1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, thinking sideways. I don't understand. 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: You never know stories of things. We simply don't know 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: the answer too. Well. Hey there it's the time for 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: a little unsolved mystery action you guys after that? Okay, Well, 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: first off, my name's Joe, I'm Devin. Okay, let's get 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: rolling here. Uh So, our story starts in nearly seventies. 20 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: There was a breaking at the Hughes Corporation. The breaking 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: led to the revelation that a ship that had been 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: built by the Hughes Corporation, the Gloomar Explorer, which was 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: ostensibly built for exploration and mining of manganese modules from 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: the ocean floor, was not actually built for that purpose 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: at all. It was actually part of a CIA project 26 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: that the Huges Corporation was providing cover for. So the 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: Glomar Explorer was it turns out, not not mining manganese 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: modules at all. It was it was raising a Soviet submarine. 29 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: What's the manganese module. I'm not even sure what the 30 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: hell that is, but there, yeah, there. Apparently there are 31 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: manganese modules on the ocean floor, and manganese as a 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: rare it is a rare metal that's worth a lot 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: of money, I guess. And so you know, if it 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: weren't so dark and expensive to go retrieve those things 35 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: off the ocean floor, then we could actually be grabbing 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: those things and you know, utilizing them. But apparently we're 37 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: not because too much money. Okay. So anyway, as a 38 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: little aside, you know that the cover story was so 39 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: effective that some some major corporations actually put a lot 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: of money into researching how to man how to actually 41 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: retrieve manganese modules themselves for the ocean floor. And let's see, 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: the joke was on them. So anyway, back to back. 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: So let's go back to Napril night. The Sylvia submarine 44 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: K sank into Pacific about ere and miles north northwest 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: of Hawaii. It was an early Soviet boomer. And I'm 46 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: sure you only know what a boomer is, but for 47 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: a few of you who don't know what a boomer is, 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: that's a submarine that carries nuclear missiles. The idea being 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: that you know, if somebody launches an attack in your 50 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: homeland and wipes out like your land based missiles, while 51 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: you still get some hidden out at sea to fire 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: back at the enemy. We've got them. The Soviets have them, 53 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: the Bridge and the French have them. Chinese have them. 54 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's a boomer. So uh this this is 55 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: one of the earliest attempts to the boomer. It was 56 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: a diesel submarine that had been lengthened. The the sale 57 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: had been made larger to accommodate three vertically matted nuclear 58 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: tip missiles. They were liquid fuel and that's probably the 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: wide submarine sank. It is because liquid fuel rockets tend 60 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: to be a lot more prone to accidents, which is 61 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: why we used solid fuel rockets on our boomers. So anyway, 62 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: so it sank. Uh. We didn't know about it at first. 63 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: The what happened is the Navy noticed that huge surge 64 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: of Soviet naval forces into that part of the Pacific, 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: obviously looking for their lost submarine. And so that caused 66 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: us to go back and review our our socias records. 67 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: And I'll show you all know what socias is. But 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: socis yeah, but for a few of you don't, so 69 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: says scratching my head. Yeahs an underwater network of sonar 70 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: sonar receivers that we've got in certain strategic places around 71 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: the world. And there were, and so we actually pick 72 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: up all kinds of noise and run it to computers 73 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: and figure out what's going on in the ocean about 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: how we heard the blop the loop probably Oh yeah, 75 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: it's a listening network. Yeah, it's it's a big underwater 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: listening network. Yeah. Okay, well yeah, I remember the blue 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: but um so anyway, so in response to this, the 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: US went back and reviewed all of its socist records, 79 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: and determined that yes, indeed there were there were some sounds. 80 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: There was first of all a big, a big boom 81 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: associated with explosion, and then somewhat after that, some of 82 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: the sounds associated with the implosion or the death of 83 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: a submarine. So apparently they they probably had a problem 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: with one of their rockets. They surfaced, exploded. They probably 85 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: had a problem with one of their rockets. They surfaced, 86 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: the exploded, and then eventually set the ship wind up 87 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: sinking in about two miles of water, and so and 88 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: so using using triangulation, etcetera, we were able to figure 89 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: out roughly where had gun down. So at that point, 90 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: and by the way that the project was eventually named 91 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: Project as Orion, although they code named a Project Jennifer. 92 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: It was codenamed Project as Orion, but they told the 93 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: President was Project Jennifer, because that's just the way they 94 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: are in the government. I really wanted there to be 95 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: twenty seven of them. Everybody thinks. Everybody thought it was 96 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: a Project Jennifer, but actually his Project as Orion. Yeah. Yeah, 97 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,559 Speaker 1: there's like and so yeah, I mean like, well, there's 98 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: a guy who was part of the whole thing. He 99 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: was on the Halibut which was a spy sub that 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: we're out looking for the wreckage of the submarine. Eventually, 101 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: like you know, many years later, like in the nineties, 102 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: he wrote a book about it called Spiceub And in 103 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: his book, the halibut was called the viperfish exactly everywhere 104 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't. He he couldn't and you know, everybody, the Sovieust, Chinese, 105 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: all everybody knows it's called the halibut. You know, we 106 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: all know this, But he was still required to call 107 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: it something else. So he called up the piper fish. 108 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: That's how that's how silly they are about this stuff. Yeah, 109 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: I know. So the guy's name was Roger Dunham and 110 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: he was on board the halibut, and the halibut was 111 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: was equipped to trail an apparatus behind it, which they 112 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: called the fish. And the fish was basically, remember this 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: isn't this isn't like the early seventies and we didn't 114 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: have digital photography and all that stuff. So what they 115 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: had to do was they had to trail this thing 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: underneath the sub and behind the sub and do race 117 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: track patters just go up and down in a grid 118 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: pattern over the ocean floor and then and then regularly 119 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: haul the thing up back into the boat, pulled off 120 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: the film canisters, and developed the film. Yeah, and so 121 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: eventually the day came and they were they were down 122 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: there for weeks looking around, and eventually the day came 123 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: when hey spotted something and so they had pictures of 124 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: something on the ocean floor, you know, the the K 125 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: one nine. So they had found what they were looking for. 126 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: And so at that point that's when it's time to 127 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: figure out what to do with it. It was laying 128 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: on a side one of the missiles that slid out 129 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: of the top of the sail, and there was just 130 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: the stock got around that we should probably try to 131 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: raise it. And so the glow War Explorer was built 132 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: for that express purpose of raising that submarine to see 133 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: to explore their missile technology and maybe get to look 134 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: at the codebooks you knows going on. Uh, And so 135 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: the Glow Wire Explorer was purpose built for this very mission. 136 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: It was it had this thing called the claw that 137 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: was then it had a moon pool in the middle 138 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: of the ship. The moon pool was just a big 139 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: pool that was opened on the bottom, had closing doors, 140 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: doors that could close, but it could open up and 141 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: it was at her ninety nine ft long, and then 142 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: at either end of that there were these crane type arrangements. 143 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: What essentially what essentially they did was they would lower 144 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: down these big steel pipes, slowly lower them down. There's 145 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: other big machinery pieces that would grab the next piece, 146 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: these in where I believe sixty ft long piece, and 147 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: they were threaded on either end, and so you would 148 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: lower this thing down all the way. These two pieces 149 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: of steel they are attached to the claw, and then 150 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: the cranes bring up two more big huge tubes of 151 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: steel and and they're threaded into the ones below, yeah yeah, 152 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: and then those things are slowly lowered, and then and 153 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: then the next the next pair of tubes are brought up, 154 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: threaded in, slowly lowered. So the process of actually getting 155 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: the claw down to the K one twin yeah yeah, 156 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: and bringing it back up took many days and so 157 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: so it was revealed many years after the fact that 158 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: what had happened. The claw had five claws to it. Essentially, 159 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: it was like five there were five individual claws that 160 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: could grasp the submarine and then bring it back up. 161 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: And so they unfortunately they had an unfortunate incident. According 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: to what the Navy said the they went down too fast, 163 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: they slammed the claw into the ocean bottom and yeah, 164 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: and then they managed to maneuver it over to the 165 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: Sumner rine that I didn't I don't know, I don't 166 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: know if I mentioned the claw actually had had like 167 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: propellers and stuff on it so that they could actually 168 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: because there was such a long ways away that there 169 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: was nothing they could do from there and as far 170 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: as like like pushing on the pipes or anything to 171 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: guide this thing. So they had to basically using underwater 172 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,479 Speaker 1: cameras and lites and everything like that. They would use propellers. 173 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: They were amounted on this thing to to pull it 174 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: in various directions to get a centered over where they 175 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: needed to be and centered over the wreckage. And then 176 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: they when they hooked the wreckage with the clock. Yeah, 177 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: I know this this sounds this This makes me think 178 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: of have you ever taken a tape major and run 179 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: it out to about six foot and it's trying to 180 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: bend and not quite break and you're trying to get 181 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: it over to touch something and that's that's difficult. And 182 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: that's just a six foot tape masure. Yeah, this was 183 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: two miles down a couple of miles down and always down. 184 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: It was like very very difficult operation. And yet and yes, 185 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: I think is the word that comes to mind that too. 186 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: And and yet somehow, oh they alast on the way up. Um. 187 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: On the way up, some of the claus broke and 188 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: the part of the submarine fell apparently, so they actually 189 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: managed to hook it. Yeah, they actually managed to get 190 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: this thing wrapped around the sub The cloud was really 191 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: like holding on the sub bringing it up. And unfortunately 192 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: about some of the clause broke on the way back 193 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: up under the stress, and most of the submarine was lost, 194 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: and essentially the nose remained and the rest of it 195 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: broke away. So that is the official story, um so, 196 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: But of course there's a lot of problems with that story. 197 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: Did they get the nose, they bring it up. They 198 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: did bring the nose up. They brought the nose up. 199 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: They actually found out the remains of some Soviet sailors 200 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: and they gave them a burial. Let's sea supposedly, didn't 201 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: they already have one of those? Yeah, and they didn't. 202 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: But they didn't find much of value because people's are 203 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: giant too. Okay, Okay, there's several problems with this story. Okay, 204 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: the K the K wast long, the sub the sub 205 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: that they were retrieving, yea long the moon pool of 206 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: the Glamore Explorer. Wast Long now purpose built for the 207 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: mission of raising a submarine. That's what. How dot longer 208 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: than the moon pool? You kind of got to ask, 209 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, exactly why they didn't make it longer moon pool? 210 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: But one question about that. A Navy spokesman said that 211 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: the plan was to haul it up and then have 212 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: divers go down and cut the cut the ends of 213 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: the submarine off because they were mainly interested in the 214 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: middle park with the where the missiles were. They were 215 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: just going to cut it off. But that's more than 216 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: half of the sub, isn't it. They would have to 217 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: half cut off almost half, I mean threet it would 218 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: have to cut it down, and it's them to add 219 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: no more than I've a little bit of play right 220 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: five at the most. Yeah, so they're losing a lot 221 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: of sub there. Well, and it's a sub It's not 222 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: as if it's just a shell and you cut outside 223 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: shell and it falls apart exactly. I mean, the process 224 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: of cutting the ends off is you're talking weeks at 225 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: least many weeks, because there's framing, there's decks, there's all 226 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: kinds of there's piping and two being all. That's the 227 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: sort of thing they do for you know, months on 228 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: a dry dock, on a shed. Yeah, exactly. Imagine doing 229 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: that underwater and you know, especially you know, let's see 230 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: with waves and everything. And the next problem is that 231 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: the the next problem is that somehow the nose remained, uh, 232 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: some of the notes remained in the clause even and 233 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: the rest of the sub broke away. But it seems 234 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: rather unlikely that even if the nose was even if 235 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: there was damage to the sub, and I'm sure there was, 236 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be so extensive that that the nose 237 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been pulled out with the rest of the 238 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: wreckage out of the clause. It seems rather than likely. 239 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: And last of all, last of all, how did they 240 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: get the nose into the moon pool? Because theoretically the 241 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: nose should have been sticking way out one end of 242 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: the clause if it stayed behind. So yeah, so how 243 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: exactly did they get that nose into the moon pool? 244 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: And there's there's no wreck close that says, quote unquote, 245 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: this is what we did correct as and this is 246 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: how we got the nose in the moon. Yeah. No, 247 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: they never explained that. Now explained. I'm just thinking, Okay, well, 248 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: let's let's just run with the let's just run with 249 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: the story. Okay, Well we we pull it up and 250 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: a big chunk of it breaks away. Oh crud. The 251 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: only part that we've got left is what we meant 252 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: to cut off and it won't fit in the hole. Well, 253 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: it's like trying to get something in your car that's 254 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: too big. You got to tie it onto something and 255 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: sent it down. And I can just imagine they would 256 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: have gone in with some kind of cabling and attached 257 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: the superstructure, let go with the claw, and it would 258 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: have drifted down own and then they would have craned 259 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: it up. That is that is entirely possible. They could 260 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: have done something like that, could have like you know, 261 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if they had anything on board that 262 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: was capable of hauling that much weight besides the clots, 263 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: so but you know, they could have. They could have 264 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: actually attached cables, dropped it, let it be suspended, bring 265 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: the claw back down and grab it, bring it back up. 266 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: So that's entirely possible if that's what they did. I mean, 267 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: that's what I'm just thinking. Okay, well, let's just say 268 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: the story is true, that the cover story that we're 269 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: that is the cover story for the first story. Let's 270 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: just say that's true, and it's the only plausible way 271 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: I could see it happen. I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, 272 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: So anyway, but it is suspicious that, you know, they 273 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: would if they custom built the ship, and you know, 274 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about structural integrity of ships or 275 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: anything like that. I don't know if it was you know, 276 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: impossible for them to do that to make it actually 277 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: make it actually that long, you know, especially the moon pool, 278 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: the ship would have pretty big. It would have had 279 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: to be very big accommodate that large ball moon pool. Um, 280 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: but why would you why would you do that? Well? 281 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: Why would you? Why would you go to all this 282 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: trouble and expense to raise an obsolete diesel submarine? I mean, yeah, 283 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: I guess that's the real question, isn't it. There wasn't 284 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: There wasn't much in there. I mean, the Soviets had 285 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: liquid fuel rockets, which was a technology that we had 286 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: already had abandoned. Solid fuel rockets so it's like the 287 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: it's not like we were really chone and for their 288 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: rocket to and of course they were nukes, right, Yeah, 289 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: so it would have been probably possibly that would have 290 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: been some usefulness to see in their nuclear warheads and 291 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, figuring out how tinkering with those a little 292 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: bit would have been some usefulness there. But again, you know, uh, 293 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: it probably would have been easier to just grab one 294 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: of the rockets that are falling out and just you know, 295 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: build a much smaller have a much smaller operation that 296 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: goes down and just grabbed the rocket that's a missile 297 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: ocean and you know, are their series about these problems? No, no, 298 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: I I had no theories myself. While I have theories, 299 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: but I don't believe him very very much. It's a 300 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: couple of theories. One is that, oh and I wanted 301 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: one other thing I wanted to mention too, is that 302 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: there's a guy who was involved with this project called 303 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: John Craven who wrote eventually wrote with his memoirs. He 304 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: was in the Navy, not actually with the Navy, who 305 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: was a scientist, and he was involved in the sonar 306 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: search for not only the wreckage of the cave one 307 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: twenty nine. He was He was the guy that actually 308 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: orchestrated the search to find it to the sonar records 309 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: pinpoint its location. And he also he also was part 310 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: of the search signed the Scorpion, which was a U 311 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: S submarine a sanc in night. There's a skip Jack 312 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: class sub the SINC in the Atlantic off the Azors. 313 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: So he wrote as a memoirs and his memoirs he 314 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: said he was talking about projects as oar and he 315 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: said that he he said that he had seen the 316 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: photographs that were taken by the hell but and that 317 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: he was surprised to hear that what the photographs were 318 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: of was a diesel submarine. That's what he said. Did 319 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: he did he say what he thought they were going 320 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: to be? He now he he didn't say what the 321 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: photographs were of. He just said basically they it wasn't 322 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: it was not a diesel submarine. Have these photos ever 323 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: been released? Not that I know of. No. And this 324 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: happened again. What was the year they pulled it? That 325 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: was the year the submarine sank. It was the early 326 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: seventies when the same one it was actually okay, okay, yeah, 327 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: So Free Information Act extends how far back yeah, I 328 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: don't you know. They usually it's it's I would say, 329 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: it's it's long past time to release those things. And 330 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: actually I have not yet researched, said my bad, I 331 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: should probably try to find out if any of those 332 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: photographs have been released, But I really suspect they haven't 333 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: been released because I suspect what I suspect actually happened 334 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: is that when the K one twenty nine sank, when 335 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: a submarine, good hands in the position of the plane, 336 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: but saying say, for example, uh, the is the runners 337 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: straight then, and then the stern points have been straightened, 338 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: and so you start to sink, and eventually, if you 339 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: knows is if you if your nose is a little bit, 340 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: and you'll start going more vertical, and at that point 341 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: you're control surfaces in the rear submarine basically act like 342 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: flutes on an arrow, and so they drive you down 343 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: or drive you down where's essentially you're gonna You're gonna 344 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: wind up going straight down. So if the came one 345 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: twenty nights, when the came on sank, I'm guessing that 346 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: probably it went and nose first. The nose was completely demolished, 347 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: and so that's why they maybe felt very comfortable saying 348 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: that they recovered the nose because the nose no longer 349 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: existed anyway. What I believe is that the Glomar Explorer 350 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: and one that was built for another mission, It performed 351 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: that mission and land later on. As part of their 352 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: little cover story, they went out to this part of 353 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: the Pacific where this thing had been with a submarined 354 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: sunk and they parked out there for weeks and pretended 355 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: to raise the wreckage of the submarine. That is my belief. 356 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: Now what whatever it was actually raised, I'm not sure 357 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: it could have been. It could have been the wreckage 358 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: of the Scorpion, which I mentioned a few minutes ago. Uh, 359 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: there was a lot of there was actually speculation of 360 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: the submarine in community that the Scorpion had been sunk 361 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: for the Soviets. So there probably was ovation to raise 362 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: the wreckage and find out what precisely had sunk the scorpion. 363 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: So how big was the scorpion? Well, that's the problem. 364 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: Scorpion was two ft long big for that. Yeah. Well, um, 365 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: when it hit it kind of kind of hit notes first. 366 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: So what happened is part of the after section telescoped in, 367 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: so it did get it did get compressed someone I 368 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: was I was doing a little research to try to 369 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: find out exactly how extensive the damage was and how short, basically, 370 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: how short that the scorpion had become from its impact. 371 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: I've seen pictures. Of course, these could be doctored pictures too, 372 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: because you know, if they if it turns out that 373 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: they they were able to take on the water pictures 374 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: of the scorpion, but if actually it exts torpedo, they 375 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: would probably airbrush that because you know, because I'm admitting 376 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: that Sylviets have declared and they basically declared war on 377 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: you by committing an active war, and then you've got 378 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: to do something about it. So the story that I heard, 379 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: I know some submariners UM, and submariners have noticed a 380 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: silence service because they never talked about their stuff. But 381 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: of course they talk all the time. I've heard from 382 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: a couple of them that, yeah, the the scorpion was 383 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: in their boats and main revenge but you know, hockey okay, um. 384 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: So that and I have also be reader that the 385 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: Navy had indeed wreckage somewhere, but again it could be 386 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: just pure garbage, this purebs who knows. So anyway, it's 387 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: a mystery. So we don't know. I could have been 388 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: the wreckage of maybe an experimental Sylvia's subresparent, one of 389 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: our experimental submarines. It could have been a UFO. So 390 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: when after so obviously we don't know exactly what it did. 391 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: But after this mission, what did they do with the 392 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: Glomar Explorer? And the Glomar Explorer got refitted? Actually, you know, 393 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: I had the good force and actually see the Glomar Explorer. 394 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: It was right here in Portland. That was like I 395 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: somewhere in there. I was taking a jet road right 396 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: you know the jet boats. They're right by the the 397 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: USS Blue Back, the Mighty Blue Back down Hotly. Yeah, yes, 398 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: I took a jet boat ride. And then we went 399 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: up to a Cascade General shipyard. On the outside of 400 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: the shipyard was nothing, no less than the Glomar Explorer. 401 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: I was here for a refit apparently they forget, I 402 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: forget exactly what they refitted it for. But it's still 403 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: in service sie ft Long so it's just starting. So, so, 404 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: how how wide was the moon pool? How what is 405 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: the moon pool? Yeah, I'm just trying. I'm trying to 406 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: get a general scale of the of the glomar. So, like, 407 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: how long? How big is the Yeah? I mean, is 408 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: it a giant block up floating in the ocean essentially, 409 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: or I'm just trying to get an idea of what 410 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: it actually looks like a ship. I've actually got a 411 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: picture here. Yeah, it's six nineteen feet long, as you 412 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: can see. You can see in those towers there. Those 413 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: are the towers that those those great big steel pipes 414 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: going there are in. Oh, so that I'm glad you 415 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: showed me the photo because it looks just like any 416 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: other ocean going vessel. I expected this thing to be 417 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: some crazy widening to accommodate the weight in the poll 418 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: and all of that. You thought it would look like 419 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: some sort of floating dry dock. Yeah, essentially that's what 420 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: I would have expected it. Yeah, but no, it's like, yeah, 421 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: six six nine ft long, it's got a regular bow 422 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: and everything. It's just got that fantastine feet and beam. 423 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at this. So anyway, it was mothball, 424 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: eventually refitted um and eventually got sold off and it's 425 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: still in service today sort in vessel for felling radiation 426 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, asked me again, Uh, do you 427 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: know what they're doing thing like that. Yeah, it was. 428 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: It was converted in Cashi general was modified to a 429 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: what they call a dynamically to drilling ship capable of 430 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: drilling of waters of Fetu, and it was some modification 431 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: up to like eleven eleven thousand, five hundred feet. So 432 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: it's yeah, Devin's right, is a genet drilling ship now? Yeah? Yeah, 433 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: basically yeah, it's it's yeah, like like kind of like 434 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: an oil platform. I think probably more for exploration that actually, 435 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: and it was probably probably too valuable thing to actually 436 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: uses as an oil platform. But yeah, so it's still 437 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: in service, and who knows, you know, knowing that maybe 438 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: they're obsessed with secrecy, which is probably still a couple 439 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: of cood books lying around and some old Yeah, so 440 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: the huge corporation built this, and and when when the 441 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: huge corporation went down, I mean, did any other information 442 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: ever come out? I mean, I know he was a 443 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: fanatic for secrecy, but I'm just curious if anything ever 444 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: slipped out other than that break in that initially told 445 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: us what was going on, not not that I am 446 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: aware of now, the yeah, it is all it is 447 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: all still secret. I mean, they're pretty good about keeping secrets, 448 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: believe it or not, do we know if that break 449 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: in was motivated by it could have been motivated, but 450 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: as I desire to get the cover story out there, 451 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: um you know, because obviously which cover story? Yeah, exactly, 452 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: there's there's always more than one. Well no, no, I'm serious. 453 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: So what was the cover story? Originally original cover story 454 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: was that it was built for the mining of manganese 455 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: modules break in. Yeah, and then there was a break 456 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: in it which blew that cover story apparently. Um so, 457 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: now so now we got to the next cover story, 458 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: which is they're raising an obsolete diesel submarine off off 459 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean floor. Okay, except that that doesn't hold water, 460 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: no pun intended. But but you know, but cover stories 461 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: are always like that. You never have just one. You have. 462 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: They're like a like an onion as you peel back 463 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: the layer get to the next stinky yeah, exactly. So 464 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: it's it's possible that the break innitian. It could have 465 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: entirely possible that for some you know, perhaps they wanted 466 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: to tweet the Soviets a little bit. You know, that's true. 467 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: What's the seventies and it's in the still in the 468 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: Cold War, yeah. Perhaps, you know, they didn't necessarily want 469 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: to tell the truth about why exactly they had built 470 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: the ship and done whatever they've done with it, but 471 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: they decided to be kind of fun to like tweet 472 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: the Soviets. You know, we've already done what we wanted 473 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: to do with it. Let's let's take it out the 474 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: Pacific parkts somewhere, pretend to be raising their sub and 475 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: then we'll have that, and then we'll blow our little 476 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: cover story and tweet the souls. Are there any wild theories? 477 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, any theories out there? Is that they are 478 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: weird and crazy? That I mean, I have not heard 479 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: any of this. This this thing is like not really 480 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: theory circuit. This thing is not really huge. Okay, it's 481 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: actually not. It's not a story that a lot of 482 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: people are really into. I was waiting to hear that 483 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: this was where we discovered velcro or something crazy like 484 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: law right, explain that timing right? No, exactly there, It 485 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: wasn't the ocean floor. How is this? Look at this? Wow, 486 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: I could hold my shoes together. It's perfect. Ye Oh God, 487 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: who doesn't. Are we going to do a show about Crow? 488 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: We'll have to, Yeah, we'll have to do that this 489 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: week's with Bevell Crow. Well. Anyway, that's about it for 490 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: the story. If I if I think of anything that 491 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: I overlooked in this particular story, I'm listeners, I will 492 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: just sandwich it in at the beginning in the next story. 493 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: There you go, or we just we can just update 494 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: the post on the website. We can do that as well. 495 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: Can I see that. I'm I'm going to continue to 496 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: research this story. It's a fascinating story, and I think 497 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: that someday we'll probably find out what they actually did 498 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: with the Glomar Explorer say podcast. Okay, but okay, So 499 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: for those of you are interested in following up or 500 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: more fascinating details, or you know, if maybe you just 501 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: want to, like you know, go over it again, just 502 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: be sure you have it all down right. Write us 503 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: about the story or anything like that. It's Thinking Side 504 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: Aways podcast at gmail. Okay, okay. And also if you 505 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: would like to write us if you're somebody out there, 506 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: like first, say, say, for example, if you're Dr John 507 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: Craven and you want to talk about you know, some 508 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: of the details of that stuff, we would love to 509 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: hear from you. Anybody else out there. Also, Roger Dunham. 510 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: You please also write to us is Thinking Sideways podcast 511 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: at gmail. That's it for tonight or today anyway. That's 512 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: it for today, so we'll see you next week. For now, guys, 513 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm Joe by Aliens. It's aliens, Aliens. Yes, it's the Aliens. 514 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: Somebody agrees with me. Finally