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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's Elizabeth doddon Sarah Burnett. Do we admit that we've

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Speaker 2: been gone for a while or just skip all past that?

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Speaker 3: Do we did what?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Like I said, do you know what's ridiculous? I

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Speaker 2: do what? What's ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: This happened about ten years ago? And I'm just bringing

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Speaker 5: this up because I like to bring up things that

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Speaker 5: happened ten years.

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Speaker 2: You really are did that whole Desenniel thing?

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Speaker 5: But also you know we're getting close to Halloween and

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Speaker 5: a spooky season as some people call it. Did you

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Speaker 5: know that a man was once fined for pretending to

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Speaker 5: be a ghost in a cemetery? It was inouth fined

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Speaker 5: for It was in Portsmouth in England. And this guy,

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Speaker 5: Anthony Stollard, he was you know, he'd been out drinking

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Speaker 5: with friends, naturally, and they wanted to play a little footy,

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Speaker 5: not foot sea, but footy little soccer.

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Speaker 3: So they went to the local cemetery.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of grass, a lot of grass.

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Speaker 3: There are some obstacles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally face it right, you got natural goals?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Is there kicking it about?

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Speaker 2: Huh? In that?

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Speaker 5: And the what nots and the so forth. And but

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Speaker 5: then he starts throwing his arms in the air and

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Speaker 5: saying woo. And apparently that was too much for the

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Speaker 5: people who called the cops.

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Speaker 3: The cops showed up.

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Speaker 2: Uh, the soccer was fine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And so he got fined thirty five pounds. He

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Speaker 5: had to pay a twenty pound victim surcharge and twenty

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Speaker 5: pounds in costs.

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Speaker 3: Damn the victim. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They just is it like their version of card costs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And then he also had three months added to a

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Speaker 5: conditional charge for a previous harassment that he was in

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Speaker 5: breach of.

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Speaker 2: So he was it also a cemetery related harassment?

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Speaker 3: I think?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 2: I think this is he bring was it his idea

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Speaker 2: to go to the cemetery? Is he just trying to

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Speaker 2: get his friends to the cemetery?

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Speaker 5: I think this twenty four year old boy gets a

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Speaker 5: little loose and his you know, pretended to be a

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Speaker 5: good may be pretended to be someone very loud. I

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Speaker 5: don't know, but you know what, bottom line ridiculous, arn ridiculous, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, so ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Thank you know what's as ridiculous? Tell me we'll sit

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Speaker 2: back down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, I was gonna.

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Speaker 2: Leave the entertainment industry. Yeah, yeah, I know. There's this

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Speaker 2: evergreen question. It's one you may get asked, Elizabeth. The

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Speaker 2: question is this, how do you break into the entertainment industry? Right?

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Speaker 2: It's really a ridiculous question, is it is? Back in

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Speaker 2: my Hollywood day? Is this one seasoned producer told me.

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Speaker 4: Kid, there's no way to break in, no course to follow,

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Speaker 4: no path to take.

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Speaker 2: That's just the way you break in. Whatever that is. Like, No,

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Speaker 2: that's amazing, Thank you, Thelma. That was really excellent advice.

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Speaker 2: I'll take that to heart anyway. My whole point is, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: that that advice was certainly true for country music legend

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Speaker 2: Chris Christofferson. Oh are I pe is right? Rip to

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Speaker 2: the king, the other king of country King. I know

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Speaker 2: you love them. So that's why I want to tell

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Speaker 2: you this one, Elizabeth, buckle up, because you ever heard

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Speaker 2: the story of how he broke in?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Get this. It's a ridiculous crime. What this is? Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heist and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one percent ridiculous. Yes, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: so I already asked you have you ever heard how

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Speaker 2: Chris Christofferson broke into country music? And you said, I

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Speaker 2: don't think so. All right, so were you Were you

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Speaker 2: being honest about there? Just trying to be friendly with me?

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Speaker 3: I'm always honest.

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Speaker 2: You really don't know, Okay, I don't have to play

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Speaker 2: due this here's story. It involves Johnny Cash, a Louisiana

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Speaker 2: oil rig, and a stolen helicopter. I'm in yeah right, Wait,

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Speaker 2: let me back up, Elizabeth, What all do you know

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Speaker 2: about Chris Christophers? And I know he's the king for

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Speaker 2: both of us, but like, what do you know about him?

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Speaker 2: Like personal life?

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Speaker 3: I got your Rhodes scholar, veteran.

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Speaker 5: Actor, yeah right, songwriter, singer, glorious tap dancers.

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Speaker 2: He actually was well we'll get into that, but he

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Speaker 2: he was a gandy dancer. Yeah yeah, right, So but

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Speaker 2: you know, he just obviously passed away. So all right,

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Speaker 2: pee friend of the show. I know, as we like

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Speaker 2: to say, rest easy, cowboy poet, rest easy. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: I want to pick him up because he's a cowboy

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Speaker 2: poet and I'm heavy on the poet. But he was like, you,

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Speaker 2: I think you are because we've mentioned him a lot

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Speaker 2: to each other. Huge fan of William Blake. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: like William Blake, right, I mean not a huge fan

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Speaker 2: like he was. No, exactly, you don't have the mug

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Speaker 2: with like infinity in the palm of the hand.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: But he quoted him all the time as a country singer,

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Speaker 2: as you pointed out, Rhodes scholar, super literate. Right, he

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Speaker 2: was actually classically educated military brat. So back to William Blake,

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Speaker 2: my man, Chris Christopherson, as I said, he loved him

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Speaker 2: some bad billy Blake. He beheld that infinity in the

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Speaker 2: palm of his hand. Now on his personal website, Chris

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Speaker 2: Christopherson dot com, there's a biography page. I read it,

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Speaker 2: you know, Oh, good for research, and it's careful to

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Speaker 2: include his love of William Blake, like I'm telling you,

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Speaker 2: he wants you to know this man's his man. So

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Speaker 2: and I quote he believed that songwriting is a spiritual

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Speaker 2: communion of mind, body, and soul. And he believed that

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Speaker 2: William Blake was correct in asserting that anyone divinely ordered

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Speaker 2: for spiritual communion, but burries his talent will be pursued

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Speaker 2: by sorrow and desperation through life and by shame and

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Speaker 2: confusion for eternity. Basically, you will go to hell if

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, as Chris himself clarified into Ken Burns multi part

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Speaker 2: PBS documentary Country Music, which I recommend, Yeah, he points

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Speaker 2: out and I quote this is Chris Christofferson quote. Blake

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Speaker 4: You that you'll be miserable if you don't do what

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Speaker 4: you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. Yeah, spoiler alert, Elizabeth, you don't

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Speaker 2: want to be miserable. It sucks. I do not listen

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Speaker 2: to William Blake exactly. No, that was kind of like

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Speaker 2: the motto of the outlaw country music legends. Chris Christopherson

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Speaker 2: and Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, they all agreed with that

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Speaker 2: basic cowboy notion them. Yeah, totally. I'm only leaving Johnny

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Speaker 2: Cash out because he's more in Elvis's group of age.

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Speaker 2: He's not really an outlaw countryman. You know, he'd found

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Speaker 2: Jesus by then. But they all did it, even the highwaymen.

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Speaker 2: I think you can throw Johnny Cash in this regard.

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Speaker 2: They all agree with that cowboy notion. If it feels good,

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Speaker 2: I'll do it. Yeah, right now. You know they're free spirits, yes,

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Speaker 2: much like your co host. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this is why these guys, as I tell you,

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Speaker 2: are my favorite philosophers. And Willie is now unfortunately the

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Speaker 2: only one I can say is my favorite living philosopher.

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Speaker 2: But Christofferson he's my favorite poet of the bunch. And

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Speaker 2: as I said, he could quote William Blake from memory,

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Speaker 2: but not only that, he had all kinds of poems

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Speaker 2: that he had up there stored in his head. I

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Speaker 2: always want to be able to do.

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Speaker 3: That, just recite poems from memory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, have a bunch of poems that I love

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Speaker 2: memorized so I can share them whenever the moment or

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Speaker 2: need arises, like do you have that? Do you have

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Speaker 2: poems memorized? And I'm not talking like Robert Frost to

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Speaker 2: walk in the snow he would, I'm not what I

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Speaker 5: There were a few that I used to know, and

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Speaker 5: you know, my memory is shot, so that's kind of

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Speaker 3: But what I do like to do.

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Speaker 5: Is say that it's a poem by some famous poet

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Speaker 5: and just make it up on the spot like that,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's it's easy.

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Speaker 2: You know, everyone has Google in their pocket now right.

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Speaker 2: People don't care, they don't take the time.

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Speaker 3: No one google. People are told things.

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Speaker 5: No one looks anything up, Curiodit is actually you could

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Speaker 5: just riff and make up a pone be like you know,

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Speaker 5: and that was where it's worth life at seven No way.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it's so good. I memorized it. You

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Speaker 2: It speaks to beauty and how you find it in

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Speaker 2: fleeting moments. I mean, there you go. So it's anyway.

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Speaker 2: The song The Pilgrim Chris Christopherson, he riffed on John

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Speaker 2: Bunyan's work Pilgrim's Progress, because he's all literate like that.

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Speaker 2: He had that amazing couple it. He's a walking contradiction,

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Speaker 2: his lonely way back home. It's very much like kind

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Speaker 2: to those. It speaks to the general vibe of Chris Christofferson.

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Speaker 2: So what else do we need to know or want

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Speaker 2: in my love of memorizing poetry and his shared love

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Speaker 2: of actually having poems memorized. Tell me well for one.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Chris Christopherson was born in a border town in Texas. Yeah, Bordertown,

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Speaker 2: now border Brownsville, Texas. Yeah, there you go. I knew

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Speaker 2: that would get you. So in the middle of the depression. Oh, Brownsville, Texas,

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the depression. Yeah, June twenty second,

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty six. Feel bad for his mom pregnant in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the depression in Brownsville, Texas, Like nine

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Speaker 3: He's a scrabble that is classified as hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely the hardest. Only diamond can cut that scrabble.

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Speaker 2: His life is mostly buffeted in early days, but from

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Speaker 2: the worst of the depression by the fact that he

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Speaker 2: you know, food and pay and so forth. His father

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Speaker 2: father later would go on to be a modern major general. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 2: like legit, that's what he was. His rank was major

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Speaker 2: general in the Air Force.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I added the modern park, but anyway that helps

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Speaker 2: to keep food on the table. Yeah, and so this

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Speaker 2: military brat, he's moving around a lot, makes for a

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Speaker 2: lonesome childhood, also highly self reliant childhood, so he probably

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Speaker 2: didn't even notice how lonesome he was until later on.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those.

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Speaker 3: Things about being definitely like that is common, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know that one. So Christ Chris Jfferson, he seems

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Speaker 2: to excel at everything he does. You pointed out earlier.

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Speaker 2: He becomes a Rhodes scholar, but he's also moving around

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Speaker 2: this entire time. So this is somebody who's like also

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Speaker 2: good at making friends, so he's good socially, he's good

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Speaker 2: at school. His family moves out to eventually to California.

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Speaker 2: He graduates not too far from here. Sam Matteo played

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Speaker 2: football at school, went to Pomona College down south, right.

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Speaker 2: He played football in college too. He also boxed. And

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Speaker 2: Oh, completely, everything you can hear this is all lined

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now when his family hears what he's doing throughing

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Speaker 3: Follow your heart, stand in your truth. Chris.

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Speaker 3: The way the founding father's intended Yes.

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Speaker 2: So let's take a little break, Elizabeth. Now we got

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Elizabeth, Aaron, Hey, we're back.

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Speaker 2: We are. My eyes are up here. Oh okay, I

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Speaker 3: He's literally breaking in as you need, like the thermal lance.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the plan. So oh yeah, So here's how

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Speaker 2: Kick down them doors. He just needs a helicopter and

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Speaker 3: Story and some hot chicken.

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Speaker 2: So, as I told you, he's got a couple of assets.

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Speaker 2: No, he did not put that on his resume. He

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Speaker 2: So while he's working his janitor job, letting his hair

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Speaker 2: So he's like, you know, not hurt by it, but

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Speaker 2: He's like, get this to Johnny, Get this to Johnny?

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Speaker 2: Can you get this to Johnny? And they get to Johnny.

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Speaker 5: Three hundred years from now when like the you know,

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Speaker 3: From Mars and they're like, let's dig this out Garfield mug.

437
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 3: And is that Chris christ sounds like.

438
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have recorded this, so as I said, he's

439
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 2: pitching everything he's got right add to Johnny, nothing is

440
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 2: sticking right. So and Johnny even admits this, sitting right

441
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 2: next to Chris Christophers and on the British Show, Johnny said,

442
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 2: I think I was guilty of throwing some of the

443
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 2: Christmas songs in the lake.

444
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, see he must have thrown so much in

445
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 3: the lake.

446
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 2: We gotta get we get hold of some scuba gear

447
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 2: getting this lake do it?

448
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 3: The disrespect for the environment.

449
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 2: Well, this doesn't stop Chris Christopherson, thank god. It only

450
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: gives him something to overcome. I remember hard work or competitive,

451
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 2: macho guy with an artist sensitive heart. So he keeps

452
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: giving his demo tapes to Chewing Carter and she keeps

453
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 2: adding them to the large pilot tapes that Johnny Cash

454
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: flings when he gets home. And it this is boy

455
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 2: Chris Christofferson. He's in his thirties, right, so he's getting

456
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: up there and he's janitor. He's separated from his wife.

457
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: He's still knocking on the door of the music industry, right,

458
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: and he's riding around town on an old Honda motorcycle, right,

459
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: just like a little banger. And he's like he'd attend

460
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: guitar pickings with other singers and songwriters, so they're passing

461
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 2: the battle around and maybe some crackers and a guitar,

462
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: so yeah, like maybe some cheese, so I don't know rits.

463
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: Actually he gets getting all like that's that's the challenge.

464
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like like, will hand me that hooch and I'll.

465
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: Rinse it down exactly. Now what have you been there? Now?

466
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 3: I'm just full of whiskey and ritz crackers.

467
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 5: This song was written on whiskey and ritz crackers exactly.

468
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: See, this is how country music comes to be.

469
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,719
Speaker 3: The digestive issues.

470
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 2: And also they have a bunch of hippy cut so

471
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of pot going around to them,

472
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: all sorts of cotton mouth issues in this group. So

473
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 2: to be able to send some money back to his family,

474
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: because he's not entirely avoiding his responsibilities. I was portraying

475
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: him as like kind of a dead but he was not.

476
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: He was like still managing, you know, to get his family,

477
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 2: you know, the money they needed to be you know,

478
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: fed clouds.

479
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: To be insulted.

480
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: Exactly. So he gets a job for He's get a

481
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: job buying helicopters commercially professionally, right, Okay, now the time

482
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: is well, no, no, there's big demand for helicopter pilots

483
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 2: for the oil industry in the Gulf of Mexico and

484
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: that's not so far from Nashville. It's like one state away. Essentially,

485
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: he's got to go down to Louisiana. It's the other

486
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: end of Tennessee. But you know, anyway, so the time,

487
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: the big demand for helicopter pilots is there, so he's

488
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: got the Petroleum Helicopters International. Sweet job for him at

489
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: a Lafayette, Louisiana, as he tells it, and I quote.

490
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 4: That was about the last three years before I started performing,

491
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 4: before people started cutting my songs.

492
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: I would work a.

493
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: Week down here in South Louisiana for PHI, sitting on

494
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 4: an oil platform and flying helicopters. Then I go back

495
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 4: to Nashville at the end of the week and spend

496
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: a week up there trying to pitch the songs, then

497
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 4: come back down and write songs for another week. I remember,

498
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 4: help me make it through the night I wrote it

499
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: sitting on top of an oil platform. I wrote, Bobby

500
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 4: McGhee down here, Wow, he's down there sitting on oil

501
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 4: rigs writing Bobby McGee Like.

502
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 5: If you're his coworker and you're hearing all his stories,

503
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 5: Like I'm a Rhodes scholar and I was in the

504
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 5: military as an officer and then he's like, I just.

505
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 2: Hanging out with Johnny Cash who just like.

506
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 3: Putting the herd on a bunch of Ritz crackers time.

507
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: And then he's like, I'm gonna be break into Nashville.

508
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 4: Uh huh.

509
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: This copter pilot is he flapping the cartels to eat

510
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: anything other than Ritz maybe a couple of kippered herings.

511
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: So this last song that I mentioned Bobby McGee that

512
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: becomes a hit for him when Janis Jope records it. Now, Elizabeth,

513
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: do you know that Janis Joplin and Chris Christofferson had

514
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: a thing.

515
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: I just don't know, a romance.

516
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: They got shipped by fate. Yeah, no, they were like

517
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: a romantically involved, like legit for the last three months

518
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: of her life, Nolah, and she secretly recorded his song,

519
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: never told him she did it, and then she passed

520
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 2: away in nineteen seventy.

521
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: Wait, so he didn't know.

522
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: No, he didn't know she'd recorded her song. And then

523
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 2: the next day she passes away, right heroin overdose. Very tragic.

524
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: The next day Chris Christofferson walks into a studio and

525
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: someone says, like, you got to hear this and plays

526
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: him the record and it's Janis Joplin singing Bobby McGee,

527
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: and he's like, he said it really.

528
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 4: It really blew me away because I could just see

529
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: her going in and cutting it and saying wait till

530
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 4: that or here's this.

531
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: Now at this point, most folks think of that as

532
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: her song, right yeah, yeah, right, pretty much it is,

533
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, and he even says that, and so that's

534
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: the song most folks think of her when they think

535
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: of Janis, right, and it's him. So it's there, it's

536
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: out of their creative moment, right. So, but that's not

537
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: enough for him to break into the entertainment industry. It's

538
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: not enough for him to get into Nashville writing a

539
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: song for Janis Joplin. It's so he's still those doors

540
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: of the Nashville remain closed, all right. Music City record

541
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: company founder comes to him with the Janis Joplin thing, right,

542
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: and so ites, hey, I want to get you to

543
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: sign a deal and record an album from my company.

544
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: The dude was not in charge of like Columbia, he

545
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: was in charge of Atlantic, none of those.

546
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 7: Now.

547
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: The dude was in charge of Monument Records. His name

548
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: was Fred Foster and it was his secretary mind you

549
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: that was the inspiration for Bobby McGee. Yeah, it was

550
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: really her name was Bobby McKee with a.

551
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: K, and he misheard it.

552
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: What was her name again? God, she means so much

553
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: to me.

554
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: Song Bobby McGan, No, it's Bobby McKee.

555
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bobby McGee. Well it's already been published two lates.

556
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 2: So Fred Foster came to him and suggested that you

557
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: need to write a song about my secretary. I swear

558
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: to God, Elizabeth. He came to him and he said,

559
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: do me a favorite, right, it's talking about my secretary,

560
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: and then he does. He's like, okay, but I spelled

561
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: their name wrong, and he's like, it's fine to sing it.

562
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: What freedom just another word for nothing left to lose exactly.

563
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: Jul Bobby. It's Irish, right, Scottish? Something I don't know.

564
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, this William Blake love and Chris Christofferson comes

565
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: back with me and Bob McGee a song about you know,

566
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: being low.

567
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: Time, Me and the secretary.

568
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: He turns into, like, you know, a traveling woman anyway,

569
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: becomes becomes Chance Joblin's huge hit. Right after that, Fred

570
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: Foster's like, let's make an album and Chris Christoffers is like, cool,

571
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: But have you heard me sing? As he put in,

572
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: I quote, I sing like a frog? Oh right, However,

573
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: old Fred Foster argued, yes, but like a frog that

574
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: can communicate. So boom. Now he has a record yell right,

575
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: But he's not a real country music star, not yet, Elizabeth.

576
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: All your songs have to be about my secretary.

577
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: Or my driver, my Taylor. No everything, I got a

578
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: dry clings good guy.

579
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: I want you to tell me you're having an affair

580
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: with your secretary.

581
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: Without exactly and trying to downy. She really likes she.

582
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: If you wrote her a song, it would really help

583
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: me out. So at this point he's like, Okay, how

584
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: do I break in. I'm real close, right, I got

585
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: a record deal. I've got Bobby McKee, Bobby McGee. So

586
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: he's like, you know what, I think. The last thing

587
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: that pushed me over the top is I just got

588
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: to get a song to Johnny Cash. If I can

589
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: get his help, then I do it. I'm gonna need

590
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: to steal a helicopter.

591
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 5: Well, if you really quickly, if you have a bunch

592
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 5: of ritz crackers in your road and you say McKee,

593
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 5: it might sound like McGee.

594
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: That's where it came from. Actually, yeah, you can hear it,

595
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 2: just the glottal stop between the G and the cas

596
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: Ritz Cracker. Welcome America, fun factor, Elizabeth. Did you know

597
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: that Johnny Cash was also in the Armed forces?

598
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: One more thing about Yeah, I did know that.

599
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Did Jimmy Cash also know that he was the first

600
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: American to know that Joseph Stalin was dead.

601
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: I don't think I knew that.

602
00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: He didn't kill it.

603
00:27:59,640 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: He did.

604
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: He was like standing over there. Take that you read faster. No,

605
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: So true story is this. Johnny Cash was in the

606
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: Air Force. He was trained as a signal intelligence specialist. Okay,

607
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: he was also sent over to West Germany because that's

608
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 2: where you sent people back then. Yeah. So he's over

609
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: there doing a three year tour. And this is the

610
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, because remember predates, he's more helps his timeline.

611
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: So this is the height of the Cold War. What

612
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: that means for Johnny Cash is he was, you know,

613
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: spending his days freezing off his ballocks and listening to

614
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: coded Soviet messages and reporting on the news he heard fine, right, Yeah,

615
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: So one night, March fifth, nineteen fifty three, Staff Sergeant

616
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash is doing his eavesdropping business. He hears his

617
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: incoming coded communicate from the Soviets. Right, The message is

618
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Stalin is very sick.

619
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: So is he translating this?

620
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 5: Uh?

621
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: I'll put its way. He's not speaking Russian, right, So

622
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: he's taking their code. We're writing down what he hears

623
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: in the dots and dashes or whatever the equivalent would

624
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: be in this coded message, and then it gets translated

625
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: it to the transmit as far as I know. Or

626
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: maybe they're just you know, being lazy and just communicating

627
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: in English to make it easier to be eavesdropped.

628
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: Maybe Johnny spiel Qushian.

629
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: That too, that too. Never put anything past Johnny.

630
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: Cash, Johnny McKee.

631
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: He the Johnny Cash notes that Stalin is very sick,

632
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: does his report. Few hours later, he gets word that

633
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: another coded message, Joseph Stalin is dead. Yep, kicked the

634
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: old communist bucket. Johnny Cash, first American to hear that joke.

635
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: Stalin took a dirt nap.

636
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

637
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he gives his report to his superior officers,

638
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 2: who then cableman news to the White House and President

639
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: Eisenhower learns like threefold after Johnny Cash. Anyway back to

640
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: Columbia Records. Years later, Johnny Cash is now a big

641
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: star in Nashville, and it's the summer of nineteen sixty nine.

642
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: Just I mean Brian Adams style exactly.

643
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: I was waiting for you. I was trying to give

644
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 2: you the air.

645
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: That's when you had your first real sixties? Did you

646
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: buy it at the five? And then?

647
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Because I that's it's the only place you can get

648
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: one of them. So Chris Christophers is working there at

649
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: Columbia Records as a janitor, still trying to get this

650
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: foot firmly in the door, still pushing that broom, and

651
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: still flying choppers out to oil rigs. We send money

652
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: to his family, right, so he mostly be like, you know,

653
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: bringing supplies and ferrying oil Derek workers. You get the idea.

654
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: So that's when he gets his big idea, how to

655
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: really break into show business and stay there. Now, Elizabeth,

656
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: the story has been told by lots of people, so

657
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to hear from a few of them

658
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: and split the difference to find the truth. First up,

659
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 2: there's the version that Johnny Cash tells. He starts out

660
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: the same each time he says that, and I quote,

661
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: I was taking a note and June said, some fools

662
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: landed a helicopter in our yard. Now, when Johnny Cash

663
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: quotes from his darling wife and fellow country music legend,

664
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: June Carter, saying, how she said, and I quote, sweet Jesus,

665
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: they come to us from the lake, from the road.

666
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: Now they're coming to us out of the sky. So

667
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash always into the story the same and I

668
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: quote once again, here comes Chris stumbling out of a

669
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: National Guard Harmony helicopter with a beer in one hand

670
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: and a tape in the other. Right, But like I said,

671
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: tough pocket. So it depends on how you ask who

672
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: tells the story. But the best version may be the

673
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: one that was posted on the Pensacola Aerospace Museum's Facebook page. Okay,

674
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: Pensacola is a big home to a Navy air station,

675
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: and that's where the pilots go down and learn. The

676
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Blue Angels are down there, a bunch of flyboys, right,

677
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: So they have a Pensacola Aerospace there. Yeah, that's right,

678
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: So Pensacola Aerospace Museum. I've been to Florida that has

679
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: are you've been so far up in my.

680
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: Estimation, we had special assignments.

681
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: So Facebook page. Yeah, check it out. Next time you're

682
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: in Florida. You go and look up the time.

683
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: I'm in Florida, I'll go to their Facebook.

684
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, visit it, and that's how you'll find David Thayer

685
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: shared a story of how he heard from Chris Christofferson

686
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: himself in nineteen seventy seven. The story told to his

687
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: face Elizabeth, no rich crackers involved. Now you see, he

688
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: wanted to correct the record. He felt that the Pensacola

689
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: Aerospace Museum's Facebook fan page was the place to do it.

690
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's just like anywhere you want to

691
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: break new Yeah, I.

692
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: Mean, if you're gonna make this, this is where you're gonna

693
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: put in multiple paragraphs to count the record of country music.

694
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: So over to David there, he wrote, and I quote

695
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: Chris Christofferson's story is basically correct, although it is not

696
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: exactly the same as the story he personally told me

697
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: over a few beers back in nineteen seventy seven, Chris

698
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: said he'd been fired from his drilling rig helicopter job

699
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: for flying drunk. So, wanting to be a songwriter, he

700
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: got a job as a janner to Columbia Records in Nashville,

701
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: one day in the studio, he handed Johnny Cash a tape,

702
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: which Johnny promptly throw in the trash. He didn't give up.

703
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: He did, in fact take a US Army helicopter and

704
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: land in Johnny's yard. June Carter came out and yelled,

705
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: sweet Jesus, they come to us up the road and

706
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: now they're coming out of the sky. Cash, not amused,

707
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: ordered Chris to fly away, and Chris refused to go

708
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: until Cash here one song. Finally gave in and agreed

709
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: to listen to one song. Chris played him Sunday Morning

710
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: coming Down.

711
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: Oh Nice.

712
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: Cash melted and wanted to cut it immediately, and it

713
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: later became song of the Year. So wins. This tale

714
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 2: from the Pensacola A Museum's Facebook page.

715
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 5: Love your Facebook comment voice that version, Elizabeth.

716
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: There's no mention that Chris Christofferson getting out of a

717
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: stolen helicopter with a half drunk beer, But there is

718
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: the exact same line from June Carter.

719
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, exactly.

720
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: Now.

721
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: He also says that Chris Chosofferson was fired from his

722
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: job flying for the drilling rigs and the golf. That's

723
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: the only detail that we don't hear only in this version.

724
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

725
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

726
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: The other thing is where did he steal this helicopter?

727
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said national Guard helicopter.

728
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: In some versions, Chris Christofferson steals a National Guard helicopter,

729
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: which would be in this case a bell uh one

730
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: aka the Huey, the helicopter from all the Vietnam movies.

731
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, c the Supremes exactly.

732
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: So he steals one of those from Phi, the oil

733
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 2: Rigger Chopper Accompany. He flew it to that to Henderson, Tennessee,

734
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: which is where Johnny Cash's estate was.

735
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

736
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: Now, David Thayer had just a little bit more. He

737
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: did add to the act, bringing a few caveats, and

738
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: he added, and I quote, that is the story Chris

739
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: actually told me. We had been drinking. He did he

740
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: add any yeast to the story. I have no idea

741
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: when he told me the story, I thought it was

742
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: too much to believe. Then for the last twenty years,

743
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: the story's resurfaced and is fairly close to what he

744
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: told me. So there were all sorts of versions that

745
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash told over the years, Elizabeth, but this one,

746
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: the DVA one from Facebook, from David Thayer's version. Now,

747
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: when he first introduced the song for the first time

748
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: he played at the Grand Old Opry. The very first

749
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: time he played it in nineteen seventy, Johnny Cash said,

750
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: and I quote, here's a song written by my friend,

751
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: Chris Christ.

752
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: He's your friend.

753
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: And I got it in a very strange way. I

754
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: got it right out of the sky. Chris was working

755
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: in Nashville, working as a janitor at Columbia Record, and

756
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: he was flying a helicopter and one afternoon, June said,

757
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: some fools landed in our yard and a helicopter. That's

758
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: mostly the same. Right. Then it ends it by adding,

759
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: and I quote, here was Chris, and he said, I

760
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: thought this might be the best way to get a

761
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: song to you is to bring it to you right

762
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: out of the sky. And I said, you got it.

763
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: Let's listen to it. And here it is. He plays

764
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 2: Sunday Morning, coming down, And finally, thanks to Johnny Cash

765
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: and a stolen helicopter, Chris christoffers and finds his way

766
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: to break into Nashville. He becomes a country musical edged

767
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: right alongside Johnny Cash Elizabeth. But it almost didn't happen.

768
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: Hold that thought, We'll take a little break and the

769
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: cold rushing edge way back and I will sort a

770
00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: little more tactic from a little more fiction, and we're back, Elizabeth,

771
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: How cool and refreshing were those ads?

772
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: Oh it's so good.

773
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: I wiped him on my face, freezing, I know, right?

774
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: Do you see that the due point fell?

775
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: It's like one of those but a bud light ice.

776
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: Commercials with a train. I'm gonna believe you. I think

777
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: those are coarse light commercials.

778
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: Whatever.

779
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: Do you think that's the coldest tasting beer? Okay, yeah, anyway,

780
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 2: the silver bullet the coldest taste anyway, Elizabeth. Oh, that's right,

781
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: michelob the silver bullet. But anyway, Nashville nickelob Light nineteen

782
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: seventy now Nashville. Johnny Cash first sang that song Sunday Morning,

783
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: Coming Down. It was on his TV show. He had

784
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: a TV show. He had a bunch of TV shows,

785
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: but this.

786
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: Was on Sunday Mornings.

787
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: No, it would be that CBS already had the title.

788
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: So the same version that he sang on his TV

789
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: show was the one that made it onto the album.

790
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: It was that good. Yeah, So his live version, they're like,

791
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: let's just again, we already already played it, Johnny. That

792
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: was good first performance. Yes, so yeah, but also keep

793
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: in mind he had to get that performance, you know,

794
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: like he had to get it right with the band,

795
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: but he also had to get past producers for the

796
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: TV show because they were a little nervous. I'm not

797
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: sure if he remembered there's some problematic lines in that song. Yeah,

798
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: there was a controversial line for a country music audience,

799
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: especially in nineteen seventy about getting stoned.

800
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: Yep.

801
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: So they we're like, this is not gonna fly. Johnny

802
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: Dodge like, oh'm Johnny Cash, I think it will. Now

803
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: the producers didn't want Johnny Cash to stick to step

804
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: out on the stage. Is it the Rhyman Auditorium. This

805
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: is a grand old operative. It's like the home of

806
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: country music. He's not just playing like a country fair

807
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: outside of Branson. Right, So they're fairly certain this is

808
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: gonna be bad. Like he could get canceled. The show

809
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 2: could get canceled. I'm not him, but the show could

810
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: get canceled, right, That's how there. The producers are worried

811
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: about their own jobs anyway, so they started but these

812
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: are having all these meetings about Chris Christofferson's lyrics. But

813
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: sin since I said, it's Johnny Cash singing it to him.

814
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: They are like, well, we're really it's up to the

815
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: man in black. So that Sunday night, Johnny Cash is

816
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: backstage listening to his Panic producers begging him to pick

817
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: a different lyric. Right as Chris Dristofferson tells.

818
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: It, they were having an argument about whether he could

819
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 4: say stoned. I remember all these people sitting around coming

820
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: up with alternatives.

821
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: You could say wishing Lord that I was home.

822
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: I didn't really say anything because I didn't want to

823
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 4: put John on the spot, but he could tell Johnny

824
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 4: Cash says he'll think about it, and you know, like,

825
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: let me think about this a little bit.

826
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, But first he says, I'm gonna talk to Chris,

827
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: and back to Chris Christopherson for his version.

828
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: He said, no, what do you think? I said, I

829
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 4: don't think it means the same thing, wishing you were

830
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 4: home or wishing you were stoned.

831
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know which he was gonna do. Now I

832
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: do know, Elizabeth, and I could tell you what happened,

833
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: but I'd rather take you there. Yes, Elizabeth, I'd like

834
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 2: you to close your eyes.

835
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: My eyes are closed, and I'd like.

836
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: You to picture it. It's February twenty fifth, nineteen seventy

837
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: and you, Elizabeth, are backstage at the Ryman Auditorium. Well, technically,

838
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: you're standing on the side of the stage, waiting in

839
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: the wings. PA's and stage text buzz about you. You

840
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: are there because you are an ABC executive. You've been

841
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 2: called in to consult about the song Johnny Cash wants

842
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: to sing. The censors contacted you when it came up

843
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: the Johnny Cash bland to sing about getting stoned. At

844
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: the moment, out on stage is Johnny Cash and he's

845
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: performing for the Grand Old Opry's crowd. The audience has

846
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: come out tonight to see Johnny Cash record live his

847
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 2: variety series on your ABC network called The Johnny Cash Show,

848
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: and they are excited faces they ache with wide smiles.

849
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: At the moment, Johnny Cash is sharing the stage with

850
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: Bob Hope. The two were doing a duet version of

851
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: a boy named Sue. Standing next to you on the

852
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: side of the stage is the songwriter Shel Silverstein. The

853
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: hippie wolfe shaved head smells like pot smoke and freshly

854
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: drying so and he looks nervous as he's watches Bob

855
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: Hope perform his song about a Western anti hero with

856
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: a girl's name who fights his dad for giving him

857
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: such a silly appellation. You've already watched Kenny Rogers and

858
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: his band The First Edition perform It's some early psychedelic

859
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: country rock, and he did nothing for you. You turn

860
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: from the stage and go to check on what the

861
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: censors and TV show producers have decided about which alternative

862
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: lyrics Johnny Cash will sing, and you bump into Mama

863
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: cass Elliott. She's also slated to perform later. She asks

864
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: you if you've seen Shell Silverstein this is a fever dream.

865
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: You quietly indicate yes, But when you turn to show

866
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: her where Shelle Silverstein is, he's gone. Maybe he stepped

867
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 2: outside to bern a doobie. You think probably he's hating

868
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: watching Bob Hope sing his song. You find the nervous

869
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: ABC sensor still talking with the TV show producers, and

870
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: you learn no one has decided which alternative lyric Johnny

871
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: Cash is going to sing. You hear the crowd erupt

872
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: in a tremendous applause. Oh no, the song must be over.

873
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: It's almost time for Johnny Cash to sing the next number.

874
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: He'll introduce it. After the show takes a commercial break.

875
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: You confer with the TV show producers what will it be?

876
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: What will it be? The consensus opinion is that Johnny

877
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: should sing wishing Lord that I was home. You give

878
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: it official ABC approval. You hear the crowd applaud again.

879
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: Sounds like they're back from the curcial break. But wait,

880
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash never came off stage. You rush back to

881
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: where you can see the stage from the wings, and

882
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: there you watch as Johnny Cash introduces the next number.

883
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: He mentions his friend Chris Christofferson and how he brought

884
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: him the song from out of the Sky, and then

885
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: he starts to play and sing, well, I woke up

886
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: Sunday morning with no way to hold my head that

887
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: didn't hurt, and the beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad,

888
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: so I had one more for dessert. Up in the

889
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: balcony of the rhyme and auditorium, Chris Christofferson is watching

890
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: for the same thing. You are, both of you waiting

891
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 2: for Johnny to get to that one line, what will

892
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: he sing? And then it happens. Johnny Cash reaches the

893
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: Troublesome furse and he sings on a Sunday morning sidewalksh

894
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: Lord that I was stone and you feel your jaw

895
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: hinge opened and drop.

896
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: He did it.

897
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: He just went ahead and did it. Then when you

898
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: look at the crowd, they love it. Wait a minute,

899
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: you're not gonna lose your job. Way to go, Elizabeth,

900
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. So that was it. That was

901
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: how Johnny Cash helped decide, and he also helped make

902
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: Chris Christophers in the country music stars.

903
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 5: I love they're okay with breakfast beer, but like, exactly,

904
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 5: don't say stoned.

905
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: Well, it was illegal, so yeah, yeah, well he'd be like.

906
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: So was shooting a man just to watch him die?

907
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: No, that's a called tradition. It's a little different, Elizabeth.

908
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: So as Chris Chrisofferson once said of that magic moment

909
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: when Johnny Cash changed.

910
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: His life, I was up at the balcony watching it

911
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 4: when he filmed it, and he got to that line

912
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: and he looked right up at me and said, wishing

913
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 4: Lord that I was stoned. And he saved that song

914
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: because it never would have been as strong without that,

915
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: And I always felt that he was sort of the

916
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 4: stepfather of the song.

917
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: There.

918
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: So after Johnny Cash performs Sunday Morning Coming Down. As written,

919
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: it's a huge hit, Like huge song, hits number one

920
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: on the charts. Everyone's like, oh, we all want to

921
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: get stoned on a Sunday morning. Yeah, sure, but not really.

922
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: But anyway, when award season comes around, Johnny Cash wins

923
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: Song of the Year nineteen seventy Chris Christofferson wins Songwriter

924
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: of the Year. This is huge, Elizabeth, because researching this one,

925
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: I found so many fun wrinkles. One fact I couldn't

926
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: wait to tell you. In the episode swan song from

927
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy four season of Colombo, Oh Boy, Sunday

928
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: Morning Coming Down is performed by Johnny Cash at a

929
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 2: very charming garden party at a garden, a garden party

930
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 2: on Colombo. He performs on Sunday Morning Coming Down. I

931
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: just wow, that's how big of a hit it was.

932
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: It showed up in Colombo garden party that sentence. By

933
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: the way, oh totally we should throw one of those. So,

934
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: by the way, have you purchased your Colombo trench coat yet?

935
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: You were telling me you were out on assignment and

936
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: how you saw a trench coach with a new hot

937
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: look in Europe and everywhere else around the world. Is

938
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: that really true? Were you just messing with me? Did

939
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: that like really happen when you were.

940
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: Over there, I saw a lot of folks and ladies

941
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: and trench coats. Yeah, it's just like.

942
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: So that's the move came out of the pandemic that like,

943
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: I'm ready to solve mysteries, asked people questions on my

944
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: way out of the door. So we've covered a few

945
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: versions of the stolen Chopper story. Yeah, but we've yet

946
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: to hear it from Chris Christofferson himself. He was there, true,

947
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: he could tell about this. Well, we heard the legend,

948
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 2: what's the real story? Performing it with Johnny Cash late

949
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: in their lives. Chris Christopherson once told his version of

950
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: the story and what went down. He said, and I

951
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: quote I, I want to tell you all the story.

952
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: About Johnny Cash, and it goes back to when I

953
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 4: was making my living at Columbia Studios here in Nashville,

954
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: where John was Coorey Cording. I was writing songs due

955
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: I wasn't supposed to pitch him to the stars, but

956
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: of course I did anyway, and I wasn't having a

957
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 4: whole hell lot of a look. So I had this

958
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 4: song I wanted John to saying real bad. I decided

959
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: I would take it out to his house in this

960
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: old National Guard helicopter that I happened to be flying,

961
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 4: and I landed it on his lawn and at the

962
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: time I was sort of like landing on the roof

963
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: of his house. Well, John, I think was pretty amazed

964
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 4: by it. He was easily spooked back in those days,

965
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 4: and whether out of fear or curiosity, he not only

966
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 4: agreed to listen to the song, he recorded it and

967
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 4: it was a hit and I was able to lay

968
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: down the room and I also made a friend for life.

969
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: Thanks again, John. So that's how he tells the story. Yeah,

970
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: but even though Chris Christopherson's version, that's still not the

971
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: real version of what happened to Elizabeth. This is like Rochamon,

972
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: So wait, what really happens there? In great question? Elizabeth?

973
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: I so glad you asked.

974
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Saren.

975
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Well, First, I appreciate your curiosity. He sticking with me

976
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: on this all right. First, I hate to tell you,

977
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: but there was no beer. That's the first fact I

978
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: have to pull. I cannot answer that yet. Now. According

979
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: to Chris christopher and he said he'd never fly with

980
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: an open beer.

981
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: But he would steal a helicopter.

982
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: Wait, these are very different questions, Elizabeth, because he said,

983
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: and I quote, I think he told the story that

984
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: I got out of the helicopter with a beer in

985
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 2: one hand and tape in the other.

986
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 4: I never would have been drinking while flying a helicopter.

987
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: That's very responsible.

988
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: He's not just being proper. He's not worried about like

989
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: FA gonna come down them. It's simpler than that. You

990
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: just physically can't. As he put it, it.

991
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: Simply would be impossible for me to fly a helicopter

992
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 4: with a beer. He gotta use bow hands and both feet.

993
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 4: I never would have done that.

994
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: So there's also there's no one to stick your beer like.

995
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: They don't put drink holders in helicopters. So and Christmar

996
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 2: Sumpson added.

997
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: I don't remember exactly the same way he does, but

998
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: whose today he was right. Neither one of us was

999
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 4: in great shape at the time.

1000
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 5: He could have had one of those baseball caps with

1001
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 5: the beers on either side.

1002
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 4: Well.

1003
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: More importantly than the details about the beer in his

1004
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: hand or in his hat, there was also when he

1005
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: got out of the chopper, right there's a whole other

1006
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 2: important detail to correct, Cordon, Chris Christofferson, and I quote,

1007
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: neither John nor June were there.

1008
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 4: The guy took care of the gate and the property there,

1009
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: came out and I gave him the thing and took

1010
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: off and got out of there. I was already feeling

1011
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: that the repercussions coming of it, and I'm sure I

1012
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 4: would have been ground it had the National Guard known

1013
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: I was flying their helicopter.

1014
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: So almost none of what Johnny Cash said was true.

1015
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: But that's a much better story, exactly.

1016
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: So, after both June and John passed away, Chris Christofferson

1017
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: started to correct the record and reveal the truth, and

1018
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: he confessed that he'd also explained why he'd never corrected

1019
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: the record before.

1020
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 4: He said, when John said that, I'd never contradict him

1021
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 4: because I kind of liked his creative memory.

1022
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1023
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: So that's country music right there.

1024
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: You don't contradict the man in black.

1025
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: No, he definitely don't contradict Johnny Cash, June Carter, and

1026
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: in country musics it pretty much as true everywhere the

1027
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: story is always better than.

1028
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 3: The fact, exactly.

1029
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 5: So.

1030
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: Also is one other correction I need to make. Courdon

1031
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: Chris Christofferson. Johnny Cash misremembered the wrong demo too. Oh no,

1032
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: the tate wasn't.

1033
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: Sunday Morning coming Down. It was a thing called no

1034
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 4: Longer Matters, which nobody ever.

1035
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 3: Cut because it's no longer matter.

1036
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: Why let the truth get in the way of a

1037
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: good story. Yeah, just you gotta get certain details right.

1038
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: The stolen helicopter, a demo, Johnny Cash's house, and then

1039
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: the June Carter line. That's all, you know, That's what

1040
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: makes it true. So the rest is accounting. You know

1041
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: who cares about that? So and also who wants to

1042
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: hear an account and tell a story about country music exactly?

1043
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: So point is Elizabeth. That's how Chris Christofferson broke into

1044
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry, specifically the music business, with the help

1045
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 2: of Johnny Cash and the stolen helicopter. And like his heroes,

1046
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 2: he'd go on to change country music. As Bob Dylan

1047
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 2: Bad Bobby Dylan once said, you can look at Nashville

1048
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: pre Chris and post Chris because he changed everything.

1049
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: That's very true.

1050
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: So there you go. As far as truth versus a

1051
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: more creative relationships to facts in fiction, I'll leave you

1052
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: with this from a documentary on the Highwayman Chris Christofferson

1053
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: said about him self and his fellow country music legends,

1054
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: It's quite remarkable when you think of it.

1055
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: Every one of us is a sort of figment of

1056
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 4: our own imaginations. I remember I used to think of

1057
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: Muhammad Ali and I think of Willy's line, be careful

1058
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: of what you dream. Soon your dreams will be dreaming you.

1059
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 4: Mohamad dreamed himself up from his skinny, little Louisville kid

1060
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 4: to get this great, big heavyweight championship of the world

1061
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 4: and then the biggest man in the world, most recognizable.

1062
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 4: He was a figment of his own imagination, and so

1063
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: is Willie. Look at his old pictures in mine and John's.

1064
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 4: I imagine if you got any old ones wailing, it'd

1065
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 4: be the same thing. Figments of our imagination.

1066
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: It's really beautiful.

1067
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: So there you go. What's our ridiculous takeaway?

1068
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, my ridiculous takeaway is that if you are going to,

1069
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 5: you know, play in Nashville, bring the ritz crackers.

1070
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: My ridiculous takeaway. Thanks for Elizabeth is the Facebook fan

1071
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: page for the Pensacola Aerospace Museum.

1072
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: Another news has broke.

1073
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: It is now part of the archive of country music's history,

1074
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: so officially, and I'll look to see what other news.

1075
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 3: Maybe there's something else legislation has passed.

1076
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there may be something about like a John

1077
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: Daily golf fight.

1078
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: It could be that's where you need to hell your

1079
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: breaking news.

1080
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So you in the mood for talkback after that?

1081
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 3: I am always in a mood for talkback.

1082
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: Could you favor us with one? Oh my god, I

1083
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: love get.

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Speaker 6: Hi Elizabeth Zarin and producer Dave. My name is Tiffany

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Speaker 6: and I'm from Waterloo, Iowa. I absolutely love your show.

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Speaker 6: And when I was listening to your most recent episode

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Speaker 6: about the Glock, I heard Elizabeth smash up about the

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Speaker 6: Lord and I was so excited because I've actually had

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Speaker 6: malory and it is ridiculously terrible. Taking a shot of

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Speaker 6: lighter fluid.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your show and keep making them.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Right up. So you said lighter fluid, I thought gross.

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Speaker 2: Then I'm like, wait a minute, I would try that.

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Speaker 2: You would take a light It's very clean tasting.

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Speaker 3: You sound like you know.

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Speaker 2: Beside that? Do you know I have family in Waterloo, Iowa.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to embarrass them here, but I do. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So shout out to Waterloo, Iowa. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. And I'm gonna go get some alort. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: you can find us always online Ridiculous Crime on social

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Speaker 2: media is. We have our website, Ridiculous Crime dot com.

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Speaker 2: Go over to it, check it out. It's beautiful, it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's a work of art. And also we love

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Speaker 2: your talkbacks, as you can tell, so please go to

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Speaker 2: us and maybe you'll hear your voice here always. Also

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Speaker 2: you can email us if you'd like a Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. We really enjoy your emails and

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Speaker 2: we need to get back to like maybe reading some

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Speaker 2: of them online whose or here maybe, but whatever, it's

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Speaker 2: all fresh, you know, let's keep it that way. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll catch you next crime. Thanks for listening. Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Brennette, produced and

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Speaker 2: edited by Johnny Cash's favorite sound guy, Dave Houston, and

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Speaker 2: starring annals Rutger as Judith. Research is by our resident

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Speaker 2: shel Silverstein, experts Andrea Songshalkintier and Marissa Brown. Our theme

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Speaker 2: song is by Stolen Helicopter dads Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton.

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Speaker 2: The host's wardrobe provided by Botany five hundred, Hotel accommodations

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Speaker 2: by the Omni Guest hair and makeup by Sparkleshot and

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Speaker 2: mister Andre. Executive producers are Ben of Flyhile, Starship Across

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Speaker 2: the Universe, divd Boland and nol I wanted that lyric,

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Speaker 2: no fair Brown.

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Speaker 3: Why say it one? We're ridiquitous crime.

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