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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a reason I'm channeling Obi Wan Kenobi to

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Speaker 3: I'm Revenge of the Sith. You know him from Star

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: That's such a great way to put it, Alex, And

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I will right before we start. South Barrington thirty

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Speaker 3: That's such that's such a great way to put the JC.

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Speaker 4: I was like, what are you doing? Did you just

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Again?

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Speaker 3: It's great that I got two real time fact checkers

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Speaker 3: But Jase, I really want to hear your story because

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Speaker 4: quickly so. Episode one came out in nineteen ninety nine.

436
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 4: I was a senior in high school. I was I

437
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 4: from the last semester of my senior year of high school.

438
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 4: I wore Jedi ropes to school every day, so I

439
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: was not the cool kid right up until the point

440
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 4: that Rosie O'Donnell brought me on the show to do

441
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: Star Wars Trivia. And that was on May nineteenth, which

442
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 4: also is when Revenge of the Sith came out years later. Anyway,

443
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 4: then I was the cool kid because I had been

444
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 4: on Live TV. I was in college for episode two

445
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 4: and then episode three.

446
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: I was living in New York City.

447
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 4: It was like right after I had finished college and

448
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 4: I just left my job working at Midtown Comics in

449
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: Times Square, which is one of the biggest comic book

450
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 4: stores in the world. And my boss called me and said,

451
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 4: this is in September of two thousand and four, that

452
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 4: somebody from trl MTV's Total Requests Live had been in

453
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: looking for the world's biggest Star Wars fan, and he

454
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 4: gave me her email address, said you should email her.

455
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 4: So I did, and they brought me in for an

456
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 4: audition to be on trl to do Star Wars Trivia.

457
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 4: And I think I was the only one to answer

458
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 4: all of their questions to get onto the show correctly.

459
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 4: And the one I got right that nobody else got

460
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 4: right in New York City was and we'll see, We'll

461
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 4: see if Alex can get this.

462
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: And the beginning immediately, I'm like, oh boy.

463
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 4: At the beginning of episode two, Anakin and Obi Wan

464
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 4: have just returned from what planet?

465
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: A border dispute on antsy On? There it is, yep,

466
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: that was it. Everybody else said.

467
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 4: Uh, something else because they at the beginning of episode two,

468
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 4: they're in an elevator going up to Padme's apartment. It's

469
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 4: the first time you see them. But later on or

470
00:23:54,800 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 4: either later on or earlier, Mace Windu in Palpatine's office said, yeah,

471
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: they've just returned from a border dispute on Antian. So

472
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 4: it's kind of a trick question anyway, I have.

473
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: To say, like immediately, like my adrenaline just rose, my

474
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: blood pressure spike, and like.

475
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: I feel so alive.

476
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: That reminded me and sorry, I mean in a row,

477
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: that remind me of in the movie Fanboys, when the

478
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 3: you know Ethan still play Plane, you know, Harry Knowles

479
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: or whatever is asking like curveball question like well what

480
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: planet is Chewbacra from. He's like, well, that's not fair,

481
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 3: that's not actually in the trilogies. It almost felt like

482
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: that's what that kind of took me back to. With

483
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: that sort of you had to really be paying attention

484
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: to the movie to get that, and that's I would

485
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: have not gotten that. And I know what I know

486
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: with Star Wars. I'm not a complete white belt, but

487
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm probably not a black belt either, probably like maybe

488
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: like a red brown. You know, I didn't quite do

489
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: all the trials if you will, to get the group that.

490
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: They've put you on the council but not granted you

491
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: the rank of Master John.

492
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 3: I I think if I'm on the council, it's on

493
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 3: like a probationary period.

494
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 2: I'm not being solved there.

495
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like I know what my strings are,

496
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: and I think I'm on the council because maybe I'm entertaining.

497
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: I'm helping with boarding discussions with the council, Like yeah,

498
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: this guy kind of keeps the conversation going.

499
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: Let's ask you.

500
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: So I went on MTV's TRL. I won the trivia

501
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 4: contest and the prize was to for a trip to

502
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 4: Skywalker Ranch that May to see Star Wars Revenge of

503
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 4: the Sith. So fast forward to May. I think it

504
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: was May fifth, two thousand and five. I was busted

505
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: from San Francisco to Skywalker Ranch, which, like growing up,

506
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: I was like the only thing I ever want to

507
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 4: do is go to Skywalker Well not true. Growing up,

508
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 4: I was like I want to be Steve sand Sweet

509
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 4: or now Alex Damon. But the second thing I wanted

510
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: to do is I just wanted to get to Skywalker Ranch,

511
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 4: no matter what it took. And it was an impossibility.

512
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 4: It was like either like you have to be invited

513
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 4: that you're just never going to go. And because I

514
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: had won the contest, I felt like I had made

515
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 4: my dreams come true. And we got there and I

516
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 4: was with an MTV Europe winner and my friend that

517
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 4: I got to bring in his friend that he got

518
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 4: to bring, and we watched Revenge of the Sith in

519
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 4: the Stag theater of the Tech Building with the cast

520
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 4: of that seventy show, and then right behind them was

521
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 4: George Lucas and his daughter Katie watched the movie with us.

522
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: And I mean, even outside of Star Wars, to watch

523
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 4: a movie with the filmmaker is really a special kind

524
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 4: of thing. And then watch the movie, and again I

525
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 4: really liked episodes one and two. It wasn't what I wanted,

526
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 4: but I am somebody who loves Star Wars for the story.

527
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 4: I'm not there for this scial effects. I'm not there

528
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 4: for the lightsabers. I want the mythology of it, and

529
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: I don't think you can. There's a lot of stuff

530
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 4: with the prequels that if you want to be very critical,

531
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 4: you could criticize the direction, or the acting, or the

532
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 4: special effects in episode two weren't quite there or any

533
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: of those things. But the mythology is rock solid, and

534
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: so I was so into that. And then to see

535
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 4: Revenge of the Sith, where it all kind of ties

536
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 4: together and you get to see the things that you

537
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: had read about for twenty years or I guess fifteen years.

538
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 4: At that point, it was It was magic. It was

539
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: literally a dream come true. And then after the movie screening,

540
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: a standing on the patio talking to one of the

541
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 4: executive producer of TRL about the movie, and George walked

542
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 4: out the back door, passed me, and I paused my

543
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 4: conversation with the MTV guy and ran over to George,

544
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 4: and I got to have a what seemed like a

545
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: two hour conversation but in reality was probably fifteen second

546
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 4: conversation with George and just tell him how much Star

547
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: Wars meant to me and how much it changed my life.

548
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 4: And then he said, oh great, that's so nice, and

549
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: I said, I have a hug. I'm getting teary I

550
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 4: just think about it.

551
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I mean I'm getting emotional listening to you.

552
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: This is amazing.

553
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 4: George gave me a hug and then said, all right,

554
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 4: I gotta go. I have tickets to take my son

555
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: Jet to see Triple X two. And he got in

556
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 4: his Mercedes and sped away. But that was the moment.

557
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 4: That was a life changing moment for me. And I'll

558
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 4: show you, guys. We can put this on social This

559
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: is the picture of me.

560
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: That's incredible, man.

561
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 4: The picture of me hugging George Lucas. And this again

562
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: was two thousand and five. It was three weeks before

563
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: the movie came out. That was a screenshot of a

564
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 4: video that Bonnie Burton, who used to run Star Wars.

565
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: Monny shot out to Bonnie shown of.

566
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: Me at Skywalker there and then so now I had

567
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: seen the movie three weeks early, so like I was,

568
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: I was like all over it, like, oh my god,

569
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: you're never gonna believe what happened. I was probably really

570
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: obnoxious about it. And then, because I was living in

571
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 4: New York City, on release day, I saw the midnight

572
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: showing in New Jersey, where I lived, and then I

573
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: heard that they were doing a four am screening in

574
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 4: Times Square, so I took the train to New York City,

575
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: got tickets, watched it at four am, got home at

576
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: like seven, slept for two hours, then went and saw

577
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: it again at because I had had tickets for ten am,

578
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: one pm, four pm, seven pm, and ten pm the

579
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: next day. So I think I had seen it like

580
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: eight or nine times within the first twenty four hours

581
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: of release.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing. Thank you so much for sharing that. Man,

583
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: and I, George Lucas and I don't really get starstruck.

584
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: I've met my fair share celebrities, and I think all

585
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: three of us have met our fair share celebrities and

586
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: public figures. But George is one of those guys because

587
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: he's not very out there publicly. You don't know a

588
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: lot about him. He's not on social media. There's a

589
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: lucasfilm social media acount, but as far as I know,

590
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: George Lucas doesn't have social media. He's very off the grid,

591
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: and which is on brand a long time ago. He

592
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: pretty much is in a long time ago, a galaxy

593
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: far far away, as far as we all know, but

594
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: he is someone that feels so mythologized, so to see

595
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: him in person, and I'd be curious of your take

596
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: on that, JC to the best of your recollection, but

597
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's a very vivid memory, like what's going

598
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: through your mind when you actually see him in the flesh,

599
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: because I remember when I met Michael Jordan for the

600
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: first time. That guy walked on air, and again, I

601
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: don't get starstruck, but there's certain people who have that aura.

602
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: I would imagine George had that for you too, right.

603
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I was.

604
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 4: I was so nervous, I remember that, but I remember

605
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 4: all I remember being so nervous that I almost didn't

606
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 4: want to go and talk to him.

607
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: But I also.

608
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: Because I had conquered that fear to be on the

609
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 4: Rosie O'Donnell Show, and then I conquered that fear again

610
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: to be on TRL and get through that trivia contest

611
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: and get here. I was terrified, but I was like,

612
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 4: I have to do this. This is this is my

613
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: childhood dream. I have an opportunity to make it happen,

614
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: and I'm not going to let my fear get in

615
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: the way of that you know, the actual conversation. I

616
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: just I remember telling him that I was a young

617
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: filmmaker and I loved that he could be a role

618
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: model to me because he did not bend to become

619
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: what Hollywood wanted him to. He did it out of

620
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: the Bay Area. He did it on his own terms,

621
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: and he was the most successful person ever to do it.

622
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: And that, oh my god, I get so emotional thinking

623
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah, that having somebody like that to look

624
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: up to, to model after was the most important thing

625
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: to me. I didn't ask him like y C three

626
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: Bo's leg was silver, you know what I mean, Like

627
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: it was deeper than that.

628
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: Why George?

629
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: And then after he got in his car, I mean

630
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: I had a complete breakdown, Like I couldn't talk, I

631
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 4: couldn't breathe, because like that, to me was the hurdle, right, that,

632
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 4: to me was the thing. And like you know, and

633
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: I know I'm talking forever, and I'm so sorry to

634
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: everybody who has to listen to this.

635
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: This is a story. Man.

636
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 4: You know, John, you and I grew up, Alex. I'm

637
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: not sure where you grew up, but John and I

638
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: grew up in like the suburbs of Chicago where like

639
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 4: nothing remarkable ever happens. The famous people are athletes, you know,

640
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 4: and then there's John Hughes, right, And that was it.

641
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: Like it was so far removed from Hollywood that the

642
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: people surrounding you, like your mom would be like, oh yeah, honey,

643
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 4: you can do whatever you want if you just put

644
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: your mind to it, right, But nobody ever believed that,

645
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: like some young kid from the suburbs of Chicago was

646
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: going to go off and do this impossible thing at

647
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: Skywalker Ranch. And I think deep down even I didn't

648
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 4: believe it, you know, But that was the moment in

649
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: my life where it's like, oh my god, I could

650
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: do I'm twenty four years old. I did the thing

651
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: that I thought would be the hardest thing that I'd

652
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 4: ever do, like the thing that I would reach for

653
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: my whole life and never achieve. I've done it twenty

654
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: four and everything else I do for the rest of

655
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: my life will be easier to achieve than this. And

656
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: it's allowed me to live my life in a way

657
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: without fear, without fear of taking a jump and opening

658
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 4: a restaurant with no experience, without fear of getting on

659
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: stage before Kevin Smith and doing warm up in front

660
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: of a crowd of two thousand people in Australia and

661
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 4: like it's you know, there's the meme. It's like, what

662
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: would you achieve in your life if you could go

663
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: forth without fear? It's like Revenge of the Sith in

664
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: kind of like a parallel way gave me that in

665
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 4: my life, and it's it's I mean like again, I've

666
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: lived all of my little childhood dreams because of my

667
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 4: passion for Star Wars, and in that moment with George,

668
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: it's almost like that's the nexus point of my life

669
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: right where it was like I was this kid trying

670
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: to achieve this thing, and that hug from George Lucas

671
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: like unlocked my future.

672
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you said that, that sounded like like like

673
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: Gwenni Paltrow movie Sliding Doors, that was a Sliding Doors

674
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: moment for you. Had you not when it said hello,

675
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: who knows, so we may not be doing this podcast,

676
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: I feel like knowing you you would have found a way.

677
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: But that was the catalyst.

678
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: And also there are exceptions to the rules I say,

679
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: don't meet your heroes, but it sounds like George Lucas

680
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: is one percent the antithesis of that, like meet George

681
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: because if you can, which I have not had that happen, Alex,

682
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 3: I would love to hear your journey with episode three

683
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: because during that you did start Star Wars explained. So

684
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: we just talked about the first encounter of it. How

685
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: did that evolve for you as the years one on?

686
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: Then as we got stuff like Clone Wards, which to

687
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: me changed everything. That just made me love episode three

688
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: more because you got this substance and meaning of Orders

689
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: sixty six. It wasn't just these stormtroopers blindly following orders

690
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: like they literally had no choice because of the microchip.

691
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: In their brain.

692
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: But I'd love to hear about your perspective again, Tim

693
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: Brace Kutusow as Rashamong, you know, give me your perspective

694
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: on your episode three journey as real quick I wanted.

695
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: To say to jac I think it's beautiful that episode

696
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: three you feel like taught you to live without fear

697
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: when the movie is about what happens when you let

698
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: fear control you.

699
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's so rad, so great story. We live

700
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: in a simulation. You're kind of confirming we're in the Matrice.

701
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, from episode three on, I had just graduated

702
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: call Or, I had just graduated high school and was

703
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: going into college, and I kind of dropped out of

704
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: Star Wars for a little bit because I didn't start

705
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: my channel until twenty fifteen, and there's just like, yeah,

706
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: this ten year gap where I did not watch The

707
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Clone Wars when it was coming out.

708
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: I kept up with it.

709
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: And I remember being like that was kind of the

710
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: age where I turned into a bit of a snotty

711
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: fan and being like, oh, they're doing a Star Wars cartoon, Like, no, thanks,

712
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: not for me, I'm too old for that.

713
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: Too cool, And I would check in on it and

714
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: be like, it does sound kind of cool.

715
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: But I honestly didn't watch The Clone Wars until after

716
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: season one of Rebels, which, since this is a Rebels podcast,

717
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: is great, but like, I credit Rebels very much with

718
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: like changing my perspective as a fan because I was

719
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: just starting the channel Rebels was coming out, and I

720
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: like figured, you know, I guess I should give this

721
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: cartoon a shot. I should cover it if I'm covering

722
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: everything else Star Wars. And it did not take long

723
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: for me to see like, oh, this is not what

724
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: I thought it was.

725
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: It's not just for little kids. It's accessible, but you.

726
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: Know, by that first episode where they run into the

727
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: Grand Inquisitor, I was on board and it just got

728
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: better and better. So that kind of taught me. Rebels

729
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: taught me to give every single Star Wars thing a shot.

730
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: And then I went back and I waunched the Clone

731
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: Wars in between episodes or seasons one and two of

732
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: Rebels and Blue through it. Loved it, and yeah, just

733
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: the amount of depth that it gives to Revenge of

734
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: the Sith as we build up to that point.

735
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: I was one of the people that I had.

736
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: To like kind of grasp the fact that Anakin had

737
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: a Padawan. That that was something that surprised me. But

738
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: I accepted that and got into it. I think I

739
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: had to accept, like, oh, Darth Maul's coming back, that

740
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: seems kind of odd. But then those episodes wound up

741
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: being some of my favorites in the whole thing.

742
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: But you and I rubbed down the same issues with

743
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: Clone Wars kind of too.

744
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's kind of like you said earlier that

745
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: Star Wars at that point was a little more precious,

746
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: where you had six movies and now this was the

747
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: first TV show, and by the time I was watching

748
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: it was like the second TV show for me, but

749
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: there still wasn't as much Star Wars as there is now,

750
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: and it was kind of making me think about so

751
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: many things in a different way. But I think that

752
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: was good training for what I'm doing now. Is just like,

753
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, I do want everything to line up perfectly,

754
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: and I do always kind of wrinkle when they introduce

755
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: something that I'm like, uh, I didn't know that already,

756
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: and I just have to adjust my thinking and be like, well,

757
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: just because I didn't know it doesn't mean it couldn't

758
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: have happened, and what are they actually trying to say

759
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: with it all? But yeah, I mean the Clone Wars

760
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: was a lesson in not judging a book by its cover,

761
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 1: I guess, and just being like, oh, it's animation. It's

762
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: not for me, and I won't like it. When it

763
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: turns out, I'm gonna like it a whole lot.

764
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, in some ways, in some ways not that again,

765
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: we don't play the comparison, and in some ways you

766
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: like it more because it can say certain things and

767
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: do certain things that the live action just wasn't able

768
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: to do. And thank you for sharing all that and

769
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: on that with this, if you want to if you

770
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: can peel back the curtain of the genesis of you,

771
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: will Star Wars explain because like, what was the moment

772
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: where you knew like, okay, this is my angle, Like

773
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: this is what I because you just touched on what

774
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: can I offer that isn't already out there like Wikipedia,

775
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: Wikipedia or any one of the forums and read it

776
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: didn't exist?

777
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: Then maybe it did, But what was it?

778
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: What was it that you knew like, Okay, this is

779
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: what makes Star Wars explain what it is. This is

780
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: the part of Alex Damon that makes Star Wars explain

781
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: what it is?

782
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: Rather?

783
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: And how has that also evolved along with your love

784
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: of Star Wars in particularly episode three? Yeah, I mean,

785
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: like JC, I've just always been into Star Wars trivia

786
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 3: and not really on purpose. I just liked learning about

787
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: Star Wars. And again during that, like those college years,

788
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: I didn't keep up with everything as intensely. And then

789
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: I started to enter this dragon Con trivia contest and

790
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 3: every year I would do okay but not great, and

791
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: I was like if I just studied a little bit,

792
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: like I could probably win this thing, and so I

793
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: went to YouTube to study, but all of the videos

794
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: at that time any Star Wars lore video.

795
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: They were just like really long, and I'm like, I'm

796
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: in the workforce now, I have a job. I don't

797
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: have time to watch a forty minute video on one topic.

798
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm going to start like going

799
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: back through the books, and I'm going to go through

800
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: the comics, and I'm going to try to study and

801
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: I'll make very short, bite sized videos that'll help me

802
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: remember these things. But I also just saw there's probably

803
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: a market here for just like really fast, digestible videos

804
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: for people who want to learn more about Star Wars.

805
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: So I think that.

806
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: That was my initial thing, of just little bite sized

807
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: bits of Star Wars lore that were easy and fast

808
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: to consume.

809
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: I think that's what set me apart.

810
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: But then also that thought of prequel is really big

811
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: right now and I don't want to be a part

812
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: of that. So I do think that set me apart

813
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: online as well. And at the time, I think that

814
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: I had still some issues with the prequels. I think

815
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: that doing the channel has really made me reevaluate a

816
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: lot of those problems that I've had, And I mean,

817
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: like JC questions like the four speed come up, and

818
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: I think that I have become better and better at

819
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: finding rationalizations using Star Wars itself to be like, oh,

820
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: here's why Obi Wan didn't use it at the end

821
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: against Darth Maul. I feel like I've really trained myself

822
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: to think deeper instead of just go that's a question,

823
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: and I don't like that I have a question at all,

824
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to be mad about it instead,

825
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: I like, you use my brain to figure out an

826
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: answer that works for me.

827
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: Can I pose a Revenge of the Sith question to

828
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 4: you that still drives me crazy?

829
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: Sure?

830
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 4: In Return of the Jedi, Luke and Leah have a

831
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: discussion where Luke says, Leah, do.

832
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: You remember your mother? I mean your real mother?

833
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 4: And if you go to YouTube, everybody's like she's talking

834
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 4: about bray Organe.

835
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Luke says, your real mother.

836
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: So he's asking about Padme and Leah says, you know,

837
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 4: just a little bit. She died when I was very young, Yeah,

838
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 4: like thirty seconds young. Right in the movie, I was

839
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 4: waiting for Lea to be the first born because at

840
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 4: that point perhaps there's a forced connection between Leah and

841
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 4: pad May, and then as Luke's being born, Padme dies.

842
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: That is not what they that is not the direction

843
00:43:54,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 4: they went. Luke was born first. The droid brings Luke

844
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: over to Padme and she's like Luke, and then Leah

845
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: is born. Leah never even pad May have never even

846
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 4: lays eyes on Leah. Can you give me a Star

847
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: Wars in universe explanation for why why that's the one

848
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: thing in Revenge of the Shif that still drives me crazy.

849
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: Do you have a good explanation?

850
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: It's very like Simpson's a Wizard did it. I would

851
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: just say the Force did it. Basically that while Luke

852
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: and Leah are with pad May, they're probably feeling and

853
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: sensing a lot up of her experiences through the Force.

854
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: Like Leah specifically says she remembers her mother being very sad,

855
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't think that there would be a

856
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: way for her to get that as an infant, but

857
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: just to like have that intuition that the Force is

858
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: kind of speaking through her. They kind of touch on

859
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: this in obi Wan Kenobi as well, uh Obi Wan

860
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: and light young Leya have that talk on uh that

861
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: like kind of desert planet and obi Wan talks about

862
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: remembering flashes of his mother and he thinks there was

863
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: a brother there. So I think there's probably just some

864
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: connection that Lea does have through the force that maybe

865
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: a little bit extra since she's a skywalker.

866
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a great answer.

867
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: I didn't think of it that way, you know, because

868
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: you know how our memories can play tricks on us,

869
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: like you think that something just happened yesterday, but it

870
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: actually happened twenty years ago, like seeing Revenge.

871
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: Of the Sith.

872
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: It's almost like there's something in psychology called fuzzy memories,

873
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 3: where you think you're remembering something from a certain time,

874
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: but maybe it's because she's an EmPATH and has four sensibilities,

875
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: she's sensing what was happening at the time, like digging

876
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: deep into her infant memory.

877
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: That's it. I never thought of it that way.

878
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: I was just going to go the route of, well look,

879
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: I just established as like an episodic thing, and you

880
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: know in to TV shows, like a guest star comes on,

881
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, they're the cousin that's a

882
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: series regular in like season three, that was going to

883
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: be my Well look, George probably didn't know like this

884
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: is how it was going to come full circle, and

885
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: he's just like, you know, just just leave it, or

886
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 3: you know, maybe there was some sort of multiversal or

887
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: like this flashpoint like in the Flash, or maybe with

888
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: the four speed like Barry Allen, they broke through the

889
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: speed barrier and that caused some sort of chasm in

890
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: the space time continuum.

891
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: You know, every time you use four speed, it creates

892
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: a new timeline.

893
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: So that's why they don't do it.

894
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: That's why they did the Flash at season seven, because

895
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: like they're like, hey, we can't do this anymore. You

896
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: guys like Barry, you just gotta stop. You touched on

897
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: something that I think is an important discussion for the

898
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 3: three of us about how we had this sort of

899
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: aversion towards the prequels, and there was this overall aversion

900
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: to the prequels and how nowadays, and jac and I

901
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 3: talked about this before you jumped onto the to the Zoom,

902
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: that's pretty much gone at this point, and I would

903
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: love to dive into that with you two dudes.

904
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, the thing that I'm a big

905
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 4: jar Jar Binks fan, like an ironically jar jar Binks fan,

906
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: because I feel like, again, for as much as you

907
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: want to dump on jar Jar Jar Jar is, the

908
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 4: jar Jar is the John, the Alex, or the JC

909
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 4: of the Star Wars universe. He's the guy who gets teased.

910
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 4: He's the guy who uh gets banished. He's the guy

911
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 4: who's not cool. He's the guy he is the the

912
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: Star Wars fan that exists in the Star Wars universe.

913
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 4: And he is the one who who teaches us to

914
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: be unapologetically ourselves.

915
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: Jeorj R. Why were you banished? Oh I'm clumsy? Jarjar?

916
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: Why are you dumb? Well, I'm just me, you know.

917
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 4: I stick my tongue out, I do this. My tongue

918
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 4: is fat. It's okay. Like he is unapologetically himself. And

919
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 4: I I think that George is too smart to put

920
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 4: that character in there without knowing that the people who

921
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: loved Star Wars and who continue to love Star Wars

922
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: are that little kid, you know.

923
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Sam Whitware famously says.

924
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 4: We all think that we're Han Solo, but we are

925
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 4: all Luke Skywalker. We're all the winey farm boy. Your

926
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 4: older brother that you look up to is Hans Solo.

927
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: We're the whiney farm kid. And I think jar Jar

928
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: is us. And I think the reason that everybody hated

929
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 4: on jar Jar so much is it made us uncomfortable

930
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 4: to see ourselves so vulnerable on screen.

931
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: And I just lost the point of your question, lo.

932
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: It that you had asked, well, well, well, that's such

933
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: a great point to bring up because and also Clone

934
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: War about the Clone Wars. Clone Wars totally redeemed jar

935
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: Jar and expanded on that character. And you storry to

936
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: understand look as someone who is neuro diverse ADHD level

937
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: one spectrum autism, spectrum dyslexia.

938
00:48:59,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: I think.

939
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: Jarjar was just someone who was neurodiverse, and people didn't

940
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 3: know how to deal with that. I think now because

941
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 3: the discussions are so much more open with mental health

942
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: and neurodiversity, You're like, oh, he's just this is normal

943
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: to Jarjar. He's just being himself. He's not thinking about

944
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: how do I look to these guys who are in

945
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: these Jedi robes and I have laser swords. He's like,

946
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be me, but I'm also with the best

947
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: intention to help them out. Could they need my help,

948
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: I will help them out and we will go through

949
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: my underwater universe. I love that, you know, that's such

950
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: an important discussion.

951
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 4: So here's where I was going with that, is what

952
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 4: you've seen now is I mean, look at Amad Best

953
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 4: and the reaction he got when he came out at

954
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: Star Wars celebration for the first time in twenty years

955
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 4: or whatever a few years.

956
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: Back in twenty nineteen. Yeah, in twenty nineteen. It is.

957
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: If you ask me about the Prequels, and we've all

958
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 4: talked about it, like they weren't really our thing.

959
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 2: If you ask life, and I don't.

960
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: If you ask somebody who is, like if you have

961
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: a younger sibling or a younger cousin, they loved the

962
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: Prequels right up until the point that us told them

963
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 4: that they were wrong for loving the Prequels. And again

964
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: there was There's a group of guys that came into

965
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 4: my restaurant two days ago. One of them was dressed

966
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: as Darth Vader. Two of them were dressed as Jedi.

967
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 4: They had just come from Revenge of the Sith. And

968
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 4: I went up and I was like, are you coming

969
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 4: from the movie or are you going to the movie?

970
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 4: And they were like, we're coming from the movie. And

971
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: I go, oh my god, were any of you old

972
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 4: enough to see this movie in the theater when it

973
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: came out? And all of them said no, except for

974
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: the guy in the Darth Vader costume. And I was like, oh,

975
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 4: how was it? And they were like, oh, it was magical.

976
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: They were like Revenge of the Sith. They were like

977
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: the other prequels not so much, but Revenge of the

978
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: Sith is my Wars movie. And there these are kids

979
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 4: who are like twenty five, twenty six years old.

980
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: And and.

981
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 4: You know the only reason that young kids who grew

982
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: up with the prequels when they were young don't like

983
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 4: the prequels is because jerks who were our age told

984
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: them when they were impressionable that those movies were no good.

985
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: And now that those kids have come into their own

986
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 4: they're like, hey, old millennials, like, we're not. We love

987
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 4: those movies. Growing up, they're nostalgic for those movies the

988
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: way that we were nostalgic for the original trilogy. And

989
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 4: now they have enough life years behind them that they're

990
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: not afraid to stick up for this stuff that they love,

991
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: which is awesome because it has, like the prequel hate

992
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 4: has disappeared. I also think that without getting political, a

993
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 4: lot of what's going on in the world right now

994
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 4: people are looking at like clairvoyance of George Lucas where

995
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 4: it's like the taxation of trade roots have has disrupted

996
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 4: the galaxy and everybody I saw a meme of just

997
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 4: like people in nineteen ninety like Star Wars fans in

998
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine, and it's like a bunch of people

999
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: like ugh about the episode one scroll. And now it's

1000
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 4: like twenty twenty five and it's George Lucas like laughing about.

1001
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: The taxation of trade roots.

1002
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 4: Right, It's like it's it was like it almost came

1003
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 4: out too early, like he was predicting the fall of

1004
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 4: the Roman Empire, like at the height of the Roman Empire,

1005
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: and now you know, we're all like, oh, oh, maybe

1006
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 4: we should have listened. I think I just got completely lost. No,

1007
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: that's a great way to put it.

1008
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: And also on that with Roman Empire, I feel like

1009
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 3: George was focusing on Musa, who nobody talks about, instead

1010
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: of like Caesar, instead of the headminers that we're talking about,

1011
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: which again goes back to jar Jar and all the

1012
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 3: alternative brown. But Alex, how about you, what's your take

1013
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 3: on this? Because you've had such great insights and I'm

1014
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: a big fan of your YouTube channel and your podcast

1015
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: and and you said, you even admitted, and I went

1016
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: through it too, where I didn't want to say out loud.

1017
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: I'd like the prequels because.

1018
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: One, I was a chronic people pleaser back in the day,

1019
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: and I had this whole incessant desire to be accepted.

1020
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: But again, I wasn't Luke, I wasn't Han, I wasn't Late,

1021
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: I wasn't named them. I wasn't even Chewy, you know

1022
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like I wasn't even on the ship.

1023
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: I wasn't even t K four two to one.

1024
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1025
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: I would have just been happy to be anywhere in

1026
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: that stratosphere, and that certainly spilled over into my social

1027
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: life or lack thereof, and my way in was to

1028
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: be agreeing with the majority. So I'm curious of what

1029
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: your journey was like in terms of seeing the prequels

1030
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 3: to Jorman, what they were going through. I think all

1031
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: Star Wars fans, especially in our age group and age adjacent,

1032
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: we go through kind of a pretentious era where we're

1033
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 3: too cool for Star Wars, and it sounds like all

1034
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: three of us went through that in a different way.

1035
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: So I'd love to hear your personal perspective on that

1036
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 3: and your personal take on how the prequel hate has

1037
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: pretty much disappeared.

1038
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I consider myself like an original trilogy kid,

1039
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: And I always think about Star Wars as kind of

1040
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: like James Bond or another long lasting franchise where everyone

1041
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: has their James Bond that like GoldenEye was mine. I

1042
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: loved the game, loved that movie, so Pierce Brosnan became like,

1043
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: that's who I first think of when I think of Bond.

1044
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: But some people would be like, are you insane? Have

1045
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: you seen die another day? Like other people have Connory

1046
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: or more or whatever. And I think that people tend

1047
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: to gravitate towards what they grew up with, and so

1048
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: we're seeing, Yeah, the people who grew up with the prequels,

1049
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: they're now old enough to, like jac said, fight for

1050
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: the thing that they love. And I just see it

1051
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: now as a cycle. Is that right?

1052
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 3: Now?

1053
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: It's all like sequel hate, Disney Star Wars hate whatever

1054
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: about certain things. And you know, in another ten years,

1055
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: maybe less those fans are going to have more voice

1056
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: on the Internet, and some of them might hate James

1057
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: Mangold's Donna the Jedi movie or something like That's not

1058
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: what I grew up with. And this is really weird,

1059
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's cyclical for the people too.

1060
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: Is that maybe everyone just has to go through that

1061
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: pretentious era where they act like I'm too cool for

1062
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: Star Wars now, and you know, the only good Star

1063
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: Wars was my Star Wars anyway. But then if you

1064
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: keep going, I mean, like I never stopped thinking about

1065
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: Star Wars. It very much shaped the kind of person

1066
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: that I was, and then when I returned to it

1067
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: in a big way, I just was starting to see

1068
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: it in a new light and beyond just the trivia

1069
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: of it all. I think that's something that the Channel

1070
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: has changed for me as well, is that it's not

1071
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: just about the cool ships and all the variants of

1072
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: Tie Fighters, as much as I love them, I'm like, oh, George,

1073
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean he was always saying it, but he really

1074
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: really did want to teach kids lessons. And like when

1075
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: you look at the Clone Wars and every single episode

1076
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 1: has blue text that's like, Hey, this is what you're

1077
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be paying attention to. Is just George wanting

1078
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: to pass along that wisdom and to help everyone get along.

1079
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: And so that's something else that the Clone Wars kind

1080
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: of imparted to me is seeing how much better the

1081
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: Star Wars community is when it acts like a community

1082
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: and when we don't split into these tribes. And it's

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00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: fine to have these fun little debates over whether or

1084
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: not we prefer the originals or the equals, but as

1085
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: long as you're respecting each other and being like, hey,

1086
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: maybe that one Star Wars thing isn't for me, but

1087
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad you love it, and I'm glad that it

1088
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: speaks to you. That's what I have taken from just

1089
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: this constant cycle of Star Wars hate and then that

1090
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: thing that is hated now becomes beloved, and then the

1091
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: next thing is hated, and so on and so on.

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00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, we could just probably understand that we could

1093
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: skip the cycle and treat everything with respect.

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00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it. I love that

1095
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: you're talking about the cycle here, because I saw this

1096
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: interview with Michael Jordan and someone's like, you know, you're

1097
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: rated as a number one most popular athlete, and he

1098
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: just was like, hey, look, that's because the people writing

1099
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: those articles are people that watch me play. Twenty years

1100
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: from now, they may say Lebron because those people come

1101
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: of asion. They're the ones that are headlining legacy media,

1102
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: and I feel like that is one the influence of

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00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: media on certain people's perception, and that's going to influence

1104
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: your own thoughts. But bringing it back to you, it's

1105
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 3: I think we need that, and we need that pretentious era,

1106
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: whatever the reason, we went through that to understand who

1107
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: we are and then where we see ourselves within Star Wars.

1108
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 3: And I think you put it so beautifully by talking

1109
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: about that cycle. It's going to be cyclical. Like people

1110
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: who I know, people who will die in the Hill,

1111
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: that they think the Last Jedi is the best Star

1112
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 3: Wars movie. Fine, I don't agree. It's not my favorite one.

1113
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and dump on anything

1114
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 3: because one Ryan Johnson's not here to defend himself and

1115
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: neither is anybody from that film. But that's what somebody

1116
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: identifies with. I like, that's beautiful. It doesn't resonate with

1117
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 3: me because I grew up with the original trilogy. I know,

1118
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 3: I went into my twenties with the prequels and those

1119
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: resonate with me, and then Clone Wars resonates with me.

1120
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 3: But I think that's such a great way to put it,

1121
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: because there's always going to be a cycle of this

1122
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 3: one's on top, this one's on bottom. But then as

1123
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: things evolve and as people evolve, and also the people

1124
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: on the media are reporting on those things grow up

1125
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: or come of age, that will shift in like in

1126
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 3: a societal sort of way. It's a very fascinating thought

1127
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 3: because I'm reading this book by Keith Payne. He's this

1128
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: economic psychologist at the University of North Carolina, and he

1129
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: was talking about how and again not to get political,

1130
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: but his book does deal with it. A lot of

1131
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: times people think that they believe in a certain ideology,

1132
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: but it's really you're kind of joining a social group.

1133
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 3: So bringing it back to us, yeah, we went through

1134
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: a pretentious face because it wasn't quite cool to like

1135
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 3: Star Wars, but that's not really how we internally felt.

1136
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: Like I think back like man, like I was kind

1137
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 3: of dying in cyber attending, Like I didn't like episode three,

1138
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: but I was so fearful of not being perceived as

1139
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: one of the cool kids. If I were to say

1140
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: that out loud, I think it's just a really interesting

1141
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: like psychological, you know, study as well.

1142
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: I kind of think that like maybe when you're growing

1143
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: up and you're watching something you start to want to

1144
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: crave stuff that's made for older people, and so you

1145
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: start to think, you know what, all the stuff I

1146
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: grew up with, it's not cool anymore. I want to watch,

1147
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, R rated movies, and that's what it means

1148
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: to be mature. And so you leave like the childish

1149
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: things behind because you didn't really understand all the stuff

1150
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: it was trying to tell you. But then returning to

1151
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: it as an adult and being like, this is so

1152
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: much deeper than I recognized it was when I was younger.

1153
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: It's more important, and I think like a lot of

1154
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: those lessons did seep in, and I think I did

1155
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: get them. But now going back and looking at everything

1156
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: Yoda tells Luke, for example, I'm like, I get it now,

1157
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: Like I get why he's telling Luke like you will

1158
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: be afraid of your own power and your own responsibilities.

1159
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: But back then, I was like, I just don't get it.

1160
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: That puppet's being creepy.

1161
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: John.

1162
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Speaker 4: You brought up Clone Wars earlier, and something struck me.

1163
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 4: As I was watching Revenge of the Sith last night,

1164
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 4: my life was watching it too, And now she's only

1165
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 4: seen that movie twice. She saw it in the theater

1166
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 4: and she saw it once again with me in the

1167
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 4: lead up to Force Awakens, and as she's watching it

1168
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 4: last night, she said something like about Anakin's turn, she

1169
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 4: felt rushed, turned to the dark side. She felt rushed,

1170
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 4: which I never felt, but she does. And it's interesting

1171
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 4: right when we're talking about the different generations of Star

1172
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 4: Wars fans, the kids who grew up with Clone Wars,

1173
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 4: like I have a cousin who's, gosh, I don't know,

1174
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 4: twenty years younger than I am, and he grew up

1175
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 4: with Clone Wars. Clone Wars was his gateway into Star Wars.

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01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 4: When it went on Netflix. He found Clone Wars and

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01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 4: that's his Star Wars. Like more so Clone Wars and Rebels,

1178
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 4: like hey thinks that Dave Filoni created Star Wars. George

1179
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 4: Lucas is like some like ghosts in the past. And

1180
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 4: the thing I always think about the way Clone Wars

1181
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 4: helps contextualize Revenge of the Sith comes to mind that

1182
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 4: in season seven of Clone Wars, which came out right

1183
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 4: around the first season of Rebels, there's an episode with

1184
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 4: Padme and Clovis where pad May and Clovis team up

1185
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 4: to go on a diplomatic mission and Anakin loses his

1186
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 4: mind with jealousy and storms into the condo or the

1187
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 4: hotel room that they're sharing together because he's in a

1188
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 4: fit of rage with jealousy and starts beating on Clovis.

1189
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Speaker 4: He like takes his glove off, and Clovis is like,

1190
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 4: stop using your Jedi powers. He like takes his glove

1191
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 4: off and punching Clovis with his robotic hand, and Captain

1192
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 4: Typho walks in and like, Clovis plays the part perfectly,

1193
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 4: and he's like, we've been attacked and Skywalker saved us, right,

1194
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 4: because now at this point, Clovis has figured out that

1195
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 4: Anakin and Padme are together and he and he plays

1196
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 4: the political game because now he's like a separatist. And

1197
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 4: then the fallout from that is there's like a very poignant,

1198
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 4: real discussion between Padme and Anakin about their relationship. And

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Speaker 4: season seven of season one of Clone Wars came out

1200
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight. Season seven came out in

1201
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen, so there's six years there. So if you

1202
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 4: are ten years old watching Clone Wars episode season one,

1203
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 4: and now you're like seven eight years in watching this,

1204
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 4: you're now sixteen seventeen years old. You're having these boyfriend

1205
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 4: girlfriend relationships that show grew with the audience. That's one

1206
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 4: of the most intense episodes, that is as intense as

1207
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 4: anything that's in Revenge of the Sith. And if you're

1208
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 4: growing up watching that, you're watching Revenge of the Sith. Differently,

1209
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 4: Anakin's turn to the dark side doesn't happen in Revenge

1210
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 4: of the Sith. You watch it happen with the sand

1211
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 4: People in episode two, and then slowly over the course

1212
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 4: of hundred of hours of the Clone Wars. And so

1213
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 4: now as if you're this generation after probably two generations

1214
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 4: after us, you've grown up with Clone Wars, you see

1215
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 4: Revenge of the Sith for the first time, and you're

1216
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 4: anticipating the thing that is going to make Anakin snap, right,

1217
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 4: And so you know, if George's goal was to make

1218
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 4: a myth that is going to survive as long as

1219
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 4: Beywolf or the Odyssey. You don't consume the Iliad and

1220
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 4: the Odyssey in context of when it came out. It

1221
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 4: just exists as one thing. And so you're watching Revenge

1222
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 4: of the Sith. Now you have you've consumed this whole story,

1223
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 4: the whole dynamic is different. That movie is if you

1224
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 4: watch it from as one long epic, like, that movie

1225
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 4: is crazy, how how it pays off everything that comes

1226
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 4: before it, starting with episode one, and Anakin being like

1227
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 4: this innocent little boy, like it's such.

1228
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Speaker 2: A crazy, crazy arc. Yeah, one hundred percent, and I

1229
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: would even know.

1230
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 3: That's why I always i'd like to tell people I

1231
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 3: think Clone Wars was like the truest vision of what

1232
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 3: George had in mind, because again, he loved episodic. He

1233
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: created such a very deep and rich world with all

1234
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 3: this very finer minutia that he could dive into in

1235
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: the Clone War series, which in feature films like I

1236
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 3: believe in, don't show me everything, you know, like have

1237
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 3: me some give me some pre context, and then the

1238
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: actress can fill in the rest. And I completely agree

1239
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 3: jac Where the moment Anakin disassociated was in episode two,

1240
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: not when he killed the sad people. That's when the

1241
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 3: transformation started. The moment he help Smeth Skywalker in his

1242
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 3: arms and her lifeless body is when he disassociated, and

1243
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: that was the catalyst was going to lead to him

1244
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 3: fully embracing the dark side and becoming dark theader, which we,

1245
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: as our listeners, don't know yet later this month we're

1246
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 3: gonna have the mental health breakdown. I'm bringing my friend

1247
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 3: Celia bihar On, who's a license a clinician and psychotherapist

1248
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 3: who's going to break down some of the mental health themes,

1249
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: especially with Anakin Skywalker.

1250
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: So stay tuned for that one.

1251
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 3: Okay, I got two more things before we're going to

1252
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: wrap up here, and one is a quick uh, it's

1253
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: going to be you guys going to see has great stories.

1254
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 3: This is gonna be another great story. And this does

1255
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: tie into episode three because on IMDb, Steven Spielberg, the

1256
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 3: Great Steven Spielberg, one of my idols, is uncredited as

1257
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: a second unit director, and the urban legend is that

1258
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: he was like the secret ghost director of the movie.

1259
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that that's what it was. I'm

1260
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 3: sure if I'm sure, if George asked his opinion, Steven

1261
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: would give him feedback. But this is one hundred percent

1262
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 3: of George Lucas movie. There's no denying that. However, I'm

1263
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 3: to have the luxury of like a cheatk code of

1264
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: Steven Spielberg concept to be like, hey, you might want

1265
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: to try this. Whatever the reason I bring up Steven

1266
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 3: Spielberg is because one I grew up on Spielberg movies.

1267
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: To me, like every single movie he does, like he's

1268
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 3: just on a four dimensional metaphysical plane that none of

1269
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 3: us can understand but him, because he's the only one

1270
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: on it. It's a lifelong dream of mine to be

1271
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 3: to work with Steven Spielberg or be directed by him. However,

1272
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: one person on this panel has technically been directed by

1273
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: Steven Spielberg, and that is our man, jac And if

1274
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 3: you could lay into the story a little bit of

1275
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 3: what I mean by you are technically directed by Steven Spielberg.

1276
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay. So my.

1277
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Speaker 4: Wife is a bar and restaurant designer and was tapped

1278
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 4: to do the Spielberg's restaurant. Stephen's background. Steven Spielberg, his

1279
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 4: mom owned a kosher restaurant in Los Angeles called the

1280
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 4: Milky Way, and when she passed, and he documented so

1281
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 4: much of this in The Fableman's when she passed, they

1282
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 4: closed the restaurant I think for a year, and the

1283
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 4: family was trying to decide what to do, and they

1284
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 4: decided to kind of like reopen it as a memorial

1285
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 4: to their mother. And my wife was tasked with redesigning

1286
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 4: the restaurant to.

1287
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: Reflect the post.

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 4: I think her name was Leah Era of the Milky Way,

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Speaker 4: and she worked very close with the Spielberg family, and

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01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 4: as a result of that, we went to the friends

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Speaker 4: and family opening of the new Spielberg restaurant, and being

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Speaker 4: in the room with Steven Spielberg, I did not have

1293
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 4: the same oh, what's the word, I don't want to

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01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 4: I didn't have the same gusto. Let's say, I was

1295
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 4: going to use a different word to go up and

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01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 4: approach him at his own restaurant opening. So I just

1297
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 4: kind of played in the shadows. But he came over

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01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 4: always the director and grabbed my wife and walked through

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Speaker 4: the restaurant with her and was like, Oh, I love

1300
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 4: what you did with the lighting here and the way

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01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 4: that the photos of my family are over here.

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Speaker 2: This is great.

1303
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 4: I think you should have done something different here, like

1304
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 4: very much directing the scene of the restaurant, And a

1305
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 4: little later on, his niece was taking a photo with

1306
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 4: He was taking a photo of his niece or his daughter,

1307
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 4: somebody in his family with her boyfriend, and my wife

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01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, can you get a picture

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01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 4: of me and my boyfriend also, and so he took

1310
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 4: her camera, and obviously he's no fool, he knew what

1311
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 4: was going on. And he goes, okay, both of you guys,

1312
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 4: look off to your left, like, look over there at

1313
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 4: that light. I'm going to count to three. And when

1314
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 4: I say three, both of you turn back and look

1315
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 4: at the camera, look at me.

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Speaker 2: So we do it.

1317
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 4: He goes one, two, three, and we turn and look

1318
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 4: and he snaps a photo, and he was like, uh, okay,

1319
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 4: let's do it again. He goes, okay, ready, look over

1320
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 4: there again, look at the light. When I say three.

1321
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 4: As soon as I looked say three, turned quickly and

1322
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 4: looked right back at me.

1323
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 2: So we did it.

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01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 4: He snaps two photos, hands the phone back, and now

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01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, I was directed by Steven Spielberg,

1326
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 4: and I have a portrait taken of me by Steven Spielberg,

1327
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 4: Like I'm giddy. And my wife looks at her phone

1328
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 4: and she rolls back to the first one and it's

1329
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 4: so blurry, and she's like, how funny is it that

1330
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 4: the first photo taken was blurry. Now, obviously it's not

1331
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 4: Steven Spielberg's fault. It was low light in a restaurant.

1332
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 4: But but yeah, that was that was my I've been

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 4: directed by Spielberg the same way that Ewan and Hayden were.

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01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: Unit second unit directed during the musta Far scene.

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 3: So you are fully in the canon of Star Wars.

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01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 3: Is what we're saying, is what we were getting to

1337
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 3: And but how cool.

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Speaker 4: Is from a yeah, everything Star Wars if you, if

1339
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 4: you tag it with from a certain point of view,

1340
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 4: becomes completely acceptable.

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01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: One hundred versent.

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Speaker 3: I remember when you first showed me that photos when

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01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: we first met, uh and I was talking about Spielberg.

1344
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 3: You're like, well, I have something. I don't have a

1345
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 3: photo with Spielberg and you show me this photo and

1346
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: I was like, this is a very well composed photo.

1347
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, because Steven Spielberg took it. I'm like,

1348
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 3: you got directed by Steven Spielberg. I mean, that's wonderful photo.

1349
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 3: So I just wanted you to share that story because

1350
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 3: I love that story, and I think I think our

1351
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 3: listeners in we'll make that a social clip too. I

1352
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 3: think anyone viewing it will enjoy it as well. So

1353
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 3: we're at the tail end of this discuss. I could

1354
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 3: literally talk to you guys for hours about this, by

1355
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 3: the way, and Alex, I hope you come back. I

1356
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 3: think we can maybe tell yes a recurring crossover thing

1357
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 3: because I love your insights. And again, I think you're

1358
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 3: doing such amazing stuff with Star Wars Explained. And to

1359
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: see the evolution of your channel and also yourself and

1360
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: those two ven Dia Grenzy come in a circle.

1361
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 2: I think it's a really cool thing.

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01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 3: And and we hope that you let us be part

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01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: of your journey by doing some of these crossovers. And

1364
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 3: maybe we'll come on Star Wars Explain sometime and you

1365
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 3: and jac can have a trivia base off.

1366
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: I'll be the referee in that game.

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01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 4: I don't want the embarrassed, not publicly. I want it

1368
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 4: to be like the fight between Rocky and Apollo Creed

1369
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 4: that happens off screen.

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01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 2: Like we can do that, but I don't want it.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll get a question and then we'll go, we'll

1372
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: both go to answer it, and it'll cut and that

1373
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: you'll turn into.

1374
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 2: An oil painting.

1375
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 3: How about that, like before anybody can know, and then

1376
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 3: it'll be the great debate, well who won? And uh,

1377
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 3: when we have our Creed equivalent spin off, maybe we'll

1378
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 3: answer it then but that'll be the.

1379
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: Question is who shot first, and we both go like, well,

1380
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: and then it's it cuts going.

1381
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: To say, well, technically no one like someone just shot,

1382
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 3: depending on whatever version you saw. So the thing I

1383
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 3: want to end on is this we we've been. I

1384
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 3: think we've had a really great discussion on our first

1385
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 3: impressions of episode three, how it's a ball over time,

1386
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 3: how the equal hate has really disappeared. I would love

1387
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 3: to know your guys perspective, and I'll go first because

1388
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 3: mine will be won't be as in depth as you

1389
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 3: two gurus of where you rank episode three personally and

1390
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 3: where you rank it overall. Let's just say of the

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 3: first of the six Lucas movies.

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01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 2: For me, and this has changed over the years.

1393
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 3: Growing up, I was Empire Strikes Factor Died Like that

1394
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: was always number one. I was always Empire Strikes Back,

1395
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 3: and rightfully SOK is one that was kind of the

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 3: popular vote, but also it's an incredible movie with one

1397
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 3: of the most incredible twists of all time. But then

1398
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 3: when Episode three came out, it was a very close second.

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01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 3: Again I was afraid to say it out loud at

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01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 3: the time. I was like, man, this is great and

1401
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 3: I was also going through a transitionary period where I

1402
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 3: was about to be graduating college in a couple of years,

1403
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 3: So I think just all those things coming together had

1404
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 3: that certain effect on me when I saw episode three.

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 3: But now like that has changed quite a bit because

1406
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 3: of Clone Wars, because of OPI Wan, because of really

1407
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: hindsight being twenty twenty, and whatever you want to call it.

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01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 3: I think with all the context we have with episode three,

1409
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 3: one is my personal favorite, and two, I would argue

1410
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: it's the best one of the six because of what

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01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: it led to, and also the twist and empire only

1412
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: really works the first time you see it. You know

1413
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: it really just that's just how movie twists are. But

1414
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: when I resaw when I rewatched episode three in the

1415
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 3: theater recently, one it was magical. It was everything the

1416
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 3: twenty century Fox fanfare is Star Wars like, it just

1417
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 3: hits different. It's still just as heartbreaking, if not more,

1418
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: even though you know that's how I was going to end,

1419
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 3: and what I loved about it is up to that

1420
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 3: point we viewed Darth Vader as his villain, which he

1421
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 3: very much became, but it painted him more as like

1422
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 3: a tragic villain like a Greek tragedy, and it changed

1423
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,520
Speaker 3: our perspective of how somebody with the best of intentions

1424
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 3: could turn wrong. So with that, I say Episode three

1425
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 3: is my personal favorite, but I would argue it's best one.

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Speaker 2: And now I throw it to you, guys.

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Speaker 4: I'll let Alex finish. I'll go very quickly. I'm so

1428
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 4: right or die with the original trilogy. I can't make

1429
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 4: as bold of a statement as what you just dropped, John,

1430
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 4: but I will say personally, it's hard for me to

1431
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 4: Revenge of the Sith, with which I shared. That story

1432
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:29,560
Speaker 4: changed my life in ways that are incomprehensible. But I

1433
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 4: don't ever get to that moment without the original trilogy,

1434
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 4: and that is sanctity to me, that is untouchable. Holy

1435
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 4: I can't mess with that. I will before giving my order.

1436
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:56,520
Speaker 4: I'll say this. The genius of Star Wars and particularly

1437
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 4: the prequel trilogy that I I don't think gets enough love,

1438
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 4: is that my personal favorite Star Wars movie is Return

1439
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 4: of the Jedi, and that's the one I grew up

1440
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 4: watching all the time. And the genius of Revenge of

1441
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 4: the Sith and the prequels is that it shows the

1442
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 4: flawed Jedi order and It shows the flawed Jedi order

1443
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 4: very subtly in that you think the Jedi are the

1444
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 4: good guy, but the Jedi are full of hubris and arrogance.

1445
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 4: That entire trilogy, and you know episode two is a

1446
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 4: Jedi shall not know hate or peace or love or

1447
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 4: whatever the thing is, but it's love. A Jedi shall

1448
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 4: not know love. And then what you see is the

1449
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,839
Speaker 4: denial of love from the Jedi. How that rots at Anakin,

1450
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:01,440
Speaker 4: and how because he doesn't have a the loving relationship

1451
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 4: he has with Obi Wan, which he has to deny

1452
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 4: like contorts what his idea of love is for Padme.

1453
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 4: And I would argue that Anakin doesn't love Padme. Anakin

1454
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 4: is obsessed with Padme, and that obsession and that denial

1455
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 4: of love and that denial of guidance to love is

1456
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 4: what causes Anakin to completely lose everything and essentially destroy

1457
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 4: the Jedi.

1458
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1459
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 4: The ability for Palpatine to manipulate Anakin the way that

1460
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 4: he did is because of the denial of love of

1461
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 4: the Jedi, and the genius of Star Wars and the

1462
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 4: genius of those prequels is setting up that denial of

1463
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 4: love to show that love is the most important force

1464
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 4: in the Galaxy pun intended, because it is love that

1465
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 4: fulfills Darth Vader's prophecy.

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01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 2: It is.

1467
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 4: Luke's love for his father. I gets so emotional talking

1468
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 4: about it, and Darth Vader's Anakin's love for Luke that

1469
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 4: ultimately saves the galaxy. That's the prophecy of bringing balance

1470
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 4: to the forest right there, and I think Revenge of

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01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 4: the Sith shows that so well, and it makes that

1472
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 4: turn at the end of Return of the Jedi, which

1473
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 4: is my favorite moment in all of Star Wars, so

1474
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 4: much more poignant. All that being said, best my personal

1475
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 4: favorite best Star Wars, a New Hope, Return of the Jedi,

1476
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 4: Empire strikes back, I'm sorry, Rogue One, Revenge of the Sith,

1477
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 4: the Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clone Solo, and then.

1478
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 2: Off from there.

1479
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 4: But I do think that my personal favorite is Return

1480
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 4: of the Jedi, and then Revenge of the Sith makes

1481
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 4: Return to the Jedi, especially that big moment at the end,

1482
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 4: which I think is the most important moment in all

1483
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 4: of Star Wars, that moment about love so much stronger,

1484
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 4: and I think it shows how important love is and

1485
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 4: how love is the central line through all those movies.

1486
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 4: Anakin's love for his mom. All the way through, you

1487
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 4: get to see what George is really saying in subtextas

1488
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 4: is that is what binds the galaxy together more so

1489
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 4: than the Force.

1490
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: I think I would argue that love and the Force

1491
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: are very tightly linked. That the Force is having compassion

1492
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: for everyone else and love for everyone else. The Force

1493
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: is what binds the galaxy together, and just recognition that

1494
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: we're all on the same planet and we need to

1495
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: take care of the planet and each other. But yeah,

1496
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,520
Speaker 1: I agree with what you said, JC that the prequels

1497
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: make those later moments in Return of the Jedi hit

1498
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: even harder. I think that the prequels are where George

1499
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: really dug into the dark side, especially when like talking

1500
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: about just not grasping everything when I was twelve and

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Speaker 1: seeing these movies for the first time. But Yoda talking

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01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,839
Speaker 1: about how fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate

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01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: leads to suffering, and just that tracking that through Anakin's

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01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: journey through the dark Side and how just his fear

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01:21:53,760 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: of losing love turns it into yeah, a possessive love.

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01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: I think that the prequels are so much deeper than

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01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: people initially gave them credit for even me like doing

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01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: the channel revisiting them over and over and over again,

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01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: like I still see new things in them every single time.

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01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: And ranking Star Wars movies is always really really hard

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01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: for me just because it changes constantly. And like jac

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01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 1: I would agree, I'm ranking Rogue one a little extra

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01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: high right now because and Or just came out, like

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01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 1: it's on my mind and just got to see that,

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01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: like in a new light rewatching Rogue one that it

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01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: got its own little prequel series. So my personal favorite

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01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: is always, I think going to be a New Hope.

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Speaker 1: That was the one that captured my imagination, and when

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01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: my parents introduced it to me, they kind of held off,

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: which was smart of them. They held off on telling

1521
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: me there were more right away, and I just like watched.

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01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: A New Hope over and over and over again, and.

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01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 1: I think they were like, let's see how much mileage

1524
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,480
Speaker 1: we can get out of just this, and then eventually

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01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, there's there's two more, and than

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01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,919
Speaker 1: every single one that I watched became my new favorite.

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01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: But I always go back to a New Hope, So

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01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: that's my favorite one. And like you, JC, I'm an

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01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: original trilogy kid at heart, so I've got to put

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01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: them one, two, three, and then even like between it

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01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: is between Revenge of the Sith and the Phantom Menace

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01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: that comes next. But like I was twelve when I

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01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: saw Phantom Menace, and I just have such a deep

1534
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: connection with pod racing and Darth Maul and that lightsaber fight.

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01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: But I do think I had an even bigger high

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01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: walking out of Revenge of the Sith for the first

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01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 1: time today, And maybe it is because you know it's

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01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: the twentieth anniversary. I'll put that one number four, but

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01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: it's a tight race between that and Phantom Menace for me.

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Speaker 3: All solid answers, and again we're all really saying the

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01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 3: same thing, and there's no wrong answer because it's all

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01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 3: our own perspective and what resonates with us and where

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01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 3: we were in our lives, which you just demonstrated. And

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01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 3: thank you to the both of you for articulating your

1545
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 3: point of views, your certain point of views, if you will,

1546
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 3: so beautifully and so you know so well, and it

1547
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 3: gives me stuff to think about, and it makes me

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01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 3: appreciate you too, as you know fellows, Star Wars fans

1549
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 3: and as people, and I think that's just how discussion

1550
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 3: should be. We don't always have to align like we

1551
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: don't literally everybody who's listening. None of us agreed on

1552
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 3: our ranking, but we're not, you know, admonishing each other

1553
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 3: for that. We're just like, hey, this is what resonates

1554
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 3: with us, and that's what fandoms really should be. I'm

1555
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 3: not here to prothelysize how fandom should be, but I'm

1556
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 3: just for me. It's like, I want to hear what

1557
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 3: jcsc I want to hear what Alex damon SCA, and

1558
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 3: when we're doing the core episodes on Potter Rebellion, I

1559
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 3: love hearing what Vanessat and Taylor have to say because

1560
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 3: that's only going to rich your own personal experience by

1561
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 3: getting that information. You don't have to take it to heart,

1562
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: you don't have to utilize that in your own everyday life,

1563
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 3: but it's always valuable to get those perspectives. And I

1564
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 3: thank you both for for giving me your your perspectives

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01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 3: on something that really there's infinite amounts of answers and

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01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 3: no correct one except for the one that you find

1567
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:20,799
Speaker 3: within yourself.

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01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you both for that. But that being said,

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01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 2: episode three is the best one. I'm just kidding.

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01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 3: Look, no, no, no, that's just you know, but that

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01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 3: and I do want to say, this is Alex when

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01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: you come back. I didn't mean to cut you out there, JC.

1573
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 3: I love that you mentioned the Solo movie, JC, because

1574
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 3: I love Solo. I think Solo got so much unnecessary

1575
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: hate got review bond. When people actually watch that movie,

1576
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 3: especially if you're a fan of Rebels, it's like a

1577
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 3: long episode of Rebels that just didn't take place in

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01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 3: the world of Star Wars Rebels. So Alex, maybe the

1579
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 3: next time you come on, we can do a little

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01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 3: deep diving of Solo and see, you know, offer another

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01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 3: certain point of view.

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01:25:59,160 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 2: If you will.

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01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: I love Solo, and that's another one that I remember

1584
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: going into it thinking, I really hope that this isn't

1585
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of a checklist of on meeting Chewbacca and getting

1586
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: his blaster and getting the Falcon and doing the Kessel

1587
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: run and meeting Landa and then exactly that happened. But

1588
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so much fun like that.

1589
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: That's my easy watching Star Wars movie where I'm like,

1590
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: if I just want to have a good time and

1591
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: just go on a romp with some fun characters like that,

1592
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 1: that one's such an easy one to throw on.

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01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jason, what are we going to say before I unfortunately,

1594
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 3: before I rudely cut you off hypolizes.

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01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 4: No, I was just going to say at the time

1596
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,759
Speaker 4: that we are recording this podcast, Revenge of the Sith

1597
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 4: has grossed twenty five over twenty five million dollars in

1598
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 4: its re release, and that is a bunch of old

1599
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 4: guys like us going back to relive what we saw

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01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 4: twenty years ago. Not just that, it's a bunch of

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01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 4: kids who are finally old enough to go and see

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01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 4: their favorite Star Wars in the movie theater, which is

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01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 4: pretty cool.

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01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 2: I mean, twenty five million.

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01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,719
Speaker 4: Dollars is a massive houle for a movie that's twenty

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01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 4: years old that you can watch for free on Disney. Plus,

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01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 4: think about that that movie is getting people off their

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01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:30,440
Speaker 4: sofa to a movie theater at ridiculous ticket prices, buying popcorn,

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01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 4: doing the whole thing. It's still an event movie. It

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01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 4: is still an event movie twenty years later. How crazy

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01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 4: is that?

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01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 2: JC? That is the best fact check yet.

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01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that because there's gonna be another

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01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 3: one that you do that's going to blow our minds.

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01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 3: But in terms of what we're talking about today and

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01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 3: where we've been so far on the podcast journey, a

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01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 3: pot of rebellion, I think that for this moment, because

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01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 3: the goalpost always shifted, as we know, our ideologies shipped

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01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 3: a little bit. But as at this moment, as of today,

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01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 3: that is the best fact check you've ever done thus far,

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01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 3: and that's a fact you can fact check that. Well,

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01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 3: thank you all again, Alex. Where can people find you

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01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 3: on YouTube and also Apple podcasts and also social media

1624
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 3: so they can keep up with all the awesome stuff

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01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 3: you're doing.

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01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you just search for Star Wars Explained, we

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01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 1: should come up. Got a fun little yellow icon. It's

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01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: not too hard to find. We're on YouTube and Blue

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01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: Sky and yeah, we have the audio versions of our

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01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: longer form content on Spotify and.

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01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 3: Apple excellent, excellent. Well, we appreciate you donating your time.

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01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 3: I know you're a busy guy, so really appreciate you

1633
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 3: coming on our podcast. I can't wait till you come

1634
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 3: back so we could talk about solo a little bit.

1635
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 3: But until then, just consider the both of us big

1636
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 3: fans of what you do there and they approach you

1637
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 3: take in terms of diving into this fandom that could

1638
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 3: be a very dangerous path. But you know, unlike Anakin

1639
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 3: episode three, you're able to lean into the light side

1640
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 3: and find balance in the light side, and you know,

1641
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 3: also convey that message to others that are listening, which

1642
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 3: is obviously you know you've been successful at because you

1643
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 3: do have a very loyal following.

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01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: Hi rightfully, so well, thank you.

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01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: I had a great time and I'm a big fan

1646
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 1: of Potter Rebellion. Like we've both my wife Molly and

1647
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: I have been loving listening to the the Rewatch podcast,

1648
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: so thank you for doing that.

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01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 3: Of course, Well, the circle is complete, as as Darth

1650
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 3: Vader would say, right is at the exact quote? Did

1651
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,719
Speaker 3: I misquote a little bit? Circle is now complete?

1652
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 4: When the circle issued Learner, Now I am the master.

1653
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 2: I'm a master of evil Darth.

1654
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 3: See, this is why I got the JC around, because

1655
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 3: I got to make sure that my facts are straight.

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01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: As always, you can follow us at Potter Rebellion on Instagram,

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01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 3: write to us Potter Rebellion Podcasts at gmail dot com

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01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 3: and leave us a nice review in five star rating,

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01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 3: not just for us, but also for Alex Damon and

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01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 3: Star Wars. Explain because if anyone else really deserves the

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01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 3: five star rating. It is Star Wars explained. Uh, we

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01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 3: will be back to our regularly scheduling program as always

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01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 3: with the recap episodes. We have a mental health so

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01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 3: coming up on Star Wars as well at later this

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01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 3: month because May is Mental Health Awareness month and self

1666
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 3: care and mental health awareness is very important. But until then, well,

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Speaker 3: Taylor's not here, but Alex. Our outro with Taylor, as

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Speaker 3: you know our three magic words. Do you want to

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01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 3: send us out?

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01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 2: You have to remind me what they are? It's cue

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01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 2: the music, Cue the music.

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Speaker 3: Potter Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producing,

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01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 3: hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray, and John

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01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 3: Ley Brody Executive producer and in house Star Wars guru

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01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 3: slash back checker j C.

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Speaker 2: Reifenberg.

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Speaker 3: Our music was composed by Mikey Flash. Our cover art

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Speaker 3: was created by Neil Fraser of Neil Fraser Designs. Special

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Speaker 3: thanks to Hally Frey and Aaron Kaufman over at iHeart,

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Speaker 3: Evan Krasco or At, Willie Morrison, Devor Trasy Canobio, George

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01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 3: Lucas for creating this universe. We love so much and

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01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 3: of course all of our amazing listeners. Follow us on

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Speaker 3: Instagram at Potter Rebellion and email us at Auto Rebellion

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Speaker 3: Podcasts at gmail dot com.