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Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, thinking sideways. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: You never know stories of things. We simply don't know
Speaker 1: the answer too. Well. Hey there it's the time for
Speaker 1: a little unsolved mystery action you guys after that? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: first off, my name's Joe, I'm Devin. Okay, let's get
Speaker 1: rolling here. Uh So, our story starts in nearly seventies.
Speaker 1: There was a breaking at the Hughes Corporation. The breaking
Speaker 1: led to the revelation that a ship that had been
Speaker 1: built by the Hughes Corporation, the Gloomar Explorer, which was
Speaker 1: ostensibly built for exploration and mining of manganese modules from
Speaker 1: the ocean floor, was not actually built for that purpose
Speaker 1: at all. It was actually part of a CIA project
Speaker 1: that the Huges Corporation was providing cover for. So the
Speaker 1: Glomar Explorer was it turns out, not not mining manganese
Speaker 1: modules at all. It was it was raising a Soviet submarine.
Speaker 1: What's the manganese module. I'm not even sure what the
Speaker 1: hell that is, but there, yeah, there. Apparently there are
Speaker 1: manganese modules on the ocean floor, and manganese as a
Speaker 1: rare it is a rare metal that's worth a lot
Speaker 1: of money, I guess. And so you know, if it
Speaker 1: weren't so dark and expensive to go retrieve those things
Speaker 1: off the ocean floor, then we could actually be grabbing
Speaker 1: those things and you know, utilizing them. But apparently we're
Speaker 1: not because too much money. Okay. So anyway, as a
Speaker 1: little aside, you know that the cover story was so
Speaker 1: effective that some some major corporations actually put a lot
Speaker 1: of money into researching how to man how to actually
Speaker 1: retrieve manganese modules themselves for the ocean floor. And let's see,
Speaker 1: the joke was on them. So anyway, back to back.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to Napril night. The Sylvia submarine
Speaker 1: K sank into Pacific about ere and miles north northwest
Speaker 1: of Hawaii. It was an early Soviet boomer. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure you only know what a boomer is, but for
Speaker 1: a few of you who don't know what a boomer is,
Speaker 1: that's a submarine that carries nuclear missiles. The idea being
Speaker 1: that you know, if somebody launches an attack in your
Speaker 1: homeland and wipes out like your land based missiles, while
Speaker 1: you still get some hidden out at sea to fire
Speaker 1: back at the enemy. We've got them. The Soviets have them,
Speaker 1: the Bridge and the French have them. Chinese have them.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's a boomer. So uh this this is
Speaker 1: one of the earliest attempts to the boomer. It was
Speaker 1: a diesel submarine that had been lengthened. The the sale
Speaker 1: had been made larger to accommodate three vertically matted nuclear
Speaker 1: tip missiles. They were liquid fuel and that's probably the
Speaker 1: wide submarine sank. It is because liquid fuel rockets tend
Speaker 1: to be a lot more prone to accidents, which is
Speaker 1: why we used solid fuel rockets on our boomers. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so it sank. Uh. We didn't know about it at first.
Speaker 1: The what happened is the Navy noticed that huge surge
Speaker 1: of Soviet naval forces into that part of the Pacific,
Speaker 1: obviously looking for their lost submarine. And so that caused
Speaker 1: us to go back and review our our socias records.
Speaker 1: And I'll show you all know what socias is. But
Speaker 1: socis yeah, but for a few of you don't, so
Speaker 1: says scratching my head. Yeahs an underwater network of sonar
Speaker 1: sonar receivers that we've got in certain strategic places around
Speaker 1: the world. And there were, and so we actually pick
Speaker 1: up all kinds of noise and run it to computers
Speaker 1: and figure out what's going on in the ocean about
Speaker 1: how we heard the blop the loop probably Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a listening network. Yeah, it's it's a big underwater
Speaker 1: listening network. Yeah. Okay, well yeah, I remember the blue
Speaker 1: but um so anyway, so in response to this, the
Speaker 1: US went back and reviewed all of its socist records,
Speaker 1: and determined that yes, indeed there were there were some sounds.
Speaker 1: There was first of all a big, a big boom
Speaker 1: associated with explosion, and then somewhat after that, some of
Speaker 1: the sounds associated with the implosion or the death of
Speaker 1: a submarine. So apparently they they probably had a problem
Speaker 1: with one of their rockets. They surfaced, exploded. They probably
Speaker 1: had a problem with one of their rockets. They surfaced,
Speaker 1: the exploded, and then eventually set the ship wind up
Speaker 1: sinking in about two miles of water, and so and
Speaker 1: so using using triangulation, etcetera, we were able to figure
Speaker 1: out roughly where had gun down. So at that point,
Speaker 1: and by the way that the project was eventually named
Speaker 1: Project as Orion, although they code named a Project Jennifer.
Speaker 1: It was codenamed Project as Orion, but they told the
Speaker 1: President was Project Jennifer, because that's just the way they
Speaker 1: are in the government. I really wanted there to be
Speaker 1: twenty seven of them. Everybody thinks. Everybody thought it was
Speaker 1: a Project Jennifer, but actually his Project as Orion. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like and so yeah, I mean like, well, there's
Speaker 1: a guy who was part of the whole thing. He
Speaker 1: was on the Halibut which was a spy sub that
Speaker 1: we're out looking for the wreckage of the submarine. Eventually,
Speaker 1: like you know, many years later, like in the nineties,
Speaker 1: he wrote a book about it called Spiceub And in
Speaker 1: his book, the halibut was called the viperfish exactly everywhere
Speaker 1: it wasn't. He he couldn't and you know, everybody, the Sovieust, Chinese,
Speaker 1: all everybody knows it's called the halibut. You know, we
Speaker 1: all know this, But he was still required to call
Speaker 1: it something else. So he called up the piper fish.
Speaker 1: That's how that's how silly they are about this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. So the guy's name was Roger Dunham and
Speaker 1: he was on board the halibut, and the halibut was
Speaker 1: was equipped to trail an apparatus behind it, which they
Speaker 1: called the fish. And the fish was basically, remember this
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't like the early seventies and we didn't
Speaker 1: have digital photography and all that stuff. So what they
Speaker 1: had to do was they had to trail this thing
Speaker 1: underneath the sub and behind the sub and do race
Speaker 1: track patters just go up and down in a grid
Speaker 1: pattern over the ocean floor and then and then regularly
Speaker 1: haul the thing up back into the boat, pulled off
Speaker 1: the film canisters, and developed the film. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: eventually the day came and they were they were down
Speaker 1: there for weeks looking around, and eventually the day came
Speaker 1: when hey spotted something and so they had pictures of
Speaker 1: something on the ocean floor, you know, the the K
Speaker 1: one nine. So they had found what they were looking for.
Speaker 1: And so at that point that's when it's time to
Speaker 1: figure out what to do with it. It was laying
Speaker 1: on a side one of the missiles that slid out
Speaker 1: of the top of the sail, and there was just
Speaker 1: the stock got around that we should probably try to
Speaker 1: raise it. And so the glow War Explorer was built
Speaker 1: for that express purpose of raising that submarine to see
Speaker 1: to explore their missile technology and maybe get to look
Speaker 1: at the codebooks you knows going on. Uh, And so
Speaker 1: the Glow Wire Explorer was purpose built for this very mission.
Speaker 1: It was it had this thing called the claw that
Speaker 1: was then it had a moon pool in the middle
Speaker 1: of the ship. The moon pool was just a big
Speaker 1: pool that was opened on the bottom, had closing doors,
Speaker 1: doors that could close, but it could open up and
Speaker 1: it was at her ninety nine ft long, and then
Speaker 1: at either end of that there were these crane type arrangements.
Speaker 1: What essentially what essentially they did was they would lower
Speaker 1: down these big steel pipes, slowly lower them down. There's
Speaker 1: other big machinery pieces that would grab the next piece,
Speaker 1: these in where I believe sixty ft long piece, and
Speaker 1: they were threaded on either end, and so you would
Speaker 1: lower this thing down all the way. These two pieces
Speaker 1: of steel they are attached to the claw, and then
Speaker 1: the cranes bring up two more big huge tubes of
Speaker 1: steel and and they're threaded into the ones below, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and then those things are slowly lowered, and then and
Speaker 1: then the next the next pair of tubes are brought up,
Speaker 1: threaded in, slowly lowered. So the process of actually getting
Speaker 1: the claw down to the K one twin yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and bringing it back up took many days and so
Speaker 1: so it was revealed many years after the fact that
Speaker 1: what had happened. The claw had five claws to it. Essentially,
Speaker 1: it was like five there were five individual claws that
Speaker 1: could grasp the submarine and then bring it back up.
Speaker 1: And so they unfortunately they had an unfortunate incident. According
Speaker 1: to what the Navy said the they went down too fast,
Speaker 1: they slammed the claw into the ocean bottom and yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they managed to maneuver it over to the
Speaker 1: Sumner rine that I didn't I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I mentioned the claw actually had had like
Speaker 1: propellers and stuff on it so that they could actually
Speaker 1: because there was such a long ways away that there
Speaker 1: was nothing they could do from there and as far
Speaker 1: as like like pushing on the pipes or anything to
Speaker 1: guide this thing. So they had to basically using underwater
Speaker 1: cameras and lites and everything like that. They would use propellers.
Speaker 1: They were amounted on this thing to to pull it
Speaker 1: in various directions to get a centered over where they
Speaker 1: needed to be and centered over the wreckage. And then
Speaker 1: they when they hooked the wreckage with the clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know this this sounds this This makes me think
Speaker 1: of have you ever taken a tape major and run
Speaker 1: it out to about six foot and it's trying to
Speaker 1: bend and not quite break and you're trying to get
Speaker 1: it over to touch something and that's that's difficult. And
Speaker 1: that's just a six foot tape masure. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: two miles down a couple of miles down and always down.
Speaker 1: It was like very very difficult operation. And yet and yes,
Speaker 1: I think is the word that comes to mind that too.
Speaker 1: And and yet somehow, oh they alast on the way up. Um.
Speaker 1: On the way up, some of the claus broke and
Speaker 1: the part of the submarine fell apparently, so they actually
Speaker 1: managed to hook it. Yeah, they actually managed to get
Speaker 1: this thing wrapped around the sub The cloud was really
Speaker 1: like holding on the sub bringing it up. And unfortunately
Speaker 1: about some of the clause broke on the way back
Speaker 1: up under the stress, and most of the submarine was lost,
Speaker 1: and essentially the nose remained and the rest of it
Speaker 1: broke away. So that is the official story, um so,
Speaker 1: But of course there's a lot of problems with that story.
Speaker 1: Did they get the nose, they bring it up. They
Speaker 1: did bring the nose up. They brought the nose up.
Speaker 1: They actually found out the remains of some Soviet sailors
Speaker 1: and they gave them a burial. Let's sea supposedly, didn't
Speaker 1: they already have one of those? Yeah, and they didn't.
Speaker 1: But they didn't find much of value because people's are
Speaker 1: giant too. Okay, Okay, there's several problems with this story. Okay,
Speaker 1: the K the K wast long, the sub the sub
Speaker 1: that they were retrieving, yea long the moon pool of
Speaker 1: the Glamore Explorer. Wast Long now purpose built for the
Speaker 1: mission of raising a submarine. That's what. How dot longer
Speaker 1: than the moon pool? You kind of got to ask,
Speaker 1: you know, exactly why they didn't make it longer moon pool?
Speaker 1: But one question about that. A Navy spokesman said that
Speaker 1: the plan was to haul it up and then have
Speaker 1: divers go down and cut the cut the ends of
Speaker 1: the submarine off because they were mainly interested in the
Speaker 1: middle park with the where the missiles were. They were
Speaker 1: just going to cut it off. But that's more than
Speaker 1: half of the sub, isn't it. They would have to
Speaker 1: half cut off almost half, I mean threet it would
Speaker 1: have to cut it down, and it's them to add
Speaker 1: no more than I've a little bit of play right
Speaker 1: five at the most. Yeah, so they're losing a lot
Speaker 1: of sub there. Well, and it's a sub It's not
Speaker 1: as if it's just a shell and you cut outside
Speaker 1: shell and it falls apart exactly. I mean, the process
Speaker 1: of cutting the ends off is you're talking weeks at
Speaker 1: least many weeks, because there's framing, there's decks, there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of there's piping and two being all. That's the
Speaker 1: sort of thing they do for you know, months on
Speaker 1: a dry dock, on a shed. Yeah, exactly. Imagine doing
Speaker 1: that underwater and you know, especially you know, let's see
Speaker 1: with waves and everything. And the next problem is that
Speaker 1: the the next problem is that somehow the nose remained, uh,
Speaker 1: some of the notes remained in the clause even and
Speaker 1: the rest of the sub broke away. But it seems
Speaker 1: rather unlikely that even if the nose was even if
Speaker 1: there was damage to the sub, and I'm sure there was,
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be so extensive that that the nose
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been pulled out with the rest of the
Speaker 1: wreckage out of the clause. It seems rather than likely.
Speaker 1: And last of all, last of all, how did they
Speaker 1: get the nose into the moon pool? Because theoretically the
Speaker 1: nose should have been sticking way out one end of
Speaker 1: the clause if it stayed behind. So yeah, so how
Speaker 1: exactly did they get that nose into the moon pool?
Speaker 1: And there's there's no wreck close that says, quote unquote,
Speaker 1: this is what we did correct as and this is
Speaker 1: how we got the nose in the moon. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: they never explained that. Now explained. I'm just thinking, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's let's just run with the let's just run with
Speaker 1: the story. Okay, Well we we pull it up and
Speaker 1: a big chunk of it breaks away. Oh crud. The
Speaker 1: only part that we've got left is what we meant
Speaker 1: to cut off and it won't fit in the hole. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like trying to get something in your car that's
Speaker 1: too big. You got to tie it onto something and
Speaker 1: sent it down. And I can just imagine they would
Speaker 1: have gone in with some kind of cabling and attached
Speaker 1: the superstructure, let go with the claw, and it would
Speaker 1: have drifted down own and then they would have craned
Speaker 1: it up. That is that is entirely possible. They could
Speaker 1: have done something like that, could have like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they had anything on board that
Speaker 1: was capable of hauling that much weight besides the clots,
Speaker 1: so but you know, they could have. They could have
Speaker 1: actually attached cables, dropped it, let it be suspended, bring
Speaker 1: the claw back down and grab it, bring it back up.
Speaker 1: So that's entirely possible if that's what they did. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm just thinking. Okay, well, let's just say
Speaker 1: the story is true, that the cover story that we're
Speaker 1: that is the cover story for the first story. Let's
Speaker 1: just say that's true, and it's the only plausible way
Speaker 1: I could see it happen. I agree with that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, but it is suspicious that, you know, they
Speaker 1: would if they custom built the ship, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about structural integrity of ships or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I don't know if it was you know,
Speaker 1: impossible for them to do that to make it actually
Speaker 1: make it actually that long, you know, especially the moon pool,
Speaker 1: the ship would have pretty big. It would have had
Speaker 1: to be very big accommodate that large ball moon pool. Um,
Speaker 1: but why would you why would you do that? Well?
Speaker 1: Why would you? Why would you go to all this
Speaker 1: trouble and expense to raise an obsolete diesel submarine? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the real question, isn't it. There wasn't
Speaker 1: There wasn't much in there. I mean, the Soviets had
Speaker 1: liquid fuel rockets, which was a technology that we had
Speaker 1: already had abandoned. Solid fuel rockets so it's like the
Speaker 1: it's not like we were really chone and for their
Speaker 1: rocket to and of course they were nukes, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it would have been probably possibly that would have
Speaker 1: been some usefulness to see in their nuclear warheads and
Speaker 1: you know, figuring out how tinkering with those a little
Speaker 1: bit would have been some usefulness there. But again, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: it probably would have been easier to just grab one
Speaker 1: of the rockets that are falling out and just you know,
Speaker 1: build a much smaller have a much smaller operation that
Speaker 1: goes down and just grabbed the rocket that's a missile
Speaker 1: ocean and you know, are their series about these problems? No, no,
Speaker 1: I I had no theories myself. While I have theories,
Speaker 1: but I don't believe him very very much. It's a
Speaker 1: couple of theories. One is that, oh and I wanted
Speaker 1: one other thing I wanted to mention too, is that
Speaker 1: there's a guy who was involved with this project called
Speaker 1: John Craven who wrote eventually wrote with his memoirs. He
Speaker 1: was in the Navy, not actually with the Navy, who
Speaker 1: was a scientist, and he was involved in the sonar
Speaker 1: search for not only the wreckage of the cave one
Speaker 1: twenty nine. He was He was the guy that actually
Speaker 1: orchestrated the search to find it to the sonar records
Speaker 1: pinpoint its location. And he also he also was part
Speaker 1: of the search signed the Scorpion, which was a U
Speaker 1: S submarine a sanc in night. There's a skip Jack
Speaker 1: class sub the SINC in the Atlantic off the Azors.
Speaker 1: So he wrote as a memoirs and his memoirs he
Speaker 1: said he was talking about projects as oar and he
Speaker 1: said that he he said that he had seen the
Speaker 1: photographs that were taken by the hell but and that
Speaker 1: he was surprised to hear that what the photographs were
Speaker 1: of was a diesel submarine. That's what he said. Did
Speaker 1: he did he say what he thought they were going
Speaker 1: to be? He now he he didn't say what the
Speaker 1: photographs were of. He just said basically they it wasn't
Speaker 1: it was not a diesel submarine. Have these photos ever
Speaker 1: been released? Not that I know of. No. And this
Speaker 1: happened again. What was the year they pulled it? That
Speaker 1: was the year the submarine sank. It was the early
Speaker 1: seventies when the same one it was actually okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: So Free Information Act extends how far back yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't you know. They usually it's it's I would say,
Speaker 1: it's it's long past time to release those things. And
Speaker 1: actually I have not yet researched, said my bad, I
Speaker 1: should probably try to find out if any of those
Speaker 1: photographs have been released, But I really suspect they haven't
Speaker 1: been released because I suspect what I suspect actually happened
Speaker 1: is that when the K one twenty nine sank, when
Speaker 1: a submarine, good hands in the position of the plane,
Speaker 1: but saying say, for example, uh, the is the runners
Speaker 1: straight then, and then the stern points have been straightened,
Speaker 1: and so you start to sink, and eventually, if you
Speaker 1: knows is if you if your nose is a little bit,
Speaker 1: and you'll start going more vertical, and at that point
Speaker 1: you're control surfaces in the rear submarine basically act like
Speaker 1: flutes on an arrow, and so they drive you down
Speaker 1: or drive you down where's essentially you're gonna You're gonna
Speaker 1: wind up going straight down. So if the came one
Speaker 1: twenty nights, when the came on sank, I'm guessing that
Speaker 1: probably it went and nose first. The nose was completely demolished,
Speaker 1: and so that's why they maybe felt very comfortable saying
Speaker 1: that they recovered the nose because the nose no longer
Speaker 1: existed anyway. What I believe is that the Glomar Explorer
Speaker 1: and one that was built for another mission, It performed
Speaker 1: that mission and land later on. As part of their
Speaker 1: little cover story, they went out to this part of
Speaker 1: the Pacific where this thing had been with a submarined
Speaker 1: sunk and they parked out there for weeks and pretended
Speaker 1: to raise the wreckage of the submarine. That is my belief.
Speaker 1: Now what whatever it was actually raised, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: it could have been. It could have been the wreckage
Speaker 1: of the Scorpion, which I mentioned a few minutes ago. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of there was actually speculation of
Speaker 1: the submarine in community that the Scorpion had been sunk
Speaker 1: for the Soviets. So there probably was ovation to raise
Speaker 1: the wreckage and find out what precisely had sunk the scorpion.
Speaker 1: So how big was the scorpion? Well, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Scorpion was two ft long big for that. Yeah. Well, um,
Speaker 1: when it hit it kind of kind of hit notes first.
Speaker 1: So what happened is part of the after section telescoped in,
Speaker 1: so it did get it did get compressed someone I
Speaker 1: was I was doing a little research to try to
Speaker 1: find out exactly how extensive the damage was and how short, basically,
Speaker 1: how short that the scorpion had become from its impact.
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures. Of course, these could be doctored pictures too,
Speaker 1: because you know, if they if it turns out that
Speaker 1: they they were able to take on the water pictures
Speaker 1: of the scorpion, but if actually it exts torpedo, they
Speaker 1: would probably airbrush that because you know, because I'm admitting
Speaker 1: that Sylviets have declared and they basically declared war on
Speaker 1: you by committing an active war, and then you've got
Speaker 1: to do something about it. So the story that I heard,
Speaker 1: I know some submariners UM, and submariners have noticed a
Speaker 1: silence service because they never talked about their stuff. But
Speaker 1: of course they talk all the time. I've heard from
Speaker 1: a couple of them that, yeah, the the scorpion was
Speaker 1: in their boats and main revenge but you know, hockey okay, um.
Speaker 1: So that and I have also be reader that the
Speaker 1: Navy had indeed wreckage somewhere, but again it could be
Speaker 1: just pure garbage, this purebs who knows. So anyway, it's
Speaker 1: a mystery. So we don't know. I could have been
Speaker 1: the wreckage of maybe an experimental Sylvia's subresparent, one of
Speaker 1: our experimental submarines. It could have been a UFO. So
Speaker 1: when after so obviously we don't know exactly what it did.
Speaker 1: But after this mission, what did they do with the
Speaker 1: Glomar Explorer? And the Glomar Explorer got refitted? Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: I had the good force and actually see the Glomar Explorer.
Speaker 1: It was right here in Portland. That was like I
Speaker 1: somewhere in there. I was taking a jet road right
Speaker 1: you know the jet boats. They're right by the the
Speaker 1: USS Blue Back, the Mighty Blue Back down Hotly. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I took a jet boat ride. And then we went
Speaker 1: up to a Cascade General shipyard. On the outside of
Speaker 1: the shipyard was nothing, no less than the Glomar Explorer.
Speaker 1: I was here for a refit apparently they forget, I
Speaker 1: forget exactly what they refitted it for. But it's still
Speaker 1: in service sie ft Long so it's just starting. So, so,
Speaker 1: how how wide was the moon pool? How what is
Speaker 1: the moon pool? Yeah, I'm just trying. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get a general scale of the of the glomar. So, like,
Speaker 1: how long? How big is the Yeah? I mean, is
Speaker 1: it a giant block up floating in the ocean essentially,
Speaker 1: or I'm just trying to get an idea of what
Speaker 1: it actually looks like a ship. I've actually got a
Speaker 1: picture here. Yeah, it's six nineteen feet long, as you
Speaker 1: can see. You can see in those towers there. Those
Speaker 1: are the towers that those those great big steel pipes
Speaker 1: going there are in. Oh, so that I'm glad you
Speaker 1: showed me the photo because it looks just like any
Speaker 1: other ocean going vessel. I expected this thing to be
Speaker 1: some crazy widening to accommodate the weight in the poll
Speaker 1: and all of that. You thought it would look like
Speaker 1: some sort of floating dry dock. Yeah, essentially that's what
Speaker 1: I would have expected it. Yeah, but no, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: six six nine ft long, it's got a regular bow
Speaker 1: and everything. It's just got that fantastine feet and beam.
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at this. So anyway, it was mothball,
Speaker 1: eventually refitted um and eventually got sold off and it's
Speaker 1: still in service today sort in vessel for felling radiation
Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, asked me again, Uh, do you
Speaker 1: know what they're doing thing like that. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was converted in Cashi general was modified to a
Speaker 1: what they call a dynamically to drilling ship capable of
Speaker 1: drilling of waters of Fetu, and it was some modification
Speaker 1: up to like eleven eleven thousand, five hundred feet. So
Speaker 1: it's yeah, Devin's right, is a genet drilling ship now? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: basically yeah, it's it's yeah, like like kind of like
Speaker 1: an oil platform. I think probably more for exploration that actually,
Speaker 1: and it was probably probably too valuable thing to actually
Speaker 1: uses as an oil platform. But yeah, so it's still
Speaker 1: in service, and who knows, you know, knowing that maybe
Speaker 1: they're obsessed with secrecy, which is probably still a couple
Speaker 1: of cood books lying around and some old Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the huge corporation built this, and and when when the
Speaker 1: huge corporation went down, I mean, did any other information
Speaker 1: ever come out? I mean, I know he was a
Speaker 1: fanatic for secrecy, but I'm just curious if anything ever
Speaker 1: slipped out other than that break in that initially told
Speaker 1: us what was going on, not not that I am
Speaker 1: aware of now, the yeah, it is all it is
Speaker 1: all still secret. I mean, they're pretty good about keeping secrets,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, do we know if that break
Speaker 1: in was motivated by it could have been motivated, but
Speaker 1: as I desire to get the cover story out there,
Speaker 1: um you know, because obviously which cover story? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: there's there's always more than one. Well no, no, I'm serious.
Speaker 1: So what was the cover story? Originally original cover story
Speaker 1: was that it was built for the mining of manganese
Speaker 1: modules break in. Yeah, and then there was a break
Speaker 1: in it which blew that cover story apparently. Um so,
Speaker 1: now so now we got to the next cover story,
Speaker 1: which is they're raising an obsolete diesel submarine off off
Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean floor. Okay, except that that doesn't hold water,
Speaker 1: no pun intended. But but you know, but cover stories
Speaker 1: are always like that. You never have just one. You have.
Speaker 1: They're like a like an onion as you peel back
Speaker 1: the layer get to the next stinky yeah, exactly. So
Speaker 1: it's it's possible that the break innitian. It could have
Speaker 1: entirely possible that for some you know, perhaps they wanted
Speaker 1: to tweet the Soviets a little bit. You know, that's true.
Speaker 1: What's the seventies and it's in the still in the
Speaker 1: Cold War, yeah. Perhaps, you know, they didn't necessarily want
Speaker 1: to tell the truth about why exactly they had built
Speaker 1: the ship and done whatever they've done with it, but
Speaker 1: they decided to be kind of fun to like tweet
Speaker 1: the Soviets. You know, we've already done what we wanted
Speaker 1: to do with it. Let's let's take it out the
Speaker 1: Pacific parkts somewhere, pretend to be raising their sub and
Speaker 1: then we'll have that, and then we'll blow our little
Speaker 1: cover story and tweet the souls. Are there any wild theories?
Speaker 1: I mean, any theories out there? Is that they are
Speaker 1: weird and crazy? That I mean, I have not heard
Speaker 1: any of this. This this thing is like not really
Speaker 1: theory circuit. This thing is not really huge. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: actually not. It's not a story that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are really into. I was waiting to hear that
Speaker 1: this was where we discovered velcro or something crazy like
Speaker 1: law right, explain that timing right? No, exactly there, It
Speaker 1: wasn't the ocean floor. How is this? Look at this? Wow,
Speaker 1: I could hold my shoes together. It's perfect. Ye Oh God,
Speaker 1: who doesn't. Are we going to do a show about Crow?
Speaker 1: We'll have to, Yeah, we'll have to do that this
Speaker 1: week's with Bevell Crow. Well. Anyway, that's about it for
Speaker 1: the story. If I if I think of anything that
Speaker 1: I overlooked in this particular story, I'm listeners, I will
Speaker 1: just sandwich it in at the beginning in the next story.
Speaker 1: There you go, or we just we can just update
Speaker 1: the post on the website. We can do that as well.
Speaker 1: Can I see that. I'm I'm going to continue to
Speaker 1: research this story. It's a fascinating story, and I think
Speaker 1: that someday we'll probably find out what they actually did
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