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Speaker 2: Either way, we want to be there. Doesn't matter how

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Speaker 1: Tell us all about it. We scared her?

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Speaker 3: Was it fine?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Porn? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 3: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need ride? Ride with Karen and Chris.

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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to Do you need a ride? This

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Speaker 4: is Chris Fairbanks. I'm in Missoula, Montana again. Last time

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Speaker 4: I was here for my friend's bachelor party. This time

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Speaker 4: it was for the wedding. It was a great wedding.

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Speaker 4: It was It's funny thing about Montana where you live. Incidentally,

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Speaker 4: to my ride is my father, Jim Fairbanks, who will

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Speaker 4: same time.

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Speaker 1: It's a double job. Not one guy didn't cry during

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Speaker 4: All I watched all my friends tear up and be

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Speaker 4: consoled by their everybody.

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Speaker 3: Just one guy didn't double.

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Speaker 1: Negative there, every single not one guy didn't.

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Speaker 4: Not one man didn't, not cry okay, and then there's

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Speaker 4: dry eyes. Sensitive sensitive men in this part of the country.

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Speaker 4: That was my I've only done one experiment.

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Speaker 3: We have soft men with a hard exterior.

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Speaker 4: Maybe perhaps yeah, it was uh, but not really. I

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Speaker 4: go around telling their feelings to each other.

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Speaker 1: So it was it was.

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Speaker 4: Everyone really was affected by all the things my friend

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Speaker 4: Ross had in his in his vows to his wife

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Speaker 4: seeing him cry. Every every guy it was like watching

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Speaker 4: What's such the movie where they kill the dog or

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Speaker 4: a cowboy rides off. I don't know, Shane Shane or

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Speaker 4: the champ bags the kind of thing that makes men

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Speaker 4: cry or you and I used to watch Highway to Heaven,

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Speaker 4: the cheesiest show ever with Michael An.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you one day, the older you get, the

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Speaker 3: I've any any kind of event I cheer up.

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Speaker 4: Just a business opening exactly. They put their money together,

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Speaker 3: We gonna have time to get some plumbing before we

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Speaker 3: go to the airport. Yes, yes, And I have a question.

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Speaker 3: If you're driving and we're dropping you off at the airport,

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Speaker 4: At that point, I will you will have to make

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Speaker 3: So some weeks ago, I was watching my grandchildren, your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she likes to just, you know, casually, nonchalantly pick

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Speaker 3: As she does. And I called home to see how

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Speaker 3: Pipe broke actually the connection to the water softener, which

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Speaker 3: I can do that now you can't. So I have

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Speaker 3: plumbing things that don't require soldering, and they're just the best.

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Speaker 4: And this is just water, water, not sewarts. We're not

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Speaker 1: It's worse. It's much worse when it's ship water.

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Speaker 3: Oh you recall me working on plumbing, I'm sure when

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Speaker 4: I recall you renting a shop back and someone had

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Speaker 3: I did that came in.

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Speaker 3: And I hooked the thing up and and it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Oh that's disgusting.

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Speaker 4: So with this plumbing thing you do, you do all

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Speaker 4: the soldering you do, you know how to do.

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Speaker 3: All that I do. I know how to try to

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Speaker 3: Was if there was any water. If you're making more,

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Speaker 3: I was making four connections connecting two copper pipes, so

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Speaker 3: So I did the old bread trick. That's where you

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Speaker 4: Shark bites and skateboarding is when the skateboard hits your ankle.

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Speaker 4: That's the only thing I know as shark bite to be.

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Speaker 4: I did not know about the entire plumbing world. Oh

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Speaker 4: it's marvelous stuff for hacks like me, because you know,

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Speaker 3: A copper or plastic.

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Speaker 1: What makes it constrict then if you put it over

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Speaker 3: Mean it's just little seals, little round seals, old ring

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Speaker 1: And it is you do do it yourself.

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Speaker 4: I did tell you about the time I went to

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Speaker 4: But I, Josh and I went there, uh and and

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Speaker 4: I said, can I look around? I actually my dad

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like, yeah, maybe similar through and I

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Speaker 3: ROMs and wirenuts aren't too complicated. It's not that I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, sorry, it could.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, they are out there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're fine. This was almost ten years ago, so

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Speaker 1: Are people in school right now? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It was a friendly college girl. School is going on

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Speaker 4: We're driving past the University of Montana, where I once

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Speaker 1: You met him once when you did radio, right.

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Speaker 3: Help people, but also God out there and we all

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Speaker 4: Did you give him money? I did give him money,

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Speaker 4: and you didn't have a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: I did not have a lot of money. But there

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's what I got. Really, you threst with this guy.

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Speaker 1: So this congressman what was Leo?

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Speaker 4: And he made his re election platform, Let me let

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Speaker 1: Well, they really must have been Guyana. What is he?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, there were there were some people from NBC

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Speaker 4: That's when you really don't want to murder at Congress. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So so they go and they visit and they stay awhile,

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Speaker 4: His cult people made the decision to kill this guy,

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it was a horrible thing. Nine hundred people

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Speaker 4: Well there's I've seen a documentary where they're talking to

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Speaker 1: Some people have avoid to fill in their brain.

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Speaker 3: I was just I've told you before, I did several

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Speaker 4: Oh and how about four of these He can convince

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Speaker 3: Oh they they practiced killing themselves. Oh wow, this is

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Speaker 3: You got to admit people that were you were pressed.

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Speaker 3: You could be doing something important in this last Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You drive a car. You know his whole You know

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Speaker 3: And he was one of the few people I felt

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Speaker 4: I do like it when famous people that you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Because he's a good guy.

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Speaker 3: But we've all met strange people. We used to do

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Speaker 4: You can only imagine what it looks like. It's a

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00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: white ball arching through the air.

445
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: So you get to run into people people. Jack Lemon

446
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: was a marvelous guy. James Carter was a marvelous guy.

447
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: Eddie Williams was a total dick, you know that kind

448
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 3: of thing.

449
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

450
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 3: I interviewed Jerry Lewis once he came by the radio

451
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: station and it was just yeah, it was just before

452
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: it was just before Labor Day thing, you know, Ms

453
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: telehon Or Mty muscular distagrete and and and his handlers

454
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 3: said came in early and they said, uh, we want

455
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: to get this straight. Don't touch mister Lewis. Don't what,

456
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: don't embrace him, just don't touch him.

457
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 4: Oh, for God's sake, how are how are you going

458
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: immediately be someone that thinks he's an asshole interviewing him?

459
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Don't they know that's what they're doing?

460
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: So I said, well, I got to do something. So

461
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: I had a glass of water there, and he sat

462
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: down and introduced himself, and I took out my comb

463
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: and put it in the water and then comb my

464
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: hair because I've seen him do that, right, And then.

465
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 4: He laughed a hard and we had a good time, okay,

466
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: And then maybe you were allowed to touch him after that?

467
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose we could have kissed.

468
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: Oh perfect once you once he show him one of

469
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 4: his genius bits, Jerry Lewis.

470
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: He was known to get naked with people.

471
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: And the one of my other favorite people was was

472
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: Arnold Palmer.

473
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: What a lovely man, the famous beverage man, the.

474
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: Famous beverage man. All right, the richest guys in golf

475
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: currently I'm a golfer. Are Tiger Woods makes more than anybody?

476
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: Most of it these days off of endorsements. Phil Micholson

477
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: is number two. Now, these aren't the one and two

478
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: golfers in the world.

479
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: They just got the Nike shoes.

480
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Number three is Arnold.

481
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: Same with skateboarding. If you once you have a shoe,

482
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: people buy news man.

483
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: Number three moneymakers Arnold Palmer. Really he doesn't want a

484
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: tournament in thirty years? Is it?

485
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: Because he has Signature's got.

486
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: His fingers and everything and everybody wants to know him.

487
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

488
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: So anyway, once when when you were a baby, worked

489
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: at this radio station, we had Arnold Palmer golf tips. Okay,

490
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: and you, as a you know, Bob's Laundry and Dry

491
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: Cleaning was a sponsor.

492
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: Of this is on the radio.

493
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: How the hell do you so you'll have to show

494
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 4: someone how to put your fingers or move your hips.

495
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: That's exactly one would think.

496
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: You're describing it.

497
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: That's that's what There was no internet sure appreciate so

498
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: so uh these tips were a minute long, two minutes long,

499
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: and then there was a commercial. Well, he happened to

500
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: be in town and he agreed that this Bob's launder

501
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: and Dry Cleaning it what Arnold Palmer glof tip. So

502
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: he came in to do a promo, and and so

503
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: I wrote down some copy for him that anytime I'm

504
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: in Contra Costa County, I always go to Bob's laundry

505
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: and dry cleanning. Right. And we sat down in this

506
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: little room, Arnold Palmer in that cardigan sweater, this lovely man,

507
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: and he said he couldn't say Contra Costa County. And

508
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: we tried it. He just was on eight fifty times.

509
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: Oh I can do this, I can do this. And

510
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: I said, now you know, let me change this. Oh no,

511
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: I can do this, I can do that. I sat

512
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: there and I remember thinking this is all Arnold Palmer.

513
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: He was just obsessing over it.

514
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: That's right. We were in this little room. It meant

515
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: nothing to him. I meant at a dollar eighty six

516
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: to him in his life, and he was gonna get

517
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: this right. Well, so I finally, I'll let me scrush

518
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: that out anytime I'm in the area.

519
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: The area, and then he can't say that every time

520
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 4: I'm in the area, Arnold.

521
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Actually, we're gonna have to do that again too.

522
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: I And so that's another The example, then, is of

523
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: a comic being full of themselves when that I got

524
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: introduced on that premium Blend show that deal.

525
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: Hughughley had had some.

526
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: Drinks in the green room and said my name wrong,

527
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: fair Bunks, bunks or something, and then he said whatever,

528
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: and so I just went.

529
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Out there to my name being mispronounced.

530
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: So I had to go back the next day and

531
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: reshoot just me walking out to the microphone, and they

532
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: they had him say it over and over, and he

533
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 4: was very annoyed with the.

534
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: Fact that he had to do this pickup shot. And

535
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: then I just.

536
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: Got a sober up hubly to operate on the kit.

537
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I put my watch on the opposite wrist

538
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: and didn't put the stuff in my hair. So if

539
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: you watch it, you can see the watch shoot from

540
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: one wrist to the other in my hair suddenly shrink

541
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: on that premium blend.

542
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: You you really have to be watching for it. Though.

543
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: Well that guy was almost in our line, but yeah,

544
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: it's he was. He couldn't say. It's funny when people

545
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: it's a tongue twister. Something that you can say, I,

546
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: for instance, really have a hard time saying.

547
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: Rear view mirror, rear view mirror.

548
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: But I think of the words that I can't pronounces.

549
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: There's a topic that there's a spill binding tone. Yes,

550
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: this old guy was.

551
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: On the Yeah, he started listening in words word that.

552
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: He couldn't pronounce. Well, fascinating fast.

553
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: It was really had a PBS vibe to it. And

554
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 4: at the end he actually fell asleep. You could hear

555
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: him snoring. He put himself to sleep with.

556
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: His word list. We're getting close to the airport.

557
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: We are getting close to the airport. Can you see

558
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: those planes there?

559
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: They are.

560
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: Wake up that? Oh? Or was that that was? Okay?

561
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're snoring. Sound effects that you also do?

562
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're I do those at night?

563
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: Really well, Yeah, it's amazing there there you're regular Michael Winslow.

564
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 3: Whatever happened to that guy?

565
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: He tours comedy clubs incessantly. He's a road comic. Uh,

566
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 4: clean family guy. I don't know if he's a nice

567
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: guy or not, but he's certainly.

568
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: It's like he is.

569
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: But he's less funny I think than rich little.

570
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe a little funnier, but he's uh, he's really.

571
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: Would be so good at something and being able to

572
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: put the other thing, give the other thing because.

573
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 4: He learned how to do the sound effects. I don't

574
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: think he even learned to be funny later in life

575
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 4: just because you got a role in the police academy.

576
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

577
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: Yes, I do know what you mean. But do you

578
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: remember the first the first time you knew you were

579
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: a funny person? Who me? You?

580
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: No?

581
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: Really?

582
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: Maybe when I made.

583
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: You and some friends that from work a bunch of

584
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 4: grown ups laugh.

585
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: Oh right, that's usually par it is.

586
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I knew that I was giving little

587
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 4: puppet shows, but it wasn't about my puppet work. It

588
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 4: was just me saying weird shit hiding behind the table.

589
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, but that puppet away and zip up

590
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: your pants. Did you do you recall a similar.

591
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: And when I was a little kid back in the forties, No,

592
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: nobody talked to you, right, your parents didn't talk. He

593
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: occasionally at night they'd say good night, Jimmy, but that

594
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: was it. I didn't get any hugs, you know, it

595
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: was it was it was rough.

596
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for hugging me all the time.

597
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: So so I'm riding in this car. I'm riding in

598
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: this car and I'm looking up in that windshields filthy.

599
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: So I said, Daddy, could I borrow your knife? And

600
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: and he said why? Why? I said, I'd like to

601
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: scrape the bird shut off the window, and so there's

602
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: three men in the car just roared. I thought, there

603
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: it is.

604
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: That's Oh, for good sake, I got smart.

605
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm not fast, I'm not tall, but I got that

606
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: bird ship. Great.

607
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: That's great.

608
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: And I and I had to have been a tiny guy.

609
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but I do remember that.

610
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: And I say, wow, I've got somebody's ear. Now these

611
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 3: people actually heard that. That's irresponded to it.

612
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: Well, I never had to fight for your ear. No,

613
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: so you must have learned from that.

614
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: I think, Well, I just you ended up being little kids. Yeah,

615
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: you think children are as good as people get.

616
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 4: I know my grand neither grandparent really gave a ship

617
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: if I was hanging out. No, not that I'm not

618
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: glad we didn't move to Missoula, Montana.

619
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: That was one of them.

620
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Man. I didn't want to grow up in Monterey. What

621
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: do you do there?

622
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: Hello? Well dad, this is your grandson. All you're doing?

623
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: Put him over there by the Christmas tree? Do we

624
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: have to feed him?

625
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 3: Talk?

626
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: What does he do?

627
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 3: Were you going to park here?

628
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

629
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: This is where this is where I get out later.

630
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: And no, this is I'll get out, I'll get the plane.

631
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: Ticket is in my name, so I will get on

632
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 4: the plane. You then get into this driver.

633
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: You'll quick driver.

634
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: I will quit.

635
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: I will cease to be driving because I will be

636
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: out of the vehicle and on an arrowplane.

637
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming to visit, even though even though

638
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: it was just a wedding.

639
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm I have next time.

640
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: It'll have everything to do with you, all right, yeah,

641
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 4: because I'm gonna throw you a wedding.

642
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna I'll be back soon. Daddy.

643
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: All right, son, I love you, I love you.

644
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: Okay, where's my bag?

645
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: Are leaving on?

646
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: You wanna way back home?

647
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: Either way you want to be there, doesn't matter how

648
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: much baggage you time and turning on engage.

649
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: We want to send you us inside.

650
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: We want to welcome you back home. Tell us all

651
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: about ity scared?

652
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: He was it fine?

653
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: Melbourne?

654
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

655
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride?

656
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 3: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

657
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 3: Do you need ride?

658
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride?

659
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: Do you need

660
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: With Karen and Chris