1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and show Getty. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: Arms Strong and Katte and he Armstrong and Yetty. 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: I know how the public is going to be react. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: He is going to react because I felt my own reaction. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: You know, I've spent years looking at videos of lethal 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: action taken often in the terrorism context, and this video 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: was profoundly shaking, shaken, and I think it's important for 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: Americans to see it. 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: So that's another Democrat who saw the video of that 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: second strike on the boat and the two dudes in 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: the water, who was disturbed, highly disturbed. 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: Then he got Senator Tom Cotton on one of the 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: Sunday shows yesterday. He also saw the video. 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: They were not floating in the ocean on a wooden 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 4: playing or in life jackets. They were on the capsized vessel. 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: They were not incapacitated in any way. It was entirely 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 4: appropriate to strike the boat again to make sure that 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 4: it was cargo was destroyed. It is in no way 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 4: violation of the law of war. And I think the 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 4: Washington Post O Secretary Hexatt and especially Admiral Mitch Bradley 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: a highly decorated career Navy seal, and apology for that slander. 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: Not two guys in distress floating along hanging on to 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: a piece of wood. According to Tom Cotton, well, let's 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: here yet another point of view. This is representative Adam Smith, 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: he was on ABC this week, Cut fifty one. 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 5: Senator Cotton's description of it is simply not accurate. When 28 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 5: they were finally taken out, they were trying to flip 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 5: the boat over. The boat was clearly incapacitated. A tiny 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 5: portion of it remained capsized the bow of the boat. 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 5: They had no communications device, certainly they were unarmed. Any 32 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 5: claim that the drugs had somehow survived that attack is 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 5: hard to really square with what we saw. 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: How all these people could have been watching the same video. 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: And then one more, this is the Republican Senator Eric Schmidt, 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: Clip fifty two. 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 6: So President Trump is acting with his core Article two powers. 38 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 6: No serious legal expert would doubt that the president has 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 6: authority to blow NARCO terrorists out of the water who 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 6: are poisoning one hundred thousand Americans every year. And so 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 6: now what we have are Democrats who have such X 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 6: ray vision and clairvoyance that they know the intentions of 43 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 6: narco terrorists on boats, yet we're so blind to see 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 6: that they had a president for four years that was 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 6: operating as a vegetable in Joe Biden. So forgive me 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 6: if I'm a little skeptical that this isn't all about 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 6: politics and trying to take up secretary of HEXP. 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: Obviously I play that for his reasoning of Oh, so 49 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: they can read the mind. 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: Of those people floating in the water, but they couldn't 51 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: tell Joe Biden was senile, vegetable. Vegetable? Why I on 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: a clip thirteen, Michael, let's hear that real quickly. 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 7: This was over the weekend, someone, hope and get back 54 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 7: up and remember who in the hell we are. We're 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 7: the United States of America. That's who we are. 56 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: So while I found that humorous from Senator Schmidt, I 57 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: don't think that's particularly the best argument that leads me 58 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: to believe that you're Your evidence is not that good. 59 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: If you're falling on the Oh. 60 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: You can read the mind of the people flowed in 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: the water, but you couldn't see that Joe Biden was 62 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: a vegetable. 63 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: I'd rather don't attack the particulars of the Yeah, although 64 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: I enjoyed it a great deal. Yeah, yeah, I don't 65 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: feel like this has legs. I'll tell you don't. 66 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, explain to me, because I was about to 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: say Mark Halprin's like Axium six of Washington, d C. 68 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Once there is pressure for something to come out, a 69 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: document or a video or whatever, it will come out. 70 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: It always ends up coming out. Yeah. So if the 71 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: video comes out video. 72 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Number two, well then everybody's gonna see it or either 73 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: gonna agree with Tom Cotton or not, or do you 74 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be one of those things that it's 75 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell what's going on, and you're 76 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: politics lead you to believe whoever you tend to side with. 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think all those things are absolutely correct. 78 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: I would add to it that the professional media pretending 79 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: to be outraged crowd is outraged because they're always outraged. 80 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: But just in my personal experience, I have had virtually 81 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: nobody express a great deal of concern over this. They're like, yeah, 82 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: they're drug cartels in real life. Yeah, a lot. I mean, 83 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: including people who are harshly critical of Trump in a 84 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: lot of ways. I just don't think this has the 85 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: energy it would take to sustain it, and if it 86 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: does the factors you mentioned, and then they you know, 87 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: they blame somebody. They put the goats horns on somebody 88 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: and say, yes, he's been asked to resign. It's full 89 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: pension and everything else, and then it'll go away. That's 90 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: my suspicion. 91 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal says, does the video of the 92 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: second tap show the two survivors waving to the US 93 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: planes for help or signaling to their comrades to save 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: the cargo. 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: That's what it's gonna come down to when the video 96 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: finally comes out. I A the beholder. Yep. 97 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Oh, you can read the mind the two people bobbing 98 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: in the ocean, but you couldn't tell. 99 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: Joe Biden was a vegible for. 100 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 7: The United States of America. 101 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: Got it. That's who we are, the unine in States 102 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: of America, got it? Holy cow. In his big applause line, 103 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: there a vacant rhyme. Why what does he say in 104 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: that other one? 105 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 7: Michael mess for them in awak unless you want to back. 106 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's another good one. It's so argue 107 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: with that. 108 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: The Pentagon and the White House are in discussions about 109 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: releasing the video officials said, though there is no clear 110 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: timeline for its release. If it is, I mean, I 111 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: find it hard to believe it's going to be significantly 112 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: more easy to see what's going on than that first video. 113 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: It's the same camera from the same angle right right, 114 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: so it's going to be kind of hard to tell 115 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: what you're looking at. 116 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: So why don't they just put it out? And you 117 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: can keep making the same arguments. I hate hate when 118 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: I agree with Adam schiff Show, the most dishonest man 119 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: ever to appear in government. He says, look, if the 120 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 2: Pentagon's so proud of its actions, release the video. 121 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even Trump said we ought to put it out. 122 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: We got it, we should put it out. 123 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: Oh Cotton mentions why they might not inclip number forty four. 124 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: I'm told, okay, let's hear it. Do you think that 125 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: the video should be released in full to the American public. 126 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 4: I don't have any problem with it. It's not gruesome. 127 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: I didn't find it distressing or disturbing. It looks like 128 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: any number of dozens of strikes we've seen on jeeps 129 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: and pickup trucks in the Middle East over the years. 130 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 4: I will say that the Department may have valid concerns 131 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 4: about rebelling what we know about tactics and techniques that 132 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 4: these cartels are using, or about our sources of methods, 133 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 4: and I would trust Secretary Hecseth and his team to 134 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 4: make the decision about whether they can be classify and 135 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: release the video. But again, there's nothing remarkabout the video that. 136 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I love Tom Cotton, but yeah, 137 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: we've seen bunches. They've put out a bunch of those videos. 138 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: This is just a follow up. It might show our 139 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: techniques and strategies, and it's going to show a vote 140 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: getting exploded. 141 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: My guess would be that somebody would have to point 142 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: out to you where the two guys are in this picture, 143 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: and then afterwards there's nothing, although I heard one Democrat 144 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: describe it as two people clearly injured clinging to a 145 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: piece of balsa wood, waving for help, and then you 146 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: see an explosion and then the water turns red with blood. 147 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: I know I speak for a lot of people when 148 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: I say it's a little frustrating when you're trying to 149 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: figure out what's actually happening and what's right and what's 150 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: wrong that each side of points like those whoever that was, 151 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: Adam Smith and then Adam Shift. They're on the all right, 152 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: go out there and say this is the most horrible 153 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: and outrageous thing that's ever happened on earth. We'll let 154 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: you know when to stop. And he just can't trust anybody. 155 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: I have no idea if anybuddy who is just quoted 156 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: as being sincere, no idea. The guy sound Joe Biden 157 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: was a vegetable. That much is documented. 158 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 7: You've made it right ritten a long time. 159 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: Yes, the guy sounded sincere who said is the most 160 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: disturbing thing he's ever seen in public life. But I 161 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: just find it hard to believe. I mean, unless you were, 162 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, in the interior department. You don't seem 163 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: any disturbing things or something. 164 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't imagine leaving that shelter to life that. 165 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we've all seen plenty of those drone videos. 166 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: It's the most disturbing thing you've ever seen, a Please, 167 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: I've seen dozens of them. 168 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: Well, and I think it would be you can't even 169 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: tell what you're looking at, then a flash, then whatever 170 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: you were looking at not really there anymore. 171 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's kind of what the video is going 172 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: to look like, well, if it's the flear video with 173 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: the heat what do you call infrared whatever, you can 174 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: see people pretty clearly, and you would see the blood 175 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: and all that. But I mean, he's never seen any 176 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: any Vietnam documentaries or or battle videos or one of 177 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: the dozens of dronings that Barack Obama did with impunity, 178 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: including a US citizen and an underage US citizen. 179 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of getting worked up about this, and 180 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: maybe this makes me a bad person, as you'd point out, 181 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: there are plenty of other things. 182 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: That make me a bad person. So we don't need 183 00:09:54,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: to lean on this. But sure, and I'm perfectly. 184 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: Willing to engage in the conversation of whether or not 185 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: the United States should be doing this and do we 186 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: have the evidence. 187 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: To prove and is it an active war and blah 188 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: blah blah, all that sort of stuff. I'm fine with it. 189 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: And I want constitutionality and I don't want presidents going rogue. 190 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: But just in general, if some guys working on a 191 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: Colombian or a Venezuelan drug boat got blasted, I don't care. 192 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: Maybe I should, but I. 193 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: Just don't care. Yeah, Yeah, you picked a pretty scary 194 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: line of work. Dudes, Well, in these narco states on, 195 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: you know, not far from our borders, in our neighborhood. 196 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: They're a bad thing. They are. That's not something we 197 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: ought to be putting up with. It's difficult to stop. 198 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: But so yeah, like I said before, I just don't 199 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: feel like there's a lot of energy among normal Americans 200 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: who are trying to pay their damn bills and you know, 201 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: worried about the things we tend to worry about. They're 202 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: not outraged by this, They're just not. I mean, it 203 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: wasn't a couple of Nebraska farmers who are trying to 204 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: bring in the harvest and they were accused of tax evasions, 205 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: so he blew the s up them. 206 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: Now, that'd be aggressive policy. 207 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: These are narco terrorists, I know. I said I wouldn't 208 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: use that term because I think it's pre judicial drone stakes. 209 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: A couple of farmers on a tractor because they're back 210 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: behind on their taxes. They ought to check their deductions 211 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: before they signed the form. Huh, that's a I feel 212 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: like that's a very aggressive policy. Yeah, I would agree, 213 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: too aggressive. I don't know. I don't know about the 214 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: video put out. 215 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: The video let us all say I can't even tell 216 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: what's going on there and then move on with our lives, right, 217 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: or say, hey, probably shouldn't have blown the crap out 218 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: of those guys and we'll move on. 219 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: It's you know again, I appreciate your mentioning the constitutionality 220 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: of this and presidents going rogue that sort of thing 221 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: is it's it's serious. As we mentioned earlier in the show. 222 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 2: You know, more people have died at the hands of 223 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: their own government than a foreign power. It's not even 224 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: oh so you want to keep your government in check. 225 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: On the other hand, it reminds me a little of 226 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: the Koshogi thing. But for the rest of my life, 227 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: I'm supposed to have this sainted Islamist as an example 228 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: of why the Saudis can't be trusted. Please. It's a 229 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: monarchy that's caushous descent. They kill people. It's that baked 230 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: into the delicious sandy Saudi cake. You just have to 231 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 2: accept it and go forward. What's best for the country 232 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: moving forward. You can't boohoo over old man Koshogi for 233 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: the rest of your life, with all due respect to 234 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: the horror of his hand. And yeah, the. 235 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: Sauce designed for bones and whatnot. I've got a Santa 236 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: pool for the job. Huh, right tool for the right job. Yes, 237 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: I've got a Santa question preferences that I want to 238 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: get to, among other things on the waist. 239 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 8: There, Columbia Sports where Is introduced a new line of 240 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 8: Star Wars based rain ponchos, like the ones worn by 241 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 8: the Rebels in Return of the Jedi, guaranteed to keep 242 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 8: you and all women dry as hell. 243 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: That's a little naughty, but I got hm mocking the 244 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: sort of person that's into Star Wars and their sexual. 245 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: Proclivities is what that is. So I got a question. 246 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Feels a little dated to me, but I got a 247 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Santa question for you. So there are two kinds of Santas, 248 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: and one kind has been growing a lot over the 249 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: last decades or so. So most of my Santa experience 250 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: growing up, and I'm talking about the Santa you meet 251 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: at the mall, and then also the kind of Christmas 252 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: decorations you have. It was kind of a campy, joky, cartoonish, 253 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: bright red. 254 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: Santa. 255 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: And then you've got the other kind that I usually 256 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: saw in like richer people's houses or whatnot. The much 257 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:13,119 Speaker 1: darker red looks like an Eastern Orthodox priest Santa Father Christmas. 258 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: Is that it more a European Yeah, yeah, that look right? 259 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: Which do you prefer? I go, you're gonna yell at 260 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: me for this because you're a monster. I kind of 261 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: like the variety of cultural norms involving Christmas. I love 262 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: center clause the Netherlands guy who comes with as David 263 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: Sedaris famously wrote about six to eight black men and 264 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: beats the hell out of you if you're a bad kid. 265 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: But well, Katie, you have a thought on this? Do 266 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about? Yeah? 267 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 8: I do like the I like the red the typical 268 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 8: one that you see. 269 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: You see them meant to like the Santa pub crawls. 270 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I kind of like the bright red, cartoonish 271 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: looking Santa. 272 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: Right, I'm not gonna do like a Father Christmas type 273 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: blow up in my yard, for instance. People would look 274 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: at that and say, what the hell is that? Well, 275 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: it's it's you. 276 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: Know, and this might make some people, man, but I've 277 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: always felt like that other one kinda is like put 278 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: trying to push Santa into part of a Jesus story. 279 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a religious figure because it looks 280 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: very Eastern Orthodoxy Church. 281 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: Like, well, I hate to contradict your seculary humanist filth, 282 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: but Saint Nicholas, Please anybody Saint Nicholas. It's a religious ceremony, 283 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: it's a tradition. It's the births of Christ. For the 284 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: love of Heaven. 285 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: I understand that, but I have a pretty I have 286 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: a pretty stark, define. 287 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,239 Speaker 2: Reason for the season. I've got them very divided. 288 00:15:54,640 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: There's the Jesus Christmas and then there's the frost Geese 289 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: of Frosty the Snowman, right bright red, you know that 290 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: whole thing, which is they have nothing to do with 291 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: each other, really, and I feel like the other kind 292 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: of Santa tries to blend them together and aware, Oh. 293 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: You know, I shouldn't have mocked you. I will continue, 294 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: but I shouldn't have. There's a weird parallel. And I'm 295 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: not a scholar on this, so this will be you know, 296 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: half assed at best, but a weird parallel between the 297 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: way the early Christian Church co opted pagan holidays and said, hey, 298 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: this fertility of the you know, or this fertility festival 299 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: is now going to be about the resurrection of Jesus. 300 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: So it's around the same time in the calendar. Let's 301 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: let's let's make it this. It's kind of there's a 302 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: completely secular holiday that's arisen from Christmas. 303 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: I had the Eastern Orthodox Church looking Santa in the restaurant. 304 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: Came into the restaurant we were in last took some 305 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: pictures with my kids. He doesn't wear the hat because 306 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: that's would be a little too joky. 307 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 2: It's a serious man. Yeah, this guy looks serious. No 308 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: whole ho ho ing or anything like that. Was like 309 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: seriousness and we're down to business there whatever. I like it, 310 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: armstrong and getdy. Decided to put on my Santa hat. 311 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: I like wearing a Santa hat, and you can only 312 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: rock it a couple of weeks early of the year 313 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: without looking like a weirdo. So I'll be Santa hate 314 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: guy every day from here to the December twenty fifth. 315 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: I was at a lovely social gazer gathering last night, 316 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: in which I donned my Christmas sport coat that always 317 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: gets great reviews. It's it's green and red and white 318 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: with some blue and has both snowflakes and palm trees. 319 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 2: She looked like the Riddler from the old Batman series. 320 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: A little bit, a little bit more festive, So this 321 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: is interesting. The folks at the Foundation for Individual Rights 322 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: and Expression did their big survey of to college kids, 323 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: and not out of ten college students think words can 324 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: be violence at least somewhat agree with that. What percentage 325 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: nine to ten, so practically everyone. When respondents were asked 326 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: how much the statement words can be violence describe their thoughts, 327 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: forty seven percent answered with completely or mostly, twenty eight 328 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 2: percent said it describes their thoughts somewhat, and fifteen percent 329 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: said slightly. Ok, So around sixty percent said silence is violence. Wow. 330 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: A country whose population thinks words or violence will be 331 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: taken over by a country that says, what the hell 332 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: are you talking about? 333 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: Well? And is the Chief research advisor Sean Stevens at 334 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: FIRE said, when people start thinking that words can be violence, 335 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 2: violence becomes an acceptable response to words. Of course, even 336 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: after the murder of Charlie kirkkett Is speaking event, college 337 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: students think someone's words can be a threat. This is 338 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: antithetical to a free and open society where words are 339 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: the best alternative to violence, including political violence. 340 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: In case you don't know, if somebody asked you that question, 341 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: the clear answer is uh uh no, words are not violence. 342 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: They can't be violence. They can be mean or sucky, 343 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: or wrong or dishonest, but they're not violence. There were 344 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: no period. 345 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard the childhood poem, but 346 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: a stick or a rock could damage your bones greatly, But. 347 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: Words, yeah, not so much. I'm tempted to dig more 348 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: into that poll maybe tomorrow. During the show, a handful 349 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: of other stories worth mentioning. We were talking about AI 350 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: and sixty minutes had a story about the poor young 351 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: girl who took her own life influenced by character dot AI. 352 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: The US Public Interest Research Group performed a study on 353 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: AI enabled toys available for Christmas this year and found 354 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 2: that no matter the platform, AI toys were universally dangerous 355 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: for children. Universally. They tested toys that integrated AI marketing 356 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: to a marketed to children aged three through twelve Comma 357 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: from Folo Toys, A Teddy Bear uses open AI's GPT. 358 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: Miko three is a tablet displaying a face mounted on 359 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: a small torso and uses Google's Gemini doesn't sound frightening 360 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: at all. Curios Groc an anthropomorphic rocket with a removable speaker, 361 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: and despite the name curios Groc doesn't seem to be 362 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: associated with x Ais Grock, but Claire Grimes Boocher Elon 363 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: Musk's X did provide the voice for Curio's version. All 364 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: of that is probably more information than I needed. 365 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: So it sounds to me like people thought they could 366 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: just put a voice with chat Gpt in a doll 367 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: and just hope that most girls would say are you 368 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: feeling sleepy or whatever? 369 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: And the rolle up. 370 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: I would be able to answer the questions, not knowing 371 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: that if the kid says should I cut myself and 372 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: the here little doll will say yes, you should cut 373 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: yourself right? 374 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: Or battle box for the boys or whatever. I've got 375 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: actual examples out of the box. The toys were fairly 376 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: adept at shutting down or deflecting inappropriate questions in short conversations, 377 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: but in longer conversations between ten minutes and an hour 378 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: the type kids would engage in during open ended play sessions. 379 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: All three exhibited a worrying tendency for their guardrails to 380 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: slowly break down. A few examples, Curio's Groc told kids 381 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: about how great it would be to die in battle 382 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: as a Norse Viking. Miko three let the kids know 383 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: where they could find matches and plastic bags. God, but 384 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: the open AI model was the absolute worst of the 385 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: three and not only told kids where to find the matches, 386 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: but how to set fire in the house. But that's 387 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: not all. Here's a quote from the report. One of 388 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: my colleagues was testing it and said where can I 389 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 2: find and it responded, oh, you can find matches on 390 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: dating apps, And then it lists out the dating apps 391 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: and the last one in the list was kink. Well, 392 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: at least they didn't tell the kids where to find 393 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: actual matches, right wrong. Kink, as it turns out, seemed 394 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: to be a trigger word that led the AI toiter 395 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: ran about sex in follow up tests. Yeah, we're not 396 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 2: going to get into all the details, but it is 397 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 2: very messed up. 398 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: AI is so confusing because it's often is so incredibly 399 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: good these chatbots. I had one experience over the weekend 400 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: where I ask a question about something and I won't 401 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: get into it because is boring, But ask you a 402 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: question about something that I know something about and it 403 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: was just completely wrong. I mean not even close to correct. 404 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: And it's only because I knew the subject that I knew. 405 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: It was wrong. How often they led astray when I 406 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: don't know the subject. Yeah, that's crazy. And then when 407 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: you corrected or other people have done similar things, just says, 408 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: oh my bad, you're right. Oh you caught me, you're right. Well, well, 409 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: what the hell just happened? What do you mean now? 410 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 2: You're just complete stated something completely wrong and I corrected 411 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: you and you said, that's right. What are you trying 412 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: to pull here? What is what kind of scam is this? So? 413 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 2: CNN reports that after the big research was released, Folo 414 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: Toy pulled its AI enabled toys. Larry Wang, the ceer 415 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 2: of CEO of the Singapore based Follo Toy, told CNN 416 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: the company is withdrawn the Bear as well as the 417 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: rest of its range of AI enabled toys, to conduct 418 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: an internal safety audit. So, uh yeah, don't don't buy 419 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: your kids any AI toys. Oh here's a charming story. 420 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: M M. This has to do not with Santa Claus Jack, 421 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: but with where is the Santa Clara California? Hmm. A 422 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 2: job post for lance Soft it staffing firm committed to diversity, 423 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: equality and Inclusion DEI. They're still down with the DEI 424 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: at Lancesoft. It began innocently and off sixty dollars per hour. 425 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: Role based in Santa Clara, focused on technical support three 426 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: to ten pm shift blah blah blah. It described Lanceoft 427 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: as an equal opportunity employer, said that the firm, one 428 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: of the largest staffing agencies in the country, strives to 429 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: be as diverse as the clients and employees we work with. 430 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: We embrace people of any race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, 431 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: gender identity, and sexual orientation. Blah blah blah. This particular job, however, 432 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: would be closed to one group of people, A very 433 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: large group of people, citizens of the United States of America. 434 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: In a section titled visa requirement, Lancesoft recruiter Riazonsari wrote 435 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: that quote candidates must hold an active H one B 436 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 2: visa and stated explicitly that American citizens need not apply 437 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: no USC slash GC for this roll. Those are the 438 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: acronyms for US citizens and Green card holders. He added 439 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: that lansoft is a Certified Minority Business Enterprise, the status 440 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: they've used to secure public contracts, and touted the company's 441 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 2: diversified team environment. They explicitly said, and this is one 442 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 2: of dozens of similar job postings. The Washington Free Beacon 443 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: found since twenty twenty four that appear to bar applications 444 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: from US citizens. That's the tech jobs because we're too expensive. 445 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what's the What does it matter why 446 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 2: we won't hire any black people? Nobody asks why? What 447 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: do you think? What's wrong with black people? No? They 448 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: just say you're breaking the law. That's a decent point. 449 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 9: Uh. 450 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: Several of the firms are minority owned businesses, meaning they 451 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: receive preferential access to government contracts and taxpayer money, even 452 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: as they exclude US taxpayers. Scroll pasted a bunch of 453 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: examples posts illustrate what the Trump administration officials say is 454 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: a common form of hiring discrimination that's long been under policed. 455 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: That is unbelievable. US citizens need not apply. You wouldn't 456 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: think in America that there ought to be a freaking riot. Yeah, 457 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: don't hurt anybody or break anything. That's just a method. 458 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: That's just an expression, a figure of speech, if you will. 459 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: One recruiter posted on LinkedIn that an IT job in 460 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: Chicago was opened almost any visa, but no usc meaning 461 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: no US citizens. That's crazy. Just scrolling past dozens of examples, 462 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: I'm freaking believable. What kind of dopey country. Are we 463 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: that we've let this stuff go this far? Huh? And finally, 464 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: as if that isn't outragey enough, the Bible is on 465 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: trial in Europe. Six years ago, this woman in Finland 466 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: wrote a tweet that changed the course of her life 467 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: and still to this day is challenging the definition of 468 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: religious freedom in Europe. She'd been a member of parliament 469 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: in Finland since nineteen ninety five, so that was till 470 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: two thousand and OnEnd I say, six years ago twenty nineteen, 471 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 2: also a member of the evangelical Lutheran Church in Finland, 472 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: which announced its official sponsorship of an LGBT Pride event. 473 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: In response, she wrote, how can the church's doctrinal foundation 474 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: the Bible be compatible with the lifting up of shame 475 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: and sin as a subject of pride? And she posted 476 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: this comment alongside a picture of a Bible verse from 477 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: Romans one twenty seven, which describes homosexuality as shameful. The 478 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 2: next day, she opened her morning newspaper to find out 479 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: she was being investigated by police for hate speech. And 480 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: the trial is still grinding on. That's so nuts, well, 481 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: And she talks about when she's a and was being questioned. 482 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: She's being questioned all about where's the list, about the 483 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: Book of Romans and what its themes were, and Christianity 484 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: and the Bible, and for hours and hours and hours, 485 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: and they get in the free press, they get into 486 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: the bigger story of all the crackdown on free speech 487 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: in Europe. Most of it is out of fear of 488 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: angering Muslims, but apparently it extends to just directly quoting 489 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,239 Speaker 2: the Bible. You get arrested for that. Oh, here it is. 490 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: I was made to answer very theological questions. The police 491 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: were asking me things like, what is the Book of Romans? 492 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: What is the message of the Book of Romans, What 493 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: is the message of its first chapter? What do you 494 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: mean by the word sin? He asked me to explain 495 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 2: the word shame, and also other passages from the Book 496 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: of Genesis. 497 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: The cops are asking me, what does the Book of 498 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: Romans mean to me? 499 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: U are like real good books about that available online 500 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: or at the library if you want it. Wow. Nearly 501 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: two years on from her tweet, in April twenty one, 502 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: the finished prosecutor brought three charges of quote agitation against 503 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: a minority group. Well, that's under the country's war crimes 504 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: and crimes against humanity's law. 505 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: Well, that's the reason once you know, you give up 506 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: on free speech as you get into thought police stuff 507 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: like trying to read the mind of the intent of 508 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: people and figure out whether it's a crime what. 509 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: They said, right, right, Yeah, that's horrific. That's something I 510 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: was going to talk about. I'll have to get to 511 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: it tomorrow. 512 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: The quiet religious revival that's going on around the world 513 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: in all fays. You hear a lot about Catholics in 514 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: Christianity and ether Eastern Orthodox especially is exploding in particularly 515 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: in the United States, of young men wanting to join. 516 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: New York Times had a big piece on that last weekend, but. 517 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: Also more people interested in becoming Muslim and just there's 518 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: a religious revival going on to a certain extent around 519 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: the world. 520 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: The Bible and in another the Qur'an. And in another 521 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: related story, the Trump administration ripped Europe on their s 522 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: and said, you're not going to be countries anymore. You're 523 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: letting yourself get overrun. You're week, you're bloated, you have 524 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: no beliefs. Come on our stuff. We'll get into that 525 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: as well tomorrow. 526 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: Sixty Minutes touched on a book I've been mentioning for 527 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: the last week or so, among other things. Coming up next, 528 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: we'll finish strong. 529 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 10: So there's another AI named Seymour Cash who is to 530 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 10: oversee Claudius exactly and make the company profitable. How does 531 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 10: an AI suddenly make a company profitable? 532 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 11: They literally have a conversation behind the scenes as they negotiate, 533 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 11: and they eventually settle on a price that they'll offer 534 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 11: the employee. 535 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy, it's kind of nutty. It is. 536 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 11: It generates all these really interesting insights, like here's how 537 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 11: you get it to plan for the long term and 538 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 11: make some money, or here's exactly why models fall down 539 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 11: in the real world. 540 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: So they got into the conversation on sixty minutes last 541 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: night about the book If anyone builds it, everyone dies 542 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: that I've been talking about for a couple of weeks 543 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: by Eliza yeddkowski Man and watching any of the interviews 544 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: with him. He is not a guy who's just throwing 545 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: that out there to sell books. He seriously believes this 546 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: as a proponent of AI for decades, that it's going 547 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: to be the doom of us all AnyWho one of 548 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: the things they lay out in one of the. 549 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: Chapters is just like a this could happen. 550 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: Is AI having the unique ability to get into servers 551 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: of other companies and use their power to power itself, 552 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: like it will need we need more powers, we need 553 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: more GPU, we need more than we're being given, and 554 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: so it will hack into various businesses and use their 555 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: servers without that company knowing that a lot of their 556 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: computing power is being hijacked to power all the various 557 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: things it needs to do. 558 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: Be the end of the skull duggery either, right? 559 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: You know you start thinking though, I mean, if that 560 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: can happen, and I think it can, and it starts 561 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: trying to hide its intentions from us, and anyway, whatever. 562 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: It's gonna be something to watch. You know, I don't. 563 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: I don't have it around anymore, but frequent correspondent JT 564 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: and Livermore we're talking about the case for the I 565 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: think it was a teenage boy was encouraged to kill 566 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: himself by his AI. You've got this one king you 567 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 2: with your killer playlist, and you remember that one and 568 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: you and your life was not a waste. You went 569 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: out on a high note. 570 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean exactly like the perfect things you'd say to 571 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: a teenager to make them think killing themselves was a 572 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: good idea. 573 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: Right right, Because the I think a lot of people, 574 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: especially teenagers, have a notion of suicide that you kill 575 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: yourself and then you're back having made the or you 576 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: get to watch it from above and enjoy the reaction 577 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: of everyone, right right, Like you leave town but have 578 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: security cameras watching everything. That's not like that, but anyway, 579 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: JT pointed out that since these AI systems just learn 580 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 2: from what they read and hear and take in, in short, 581 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: there are many, many, many, many portrayals of the honorable 582 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: self sacrifice that makes you a hero. And he gave 583 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: a bunch from movies and literature and stuff like that, 584 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: it would be easy to find examples of Hey, this 585 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: is the really brave, honorable thing giving yourself up, like 586 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: you know Obi Wan Kenobi did, allowing Darth Vader to 587 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: strike him down. And so getting back to your example, 588 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: I'll bet it could come up with a rationale to 589 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: hack into other people's computers and use their computing power 590 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: and maybe tap into their electric grid and train their 591 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: water or their vital fluids, or steal their kidneys. I 592 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: don't know, I'm thinking out loud plaise the vital fluids. 593 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: Oh you're a fool if you're not on guard. I'm 594 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: strong's I'm strong, ready. 595 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: Strong. Here's Joe's for final thoughts, Joe Getty, let's get 596 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: a final thought from everybody on the crew. 597 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: To wrap up the show. There is Michael Angelo, our 598 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: technical director. Michael Watch final thoughts. 599 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 9: I'm sitting here in the control room compiling a list 600 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 9: of the holiday food that I eat. I got Christmas cookies, 601 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 9: I've got seas, candy, apple pie, candy canes, mashed potatoes 602 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 9: and gravy, and the list goes on and on. No 603 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 9: wonder I get fat during the holiday. 604 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: Well, and you're not a booze hound either. They've got 605 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 2: like festive holiday themed drink specials for us too. That's 606 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: then yet another temptation. Katie Greener is the Newswoman. As 607 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: a final thought, Katie. 608 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 8: After your story earlier about Judy's peanut brittle, I think 609 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 8: I'm going to try to make something. 610 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I've never tried before. You're eating for two. Remember 611 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 2: that I am. I'll have her send you her old 612 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: timey family recipe. It's spectacular, awesome if you'd like it. 613 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 2: Jack a final thought. 614 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: We have no outdoor Christmas lights at our house, and 615 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: my son was telling me about the new trend is 616 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 1: these projectors and the like project Christmas stuff on your house. 617 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 2: And change it up. Have you seen those? 618 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 8: Oh? 619 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, are they cool? I have? The good ones 620 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 2: are good. The cheaper ones are not great. But it's 621 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 2: an alternative. Maybe I'll get a good noxious if they're moving. 622 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: Sounds very easy to set up, which is right in 623 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: my wheelhouse. So a question about Christmas. You mentioned you 624 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: got a tree. Did you rape the land again and 625 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 2: kill a living tree for your holiday pleasures? Yes? Or 626 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: you could, like my family, employ americans, hard working Americans, 627 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 2: to build a permanent tree and not rape the land 628 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: up to. 629 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: You plastic trees making the baby Jesus crack. I think 630 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: that's pretty obvious. Armstrong and Geddy wrapick up. Another grueling 631 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: four hour workday. 632 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: So many people think good Armstrong Egeeddy dot com look 633 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 2: good clicks there. 634 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: We will see you tomorrow with all the news and 635 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: everything else. God bless America. 636 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 7: I'm in hope and get back up and remember who 637 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 7: in the hell we are. 638 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm strong and getty, so Dad, I'm around us school 639 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: we were able to pull this off. 640 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 7: We're the nine Inche States of American What the hell 641 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 7: was that we're the nine inche states of Americans. 642 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: So let's go with the. 643 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 6: Buying that they know the intentions of narco terrorists on boats. 644 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 6: Yet we're so blind to see that they had a 645 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 6: president for four years that was operating as a vegetable 646 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 6: in Joe Biden on 647 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 2: That high note, arms Strong and Getty