Speaker 1: Media.
Speaker 2: What's up y'all? Politics will prob Part two lost cause
Speaker 2: got the LG Robert Robert Evans out this mug. Well,
Speaker 2: maybe not the OG Robert Evans. The OG Robert Evans
Speaker 2: passed away. You know what I'm saying, this Robert.
Speaker 1: Evans, thus raising my, uh my profile significantly.
Speaker 2: Bro. There's a there's an eighties like synth pop band
Speaker 2: from Germany called Propaganda that for years, their like tour
Speaker 2: schedule would intermix with mine on any of the like
Speaker 2: RSS feeds, kind of pulling things. And when I tell
Speaker 2: you how livid them, German foods was what they would
Speaker 2: see by Pitcher and they would be so mad because
Speaker 2: I'm not there Propaganda to the point of where like
Speaker 2: I can I've only performed in Germany once because they
Speaker 2: was upset. Yeah, you know, because you're like, they had
Speaker 2: to be like propaganda USA hip hop.
Speaker 1: Probably American propaganda, German propaganda. Yeah, but they don't want
Speaker 1: to be called German propaganda. That brings that brings people
Speaker 1: some bad memories.
Speaker 2: Bad vibes. Yeah. Anyway, let's get into it. So we
Speaker 2: left off with, Oh, anyway, I forgot Robert Sophie. Oh
Speaker 2: I didn't forget I did say that so much on
Speaker 2: the mine right now, Robert, Oh, yeah, the LG Sophie
Speaker 2: ball playing. You know what I'm saying. You got a
Speaker 2: shout out on one of these shows recently that I did.
Speaker 2: I don't remember talking about you hooping and that, like
Speaker 2: for you to be able to hoop at Hamilton, I
Speaker 2: mean you could really hoop, because you'd have to really
Speaker 2: be able to play to play over there. Yeah. If
Speaker 2: she was like, oh, yeah, I played at San Juan Capistrano,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay, you know anyway, sure, sure, Sophie,
Speaker 2: Yeah you're a ballplayer. No, she played at Hamilton and
Speaker 2: you can hoop. So the question was like, why did
Speaker 2: it stick? How come the Union didn't push back? And
Speaker 2: the answer is they did push back. The Confederates were
Speaker 2: just they just drew blood first. They were by the time, yes,
Speaker 2: by the time the Union got around to building cemeteries
Speaker 2: and memorials, the Confederates had like ten years on them.
Speaker 2: They had had ten years of putting up these things.
Speaker 2: They already had their magazine up and running. They're in
Speaker 2: their second generation of like support clubs, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. They're already at the Daughters of the Confederate
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So they they were already
Speaker 2: up and running and established, and you know, is this
Speaker 2: a normal phrase but like or phrase everybody else says.
Speaker 2: But I know my uncle used to say, like a
Speaker 2: lie travels the world twice yea before while the truth
Speaker 2: is still trying to choose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard it attributed to Mark Twain, but I
Speaker 1: think there's a good chance that that is also a lie.
Speaker 1: And right it was someone else entirely, yeah, which probably.
Speaker 2: Some black guy. Yeah, but yeah, So they were already
Speaker 2: like they were already playing from behind, and then they
Speaker 2: formed the Grand Army of Republic. Right now, what the
Speaker 2: Confederate like Soldiers Association would do is they kept inviting
Speaker 2: Union soldiers to Union like veterans to come to these
Speaker 2: like mixers for like photo ops and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And obviously the Union like veterans were like fuck out
Speaker 2: my face, Like hell, no, I'm not gonna go down there.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, of course we're not
Speaker 2: gonna do that. But what that would do is that
Speaker 2: would change the moral footing. So if if the Union
Speaker 2: soldiers like refuse to go, then now they look like
Speaker 2: the barbarians. They're the ones. They're like I thought you
Speaker 2: were about reconstruction. I thought you were about keeping the
Speaker 2: Union together. You're not willing to sit down with us.
Speaker 2: The war's over, now we're done. I'm trying to like, look, man,
Speaker 2: we both shared this. We were both a little bit wrong.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe there was some wrong on your side,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like it was a complicated time, Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was different. It was complicated. But can we at
Speaker 2: least sit down and be civil so they could pull
Speaker 2: the week and be civil? Thing? Right?
Speaker 1: Wow? Why you guys aren't willing to be civil? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, we just wanted to be friends.
Speaker 2: You know, listen, man, we're taking our l we Look,
Speaker 2: we all we both fought valiantly. We both believed in
Speaker 2: a cause.
Speaker 1: Who's to say who lost?
Speaker 2: Who's to say?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the thing. So and again, like
Speaker 2: I said before, like this was happening after you know,
Speaker 2: under originally under Reconstruction, like I said, the states were
Speaker 2: broken into the districts. They were controlled by Union army
Speaker 2: veterans who outlawed like Confederate celebrat So you wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to do no, like first anniversary, tenth anniversary, weren't
Speaker 2: allowed to do that, right because martial law was there.
Speaker 2: But martial law can only last for so long. And
Speaker 2: then after that the First Amendment kicks in. Right, So
Speaker 2: now that the First Amendment kicks in, you can't stop
Speaker 2: them from these gatherings. So they would sit down, they
Speaker 2: would have these reunions, and of course the union soldiers like, look, dude,
Speaker 2: like I'm not really here for reconciliation with you. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like this is absurd. We feel gaslit,
Speaker 2: like you were wrong and you were not brave, You
Speaker 2: did not stand up for what you believe. You were wrong,
Speaker 2: and you got shut down. But we'll go and take
Speaker 2: these pictures right now. What's interesting is fast forward to now,
Speaker 2: like follow me on this train of thought, you take
Speaker 2: like the Israel and Godzas situation, right, And what all
Speaker 2: all research shows, when I say all Robert Joseph Twain Evans, okay,
Speaker 2: all research shows that the degree for which the state
Speaker 2: security is heavy handed guarantees the continuation of the rebel
Speaker 2: or extremists views. You create sympathy for the extremists, or
Speaker 2: you birth a new one guarantees if you are too
Speaker 2: heavy handed. Almost every person who has been like radicalized
Speaker 2: in that sort of thing, they can almost always trace
Speaker 2: their radicalization back to the treatment of the government security forces. Always, right,
Speaker 2: So when you say I need to stamp out like well,
Speaker 2: like is we're saying we got to stamp alhamas like
Speaker 2: we got to stamp them out. We're going to trace
Speaker 2: them wherever they're going. It's like, if you're only concerned
Speaker 2: about this situation is the safety of Israel, then you
Speaker 2: should then you should know what you're doing is wrong.
Speaker 2: Even if even if you have no feelings towards the
Speaker 2: people of Palaestime, what you're doing is not gonna guarantee safety.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it's guaranteeing a new hamas, right,
Speaker 2: is what you're doing. So knowing this again, like I'm
Speaker 2: talking about the complications of like the Union soldiers who
Speaker 2: feel like I can't believe I have to deal with this.
Speaker 2: We should have just hung y'all right, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: in your brain, it's like, well, if we if we
Speaker 2: come down too hard, it's we're gonna harden this these
Speaker 2: people against us even more, right, But if we give
Speaker 2: them any space, we're justifying their cause, Like are we
Speaker 2: saying that? Like maybe what they're saying is legitimate. All
Speaker 2: that to say is before you start getting on Twitter
Speaker 2: and saying what a person should do is like it's complicated.
Speaker 2: It's really hard to think through these things. You know,
Speaker 2: this is obviously no stand report for Israel because what
Speaker 2: they doing, like I said, it's VERI five be wrong.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, But it's complicated. It's like,
Speaker 2: so what do you do do you be like, man,
Speaker 2: y'all are stupid. I'm not gonna go down there at all.
Speaker 2: But then if you do that again, you lose the
Speaker 2: peace because now you look like the person that's not
Speaker 2: willing to really come together in unity. Right. So they
Speaker 2: were cool with taking the photo ops. They were down
Speaker 2: with the reunion because that's what they fought for. But
Speaker 2: we're not trying to reconcile with y'all, Like we're not friends.
Speaker 2: Let's just make this work, like y'all live over there,
Speaker 2: we live over there. It is what it is, but
Speaker 2: like we're not homies right now. This means that by
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty, by nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty, like the Confederates,
Speaker 2: have won the story. They have now convinced the country that, like,
Speaker 2: there's two sides to this, this is what we fought for.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really about this slavery thing, because again you
Speaker 2: have to remember Black people still don't have a voice
Speaker 2: yet as a nation, like we're poking through here and there,
Speaker 2: but as a collective commune unity, we don't have a
Speaker 2: say in this because if we did, we would have
Speaker 2: been like, hold up, guys, y'all, like for real, like y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all believe in this shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So we didn't, but we didn't have a We didn't
Speaker 2: have a say yet. Right now, by the thirties, the
Speaker 2: United Daughters of the Confederacy are absolutely killing it in
Speaker 2: the monuments, like their statues everywhere, they're schools named after
Speaker 2: Confederate soldiers because again, it's about it's about legacy. The
Speaker 2: children of the Confederacy get this. Had a catechism. There
Speaker 2: was a catechism for ages six to sixteen to where
Speaker 2: you had to discuss. You had to know that. You
Speaker 2: had to know your Bible figures, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You had to know your characters, you had to know
Speaker 2: how to story Willie when they were catechizing their kids. Sure,
Speaker 2: so like how you compete with that? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like how you fight with that? You know? So?
Speaker 2: So will you catechise your kids? You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, how do you fight with that? Right?
Speaker 1: Universities, Yeah, do a little have a holiday every year
Speaker 1: where you build a model of Richmond and burn it down.
Speaker 2: Right, old burning man styles.
Speaker 1: Right, have a yearly Sherman's March to the Sea festival.
Speaker 1: You know what, I've talked myself into it. This is
Speaker 1: a good call. Actually, actually it's what we should have done.
Speaker 2: That's what we should have done. Just annual burnings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have a wicker Man. But it's like Robert E.
Speaker 2: Lee, it's all gray uniform and everything. Just light it
Speaker 2: all fire.
Speaker 1: I'm on board with this idea.
Speaker 2: Now you might be stumbled onto some genius. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: So like universities were getting, like Confederate Memorial Hall. There's
Speaker 2: the Confederate Memorial Hall at Peabody College in Tennessee, which
Speaker 2: established in nineteen thirty five. Now it's a part of
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt University. Like they just removed the word Confederate in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Right, the dorms were the dorms were because
Speaker 2: we're four. They had a dorm specifically for the daughters
Speaker 2: of Confederates. See, like for their vets. Columbia, you had
Speaker 2: a scholarship for Confederate descendants, so like, you know, if
Speaker 2: you fought in war, like, we got a scholarship for you.
Speaker 2: So they're creating legacy. It's like, look, it's not your fault,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Your daddy fought valiantly and
Speaker 2: now his cause was lost, but you should at least
Speaker 2: not be suffering.
Speaker 1: For you should get a benefit from it, right, So
Speaker 1: you should get it.
Speaker 2: He's still a veteran. They're still a veteran. They're still American. Right.
Speaker 2: So you in elementary schools, you in churches, you in monuments,
Speaker 2: you in the civic communities, and now you're in universities, right,
Speaker 2: and you run in the school boards. Now this is
Speaker 2: all happening in the South, right, because remember the country's
Speaker 2: much bigger than the South at the time, but this
Speaker 2: is happening there. Now. The question that came to my
Speaker 2: mind at the time was like, well, well, how did
Speaker 2: it leave the South, Like how did this idea and
Speaker 2: make it anywhere else? And I mean the easiest answer
Speaker 2: is like, well people moved. What I'm saying like, well,
Speaker 2: you just move, you know, you move and you set
Speaker 2: up shop. I remember one of my favorite movies at first,
Speaker 2: one of the first documentaries I saw about LA in
Speaker 2: the nineties was called Banging in Little Rock, and it
Speaker 2: was about a crip gang in Little Rock, Arkansas. And
Speaker 2: for the life of me, I could not understand how
Speaker 2: that worked because they would be named because these these
Speaker 2: these gangs would be named after neighborhoods in California. Like so,
Speaker 2: I'm like, how are you How do you have a
Speaker 2: neighborhood rolling sixty crip gang in Topeka? Like there is
Speaker 2: no sixties. Yeah, I'm like, it's called sixties because it's
Speaker 2: the sixties blocks, you know, sixty first to sixty nine.
Speaker 2: That's why it's called sixties. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: West Side sixties is because.
Speaker 1: You don't even have sixty blocks in Little Rocks, you know, sixty.
Speaker 2: So like, why are you called that? I recalled, which
Speaker 2: I think I've talked about a hood of politics before.
Speaker 2: I recall being the seventh grader, you be on three
Speaker 2: Way because that's how old I am. You on three
Speaker 2: Way and be like, yo, uh, what happened to Andre?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, where Andre being? I ain't
Speaker 2: seen them all summer? Oh, Andre had to go live
Speaker 2: with his auntie because we would you start getting in trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they would go send you to live with granny. You
Speaker 2: have to go live with ya, go live with granny.
Speaker 2: So you would go, we would get sent south. You
Speaker 2: would get sent to these other cities. And at that point,
Speaker 2: you like you're a kid from La you already banging hoover.
Speaker 2: You get out there, it's like I just really need
Speaker 2: I just need three other dudes. I'll put them on.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that we just now we
Speaker 2: run the city. So that's how these sets happened. Or
Speaker 2: you in jail, like somebody or you know, somebody from Arkansas,
Speaker 2: go to jail, you in a cell block with a
Speaker 2: blood that dude puts you on. You go back to
Speaker 2: your city, start running things, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it spreads because you move and you set up chapters.
Speaker 2: So that's what they did. The Daughters of the Confederacy
Speaker 2: started setting up chapters right in every state, and they
Speaker 2: made textbooks, and the textbooks worked like they I can't
Speaker 2: like it worked, they created textbooks.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's always such like such the effective tactic, right,
Speaker 1: And it's it's because as we've been getting, as I
Speaker 1: keep saying, like what makes these people win is the
Speaker 1: fact that most people either aren't aware the fight is
Speaker 1: going on, and so they get they get to rack
Speaker 1: up a lot of un unconfronted hours or yes, it's
Speaker 1: not a fight. People like you know, most people are
Speaker 1: not don't pay attention to school board ship, don't pay
Speaker 1: attention to like what's going on in the uh in
Speaker 1: in like picking school books. So if that's your obsession,
Speaker 1: if you can get a whole your whole team obsessed
Speaker 1: with that fight, you can do a lot while nobody
Speaker 1: went without being really confronted. You know, and as we
Speaker 1: as we know, when they actually have to fight, Confederates
Speaker 1: do badly. So they must refer to not have a fight.
Speaker 2: Yes, because they really they really don't want the smoke
Speaker 2: in reality. Yeah, but you got books, you all that,
Speaker 2: But like what really worked, the really what really did
Speaker 2: it was the media, right, The birth of a nation
Speaker 2: obviously did something to put to make these these clan
Speaker 2: members seem like the protection of the pureness, of the
Speaker 2: whiteness of the Southern woman, you know. Obviously, like the
Speaker 2: plot of that story was like, these black brutes are ravaging,
Speaker 2: you know, these pure southern white women, and the and
Speaker 2: the and the and the clan comes in and they
Speaker 2: save them, right. But much bigger than that is Gone
Speaker 2: with the Wind in nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 1: We had to watch that movie so many times as
Speaker 1: a kid. I bet you did, or as hell.
Speaker 2: It's so slow and yeah, but that movie is like solidifies,
Speaker 2: like it's this movie that we can you could actually
Speaker 2: point out history. It's this movie that solidified that the
Speaker 2: Civil War happened to the Confederacy, and that it was
Speaker 2: Northern aggression, right, that caused this because the South was
Speaker 2: living their way of life and the North had a
Speaker 2: problem with their lay of life. It's because our memories
Speaker 2: are extremely bad, right, And what we really remember, truthfully
Speaker 2: is what something felt like. And what they're trying to
Speaker 2: say is this is what it felt like. We're showing
Speaker 2: you this movie that took place at this time, right,
Speaker 2: And this movie was such a big hit that it
Speaker 2: actually convinced America that that's really what the Civil War
Speaker 2: was about, was about this movie, or it was about
Speaker 2: northern aggression. And I got to tell you, man, the
Speaker 2: first time I heard the term northern aggression, I thought
Speaker 2: the person that said it to me made it up.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's not a real word.
Speaker 1: There's no way, that's that's what I heard as a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got that from and I'd heard that from a
Speaker 1: number of people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, ain't no way, ain't no way.
Speaker 1: Y'all with an aggression. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like the I'm sorry, what now? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the first time I ever heard that. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, no, y'all, y'all made that shit up.
Speaker 2: That is not a real word. But anyway, Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: like the first time my wife said to me shacuterie board,
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, I'm talking like twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's not a real word. You made
Speaker 2: that up. There's no speaking from the white woman collective
Speaker 2: charcuterie board. Are you right? That's how fake of a
Speaker 2: word it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what you say, Robert, nobody does that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like a nice croissant for for for breakfast.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, for brecky like you fact, like you
Speaker 2: wouldn't pronounce those words incorrectly on purpose.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I do that with everything. It's always purposeful.
Speaker 2: It's more fun, man. But yeah, like you think of
Speaker 2: like field trips, you know, when you like and again,
Speaker 2: like as a kid, you're not if this is just
Speaker 2: what's in your textbook, you're not like a true believer.
Speaker 2: It's just that's my homework, right, I'm like, who doesn't
Speaker 2: when you're a kid, who doesn't just you know, don't
Speaker 2: just trust they books, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: and even it's not even about trusting it. It's like
Speaker 2: that's just the assignment. This is like my history class.
Speaker 2: And then there's a field trip and you're excited about
Speaker 2: a field trip because it's just a field trip, like
Speaker 2: you don't have to like care, but then when you
Speaker 2: get home, but when you get back to class, you
Speaker 2: have to write ten things that you liked about this monument,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So in these schools, they
Speaker 2: were going to Confederate monuments, which at this time had
Speaker 2: been up for almost one hundred years, so now it
Speaker 2: is history, you know what I'm saying. So, like when
Speaker 2: you're that far away from it and it's just what
Speaker 2: you have to do in class, and it's in your book.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's just what it is. And then obviously
Speaker 2: you fast forward to like we talked about the other
Speaker 2: and fastward in nineteen eighty and now we're talking about
Speaker 2: Dukes of hazard You feel me that, Like I kind
Speaker 2: of feel like now the more I know about the
Speaker 2: Lost cause anybody with some sense should have said this
Speaker 2: show should have never got greenlit, like how did this
Speaker 2: make it own the TV? But this is how? And I,
Speaker 2: like I said another one. I loved it. I loved
Speaker 2: the Dukes of Hazards. The term listen, listen, listen, listen
Speaker 2: colored folks that's watching this or that's listening to this.
Speaker 2: You know the word Daisy Dukes the gene shorts.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's her.
Speaker 2: That was her name. She was Daisy Duke and she
Speaker 2: used to wear cut off short and part of culture.
Speaker 2: It's an important part of Robert, It's important part of
Speaker 2: black culture. Like Daisy Dukes, what we call cut off
Speaker 2: geen shorts is her, Like it's so crazy, what I
Speaker 2: finally put it all together right? And so it spread
Speaker 2: from these textbooks. It's spread from these movies, and don't
Speaker 2: forget these people are still racist. Just at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, y'all still hate black people, and they
Speaker 2: still didn't want race or set slavery to end. So
Speaker 2: whatever you color, whatever other things you add on top
Speaker 2: of this, let's get to the shit nugget. The shit
Speaker 2: nugget is you're still just racist and nobody wanted slavery
Speaker 2: to in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, let's fast forward to nineteen sixties. Again. Something I
Speaker 2: never thought about until reading this is like it's a
Speaker 2: Civil War centennial. I never thought about that that there was,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, in the nineteen sixties, there's you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to do some sort of memorial because it's one
Speaker 2: hundred years since we almost lost our country, right, And
Speaker 2: the US created a National Commission to air quotes celebrate
Speaker 2: the war in hopes so that, yes, yes, in hopes
Speaker 2: to reconcile right the country. Now, there was nothing about
Speaker 2: the emancipation of slavery. Right, So the South realized since
Speaker 2: that wasn't a part of this celebration of war. It
Speaker 2: was about like the bringing back of the Union, the
Speaker 2: fact that we almost lost our country. It wasn't about
Speaker 2: freeing the slaves. The people of the South realized, like, yo,
Speaker 2: this is our chance to reinnite white people, right because listen,
Speaker 2: you got brown versus Board of Education in Little Rock.
Speaker 2: Got They already feel like they're losing so much ground.
Speaker 2: This is a civil rights movement, so they already feel
Speaker 2: like even though they might be winning the piece and
Speaker 2: this narrative is still is still being perpetuated. They're like,
Speaker 2: but we're still losing. They're like, one hundred years later, like,
Speaker 2: get this idea. One hundred years later, they still feel
Speaker 2: like they're being invaded by the Yankees again because now
Speaker 2: you're telling me we have to like we have to
Speaker 2: we have to let them come into our restaurants, we
Speaker 2: have to drink from the same drinking fountains from them.
Speaker 2: We now have to let them into our schools. And
Speaker 2: the government is making us do this right. Remember you
Speaker 2: had to say I had to send the Federal truths
Speaker 2: to protect the little girl from walking into to her
Speaker 2: school in Little Rock, Right. So the narrative again that
Speaker 2: they're believing is like it's happening all over again. One
Speaker 2: hundred years later, you're still making us do this right,
Speaker 2: So this is our chance to do this right. So
Speaker 2: they do under the US National Commission. To celebrate the war,
Speaker 2: they put together something I didn't know, a new one
Speaker 2: hundred year celebration commemorating the inauguration of Jefferson Davis.
Speaker 1: All the people like, yeah, the guy who led our
Speaker 1: country into a who let our fucking bullshit fake country
Speaker 1: into a ditch. Yes, yeah, let's celebrate that guy. Calender
Speaker 1: Richmond having buildings, Thank god he got rid of them
Speaker 1: for us, and the foolish North had to spend all
Speaker 1: that money on fire.
Speaker 2: Stupid Yes, Montgomery, Alabama. So they got to commemorate the
Speaker 2: Southern way of life, which was how they did it.
Speaker 2: So they they're like, we're facing these things one hundred
Speaker 2: years later, so we're gonna remember our Southern way of life.
Speaker 2: They've totally reenacted period, perfect specific clothing, and they reenac
Speaker 2: acted the inauguration of Jefferson Davis.
Speaker 1: I whish they'd reenact Pickett's charge. We could deal with
Speaker 1: a problem now.
Speaker 2: We really had something going on there, right And again
Speaker 2: they're talking about the overstepping of the Feds, right. So,
Speaker 2: and it was at that point in nineteen sixty one
Speaker 2: is when Confederate flags started going into our state buildings.
Speaker 2: Was at this these people actually thought putting together a
Speaker 2: national commission to celebrate the war would actually unite us.
Speaker 2: Right now, what's happening at this moment is while this
Speaker 2: is all going on, Confederate flags are going back up
Speaker 2: on buildings. The South still feels like they're being encroached.
Speaker 2: Is this little thing called the civil rights movement, which
Speaker 2: is different. Now, this ain't the eighteen sixties. Black people
Speaker 2: can read, you know, I'm saying, we can read, we
Speaker 2: own the TV, we got money, now, we got education.
Speaker 2: Now there's a thing called and this was super interesting
Speaker 2: that it was a cool connection in my own life.
Speaker 2: Would you know anything about like the Ebony or Jet magazines.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard of Ebony magazine. I haven't heard
Speaker 1: of Jet really, but.
Speaker 2: Jet magazine was it was like half the size. It
Speaker 2: was almost like a five x seven fold out. It
Speaker 2: was a little thicker most of it. For us, it
Speaker 2: would be like our grandma's you know, Aunties had like
Speaker 2: a subscription to them.
Speaker 1: Whereas Ebony kind of like Esquire bas Ebany's big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a big magazine right with the bigger
Speaker 2: articles and stuff like that. It was like the size
Speaker 2: of like Jet magazine was like the size of like
Speaker 2: a TV guide, and you would have like black actors, actresses,
Speaker 2: like like just black Hollywood inside on the covers and
Speaker 2: inside of things. So it was like we were telling
Speaker 2: our stories now, you know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 2: a we now have again, there's an actual market we
Speaker 2: have you know, liquid, you know, income to be able
Speaker 2: to build and propagate our culture. Right and again, anybody
Speaker 2: in my age, remember they used to have this thing
Speaker 2: called the Jet magazine Beauty of the Week. So you'd
Speaker 2: flip to a magazine, you'd flip to the middle and
Speaker 2: it would be the Beauty of the Week, and it
Speaker 2: was just some like black woman that was in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: kind of like scantily clad, like in like a bathing
Speaker 2: suit or whatever. And a lot of our culture, which
Speaker 2: you may or may not know this, but this is
Speaker 2: a very important part of the story, is around like
Speaker 2: the barbershop or the beauty salon. Now. So for me,
Speaker 2: as the youngest of two sisters and a mother, oftentimes
Speaker 2: my barber was at the same beauty shop as where
Speaker 2: my mother and my sister got their hair done. Now,
Speaker 2: so we'd have to go eight in the morning, right,
Speaker 2: sit there. Every two weeks and I'm we get there
Speaker 2: at eight. I'm done by a thirty, right. But the
Speaker 2: thing with black women in the hair, you gotta wash it.
Speaker 2: They sit under the blow dry to let it dry.
Speaker 2: This is where they gossip. Right, So we're not out
Speaker 2: of there till like one pm. So by eight fifteen,
Speaker 2: for four hours, I'm just sitting there, Right, what do
Speaker 2: you do? Well, you have your little sexual awakening looking
Speaker 2: at the jet magazines, right, so you just sitting there
Speaker 2: looking at all this black beauty and just understanding its culture.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it was like I say all that to say,
Speaker 2: like it was it's this, this is where you get
Speaker 2: essence from and Vibe magazine and just just this like
Speaker 2: black print media that showed black people all over the country,
Speaker 2: just like the full gambit of our experience, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So it was such an important part
Speaker 2: of us telling our own story now while this is happening.
Speaker 2: Why this is so important is because cause the South
Speaker 2: is trying to the lost cause people are trying to
Speaker 2: create this narrative about what the Civil War was. Now
Speaker 2: there's a body to counteract it, right, And the body
Speaker 2: to counteract it was the voice of black people period. Right.
Speaker 2: That was like, you are not able to tell us
Speaker 2: what happened. We know what happened, and you know what happened,
Speaker 2: and we know what you're doing is the exact same thing,
Speaker 2: right now, we know it, right, So people like so
Speaker 2: part of the aggression arounds, not just like I think
Speaker 2: it's a very important to stay part of the aggression.
Speaker 2: Why it was so infuriating for the segregated South at
Speaker 2: the time was because now there's a compounded voice to
Speaker 2: push back against their narrative, right, a voice that now
Speaker 2: has financial power or and cultural sway. Right, you could hate,
Speaker 2: you could hate Doctor King, which is what they did,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But Doctor King exists partially
Speaker 2: at the scale he does because of black print media.
Speaker 2: Because now it's not just church networks. Now it's not
Speaker 2: just us talking about South. The whole country can be
Speaker 2: involved and we can show you right with our printed things,
Speaker 2: with our movies, with our media, to be like we're
Speaker 2: not what they say we are, matter of fact, you
Speaker 2: love everything we've given you to this world, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So, so that's Centennial and their reenactment
Speaker 2: of Montgomery, of Jefferson Davis's inauguration. Why it's not in
Speaker 2: most of our history books is because black people stepped
Speaker 2: up and was like, fuck that shit, right, which I
Speaker 2: think is a great moment in history. Again, one hundred
Speaker 2: years later, which is the interesting part of this. Again,
Speaker 2: one hundred years later, you're celebrating the success of the
Speaker 2: Civil War, but we're still not free. One hundred years later,
Speaker 2: we're still not free. This is what black people are saying, like,
Speaker 2: we're still not free. So I don't understand what the
Speaker 2: fuck you're celebrating, Like, we're still not free. Fam you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And that became a narrative that
Speaker 2: started to take over. So at this point, this lost cause,
Speaker 2: which reached its height in the sixties, is now is
Speaker 2: going to see the beginning of its decline because we
Speaker 2: can now talk for ourselves. You fast forward through the
Speaker 2: Cold War, where we stopped fighting against each other essentially
Speaker 2: and started fighting against communism. So this kind of became
Speaker 2: sort of a background, kind of like just something that
Speaker 2: just existed in weird racist spaces because the rest of
Speaker 2: us had moved on to all that is evil coming
Speaker 2: from the Red block, right, coming from the Iron Curtain, right.
Speaker 2: So that's what happens out there. Now, fast forward to
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, because at twenty eleven would have been the
Speaker 2: one hundred and fiftieth mark of the Civil War. Right
Speaker 2: and the state Commission figured out, Yo, we really botched
Speaker 2: that first one, right, Like we really were sleep we
Speaker 2: really were sleeping at the wheels the first time we
Speaker 2: tried to do this commemoration a thing. So they were like,
Speaker 2: we're going to try to fix it. So they put
Speaker 2: together state commissions that were going to talk about slavery
Speaker 2: and reconstruction. Right. But in twenty ten, Charleston, South Carolina
Speaker 2: held what was called the Suspensions Ball, celebrating secession from
Speaker 2: the Union. And in February twenty eleventh, the Confederate Heritage
Speaker 2: Rally happened in the capital of Montgomery, Alabama, which I
Speaker 2: hope gives credence and a little more understanding to the
Speaker 2: fade in the water that happened last year. Like you
Speaker 2: have to understand, this is the city, you feel me.
Speaker 2: This the city that re enacted Jefferson Davis's inauguration. They
Speaker 2: tried to do it again, right, So they was like, yeah, okay, listen,
Speaker 2: we need to start whooping some asses. You're still saying
Speaker 2: like I didn't had it you feel me? So, so
Speaker 2: these are the things that are happening around this time.
Speaker 2: But like I said, it's in these like sort of
Speaker 2: weird pointy but it's as recent as twenty eleven that
Speaker 2: this thing happened. Now fast forward to twenty fifteen, Dillion
Speaker 2: roof happened, right, because the Lost Cause narrative around our
Speaker 2: lifetime had really just kind of moved into like the
Speaker 2: four Chan and just like the weird worlds of the Internet.
Speaker 2: Because again, the Internet exists and most people can read
Speaker 2: and you could say, well, clearly this is bullshit, Like
Speaker 2: most people, most logical Americans were able to be like, nah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I see why our parents say that maybe
Speaker 2: it was a part of the thing some of us obviously,
Speaker 2: like we said before, the fact that the fact that
Speaker 2: it continued, is it continued in ways that were more subtle.
Speaker 2: The fact that it's now cemented parts of it that
Speaker 2: what you brought up when we were doing the other episodes,
Speaker 2: parts of it that have have like slowly kind of
Speaker 2: like subtly creeped into the historical narrative. That that meant
Speaker 2: that like it was hard for us to be able
Speaker 2: to tell fact from fiction. It was hard for us
Speaker 2: to be able to tell which is just lost cause
Speaker 2: and which is actual history. So the germs of it
Speaker 2: has continued into our understanding of what what we think
Speaker 2: the Civil War was about. Right, And it's only like
Speaker 2: historians and like educators are able to parse through and
Speaker 2: step and be like no, no, no, no no no, that's specifically this,
Speaker 2: that's specifically that. So but the but the remnants of it,
Speaker 2: like you said, the big the Big Head Book children's
Speaker 2: book thing still had elements of the lost Cause narrative,
Speaker 2: but nobody was calling it the lost Cause because at
Speaker 2: this point, again, monuments are on the are being built
Speaker 2: around Virginia. There's all these like Jefferson Davis statues and
Speaker 2: all stuff. It's kind of just a part of life.
Speaker 2: And people just kind of understood that, Like, look, dude,
Speaker 2: the South wanted to do this. They built their minds
Speaker 2: because they really they were just mad they lost whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: but it was a part of the thing. Now, Dyllian
Speaker 2: Roof happened, right, And when that happened, when the the
Speaker 2: Queen Breknewsome climbed up the flagpole in front of the
Speaker 2: South Carolina Courthouse and pulled the Confederate flag down right,
Speaker 2: who Nikki Haley actually tried to take credit for, which
Speaker 2: I still think it's hilarious. But we all saw it,
Speaker 2: fam like we all saw her climb up. You had
Speaker 2: been governor for a while, you could have taken that
Speaker 2: down a long time ago. Anyway, when Dylan Roof happened,
Speaker 2: I think America actually realized that, like the lost cause
Speaker 2: is not gone at all. It just moved right and
Speaker 2: when it came back, it came back in a way,
Speaker 2: which I think was super interesting because during that time,
Speaker 2: obviously twenty fifteen Dylan Roof happened, Black Lives Matter is
Speaker 2: now a thing. You know what I'm saying. Monuments are
Speaker 2: getting torn down across the country because they're like listen, dude,
Speaker 2: like they never should have been put up in the
Speaker 2: first place. This is absurd. We need to tear these
Speaker 2: things down. You need to take down these flags, and
Speaker 2: you take down these things. So now there was during
Speaker 2: that I actually remember this, but it's now in the
Speaker 2: historical record. I forget home girl's name, but in front.
Speaker 2: But while all this is happening in twenty fifteen and sixteen,
Speaker 2: like in our life, while all this is happening. There
Speaker 2: was a lady in the front of the Charleston, South
Speaker 2: Carolina Courthouse, dressed in full Civil War guard with a
Speaker 2: sign that said, these people's lives matter too, right, and
Speaker 2: she was saying that the lives of the Confederate soldiers
Speaker 2: matter too. So while you're taking down this flag and
Speaker 2: saying that black lives matter, well, what about their lives?
Speaker 2: These are This is our history, which if you've been
Speaker 2: following the historical narrative, you see, oh here it is again,
Speaker 2: this is the Lost Cause narrative. You're trying to tell
Speaker 2: me that they were they were valiant. So and it
Speaker 2: was that moment twenty fifteen, during the Black Lives Matter thing,
Speaker 2: that the Lost Cause came back into its full glory
Speaker 2: because but nobody knew it was called that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, It was called all Lives Matter, it
Speaker 2: was called you understand I'm saying, it was called something else. Right,
Speaker 2: So this argument around like, well it's heritage not hey,
Speaker 2: like you know what the rebel flag actually stands for,
Speaker 2: you know, and all these things is is we watched,
Speaker 2: in our own mind, in our own life, a rewriting
Speaker 2: of something that we already understood, which brings me again
Speaker 2: to the part that I said in the first one,
Speaker 2: which it was like, I almost have empathy for you
Speaker 2: because the fortitude it takes to reconstruct reality for yourself
Speaker 2: is scary. It's scary to have to reconstruct reality, right, So,
Speaker 2: whether it was actual Confederates or people in our modern times,
Speaker 2: having to really realize that everything they've learned about their
Speaker 2: history is bullshit and that you have to really be
Speaker 2: willing to let that go and walk away from what
Speaker 2: you've known to be reality is very difficult, you know,
Speaker 2: because now when you're looking at these monuments to Robert E.
Speaker 2: Lee Jefferson Davis, your connection to it is now just
Speaker 2: a nostalgia that actually is separate from the actual Confederates.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, he was born in two thousand
Speaker 2: and two. You've just been this. You see the statue,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, when you were going to
Speaker 2: get ice cream after kindergarten. It's like, I'm now just
Speaker 2: used to this because it's my own history. I have
Speaker 2: this emotional connection to this. And then somebody tells you like,
Speaker 2: well that's a statue, you to a piece of shit
Speaker 2: and it needs to go down, And you're like well,
Speaker 2: but it's like, but now it's my history, you know,
Speaker 2: and what do I do with the fact that it's
Speaker 2: my history? Right? Anyway, I'll close it with this, when finally,
Speaker 2: when the monuments to Robert E. Lee were torn down
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, the Mayor of New Orleans when he
Speaker 2: finally removed the monument in twenty seventeen, he says, this
Speaker 2: monuments Confederate like Confederate monuments, purposefully celebrate a fictional, sanitized Confederacy,
Speaker 2: ignoring the death, ignoring the sale, enslavement, and ignoring the
Speaker 2: terror that it actually stood for. It is self evident
Speaker 2: that these men did not fight for the United States
Speaker 2: of America. They fought against it. They may have been warriors,
Speaker 2: but in this cause they were not patriots. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: were warriors for long yep. And that's the lost cause
Speaker 2: we were actually right. We were just out gunned and
Speaker 2: out manned.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And when you put it in books, you know, let
Speaker 2: this be a lesson to us, all, you.
Speaker 1: Know, don't let your enemies write the books.
Speaker 2: Don't let them write the books. I do think it's
Speaker 2: an interesting thing to like, like when you hear in
Speaker 2: a time where like with you know, disinformation and like
Speaker 2: you know and AI and shit like how it kind
Speaker 2: of feels like whack a mole, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like cause but you have but like in some sens like,
Speaker 2: we have to stay vigilant. You have to shut the
Speaker 2: shit down immediately, you know, because if it takes roots,
Speaker 2: then one hundred and fifty years later, I'm still trying
Speaker 2: to explain to somebody that, like, no, that's made up,
Speaker 2: that's not you weren't patriots. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is always cool. I love Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got it right when you said it's like whack
Speaker 1: a mole, right where. Yeah, Unfortunately, the only way to
Speaker 1: actually win is to maintain vigilance until the last people
Speaker 1: with a vested interest in changing the narrative die. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and every generation.
Speaker 2: Until the machine breaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Not no, because we didn't, I mean, because
Speaker 1: we ignored it for decades. Yeah, the government gave up,
Speaker 1: and then we tried to pretend it would go away,
Speaker 1: and it just got stronger.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You think to yourself again, like surely, the the
Speaker 2: obviousness of just how absolutely absurd what they're saying you
Speaker 2: you you think you don't have to say anything. You
Speaker 2: think you just have to be like, well, that's stupid,
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna believe that, and then people believe it, right,
Speaker 2: and then and then you're where you are now. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, It feels so modern, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, is this conversation feels so current
Speaker 2: to me, even in the sense that like we're essentially
Speaker 2: wrestling with the same we're experiencing the same sort of
Speaker 2: like storytelling and story shaping, because again, memory is about
Speaker 2: the present, it's not about the past, right so like
Speaker 2: we're experiencing that right now with our own political makeup
Speaker 2: or what's happening all of Russia, Ukraine, you know, Israel, Gaza,
Speaker 2: like America, like our politics, we're experiencing it right now,
Speaker 2: Like like our memories are being fought over right now,
Speaker 2: Like you're like some there, you're trying to capture the
Speaker 2: story and shape it in a way that we have
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty two hundred, three hundred thousand years
Speaker 2: of evidence that says you can't let the cement settle.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like you you can't, you
Speaker 2: can't let them win the story, you know, And in
Speaker 2: a sense, it's like I'm not saying I have the
Speaker 2: right story, you know what I'm saying Like, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that. I'm just saying, but you don't get to
Speaker 2: you don't get to craft it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can't stop lighting their ship on
Speaker 1: fire until there's nothing left to light on fire. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you know, as I'll do credit to Sherman, we needed
Speaker 1: more people starting fires down there.
Speaker 2: Yes, we needed more people starting Yeah. So that's the
Speaker 2: Lost Cause and hopefully we never got to talk about
Speaker 2: this nigga again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think this is the end of him finally.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So if you haven't caught up, if you
Speaker 2: haven't checked out the Robert E. Lee episodes, they are
Speaker 2: or Bobby the episodes, they are on the Bastard Feed.
Speaker 2: These Robbie Robbie, these are obviously on the Politics Feed.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna look to do more crossovers like this
Speaker 2: as time goes on.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, absolutely all right, everybody, I love you me too.
Speaker 1: I don't buy damn.
Speaker 2: Okay future prop here. I just want to make sure
Speaker 2: this tie in is clear. I promised that I would
Speaker 2: connect the Lost Cause to January sixth, and here's the
Speaker 2: tie and I was trying to say, it's still the
Speaker 2: spirit that there's an aggression from the government that's robbing
Speaker 2: you of your way of life. I mean, that's the
Speaker 2: organizing point around the mega phenomenon, is there was a
Speaker 2: way that America is supposed to be and these liberal
Speaker 2: progressive you know, you can substitute that phrase for Northerners
Speaker 2: are pushing their way of life on us right, and
Speaker 2: we have to fight back. Now. If and when the
Speaker 2: insurrectionist type moment in culture finally gets squashed, it's it's
Speaker 2: almost like you're watching a new lost cause narrative be birth.
Speaker 2: It's like Trump Trump didn't get his position because the
Speaker 2: whole you know, government was against him. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, the the the deep state was against him.
Speaker 2: You know, he would have won. If it wasn't for this,
Speaker 2: he would have Our movement would have been better if
Speaker 2: it if we were just out numbered, we had the
Speaker 2: courts against us. It's it's still just a lost cause
Speaker 2: type situation. And if and when the insurrectionist type moment
Speaker 2: in culture finally gets squashed, it's it's almost like you're
Speaker 2: watching a new lost cause narrative be birth. It's like
Speaker 2: Trump Trump didn't get his position because the whole you know,
Speaker 2: government was against him. You know what I'm saying, The
Speaker 2: deep state was against him. You know, he would have won.
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for this, he would have Our movement
Speaker 2: would have been better. We were just outnumbered, We had
Speaker 2: the courts against us. It's still just a lost cause
Speaker 2: type situation. And if we're not careful, we're just watching
Speaker 2: January sixth insurrection become a new loss cause, a new
Speaker 2: way that this loss cause idea or concept comes into
Speaker 2: a new life. And the same way that, like the
Speaker 2: Civil Rights movement was a new iteration of the Civil
Speaker 2: War argument, which is they're taking our way of life,
Speaker 2: They're forcing their way of life on us. So I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, like, like what I was trying to say
Speaker 2: ultimately is like same. They's all right, all right, now,
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