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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 3: Straight Firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 1: Straight Fire for.

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Speaker 3: Thursday, May the ninth, Big big night in the NBA

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Speaker 3: for choking dogs like the Indiana Pacers. My gosh, I

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Speaker 3: can't wait to shred Rick Carlisle at a minute. But

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Speaker 3: first I gotta tell you today we got a great guest.

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Speaker 3: You guys, knowing Preston Johnson, aka the sports Cheetah, I

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Speaker 3: figured with only one NBA game last night, we would

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Speaker 3: bring in a great guest, someone who could just chop

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Speaker 3: up a variety of topics, whether it's NBA NFL. I

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Speaker 3: can't believe his Pennox Kirk Cousins take. We'll get to

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Speaker 3: that soccer.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: He's just an interesting character. It's a fun, smart discussion.

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Speaker 3: I think he'll enjoy it. But first I'll do a

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Speaker 3: couple of minutes here on Nicks one thirty, Pacers one

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Speaker 3: twenty one. Listen, I'm rooting for the next obviously, I

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Speaker 3: love watching the Villanova Knicks. Twenty nine for Brunson, twenty

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Speaker 3: eight for Devincenzo, nineteen and fifteen and seven for Heart.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're incredible. This team is so fun. But

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Speaker 3: last night I was back in the Pacers. I had

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Speaker 3: them on the money line. I took the points. I

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Speaker 3: felt like I was in great shape. Brunson goes down,

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Speaker 3: misses the whole second quarter. I'm like, okay, PACER's got

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Speaker 3: this good. Well in for a long series. And I remember,

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Speaker 3: as a side note, I have Halliburton in the player

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Speaker 3: points pool that I'm in, and Haliburton went off. He

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Speaker 3: had a great game, but I need this to go

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Speaker 3: seven right. Halliburn had thirty four, he was great. He

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Speaker 3: bounced back strong. Third quarter, Brunson returns and the Pacers

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Speaker 3: defense just gets abs so freakin' lootely torched. They give

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Speaker 3: up like a twenty one six run. They go from

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Speaker 3: up twelve to down ten in what seemed like seven minutes.

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Speaker 3: Like this Pacers defense is a joke and we know that,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like an idiot for backing them. But still,

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Speaker 3: then O g Anobi gets hurt and you're like, oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh, I don't noob, he's having his best game

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Speaker 3: of the postseason. Twenty eight points in twenty eight minutes.

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Speaker 3: He pulls a hammy. Nobody knows if he's gonna play

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Speaker 3: on Friday, and so the pacers get back in it,

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Speaker 3: spearheaded by the indomitable TJ McConnell, who was just a

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Speaker 3: pest a hound talking trash. I think to Stephan Stefan

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Speaker 3: Marbury Starburry on the sideline, McConnell is a dog. You

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Speaker 3: want him on your squad. He was hounding Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 3: Brunson rarely gets rattled, okay, and people are all over him.

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Speaker 3: Brunson got frustrated by McConnell and then gave him a

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Speaker 3: and and kind of was looking at him and went

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Speaker 3: to the crowd and he wanted to say something afterward. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Chris Haynes a good job by him on the sideline,

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Speaker 3: asking you know what his thoughts were on talking trash,

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Speaker 3: and he was like, listen, I respect the hell out

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Speaker 3: of TJ. McConnell. He's a he's a competitor and he's right.

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Speaker 3: And then Carlisle did the dumbest thing ever down too,

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Speaker 3: and again mcconnald's spearheading this. He's picking up Brunson. Full

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Speaker 3: Court is a veteran.

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Speaker 1: McConnell.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I've read about him because I think

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Speaker 3: we talked about him back when he was with the

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Speaker 3: Sixers maybe, and like his dad was a coach, and

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Speaker 3: he's always been like an overachiever. Uh he's a nick

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Speaker 3: he's a sweaty, try hard, and he's undersized, but the

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Speaker 3: guy is just nails when it matters. And so McConnell

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Speaker 3: leads this amazing comeback. He uh is in the lane

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Speaker 3: taking shots where Halliburton was looking to pass a lot.

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Speaker 3: Mcconnald's burying these pull ups. They're within two after the

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Speaker 3: actually McConnell got him within one at one point. And

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Speaker 3: then the frustrating part was, let me see exactly where

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Speaker 3: it was where McConnell got pulled. I think they were

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Speaker 3: just so frustrating because right after that Brunson, who's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's a sigh of relief. I don't have to deal

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Speaker 3: it is here with uh seven ten left, down one

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Speaker 3: oh five, one three, Carlot pulls TJ McConnell, and I

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Speaker 3: noted it on on social media. I'm like, well, this

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Speaker 3: need to bring back Haliburton for scoring, brought back Nemhard

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Speaker 3: and listen, Nemhart is a nice player. He's tough. You

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Speaker 3: could see he defended well and capably against the Bucks.

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Speaker 3: He's he's just not a good matchup for Brunson and

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Speaker 3: Brunston's cooking him. So as soon as mcconnall goes out

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Speaker 3: you know, it just couldn't overcome it, and I Carlisle

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Speaker 3: ended up getting ejected. I think he was maybe he

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Speaker 3: knew that he screwed it up. And then after the game,

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Speaker 3: the numbers come out. With TJ McConnell on the court,

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Speaker 3: through two games, the Pacers are plus nineteen. With TJ

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Speaker 3: McConnell on the bench, they're minus thirty two. Folks, Listen,

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Speaker 3: you don't have to be a slave to the numbers.

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Speaker 3: All I'm saying is over the final seven to ten,

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Speaker 3: they got outscored badly. With McConnell on the bench, Brunson

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Speaker 3: just goes into attack mote and I don't know what

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Speaker 3: the answer is. I I other than hey Man nemart

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Speaker 3: Is Nemar had a good game right seven minutes. He

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Speaker 3: shot seven of nine at fifteen points, four assists. He

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Speaker 3: played well, but five turnovers, sorry, five fouls and getting

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Speaker 3: destroyed by Brunson. He was a minus twenty one. Andrew

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Speaker 3: Nemhart a kid from Gonzaga. He's a good player, but

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Speaker 3: I think you need more McConnell than you do Nemhart.

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Speaker 3: And I think we'll see that change when he goes

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Speaker 3: when they when the series shifts back to Indy for

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Speaker 3: Game three, and yes, I'll be on the Pacers for

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Speaker 3: a Thursday game in that one. A quick word on

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Speaker 3: Donde Devincenzo. So I just want to remind everybody the

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Speaker 3: Indiana Pacers had Devincenzo.

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Speaker 4: No, they did not.

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Speaker 3: I'm an idiot.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: The Golden State Warriors had Donde Devincenzo and they were

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Speaker 3: like Nona, not for us. I don't think we can

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Speaker 3: afford him. The Milwaukee Bucks had Dante DiVincenzo. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to let him go.

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Speaker 1: The New York Nick got him.

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Speaker 3: He's only making eleven million dollars a year, and I

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Speaker 3: will challenge you this. DiVincenzo at eleven million dollars a year,

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Speaker 3: that's what he's making. They got an amazing contract for him.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's an Austin Reeves contract, but it's

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Speaker 3: hella close. Devinzenzo, by the way, six threes after hitting

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Speaker 3: five in Game one, twenty eight points plus fifteen, I

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Speaker 3: mean forty four minutes the guy, he's a warrior. De

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Speaker 3: Vincenzo at eleven or do you want Klay Thompson for

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Speaker 3: He's such a bargain.

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Speaker 3: I know this is gonna sound crazy. Yes, I think

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Speaker 3: the Knicks win the series. Yes, I think the Knicks

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Speaker 3: make a play for Kevin Durant. No, I don't think

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Speaker 3: they will trade heart Brunson or Devincenzo. I don't think

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Speaker 3: you can do that. I just don't think you can.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna break up a core that is something special. Now,

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Speaker 3: maybe they have a ceiling and you know this is

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Speaker 3: a fortunate year in the East where the Heat were

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Speaker 3: I mean, although the Knicks beat him head to head,

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Speaker 3: I think you've got to you've got to just try

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Speaker 3: to convince whoever to get you a star. Hey, you

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Speaker 3: want Randall, you know, we'll give you Matt Randall, Mitchell Robinson,

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Speaker 3: both guys coming off injuries and surgery. By the way, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't know if Mitchell's Robinson

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Speaker 3: and you get the best you know shooter you can

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Speaker 3: get to surround Brunson with And the Knicks are cooking

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Speaker 3: series is over, but unless they can start to get stops. Like,

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Speaker 3: by the way, Miles Turner's defensive instincts are total trash.

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Speaker 3: game one, and then this is this is what he is.

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Speaker 3: Game two, three of eleven six points missed a free throw.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Pacers free throws, they missed five free

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Speaker 3: throws to start the fourth quarter ended up going ten

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Speaker 3: They let the Nick shoot fifty seven percent, and we

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Speaker 3: know the Pacers are not a good defense. They let

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Speaker 3: him shoot fifty seven percent from the field, forty six

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Speaker 3: the line. Knicks are not going to lose games when

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Speaker 3: that's what they're shooting. Just an outstanding performance from them.

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Speaker 3: I'll quickly fire off. Tonight should be now listen, I

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Speaker 3: have a monster Men's League game tonight. We are facing

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Speaker 3: the team that lost in the championship last year. Although

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Speaker 3: there's six to ten guy who played in the Patriot League.

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Speaker 3: I've become buddies with him. Super nice guy. He is

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Speaker 3: have to miss this game. It stinks, but he's got like,

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Speaker 3: you know, big weekend and his wife's praged I asked

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Speaker 3: playing in a second league this summer, and he's like,

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Speaker 3: I would, but my wife's giving birth. This is like

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Speaker 3: a thirty year old guy six ' ten shooter. I

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Speaker 3: They only had four guys going against five and they lost.

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Speaker 3: And so he's out tonight, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: we have a debut our of our new point guard.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about him yet until he plays,

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Speaker 3: but I'll reveal it on tomorrow's pod.

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Speaker 1: I guess, but.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm gonna be watching that game my game

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Speaker 3: and playing in it over the NBA games, which are

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Speaker 3: not bad, you know, they're good. Celtics obviously gonna smoke

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Speaker 3: the Calves. Calves might put up a fight in the

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Speaker 3: first half. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bet against

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Speaker 3: the Celtics at this point. And then it's Game two

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Speaker 3: of MAVs and Thunder, and we don't know about luca'sknee,

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Speaker 3: so the line's starting to tick up. OKC five and

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Speaker 3: a half. I really really want to take MAVs first quarter.

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Speaker 3: I really really want to take MAVs first half. I just,

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Speaker 3: I guess luca knee thing has me scared. So I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna just take a pause on the best bets for

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Speaker 3: tonight's games, and then obviously I'll be back for Denver, Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, can't wait for that one. But without further ado,

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Speaker 3: let's get to our guests, the excellent Preston Johnson.

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Speaker 1: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports

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Speaker 1: fans want, but for everything he doesn't, he knows the

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Speaker 1: guy who does.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 4: guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 3: Let's welcome back to the podcast. One of the most

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Speaker 3: popular guess we have. Every time he's on, people love

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Speaker 3: him and they ask for more. Preston Johnson aka the

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Speaker 3: sports Cheetah. Preston, How you doing man?

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Speaker 2: I am doing well? Are you? Guys?

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Speaker 4: When you're calling fouls like the Brunson hunted one. I

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Speaker 2: But overall, I think it's a better game. I don't

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Speaker 3: I remember Nick Nurse throwing a box in one at

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Speaker 4: a stacked West, and he was like thirty to one,

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Speaker 4: and I you know, okay, se was just too good

430
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Speaker 4: and they deserved it over there, ya who got it?

431
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Speaker 4: But anyway, those were like all my bets, and it

432
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Speaker 4: was just everyone was saying maybe it was part of

433
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Speaker 4: the like was it the US like summer Olympic stuff

434
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Speaker 4: that like all Steve Kerr was saying, this guy is unreal,

435
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Speaker 4: Like everyone was just talking it up.

436
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like that's the leap.

437
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Speaker 3: And if you remember last year, McDaniels like punched a

438
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Speaker 3: wall and had to miss the series against Nuggets and.

439
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Speaker 4: They were still given the Nuggets fits. Then they go

440
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Speaker 4: six and they could have won. I think they were

441
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Speaker 4: leading in the fourth quarter, like similar to the Lakers,

442
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Speaker 4: and like five of the six they'd double digits in

443
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Speaker 4: the fourth quarter and four of their losses in three

444
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Speaker 4: of them, Like they could have beaten the Nuggets without

445
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Speaker 4: McDaniels last year, and then Anthony Edwards. It just wasn't

446
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Speaker 4: as mature yet, it's and Gobert was not one hundred

447
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Speaker 4: percent either at that time. So it's actually not that surprising,

448
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Speaker 4: but it's easier to say to the fact, like here's

449
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Speaker 4: why we were joking the other day or was it

450
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Speaker 4: just last night, I don't remember, two day, two nights

451
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Speaker 4: ago when it was go bears out his baby's birth

452
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Speaker 4: and they give up twenty in the first quarter, thirty

453
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Speaker 4: five and a half eighty in the game, and it's like,

454
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Speaker 4: it's he really a defensive player of the year, Like

455
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Speaker 4: it's easy to say after but.

456
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Speaker 2: Like it's probably wehndy, let's be honest, but that anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am curious. Where are you as like a

458
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Speaker 3: legend of hoop's history when it comes to the whole,

459
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Speaker 3: like Curry, Durant, Lebron. I mean, they've been to the

460
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Speaker 3: second round I think since two thousand and five one

461
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Speaker 3: of those three had made or maybe it was two

462
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Speaker 3: of those three, and here we are, like they're all

463
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Speaker 3: dusted in the first round. And I don't know. I

464
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Speaker 3: got to be honest, like, I don't I'm not optimistic

465
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Speaker 3: for the Suns or the Warriors. We'll see about the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Hey, real quick, real quick, I gotta interrupt you.

467
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Speaker 4: Is there a chance this is what all Sunn's fans

468
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Speaker 4: are going to be saying, Is there a chance the

469
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Speaker 4: Sons are actually okay, they're good?

470
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Speaker 2: Think about it.

471
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Speaker 4: They played four games closer than the Nuggets just did

472
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Speaker 4: against the Tea Wolves twice.

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Speaker 3: Well, are we just basing it on that? I mean

474
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Speaker 3: that what's going on with the coach and bradal.

475
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Speaker 4: And great question, But I just know they played the

476
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Speaker 4: te Wolves in four games that were a lot closer

477
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Speaker 4: in the thirds and fourth quarters than the Nuggets just

478
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Speaker 4: played twice at home. So and if we think Denver's

479
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Speaker 4: like the best or second best team in the league.

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Speaker 4: I don't know there's a chance the Suns are actually

481
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Speaker 4: better than we're giving them credit for it a sweep

482
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Speaker 4: because the te Wolves are just like outrageous now.

483
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Speaker 3: But how's this is a counter when you look at

484
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Speaker 3: the team's Denver beat last year, I think the stat

485
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Speaker 3: was like nobody had more than forty seven wins, and

486
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Speaker 3: they beat like the play in Lakers in the conference finals,

487
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Speaker 3: the play In Heat in the finals. And now they

488
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Speaker 3: face a real fifty six win team or whatever in

489
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Speaker 3: Minnesota and they're getting stomped, and it's like, let's be real, folks,

490
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Speaker 3: they haven't beaten anybody good, which is crazy because again,

491
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Speaker 3: ten days ago, it was like the Nuggets or a

492
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Speaker 3: juggernaut or do you have a dynasty? And now it's

493
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Speaker 3: like we poke holes.

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Speaker 4: So I've been afraid you're in LA with me. I've

495
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Speaker 4: been afraid to talk about this part of it because

496
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Speaker 4: then everyone thinks, oh, you're a Lakers homer.

497
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Speaker 2: You're an LA homer.

498
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Speaker 4: Like last year, everyone says, oh, yeah, the closest sweep

499
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Speaker 4: in NBA history when the Nuggets beat the Lakers and

500
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Speaker 4: four in the Western Conference Finals. That's because it literally

501
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Speaker 4: was the Nuggets won that series by like twenty two points,

502
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Speaker 4: like an average of four and a half points per game.

503
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Speaker 4: They played the Lakers again, trailed the series for eighty

504
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Speaker 4: percent of the minutes, and then you know, escaped and

505
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Speaker 4: Jamal Murray had to hit two game winners, like they

506
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Speaker 4: have definitely scraped by against inferior competition, And so I

507
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Speaker 4: think you're onto something there where maybe the Nuggets just were.

508
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Speaker 2: Never quite as good as we thought. Plus they lost

509
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Speaker 2: Bruce Brown.

510
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Speaker 4: I don't think Jeff Green is a huge loss, but

511
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Speaker 4: Bruce Brown was pretty significant.

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Speaker 2: I think for someone that can.

513
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Speaker 4: Handle the ball into a lot of what the Josh Hart,

514
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Speaker 4: you know, Dante Divincenzo's do when he was in Denver

515
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Speaker 4: last year. So I think that that drop off has

516
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Speaker 4: been pretty significant.

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Speaker 3: They could use Bruce Brown now to defend Anthony Edwards.

518
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Speaker 3: I mean, they don't have a guy like kcp is

519
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Speaker 3: Skey can't handle them, that's obvious. Aaron Gordon no chance.

520
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Speaker 3: I thought they would give Peyton Watson a shot, but

521
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Speaker 3: he's a little on the thin side, and a young guy,

522
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Speaker 3: Christian Brown maybe's going to get a look. But they

523
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Speaker 3: could use Brown big time. Bruce Brown at.

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Speaker 2: This point in time, who would you pick to win

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Speaker 2: the NBA title.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's tough not to look at the Wolves

527
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Speaker 3: up too. Oh on Denver going home. I feel like

528
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Speaker 3: that's going to be a sweep. And I'm not a

529
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Speaker 3: believer in OKAC yet I picked Dallas in the series

530
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Speaker 3: and bet them. I think Celtics versus t Wolves, and

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Speaker 3: then it's like, well Minnesota, maybe yeahs could come back,

532
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Speaker 3: but like Jayden McDaniels, do you put him on? I

533
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Speaker 3: guess Tatum or Brown, Drew Holliday versus Anthony Edwards would

534
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Speaker 3: be appointment television like that. That would be a series.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually rooting for that now as well.

536
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Speaker 3: You have Minnesota Boston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be the best championship series.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of both kind of old school with Boston

539
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Speaker 4: though they haven't done it yet, they've been there a

540
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Speaker 4: ton the last five years with Tatum and Brown. They

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Speaker 4: added Porzingis hopefully he gets healthy and can play.

542
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Speaker 2: But new school versus old school, and.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know if it are we underrating OKAC

544
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Speaker 4: like everyone has all year and they just sleep the

545
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Speaker 4: Pelicans and crush Dallas in Game one. There's a chance

546
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Speaker 4: that Okac also just beats Minnesota. But the market's going

547
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Speaker 4: to react pretty heavily to Minnesota beating Denver, especially if

548
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Speaker 4: sweep them. If you're right about that, So I'm intrigued

549
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Speaker 4: to see that price.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: That's it. Okay, So let's say MAVs lose forward thinking

552
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Speaker 3: stuff here. MAVs were amazing to end the season. They

553
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Speaker 3: kind of weren't dominant against the Clippers, but one four two,

554
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Speaker 3: no Kawai for many of it of the games. What

555
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Speaker 3: happens with the Kyrie Irving situation? Is Luca unhappy with

556
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Speaker 3: the way the team is built? Or does Luca just say,

557
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Speaker 3: you know what, my knee was banged up. I wasn

558
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Speaker 3: a one hundred percent We'll be fine next year. Like, is

559
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Speaker 3: there a wall where something volcanic happens in Dallas? Because

560
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Speaker 3: they made some good moves I thought, I thought the

561
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Speaker 3: moves are good, Gafford and I like what they got.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, this would be just a disappointing end, right.

563
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Speaker 4: That would surprise me if it was volcanic because of

564
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know anything on the inside, but

565
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Speaker 4: everyone that I've listened to throughout the year that has

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Speaker 4: contacts or connections to Dallas. It's the happiest Luca has

567
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Speaker 4: ever been. And then Kyrie really do have rapport and

568
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Speaker 4: so can you blame the knee and just blame the

569
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Speaker 4: fact that we weren't as good all season, so we

570
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Speaker 4: had a pretty bad seed and we had to go

571
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Speaker 4: up against KC and round two and we have a

572
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Speaker 4: real chance next year. I think they would push that

573
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Speaker 4: narrative and really have one more go at it. I

574
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Speaker 4: think I think that's most likely what we would see.

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Speaker 4: But it is intriguing to see. Like also, the Clippers

576
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Speaker 4: had for a three month stretch the best record and

577
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Speaker 4: the best net rating in the all the league, and

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Speaker 4: then they fell off.

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Speaker 2: So it's like it all kind of depends on injuries

580
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day. Jamal Murray, Kawhi, Leonard Luke, Yeah,

581
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Speaker 2: that's crazy. Yeah.

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586
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Speaker 3: Give me your best most interesting case scenario for Philadelphia.

587
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Speaker 3: The third star Daryl Morey ads he basically came out

588
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Speaker 3: and said we're keeping Maxi in and beat everyone else

589
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Speaker 3: you're unnoticed and they're you know, salary cap wise. There

590
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Speaker 3: you can clean house. Give me some interesting fun names

591
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Speaker 3: for their third star.

592
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Speaker 4: Everyone's talking about Paul George, so that's not that interesting.

593
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Speaker 4: He makes the most sense as far as a dynamic

594
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Speaker 4: guy that can kind of do a little bit of everything.

595
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Speaker 4: But so does he want to go play for a

596
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Speaker 4: team that has a star that isn't healthy in the

597
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Speaker 4: playoffs and he's from LA and move away from LA.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I don't think they're going

599
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Speaker 2: to actually offer them as much money technically if I

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Speaker 2: recall correctly. And then after that, is there anyone.

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Speaker 4: That actually they could add that you're like, oh wow,

602
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Speaker 4: really scary now, Like, I actually don't know if there's

603
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Speaker 4: a name out there, like, well, you know, add ma

604
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Speaker 4: Leak Monk as a secondary ball handle. That's probably like

605
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Speaker 4: what Orlando would do because they need someone that can

606
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Speaker 4: shoot and do some secondary ball handling. But like, I

607
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Speaker 4: just don't know what the names are that even make

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Speaker 4: it worth it, which is a lot of other reasons

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Speaker 4: why everyone was saying during the season they should make

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Speaker 4: a move now, because the market in the summer to

611
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Speaker 4: have all that money is like not very strong regardless,

612
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Speaker 4: So then is the money a waste? But then Morey

613
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Speaker 4: like levels them up one more time, and I think

614
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Speaker 4: what you might see is because this is the first

615
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Speaker 4: season with the new luxury tax and whatever cap implications,

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Speaker 4: I think there's like red apron, red carpets. I don't

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Speaker 4: remember all the names they give everything, but I think

618
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Speaker 4: there's a world where they're not signing one free agent

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Speaker 4: it's like a big name, but they're getting pennies to

620
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Speaker 4: the dollar like values on other teams dumping players to

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Speaker 4: get under the apron. So that might be a combination

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Speaker 4: of like three or four guys that you're like, Wow,

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Speaker 4: they got him for just that, They got them for

624
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Speaker 4: just that. Because they have so much cat flexibility, they

625
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Speaker 4: can take on more money in trades, you know, to

626
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Speaker 4: a certain degree. And so I think there's a world

627
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Speaker 4: where other teams are getting off like mid tier to

628
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Speaker 4: above average players and Philly can basically have the best

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Speaker 4: price they want.

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Speaker 3: Does Karl Anthony Town's probably doesn't fit with.

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Speaker 2: Embid, right, I mean, does he fit with Gobert? I mean,

632
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Speaker 2: I don't know, there's does actually it does. I didn't

633
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: at this point we've seen that the world as a whole.

634
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Speaker 4: The basketball world is kind of turning to size now again,

635
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 4: where it went small ball for a while and now

636
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Speaker 4: even you know, in college basketball it seemed like the

637
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Speaker 4: size was an advantage at the level we hadn't seen

638
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Speaker 4: and if it's being officiated a different way now too,

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Speaker 4: I would say, because yeah, Purdue and Edie for example,

640
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Speaker 4: right like, they're just straight through the bet one of

641
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Speaker 4: the better teams in the in the country.

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Speaker 2: So I think I think it could work for sure.

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Speaker 3: So that's interesting because we know historically the Minnesota owner

644
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Speaker 3: has been cheap. He just tried to unload the team.

645
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: Now he's got a I mean, if they win the title,

646
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: obviously the franchise value goes up. This is their best

647
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: time to unload Towns because they don't if they keep

648
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 3: this roster intact with all these guys, they're gonna owe

649
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: tons of money. And yeah, I don't know the team.

650
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: That's not a bad one. That's not a bad one.

651
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.

652
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 4: You find a suitor for Towns, and maybe it's actually

653
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 4: Philly because they can afford it.

654
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jimmy Butler returned to Philly.

655
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: Hm, Well, I don't think so. I think he'll just

656
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: be in Miami.

657
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: Tray Young, which is interesting. I don't know if you

658
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: saw this, but Trey Young was a clutch sports guy.

659
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: Everybody connected into the Lakers. He just dumped clutch this

660
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: week for CIA, and now it's like, oh, wait a minute,

661
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: everybody's connecting him to San Antonio, which apparently has dumped

662
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: two or three clutch guys in recent years, to Johanna

663
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: Murray and they let Wannie Lonnie Walker go and blah

664
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: blah blah. Do the Sixers make a play for Trey

665
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 3: Young more of a pure point guard and move MAXI

666
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: to like an off ball situation.

667
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 4: Six There's no chance on Trey Young. I actually would

668
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: be pretty yeah, that would.

669
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: That would shock me.

670
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: If Daryl Moorey went that route, I would be you're

671
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 4: a pretty big Wemby fan in general, just as a

672
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: basketball purist, like this guy is phenomenal. I would be

673
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: pretty disappointed. This isn't like a Tray Young disc track,

674
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: but like he's just.

675
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: Not very good. He just isn't very good.

676
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 4: If they're strapping Wemby's next three, four, five years to

677
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: Trey Young in San Antonio, I'd.

678
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: Be like pretty bummed out. But I also don't know

679
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: what other options.

680
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: They have didn't get to the conference finals with the Hawks,

681
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: is they're definite number one.

682
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: I know they got Simmons, was like passing up on

683
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 4: dunks and layups and like, I know what you're saying,

684
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: But there was a similar path where they didn't have

685
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: to beat An didn't They beat the Nickson seven and

686
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 4: the Knicks didn't even.

687
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: That was a tough series.

688
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't put a ton of stock into Tree Young,

689
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: but that could just be my own bias brandon Ingram.

690
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: So there's an option at three. Is he is he

691
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: an official like unrestricted free agent or is he still

692
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean.

693
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: Did you hear the Dave who I forget the guy's

694
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: name who worked at ESPN and now he's with the

695
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: Pels in the front office. But essentially he was saying, like,

696
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: you know, we're moving on. It sounds like for Brandan Ingram.

697
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't say his name, but it's all

698
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 3: the vibes are.

699
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: It's open for Dave mcmannimmon.

700
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 4: Maybe so he might be Ingram could be someone for example,

701
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: that they're moving on from Ingram, they want a new direction,

702
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: they can offload the money, and the Sixers are like, hey,

703
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: we'll take them for a price that is like David Griffin.

704
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: David Griff would be a good call. So like maybe

705
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 4: that that's actually maybe a destination for for Ingram as

706
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: a wing that can kind of play with and beat

707
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: a Maxie and you're not over like treyon Tyrus. Maxie

708
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: just doesn't make sense in my head.

709
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: And I guess the last one, which is kind of

710
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: pie in the sky. But Kevin Durant, what.

711
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: Would you do if you're the Suns now?

712
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: I just made the joke that like maybe they're actually

713
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: good because of the way they closed the season and

714
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 4: then they played the Tulves, all right, but like what

715
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: would you do.

716
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: If their third best guy, Beale has the no trade

717
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: so and.

718
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: You're not going to trade You're not going to trade

719
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: Booker right because he's your best young player. So it's

720
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: like it's the only option to get any assets back

721
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: is Durant. But you also have this new owner that

722
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: just came in and punted their future to give this

723
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: a chance.

724
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: Like it's the weirdest spot.

725
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: I don't remember a time an NBA franchise has been

726
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: miss draped and locked into what they have, which might

727
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: just be mediocrity or like such a long timeframe. So

728
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: then it is trade Durant and then maybe it's the

729
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: Sixers that are able to or more potentially the next

730
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: to find something.

731
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: Well, I guess the last one for Maury is maybe

732
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: they consider, hey, you know what, maybe we don't do

733
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: a third star, and then we have an inferior roster

734
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: given in Bead's injury history. So we get like, I

735
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: don't know, three b C plus players like a Harrison

736
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: Barnes or something of that nature, not to be your

737
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: number three, but to be so you have some depth,

738
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: because this this Sixers team just had no depth at all.

739
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I think is actually the most likely

740
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: where if you add up the value they could get

741
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: out of three or four guys, especially if teams are

742
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: trying to get under the apron and are dumping players

743
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: at a rate we haven't seen before. Then Philly's in

744
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: lead position to scoop those names at a great rate,

745
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: and if you get three or four of them, it's

746
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: probably better than adding.

747
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: Paul George overall. It just probably is it.

748
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 4: Really just for that man. It just comes down to

749
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: can then beat Stales for a playoffs run? Like basically

750
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: that it really is the main thing.

751
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like a Jordan Clarkson. I know nobody likes him.

752
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: He's a heat check guy, but as if he's like

753
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: your sixth man'll give you way more than Buddy healed

754
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: it until the final game, that's for sure.

755
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: Real quickly.

756
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: But I know we're going long on NBA, but I

757
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: want to ask you one more question about the whole

758
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: sixty five game thing, because you're like a little more

759
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: old school truther that definitely impacted like Haliburton force so

760
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: he could play sixty five games so he could be

761
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: eligible for awards, he could be eligible for all NBA's

762
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: which then gives him eligibility to have.

763
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: A better contract with more lucrative going forward.

764
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: Does that bug you that they instilled that rule, because

765
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: obviously I think at cost Embiid who is forcing to

766
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: play more games and had that MVP run, And I

767
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: just think teams are going to start that like Kawhi

768
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: Leonards probably never playing that many games either, right with

769
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: the Clippers. So I don't know if you if you

770
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: dis liked the rule or think it's okay, but I

771
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: kind of I feel like.

772
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: It was Crowbard in no just for to get this

773
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: TV deal through. Oh, look at our guys are playing games. Well,

774
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, even the de Vincenzo. Did you see

775
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: that he played? I don't know. It was like seventy

776
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: five games or whatever number Devincenzo played, but because he

777
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: didn't play as many minutes, he technically was not eligible.

778
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: And I was like, how on earth it was?

779
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, his average minutes was like less than one minute

780
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: per game under the number he needed.

781
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right.

782
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: Just the stupidest thing ever, Like, come on, yeah, Devinceenzo

783
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: was very improved. Anyways, one last thing. Let me go Lakers,

784
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: So if Trey Young's off the table, A, who do

785
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: you go for as your next star? Like star that

786
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: you hunt, whoever it is, And B what do you

787
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: do with coach? Is there any chance in hell the

788
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: Lakers Droy hail Mary and say, you know what, we

789
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: can't get this guy. We can't get that guy. Let's

790
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: try the JJ Reddick thing. I don't think Reddick would

791
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: take it. I'm just just asking.

792
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: A good question.

793
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: I actually like JAJ because he's pretty blunt, and he's

794
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: obviously pretty smart and he's well spoken. But I actually

795
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 4: don't know. That's like his media personality side. I don't

796
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: know if he's like a great coach with no idea.

797
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 4: It's like a super high variance play. He obviously gets

798
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: along with Lebron, so like you have that going, but

799
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: as soon as things go wrong on the court or

800
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: turn like then it could be he could totally go

801
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: the other way, pretty dramatically. I don't think unless the

802
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: number was just absolutely astronomical that they would probably do

803
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: that anyway.

804
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: I think they need I just don't.

805
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: Even know if they're gonna do they want Lebron for

806
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: the next three years, Like I guess you have to anyways,

807
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 4: But if you do, then you have to have him

808
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: pick the coach anyway. It's such a weird situation. I

809
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 4: don't think I have any real answers for you on

810
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: that one.

811
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's quickly pivot to soccer. Obviously, you're you own

812
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: a soccer team. Things are going well for you guys. Uh.

813
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 3: I'm curious when you came on like two years ago,

814
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: it was like you just I don't know if you

815
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: use this analogy, but it was like sometimes getting these

816
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: soccer guys to change your minds is like kind of

817
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: getting the Titanic to avoid an iceberg like, it's just

818
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: very difficult to turn and pivot quickly. Have you seen

819
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: any changes in how the soccer team is adapting.

820
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's a great. Uh, it's a great like

821
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: almost like life lesson. I hate to take it that far,

822
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: but like all business industries, it's like there's new ways

823
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: to look at things and you have to be open minded.

824
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: I think about a lot of different areas in your

825
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: field to best take on the most information and then

826
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: figure out how best to play it.

827
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: And so that was one thing where year one we

828
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: really struggled with were battling.

829
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: Relegation and a lot of it had to do with

830
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: a crazy like like racism scandal with the previous coach

831
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: and we had to get a holding coaching staff and

832
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: like there was there was a lot of extra variables

833
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: there that were unexpected. But this year too, it was

834
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 4: basically like, let's get a coach likes to play football

835
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 4: a little different than the rest of our league where

836
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 4: we play out of the back, more technically savvy, whereas

837
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: the League two in England is a lot of like

838
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: bomb the ball down the pitch and then hope for

839
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 4: the best randomness. And we said let's get more athletic,

840
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: let's get younger, and let's just basically on seventeen of

841
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: the guys that we signed last summer, we rebooted the

842
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: whole team pretty much. Sixteen of them had data that

843
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: said yes, like the math said, okay, they're good, and

844
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: we did it. We kind of money balled it from

845
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: leagues one or two or even three tiers below ours,

846
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: and now we're you know, in the playoffs and have

847
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 4: a chance to maybe get lucky and get promoted in

848
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: the League one.

849
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: So I go to go. From the preseason betting.

850
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: Markets had US twenty fourth out of twenty four, we

851
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: were only plus one fifty to get relegated, like we

852
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: were a huge favorite.

853
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: To get relegated, and then here we are in the playoffs.

854
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: So it really was a lesson of like you know,

855
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: in my past, like it was like analytics, math wins out.

856
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: But when it was this new venture in soccer, I'd

857
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: never done soccer before, I was less confident in that,

858
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: and like, well, it's trust the experts, but like a

859
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 4: lot of the experts are just kind of caught in

860
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: old way still, and so we just kind of double

861
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: and triple down on what we knew give us the

862
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: best chance. And we have a coach or manager and

863
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 4: Scott Lindsay that has been open minded on how we

864
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 4: were approaching our recruiting and then doing the best he

865
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 4: could with what he had, and everyone over there just

866
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: deserves a ton of credit.

867
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's that's an awesome story. It sounds like

868
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: you guys have turned it around pretty quickly. I'm just

869
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: I'm just curious your thoughts on the whole. Like Ryan

870
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 3: Reynolds Wreckham thing, which you guys are doing. It feels

871
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: like there's something happening in soccer where it is becoming

872
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: more popular globally, if that's even possible. But still the

873
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: MLS doesn't seem to be getting the same juice that say,

874
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: you know Wrexham, you guys, do you know what I'm saying?

875
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: Kind of like the MLS seems reluctant to be trying

876
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: new things. Is that safe to say or not? Really?

877
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna give you thirty seconds on something else

878
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 4: that then you'll connect the dots to why I'm saying this.

879
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: I I I mean, I'm bragging a little bit.

880
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: I apologize, but this will make it make more sense.

881
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: I had multiple years where I had six figures in

882
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: play on a weekend for college football and the level

883
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 4: of emotional stakes I felt in year one battling relegation

884
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: versus year two now battling for a playoff spot, and

885
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: the fans emotional like livelihoods of their club and their

886
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: town with one hundred and twenty seven year history Like

887
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: that is the promotion relegation is brilliant. We don't have

888
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: it in America and the less teams not every game

889
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: matters over there. If you're losing, it matters because you

890
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 4: could be out of the EFL and then a league

891
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: below and your club value is worthless to fans hate

892
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: you forever and you're getting death threats online. Or if

893
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: you're promoted everyone you know, not a complete one to

894
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: eighty since year one, but like most fans are like

895
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: really positive and we've done a lot better if you're winning,

896
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: in your value of your asset, if you're in League

897
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: one or championship or eventually the Premier League goes from

898
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 4: a couple millions to billions. Right, It's like it's it's

899
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: something we don't have in America. I don't know if

900
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: it can ever catch on fully if we don't implement

901
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: some sort of stakes at a franchise level here in

902
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 4: America in the MLS.

903
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.

904
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: If you asked every owner who own these nine figure

905
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: valuation clubs in the US, hey, are you guys up

906
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: for relegation, They're like nope, We're not signing up from

907
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: going down. So like, no, they'll never do it. So

908
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: it's just never gonna happen. And I think that's what's

909
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 4: kind of holding it back.

910
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: Ah so, so are so you are a pro relegation guy.

911
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: It's it's the most brilliant setup that exists, you know.

912
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 4: Her Albus vulgaris right. He bought the third tier Spanish

913
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: club and yere One, they had a pretty good season,

914
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 4: finished just outside of the top spot. They just got

915
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: promoted out of their league. They clinched it this couple

916
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: of days ago. Is that Caste FC. And there's some

917
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: video on his Twitter to go check it. Like the

918
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: entire town and city are in the streets and he's

919
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: up at the top, you know, looking down with his dog,

920
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: and like everyone gets so into it, Like going from

921
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: third tier to second tier in Spain is massive, and

922
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: he did it, you know, in his second season, and

923
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 4: so just that, like that's that, just that emotion and

924
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 4: that level of value in your asset doesn't exist in

925
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: American soccer. And so until it does, which it never will,

926
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: I just think it's always going to be behind.

927
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: So the move is to buy a lower tier club

928
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: and then and work your magic and move up right.

929
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, LS, sorry, go ahead, my fault. Good.

930
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: Well, if buying into MLS doesn't really do anything, you're

931
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: in the league boom, you're facing Messy and La Galaxy

932
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. But there is no like, oh

933
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 3: my gosh, if we don't work to improve, we're gonna drop.

934
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, your upside in the MLS is overtime. NBA, MLB whatever,

935
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: NFL franchises go up and value over time, like you

936
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: know real estate would. So that's why you would do that.

937
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 4: Otherwise there's really no upside. But you can't buy a

938
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: USL team or start one out of expansion and get

939
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: into the MLS. That's where like, if that was real,

940
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 4: you'd have so many guys going in. There'd be USL

941
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: teams all over the country. There'd be a crazy setup.

942
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: You'd have these brackets and tournaments or whatever like it

943
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: would be it would be massive but you know we

944
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 4: had So here's one one quick thing, real quick. We

945
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: had a player, Jeremy Kelly that we recruited in January.

946
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 4: He's a dual citizen, but he's been playing in America

947
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: for Memphis, and he grew up near London and Crawley

948
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: in England for his.

949
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: First six years of his life or something.

950
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: And he came over and he said, I just wanted

951
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 4: to play in games where every game had meaning. In Memphis,

952
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: usl like you're playing because you want to get a

953
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: better contract. Sure, but he wanted to so he took

954
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: less money to come play in England. And obviously he's

955
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: been great for US and it was a good recruiter

956
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: or scouting job that our team did. But like that statement,

957
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 4: I think kind of spoke to someone that was familiar

958
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: with the English game versus America kind of like sees

959
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: the picture. It's like, I just wanted to play in

960
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: games that actually matter, no matter when you're playing, you know,

961
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: every Saturday or Tuesday night.

962
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: So the top class, the richest guys who own mls

963
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: have zero interest in relegation, but all these small satellite leagues,

964
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: they would love it a chance to build something to

965
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: compete with the big boys and have their franchise value

966
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: go up.

967
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 4: I think there is some sort of vote trying to

968
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 4: go through or it's going to take years, but some

969
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: sort of promotion relegation within the USL. It will never get,

970
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 4: I think to the MLS level, But within the USL

971
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: you might have something where there's a few different levels

972
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 4: in leagues within that where you get a lot of

973
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: opportunities and maybe, yeah, maybe the MLS kind of.

974
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: Slow on offer.

975
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 4: The real play is if there's someone that wants to

976
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: back it enough and you went to every order in

977
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: the MLS and said, if you agree, we'll give you

978
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 4: x hundred million now upfront to sign this and is

979
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 4: it worth it?

980
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: And then they have to make.

981
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 4: A decision and if you got enough people then maybe

982
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: that's what would happen. But that's who has a couple

983
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 4: of billion to go in and do that with every team.

984
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: Yes, let's wrap up real quick. I know you're an

985
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: NFL guy. The draft just happened. Free agencies done. I

986
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: know you're way deep in soccer and you love the NBA.

987
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: Has anything jumped out at you on this? Kirk Cousins,

988
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: Michael Pennix, move I haven't seen you chime in on it,

989
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: at least I don't think.

990
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: Dude, you remember remember the last time I was on here.

991
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: You might not remember at the top of your head. No,

992
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: no worries.

993
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: I know you talked to like one hundred people a day.

994
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 4: I was like talking about how I think one of

995
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 4: the strategies in NFL drafts that's underutilized or not utilized

996
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 4: at all, that definitely is like plus ev or like

997
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 4: positive expectation, is the draft multiple quarterbacks, Like you get

998
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: like x percent like whatever, forty to fifty percent of

999
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: your quarterbacks. We were talking about Rock Party, I think

1000
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 4: in the seventh round. Yeah, why don't teams just take

1001
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 4: more quarterbacks every year? You should be drafting at least

1002
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 4: one because then one could hit, whether it's Brock Party

1003
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: level seventh rounder or whether at your first round pick.

1004
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 4: So for the fact that, funny enough, wasn't Kirk Cousins

1005
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 4: drafted to be a back up like pretty early anyway himself,

1006
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 4: but like the fact that they decided to make an

1007
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 4: upside bet on the future of their franchise. Taking Panix

1008
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: makes a ton of business sense and football sense. And

1009
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: again I'm the guy that was saying you should be

1010
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: drafting maybe more than one quarterback a year, especially if

1011
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 4: you have zero of them. Now they have Cousins, so

1012
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 4: you don't need to take two quarterbacks. But I think

1013
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 4: there's some teams out there trying to think of one

1014
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: off the top of my head, Like, if you're who

1015
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: took McCarthy, tell me you're better at this stuff? To

1016
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 4: tell me Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota is like McCarthy could be

1017
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: a guy who's also like what the fifth quarterback taking

1018
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 4: in this draft? Maybe maybe in the fifth round they

1019
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 4: should have taken someone else too, just to have it

1020
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 4: at second one, take a second shot.

1021
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. So that's a good example. I think.

1022
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: I guess the issue would be the process of you

1023
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: knew you were drafting eighth, why did you go give

1024
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins one hundred million dollars for two years? Now

1025
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: Pennix is gonna sit for two years. He's already like,

1026
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty four to twenty five. So by

1027
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: the time he's a starter, he's gonna be like twenty

1028
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: six years old. Couldn't they have just passed on Cousins

1029
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: and take a Penix or vice versa.

1030
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: Hawish they could have.

1031
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 4: But if they think Pennix can be their guy from

1032
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: twenty six to like thirty three, or heaven forbid, Cousin

1033
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 4: gets Cousins gets injured or doesn't play all the games,

1034
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: you have someone that you believe in pretty quickly.

1035
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: That as upside.

1036
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 4: But on the older side, he's like almost like a

1037
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: backup with experience anyway, because he played so many years

1038
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 4: in college. There's some insurance there too, built in, I

1039
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 4: think relative to other rookie quarterbacks. But it's it's a

1040
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: amazing argument in like debate because I get it from

1041
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: both sides, and I know why Minnesota fans excuse me, Alana,

1042
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: why they're upset that they didn't try to build around

1043
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 4: him and give him the most options possible to win

1044
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 4: this season or next. Totally makes sense. But you also,

1045
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: it's really unlikely you're going to win in one year

1046
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: or two anyway, But so give yourself the best chance

1047
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 4: to win in year three through seven is technically probably

1048
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: the best business.

1049
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: So the Jets took Jordan Travis, remember him the He

1050
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: was like a big time high school player, went to

1051
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 3: Florida State, took a little while to get started, and

1052
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: then got injured. The Jets take him in the fifth round,

1053
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: and so that backs up your strategy, right, just draft

1054
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: a quarterback, right, Yeah.

1055
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: You hope it's someone you believe into some degree.

1056
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if Jordan Travis is very good personally,

1057
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 4: but like his early years were so bad actually at

1058
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 4: Florida State, so I know he improved, he got a

1059
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 4: lot better. But yes, I think taking a shot, especially

1060
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: if you don't have a certified QB, or if it's

1061
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers come off an Achilles years old. Yeah, you

1062
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 4: should be taking shots every year in the draft, I think.

1063
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: So we'll wrap up Washington. Commander's got my guy, Sam Hartman.

1064
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: I have heard really good things about him as a human.

1065
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: I feel like he could has brock Purty potential. Washington

1066
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: took him. They also drafted Jane Daniels. Now this has

1067
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: shades of three and Kirk Cousins. If I don't know

1068
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: if you remember that, so is that something you would

1069
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: or does Jayden Daniel's gonna be like, guys, have you

1070
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: drafted me? Why aren't you drafting someone who's going to

1071
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: help us.

1072
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: It's the exact same argue.

1073
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 4: I think if you like two qbs and you know

1074
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: that you're only hitting like forty to fifty percent on

1075
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 4: your first one.

1076
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Speaker 2: Take the other one like who cares? It gives you

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Speaker 2: the best.

1078
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Speaker 4: QB is the most important position in this sport, and

1079
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Speaker 4: if you have X amount of shots to draft players

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Speaker 4: that you have rights to that you retain to see

1081
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Speaker 4: how good they're going to translate in the league, you

1082
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Speaker 4: should be using more of your shots on that position

1083
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Speaker 4: than linebackers or safeties or even line them. Like it

1084
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Speaker 4: just in my head that if you look at it

1085
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Speaker 4: that way, it actually makes sense. But we're for whatever reason,

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Speaker 4: teams just haven't done it very often. But I think

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Speaker 4: it is maybe trending that way a little bit more,

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Speaker 4: especially when you see some of these names like Purdy

1089
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Speaker 4: and others later in the drafts having success.

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Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, our system, if we.

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Speaker 4: Believe in what we're doing and we have a QB

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Speaker 4: that complements it, we should be taking guys like that

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Speaker 4: more often.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have like Jayden Daniels, Mariota, Jeff Driscoll, Jake

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Speaker 3: FROMM and now Sam Hartman. I mean, listen, they're gonna

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Speaker 3: have options. We'll see what happens. I like Hartman more

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Speaker 3: than many. You Listen, you throw thirty five touchdowns a

1098
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Speaker 3: week and go to I thought he was solid at

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame. I know the arm or anything. Anyways, press

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Speaker 3: him to chewed up a lot of your time, man.

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Speaker 3: Good luck with the rest of the way this season,

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Speaker 3: and congrats on all your Minnesota Timberwolves futures.

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Speaker 2: We'll see man, it's not over yet. A long way Togo,

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Speaker 2: but I appreciate it.