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Speaker 2: But look, we don't often open the show live in

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Speaker 2: the midst of something, but round two of the One

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Speaker 2: Chancechampionship Heavyweight unification fight between anatotally Mallikin and our Gen

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Speaker 2: Buller is going on right now down there in Is

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Speaker 2: it Singapore? Luke? Is that where this is doaking?

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Speaker 1: I No, They're in Thailand Island.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, we are midway through round two. This is

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Speaker 2: happening now. You can watch this fight live on the

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Speaker 2: One Championship YouTube page at the moment. But Luke, welcome in, dude.

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Speaker 2: We have we got okay bet to get through. We

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Speaker 2: got to set the stage for a busy boxing weekend

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Speaker 2: and we have big time breaking news over the last

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Speaker 2: should be a hell of a program.

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Speaker 1: It should be. Sorry, I'm trying to watch this. Malakin's

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing he's been doing the whole fight.

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Speaker 1: He's just kind of marching Buller down. Buller not doing

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Speaker 1: a whole lot. But Melikan at two fifty seven here,

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Speaker 1: second round kick kack quite put him away. But to

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Speaker 1: your point, BC, a lot to get to in the

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Speaker 1: combat sports world, betting, Canelo news. Yeah, fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: Just to recap, Luke, as we continue live through this

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Speaker 2: one championship heavyweight unification, about anatotally mal the interim champ

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Speaker 2: has never been past midway in round two. He's only

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Speaker 2: So we'll see as we hit the midway point here

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Speaker 2: of round two, what kind of stamina he has? Very paced,

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Speaker 2: controlled start for Malikin not rushing it, But Luke, he's

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Speaker 2: been touching Buller consistently and cornering him at will in

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Speaker 2: this boxing ring that they're fighting.

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Speaker 1: Malakin's one of these guys. The reason we're bringing this

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Speaker 1: up is he's one of these guys that BC and

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Speaker 1: I both really sort of sit up to watch. He's

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Speaker 1: exciting at heavyweight. I said, I thought he was on

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Speaker 1: maybe even taller than Buller. I was surprised by that.

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Speaker 1: I guess I underestimated how tall he was. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: a very very exciting heavyweight outside the UFC, and right

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Speaker 1: now he's in cruise control. He's not like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Buller's still in it, but it's all Mallechan through too.

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Speaker 2: Basically Buller returning Luke from two years of inactivity and

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Speaker 2: contract disputes and injuries, but he's back. Did you think

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Speaker 2: he used that two years to shapen up his falupah

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Speaker 2: enough around the waistline? Or am I just you know,

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Speaker 2: am I just talking shit about heavyweights when it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter what your abs look like at this let?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think he's probably in decent shape.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's really the issue.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Malikan just uppercuts to the body in the corner. Why, Luke,

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Speaker 2: why did they decide? Ultimately? I know this this fight card,

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Speaker 2: this one championship fight card has a lot of muytai

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Speaker 2: on it. But what do you think was the decision

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Speaker 2: maker on going ring over cage in.

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Speaker 1: This that one? I don't understand it doesn't I guess

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Speaker 1: maybe Jesus Mallekan is landing some heavy bombs oh ballers

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Speaker 2: Well corner against this No, no.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you can't. This guy's yeah, you're right, he

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Speaker 1: mean he is. He is moving downhill on you. It's

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Speaker 1: beast Moode the whole time. I don't really understand why

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Speaker 1: you have to like for folks that don't really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's getting backed up and beat on here.

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Speaker 2: and he's throwing uppercuts to the body. His name is Mallekin, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Does he run grosser trains than the third Battalion of

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Speaker 1: That wasn't where I got offered to run the train.

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Speaker 1: That was actually an mos school at twenty nine Palms.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll continue to update on this live, Luke.

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Speaker 2: in the one Championship unification bouts, So Malikins stepped on

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Speaker 2: Buller's back on the ground. What happened here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got taken down off of us some kind

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Speaker 2: a gap in Mallakin's cardio. Malc's never been here, just

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Speaker 2: never been here before, Luke past two rounds. But uh,

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Speaker 2: he's damn he is. Every time I look over, Mallakin's

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Speaker 2: doing something brutal to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also this is brutal by the way, Malkins's

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Speaker 2: Now a yellow card from the referee against.

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Speaker 1: I'm exactly sure how one uses it? Very specific. Oh

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Speaker 2: What do you say now, bro?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a He's a beast. He's an absolute beast.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five years of age, that's not old. He's athletic,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well thirty five did not know that somewhat new

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Speaker 2: Buller are hugging. Look like Argent kind of. I don't

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Speaker 2: his head and almost complicit with the stoppage. Would you

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Speaker 1: and then if they subsequently broke that, you would give

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm no better than flipping a coin, and you're

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Speaker 2: Well, we go head to head with five picks, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll stay you. I think I have UFC for

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Speaker 2: minus seven hundred person as a favorite, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's like what I bet on some

432
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Speaker 1: of the fights that I'm forced to make calls on

433
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Speaker 1: were it not for this program, No, I would not.

434
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Speaker 1: I mean, there are certain ones I would avoid. But

435
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 1: in this particular case, I'm gonna give a nod to

436
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 1: Neil Magni now not a huge favorite minus one seventy

437
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 1: to a plus one forty five. Philip Row dude Rose

438
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 1: a beast, I really, I mean these two guys are

439
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 1: very much cut from the same kind of cloth, anytime

440
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: anywhere kind of guys, well rounded, not afraid of challenge,

441
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 1: not afraid of uphill fights, not afraid of doing hard work.

442
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: You gotta like both of them. I just feel like Magni,

443
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: even though he's older and longer in the tooth and

444
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 1: a little bit more damage at this point, obviously, I

445
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: still think he's got just a few more ways to win.

446
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a little bit better about mixing

447
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 1: up the weapons in terms of especially through the clinch.

448
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: He's good about finding it, he's good about getting to

449
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: different places from it. So close contest, But I'm gonna

450
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 1: go with Neil Magni on this one.

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Speaker 2: That'll be the featured preliminary about airing live on ESPN

452
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: before the main card on ABC. Good chance from Magni

453
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Speaker 2: to bounce back. He does kind of draw that line

454
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Speaker 2: in the sand as the elite gig keeper. Luke, if

455
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Speaker 2: you're of that ilk, you'll find a way to get

456
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Speaker 2: past him. If you're not, I like this pick by you.

457
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on that undercart of the UFC for

458
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Speaker 2: my favorite and I know you believe the trousers are

459
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: off for this matchup, which is again is just such

460
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Speaker 2: a despicable thing to say publicly hosting a world renowned

461
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Speaker 2: MBA and MMA show, but ta NBA show. Tabitha Ricci

462
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Speaker 2: aka Baby shark. Luke is a minus one thirty five

463
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Speaker 2: betting favorite against Jillian Robertson. The only loss we've seen

464
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Speaker 2: of Ricci has been that stoppage to minol Ferro, who

465
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Speaker 2: will be having some big breaking news in this show

466
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Speaker 2: to be talking about her soon enough. But that is

467
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Speaker 2: certainly of the elite class. Since then, Luke, she's put

468
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Speaker 2: it back together, hard worker. I don't necessarily see that

469
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Speaker 2: thing yet. That's screaming title contender, future champion, but workman

470
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Speaker 2: like aggressive. You see the ground talents right there, and

471
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Speaker 2: Jillian Robertson Luke consistently is a tough out. But does

472
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Speaker 2: Luke does lose when she steps up in class? Odds

473
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Speaker 2: are closer, you get Why give me the minus one

474
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Speaker 2: thirty five Ricci? Though? I believe she's a better talent

475
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: and that will be the difference in this inevitable three

476
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Speaker 2: round fight that goes the distance.

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough? So where am I with that? Now?

478
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Speaker 2: Over under underdog category three, Luke, what do you got ah?

479
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Speaker 1: Yes, underdog? You're right all right for this one too.

480
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Speaker 1: These are tough, man, These are tough. I haven't even

481
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Speaker 1: looked at what you're put picking yet. So for this one,

482
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Speaker 1: I picked the fight. I selected the fight between Brendan

483
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Speaker 1: Allen and Bruno Silva. Brendan Allen sits at minus two hundred,

484
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: Bruno Silva at plus one seventy, So because he's the underdog,

485
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Speaker 1: I'm obviously giving away my pick. I'm gonna go with

486
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Speaker 1: Bruno Silva here. Now you know this is a tough one.

487
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Speaker 1: I'm sort of tasked with finding, like, which underdog do

488
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Speaker 1: you think has the best chance of upsetting the Apple card?

489
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Speaker 1: And Brendan Allen has looked really good of late, actually

490
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Speaker 1: very surprised, not very surprisingly, but there was a couple

491
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Speaker 1: times we get hiccups in his career and I didn't

492
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Speaker 1: know if he was gonna turn a corner. But he's

493
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Speaker 1: on a massive wind streak right beating Sam Alvi, Jacob Malcoun,

494
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Speaker 1: then Christoph Jocko, and then more recently Andre Moonize he's

495
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Speaker 1: submitted Andrew in the third like he's really coming around. So, like,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, he deserves to be the favorite here. But

497
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Speaker 1: Bruno Silva, I thought over I should say, was under

498
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Speaker 1: heralded for how well he did against Paeda, standing I

499
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: think his aggression in general will benefit him here. Brendan

500
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Speaker 1: Allan still a little bit hittable, especially early, and Bruno

501
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: Silva a little bit more willing to mix things up

502
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Speaker 1: in like transition positions where he doesn't get into too

503
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: much trouble and he's still throwing strikes the whole time,

504
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: so he can be worn down here. I think Alan

505
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: is the better grappler of the two, but I'm gonna

506
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Speaker 1: take a bit of a chance on Bruno Silva. We

507
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: might be able to create some chaos and get some

508
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Speaker 1: stuff done.

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Speaker 2: Tuki would tell you, Luke, we don't typically talk about Bruno,

510
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Speaker 2: but we will in this case. Say, Luke, will you

511
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Speaker 2: ever be chasing This is a serious question, full respect.

512
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Speaker 2: Will you ever be chasing Columbian citizenship in your life?

513
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Speaker 2: Does that mean something?

514
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Speaker 1: It is possible if we decide to retire there, but

515
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Speaker 1: short of that, no.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay. It's a beautiful culture, Luke, that you've brought

517
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Speaker 2: in as your own. It makes me jealous, Luke, because

518
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: you know I am a man of many cultures, yet

519
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: not really connected to any of them. You know what

520
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

521
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm not Hispanic either. As much as I

522
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: might try to pretend, I wasn't sure that. Yeah, yeah,

523
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: what I'm just saying, like I mean, they don't you

524
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: know how much they accept me. I don't know they

525
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Speaker 1: accept my money. Yeah, beyond that, just my family.

526
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Speaker 2: We're just a big gringo. They can't take down with

527
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Speaker 2: a double legs, so they put up right, you know

528
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Speaker 2: what I mean? That's there. My underdog will stay on

529
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Speaker 2: the UFC card, Luke, I laid this out on Wednesday,

530
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Speaker 2: but Macy Barbara at plus seventy is screaming at me, Amanda.

531
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Speaker 2: Heboss is a tough out. This fight will likely go

532
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Speaker 2: the distance and really could be a split majority of

533
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: decision based on whose activity, whose solid work you feel

534
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: is better. But even if you believe Hebos is the

535
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: better fighter now, which I can be talked into that,

536
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: I just still think Barbara has the higher ceiling. And

537
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: she's still in that weird process of trying to find

538
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Speaker 2: the balance across the board and figure out really what

539
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Speaker 2: fighter she is and who she is. She's still only

540
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Speaker 2: twenty five. I can't get over the will, the want

541
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Speaker 2: that she brings. I know, Luke, she annoys people by

542
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: the thing she says and how she carries herself, but

543
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Speaker 2: she does come to fight. This will be a tough

544
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: matchup going to be a close fight. I think she

545
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Speaker 2: gets the nod, though her aggression is gonna be the

546
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: difference ultimately here, Luke, I don't think either one will

547
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: do enough to truly stand out, but her on this trajectory,

548
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Speaker 2: She's gonna have to show us a lot more than

549
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: she has of late, but I think she can get

550
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Speaker 2: it done. I'll take her on the plus money there

551
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: and I'll you know, I'll continue to claw closer to

552
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: taking you down and okay, bet through.

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00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: Women, through women, Luke, pants around your ankles and all.

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Speaker 1: Okay for are over under BC speaking of the old

555
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: BC pants less favorite. I'm gonna go this fight. I'm

556
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: gonna say this fight is gonna go the distance. I'm

557
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna take the over on this one. Same fight Amanda

558
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: Hebos versus Macy Barber. For the reasons you kind of stated,

559
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: it's a there's a lot of good reason. There's a

560
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: lot of reasons to like either person in this case,

561
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Speaker 1: I think he Bus is the slight of favorite to

562
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: your point about picking Macy Barber, but I just feel

563
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: like Barber is even if she if she wins, I

564
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: don't feel like he Bus is gonna get super overwhelmed,

565
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: and if she loses Barber, I think she's gonna make it.

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00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: In other ways, I just feel like she's gonna make

567
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: it a grinding affair, like, for example, he Boss got

568
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: lit up on the feet by Marina Hadriguez but hung

569
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: on surprisingly long given how bad she was getting tuned up,

570
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: And I just don't think Barbara can do that to

571
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: her now. On the ground. Maybe she could, but he

572
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: Boss is actually pretty good on the ground as well,

573
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: and so I just feel like she might be able

574
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Speaker 1: to get top position, control her whatever in other ways.

575
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Speaker 1: Other Wards, I just feel like these two are paired

576
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: to get a clear answer about who is better than

577
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Speaker 1: the other, but not so clear to like run into

578
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: a finish. Give me the over on this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that seems like you going to the low

580
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: hanging fruit to try to pad your lead. Look, but

581
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Speaker 2: I'll accept it here.

582
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Speaker 1: My older you need to do that. You need to

583
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: do that, or you're gonna come on tour with me

584
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: to go see Cannibal Corps.

585
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: But I'm willing to take chances. Actually, you you for first,

586
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: you submitted your picks before mine, and we did have

587
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: some similar ones, so I had to switch it out.

588
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: At the end you have the champion's advantage. We'll get

589
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: into this fight in the meaning of it later, but

590
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: the designed boxing man event my over under. I'm gonna

591
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: go Edgar Balanga. Jason Quigley will not go the distance.

592
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: You better hope fights in a row for Berlanga have

593
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: gone the distance, which has been the big shocker after

594
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: sixteen straight first round KOs. But Luke, as much as

595
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: I love Jason Quigley, been covering him for years, good

596
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: kid out of Ireland, he's up at a higher way class.

597
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: When he steps up, he gets stopped by the likes

598
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: of Triano Johnson and Demetrius Andreid. Berlanka needs a big comeback.

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00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: We'll probably lay that out more why when we get

600
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: to the boxing preview, But I'm gonna take the under here.

601
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: Not going the distance for Edgar Burlango.

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00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: There you go, very good, all right, last, but not

603
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: least for me. For Ko or sub I just don't

604
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: see how Austin Lane versus Justin Tafa doesn't end in Ko,

605
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: by the way, for folks who don't remember, Austin Lane

606
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: was the guy who got like basically one punch Ko

607
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: by Greg Hardy on Contender Series Low many years ago.

608
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting that he has now found

609
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: his way to the UFC while Greg Hardy is doing

610
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck Greg Hardy is doing. So interesting change

611
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: of fortunes there. But more to the point, you know,

612
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: he is probably gonna try and wrestle Tafa a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I just feel like even if he's either he's

614
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: not gonna be successful in that, he's gonna get wiped

615
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: out because top fucking can can thump, or he will

616
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: be successful in that and Tafa will end up just

617
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: kind of collapsing without much resistance on the ground. So like,

618
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 1: either way, I just don't see how this one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe guess I suppose a sub could happen,

620
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: but I just feel like two heavyweights, one of them

621
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: especially with big power, the other one, you know, a

622
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: good athlete that seems like a KO recipe. But I

623
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: guess we'll see.

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00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: Well, dude, Austin Lane Is, to your point, is six

625
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: to oh in his last six all by finish, five

626
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: by knockout, the most recent one coming in the Dana

627
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: White Contender series, which was his comeback from that original

628
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: DWCS lost to Greg Hardy that you mentioned. This will

629
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: be his official UFC debut. Yeah, they're gonna bang Luke,

630
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: and they don't have the stamina to go fifteen minutes anyway.

631
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: So that's what you're gonna get out of their strong

632
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: pick in my ko or sub I'm gonna stay on

633
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: that UFC card. How about Randy Brown versus Wellington Termin

634
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the submission here. So Randy Brown

635
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: is probably the better fighter of the two. Look, we

636
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: Longton termin gets the association by Glover to share our

637
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: trains at Connecticut Trains hard. Uh, but he does. He

638
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: really has packaged as many wins as losses. In recent memory.

639
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: Randy Brown has either been submitted or won by submission

640
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: in three of his last seven. We know Terman's skills

641
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: are on the ground. Give me a sneaky subwin either

642
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: way here to come out with the w all right,

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00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: that's what I got for you, Luke. That's what I

644
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Speaker 2: bring to this. That's the passion, right, that's yeah, that's

645
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: that's the the Uh okay, okay, bet you will find out. Look,

646
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: we got five topics for you. We got some dead wrongs,

647
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: we got a great show that only rolls on right now.

648
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: But topic number one kind of slid in late yesterday,

649
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: according to reporting from ESPN's Mike Coppinger and seemingly confirmed

650
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: by Canelo Alvarez in a somewhat cryptic Instagram post. Here's

651
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: the deal. All signs pointing to Canelo Alvarez, your undisputed

652
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: super middleweight champion, signing a three fight deal with PBC

653
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: and Al Hayman to not only return potentially here to

654
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: Showtime pay per view, but to do so September Mexican

655
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Independence Day weekend in Las Vegas against two against Jermal Charlow,

656
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: which would be a Showtime pay per view event and

657
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: would put Canelo back on this side of the street

658
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: for future fights with name your super middleweight right from

659
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: Morel de Benavidez to Andreid to so many more. Luke Thomas,

660
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: how surprised are you not that the Charlo fight could

661
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: be next? We knew, we heard the whispers, but that

662
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: after trying to get Badu Jack, trying to get Dmitri

663
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Bvall and coming up short on his own terms, that

664
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: Big Red went back to Uncle Al Hayman and signed

665
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: the deal for three fights. This is a power move

666
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: here in the boxing landscape.

667
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just feel like Canelo's at the

668
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: place not only is he able to pick and choose

669
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: which promoter he wants to go to, but I just

670
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: think he ran out. Uh Listen, do I think he

671
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: is done fighting with Eddie Hearn? No, I don't think

672
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: that at all. I don't think that. I mean, maybe

673
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: it's possible, but I mean I just mean to say

674
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Canelo is a businessman. I don't think he's got a

675
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: bad relationship with Matt Rum or Eddie Hern And when

676
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: he left after defeating Caleb Plant to go back to

677
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: his own to fight Bivoll, I don't think he had

678
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: a bad relationship with al him and clearly he didn't.

679
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a bad relationship with Steven Espinoza or Showtime.

680
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: He maintains these friendly relationships less so with Golden Boy,

681
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: but okay with basically where with the players that he

682
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: works with, and he just kind of alternates between what

683
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: seems like the best fit at the current time. And

684
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: I think the Bivol thing wasn't going to work out.

685
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: The Jack thing. They were asking too much. Where was

686
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: he going to get a series of matchups that made

687
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: a lot of sense for him where he could still

688
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: make some good money and the fights people would care

689
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: about relevant blah blah blah, and nothing is ever a

690
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: perfect fit, but this is a pretty good fit. People

691
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: are like, I've seen people down on this Charlo fight

692
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't understand that at all. After

693
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: the way Canelo looked against Ryder, Why would you guess

694
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Charlo has been off for two years? Okay, and I

695
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: don't think his high water mark is as high as Canelos,

696
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of reasons to think that one

697
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: could be competitive. More to the point, fucking hello. If

698
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: it's a three fight deal, puts him in the same

699
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: space to fight either David Morrell Junior or David Benavitez

700
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: at some point down the line, and both of those

701
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: in particular, the David Benavidez fight is literally one of

702
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: the biggest fights you can make in all of boxing.

703
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: Now you might be asking why didn't they make that first. Well,

704
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: if they make it first, and it could be big,

705
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: you still have two more fights, and if he loses,

706
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: it kind of ruins the rest of the financial possibility there.

707
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he'll fight David Benavidez. Certainly

708
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: he's not gonna fight him in September. I don't know

709
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: if he'll fight him on the second fight of that

710
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: deal either, probably closer to the third. Nevertheless, you have

711
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: let's see Morrell Junior, you have Charlo, you have David Benavidez.

712
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: There's probably some other fights you can make. How about

713
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: Errol Spence He de beatris Andreid. Errol Spence going up

714
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: away class with people what people are talking about now

715
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: after obviously he fights Bud Crawford, Like, I actually get it,

716
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: this is the best place for him to get some fights,

717
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: to get right a little bit, and then to make

718
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: some of the biggest ones he can still possibly make

719
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: it this stage of his career. It makes all the

720
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: sense in the world now.

721
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: I don't expect him to cut down to one sixty,

722
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: but I do think there is to what you tease

723
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: there after getting through this super middleweight gauntlet win or lose,

724
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: we kind of have a de facto unofficial tournament now.

725
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: The idea of catchweight fights against stars like Crawford, Spence,

726
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: Jermel Charlow, should they move up, you know, dramatically higher

727
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: and weight, which a lot of them have teased. That's

728
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: also big deal for an aging fighter. The question will

729
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: be Luke Is I mean he's still so young? What

730
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: is he thirty two to thirty three? But the fact

731
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: that Canelo has looked as if he's slowing down, he's

732
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: turn pro at fifteen, He's got sixty pro fights, Like,

733
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: is this a potential for a revival of him facing

734
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: very tough matchups at one sixty eight to hold down

735
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: and prove it to us the division that he holds

736
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: all four titles. I like these matchups for him so

737
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: much better than going up and even it's like it's weird,

738
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: it's staring to be great, challenging either Bevall for the

739
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: light heavyweight title or Badu Jack for the cruiserweight under

740
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: any weight catchweight. Is it ideal to try to make

741
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: Jack come down twenty No, it's not. There's some elements

742
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: of a list leverage and and start them there. Yeah,

743
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: I get it. We don't love that, but look this

744
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: may and them not have been Canelo's first choice to

745
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: come to this side, but boxing kind of worked it

746
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: out for him with those other two guys, Jack and

747
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: Bevall saying look, you know I want to fight you,

748
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: but no, not on your terms. You don't have the

749
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: full leverage right now that maybe you once had or

750
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: that you need in this situation. But look, Luke, that

751
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: worked for us. You have to write now as a

752
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: boxing fan, be jumping out of your underwear on a

753
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: regular basis, probably because you're you know, predestined determined to

754
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: do that. Anyway, because to be a consistent boxing fan, Luke,

755
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: you gotta be a little crazy. You gotta be a

756
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: little willing to get get it down under, if you

757
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But also this year we have

758
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: had super Fight up to super Fight, I mean, we

759
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: haven't gotten Usik versus Fury, which is one we really deserve.

760
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: We might actually get that later in the year in

761
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. We'll talk about that later in the show.

762
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: But we have gotten everything you could have wanted. They

763
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: finally made Spence Crawford, Ryan Garcia jumped across the street.

764
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: We saw Haini Loma. We're getting fult in a new way.

765
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: We're getting all of these things lined up. Morale versus

766
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 2: Benavida is in like a semi final. Now Charlo versus Canelo,

767
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 2: which like that has the potential to be a big

768
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: deal commercially. Charlo's undefeated. They have separate fan bases like

769
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 2: this is great, this is great for boxing, and had

770
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: Canelo rematch bevault under any circumstance, yes, you would have

771
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: had people saying and maybe we would have teased it

772
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: to you're kind of duck in Benevitez. But I still

773
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: don't think you could have held that against him because

774
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: he was trying to dramatically be so great. Well, he

775
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: tried and came up empty in getting it under his terms.

776
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm giving Big Red credit for coming back to the table.

777
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's being paid handsomely, you know, in the

778
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: promises from Al Hayman to headline these cards, But in

779
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 2: this division he has nothing but big fights potentially against

780
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: ahead of him, you know. I mean, look, would you

781
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: hate a rematch against Caleb Plane at some point? I

782
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: don't think you'd hate that, right if that's the worst

783
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: matchup we can make here among these big one sixty

784
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: eight names, Like, I'm really excited at what this could bring,

785
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: and I think ultimately, as you laid out, what it

786
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: will most likely bring is whether it's Benavidez or not,

787
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: that true fight to determine who's the best super middleweight

788
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: in the world. Now, when Canelo unified the belts, became

789
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: the underspeeded champion. He he already proved that. He went

790
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: through the champions. He went through Kellum Smith, went through

791
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant, went through Billy Joe Saunders. But a new

792
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: guard has arrived, a new class at one sixty eight.

793
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: It makes it arguably the sport's best and most exciting division.

794
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: And now you've got Canelo back politically business wise, on

795
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: the side of the street that he would need to

796
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 2: be to make the fights we want to see. Like, look,

797
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: can I I mean, I get like Dana spends a

798
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: lot of time shitting on boxing, and I never complain

799
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: or come back because, like Dana knows, he's a boxing

800
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: guy like me from the beginning, right, he knows boxing

801
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: shoots itself in the in the foot a lot. But

802
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: boxing hasn't been doing that this year all that much,

803
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: outside of maybe Fury extending the usk, you know, set up.

804
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: I think we have reason to be really happy. The

805
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: last two years in boxing have been great. This year

806
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: this better.

807
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about this a little bit later in

808
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: fight announcements, but in general, this has been an extremely

809
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: strong and really great year for boxing. The only real

810
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: noteworthy exceptions you kind of indicated it was on the

811
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: heavyweight side. The heavyweight side has been a bit of

812
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: a you know, they haven't kept up with the rest

813
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: of the party, let's just put it that way. But

814
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: in general, we're getting so many interesting, fun, daring matchups.

815
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: And again, you know, there's a question about whether Canelo

816
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: versus Charlo is exactly daring in that way. But the

817
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: PBC deal to me inevitably leads him to a path

818
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: with Benavidez or Morell, depending whoever comes out the victor.

819
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: If that fight has actually ended up being made. You know,

820
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: that is a huge, massive, I mean generational level kind

821
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: of fight in terms of what it means for the

822
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: future of that division as well as some of the

823
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: stars in the sport. But Canela Avarez, dude, he's still

824
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: the biggest draw in the sport. This is the guy

825
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: that can you know that that is, he is the attraction.

826
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: He gets to go where he wants. I just think

827
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: this PBC deal, of all the places he could have gone,

828
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: this one sets him up. But I think for the

829
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: right next stage in his career. Yeah, I love that.

830
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm so glad he made this call.

831
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: Could you cynically say, oh, BCNLT. You're just gonna get

832
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: super super big boners because there's the potential you guys

833
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: get to work those fight we can.

834
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course, of course.

835
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: We're excited about that. But if he was going to

836
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: top rank to a division where top rank had all

837
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: of the big names on ESPN, we'd be just as

838
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: excited to see boxing come together and make these fights.

839
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: I mean, damn, I don't want to get ahead of myself,

840
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: but you know I got a boxing hart on from

841
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: here to hand over, Luke, I look like McGregor at

842
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: the at the Mayweather Way, and at the moment, I mean.

843
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: This is good. This good shit.

844
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, we have slowly turned some MMA fans who

845
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: never would have tried boxing, and we're trying to pick

846
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: out No, don't worry about most of the noise. Worry

847
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: about these fights and they've come in. Luke. Also, you

848
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: people are accusing you of liking boxing more than you

849
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: like MMA lately, but the sport is giving you.

850
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: Actually, that's actually, that's actually quite true. That's a fair accusation.

851
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: MMA is just not that much fun for me these days.

852
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: Boxing is so oh wow.

853
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: I hope that doesn't lead in a downturn in viewership, Luke,

854
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: You're still the best MBA analyst they got out there.

855
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: Oh no, I still watch the fights. But I mean,

856
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here and be lying if I'm

857
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: telling you, like, I still like MMA more overall, But

858
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: like what am I having more fun watching? I'm having

859
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 1: more fun watching boxing, just flat out all right.

860
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk. Still coming up in the show about

861
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: the return of Rosenami unis whether the billionaires no not

862
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: Trump versus McMahon, whether the billionaires will square off in

863
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: the cage. But Luke, topic two takes us to the

864
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: weekend boxing preview, and we got an interesting one here.

865
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: We're going to Minneapolis, the home of so much fanfare,

866
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: so much lifeblood in the sport of boxing. Surprisingly, Showtime

867
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: Boxing Championship Tripleheader goes down Saturday evening. In the main event,

868
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: how about this WBC interim middleweight title. Why because Jamal Charlo,

869
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: the full champion, has not fought in two years and

870
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: looks like he's heading up to Canelo. Well, how about

871
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: Carlos Adamis defending that strap against former unified Junior middleweight

872
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: world champion Julian Williams Now Luke, there's reasons to believe

873
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: or to be somewhat nervous. Does this play out one

874
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: sided only based on Julian Williams's recent history, But I

875
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: gotta throw to this face off they had at the

876
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: press conference on Wednesday.

877
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: He was spicy.

878
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard the words between them,

879
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: the words said by Jay Rock, but he is coming

880
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: on and this turned out to be more intense than

881
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: I think a damis thought than I think a lot

882
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: of us. Does that play into a close fight, I'm

883
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: not sure, but here's the details you need to know.

884
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: Williams is thirty three years old, beat Jarrett Hurd for

885
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: all for three one fifty four titles in twenty nineteen.

886
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: Hasn't looked great since. Then got knocked out by Banana

887
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: Rosario to lose the title, lost a decision to twelve

888
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: andth floor of Vladimir Hernandez. Then we saw him move

889
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: up to middleweight, Luke, we called it on a prelimb

890
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: when he took on journeyman Rolando Mancia in his one

891
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: sixty debut. He won handily, but at thirty three there

892
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: were a lot of people saying, is you know, is

893
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: it passed him? Is it longer, Luke, We all doubted

894
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: Jay Rock when he got knocked out by Charlo by

895
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: one punch and said he's done, he'll never win a title.

896
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: At one fifty I remember specifically the build to the

897
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: Jared Herd fight where everybody had Jared heard winning by

898
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: knockout and Jay Rock and bred Mean Edwards's trainer went

899
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: out there and pulled it off. Here's the quotes from

900
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Williams this week. He says, I watched tape and Adamis

901
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: is not unbeatable. He's a good fighter, but I've seen

902
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: him down before, I've seen him hurt. He's no boogeyman.

903
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: This fight can definitely rejuvenate my career. I don't think

904
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: people fear him yet. He only hit the scene last year.

905
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: All that about him being avoided is just talk, Luke Thomas,

906
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 2: is there reason to hold back some optimism that Jay

907
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: Rock can author yet another not resurrection but retooling. Here

908
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: in a very smart fighter and good boxer who's not

909
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: afraid to mix it up when he needs to either.

910
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about this one thirty three.

911
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: You're right, and here's the thing Julian Williams got famous

912
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: from a post fight speech where he implored everyone to

913
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: stop counting fighters out because they had losses. Yeah, and

914
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: then here we are being like, yeah, he's had some losses,

915
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: let's count him out. So you know, I'm a little

916
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: bit I'm a little bit nervous about some of this,

917
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: but in general not really like to your point. We

918
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: called his last fight where he was trying to get

919
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: right for this weight class and you know, move into

920
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: new territory. We did a pre fight interview with him,

921
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: and he seems really spirited. He see like when you

922
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: see him at the press conference when you talk to him,

923
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: he's got the energy that you want, that kind of

924
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, bomb that could be set off at any

925
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: kind of moment kind of thing. But then when you

926
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: see him in there, he is very calculated and he

927
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: is skilled. B See I did, I did. We did

928
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: see skills, but he just didn't seem to quite have

929
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: the same verve, quite the same movement, the same pop,

930
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: the same ability to just do the things he was

931
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: doing against you know, a guy like Jared Hurd, which

932
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: what was that fight twenty nineteen. I mean it's been

933
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: a while, right, four years since then, so lootle.

934
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: Key question in this in this pocket that you're talking about,

935
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 2: he's not getting up for Mancia in a comeback fight

936
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: at one sixty and an undercart on the same level

937
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: as a main event for an interim title, right, I mean,

938
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: we have to expect that we're gonna see as sharp

939
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: and tough a version of him as he can produce.

940
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: Right now.

941
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. And

942
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: also I remember in real time there were folks being like,

943
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: well for the last fight, well, Jay Rock didn't look great,

944
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: but what he needed to do was just get a win.

945
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: What he needed to do was just cross that line

946
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: to get the monkey off of his back to you know,

947
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: that kind of a thing where it was just almost

948
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: procedural rather than showcase. Okay, fair enough, that's fine. Nevertheless,

949
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: here's the problem. Even if he's really really close to

950
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: what he was around twenty nineteen, he's up aweight class

951
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: with a very very punishing puncher here in Carlos Adamis

952
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: Adamis is he's had his own issues like what was

953
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: the patrick to cherify where he didn't look great, but

954
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: since then has looked reborn, and I think he's faced

955
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: all different kinds of guys at this point pressure fighters

956
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: themselves or guys who lay back or whatever, other slicksters.

957
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: I think he is the best he's ever been in

958
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: his career. I think he's a dynamic puncher. I think

959
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: he's the bigger puncher of the two. Williams not slow,

960
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: but I think relatively speaking, is not going to be

961
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: that hard to find. I just feel like over time,

962
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe Williams puts up a decent performance PCEE. It's just

963
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: not he has to look radically different than he looked

964
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: in his last fight for him to have a shot.

965
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: What he does great is for being a boxer punch.

966
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 2: He's kind of you know, he's a mix of both.

967
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: He's really smart though, I mean the game plan they

968
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: put out against Jared Hurd, although you know you can

969
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 2: argue looking back, Jared Hurd was never overly polished or technical.

970
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: It was more about will and overwhelming you. But you know,

971
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: he's such a smart fighter that just the way he

972
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: was talking. If you go back and watch the press

973
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: conference this week, I mean he was talking not shit,

974
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: but just aggressively like Adams, You're not that dude, Like

975
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: you're not that scary. I've seen it, and so I

976
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: just wonder. I mean, that shows you that the confidence

977
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: is there. Can he pull it off? But to all

978
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: your point on Adamis and where he's at twenty nine

979
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: years old, part of this Dominican uprising, of this new

980
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: wave of world champions from the island. Bob Santos the trainer,

981
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: he's a trainer. A lot of these guys play, all

982
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: these guys that are making noise. But Luke sends that

983
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: close decision lost to Patrick to Sheriff for a junior

984
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: middleweight title. Four years ago. We've seen Adamis go four

985
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: and oh with three KOs. The only fighter he didn't

986
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: get a KO was maybe his best win, a majority

987
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 2: decision win over Sergei Derevinchenko, who just just gave hell

988
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: to Moongia. So you know that win is quality. That

989
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: was a few years back. But that knockout in the

990
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: third round against Juan Messius Montiel, who himself was fresh

991
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: off of pushing Jamal Charlo the twelve round distance and

992
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: really making us question if Jamal Charlo was slipping or

993
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: was off that night, whether you think Montiel is there

994
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: to be hit or not. And he is aggressive fighter

995
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: who stands in the pocket. Dude, to Damis with that

996
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: south Past stance. This is different than the dude who

997
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: came up as a junior middleweight with top rank. He's aggressive,

998
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: he's cocky as shit, and he goes after it with

999
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: that sniping style. His quotes this week were interesting. He

1000
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: said Jay Rock is a bait on a hook, ready

1001
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: to get devoured by this big fish. He should know

1002
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: that he's in a bad spot right now. I can

1003
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: feel him shaking. If you're hesitant, it's because you don't

1004
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: know what you're getting into. I want him to tell

1005
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: us how he really feels after this fight. We know

1006
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: Adamas is coming on. Luke. He's got He's feeling himself.

1007
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: He's cocky, he wants Charlie, he wants all the big names.

1008
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: This does give him a showcase if the odds are right,

1009
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: if everything about where they're at is true, to come

1010
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: in there and make some serious noise. I just don't

1011
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be easy at the end of the day,

1012
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: because Jay Rock's got those extra gears that maybe I

1013
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe he's hiding, or maybe he needs to

1014
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: be pushed against the wall to bring it out. He's

1015
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: brought it out before. Let's see if he can do

1016
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: it again. A very good matchup here, Colemane, we are

1017
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: we do have to focus on this. Ericson Lubin, who

1018
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: was once a you know, a big time contender at

1019
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: one fifty four. He hasn't fought since twenty twenty two's

1020
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: Fight of the Year against Sebastian Fondora Luke where his

1021
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: face will really look like hamburger afterwards when they both

1022
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: knocked each other down. It was a classic fight. Still

1023
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: some questions after two big knockouts and his only defeats

1024
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: here of really where the hammer Erickson Luben is at

1025
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: Luis Cuba Arius is his opponent, but Luke Arius dropped

1026
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: a decision two fights ago to Vaughan Alexander, the brother

1027
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: of Devon, who was in prison until he was like forty.

1028
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: That's not a good sign either. We'll see if Lubin

1029
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: can bounce back. Do you feel like Lubin is coming

1030
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: or going right now? At one four.

1031
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: H I think okay, I was ready to believe in

1032
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: the comeback before the Fundora fight and now, and he

1033
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: was winning that Fundora fight, but he was in in

1034
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: law in long swaths of it, right, Yeah, But he

1035
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't know after this contest and the way his

1036
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: face got smolen, how his corner had to throw the towel,

1037
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is the get right fight.

1038
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: This is the one where he gets back against a

1039
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: quality opposition. And then he didn't get it done. And

1040
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: so now I am still a believer in what shows

1041
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 1: up on the tape, like he is a quality guy.

1042
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know if from the first biting bell

1043
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: to the last one by Horker, by Crook, if he's

1044
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: really able to be a championship level fighter at this

1045
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: at this weight class or this opportunity in this time

1046
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: in his career.

1047
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: I mean, he could box, he could punch, but he

1048
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: doesn't put it together enough against these other elites. And

1049
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: I think he does have at this point a somewhat

1050
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: suspect chin after we've seen him get get handled here

1051
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: at the highest level against these guys. But we'll find

1052
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: out on his comeback. Luc A reminder that you and

1053
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: I will be calling a triple header Saturday from MC

1054
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 2: Studios in New Jersey of the Showtime Boxing Countdown show

1055
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: leading up to this triple header, and we've got former

1056
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: super middleweight champion Caleb Truax we've got the return of

1057
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: Druwyn and Kajas. And how about the brother of Joey Spencer?

1058
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: Is it Mikkel or Michael Spencer? Iway forget how you

1059
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: pronounce that, but we'll be calling that triple header on

1060
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: Saturday early. Was that six thirty ish?

1061
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: I know six thirty in the east.

1062
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: There you go right there quickly. Luke also in the

1063
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: box this weekend Madison Square Garden Theater in New York.

1064
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: Edgar Burlanga is back. So we talked about that. I

1065
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: like him by a knockout here against Jason Quigley on

1066
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: his own, but let's also lay out what this fight

1067
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: really means to Burlanga twenty six and oh, I'm sorry,

1068
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: twenty six years old. He's twenty and oh with sixteen KOs,

1069
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: but all sixteen came in succession to start his career.

1070
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 2: In the first round, he became Fat Joe's best friend.

1071
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: He was driving fast cars. He looked like the next

1072
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: big Puerto Rican star. Raised in New York City, representing

1073
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: the island. But Luke the last four fights, one in

1074
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 2: which he got dropped by Marcelo Casras, you would would

1075
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: how would you describe it? He hasn't looked great or outright,

1076
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: he's looked ordinary.

1077
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: He looked amazing, as you indicated, through sixteen fights, and

1078
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: then he just couldn't get it done. Now. Part of

1079
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: that he had an injury where he had a biceps

1080
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: separation where he had to get surgery for that after

1081
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: the fact, and he kind of fought through it. There's

1082
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: been fights where he I forget who he fought BC,

1083
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: where he like roughed him up, but he couldn't put

1084
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: him away. I forget the his name, but he just

1085
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: hasn't exactly been the same. And then the other part

1086
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: was this is his first fight with match Room after

1087
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: falling out with Top Rank. Top Rank thought they had

1088
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: the next big Puerto Rican star and then they basically

1089
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I think we've seen enough. We don't

1090
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: really want to invest anymore. And so this is a

1091
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: huge fight.

1092
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: Well let's talk about that, because that's a big part

1093
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: of why this fight matters more than it should of

1094
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: what it says on paper. I think it's a good fight,

1095
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: but I do think you're going to see a gap

1096
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: if if if the if he shows up, if Berlanga

1097
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: shows up and reminds you of the old one, you're

1098
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: gonna see a gap in talent, but that's what this

1099
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: is set up for. But luke the fights most recently,

1100
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: he did not look good against Steve Rowles and going

1101
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: the distance, and it was against Romer Alexis Angulo, you know,

1102
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: like a tough out at this weight class that he

1103
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: couldn't put away, and just I don't know, man, everything

1104
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: that was dynamic about that come up just hasn't been there.

1105
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: So you're asking yourself, is it a mental blockage? Is

1106
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: it when you write when he's right risen in competition,

1107
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: he just when it's not easy for him like it

1108
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: used to be? Is he still that guy? Or I

1109
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: think you can ask yourselves you know, was he riding

1110
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: too high in his own headlines? He seems to have

1111
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: been fairly honest in this build about mentally. I was off.

1112
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: I was depressed, Like you know, I like when guys

1113
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: admit that because it does help you explain some of

1114
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: the ups and downs. But look, we gotta be honest here.

1115
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: He didn't get like a big time arrest. This wasn't

1116
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 2: like the Felix Verdejo situation where top rank was just like, yeah, man,

1117
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: I can't believe this guy didn't become what he was

1118
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: promised to be out of Puerto Rico, but we got

1119
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: to wash our hands clean. He's still unbeaten, still ridiculously young,

1120
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 2: and was still winning. If Top Rank is saying well

1121
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: mutually part ways after that, that's got a scream that

1122
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: there's big time foundational issues behind the scenes, right that

1123
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: has to.

1124
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I mean, Top Rank usually is sort

1125
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: of from what I understand good at at talent evaluation,

1126
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: and I think for them to punt is a big deal.

1127
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: Now he appeared to have like renewed his focus through

1128
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: all of these changes in his career, and like, so

1129
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: he's really walking into this one knowing. I mean, here's

1130
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: the other part too. B see were talked about Canelo

1131
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: to open the show or close to it. Berloga kind

1132
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: of signed with match Room in part because I think

1133
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: things with Top Rank didn't work out, but also because

1134
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: Canelo was there, and I think match Room and h

1135
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: and Desgne in general, we're like, look, there's Berloga, there's

1136
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: potentially how many moon Gia and I guess they could

1137
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: do Mungia versus Burlonga, depending on how that one goes,

1138
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico versus Mexico. That would be a big fight

1139
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: for boxing audiences. But nevertheless, he kind of was chasing

1140
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: this canelo oup thing and like everything starts with the

1141
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: quickly fight, who I think should be overwhelmed with the

1142
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: punching power of a guy like Burlonga, even if there

1143
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: are some questions about how good it actually is. But

1144
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear, like he signed with

1145
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: some people who are good at this job. They saw

1146
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: what he had and they were like, we're good, thanks,

1147
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: and they let him walk. This is Berlanga in the

1148
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: phase of his career where he is trying to show

1149
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: that they aired in their talent evaluation.

1150
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: That's why I feel like there is monster pressure on

1151
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: him to deliver, not just win, deliver the knockout started,

1152
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 2: not even start a new streak, just remind you of

1153
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: what he can do. This is, I mean, is quickly

1154
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: on the same level ultimately as Roles in Angula, who

1155
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: he just fought more or less. Look, quickly can do

1156
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: some things. But as I laid out earlier, I mean

1157
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: he went life and death with Shane Moseley Junior. It

1158
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: was an honest, strong win, but that tells you where

1159
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 2: you need to go. And this should be a knockout

1160
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: win here for Burlonga if he doesn't get it, Luke,

1161
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: I question. I mean, it's not that they look to

1162
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: cash him out at that point, but you'd probably just

1163
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: rush him into a Mongia fight after that, you know

1164
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you just try to be like

1165
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: they gotta tread carefully, Eddie Hern making a big investment

1166
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: here if it works out, if he comes out and

1167
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: wins and shows you that spirit again, that spark. He's

1168
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: a giant ticket seller. There's big things you can do.

1169
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: Still so ridiculously young. But that's why you have to

1170
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: tune in this weekend because you gotta really see every

1171
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: aspect of it mentally, physically. What is he showing you?

1172
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: Does he still have it? This is an interesting situation

1173
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: and top rank isn't just good at this, Luke. They're

1174
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: all time great. All of their matchmakers are in the

1175
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Really, it's like it's like, this is

1176
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: what they do across the board. They raised up Floyd,

1177
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: they raised up Oscar. This is what they do for them.

1178
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: For them to be like it's okay for you to

1179
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: walk is like a massive red flag, Like a huge

1180
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: red flag. So we'll see maybe they're wrong.

1181
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 2: We'll see, but yeah, topic number three, Luke, we got

1182
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: some big fight announcements and teases to talk about. How

1183
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: about this for breaking news, Like five minutes before we

1184
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: went live today, it's coming to us from MMA Junkie,

1185
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: which is reporting that Rose nama unis two time UFC

1186
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: strawweight champion get this officially planning on moving up to

1187
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five pounds and to take on

1188
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: top contender Manaul Ferreau. As we continue to sort out

1189
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: the very top of this division, which has been turned

1190
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: upside down in all the teases that are leading to

1191
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: Alexa Grosso rematching against Valentino Schiftenko even possibly Mexican Independence

1192
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: Day weekend UFC September Vegas, Luke Thomas, this is a

1193
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: big deal because Namunus is one of the pound for

1194
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 2: pound best fighters in the world and really at her best,

1195
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: one of the best of all time. But she's not

1196
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: going up in a new division. Debuting against one of

1197
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: the best in the world at won twenty five is

1198
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: a big ast deal. I guess we don't need the

1199
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: way Lead trilogy. This is a big deal. She's one

1200
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: of my favorite fighters. How much are you gonna give

1201
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: her that chance to adjust to that weight and still

1202
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: be the same fighters she's always been.

1203
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the interesting part about it. I thought

1204
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: one point fifteen was great for Rose because she's not

1205
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: super physical, but she's very technical, and so whatever trade

1206
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: off she's making physically, she's still obviously, you know, strong

1207
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: and in shape and works hard and you know, can

1208
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: can opt. You know, she's a champion in the weight class.

1209
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: Obviously she can hang. But a lot of that was

1210
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: supported by her technical sophistication and you know everything else,

1211
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: her attitude and ability to attack from the back, things

1212
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: like that. At one twenty five, I feel like she's

1213
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: giving up a little bit of that.

1214
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: Now.

1215
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: I still think she'll be technically better than a lot

1216
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: of the women at that weight class, but now there's

1217
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: like that that ten pound physicality is really gonna be

1218
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. So BC, here's what I'm thinking. I

1219
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: think she's gonna be giving up something in the strength department,

1220
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: which she already was. So you're like, well, what's the

1221
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: big difference, because she might be picking up speed, she

1222
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: might be faster naturally than some of these folks at

1223
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: one twenty five. Although that we all have. We'll have

1224
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: to see what that extra ten pounds does to her? Right?

1225
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: Did she put on an extra few pounds of muscle

1226
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: and then a little bit of fat? Was it almost

1227
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: all muscle? Was it hardly any fat? Like? What does

1228
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: it do to her speed? Was it due to her footwork?

1229
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: What does it do to all these things? There's some

1230
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: real big questions. I'm just saying the I think the

1231
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: proportions of how she is built and what she's good at,

1232
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: all of that aligned very well at one point fifteen.

1233
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm less convinced it will align itself very well at

1234
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: one twenty five. But that doesn't mean she can't beat

1235
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: men off fro. It just means I'm sort of skeptical

1236
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: that she can get a belt up there.

1237
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's the right matchup where it

1238
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 2: won't expose that gap because for oh, it isn't overly

1239
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: dominant on the ground. But what you're echoing is true.

1240
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 2: I mean at one fifteen, Rose is so much longer

1241
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: and taller, and I think that plays into her setup

1242
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: of timing and her boxing, And you know, we don't

1243
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: It's like, do we I wouldn't think knee jerk reaction

1244
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: if you said, is rosa one strike finisher, I'd be like, no,

1245
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: it's not her game yet. She's got dominant one strike

1246
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: finishes of people like Hung Wiley and Yoanna and Young Jay.

1247
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: Check her. If not one strike, then the one big

1248
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: strike to hurt them and then she finishes them off.

1249
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: She'd be giving up a lot of that advantage here.

1250
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: But I wonder if she looks at the top of

1251
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: this division. I mean, look, it has to come down

1252
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: to some conversation about the UFC not being overly interested

1253
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: in matching her against Young Whiley for a trilogy right now?

1254
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: You know, do they have a right in that considering

1255
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 2: Rose put out one of the worst title performances ever

1256
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: in that Asparsa remets that's largely still sort of I mean,

1257
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: I've heard Pat Berry's explanation, but it still doesn't make

1258
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: a ton of sense, right, It's weird. I get that

1259
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: she's not gonna be like the favored one to get

1260
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: that opportunity, but I wonder also if she's looking at

1261
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: the one twenty five growing landscape and thinking, well, Grosso's

1262
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: the champion and she was just in my division. You

1263
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: know I can beat her, and this does set up

1264
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: the potential down the road of things working out that

1265
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: we get a Rose Valentina title fight, which I don't

1266
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: think any of us, you know, really put in the

1267
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: in the consideration of possibility. So wow, what a way

1268
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: to find out if you can do it at this

1269
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: weight class. If that way difference doesn't affect you going

1270
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: up against somebody who is red hot and the company

1271
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: seems to be behind you also have much bigger opponents

1272
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: like Blanchefield Tyler Santos in this weight division. I don't

1273
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: know what Rose looks like, but she is a great fighter.

1274
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: Luc As we always say I'm the best nights there's

1275
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: she's the mother f and best she is.

1276
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: I really wonder what happened after that fight with a

1277
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: Sparza where she just felt like at thirty years old

1278
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: she ate to shake up. Maybe she feels like one

1279
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: to fifteen was too hard to make, and maybe she

1280
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: feels like she was depleted at that weight class, and

1281
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: so she'll feel better at one twenty five. Who knows,

1282
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to see. But like Fierrot is

1283
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: not as mma skilled as namin Unis, I think that's

1284
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: pretty fair. But like, for example, her ability to keep

1285
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: distance her footwork, the physicality, and the clinch. I do

1286
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: wonder about some of that stuff. For Rose, it's gonna

1287
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: be really interesting again. I cannot wait to see what

1288
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of physical game she has at one twenty five.

1289
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: What it looks like. It's pros, it's cons because then

1290
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a much better sense of things. But

1291
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: right now I'm a little bit skeptical about it. I

1292
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: guess if I'm being honest.

1293
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's It's an interesting development. It's gonna be

1294
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: fun to watch. I give her credit for going this

1295
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: way and taking on such a tough chat. If this

1296
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: is so, is Luke, I don't think the fight's announced, right,

1297
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: but the Junkie has reported that.

1298
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: This is Juggie reported it. Yeah, that this is the.

1299
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: Direction the company is heading, all right, Yeah, well, Luke,

1300
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: our next fight announcement is not an official announcement either.

1301
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: But this pits you and I on an interesting opposite

1302
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: sides of the firing line of this goes down Kelvin Gastolum, who,

1303
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: on one great night in Atlanta, Luke did prove he

1304
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: is of that ilk. He is championship material, whether or

1305
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: not he consistently proves that is up to your discretion.

1306
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: He was verbally accepted the challenge of one Shavcot rock Monoff,

1307
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: who has your who has your backing on almost you know,

1308
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: almost an Armenian level. To be fair, Luke, even though

1309
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: he's not of that ilk, this would be an interesting

1310
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: crossroads fight. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you.

1311
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you all the reasons why it would

1312
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: work for gastolum or he would win it. But how

1313
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: do you receive that from team rock Monoff's position as

1314
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: this being the right next test climbing the ladder here

1315
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: at one Uh look, wait, this also would be mean

1316
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: Gaslam coming down and wait though.

1317
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: So it's right. So Gaslam had announced already he was

1318
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: going to go back to one seventy. And I think

1319
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: my view on that part anyway, is probably the same

1320
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: as yours, which is if he can get there safely

1321
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: with expertise so he's not drained. I just, you know,

1322
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: speaking of Rose being in the right weight class, I

1323
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: just never felt like Kelvin at one eighty five was

1324
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: the best fit. To your point about that night in

1325
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: Land against is he he had a losing but still

1326
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: very commendable performance. The whole way through, and he's got

1327
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: some other ones as well. I just don't think that's

1328
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: the best place for him. I still think one seventy is,

1329
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: but again it's only on the condition that he's there safely,

1330
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: he made the cut appropriately, blah blah blah. Okay, let's

1331
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: assume that that is in play against Shavcott Rockmanov's I'm

1332
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: gonna take a bit of an approach here with Rockmanov

1333
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: not the same as I am about Saryuki, and who

1334
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: has twenty six I think still has plenty of time

1335
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: to get better, but more so in the case or

1336
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: more so in the sense that after that fight with

1337
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: Jeff Neil, it is clear to me that Rockmanov is

1338
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: championship caliber, but still could tighten up a few things

1339
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: as well. And against a guy like Gaslim, who has

1340
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: fast hands, certainly good defensive wrestling, highly experienced, powerful right,

1341
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: all those things, it's a good chance to get some

1342
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: of the some of the same looks he got against Neil.

1343
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: But I think overall, if as is not cutting weight

1344
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: in some kind of dramatic way, can be tested in

1345
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: some of the other dimensions as well. In other words,

1346
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: like it's a little bit more of a sophisticated test.

1347
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: Even though obviously Jeff Neil is very, very good and

1348
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: highly ranked in that division, I still think Kevin Gaslam's

1349
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: upside is a little bit higher, again under those weight

1350
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: cutting conditions. So my point being is I actually like

1351
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: this fight in both directions. If Gastolum wins, he's automatically

1352
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: a major player in this division. If Rockmanov wins and

1353
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: can show some improvement from the Jeff Neil fight, especially

1354
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: in the defensive end, well now you're really cooking with

1355
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: gas Now you've got a guy who could go to

1356
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: a title fight pretty clear or number one contender fight

1357
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: after that without much issue. And what's the benefit of

1358
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: fighting Kelvin Gaslim? He's got some name value. Rockmanov could

1359
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: still benefit from that. So I actually don't mind the fight.

1360
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: Would it be the fight that occurred to me first

1361
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: to be seen, No, it wouldn't have. But I don't

1362
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: mind it at all. Actually I kind of like.

1363
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: It, dude, I love it. I mean it shows the

1364
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: balls of Gaslam, who always always wants to face the best,

1365
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: and like I always argue to people telling me I'm stupid,

1366
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: does show up against the best man. I mean, even

1367
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: in that Whinnaker fight, oh fifty to forty five. Okay, dude,

1368
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: he made that a difficult fight. He can a near fight.

1369
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy, this guy's got balls. But Luke,

1370
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: the weightcut, as you mentioned, is the key. I feel

1371
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: like he stopped trying at welterweight to cut back before

1372
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: across the board fighters not only had access to better

1373
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: weightcutting science at the PI in Las Vegas, but like

1374
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: it felt like an earlier era where not everybody was

1375
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: doing it right or even knew how to do it right.

1376
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: I still feel like if he, you know, bites down

1377
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: on the sort of last chance element of moving down

1378
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: to another weight class and now taking out a big

1379
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: name and comes through with the most dedicated physical camp

1380
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: of his career and just goes after it and commits

1381
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: to it, I wonder if he ends up finding out

1382
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 2: this is possible, Luke, And you know what I mean, Like, dude,

1383
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: six years ago, people were not weightcutting right at all.

1384
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: Six years ago, six days ago, six months.

1385
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's still such a like, you know,

1386
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have we seen people. I mean,

1387
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: you'll want to one to fifteen say I can't do

1388
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: this anymore. But then get a new dietician, figure it

1389
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: out a different way, and figure it out and be

1390
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: able to sustain it. It does come down to the

1391
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: want and will if that's the factor, but also the

1392
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 2: science of it. Luke, let's give him a chance here.

1393
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: He's an interesting player at one seventy gastolon back there,

1394
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: but I mean, you could never pick him against Chef

1395
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 2: Cott rock Monoff. But does he have if he can

1396
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: dial up another legendary night. Could he be a tough

1397
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: ass out here? Yeah? Dam brighty?

1398
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: Could he could be?

1399
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: Right?

1400
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's valuable for Rockmanoff to get fights like this

1401
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: before trying to go for a title.

1402
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: I think absolutely. September sixteenth, Luke, do you like the

1403
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: idea and that's that Las Vegas card that we could

1404
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: be getting a Chevchenko rematch Anthony Hernandez versus Chris Curtis.

1405
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: Love it. Anthony Hernandez absolute pace pusher. It's going to

1406
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: be tough for Curtis to keep up with that, but

1407
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: Hernandez is hittable. Chris Curtis has phenomenal takedown defense and

1408
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: is one of the best body punchers and boxers boxing

1409
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: style strikers in MM. A tough fight for Curtis, but

1410
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: you know he's like clock's ticking for him too. He's

1411
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: thirty five years old, so he's trying to get some

1412
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: of the biggest fights he can. I like that one.

1413
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: I like that one a lot.

1414
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: That fight a lot too. Boston in UFC two ninety two.

1415
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: Do you remember the date on that was that August?

1416
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 1: I don't. I'll look it up here real quick.

1417
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: So we already talked about that. This is a bantamweight

1418
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: showcase August nineteenth, thank you, Long Island.

1419
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, August nineteenth, yep, from.

1420
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: The standpoint of the title fight with O'Malley, the Shudo

1421
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: comeback against Vera, all of those other matchups that I

1422
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: read for you on Wednesday, and now we're gonna add

1423
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: Rob Versus song. You don't Luke if the early response

1424
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: from my throwaway comment two days ago about a live

1425
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: show in Boston is any indication people want the shit

1426
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: out of this. I know there's some business things behind

1427
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: the scenes that are still kind of in flux that

1428
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: might dictate some of that. Dude, this card is a banger.

1429
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: We have to be there on the front lines. Shuck

1430
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: in two ms, I mean.

1431
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, yeah. And also Boston in August is

1432
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: not so bad. That two ninety two card is a

1433
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: beast so far, really really really good. And also, like

1434
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: we haven't talked much about it, but that UFC Nashville

1435
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: card on August fifth turning out to be quite a

1436
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: banger as well. So there's a few of these that

1437
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: are coming around the corner that look. But whilst we

1438
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,959
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about a BC, I guess we hold

1439
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: and we didn't put it on here. I think we

1440
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: made a mistake the Valentina Chevchenko Grosso rematch not being

1441
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: on pay per view, going back to fight Nights for

1442
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: that one.

1443
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: Wait, that's so wee. That's supposed to be Canelo weekends

1444
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: Mexican Independence? Would they weekend? Are you saying that in

1445
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 2: response to finding out that Canelo wants to fight Charlo there,

1446
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: that the UFC's going to go with a free come.

1447
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if it's in response to Canelo

1448
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: per se, but this is the report from MMA Junkie.

1449
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: Valentina Schevchenko is going to get the media rematch against

1450
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: Grosso for the Women's flyaway title main event clash September

1451
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: sixteenth in Las Vegas. We looked at defender title for

1452
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: the first time. It's unclear if the event will be

1453
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: on pay per view or a fight night but it's

1454
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: expected to be a Team Mobile. I think I saw

1455
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: a second report saying it was going to be a

1456
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: fight night card, but that is not yet confirmed.

1457
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: But okay, Team Mobile. You can't do fight night cards

1458
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 2: at Team Mobile, right, you can't.

1459
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: You could for the title fight, you could, sure, But here's.

1460
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 2: What it's what I'm saying. I mean, when when it

1461
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: looked like Canelo was not fighting in September or was

1462
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 2: trying to get Bevall, and there was talking like Saudi Arabia,

1463
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 2: Like didn't Dana announce that? Like they were excited about

1464
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: coming to Vegas Mexican Independence State weekend and kind of

1465
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 2: like competing, right, competing? Doesn't it if they go to

1466
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: a which would be better for the fans, a live

1467
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: free TV show on ESPN Plus from the Big Arena

1468
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 2: and make it big and try to compete against Canelo Charlo,

1469
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: which is like their opposite sports. Everybody's got to do

1470
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: big business for Them'm not saying it's like real competition,

1471
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: but doesn't that feel like they're acquiescing rather than just

1472
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: straight up saying no, we've got a good enough fight

1473
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: card to compete.

1474
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's a little that's a little

1475
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: tough for me to say, but it looks like it

1476
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: could be in Las Vegas September sixteenth, and it would

1477
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: make sense on the UFC, right, because if you've got Grosso,

1478
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to court the Mexican audience. It's a great

1479
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: way to do that in Las Vegas. They'll travel for it.

1480
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: But to do it for free feels like what they

1481
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: used to do against a big Strike Force event and

1482
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 2: suddenly you'd have Anderson Silva fighting on regular TV against

1483
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: against what's his name, James Irvin, Right was not again.

1484
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: It used to be the case, like you know, even

1485
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: people talking about they haven't done since the Demetrius Johnson days,

1486
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: but even before that, Like less so about title fights

1487
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: because there weren't as many titles back then, but like

1488
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: there would be fight night offerings that were clearly given

1489
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: as almost like a give back to the fans. Again,

1490
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: it's a different strategy when you're trying to make a

1491
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: card for a very specific purpose, rather than hey, we

1492
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: have to make a calendar and then just fit fights

1493
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: where they go, Like there's a difference in treatment and

1494
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: so to that point, are they going to get back

1495
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: to that, Well, look like that, I think you'd be

1496
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: great if the UFC gave us a title fight and

1497
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: didn't charge paper few prices for it.

1498
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to complain or fight in that direction.

1499
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 2: This should be great for the fans, and you could

1500
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: also argue that it really could have nothing to do

1501
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 2: with Canelo and be more about let's put a Mexican young,

1502
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: vibrant champion on regular ESPN to you know, to give

1503
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 2: to the people and try to play up this fan base.

1504
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: But if you're doing that though the same night Canelos

1505
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: returning to on Mexican independenced a week and inevitably you

1506
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: are competing. So I don't know, it's interesting. I didn't

1507
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: expect that because I expected more of an idea that like, well,

1508
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: we have to fill a certain amount of pay per

1509
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 2: views for ESPN, and here's a great fight, and it

1510
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: is a great fight. The rematch, I can't wait. I

1511
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: just expected that would be on pay per view. I'd

1512
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: be very happy for the fan, of course to see this, Luke,

1513
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: because look, it does feel like matchmaking is starting to

1514
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: pick up late summer again back to where we expect it.

1515
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: This is great news.

1516
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all this matchmaking. I mean, I'm not all

1517
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: of it. Actually that's not true, but a big part

1518
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: of it is cyclical, and it does feel like we're

1519
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: getting to a better place. But I would really it

1520
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: would be DoD I mean, in that fight, you know,

1521
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: we have to watch it no matter what, like so

1522
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter for us. But I just feel

1523
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: like there's a couple of things UFC could do a

1524
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: little bit differently to stop nickel and diming the fans

1525
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: and the way that they have been giving that fight

1526
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: on free TV would be great, great give back.

1527
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 2: Now, look quickly, Rob font knocks out Adrian Yanez at

1528
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: a point where he was looking like, you know, he

1529
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: was coming on. He beats if he beats Song Ya Dong,

1530
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 2: which is not going to be an easy fight. Here's

1531
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 2: another player, I mean, the winner of this fight is

1532
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: another player in the loaded title picture. But the fact

1533
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 2: that all of these players are fighting on the same night,

1534
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: on the same card like this is it's gonna be fun.

1535
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean, bantam way, it's the best division in the sport.

1536
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: This is kudos to Mick Maynard and Shawn Shelby.

1537
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it when it goes

1538
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: this way because you get this massive shake up in

1539
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: the division all at once, yes, all at once. You

1540
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: get this huge change where the rules get rewritten overnight

1541
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: or something. So I really really like that. Plus bantam

1542
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: way is exciting. Also, it just speaks to the fact

1543
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: that forget just winning a title at bantamwait just to

1544
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: get through the song you dongs, the rob Fonts, the

1545
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: Cheeto Vera's that's kind of middle middle top section is

1546
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: so difficult, so difficult to do any of that. And

1547
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: to that point on that Nashville card, San Hagen and

1548
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: we're made off another one of these fights where you're

1549
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: just like Jesus Christ, not even for the title, and

1550
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: these are insanely difficult, insanely skilled opponents. So just strength

1551
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: of that bantamweight division. Good way to stack that card,

1552
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: fun way to end the summer. A lots to like

1553
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: about August nineteenth.

1554
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, uncle Dana, Thank you very much. Topic three

1555
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 2: was fight announcements, Luke. Topic four is also fight announcements,

1556
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: only they're of the sad and sloppy variety, because we

1557
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 2: know you like them extra sloppy, uh, What do we

1558
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: do with this, Luke? What the frick do we do

1559
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 2: with this? Battle of the Billionaires Part two might actually

1560
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 2: be a thing. So Mark Zupper Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta

1561
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: and Facebook Fame, has responded to the call out and

1562
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: challenge of Twitter CEO Elon Musk to a real MMA fight.

1563
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure in theory this sound started as like a

1564
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 2: grappling match because Zuck is competing in BJJA tournaments. But

1565
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: this has escalated quickly. How quickly? Dana White has basically

1566
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 2: said this would be the biggest fight slash event in

1567
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: combat sports history, which really makes you think that the

1568
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 2: opportunistic Dana is thinking like, let's make it in the

1569
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 2: UFC octagon and let's do a big ass USC ESPN

1570
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: plus pay per view. Let's start right there, Luke, And

1571
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 2: I know you went on a very comical rant I

1572
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 2: think on yesterday's live chat that got passed around a

1573
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: lot as well against the absurdity of this. Separate from

1574
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 2: the absurdity of this, I want to ask you a

1575
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 2: real question because we always said what could be Mayweather

1576
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: Paqiao and Mayweather McGregor as the most watched in the

1577
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 2: pay per view era? Right because nothing. By the way,

1578
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 2: no one's ever going to beat what Ali Fraser won.

1579
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: The fight was to the public consciousness. What Joe Lewis

1580
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: smelling two was right, that's a different an era of

1581
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 2: different levels. In the modern pay per view era. I

1582
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: always said, well, if you can get Lebron James to

1583
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: agree to a boxing match against Tom Brady, like you

1584
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's so stupid that you have

1585
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 2: to see it. Could these billionaires that run these social companies,

1586
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 2: what is the ceiling on pay per view buys if

1587
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: this actually went down in a sanctioned UFC pay per view.

1588
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 2: I'm being serious here. Is this the biggest combat sports

1589
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 2: fight of all time? Whether we should accept it or not.

1590
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: No, it's a fucking stupid troll job by two board billionaires.

1591
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a fucking dumbest conversation Okay, I've

1592
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: probably ever had in my.

1593
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: Life separate from the and I want to get into

1594
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: the absurdity of it. I'm just talking straight up. What

1595
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: was Mayweather versus pak Yo four point six million pay

1596
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 2: per view buys in the in the US?

1597
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do this, but this is the same question.

1598
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: How many angels fit on the head of a pen?

1599
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: How big would it be? I don't know, change it out.

1600
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 1: Make Mark Zuckerberg versus Lebron James. How big would that be?

1601
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: Lebron James versus I don't know, fucking some d doodoo

1602
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: one chest tournament or Neirandam Moody, the guy who is

1603
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: the head of India. How about if he boxed Vladimir Putin, Like,

1604
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: all of these things would be really, really big. They're

1605
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: all as likely to happen as this dumb shit thing

1606
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: that these two guys are just using control for media.

1607
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: It's not it's not real.

1608
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: It's not real again, Luke, separate from the reality or

1609
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: the should it happen? Or is this even a real conversation?

1610
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 2: If it's charged one hundred bucks on ESPN plus pay

1611
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: per view and it's actually a ufc CO main event,

1612
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 2: does this three round fight generate more pay per views

1613
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: than the four point six million in the US of

1614
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 2: Mayweather McGregor.

1615
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you can never underestimate the gullibility of the

1616
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: combat sports audience to buy into things that they don't

1617
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: need to buy into. So probably, I guess is the end.

1618
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: I mean, could just do seven million pay per view buys?

1619
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: Luke, I guess again. I mean I can't say no.

1620
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 2: Okay, Normally I would dismiss this completely as having no

1621
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: chance of.

1622
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 1: Happening and has no chance. Why zero chance of happening?

1623
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: Why in uh you know, Joe Biden getting an exhibition

1624
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: boxing match against Trump. It's just like to stop it.

1625
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke, there's something weird going on here.

1626
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: One part of this weird thing. Well, by the way,

1627
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is already the betting favorite at fifty two

1628
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 2: years old. He's much larger physically than Zuck.

1629
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: He's an out of shape slob. Let's just call it

1630
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: what it is.

1631
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 2: Suck is renting out the octagon like the damn Apex

1632
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 2: for a show. He is doing an almost John DuPont

1633
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: type senior circuit of BJJ where I'm gonna go train

1634
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 2: with real gyms, and I want to show you guys

1635
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: that you know, I like MMA two. They might be

1636
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 2: into this. I mean, like, think of what the Paul

1637
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: brothers have done to spectacles, the idea that something might

1638
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,879
Speaker 2: be so ridiculous, but if you can get the world

1639
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: to watch you do it, why would you not want

1640
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 2: to be a part of that moment? I think these

1641
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: two are weird enough and crazy enough and have enough connections.

1642
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, you saw the joy on Dana's face

1643
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: when he was talking about it. I know UFC doesn't

1644
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: do these type of fights, to be fair, They're not

1645
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: like boxing. They don't do this type of bullshit.

1646
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 1: They don't do gimmick fights.

1647
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: So and Gan who has notes? You know what I'm saying, Like,

1648
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: the problem with boxing is, Dana says, is nobody wants

1649
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 2: to work together. PFL actually is willing to work with

1650
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 2: UFC on ESPN Plus and making Gan who versus Jones

1651
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: just so everybody knows. But UFC doesn't do this bullshit.

1652
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 2: You're damn right. They would sell their soul to do

1653
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: this bullshit. You're telling me you don't think there's even

1654
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 2: a five percent chance that this would happen.

1655
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: No, I don't think there's even a point five percent

1656
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: chance of this happening. It's all bullshit. Why Musk is famous,

1657
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: including through it, most specifically through his boring company, where

1658
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: he's trying to build tunnels, famously over promising and consistently

1659
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: under delivering on purpose. This is what he does all

1660
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: the fucking time. Number one, Number two, he's fifty two

1661
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: and a fat, out of shape slob. What the fuck

1662
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: are people talking about the guy that can barely touch

1663
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: his toes. You think you can be a training camp,

1664
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: You think you know there's not he's not. He's not.

1665
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't have time for it, he's not going to

1666
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: do that. It's all nonsense. It's all bullshit. And this

1667
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: whole thing about Mark Zuckerberg winning BJJ tournament's guys, Please,

1668
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: the people who talk about winning BJJ tournaments are the

1669
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 1: least impressive people on the face of the fucking planet,

1670
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: except for the guys who win black belt world titles

1671
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: because no one else actually does it. Going to these

1672
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: fucking tournaments and fighting your neighbors with a gee on

1673
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: is the is one tiny step above participation trophy. You're

1674
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: fighting people who are borderline infirm. Get the fuck out

1675
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: of all of this shit, dude. It's it's two guys.

1676
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: It's two guys who are using dickheads like us for

1677
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: extra media attention. No more, no less, not gonna happen,

1678
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: not possible, Absolute fucking ruse. There's zero to this, and

1679
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: there's more to the point here about like just even

1680
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: entertaining stories like this like BC. Here's the crazy part

1681
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: about mm fandom in twenty twenty three, it's not true

1682
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: for most of the roster. It's not true for like,

1683
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: for example, we just talked about UFC two ninety two,

1684
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: What a great card that is, how fun it will

1685
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: be for the bantamweight division. All that's true. I'm not

1686
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to you specifical about UFC. I'm just saying

1687
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: as an MME fandom, MME fandom these days is there's

1688
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: this jack off session into imagination, like wouldn't it be

1689
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: great if Jones fought Francis but it's never gonna happen,

1690
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: And wonder when Connor's coming back? And wouldn't it be

1691
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: hilarious if Elon Musk fought Mark Zuckerberg. Like all of this,

1692
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 1: there's nothing grounded in reality at all, and so everyone

1693
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: is forced to just imagine these other possibilities and then

1694
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: jack off to it, and then we're expected to like

1695
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: honor this as like real things that are happening. This

1696
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: is this is an indictment on how little the MMA

1697
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: fight game these days has, like high profile bouts to

1698
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 1: actually capture your imagination. And this is what we're resorting

1699
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 1: to because there's a giant vacuum on that side of

1700
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: the equation.

1701
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: Look, this would just stupid numbers if it was real.

1702
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: I get your argument. Probably probably it's stupid and let's

1703
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 2: not talk about it. I agree. I get your argument

1704
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 2: with this is potentially Musk just talking shit. He wouldn't

1705
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 2: really do this, But I disagree with your argument that

1706
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: there's like zero point five percent chance. Dude, these CEOs

1707
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: like they don't want to be looked at as just

1708
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 2: really successful and smart in their nerd job. They want

1709
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 2: to be considered cool. Badly must going on.

1710
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: They want to look they want to look cool. They

1711
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: don't want to actually do the things that actually make

1712
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: the dude, Can I tell you how many people show

1713
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: up to martial arts gyms and the military is the

1714
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: same thing. They show up wanting to change who they are.

1715
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: Because I got to.

1716
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 2: Stop you, though, I got to stop you before ten

1717
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: minute rant. I respect your rant, But Luke, where these

1718
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 2: guys aren't trying to fight Mickey gall They're not trying

1719
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 2: to fight Randy Gutur. If you're Elon Musk, even at

1720
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 2: fifty two, you know you could get in shape, and

1721
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 2: you could pay stupid money to get somebody who can't

1722
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 2: and probably right up, and you're looking at that nerd Zuck,

1723
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 2: and all you're saying is I just have to fight him,

1724
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 2: not even beat him. Really, to be fair, I just

1725
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: have to fight him, and we break the internet, we

1726
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 2: make stupid money, we get to finally look cool. All

1727
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 2: they don't need. These guys realize that they're there's only

1728
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 2: so cool they can actually be through the financial success

1729
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 2: and creating shit. They want to be like mainstream every

1730
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: guy cool too. That's why Zuck is doing these tournaments

1731
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: and having his people send out press releases of the

1732
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: videos and stuff. Dude, I could convince myself that even

1733
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 2: Musk would say, yeah, I'll take the risk against the

1734
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: small nerd.

1735
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: A'll no, he won't want. No, he won't, No, he won't.

1736
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg might train for it, because he actually has some

1737
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: he's thirty nine, he's shown some ability to stick to

1738
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: a training routine. I suppose less less skeptical of that.

1739
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: But this other guy too, he's a I mean, he

1740
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: is a known over promiser, under deliverer, famous, famous for it.

1741
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: He's in his fifties. And you made me think, like

1742
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: these guys they want to look more cool than what

1743
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: they are. Well, yes, they do, but they don't want

1744
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: to put in the work for it. They don't actually

1745
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: want dude. It reminds me of those guys who like

1746
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: never joined the military and then they pay like ten

1747
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to go get screamed at by people who

1748
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: used to be drilling stors in the Marine Corps whatever.

1749
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: Joe Startan's fantasy Navy seal.

1750
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like fantasy Navy seal. Keep like that's what

1751
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: this amounts to. And you're asking me to like honor

1752
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: this as something like genuine or real or interesting.

1753
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 2: I'm not asking you to. I'm not saying it. It's

1754
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: not more than what you're saying. You're just saying, there's

1755
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,839
Speaker 2: no chance it happens. Dude, you have there's no company

1756
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: just bought WWE. Dana White a week ago was sending

1757
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: apparently real offers to Tyson Fury to box in here

1758
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 2: we lived, We live well, No, I get your I

1759
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 2: get your your your I get it Okay, Whether or

1760
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: not that's true, that was the public narrative. We've seen

1761
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: James Tony, we've seen CM punk. Dude. If this has

1762
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 2: potential to do, I mean, we never thought Mayweather McGregor

1763
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,839
Speaker 2: would happen for key business reasons. But once everyone realized

1764
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 2: the money was so stupid that even Dane on Company

1765
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 2: were like, yep, we'll co promote it with you. All good,

1766
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 2: not not worth getting in the way of let's just

1767
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: do it. This has that potential if it was real,

1768
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 2: And I don't really know if Musk really would right.

1769
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 2: If that's your argument, I get it, you might be right,

1770
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 2: But you have see Disney, ESPN, Endeavor, WWTKO Group, whatever

1771
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 2: all these people are, they would sell their souls to

1772
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: put this on Luke. What does that say about this?

1773
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 2: This combat?

1774
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other part too. It's like all people

1775
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: like I'd be I'd die to see that wat to

1776
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: dorks fighting. Go to comic Con and look at the

1777
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: line in food and wait till someone cuts it. You'll

1778
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: get the exact same level of fighting. What the fuck

1779
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 1: are you people?

1780
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 2: The same of what would it look like? You know

1781
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 2: what I mean?

1782
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: Dude? No, what?

1783
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 2: What?

1784
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: What grand mystery is it that you think will be revealed?

1785
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: In order to pay one hundred bucks to watch this

1786
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: two guys who can't ship in their forties and fifties,

1787
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: You know what that's gonna look like? You know what

1788
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: that's gonna look like. I mean, you know what, would

1789
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: we all pay attention to pirate it? Of course, like

1790
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: that's the reality, but like, what's the mystery here? Gosh,

1791
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: I would just have to see that with pirrating?

1792
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: Could it do five million buys in the US with

1793
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 2: even with pirrating? I think it could?

1794
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean probably, yeah. Probably.

1795
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: The only reason why I'm actually having a real conversation

1796
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 2: with you about this is that my fear is Musk

1797
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: is crazy enough because again, look at his opponent. I

1798
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: think he thinks he could, you know, kick this guy

1799
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: in the face and be done with it. I think

1800
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 2: he's crazy enough to be part of it. And I

1801
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: think Data and all of them are would jump out

1802
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 2: of their underwear to be part of this. Would that

1803
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 2: be a stain on MMA? If this was on a

1804
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: UFC pay per view or like, I mean it might.

1805
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the fan base has already found

1806
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 1: here's what like Musk and to a lesser extent, Zuck

1807
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: already have although Zuck doing the stuff through MMA is

1808
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: now picking it up. He's like cults of personality, people

1809
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: who like, you know the amount of people who like

1810
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: and listen there are good things Elon Musk has done.

1811
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: There are bad things he has done. Everyone is complicated

1812
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: in every kind of way, but like he has a

1813
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: army of fanboys who defend his every move and then

1814
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: ascribe to a genius even when it's like rank incompetence.

1815
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: And I think Zuck wants a piece of that, And

1816
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: I think his involvement in MMA is starting to deliver

1817
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Actually, Like you're beginning to see, like, oh,

1818
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: how many guys like tripping over themselves to get to

1819
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: social media. I'd happily train this guy, and blah blah,

1820
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 1: blah blah. And it's like, I cannot believe these are

1821
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: the same people who tweet about the evils of big tech,

1822
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: how big brother is coming to take their their rights away,

1823
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: and how big tech has manipulated the views and the

1824
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,839
Speaker 1: shows and and and and and and the news against

1825
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: their own interests because of sort of political persuasion and

1826
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: or whatever other sort of Adam Smith hand of God

1827
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: argument they want to make there. And then the first

1828
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: fucking thing they do is cozy up to the guy

1829
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,440
Speaker 1: when he wants a little bit of attention. Rank hypocrites,

1830
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: every single one of them who did that, all of

1831
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 1: them drive. So this is my point. They're not motivated

1832
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: by money, None of that means anything. They would only

1833
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: be motivated by some kind of ego. But really to

1834
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: do that, to really fall through on that, you have

1835
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: to believe your own bullshit. I think Zuckerberg believes his

1836
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: own bullshites. Musk does not. Musk is just some out

1837
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: of shape guy in his fifties. It's all nonsense and

1838
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:53,799
Speaker 1: it's absurd.

1839
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 2: Again, if your take is that Musk is not being serious,

1840
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: I could understand that. But your idea that because these

1841
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 2: evil tech warlords that people hate, that, then that same

1842
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: regular person won't pay money to potentially see both of

1843
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 2: them get punched in the face. Look, that's the definition

1844
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: of of must see train wreck entertainment. Like this is

1845
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl upon super Bowl Olympics. Fine world, put

1846
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: it on.

1847
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: Put it on BLK Prime, you know, put it on

1848
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: BLK Prime. It would be a great place for it.

1849
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 2: Their ESPN and the UFC would be jumping out of

1850
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 2: their skin to put this side.

1851
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: I know because everyone in the fight game, everyone including

1852
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: us to a degree, But everyone in the fight game

1853
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: is a total hypocrite. I Mean, the really big story

1854
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: here is like not even what two weeks ago, UCEE

1855
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: President Dana White was saying like, we don't do gimmick fights,

1856
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: and then I had I saw people being like, oh,

1857
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: this is not a gimmick fight, folks. I don't know

1858
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: how to explain to you. If this isn't a gimmick fight,

1859
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: then there is no such thing as a gimmick fight.

1860
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: This is the apotheosis, This is the This is the

1861
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: height of the gimmick art form played out, and folks

1862
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: have been like, oh, gimmicks aren't good for attention. A gimmick,

1863
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: by definition, is a thing that tries to get it.

1864
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: Acubono fighting Hoyst Gracie in Japan for New Year's Eve,

1865
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: which I think did more than fifty million viewers in

1866
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: a nation of one hundred and twenty five million, is

1867
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: an extraordinary gimmick. It worked at least temporarily anyway. But

1868
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: the whole point of a gimmick is to do something

1869
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: cheap to produce clicks or attention or or whatnot. This

1870
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: is the this is the textbook dictionary definition of such

1871
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: a thing, especially in a case where you mentioned like

1872
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: they did the sea and punk thing, they did the

1873
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: James Tony James tony decorated boxer seeing Punk at least

1874
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: works with his hands in pro wrestling, and there's a

1875
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: physicality to it. These are just two guys who sit

1876
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: behind desks, who got picked on their whole life and

1877
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: then got rich. Like, what the fuck are we talking

1878
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: about here? This is insane.

1879
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: They're really not just those two guys. They're they're they're

1880
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 2: in their own ways sort of world powers overlording these

1881
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 2: this thing social Yes, when they're not war able to

1882
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 2: finish the sentence once on the show, I really do.

1883
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 2: I gotta be able to finish sentence once? And who

1884
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 2: are overlords over the thing social media that distracts us

1885
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 2: on three quarters of our day every day. These aren't

1886
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 2: just regular dudes and donks, even though that's who they

1887
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: are physically, Luke, It's different, and that's why everybody would

1888
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 2: bend over to do this. I just fear that these

1889
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 2: two are crazy enough and that the distribution system wants

1890
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 2: it so badly that I don't know, like it's too

1891
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 2: far down the road already that I actually think it

1892
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 2: might happen, Luke.

1893
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,839
Speaker 1: I just want to be very clear the people, the people,

1894
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: should we even get into this morning, MK, I mean

1895
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm sort of said what I had to say about it.

1896
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: I think that like anybody who says that they want

1897
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: to see it because it'd be interesting just has terrible taste.

1898
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 1: I mean, basically is the way to put that just

1899
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 1: just the lowest level of it. I mean, what on

1900
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Speaker 1: earth could be the appeal to watch two dorks who

1901
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Speaker 1: can't fight fight each other other than oh, well, these

1902
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: guys are different because they're tech oligarchs. Right, the people

1903
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: that you told me and it constantly tell me are

1904
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: the world's scourge on the earth, and now you can't

1905
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: wait to give them to money and attention. Like everyone

1906
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: in this industry is a hypocrite. It's just insane.

1907
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a prize fighting industry. It's entertainment. I

1908
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 2: mean that's what it is.

1909
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: That's right. People are entertained by like crazy things.

1910
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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, no doubt about it. Well, it gets

1911
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 2: sadder from here, Luke. October fourteenth, we remember Mark Coleman's

1912
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: been getting in shape for what he keeps calling a

1913
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 2: celebrity boxing match. October fourteenth, he will box former unified

1914
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 2: light heavyweight world champion montell Ice Griffin and the videos

1915
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 2: Mark Coleman has put out in the last twenty four hours.

1916
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: Every video has in it like this disclaim where he's

1917
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 2: like people, I know you what you're thinking, don't worry

1918
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 2: about me. I'll be fine. Look what are we doing here?

1919
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 2: Can we just pay him money not to do this?

1920
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

1921
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: How old is he? Fifty eight?

1922
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Stop it? I mean, like it's cool that he

1923
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 2: kind of got in shape, but he's got a big

1924
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: felupa luke. Maybe you can't fix that at that age.

1925
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: But hey, listen doing.

1926
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: A lot of body shaming on today's show. I mean,

1927
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: I wish you'ld really I mean me too, but we

1928
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: should dial it back.

1929
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 2: Okay, But like it's different if he's gonna fight like

1930
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 2: Ken Shamrock, he's fighting like a real boxers who beat

1931
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 2: Roy Jones. I'll be by disqualification, but you get my point.

1932
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, at fifty eight, no less post hip replacement

1933
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: and everything else. Like, I mean, how much you think

1934
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 1: they're offering him that.

1935
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: It's probably sadder than we think. It's probably like one

1936
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 2: hundred thousand or something like, it's probably awful.

1937
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably two hundred at most to fifty something like that.

1938
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that's not huge money for a

1939
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: guy who, like, you know, when you're a retired fighter, Luke,

1940
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 2: unless you own your own gym, Like, what are you

1941
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 2: going to do to get that retirement home. I don't know,

1942
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really know, you know, So it

1943
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: is what it is. But I I hate it, Damn,

1944
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: I hate it.

1945
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Speaker 1: Just today's fans just don't remember, dude. I remember very clearly,

1946
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: Like even after Mark Coleman was kind of done as

1947
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: an elite fighter, Hammerhouse was still pretty big. Him Randoman

1948
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: West Simms. You know, obviously Phil Barti's in a different place.

1949
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: But back then Phil Baroni, like they had some real

1950
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: names and Hammerhouse was doing some real fun stuff and

1951
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: they weren't, you know, they weren't the tet the best technically,

1952
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 1: the most sophisticated, but like him and Randallman were just

1953
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 1: hard nose to the grindstone kind of guys and they

1954
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: had a real rep and there was something happening. And

1955
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: I know he's still involved in coaching. I know Matt

1956
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 1: Brown is still coached by him and some other and

1957
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 1: some other folks. But yeah, dude, this one breaks my heart.

1958
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Like you just don't want to see I mean, I

1959
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: wish there was a GoFundMe.

1960
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 2: We could just like, yeah, pay for him not to fight.

1961
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 2: It'd yeah, basically, UFC just give him one of those

1962
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 2: jobs where he sits next to Forrest Griffin every day

1963
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 2: and just like talks about how great it was to fight. Look,

1964
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Speaker 2: I'd be down for that. I'll pay that salary please.

1965
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Speaker 1: Uh.

1966
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Speaker 2: Here's a sad fight. Not as sad, but how sad

1967
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 2: is sad? Luke Jrgey Mazavidal's Bare Knuckle promotion. I don't

1968
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 2: have the date in front of me, but here's the matchup,

1969
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 2: Junior Dosanto's versus Fabricio ver Doom.

1970
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: In bare knuckle MMA.

1971
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 2: Maybe they're preparing to box Francis Luke I don't know,

1972
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 2: or maybe fight him in PF. I mean, what why

1973
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 2: are we bare knuckling these two? They actually could get

1974
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 2: a they could fight Francis and PFL to be fair,

1975
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 2: they could. They actually could.

1976
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. Didn't wasn't game Bred doing like

1977
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: really good purses?

1978
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,919
Speaker 2: Yeah he had that boxing card he had with Pettis

1979
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: and yeah.

1980
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: Like he was doing some Like I was looking at

1981
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 1: the person numbers. I was like, okay, Jorge p I

1982
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: mean he put his money where his mouth is on

1983
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: that one. I was like pretty impressed. Actually, so maybe they're.

1984
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 2: Getting from where's that money coming from?

1985
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: Investors? I hope investors.

1986
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 2: All.

1987
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's always better to spend someone else's money

1988
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: than your own. But I'll say this, like, b see,

1989
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 1: you even joked about it for a long time, not

1990
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: to fight specifically, but this thing you you always said

1991
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: when we first started talking about BKFC, you'd be like, Hey,

1992
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: this is the next and maybe the last step on

1993
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: the combat sports highway. It's like, and now we're here,

1994
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, not BKFC in particular, but bare knuckle fighting

1995
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: and now and now we're here, and you're like, well,

1996
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: they could get a better fight. But like if they're

1997
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 1: gonna if if let's say I'm gonna make up something,

1998
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna completely make it up. Let's say these guys

1999
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: are getting three hundred k to fight each other and

2000
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: they're in their what late thirties, early forties, and in

2001
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 1: the case of Verdom, I think even a little bit

2002
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: older than that late forties, maybe wouldn't wouldn't you do it? Like,

2003
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: wouldn't you?

2004
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 2: Of course that's why they're doing it, But I'd almost

2005
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 2: rather this be an MMA fight if you're gonna do this,

2006
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 2: But then, I mean, I don't know, am I still looking?

2007
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: Am I still be honest? Combat sports which is violent

2008
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 2: and sad in a lot of areas at the elite

2009
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: level even at times? Is am I? Am I over

2010
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 2: stigmatizing bare knuckle You know, I always say last stop

2011
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 2: on the highway of the combat sports food cycle. Uh,

2012
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 2: you know it's you can make a lot of money

2013
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 2: there though for a last stop? Am I still demonizing

2014
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 2: the idea of taking off the gloves and doing bare

2015
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 2: knuckle as being somehow, you know, a worse look than than.

2016
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, it doesn't seem like if

2017
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: they were bare knuckle boxing, I feel a little bit worse,

2018
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 1: but like.

2019
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 2: Oh they are doing still they are you saying this

2020
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 2: is bare knuckle MMA?

2021
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: So the way it works is that I think that

2022
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: the game bread promotion is bare knuckle MMA.

2023
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 2: Oh all right, I mean, I guess I don't hate

2024
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 2: that as much. I just didn't understand why these two

2025
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 2: are doing bare knuckle boxing. I know JDS fancies himself

2026
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:47,879
Speaker 2: a boxer on the feet, luke.

2027
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, let me double check that. I'm pretty sure

2028
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: that's the case.

2029
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: I know, because Mozreital has a few different promotions under

2030
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 2: one under at one time. Right, he's got he's got icon.

2031
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 1: Yeah it's bernuckle mm a. Okay, Look that's not as bad.

2032
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: That's not as bad for.

2033
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 2: Chokes, you know, I mean, it's still pretty. It's a

2034
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 2: bad August fifth is Jake Paul against Nate Diaz in Dallas.

2035
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 2: Here's a boxing match added to the undercard. Look, Chris

2036
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 2: Alvilla of Teams Stocked in two o nine has a

2037
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: lot of lives in this space. He's gonna be back

2038
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 2: to box one. Jeremy Stevens, who just looked good in

2039
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 2: a rematch with Jose Aldo under a boxing justification there

2040
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 2: with maz Vidol's Game Bread promotions. Are you down for

2041
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 2: Avila versus Jeremy Stevens. I feel like little little uh,

2042
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: little Heathen's gonna let those hands go and hurt them.

2043
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: I gotta say like Avila has a little bit more

2044
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: boxing experience and has kind of that sort of lackadaisical

2045
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz attitude. But he you know, he's done better

2046
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: than I thought in certain times. But to your point, dude,

2047
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Stevens was like surprisingly keeping up with Jose Aldo in

2048
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: ways I just didn't see coming. Obviously, there was no

2049
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: leg kicks, there was no you know, there's not a

2050
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: lot of things that makes Aldo's game tick. But still

2051
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 1: Stevens looked all right. I gotta tell you that's like

2052
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: I might even favor Stevens in that one if I'm

2053
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: being what is that a four rounder or a six rounder?

2054
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: What is that?

2055
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I would also favor Stevens in

2056
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: that regard.

2057
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't think eight rounds eight rounds. I'm definitely gonna

2058
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: favor Jeremy Stevens is a than him a lot or No,

2059
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Jeremy Stevens in person in a long time.

2060
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

2061
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean, are we really still talking about this, Luke?

2062
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 2: What do you think though that because that pay per

2063
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 2: fight will get that pay per view will get some eyeballs.

2064
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 2: But there was Nate Diaz is he sparred with a

2065
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 2: professional boxer who came out and said he's absolutely garbage.

2066
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 2: But then somebody from you know, Nate's team said, the

2067
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,639
Speaker 2: guy who said that is absolutely garbage. So I don't

2068
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 2: know what to believe. This fight just got changed to

2069
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 2: ten rounds. On Nate Diaz's suggestion, I don't know about

2070
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 2: the weeds situation in Texas. If that was fixed, do

2071
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 2: you feel like this will still be a hit August fifth,

2072
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 2: because you know, maybe two years ago it could have

2073
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 2: done a million and a half pay per view buys.

2074
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 2: Where are we right now for this fight in your eyes?

2075
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a great question. I really don't know,

2076
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: like part of the hard thing to do. Like we're

2077
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: talking about should the UFC put a title fight for

2078
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: free on Mexican Independence Day in September? And it's like, well,

2079
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: that would be great. But then, you know, just just

2080
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: to understand the UFC's position, like the more that they

2081
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: dial back some of that stuff to let's say, give

2082
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 1: to the fans, that means that's another month where they

2083
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: not that they can count on PA per view money.

2084
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: But I'm just pointing out if they had a pay

2085
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: per view in that slot, that means that the MMA

2086
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: fan now has to ask themselves, Okay, what would I

2087
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 1: rather spend my money on? And it creates, at a

2088
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: bare minimum, some friction. It creates, at a bare minimum,

2089
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: of dilemma about how to spend your money. Whereas if

2090
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: you just let's say withdrew completely from the pay per

2091
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: view market, Well, now there's a lot of extra money

2092
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: to go around for a fight like Diaz versus Paul.

2093
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: I think number one PC adding to two extra two rounds,

2094
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: making it ten rounds, does make it more competitive, which

2095
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: it needs to be. But how well it does I

2096
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: think it does well. I think both guys probably makes

2097
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: some money, but I don't think it's gonna be some

2098
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of killer, at least the less something changes. Like

2099
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: I've noticed something. You know, if you go to like

2100
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: Jake Paul's tweets and like this happens to all of us.

2101
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: We all have an opinion, people hate and blah blah blah.

2102
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: Like dude, every one of his tweets is like a ratio,

2103
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 1: Like every single one of them is just constant pushback

2104
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 1: and negativity no matter what he says. And like you

2105
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 1: might think that that leads to people tuning in to

2106
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: see him get knocked out and again it's Nate Diaz.

2107
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: I think that they will, but like you know, your

2108
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: point about it could have been a million and a

2109
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 1: half a few years ago. Yeah, maybe a few years ago.

2110
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,759
Speaker 1: I think now it's like if they did five hundred thousand.

2111
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 1: I would consider that a big success, wouldn't you?

2112
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you? There's a lot of people in boxing,

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Speaker 2: Eddie Hern one of them on aerial show that had

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01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 2: gotten some headlines. But a lot of people are like,

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Speaker 2: the more I look at this matchup, I know Fury

2116
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 2: just lost to or I'm sorry, I know Jake Paul

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01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 2: just lost to Tyson, Fury's brother, but he does have

2118
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 2: more experience, he's the bigger fighter. I'm seeing a lot

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Speaker 2: of boxing folks predicting this to be Jake Paul finished

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01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 2: just a dominant performance. I do think it'll be competitive

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01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 2: to start to finish. Where are you at right now?

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Speaker 1: Hum? No? I tend to think it's gonna look like

2123
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 1: a lot of Nate Ds fights. To be honest with you,

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01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get tuned up for a large

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01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: portion of it, and then Paul is gonna let on

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01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: the break a little bit, and then Diaz is gonna surge.

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01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: And you know, the question is does he surge to

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01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,639
Speaker 1: a finish, does he search to a win, or does

2129
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: he searche to a moral victory? And then blah blah

2130
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. That's what you have to ask yourself.

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01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 1: But I think the two extra rounds definitely helped Diaz.

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01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: I really believe that. I think most people would. But

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01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't think it meanfully changes the equation. I think

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01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be down too often. But BC, you

2135
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: know that's gonna be a pro Daz crowd. I mean

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01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,719
Speaker 1: we both know that. So anything he lands, they're gonna

2137
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 1: go fucking bananas for no doubt.

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01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 2: How to source tell me that this fight promotion is

2139
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 2: offering to fly journalists out and give them hotel and

2140
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 2: airfare to cover it. What do you make of that?

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01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: No one's offered me that. But then again, I've been

2142
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,560
Speaker 1: looking for a n Diaz interview for fifteen years and

2143
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 1: never gotten one of those, So I guess I'm not

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Speaker 1: on the list.

2145
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,600
Speaker 2: At Dear Ak the God on Twitter says, can you

2146
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 2: tell Luke to say years old instead of years of age?

2147
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,440
Speaker 2: It's so pretentious, Luke, how do you feel that request.

2148
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 1: He can lick the backside of my balls and tell

2149
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: me what they taste like.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Kobe, alrip girl, Dad, Kobe, tell me how my

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01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 2: ass taste? Der Ak the God topic five, Luke is

2152
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 2: to be fair, it's more speculation. But this Speculation is

2153
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,719
Speaker 2: growing that the end of twenty twenty three in boxing

2154
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 2: will end with a big bang in Saudi Arabia. We

2155
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 2: know about the idea of this big doubleheader with so

2156
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 2: many big names for an excess amount of money. This

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01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 2: might be a triple header. So Eddie Hearn, who promotes

2158
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 2: Anthony Joshua, who would be a part of this supercard,

2159
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 2: was on Ariel's MMA Hour and said he has declared

2160
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 2: it's his understanding that the Saudis want this tripleheader to

2161
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 2: be Usik versus Fury in the main event for the

2162
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 2: undisputed heavyweight championship, Anthony Joshua versus Deontay Wilder and the

2163
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 2: comine for that fight we never got that we've all wanted,

2164
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 2: and Francis and Ganu against former heavyweight contender Derek Chasora,

2165
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 2: a title contender excuse me, who fought Fury three times

2166
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 2: Luke and has been around tough out you know, remember

2167
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 2: he had that war with Pavet Kennyes, he's been in it.

2168
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that was Dillon White even, I'll take that back.

2169
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 2: Chaza has been at this level but is now considered

2170
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 2: past it. There's a lot of layers to this this

2171
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 2: talk is not going away. We do know there's stupid

2172
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 2: money over there. I'll say it before I'll say it again.

2173
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 2: They paid Anthony Joshua eighty five million to bring the

2174
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 2: Andy Ruis rematch there. They have paid the WWE a

2175
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 2: just exorbitant amount of money. You remember Live Golf, Luke.

2176
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on, whether it's sports washing or not,

2177
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of money. Let's start right here

2178
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 2: before we get into the Angano specifics. This triple header

2179
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 2: actually coming off. We don't see super fights combined on

2180
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 2: one card in boxing like this ever, you know what

2181
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: I mean, It's not what we do here. What is

2182
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 2: the percent chance, if you say zero five point five

2183
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 2: percent chance that Zuck and Musk are gonna do some

2184
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,759
Speaker 2: stupid fight that could break all the records in boxing

2185
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, as you know it. What are

2186
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 2: the percentage that all this smoke actually leads to fire?

2187
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: This one is a little tougher, right, I mean, the

2188
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Zuck and must thing, it just seems to me like

2189
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: an obvious media gag. But this one, I can't quite

2190
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 1: fully tell what's going on here, And for the reasons

2191
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 1: you articulated, which I think are important. Like we're talking

2192
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 1: about people who are obviously bankrolled and willing to spend

2193
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: in ways that really, like quite literally be see. Is

2194
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: this an unfair way The Saudis are willing to spend

2195
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 1: in ways that basically nobody else in the fight game is.

2196
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy to say. I think that's

2197
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: quite accurate. So for those reasons, and look at how

2198
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 1: much they're trying to invest in sports that's just them.

2199
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: For example, here in DC was announced Monumental Sports, which

2200
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 1: owns the Caps, it owns the uh Wistic, the Whistics,

2201
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: it owns the Mystics, it owns the Whiz. They are

2202
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: now taking five billion from a sovereign wealth front from Cutter,

2203
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: you know. So it's not just them, It's like the

2204
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: entire Bankuld part of the Middle East is really trying

2205
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 1: to get this going. And so for those reasons, you

2206
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: definitely have to take it seriously. But the part that's

2207
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 1: weird BC is this is the part where I'm a

2208
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 1: little bit skeptical, And I know we talked about this

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01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 1: on an editorial meeting, and this is where part weighs.

2210
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:37,719
Speaker 1: I could believe that they make one of the fights

2211
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 1: they're talking about I could even believe that they would

2212
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,640
Speaker 1: make two. What I cannot believe is that they're going

2213
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: to make the three fights that have kind of been

2214
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: discussed out there. Now understand what I'm saying. If you

2215
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: pulled each of them apart and said the Saudi's want

2216
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 1: to make these for the calendar year, I'd believe it.

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01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: I guess. Just here's my thought. Boxing is full of weirdos,

2218
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: it's full of interruptions, it's of all kinds of ways

2219
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: deals can get upended. And I know that the argument

2220
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 1: with the one that you made, which is a fair one,

2221
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 1: which is that what you just need six signatures, right,

2222
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 1: but you need, in my judgment, six of the most

2223
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 1: difficult ones to get even with that kind of financial bankroll.

2224
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 1: So here's my view BC. Unlike the other one, which

2225
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 1: I think is just a stupid media play, this one,

2226
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: to me seems a little bit more interesting. I guess

2227
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 1: what they're trying though, even with all of that is

2228
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: so monumental. I'm skeptical that they can put all three

2229
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: of those on one part this year. That's where I

2230
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 1: come down.

2231
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 2: Well, your reference was to a pre show meeting we

2232
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 2: had yesterday where you and I debated this and you saying,

2233
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 2: I just don't you know, it's impossible to make this happen.

2234
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 2: It's not easy, but it is six signatures and they've

2235
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 2: already paid Joshua stupid money. Saudi Arabia just started their

2236
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 2: own boxing promotion, of which they signed Alexander Ussik, which

2237
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 2: was looked at as the only path Usik could take

2238
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 2: to try to get Fury who I mean, look, there

2239
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 2: is a I don't know, there's some people who suspect

2240
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 2: the day Daniel Kinahan who is still in this area

2241
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,599
Speaker 2: of the world, in the shadows and is still trying

2242
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 2: to some degree to get boxing off the ground. After

2243
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 2: the Probellum you know, promotion went sideways and the travel

2244
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 2: ban on the Furies, that they could be somehow behind

2245
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 2: this too. And but the whole deal is if you

2246
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 2: can get six people to say yes, and these six

2247
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 2: people who want to make a stupid career high payday,

2248
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 2: and what would be for all of them, you know,

2249
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 2: really really big fights. They there's rumors that this Saudi

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01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 2: Arabian promotion is now on the verge of signing both

2251
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 2: Wilder and Devin Haney, So they want to be a

2252
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 2: major player in this game. What like that the one

2253
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 2: thing we don't have in boxing or really MMA, although

2254
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 2: I do think there are UFC majors, right, similar to golf,

2255
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 2: horse racing, tennis having these three four times a year,

2256
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 2: just this can't miss event. We don't have that in

2257
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 2: boxing because promoters don't work together. But promoters are willing

2258
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 2: to work together when there's stupid money at stake. See

2259
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 2: Mayweather Pakiao, see Joshua Klitschko, see the rare times you know.

2260
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 2: I mean the Fury Versus Wild series was less two.

2261
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 2: We're two major networks coming together. All of these people

2262
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 2: seem willing to either sign with the Saudi Arabia promotion

2263
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 2: or do this. This could be a Super Bowl Night

2264
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 2: close a close up on the heavyweight division, right. I mean,

2265
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 2: the and Gano thing is like this weird sort of

2266
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,720
Speaker 2: carnival offering that you got to see, and then you

2267
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 2: have like this final four and heavyweight in one of

2268
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 2: the fights being the first four belt undisputed champion that

2269
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 2: you can crown with two unbeaten future Hall of famers. Look. Mikey,

2270
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 2: our producer, sent through an interesting question. I mean, if

2271
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 2: this card goes off or let's say not even the

2272
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 2: full card, just if we close this year with Usik

2273
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 2: versus Fury for all four belts. Could this be the

2274
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 2: biggest boxing year since what? Well, there's been some really

2275
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 2: big years in recent Menmory twenty fifteen is one of

2276
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 2: them because you had Mayweather Pachio, but I don't think

2277
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:52,799
Speaker 2: the consistency across the board was necessarily on this level.

2278
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen was huge. The reason why is because Al

2279
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,600
Speaker 2: Hayman took everybody he had at HBO, brought him to

2280
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 2: Showtime and suddenly you had this HBO versus Showtime war

2281
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 2: and they were competing and making huge fights. Is why

2282
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:08,639
Speaker 2: competition is great for fans, whether it's boxing over MMA,

2283
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 2: because everybody has to raise their game. Look at pro

2284
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 2: wrestling in their late nineties in that regard. I mean

2285
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven is sort of in my modern

2286
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 2: fandom the one I look back to, where it was

2287
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 2: just big fight after big fight, unbeaten champion versus unbeaten challenger,

2288
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 2: and fights you had to see. This calendar year could

2289
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 2: be bananas at the end of it if we close

2290
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 2: with this and all we have to do is get

2291
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 2: people who have already committed to spending a stupid amount

2292
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 2: of money, meaning Saudi Arabia and the promotion that they've started,

2293
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 2: and you have to get these six people to say yes.

2294
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 2: The fact that this hasn't gone away, that's the key

2295
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 2: I think we may see this. It's not that there

2296
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,639
Speaker 2: haven't always been a rumor of a Middle East fight.

2297
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 2: Bob barham mused to always say, well, Manny Pacio could

2298
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 2: be facing American next if they can find that money

2299
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 2: in the sand. And it's kind of become a joke

2300
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 2: that there'd always be big rumors of investors, but they

2301
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't come through. Whoever, these new investors are in this

2302
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 2: want for Saudi Arabia to change its public image. And

2303
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:05,759
Speaker 2: yes there's some sports washing in that, but look at WWE.

2304
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 2: They do about two to three events per year in

2305
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, rumored to bake fifty million per event. We

2306
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 2: know Joshua got eighty five million. Could they do this

2307
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 2: as a one night power statement to say we're going

2308
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 2: to put on a boxing super Bowl and oh, by

2309
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,679
Speaker 2: the way, we're trying to sign these guys as well

2310
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:24,839
Speaker 2: to our own promotion. I'm not saying that Saudi Arabia

2311
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 2: or the UAE could become the new Las Vegas, where

2312
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 2: all the big fights go there. But I'm not saying

2313
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 2: the groundwork isn't being laid out right in front of us,

2314
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 2: that that could possibly be down the road a reality

2315
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 2: or a fifty percent reality or whatever. There's real things

2316
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 2: going on in Saudi Arabia and by extension, that area

2317
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 2: that combat sports fans need to pay attention to. I

2318
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 2: think this is very, very possible, Luke Thomas, and I

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01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:50,600
Speaker 2: want you to. I want to ask you, though we

2320
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 2: don't know the financial specifics, but is this the right

2321
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 2: fight for Angano to scratch off the bucket list? We

2322
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 2: thought it would be Wilder or Fury or Joshua. If

2323
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 2: it's Derek Jhesora under these circumstances, does that look like

2324
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 2: a strong move after you know, going through hell to

2325
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 2: get out of the UFC deal.

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01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: If the Saudis are paying for it? Yeah, Like, okay,

2327
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 1: let's let's be honest. They paid Joshua eighty five million

2328
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: right to fight Ruiz. How much would the Saudis pay

2329
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,679
Speaker 1: in Ganu to fight Chezora? Twenty millions? Ound enough? Twenty

2330
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 1: five million?

2331
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:19,679
Speaker 2: Sure?

2332
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: Right, mission accomplished, Mission accomplished. The whole point is yes.

2333
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 1: For my satisfaction, I think for the audience's satisfaction, we

2334
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 1: would want to see him against a bigger name a

2335
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 1: Joshua A. Wilder, a Fury. Fair Enough, I'm not telling

2336
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:37,719
Speaker 1: the fans that they have to feel as excited about

2337
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Fury excuse me about Francis fighting Chizora as they would

2338
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 1: about Francis fighting Wilder, because I'm telling you I'm not.

2339
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way. I would much rather see

2340
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,680
Speaker 1: him fight Wilder or the other names it mentioned. But

2341
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 1: if you're Francis and this is the fight game, and

2342
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: it's to get paid, and you've taken all this risk,

2343
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 1: and you know, again whether you want to do business

2344
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: with the Saudi government whatever is up to you. But like,

2345
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,680
Speaker 1: just in terms of those other aforementioned goals, where you

2346
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 1: could now be getting a twenty thirty million dollar pay

2347
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 1: day and then go back to MMA, dude, like, where

2348
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 1: were you going to get a thirty million dollar pay

2349
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:10,160
Speaker 1: day in MMA? Under UFC? You were never going to

2350
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 1: get it. Now, maybe you could get that if you

2351
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 1: got all of your fights won and whatever and over time,

2352
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,599
Speaker 1: but like in a single night, there's just no way

2353
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 1: that's possible. So to me, that would be that would

2354
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: be Francis very much. Achieving that would be underwhelming for

2355
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:28,760
Speaker 1: the fans, but Francis's own considerations, it'd be a huge win,

2356
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 1: big win.

2357
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 2: This might really happen. And I get if anyone pisses

2358
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 2: on this for Francis, but you have to understand the

2359
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 2: tight window. He'd rather have Fury, but a Fury's gonna

2360
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 2: get ridiculous money to get the defining fight of his career.

2361
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 2: He's not going to get him before next year, which

2362
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 2: is when Francis has already committed to PFL to accept

2363
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 2: all this money to come make that debut early on.

2364
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 2: And if you can't get wilder're and Joshua because they're

2365
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 2: going to fight each other, why not get the money?

2366
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 2: And you are in there against a respectable name. But look,

2367
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 2: you're in there against an end of career Derek Tsora.

2368
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,639
Speaker 2: Francis's power mean this could be competitive? We don't.

2369
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 1: Well that's the other part too. It's exactly right. So like, okay, BC,

2370
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 1: like gun to your head, you would pick Chisora to win, right,

2371
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 1: you would pick him to win.

2372
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 2: Okay, let's put respect on Cizoro. I think it was

2373
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 2: three fights ago he gave Alexander Hussik a tough night

2374
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 2: out in what was real US's real heavyweight debut, right, fair.

2375
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: Enough, no doubt about it. But he's you know, what

2376
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 1: makes Chizora like actually an interesting case in this fight again,

2377
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 1: not for me over Wilder or something, but interesting is

2378
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 1: he's a he's a knucklehead, like, he's kind of crazy,

2379
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 1: he's a little bit out there. He's a big time puncher.

2380
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:39,760
Speaker 1: He's shown to be I think, pretty durable for the

2381
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 1: most part, and he's kind of in your face a

2382
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 1: little bit. I think that could be interesting to a degree.

2383
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: Interesting insofar as MMA boxing crossover fight opponents go. Again,

2384
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 1: I would still favorite Cheezora, but could Francis overperform in

2385
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: a fight like that, Yeah, here's a there's actually a

2386
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,639
Speaker 1: respectable chance of that happening, I suppose, And like.

2387
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 2: We just speculated and throughout a number. If it is

2388
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 2: twenty million, heck, if it's ten million, if it's anything, right, Luke,

2389
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,759
Speaker 2: it's his entire UFC earnings times you know, two three four. However,

2390
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:14,600
Speaker 2: it is in one night, and he gets to go

2391
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty four when PFL kicks off this

2392
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 2: new year. And oh, by the way, Ariel Hawani also

2393
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:22,639
Speaker 2: reporting that PFL is back in the picture of being

2394
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:26,120
Speaker 2: one of the potential suitors to buy belatour that we are.

2395
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think you can hate on any

2396
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 2: part of this in that regard. But Luke, final question,

2397
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 2: I tease it. I threw it up there, dude. If

2398
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three has all the fights we mentioned earlier,

2399
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 2: Tank versus Ryan Spence versus Crawford, a new way full

2400
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 2: and I mean, like, dude, like all all of these

2401
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 2: that are happening Morele Benavitez, Charlo Canelo, and we close

2402
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 2: the year with this tripleheader maybe boxing. I mean, you

2403
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 2: know that you can ever get too excited, because boxing

2404
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,680
Speaker 2: will always get you the next year. They'll always come

2405
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 2: back around again a kick you in the crotch. I

2406
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 2: might stop talking bad about my first life, Luke. This

2407
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 2: is a great year. What a year, What a year.

2408
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 1: Year. It's it's easy to bag on boxing for good reasons,

2409
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 1: for good reasons, like it's not Is it hard to

2410
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: make a strong criticism of the industry. Absolutely not so easy.

2411
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,720
Speaker 1: But there are times when it overperforms, and there are

2412
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: times when it's hot. And right now, right now, it

2413
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,679
Speaker 1: is scalding hot with the potential to get lava hot

2414
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: by the end of the year. Pretty damn good time

2415
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: disputed decisions.

2416
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 2: Even with that roly stoppage and all the bs that happens,

2417
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 2: it's still rolling on. You know, styles make fights. So,

2418
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 2: like I said, Gisora did give Who's Sick a tough

2419
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,479
Speaker 2: night in his second heavyweight fight, which was really his

2420
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 2: real heavyweight debut after that first ho Home one. But

2421
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, these three fights would kill I mean,

2422
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 2: we none even talking about it. Dude. AJ versus Wilder

2423
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 2: at this point would be you have no idea what

2424
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 2: that looks like. Like that'd be wild.

2425
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 1: It would be, honestly would But this is my point,

2426
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 1: b See, like it's just it's even with all the

2427
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 1: money in the world, it's been really hard to make

2428
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 1: Usik versus Fuelry. It's been really hard. And then you're

2429
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 1: going to add an AJ fight and then you're gonna

2430
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:06,600
Speaker 1: add a Chisora and I'm not wild I'm sorry, but

2431
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 1: Francis and Ghanu fight on top of it. It's like

2432
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 1: it sounds nice, sounds great, that seems that seems like

2433
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 1: an uphill climb to me.

2434
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 2: No, there they're spending a.

2435
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 1: Lot, they are spending a ship load.

2436
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 2: Over the We're not afraid to spend that. Let's close Luke,

2437
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 2: this great Friday show with this segment where we give

2438
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 2: you an email address Morning Combat at gmail dot com

2439
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 2: and mikey moremile at the end of that road to

2440
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 2: send in your corrections. Right, every newspaper had a correction section.

2441
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 2: We're not always right speaking into this microphone twelve hours.

2442
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 1: Usually, I mean, look at our Oka bet records BC.

2443
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 1: We're usually wrong.

2444
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes we're accidentally racing it. I mean, but I

2445
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 2: don't know, Luke. Sometimes we say bullshit on here. We

2446
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:50,640
Speaker 2: get our facts wrong, but we stand trial for it though,

2447
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 2: unlike other shows, to find out if we really was

2448
01:52:53,920 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 2: dead wrong. Uh oom, smoke on the water, Yes, a

2449
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 2: fire in Luke's dungarees. Luke, you missed like the last

2450
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 2: twelve minutes of our pre show meeting. You were just

2451
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,879
Speaker 2: probably taking an ice pick to the porcelain in your life.

2452
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 1: And just tearing it up right, Yes, I absolutely had.

2453
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 1: Uh I just destroyed that commote, I mean absolutely bunker.

2454
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 2: How did you tell the people what happened to the

2455
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 2: end of our editorial meeting yesterday?

2456
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 1: Well, I can't tell you because I can only tell

2457
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 1: you about my end. But BC was just jawing on

2458
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 1: and on ad nausea and was adding nothing interesting to

2459
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: the conversation and I had to take a dump, so

2460
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 1: I said, fellas, can we end this call so I

2461
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 1: can go and answer this shit attack that I'm having

2462
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: at the present moment, and they agreed that it was

2463
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 1: a good time to end the interviewer. So really, what

2464
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:48,600
Speaker 1: you should be saying, BC is you're welcome. Oh yes, yes, yes,

2465
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 1: You're welcome to your thank.

2466
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:53,080
Speaker 2: You dead Wrong number one was written in by Austin,

2467
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:55,679
Speaker 2: Christopher and Chewie. I'm not sure which one wrote this message,

2468
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 2: but here we go, good morning to the best damn

2469
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 2: award winning MMA podcast worldwide. I guess it's Austin who

2470
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 2: wrote this. I hate doing this thing, guys. But Brian

2471
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,680
Speaker 2: on Wednesday show during fan subs at one hour and

2472
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:10,720
Speaker 2: forty minutes, called out a Halloween T shirt that Norwegian

2473
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 2: dad and his sons were wearing and that fan sub

2474
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 2: and said Jason instead of the iconic Michael Myers. This

2475
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 2: is absolute blasphemy and worst of all, Luke just sat

2476
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 2: there with no connection to it and just let it go.

2477
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 2: I was upset for the rest of the show, but

2478
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 2: eventually got over it. Had to point it out. And

2479
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 2: one more thing, Hey, looke, watch fight Club for God's sake.

2480
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing that you haven't.

2481
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,920
Speaker 1: It is it is, I will tell both of us

2482
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 1: have to take an l on this one for different reasons,

2483
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 1: but I will BC. It is in every way an

2484
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 1: indictment on me. That I've never seen Fight Club beginning

2485
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 1: to end really is pathetic. I have to be honest

2486
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 1: about that.

2487
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 2: That was one of the most incredible in theater experiences

2488
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 2: I ever had.

2489
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 1: I all, you know what the problem is. I will

2490
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:54,160
Speaker 1: tell you the problem. I figured it out. I guess

2491
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 1: if movies were being released when I was actually on duty,

2492
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 1: a Marine Corps duty, I never actually ended up seeing

2493
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:03,600
Speaker 1: them like so, for example, I was a boot camp.

2494
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 1: I think when Blair Witch Project came out, never seen it,

2495
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 1: never seen.

2496
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 2: It, Well, don't watch it now because you can only

2497
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 2: really see it under the cloud of the cool way

2498
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:16,080
Speaker 2: they used to promote it where you weren't really sure

2499
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 2: if it was real or not, and then you went

2500
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 2: to the theater like that that produced that. But dude,

2501
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 2: I went to Fight Club on shrooms and didn't realize

2502
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 2: like an hour after leaving the theater, that it was

2503
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 2: like not real life, that it was just a movie,

2504
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 2: like I had an experience. Look, that's a great movie

2505
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:30,640
Speaker 2: to have an experience.

2506
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 1: I know you feel bad. I feel like I'm missing

2507
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:34,000
Speaker 1: out anyway.

2508
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:36,400
Speaker 2: Have you ever been experienced? Okay, I'll take the l

2509
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 2: there that. Yeah, that's clearly Jason. Not Jason, it's Michael Myers.

2510
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 2: I love Halloween too, in the in the did you

2511
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:45,080
Speaker 2: see the last one? Not yet, but I do. I

2512
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 2: do get around to seeing all of them. I love it.

2513
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:47,360
Speaker 2: It's great.

2514
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 1: I do. Actually among I'm not a Freddy Krueger guy,

2515
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 1: even though I know he's a big eighties nineties kind

2516
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 1: of thing. But uh, Jason Vorhees, I'm big on Michael Myers.

2517
01:55:57,320 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm big on yeah. Yeah.

2518
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:01,880
Speaker 2: What about the guy with all the pins in his face?

2519
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 1: Not a pinhead guy?

2520
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 2: Not a pinhead guy at all. No, no, or do

2521
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:09,960
Speaker 2: you get down with killer clowns from outer space kkots

2522
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 2: or kats whatever it is.

2523
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 1: I will tell you this much, dude. I've said this

2524
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,120
Speaker 1: to you before. You've never stayed at Circus Circus in

2525
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 1: Las Vegas.

2526
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:19,920
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I need to I need to.

2527
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: Bro, you need to go just one night just to

2528
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 1: see what I'm talking about. It is. I was never

2529
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 1: this guy, like you know how much we always grew

2530
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 1: up people like dude, I'm really afraid of clowns. And

2531
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not. You're just saying that to get

2532
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 1: attention because you're a loser and there's nothing interesting about

2533
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 1: your personal Okay. But then, but then I stayed at

2534
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: Circus Circus, you know, and they have a twenty four

2535
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 1: seven channel which doesn't but clown shit all the time,

2536
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 1: and there's clown stuff in your room, there's clown stuff everywhere,

2537
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 1: like it's a clown hotel. After that, I was like, yo,

2538
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 1: we need to just abolish clown them from human existence.

2539
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: Just stricking it from the record.

2540
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 2: How about this for an MK reality show spin off?

2541
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 2: You me and chill Son and get a room at

2542
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 2: Circus Circus. We mix our meds and then we just

2543
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 2: go on a joy ride of beating people up in

2544
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 2: the hallway. S Lucas. That only for the luxer And

2545
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't have said that publicly, but I think

2546
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 2: it hit pretty good though it may have been worth

2547
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 2: it all right, Luke, let's keep the dead RUMs going.

2548
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's your best joke in ages, woe.

2549
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,320
Speaker 2: I felt bad letting it out. This one's from dad.

2550
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 1: That's how you know it was good. That's how.

2551
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Aloha again, Donks. This is from Daz from Hawaii.

2552
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 2: On the second og RSD that you recently put out

2553
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 2: at forty one minutes, Luke mentions that men Sue Kim

2554
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 2: as a former MMA opponent to brock Lesner, but he

2555
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,840
Speaker 2: mentioned that Kim's accolade of being a silver medallist in

2556
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:47,839
Speaker 2: judo came quote out of Japan. Obviously no Korea.

2557
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 1: What am I saying time.

2558
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 2: For your risen rise in moment? As he is not

2559
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:56,080
Speaker 2: from Japan, but in your words obviously he was. He's

2560
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,919
Speaker 2: really from South Korea. Would expect more from a worldly

2561
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 2: traveler like yourself. Nevertheless, I remain a loyal don't donk,

2562
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 2: and I'm grateful for the content.

2563
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. I mean I can't believe I said that,

2564
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 1: because if you got the last name Kim, I mean

2565
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:10,880
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, that's like one chance you're Korean, right,

2566
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 1: Like that's like the most Korean last name. So yeah,

2567
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 1: I fucked that one up.

2568
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:17,320
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's like being the last name Santos in my hometown.

2569
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:22,040
Speaker 2: Look your Portuguese, right, we have basically, yeah, basically we have. Danbury,

2570
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 2: Connecticut has a monster Portuguese establishment, which is why Glover

2571
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 2: moved there. But Naugata, Connecticut gets down with the Portuguese.

2572
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:31,160
Speaker 1: To when you say Portuguese you mean like like you mean,

2573
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 1: you don't mean like Brazilian, you mean from Portugal.

2574
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 2: The real Portuguese people in my town hated the Brazilians

2575
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 2: that were also in my town. They they you know

2576
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:41,839
Speaker 2: what I mean. My Portuguese culture is overwhelming in Naugatuck, Connecticut,

2577
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 2: and I was. I was here for it growing up.

2578
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,160
Speaker 2: I didn't need to didn't know that, I didn't need

2579
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 2: to heal much, but I did avoid soccer at all costs,

2580
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, and and Honda's. But that's all right. Look,

2581
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 2: let's keep it going here. This one's from Devin today.

2582
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:56,440
Speaker 2: While discussing Youel Romero's Bellator record, BC said that he's

2583
01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 2: two and oh with two finishes. Yeah, I got that wrong.

2584
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 2: He's actually two one in Belator. This was entering, by

2585
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 2: the way, the nemcoll fight because he had that weirdest

2586
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,640
Speaker 2: heck fight with Phil Davis after saying that he thought

2587
01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 2: the fight was five rounds. You remember that three round fight, Luke,

2588
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:11,240
Speaker 2: and then Romero.

2589
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:14,320
Speaker 1: I never understood why Belator made that fight. I was

2590
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 1: just like, I don't at all.

2591
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 2: I was dead wrong right there. Okay, Luke was racist

2592
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 2: in the last one. I was dead wrong.

2593
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 1: That wasn't well.

2594
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,440
Speaker 2: Speaking of racism, Luke. We got a lot of letters

2595
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 2: about this. Here's here's one of them from a man

2596
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:32,120
Speaker 2: named Thomas on the nine you know what's coming, Luke?

2597
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 2: Do you know what's coming?

2598
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 1: No? I don't. I don't, okay.

2599
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 2: On the June nineteenth episode of Morning Combat, at two

2600
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 2: hours and thirteen minutes, Luke said that you guys are

2601
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 2: quote out there slaving, meaning us in reference in reference

2602
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:50,400
Speaker 2: to all the people who got to be off on

2603
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 2: June teenth, a day really acknowledged by the US government

2604
01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 2: as a national holiday to celebrate Sea of slavery in

2605
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 2: the US. Luke Thomas goes on to give four sentences

2606
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:05,120
Speaker 2: of official details of why this is such an important holiday,

2607
02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:07,360
Speaker 2: which it is, and I shout out to Juneteenth all

2608
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:10,360
Speaker 2: the way before the leading up to children held in

2609
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:13,680
Speaker 2: bondage after the Emancipation Proclamation of eighteen sixty three. He

2610
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 2: goes deep here, Luke.

2611
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes deep, but.

2612
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 2: He says, Luke typically knocks it out of the park.

2613
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:21,720
Speaker 2: But in the world of the delightfully punctual Lauren Hill,

2614
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:24,800
Speaker 2: you might win some, but you just lost one.

2615
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah the show. Yeah, So, as soon as the show

2616
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:30,000
Speaker 1: was over, a buddy of mine, I'll say his first name,

2617
02:00:30,040 --> 02:00:34,720
Speaker 1: he's an African American gentleman, Raphael Rafael email me. He's

2618
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 1: like he texted me, He's like, do you know what

2619
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 1: you just said? I'm like, oh God, what did I say?

2620
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 1: And then he quoted that he goes, you said you

2621
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 1: were slaving on Juneteenth, and I was like, no, fuck me.

2622
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:51,880
Speaker 1: He was laughing about it, but yeah, yeah, probably could

2623
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,879
Speaker 1: have chosen a better way to describe.

2624
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 2: Finally, finally you have your rise in moment, Luke. But

2625
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 2: both of us in these cases can only apologie, wasn't

2626
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 2: meaning what you thought we were meaning.

2627
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely definitely was not.

2628
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:06,000
Speaker 2: I didn't get officially dead wronged here, but I got

2629
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 2: enough tweets and I get it. I talked about the

2630
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:12,080
Speaker 2: idea of Angela Lee, the one Adam Wait champion, who

2631
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:14,840
Speaker 2: is stepping aside right now after the loss of her sister,

2632
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:19,200
Speaker 2: and I apparently the family hasn't formally released the cause

2633
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:22,880
Speaker 2: of death, which I speculated incorrectly there or prematurely without

2634
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:25,480
Speaker 2: knowing the facts about how her younger sister died and

2635
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:29,080
Speaker 2: how that will lead to her fighting future. Full respects

2636
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 2: obviously of the family and one Championship for that misstep,

2637
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 2: but yeah, a lot of sensitivity on that situation, Luke.

2638
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:37,880
Speaker 2: I hope Angela Lebi's the best decision for her and

2639
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 2: her family.

2640
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:41,040
Speaker 1: Tough situation, I know. I think we all kind of

2641
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:43,000
Speaker 1: assume something, but you're to your point, we haven't had

2642
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:45,880
Speaker 1: it like confirmed, and so for that reason, a little

2643
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 1: bit of caution is is due.

2644
02:01:47,120 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, can't wait for that Stamp fight, Justine. Did

2645
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:52,080
Speaker 2: you ever see, by the way, Stamp Fairtex's versus Angela

2646
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:54,080
Speaker 2: Lee for that one adam Way Championship.

2647
02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:55,560
Speaker 1: Have you ever didn't watch it live? But I've gone

2648
02:01:55,600 --> 02:01:56,120
Speaker 1: back and seen it.

2649
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, hell of a fight, height, great fight.

2650
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really I mean. Now, her brother, Christian Lee

2651
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 1: looks like he does want to come back to action.

2652
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 1: You would understand it if either of him never wanted

2653
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:10,640
Speaker 1: to come back for their own reasons, but Christian Lee

2654
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:12,320
Speaker 1: does want to come back and he obviously was a

2655
02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:15,960
Speaker 1: champ champ, so I think he still might be. I'm

2656
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:17,560
Speaker 1: not sure what the kind of situation with him is,

2657
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:19,920
Speaker 1: but so I'm happy to see him back. But you know,

2658
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:23,240
Speaker 1: terrible situation.

2659
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 2: Terrible indeed, thank you folks for tuning in for this

2660
02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,840
Speaker 2: best two hours of year week probably maybe hopefully.

2661
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:31,320
Speaker 1: Be see here. I want to ask you, can we

2662
02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:36,200
Speaker 1: talk real quickly before we go about this submarine that imploded?

2663
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Keep him A just laughed at the response to that.

2664
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 1: Look a well, dude, A couple of things. You grew

2665
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:45,240
Speaker 1: up in the eighties like me. Yeah, do you not

2666
02:02:45,400 --> 02:02:49,560
Speaker 1: remember the jokes about Sally Ride after the Challenger shuttle

2667
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:50,360
Speaker 1: blowing up.

2668
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:52,080
Speaker 2: All that she wasn't on that shuttle? But yeah, I

2669
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:54,560
Speaker 2: remember there were I mean, this is us culture. We

2670
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 2: make jokes about everything. Luke I had to be reprimanded

2671
02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:58,920
Speaker 2: for my Dale Senior bit twenty years later.

2672
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:02,480
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so people just make jokes about it. Here's

2673
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:04,400
Speaker 1: the part that I just can't get or I just

2674
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit confused about. Apparently the Navy knew

2675
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:11,200
Speaker 1: instantly that the shit had imploded, because they've got some

2676
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:14,280
Speaker 1: technology that like picked up the thing and then Apparently

2677
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:18,160
Speaker 1: after they were monitoring it, they hear the implosion, and

2678
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:21,200
Speaker 1: the person who was monitoring it told his superiors about it,

2679
02:03:21,200 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 1: who then got on the horn everybody else. They just

2680
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:25,160
Speaker 1: let us believe that these fuckers were at the bottom

2681
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:28,640
Speaker 1: of the ocean like SpongeBob SquarePants, waiting on a you know,

2682
02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:32,600
Speaker 1: a lift out of there, like a ride to somewhere else.

2683
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:34,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you fucking guys knew they were dead

2684
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:35,120
Speaker 1: this whole time.

2685
02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:38,040
Speaker 2: So this was a Pat Tillman situation in some ways,

2686
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:40,000
Speaker 2: Lucas that have to get edited out by showtime.

2687
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, you know, there was a lot

2688
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:43,920
Speaker 1: of attention paid to a bunch of dudes who'd been incinerated.

2689
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:47,680
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean, look, it's tragedy five people, but

2690
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 2: that nothing about this video game controlled submarine trip down

2691
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:54,240
Speaker 2: to the depths of the bottom of the ocean felt safe.

2692
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean, well, dude, this is what I didn't realize,

2693
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:58,880
Speaker 1: James Cameron. So they were trying to go. I guess

2694
02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 1: they made it two thirds of the way down, so

2695
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:02,160
Speaker 1: they didn't make it to twelve thousand feet. I guess

2696
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:04,240
Speaker 1: they made it's to like, you know, closer to eight

2697
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 1: or nine and I gain it's hard to know exactly

2698
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:11,600
Speaker 1: precisely how far they made it, but uh, pretty far down, dude.

2699
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:13,360
Speaker 1: If they had made to twelve thousand, which is twelve

2700
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:18,040
Speaker 1: thousand feet which is where the Titanic is, you know,

2701
02:04:18,120 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 1: the pounds per square inch, there would have been like

2702
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 1: six thousand in like basically every direction like this insane pressure, dude,

2703
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:26,480
Speaker 1: James Cameron in like real shit like that that you know,

2704
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:28,280
Speaker 1: someone didn't build in the parking lot of a home

2705
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:33,160
Speaker 1: depot has been down to thirty five thousand feet, three

2706
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:36,920
Speaker 1: times that amount, and I think so. My thought is, like, dude,

2707
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 1: if you've got two hundred and fifty grand to buy

2708
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:42,840
Speaker 1: a ticket to go down, you couldn't. You couldn't get

2709
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,120
Speaker 1: the one they used, like the Xbox and not the

2710
02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:48,640
Speaker 1: not the PlayStation controller. Like if money is no object,

2711
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:50,560
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing with these guys? You know?

2712
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:54,400
Speaker 2: Look, you're right, And I could go another twenty five

2713
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 2: minutes on that topic, but did you want to close

2714
02:04:56,160 --> 02:04:57,800
Speaker 2: with MMA breaking news?

2715
02:04:58,600 --> 02:04:59,440
Speaker 1: Sure what you got.

2716
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:03,560
Speaker 2: August twenty sixth Ant's friend of the program, Anthony Smith

2717
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 2: going to run it back and rematch Ryan Span in Singapore.

2718
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:08,920
Speaker 2: You down for that Mike Boone and Nolan King reporting

2719
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:09,760
Speaker 2: from him and mid Junkie.

2720
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:16,400
Speaker 1: Really yeah, that dude Smith beat the shit out of him. Yeah,

2721
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 1: didn't Smith stop him inside of a round?

2722
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. He made me look bad for saying that

2723
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:22,560
Speaker 2: fight was not must CTV at all.

2724
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:27,800
Speaker 1: I guess they want to run it back, Okay.

2725
02:05:27,480 --> 02:05:30,800
Speaker 2: And I believe I'm being told that. Oh my god.

2726
02:05:30,840 --> 02:05:35,720
Speaker 2: That same night in Singapore, reports are telling us Aaron

2727
02:05:35,720 --> 02:05:40,240
Speaker 2: Blanchfield against Tyler Santos, that's a hell of a fight.

2728
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:42,000
Speaker 1: That was the one she was supposed to have when

2729
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:45,200
Speaker 1: she was on RSD remember every.

2730
02:05:45,560 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 2: Yep Singapore, the Max Holloway TKZ card. Okay, ufc IS

2731
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:54,560
Speaker 2: is stepping up and giving us, giving us what giveness,

2732
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:55,960
Speaker 2: what we want here, Luke. Okay, they had us a

2733
02:05:55,960 --> 02:05:58,560
Speaker 2: little couple of months. Maybe it goes unexplained forever. Maybe

2734
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:02,080
Speaker 2: it's the business. Maybe people weren't agreeing to fights. Either way,

2735
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 2: they're putting their money where their mouth is, and combat

2736
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:07,480
Speaker 2: sports is gonna be great the next six months. Okay.

2737
02:06:07,560 --> 02:06:09,160
Speaker 1: Wow, I hope, I hope.

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Speaker 2: Wow. All right, can't wait. That fight needs to happen, right,

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Speaker 2: we gotta find I mean, it's tough for Blanchefield beating

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Speaker 2: Andred in the way Androge and the way she did,

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Speaker 2: you know, was a powerful statement. But now we got

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Speaker 2: to think about this. We've got Rose versus pharaoah, We've

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Speaker 2: got Blanchefield versus Santos, and we've got the rematch Grasso Chefchenko,

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna have all the answers we want, what

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02:06:32,200 --> 02:06:34,480
Speaker 2: we want and need here in this in this suddenly

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Speaker 2: really good division. Damn, this is great. What a what

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Speaker 2: a development?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if like on we

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Speaker 1: also I did the same thing as you right where

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Speaker 1: it's Demetrius Andred, yes, and it's Jessica Androge and you

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02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 1: have to kind of go back and forth. But I

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Speaker 1: don't mind the fight. I like the fight. But I

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Speaker 1: thought after the on the Androge win that, uh, I

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Speaker 1: thought they might have given her a title fight right away.

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Speaker 2: So to be fair, dude, Tyler who was hurt, never

2756
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:05,320
Speaker 2: got the immediate rematch, never got anything, so you know,

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02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 2: you can't give her just some nobody. So this is

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02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:10,600
Speaker 2: kind of perfect. I'm down for this match. There's aggressive matchmaking,

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Speaker 2: give me that shit. This is better than all these

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02:07:13,160 --> 02:07:14,800
Speaker 2: This is good, this is I'm happy.

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Speaker 1: This is this is better? This is better?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you, thank you for your patronage.

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Speaker 2: That's great, Luke, And then you know you can check

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Speaker 2: us out Saturday evening six thirty pm Eastern Time on

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Speaker 2: the Showtime Sports YouTube channel. Luke Thomas and I hosting

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Speaker 2: Showtime Boxing Countdown. We have a triple header of fights,

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Speaker 2: but good names in these fights too, and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: set the stage and build toward the triple header on

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Speaker 2: Showtime Championship Boxing later in that evening. Carlos adamis versus

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Speaker 2: Julian j Rock Williams, and it's an interim title in WBC,

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Speaker 2: but with Jamal Charlow potentially moving up to one sixty

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Speaker 2: eight for good. We don't know that yet. This could

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Speaker 2: be a you know, this is a full championship fight

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Speaker 2: in waiting right here, so we'll see what happens. That's

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. I'm BC sho out out to Long Island,

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02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:03,560
Speaker 2: Luke Afney, Pierre, Mike Moore, Mile behind the scenes. We

2777
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:07,000
Speaker 2: love you folks. Take care of yourselves, guys, Mental health Fridays. Okay,

2778
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:08,920
Speaker 2: let's put it together. We can do this one step

2779
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:11,320
Speaker 2: at a time. Luke Thomas. A message for people heading

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Speaker 2: into this great weekend.

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Speaker 1: We will see everyone tomorrow b CS. He indicated b

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Speaker 1: C and I were going to be in studio some

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02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:20,520
Speaker 1: fun coverage for you there and yeah it rolls on.

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02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,360
Speaker 1: So we are going to be busy and together in

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Speaker 1: studio tomorrow. And oh we're gonna have We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: some extra recording tomorrow for some big fights coming up

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Speaker 1: with some friends. We might show.

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02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 2: You might see this hat there, you might, right.

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Speaker 1: You might, you might. So we got your stuff coming.

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Speaker 2: What if I told you the next six months will

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Speaker 2: be the greatest time in our career.

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Speaker 1: Loop, I would be beyond delighted to hear that. I

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02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:44,640
Speaker 1: would especially given where we've been the last couple of months.

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Speaker 1: I would love to know that and to hear that big.

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Speaker 2: Thanks coming, how big safreddie big, Yes, stay tuned all

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Speaker 2: right for Roco. That's b CNLT. We are out of here.