggest question of this season.

982
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: I think the fact that nat Like breathed there and

983
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 3: just immediately knew that she was looking for Lotty and

984
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 3: was screaming for Lotti makes me think that Lotti might

985
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 3: not necessarily be that secretive, but I will also say

986
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: we know she's not like a celebrity wellness person because

987
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 3: the final line of the last episode was NAT's ex

988
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 3: AA sponsor basically saying to her, who the fuck is

989
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: Lotti Matthews? So it's not it's not someone who is.

990
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: Actually she's not like famous. But I think, like to me,

991
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: I actually think the biggest bet I have now is

992
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: that Shauna knows. I just think Seanna knows Sean. I

993
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: think Seanna probably kept tabs on Lotty because then she

994
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: could be another one of those intrusive thoughts and secrets

995
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 3: that constantly promises to burn down her life. Yeah, like,

996
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: oh what if somebody found out that I knew? And

997
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: then that leads to the next question, which is, you

998
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: know we were saying, like, is the captor who was

999
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: fighting with Nat who got the fork to the hand

1000
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: that Lotti's dor. I think that's like a good bet.

1001
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 2: I think it's a good bet as well.

1002
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 3: But my name is Dan, one of our discord users.

1003
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 3: He brought something up that people in our discord were

1004
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: very into, which is is that character that Nicole Mayan's

1005
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: plays actually shorn as Wilderness Baby whoa don't don't darn

1006
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: because you know what my timelines.

1007
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: I need to find out what happened to the Wilderness.

1008
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 3: We need to find out up to baby. We're back

1009
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 3: to the baby conversation again. We need to know babies

1010
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 3: because I like that one too. Me too, because also

1011
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: the thing is right, so I hilariously, I just like,

1012
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: didn't my I'm not gonna maths first of all, and

1013
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: second of all, the narrative of the show was so

1014
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 3: engaging that I kind of just hadn't really put together

1015
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: that it was twenty five years since, even though they

1016
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 3: say it many times, but like to me, I was

1017
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: just like, well, maybe Cally was the baby, Like how

1018
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 3: old could you? And then it was this episode where

1019
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, that's like Kelly's like a teenager.

1020
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: This is that's not the Wilderness baby. That's like a

1021
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: different baby. So who where is the Wilderness baby? I

1022
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: will say, super produce a soul. I'm gonna put this

1023
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: one out there. It's a very bleak tim for hat theory.

1024
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 3: So a cover year is if you don't want to

1025
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: hear it, oh no, he suggests maybe they ate the baby?

1026
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: Did they could?

1027
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: It could be the case. I will say that if

1028
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: Lottie has.

1029
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: Been raising the Wilderness baby. How would she get the baby?

1030
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: Here's what I here's how I think it could help Shauna.

1031
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: We've seen that she has shame issues, guilty issues, particularly

1032
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: around her her expressions of her own sexuality.

1033
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 3: Which the baby is living proof baby is.

1034
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they get rescued and Lottie says, you know what,

1035
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: I'll say, it's mine.

1036
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: I'll say, I think that could definitely happen.

1037
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: Pregnant in the forest and I'll say it's mine. Mm hmm.

1038
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe this whole thing with this mysterious guy

1039
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden coming out of nowhere to like

1040
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: proposition her sexually, and this whole affair that happened that

1041
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: resulted in murder, I would not be surprised if Lottie's pulling.

1042
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I love that theory because I do think that Adam,

1043
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: being a follower of Lotty's, his job was basically just

1044
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: to unsettle and kind of upset Shana and play on

1045
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: those weaknesses that Lotty knew she had. I think that's

1046
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: very legit and very likely. I think nat probably knew

1047
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: what lott he was up to, but didn't care. The

1048
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 3: one the funniest shit is Misty seems like the one

1049
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: who's probably like least bothered because she was probably like, no, Lott,

1050
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: he was never my friend. These girls were my friends.

1051
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like I could tell Misty anything, Yeah,

1052
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, whatever has bothered me, whatever I've done that

1053
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm a shade of I feel like I could tell

1054
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: Misty and Missy be like, it's fine, we fix it.

1055
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 3: The final question, speaking of our but love and Misty,

1056
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: is like, so she killed the Jannet the pi that

1057
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: Tyson hied Jessica at the end of the last season.

1058
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: Is that to come back and bite her or is

1059
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: she just likes to Yeah, it feels like it has to.

1060
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: I feel like that and Adam's death are going to

1061
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: be these kind of jeweling things that threatened to take

1062
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: them down. But I also like the idea that she's

1063
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 3: like a killing Eve, like early season killing Eve style

1064
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: killer who just kills people and just gets away with it.

1065
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: I'll make it.

1066
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: I'll make a tinfoil head prediction. I think it's going

1067
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: to be her parrot that undos her. It puts her

1068
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: at risk of suspicion for that murder.

1069
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: That is such a good call.

1070
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: I absolutely like going to start saying murder shit because

1071
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: I absolutely true.

1072
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: Also, the parrot has a prominent place in the first season.

1073
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: It really does credits so like and I think you're

1074
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: right because guess who was down there listening when her

1075
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 3: and Shauna were practicing for the police. It was the parrot. Jason,

1076
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 3: You've blown my mind that that was the one. Now,

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to cover the rest of the season

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Speaker 3: and see how the parrot plays.

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Speaker 1: Into We'll be following Yellow Jackets all season here on

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00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: x Ray Vision. Up next, Hive Mind with Scream six

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Speaker 1: co writer Guide Music.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Hive Mind, where we explore a topic

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Speaker 3: in more detail with the help of expert guests. This week,

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Speaker 3: we're thrilled to have Guy Busic, co writer of Scream

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00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: six and twenty twenty two Scream. Hey, Guy, thanks so

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00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: much for being here.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love Scream so much. I have a Scream

1089
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: tattoo and I'm like a huge little ghost face up there.

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00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 5: I love it.

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00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is just like a dream I loved

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00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 3: and I loved the New Scream movie, and I loved

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00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: Scream you know five in the ed commas. I love

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00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: the core for so we're just We're so stoked to

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00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: have you here. But seeing as this is Xtra Vision,

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00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 3: which is our kind of mine and Jason's hub for

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00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: all the things we love, I'll start with a little

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00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: bit of a less horror focused question and say, what's

1099
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: your book origin. What was the thing that got you

1100
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: into comics and made you love comic books.

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00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 5: I think it was Batman eighty nine. It was the

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00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 5: summer that that came out, and I was walking around

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00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 5: the mall.

1104
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 6: I was in a.

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00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 5: Bookstore and I saw the cover for Death in the

1106
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 5: Family and I was like, what the hell is that

1107
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 5: they killed Robin? So I picked that up and then

1108
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 5: found out that like people voted for that for the

1109
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 5: second Robbin Jason Todd to die. And then I just

1110
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 5: started buying more Batman comics and graphic novels and compilations

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00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 5: like trade paperbacks in anticipation of the movie. So by

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00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 5: the time the movie had come out, which I saw

1113
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 5: I think seven times in the theater, I was probably thirteen.

1114
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 5: I think that summer I was kind of caught up

1115
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 5: on a lot of the so called classics of the era,

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00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: and then so Batman just got me into like so

1117
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 5: Robin's and the teen Titans SAI. Then I'd get into

1118
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 5: the Teen Titans, who became the New Titans, and so

1119
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 5: I catch up on the New Titans, and then Batman

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Speaker 5: was in the Justice League, so I'd start reading Justice

1121
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 5: League and it was in that wonderful Justice League International era. Yeah,

1122
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 5: and so and from there it was like then I

1123
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 5: went back and read Crisis on Infinite Earths, and I

1124
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 5: was just a DC head. From then on, I just

1125
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 5: got into everything Green Lantern and Hawkman Flash, all of it,

1126
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 5: and some Marvel. But I didn't become like a died

1127
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 5: in Woe Marvel fan until the movies, until the NCU,

1128
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 5: there were just only a few characters that I was

1129
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 5: really invested in. For whatever reason. I love them all

1130
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 5: in comic book format and TV and movie form, but

1131
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 5: for whatever reason, I was really drawn to the DC universe,

1132
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 5: and I still am. I still love those comics and

1133
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 5: those characters.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense thinking about, you know, Batman and Pity nine,

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Speaker 1: Batman of that era being your your entry point, What

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01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: about your actually point into horror? What was the thing

1137
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: you've You've worked so much in the horror genre, what

1138
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: was the thing that really got you into horror?

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Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't a horror kid growing up, and

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 5: I think part of it was that, like my parents

1141
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: were a bit protective of likes and stuff like that.

1142
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 5: So that very same summer that Batman came out, well,

1143
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 5: I guess it was the fall because I met Ryan Murphy,

1144
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 5: my co writer Ridy or not not the Ryan Murphy

1145
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 5: of American horror story, I always have to clarify. And

1146
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 5: he was also into Batman and movies and comics and

1147
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 5: all that great stuff. I remember we talked about Got

1148
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 5: Them by Gaslight, this book that had come out that summer,

1149
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 5: and that's was one of our first bonding points, is

1150
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 5: we're kind of feeling each other out, like are we

1151
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 5: going to be friends?

1152
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 6: Is this?

1153
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 5: Are we cool? Are we vibing here? And we became

1154
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 5: really really close friends. And he was the horror kid,

1155
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 5: and so he would, you know, like I could watch

1156
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 5: all this stuff at his house that I could watch

1157
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 5: on my own, and most of it turned me off.

1158
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 5: I was like, I just I don't get it. It's

1159
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 5: not for me. I don't really like these characters, blah

1160
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 5: blah blah. And now I look back on a lot

1161
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 5: of that stuff and I'm like, I was so wrong.

1162
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 5: This is build, but as a kid, it just kind

1163
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 5: of maybe I was just a little too protected for

1164
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 5: it at the time. So it was Scream, you know,

1165
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 5: ironically it was Wow. I saw it opening day in

1166
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety six, and it was the one that blew

1167
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 5: my mind with Kevin's just amazing script and Wes's direction

1168
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 5: and that cast, that classic amazing cast, and for the

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01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 5: first time, I was like, oh, horror can be fun.

1170
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 5: It can be funny, it can be meta, you can

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01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 5: have a conversation with your audience. For the first time,

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Speaker 5: I'm seeing myself in a horror movie, as you know,

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01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 5: Randy the movie nerd. And it's just that I care

1174
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 5: about these characters and when they die it hurts. It's

1175
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 5: not so much about the killer, it's about the victims.

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01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 5: You're really on their side for once, and it was

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Speaker 5: a murder mystery. It was just like, how can it

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01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 5: be all of these things, you know, a horror movie.

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Speaker 5: And so that's when I think my true love started.

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01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 5: And then I went back and rewatched a lot of

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01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 5: others from the earlier periods and it was like, Okay, yes,

1182
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 5: now I kind of get it. But it was like

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01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 5: Scream kind of broke the damn for me. And then

1184
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 5: the fact that they were able to follow that up

1185
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 5: in twelve months with another great Scream, like we really were.

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01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: Actually incredible that that happened, Like yeah.

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Speaker 3: Probguably one of the best horror sequels of all time.

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Speaker 3: And they did it with any.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, within a year, And I was like, well they

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01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 5: I mean, they must have rushed it. How could it

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01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 5: possibly be high quality if it's twelve months later and

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01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 5: they did it again, And I was just like, I

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01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 5: just I am in awe. And so the fact that

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 5: I'm now, you know, getting to talk to Kevin, work

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01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 5: with Kevin on screen movies is just blowing my twenty

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 5: one year old mind in the past somehow, you know,

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01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 5: if I could just go back and say, you're not

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01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 5: going to believe this, but this movie that changed your

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Speaker 5: life in terms of loving the genre, like you're going

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01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 5: to get to work on that someday. I just I

1201
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 5: still can't believe it. It's so surreal and I'm pinching myself.

1202
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 5: And anytime I'm writing a legacy character, you know, created

1203
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 5: by an earlier writer, you know Kevin in particular, like

1204
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 5: writing Dialogue for Gaile and just writing the name Gail

1205
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 5: I just like, how did I end up here? This

1206
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 5: is just a dream I love so Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love that so much, And I guess kind of

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01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 3: you could you talk a little bit about like how

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01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: you did get there? Obviously, like Ready or Not you

1210
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: have like h standing as evil, But Ready or Not

1211
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 3: was just such a huge smash people just in a way.

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01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: It had its own screen impact. It made people excited

1213
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 3: for horror. It made people feel like there was something

1214
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: different that you could play with in this world. What

1215
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: was that like for you? Kind of getting to make

1216
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: this independent, unique take on horror and then having it

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01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 3: so well received.

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01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 5: Well, that's just really levey to hear you so happy

1219
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 5: to think that people might have had that experience.

1220
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 3: I know so many people who'd want big horror heads

1221
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: who just absolutely adored it.

1222
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was a confluence of I mean,

1223
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 5: all the planets aligned basically. You know, Ryan and I

1224
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 5: we met, you know, when we were thirteen. We moved

1225
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 5: out here right after high school, went to college, different colleges,

1226
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 5: but we were always, you know, still very close. And

1227
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 5: then we would write together or write separately for many years,

1228
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 5: and we were working in different genres. We were selling

1229
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 5: pitches for big action sci fi things, they just weren't

1230
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 5: getting made, and so we just made a conscious decision,

1231
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 5: let's just do something smaller, low budget genre so you

1232
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 5: don't need a star, you know, and horror is just

1233
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 5: it never goes away. It's always going to be popular,

1234
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 5: and so we settled on that. We came up with

1235
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 5: the idea I think in like twenty thirteen, Wow, and

1236
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 5: we wrote this spec and it didn't set the world

1237
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 5: on fire, and so at that point it's like twenty fourteen,

1238
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 5: it hasn't It hasn't sold. We slipped it to a

1239
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 5: few producers, no one bit. So I'm thinking I'm going

1240
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 5: to quit the business at this point. And my good

1241
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 5: friend James Vanderbilt Jamie who's my co writer on Scream

1242
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two and Scream six. He's a very close

1243
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 5: friend too. I met him because he went to college

1244
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 5: with Ryan. So it's just all a very, you know,

1245
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 5: small world kind of a situation. But Jamie was a

1246
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 5: big fan of that script. It was called family Ritual

1247
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 5: at the time, not Ready or Not, and the wedding

1248
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 5: element wasn't part of it, to believe it or Not,

1249
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 5: which is which is pretty much its whole identity which

1250
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 5: I know, right the bride with the with the cigarette

1251
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 5: and all covered in blood, and but it was basically

1252
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 5: like the Alex character bringing Grace home to see if

1253
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 5: you can get permission to marry her. And it was

1254
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 5: like over the Easter weekend or something. And then get

1255
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 5: Out happened and it was like, well, that's already the

1256
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 5: horror version. I meet the parents and so we had

1257
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 5: to pivot. And then we came up with the wedding

1258
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 5: thing and it was on track. But yeah, I mean

1259
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 5: it was a slow process. It took about six years

1260
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 5: from you know, coming up with the idea to it

1261
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 5: coming out.

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01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

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01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 5: But we found Radio Silence. They pitched on it, and

1264
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 5: we immediately when we met them, we knew this is

1265
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 5: going to be a long and fruitful partnership. Matt, Tyler

1266
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 5: and Chad are just we all share a very very

1267
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 5: similar sensibility. We kind of all have like a high

1268
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 5: mind speaking of my mind, and uh, I love those guys.

1269
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 5: And I knew that there were the right people for it.

1270
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 5: And then Searchlight came on board and like our execs

1271
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 5: there completely got it. The marketing was great and it

1272
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 5: was just really cool. I mean, I'm so that one

1273
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 5: is always going to hold a special place in my heart,

1274
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 5: not just because it was my first produced movie. I

1275
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 5: don't count the other one, but because it was original,

1276
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 5: and it was so different and so odd, and it

1277
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 5: was a little bit hard to put in a box

1278
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 5: because it was again, it wasn't just one thing. And

1279
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 5: I always say, you know, you can draw a straight

1280
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 5: line from screen to ready or not in terms of like,

1281
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 5: hopefully it's a fun ride first and foremost, and hopefully

1282
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 5: it gives you characters or at least one character that

1283
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 5: you really like and root for and want to see

1284
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 5: make it through. And you know, again you mentioned some

1285
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 5: ri It's like that was lightning in a bottle. It

1286
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 5: couldn't have been better casting across the board. But wow,

1287
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 5: her performance is just just next level. And so to

1288
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 5: get to bring her back first Dream six was a

1289
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 5: treat for everybody. You know, I was, I was. I

1290
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 5: did not get to be on set when she was

1291
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 5: doing her scenes. I had already come back from from Montreal.

1292
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 5: But watching those dailies, my my wife and I were

1293
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 5: in stitches because her outtakes her you know, like, there

1294
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 5: are different takes of that scene are just she's so

1295
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 5: funny and likable and goofy, and it's just like she

1296
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 5: said that that's the character that she's played that's closest

1297
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 5: to her and I find that just lovely and love that.

1298
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: So how did you get there? From ready or Not

1299
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: to the screen franchise? What was you know? How did

1300
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: that kind of evolve?

1301
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 5: That was a very strange story and one of those

1302
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 5: things that never happens in this business and I consider

1303
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 5: myself one of the luckiest people on earth because of it.

1304
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 5: It's my good friend Jamie who I mentioned I met

1305
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 5: when we were eighteen and freshmen at different colleges. He

1306
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 5: has a company called Project X Entertainment that has produced

1307
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 5: these screen movies and they had a deal with Spyglass

1308
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 5: Media Group where I think it was just for TV,

1309
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 5: but they kind of had a general meeting with Gary

1310
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 5: Barber who owns and runs it, and they had acquired

1311
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 5: some of the old Weinstein Company assets, Scream being the

1312
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 5: kind of the main one, like the big one that

1313
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 5: he really wanted to do something with. And Jamie's been

1314
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 5: a longtime screen fan too, and he had met Kevin

1315
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 5: Williamson early in his career and Kevin was very very

1316
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 5: kind and supportive of him. When he was sort of

1317
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 5: a baby writer, and so Jamie was like, well, I

1318
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 5: would really like to try something with that, and Gary

1319
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 5: was like, well, would you write it? And he said yeah,

1320
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 5: And so they walked out of that meeting and they

1321
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 5: had scream and he knew he didn't want to He

1322
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 5: knew it was he wanted radio silence, and he knew

1323
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 5: he didn't want to do it by himself. And he

1324
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 5: picked me because I, you know, he knows how much

1325
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 5: reverence I have for the franchise and how much love

1326
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 5: I have for Kevin and Wes and those first poor movies.

1327
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 5: And I think he was all so a little busy

1328
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 5: at the time. So it was like, if I could

1329
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 5: split the work, I'd be great.

1330
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1331
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 5: And so he called me and I was in New York,

1332
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 5: which is kind of funny because we had ended up

1333
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 5: doing six in New York, but I was on my

1334
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 5: wedding anniversary with my wife. It was our ten year anniversary.

1335
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 5: We had just come out of play. I saw that

1336
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 5: he had called. I was worried that one of our

1337
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 5: many projects together had fallen apart. We didn't want to

1338
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 5: call him back. I was like putting it up. And

1339
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 5: I called him and he just said, hey, so all

1340
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 5: the projects are fine because he knows me, he knows

1341
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 5: that's whatever. And he goes, he goes, do you want

1342
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 5: to write Scream five with me? And I just my

1343
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 5: job rop And you know, I was just in shock

1344
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 5: for like the next hour. And so I came back

1345
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 5: and we watched the four movies in person together, came

1346
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 5: up with our wish list of like what do we

1347
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 5: as fans want to see in a screen movie? Like

1348
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 5: if this is the last one we ever get, what

1349
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 5: is it? How do we as fans create something that

1350
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 5: we would love? And we were just completely in sync

1351
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 5: and it was so easy to work together. And I'm

1352
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 5: not saying that the scripts were always easy, but I

1353
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 5: think a lot of the ideas just kind of came to

1354
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 5: both of us independently, and we were sort of surprised

1355
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 5: to be like, oh you thought of that too, Oh

1356
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 5: my god, Okay, we're really of one mind on this

1357
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 5: thing and writing that that, you know, first draft of

1358
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 5: five it didn't take long at all. It was just

1359
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 5: like we kind of whipped through it in just a

1360
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 5: few weeks. And that's that was That was how I

1361
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 5: was just invited. It doesn't happen like that. It just it.

1362
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 5: It's the dream, you know, it was just here it is,

1363
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 5: and you know, I'm grateful that he had to put

1364
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 5: the trust and faith in me that I could do it.

1365
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 5: And you know, now we've done two together and seems

1366
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 5: to be working out. So I know, I'm very very

1367
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 5: grateful and very proud.

1368
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what was so what was it like then

1369
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 3: to not only get to play in this soundbox, then

1370
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 3: you're getting the legacy characters back. Then the movie comes

1371
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 3: out and people just love it and it makes a

1372
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: ton of money, which is kind of your dream in

1373
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 3: this really hard time for cinema and kind of cinema

1374
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 3: and distribution. Scream is a hit. It's a hit on

1375
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 3: a small budget. What was that? Ex variants?

1376
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,879
Speaker 5: Like a relief?

1377
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: It just.

1378
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 5: We we just thought, if anyone's gonna ruin the franchise,

1379
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 5: at least, let it be a couple of guys who

1380
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 5: absolutely love it and want to protect it. And yet

1381
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 5: we didn't want to ruin it. And so when it

1382
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 5: came out and it did connect with with you know,

1383
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 5: longtime fans and new fans and did well financially, it

1384
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 5: was just it was a huge relief. We didn't break

1385
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 5: the thing that we would you know, we actually were

1386
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 5: able to contribute and keep this thing alive and not

1387
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 5: just put it back on life support. But it was

1388
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 5: well received and people wanted more and people did like

1389
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 5: you know, the new characters, and so it was just gratifying.

1390
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 5: It just I felt very again, just relieved that we

1391
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 5: didn't ruin it and like create the work the one

1392
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 5: that you just killed it forever. And yeah, I was

1393
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 5: I was proud that we'd pulled it off because it

1394
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 5: had been eleven years, you know, since four and people

1395
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 5: really had kind of moved on from it, and Kevin

1396
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 5: had moved on from it, by the ways, like a

1397
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 5: lot of people involved and moved on for We had

1398
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 5: no guarantee that we were going to get those legacy

1399
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 5: actors back. We just kind of were like we blind

1400
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,879
Speaker 5: faith we write it. We try to write the characters

1401
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 5: as being in different places than we've seen them before,

1402
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 5: so give them something new to play. We know they

1403
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 5: love each other and we know they love you know,

1404
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 5: Wes and Kevin, but it was a leap to think

1405
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 5: that they would want to do a screen movie without Wes. Yeah,

1406
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 5: and so we just we had to take a shot,

1407
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 5: and you know, we got them, and we were thrilled

1408
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 5: we did. We weren't sure we were going to and

1409
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 5: we got them and they came back. And that was,

1410
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 5: like I said before, like writing dialogue for Sidney Prescott

1411
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 5: or Gail Webbers or Dewey Riley was you know, it

1412
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 5: was just a trip.

1413
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: I would imagine there are certain challenges to bringing back

1414
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: this franchise that are unique. You know, you've got to

1415
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: have that killer cold open. You've got to be able

1416
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: to play with the tropes of the form in a

1417
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: way that is entertaining. You've got to have a great

1418
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: murder mystery. What What were some of the things that,

1419
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: as you're watching these four movies in a row, you thought, Okay,

1420
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: we gotta do this, gotta do that.

1421
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 5: I think it's just the formula has always been the same,

1422
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 5: but with different it's like certain elements of it are

1423
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 5: dialed up or dialed down. I think one of the

1424
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 5: things that we really looked at was let's make it

1425
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 5: really legitimately scary again, because some of the meta got

1426
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 5: turned up a little higher in three and four. So

1427
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 5: and not to say there weren't wonderful scares in three

1428
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 5: and four, but I didn't feel some of the I

1429
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 5: don't even know how to put it, but just that

1430
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 5: gut level, like.

1431
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 3: You want to feel the terror, you want to feel

1432
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,839
Speaker 3: the kills likes five I think about a lot you feel.

1433
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: It's horrible.

1434
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it truly is. That was that was a

1435
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 5: rough one to think of, and right and shoot, and

1436
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 5: Dylan really was so good in it. It was like,

1437
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 5: oh god, that's really hard to watch. But another thing

1438
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 5: we went back to was really making sure the audience

1439
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 5: knew that these there are stakes again and we went

1440
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 5: back to two and we're like, we didn't. Nobody wanted

1441
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 5: Randy to die. That was terrible. And at midpoint in

1442
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 5: the movie, you know, Randy are our sort of audience

1443
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 5: identification character in many ways as being the movie Nerd

1444
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 5: is taken from us. And then three and four, you know,

1445
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 5: the core three, the Big three make it through and

1446
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 5: we were like, I think we're going to have to

1447
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 5: kill one. And it was a really rough conversation because

1448
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 5: we love those characters and Dewey has always been my

1449
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 5: personal favorite, and so that was a brutal realization to go.

1450
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 5: I think that's correct for this story because it's solved

1451
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 5: a lot of story problems for him to die, because

1452
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 5: why else would Sidney come back to Woodsboro?

1453
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 3: Ever, like Eva.

1454
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 5: There would be no reason, nothing could get it there

1455
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 5: except for you know, avenging her friend, you know, and

1456
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 5: so that it made sense, and it would also you know,

1457
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 5: Gail obviously would then have a real and the audience

1458
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 5: would be really, really pissed off. And but yeah, it's

1459
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 5: like it's coming up with the murderers, it's coming. I

1460
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 5: think the hardest things are always who is it and why?

1461
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 5: What's the motive? And because the motive is always of

1462
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 5: the time, and it's they're always very you know, very good,

1463
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 5: very smart, and I love like Joe Robertson in four,

1464
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 5: you know, it's like I don't want.

1465
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Jill Emma just absolutely killed it.

1466
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah she did, and I completely agree. And so

1467
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 5: that was another one where was like, that's very of

1468
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 5: the time of you know, social media becoming is just

1469
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 5: blowing up and you know tw twenty eleven into what

1470
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 5: it's become now, and so for us it was like, Okay,

1471
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 5: how do we These movies always have a conversation with

1472
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 5: their audience, and they always comment on not just horror

1473
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 5: tropes of the time, but also just pop culture, horror

1474
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 5: as a genre, movies in general, you know, and so

1475
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 5: it was like once we kind of found that toxic

1476
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 5: fandom angle so good. It was something that we've been

1477
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 5: witnessing in the last few years. It was just we're like, Okay,

1478
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 5: that's it, that's what we have to say right now,

1479
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 5: and it works perfectly in a screen movie, which is

1480
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 5: a movie about movies and fans, and so it really clicked.

1481
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 5: And then in terms of you know, the Killers, it

1482
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 5: was like, we so much of five is an homage

1483
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 5: to one, and we just thought it would be really

1484
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 5: fun to go back to the boyfriend and have it

1485
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 5: be you know, we wrote that part.

1486
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 3: Looks he looks as soon as you cost Jackquad, You're like,

1487
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 3: he's going to be the killer, right, and then you're like, well,

1488
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 3: well no, that would be too obvious.

1489
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 5: And I love this.

1490
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 3: No, he's the killer, literally him.

1491
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 5: And we copied that from one because Skating Matthew are

1492
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 5: telling you over and over and yet they pull it

1493
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 5: off and it's still a shock when when they're the killers.

1494
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 5: And that's just Kevin's brilliant writing. Yeah, Wes is directing,

1495
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 5: and and those performances by those two iconic actors but yeah,

1496
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 5: it was like, let's let's do that. Let's try to

1497
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 5: do that same magic trick where it's like, oh, it's

1498
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 5: got to be him. Oh no, now it definitely can't

1499
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 5: be him. Oh god, it was.

1500
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: Right the first time.

1501
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 3: Okay. Also, I know we haven't even gotten to Sick yet,

1502
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 3: but like, I just need to ask because you talked

1503
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 3: about Skee I screamed the first time in five when

1504
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 3: you revealed like the daughter of Billy Loomis and kind

1505
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 3: of bringing back Skee as this other legacy character. Could

1506
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 3: you talk a little bit about that choice, Like did

1507
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 3: you get any pushback on that? Because it's real late

1508
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 3: stage horror movie sequel stuff, which is why I loved it.

1509
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 3: But was that something that people were like, it's not

1510
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 3: gonna work. It's too out there, like we need our

1511
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 3: final gal to be pure and kind of follow those

1512
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 3: older rules.

1513
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think not so much. On the Billy Loomis's

1514
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 5: legitimate daughter, we didn't get a lot of pushback on that.

1515
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 5: We got a lot of pushback on the idea that

1516
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 5: we would actually see Billy. Yeah, and they were nervous

1517
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 5: and we understood why. But there were conversations and they said,

1518
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 5: if you you know, if he agrees to do it,

1519
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 5: do it. We may not end up using anyo and

1520
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 5: you know, it may be a voiceover, it may not

1521
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 5: be any kind of dialogue with Billy at all. And

1522
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 5: then once they saw it, nobody ever brought it up again.

1523
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 5: And I will say one thing about the pushback was

1524
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 5: that gave us confidence that we were doing the right

1525
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 5: thing by trying it. At least was we pitched the

1526
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 5: whole thing to Kevin and he maybe even read the

1527
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 5: draft at that point, and he said, the one thing

1528
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 5: that doesn't feel like a screen movie is this seeing

1529
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 5: the sort of phantom Billy that's in her head. And

1530
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 5: he's like, that's why I think you have to do it.

1531
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 5: And that was like, oh, thank you. You just gave

1532
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 5: us the best kind of permission to go and try something.

1533
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 5: It's a big swing, you know, as you said, it

1534
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 5: could have gone horribly wrong. If it had, it wouldn't

1535
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 5: have made it in there. But yeah, I mean, Billy

1536
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 5: and Stu are you know, as much a reason for

1537
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 5: the success of that movie and for kind of the

1538
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 5: love of the franchise as any of the other cast members.

1539
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 5: You know, they skate and Matthew just I mean I

1540
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 5: was quoting them on the way to the car after

1541
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 5: my first screaming it bit, you know, because they were

1542
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 5: so I mean, those performances are just the stuff of legends.

1543
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 5: So we were me and I got really excited at

1544
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 5: the idea that this is Billy's legacy and Billy's going

1545
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 5: to be in it, and Sydney's going to have to

1546
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 5: come face to face with Billy's daughter who you know,

1547
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 5: he got Sam's mother pregnant while he was with Sydney,

1548
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 5: most likely because she refused to sleep with him, and

1549
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 5: so he went outside of that relationship and yeah, here

1550
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 5: we go. And to have those two women fighting side

1551
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 5: by side was just kind of a we thought that

1552
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 5: was It just gave us the giggles.

1553
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 1: We thought, Yeah, how early in the process did the

1554
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: idea of having a family of killers come to be?

1555
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 5: That was pretty early, and I will say, you know,

1556
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 5: full transparency, we didn't always know it was Richie's family. Oh,

1557
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 5: but we did love the idea of three ghost faces.

1558
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 5: And it's kind of a hard overcome to imagine three

1559
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 5: people being like minded enough that they'd want to go

1560
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 5: on killing screens together and have the same motive. And

1561
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 5: so we came up with family, I think out of

1562
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 5: the desire to want to do three for the first time. Yeah,

1563
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 5: and then it really finally clicked when we were like,

1564
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 5: there's there's something that's not because we also wanted the

1565
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 5: motive in six to be primal and not sort of intellectual,

1566
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 5: because the motive in five was about an idea about movies,

1567
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 5: about wanting my favorite franchise to get back on track,

1568
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 5: so I'm going to help out, and it's not really primal,

1569
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 5: it's just more of an intellectual exercise. So with this one,

1570
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 5: we're like, it's got to be something really really someone

1571
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 5: has to hate Sam and then it, you know, not

1572
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 5: a huge leap to get from there. This is this

1573
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 5: is a family full of psychos and this father is

1574
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 5: just so twisted. All of his kids ended up this way. Yeah,

1575
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 5: and you notice that Jack Champion, you know, please, Ethan

1576
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 5: looks a lot like Jack Quaid.

1577
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 3: It does look like him, Like I thought that was

1578
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:52,839
Speaker 3: why I recognized him. Then I realized it was Avatar.

1579
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, Avatar. Yeah, yeah, he really doesn't make like

1580
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 5: he really you know, sprouted up since Avatar. I mean,

1581
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 5: he's just like this really tall, good looking guy and

1582
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 5: that not you know, obviously he's great an Avatar, but

1583
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 5: he's kind of a kid and he really spread out.

1584
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 5: This was the first thing he did after Avatar, and

1585
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 5: it was like his second set after years and years

1586
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 5: on these the James Cameron movies. But like they look

1587
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 5: so much alike. One of the character was Jamie or

1588
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 5: William or one of radio silences said, don't stand together

1589
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 5: on the red carpet. People will figured it out.

1590
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 2: That's so good and I think it's funny.

1591
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love as well. Like there's so many parallels

1592
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,919
Speaker 3: here with Scream two, not even like from the quickness

1593
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 3: that you guys made the sequel to then having them

1594
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 3: in this different location, to then having you know, the

1595
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: end be in.

1596
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 5: To this.

1597
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 3: So that family connection makes a lot of sense because

1598
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 3: of Billy's mum being the killer in two were one

1599
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 3: of the killers. So could you talk a little bit

1600
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 3: how early did you realize this was also going to

1601
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 3: be not just a scream movie, but like a scream

1602
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,839
Speaker 3: to kind of reaction and response in homage.

1603
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 5: We have actually tried to dial that back, you know. Oddly,

1604
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 5: I think it was we just didn't want to be

1605
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 5: seen as sort because you know, obviously one was very

1606
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 5: very five was very similar to one, so we wanted

1607
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 5: now that we've kind of hopefully done what we set

1608
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 5: out to do, which is like remind people what scream is,

1609
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 5: why it's different, why it's cool, and here are the

1610
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 5: new characters we wanted to. I mean, it's very goofy,

1611
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 5: but our sort of internal log line was if we

1612
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 5: were playing the hits in five, then six is the

1613
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 5: punk rock B side, and we wanted to do our

1614
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 5: own thing and take really big swings, and so we

1615
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 5: didn't other than the college setting, we didn't really consciously

1616
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 5: think about all that stuff. And it's funny because in

1617
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 5: talking to fans now our friends or doing interviews, there's

1618
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 5: a lot of nods to two that we weren't even

1619
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 5: aware of. We knew that the Missus Loomis and Wayne

1620
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 5: Bailey connection was there, and it's like he's only the

1621
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 5: second like grown up ghost Face the other franchise. He's

1622
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 5: so great and he's the funniest guy in person. So

1623
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 5: we knew that was there. And then the theater thing

1624
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 5: actually gave us pause because originally that that shrine museum

1625
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 5: was just in a warehouse somewhere and they couldn't find

1626
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 5: a location in Montreal that that really worked, like nothing

1627
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 5: just felt right, and so the location scout showed radio

1628
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 5: silence that and they were like, we think this is it,

1629
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 5: and Jamie and I were like, I don't know that.

1630
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 5: We don't want to look like we're just copy pasting

1631
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 5: from dow and so we went out to Montreal to

1632
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 5: look at it and we went, Okay, it's going to

1633
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 5: feel different enough and it has this creepy different kind

1634
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 5: of vibe. But yeah, it's funny how much of two

1635
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 5: made it in there without even conscious knowledge video it

1636
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 5: was something you know. So I'm happy about that because

1637
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 5: it is kind of a neat echo. But we almost

1638
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 5: tried to go the other way, where it's like, let's

1639
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 5: make sure we're not just doing too right.

1640
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the opening does a great The cold

1641
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 3: open does a great job of switching it out by

1642
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 3: having that review and kind of doing something very different

1643
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 3: and having that who the fuck cares about the movies?

1644
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 3: So after that you're very intellectually far away from two.

1645
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 3: But it's just after seeing it a couple of times,

1646
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they are awesome. This is a

1647
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 3: movie that loves too as well. It really is.

1648
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, other people have pointed that out as well, But yeah,

1649
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 5: that was the thing that got us really excited was

1650
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 5: that opening. And the very bizarre thing about the opening

1651
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 5: is that Jamie and I came up with that independently

1652
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 5: of each other, and we came to our first meeting

1653
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 5: to talk about what Scream six should be, and we

1654
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 5: had both written down that we started. We knew it

1655
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 5: was going to be New York, we'd already decided that,

1656
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 5: but we were like, okay, I think I pitched him

1657
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 5: first on our first zoom and I was like, Okay,

1658
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 5: this is going to sound weird, but let's do like

1659
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 5: imagine a traditional Scream opening phone call, you know, but

1660
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 5: it's New York, so it's already feels a little different,

1661
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 5: but you know, more or less traditional. And then he's

1662
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 5: got the last line and does the slash, and you

1663
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 5: think we're going to go to the title card like always,

1664
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 5: and then we just hold on him for an uncomfortably

1665
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 5: long time, and then he takes the mask off, and

1666
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 5: then we follow the killer to the point where you

1667
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 5: might think, for a second, if you knew nothing about

1668
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 5: the movie, is this from Ghostface's point of view? And

1669
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 5: then that guy who's kind of doing it for traditional

1670
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 5: reasons like carrying on the previous killer's work or whatever,

1671
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 5: like I want to finish Richie's movie. Like that guy

1672
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 5: gets killed by a really scary ghost face who doesn't

1673
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 5: care about and he got this kind of look on

1674
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 5: his face and I was like, oh, he hates it,

1675
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 5: that's stupid. Nevermind, and he holds up his notepad and

1676
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 5: he's got it written down like traditional killed. Ghost Face

1677
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 5: takes off mask. We follow ghost face ghost face killed,

1678
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 5: and we're like, whoa, Okay, we're really sharing a brain

1679
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 5: on this one.

1680
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 3: That is so cool.

1681
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: Finally, you know the horror genre we talk about scream queens.

1682
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: The queen of Scream is Sidney herself.

1683
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:50,879
Speaker 2: Nev Campbell.

1684
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Recently Schedule Lurric was quoted as saying that he had

1685
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,799
Speaker 1: a conversation with her and she really liked the latest

1686
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: edition in the.

1687
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that must feel good.

1688
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 3: Eddie.

1689
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Would you ever no no strings attached? Did you ever

1690
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: think about Briddy bringing Sydney back?

1691
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it's always out of our hands. I mean these things,

1692
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 5: just like as much as people were mad at Radio

1693
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 5: Silence or us for fortune, right, it's not It's not

1694
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 5: up to us. And so even at the script stage,

1695
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 5: people are like, well, at least write her in, and

1696
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 5: it's like no, we're told who is going to you know,

1697
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 5: be available? Who can they can?

1698
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 3: You know what?

1699
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 5: So it's really out of our hands. I mean, all

1700
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 5: I can say to that is I love the character

1701
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 5: Sidney Prescott. I love MeV Campbell as an actor, I

1702
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 5: think she is synonymous with the screen franchise. As a fan,

1703
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 5: I would really love to see Sydney go back exactly.

1704
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 5: So as a person involved in screen movies, I can't say,

1705
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 5: but as a fan outside of it is like, even

1706
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 5: if it's not me, even if it's years from now,

1707
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 5: I want to see that. So I hope that you

1708
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 5: know that can happen at some point in time, because

1709
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 5: it's sim me. You know, guy, you sick?

1710
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much, so much fun relations

1711
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 3: on your success.

1712
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Us to the next one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah up next nerd Out.

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Speaker 3: In today's nerd Out, will you tell us what you

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Speaker 3: love them?

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Speaker 5: Why?

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Speaker 3: Or a theory you're excited to share? Lucas Pictures, us

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Speaker 3: on Becky Chambers, Monk and Robot series.

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Speaker 4: Jason Rosie, everybody at X ray Vision. My name's Lucas Adams.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to first off say thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for the podcast. I really really love it. I think

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Speaker 4: I've learned an incredible amount about sci fi, fantasy, comic

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Speaker 4: books and everything. I love nerd Out. I wanted to

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Speaker 4: share my nerd out, which is a series of books,

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Speaker 4: thus farts too. I think there will be more. Called

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Speaker 4: the Monk and Robots series by Becky Chambers. The first

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Speaker 4: book is a Psalm for the Wild Built. The second book,

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Speaker 4: which just came out a few weeks ago, is called

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Speaker 4: a Prayer for the Crown Shy, and the first book

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Speaker 4: asalng for the Wild Built. Basically, we have used robots

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Speaker 4: to build up our world, almost destroy our world, and

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Speaker 4: they have gained sentience and they leave. They simply, as

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Speaker 4: a group, decide to head out into the world, into

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Speaker 4: the wilds and be by themselves, forcing us to face

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Speaker 4: our own existence without them. Luckily, we make a lot

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Speaker 4: of really good choices that help save ourselves, but it

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Speaker 4: doesn't come without some struggle. This book, however, is about

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Speaker 4: a t monk as they're known in this world name

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Speaker 4: Sibling Decks, and they decide to explore the world in

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Speaker 4: a different way and go out into the wild, where

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Speaker 4: they come across a robot named Mosscap and the robot

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Speaker 4: has been sent by other robots to see how humanity

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Speaker 4: is doing and basically to ask the question what do

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Speaker 4: humans need? And so they build a relationship with one another.

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Speaker 4: They explore their relationships with themselves and the world, both

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Speaker 4: the natural and built world as it was and as

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Speaker 4: it is now. And then in the second book they

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Speaker 4: continue this journey. And I don't want to give away

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Speaker 4: too much. I'm just it is two short, wonderful meditations

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Speaker 4: on technology and our living, breathing earth and our relationship

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Speaker 4: to it and ourselves and the other people around us

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Speaker 4: and in this case robots. I highly recommend it. I

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Speaker 4: highly recommend Becky Chambers. She also wrote the Wayfarer series,

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Speaker 4: which is a really fun space travel action series that

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Speaker 4: also asks some really great relationship questions about relationships with

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Speaker 4: ourselves and other species and our place in the world

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Speaker 4: and how we treat those around us, and how we

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Speaker 4: experience things and people and other things that are different

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Speaker 4: from us. I think everybody would really like it, and

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Speaker 4: I am so happy to share it again. Thank you

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Speaker 4: all so much for everything you do. I love your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Have a great day, Thanks Lucas. If you have theories

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Speaker 3: or passions that you want to share, hit us up

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Speaker 3: x ray at crooked dot com. Instructions in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: As always, that's it for us.

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Speaker 1: A big thank you to Guy Music, Rosie any plugs,

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Speaker 1: blug blug, bluck bluck bluck black bluck blood.

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Speaker 3: You can find me at Rosie Marx, on Instagram and

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Speaker 3: letter box, the usual places. I have a newsletter. The

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01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 3: thing will be in the show notes and you can

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Speaker 3: find me here. If you want to read about yellow

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Speaker 3: jackets and all my wild theories and citizen detecting, you

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01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 3: can find that at IGN And I've got a lot

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01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 3: of stuff at DC dot com at the moment, so

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Speaker 3: go there too.

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Speaker 1: Primo May nineteen on Amazon freeb you can watch it

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Speaker 1: for free. It's right there at a name freebee with

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Speaker 1: ads just like the just like the old times. But

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Speaker 1: of course if you're an Amazon Prime subscriber you can

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Speaker 1: get it without.

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Speaker 2: Actually I don't know, I don't know about that.

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Speaker 5: It's I don't.

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Speaker 3: Actually free May nineteenth.

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Speaker 2: Just put that in your brain and you better watch it.

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Speaker 3: I've got to screeners so I can say it's good.

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Speaker 1: And of course subscribe on YouTube where you can watch

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Speaker 1: full episodes of our show x ray Vision and don't

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Speaker 1: forget to follow at xerv pod on Twitter and check

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Speaker 1: out the discord to meet and hang out with lots

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Speaker 1: of amazing folks, fans, listeners, and Rosie.

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Speaker 2: And I us with that five star ratings. Five star

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Speaker 2: we love them. You gotta give them to us.

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Speaker 1: Here's one from JAM zero sixty four, my favorite podcast

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Speaker 1: at the moment. It's funny and informative in many ways.

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Speaker 1: I could listen to Jason and Rosie talk about anything.

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Speaker 2: Five star pod.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, bye, bye bye Zar.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Salt Rubin. The show

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself and Sandy Rhard Are editing

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Speaker 1: and sound designers by Vascillis Fatopoulos, Dylon Villanueva and Matt

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01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: de Group provide video production support. Alex Rella for handle

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Speaker 1: social media. Thank you, Brian Vasquez for theme music.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 1: Hey Mike, this is HISTB for Marid. Yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 1: calling on behalf of your state, Senator Tysa Turner on

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Speaker 1: phone back and listen. I understand we just had an

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Speaker 1: election Mike, but it's not too early to start thinking

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Speaker 1: about the next cycle. Now you might be hearing some

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Speaker 1: spurious rumors about pet decapitation. Those are all being put

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Speaker 1: out there by the senator's disgruntled partner. There's nothing to that.

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Speaker 1: There's no cult stuff, no eating of dirt, no climbing

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Speaker 1: of trees, no strange behaviors, no talking to herself. That's

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Speaker 1: all I have to say, Mike, vote Tyson Turner in

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Speaker 1: the next election. We're happy to have your support. Take

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Speaker 1: my hands off the earth.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.