1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Media. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: What's up y'all? Politics will prob Part two lost cause 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: got the LG Robert Robert Evans out this mug. Well, 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: maybe not the OG Robert Evans. The OG Robert Evans 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: passed away. You know what I'm saying, this Robert. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Evans, thus raising my, uh my profile significantly. 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: Bro. There's a there's an eighties like synth pop band 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: from Germany called Propaganda that for years, their like tour 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: schedule would intermix with mine on any of the like 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: RSS feeds, kind of pulling things. And when I tell 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: you how livid them, German foods was what they would 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: see by Pitcher and they would be so mad because 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: I'm not there Propaganda to the point of where like 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: I can I've only performed in Germany once because they 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: was upset. Yeah, you know, because you're like, they had 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: to be like propaganda USA hip hop. 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Probably American propaganda, German propaganda. Yeah, but they don't want 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: to be called German propaganda. That brings that brings people 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: some bad memories. 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: Bad vibes. Yeah. Anyway, let's get into it. So we 21 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: left off with, Oh, anyway, I forgot Robert Sophie. Oh 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: I didn't forget I did say that so much on 23 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: the mine right now, Robert, Oh, yeah, the LG Sophie 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: ball playing. You know what I'm saying. You got a 25 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: shout out on one of these shows recently that I did. 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: I don't remember talking about you hooping and that, like 27 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: for you to be able to hoop at Hamilton, I 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: mean you could really hoop, because you'd have to really 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: be able to play to play over there. Yeah. If 30 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: she was like, oh, yeah, I played at San Juan Capistrano, 31 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay, you know anyway, sure, sure, Sophie, 32 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah you're a ballplayer. No, she played at Hamilton and 33 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: you can hoop. So the question was like, why did 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: it stick? How come the Union didn't push back? And 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 2: the answer is they did push back. The Confederates were 36 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: just they just drew blood first. They were by the time, yes, 37 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: by the time the Union got around to building cemeteries 38 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: and memorials, the Confederates had like ten years on them. 39 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: They had had ten years of putting up these things. 40 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: They already had their magazine up and running. They're in 41 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: their second generation of like support clubs, you know what 42 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying. They're already at the Daughters of the Confederate 43 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So they they were already 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: up and running and established, and you know, is this 45 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: a normal phrase but like or phrase everybody else says. 46 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: But I know my uncle used to say, like a 47 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: lie travels the world twice yea before while the truth 48 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: is still trying to choose. 49 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard it attributed to Mark Twain, but I 50 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: think there's a good chance that that is also a lie. 51 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: And right it was someone else entirely, yeah, which probably. 52 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: Some black guy. Yeah, but yeah, So they were already 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: like they were already playing from behind, and then they 54 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: formed the Grand Army of Republic. Right now, what the 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: Confederate like Soldiers Association would do is they kept inviting 56 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: Union soldiers to Union like veterans to come to these 57 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: like mixers for like photo ops and stuff like that. 58 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: And obviously the Union like veterans were like fuck out 59 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: my face, Like hell, no, I'm not gonna go down there. 60 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, of course we're not 61 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: gonna do that. But what that would do is that 62 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: would change the moral footing. So if if the Union 63 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: soldiers like refuse to go, then now they look like 64 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: the barbarians. They're the ones. They're like I thought you 65 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: were about reconstruction. I thought you were about keeping the 66 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: Union together. You're not willing to sit down with us. 67 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: The war's over, now we're done. I'm trying to like, look, man, 68 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: we both shared this. We were both a little bit wrong. 69 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: You know, maybe there was some wrong on your side, 70 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 71 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: Like it was a complicated time, Yeah it was. 72 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: It was different. It was complicated. But can we at 73 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: least sit down and be civil so they could pull 74 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: the week and be civil? Thing? Right? 75 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: Wow? Why you guys aren't willing to be civil? Okay, Okay, 76 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, we just wanted to be friends. 77 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: You know, listen, man, we're taking our l we Look, 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: we all we both fought valiantly. We both believed in 79 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: a cause. 80 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: Who's to say who lost? 81 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: Who's to say? 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: Right? 83 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: So that's kind of the thing. So and again, like 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: I said before, like this was happening after you know, 85 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: under originally under Reconstruction, like I said, the states were 86 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: broken into the districts. They were controlled by Union army 87 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: veterans who outlawed like Confederate celebrat So you wouldn't be 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: able to do no, like first anniversary, tenth anniversary, weren't 89 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: allowed to do that, right because martial law was there. 90 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: But martial law can only last for so long. And 91 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: then after that the First Amendment kicks in. Right, So 92 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: now that the First Amendment kicks in, you can't stop 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: them from these gatherings. So they would sit down, they 94 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: would have these reunions, and of course the union soldiers like, look, dude, 95 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: like I'm not really here for reconciliation with you. You 96 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like this is absurd. We feel gaslit, 97 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: like you were wrong and you were not brave, You 98 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: did not stand up for what you believe. You were wrong, 99 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: and you got shut down. But we'll go and take 100 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: these pictures right now. What's interesting is fast forward to now, 101 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: like follow me on this train of thought, you take 102 00:05:53,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: like the Israel and Godzas situation, right, And what all 103 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: all research shows, when I say all Robert Joseph Twain Evans, okay, 104 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: all research shows that the degree for which the state 105 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: security is heavy handed guarantees the continuation of the rebel 106 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: or extremists views. You create sympathy for the extremists, or 107 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: you birth a new one guarantees if you are too 108 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: heavy handed. Almost every person who has been like radicalized 109 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 2: in that sort of thing, they can almost always trace 110 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: their radicalization back to the treatment of the government security forces. Always, right, 111 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: So when you say I need to stamp out like well, 112 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: like is we're saying we got to stamp alhamas like 113 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: we got to stamp them out. We're going to trace 114 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: them wherever they're going. It's like, if you're only concerned 115 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: about this situation is the safety of Israel, then you 116 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: should then you should know what you're doing is wrong. 117 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: Even if even if you have no feelings towards the 118 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: people of Palaestime, what you're doing is not gonna guarantee safety. 119 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it's guaranteeing a new hamas, right, 120 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: is what you're doing. So knowing this again, like I'm 121 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: talking about the complications of like the Union soldiers who 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: feel like I can't believe I have to deal with this. 123 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: We should have just hung y'all right, it's like, well, 124 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: in your brain, it's like, well, if we if we 125 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: come down too hard, it's we're gonna harden this these 126 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: people against us even more, right, But if we give 127 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: them any space, we're justifying their cause, Like are we 128 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: saying that? Like maybe what they're saying is legitimate. All 129 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: that to say is before you start getting on Twitter 130 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: and saying what a person should do is like it's complicated. 131 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: It's really hard to think through these things. You know, 132 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: this is obviously no stand report for Israel because what 133 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: they doing, like I said, it's VERI five be wrong. 134 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, But it's complicated. It's like, 135 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: so what do you do do you be like, man, 136 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: y'all are stupid. I'm not gonna go down there at all. 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: But then if you do that again, you lose the 138 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: peace because now you look like the person that's not 139 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: willing to really come together in unity. Right. So they 140 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: were cool with taking the photo ops. They were down 141 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: with the reunion because that's what they fought for. But 142 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: we're not trying to reconcile with y'all, Like we're not friends. 143 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: Let's just make this work, like y'all live over there, 144 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: we live over there. It is what it is, but 145 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: like we're not homies right now. This means that by 146 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: nineteen thirty, by nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty, like the Confederates, 147 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: have won the story. They have now convinced the country that, like, 148 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: there's two sides to this, this is what we fought for. 149 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't really about this slavery thing, because again you 150 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: have to remember Black people still don't have a voice 151 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: yet as a nation, like we're poking through here and there, 152 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: but as a collective commune unity, we don't have a 153 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: say in this because if we did, we would have 154 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: been like, hold up, guys, y'all, like for real, like y'all, 155 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: y'all believe in this shit, you know what I'm saying. 156 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: So we didn't, but we didn't have a We didn't 157 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: have a say yet. Right now, by the thirties, the 158 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: United Daughters of the Confederacy are absolutely killing it in 159 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: the monuments, like their statues everywhere, they're schools named after 160 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: Confederate soldiers because again, it's about it's about legacy. The 161 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 2: children of the Confederacy get this. Had a catechism. There 162 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: was a catechism for ages six to sixteen to where 163 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: you had to discuss. You had to know that. You 164 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: had to know your Bible figures, you know what I'm saying. 165 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: You had to know your characters, you had to know 166 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: how to story Willie when they were catechizing their kids. Sure, 167 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: so like how you compete with that? You know what 168 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like how you fight with that? You know? So? 169 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: So will you catechise your kids? You know what I'm saying, Like, 170 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: I don't know, how do you fight with that? Right? 171 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: Universities, Yeah, do a little have a holiday every year 172 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: where you build a model of Richmond and burn it down. 173 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: Right, old burning man styles. 174 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: Right, have a yearly Sherman's March to the Sea festival. 175 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: You know what, I've talked myself into it. This is 176 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: a good call. Actually, actually it's what we should have done. 177 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: That's what we should have done. Just annual burnings. 178 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, have a wicker Man. But it's like Robert E. 179 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: Lee, it's all gray uniform and everything. Just light it 180 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: all fire. 181 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm on board with this idea. 182 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: Now you might be stumbled onto some genius. Yeah, but yeah, 183 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: So like universities were getting, like Confederate Memorial Hall. There's 184 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: the Confederate Memorial Hall at Peabody College in Tennessee, which 185 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: established in nineteen thirty five. Now it's a part of 186 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: Vanderbilt University. Like they just removed the word Confederate in 187 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Right, the dorms were the dorms were because 188 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: we're four. They had a dorm specifically for the daughters 189 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: of Confederates. See, like for their vets. Columbia, you had 190 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: a scholarship for Confederate descendants, so like, you know, if 191 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: you fought in war, like, we got a scholarship for you. 192 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: So they're creating legacy. It's like, look, it's not your fault, 193 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Your daddy fought valiantly and 194 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: now his cause was lost, but you should at least 195 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: not be suffering. 196 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: For you should get a benefit from it, right, So 197 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: you should get it. 198 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: He's still a veteran. They're still a veteran. They're still American. Right. 199 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: So you in elementary schools, you in churches, you in monuments, 200 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: you in the civic communities, and now you're in universities, right, 201 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: and you run in the school boards. Now this is 202 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: all happening in the South, right, because remember the country's 203 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: much bigger than the South at the time, but this 204 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: is happening there. Now. The question that came to my 205 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: mind at the time was like, well, well, how did 206 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: it leave the South, Like how did this idea and 207 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: make it anywhere else? And I mean the easiest answer 208 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: is like, well people moved. What I'm saying like, well, 209 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: you just move, you know, you move and you set 210 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: up shop. I remember one of my favorite movies at first, 211 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: one of the first documentaries I saw about LA in 212 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: the nineties was called Banging in Little Rock, and it 213 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: was about a crip gang in Little Rock, Arkansas. And 214 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: for the life of me, I could not understand how 215 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 2: that worked because they would be named because these these 216 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: these gangs would be named after neighborhoods in California. Like so, 217 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, how are you How do you have a 218 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: neighborhood rolling sixty crip gang in Topeka? Like there is 219 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: no sixties. Yeah, I'm like, it's called sixties because it's 220 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: the sixties blocks, you know, sixty first to sixty nine. 221 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: That's why it's called sixties. You know what I'm saying, 222 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: West Side sixties is because. 223 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: You don't even have sixty blocks in Little Rocks, you know, sixty. 224 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: So like, why are you called that? I recalled, which 225 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: I think I've talked about a hood of politics before. 226 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: I recall being the seventh grader, you be on three 227 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: Way because that's how old I am. You on three 228 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: Way and be like, yo, uh, what happened to Andre? 229 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, where Andre being? I ain't 230 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: seen them all summer? Oh, Andre had to go live 231 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: with his auntie because we would you start getting in trouble. Yeah, 232 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: they would go send you to live with granny. You 233 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: have to go live with ya, go live with granny. 234 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: So you would go, we would get sent south. You 235 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: would get sent to these other cities. And at that point, 236 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: you like you're a kid from La you already banging hoover. 237 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: You get out there, it's like I just really need 238 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 2: I just need three other dudes. I'll put them on. 239 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that we just now we 240 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: run the city. So that's how these sets happened. Or 241 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: you in jail, like somebody or you know, somebody from Arkansas, 242 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: go to jail, you in a cell block with a 243 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: blood that dude puts you on. You go back to 244 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: your city, start running things, you know what I'm saying. 245 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 2: So it spreads because you move and you set up chapters. 246 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: So that's what they did. The Daughters of the Confederacy 247 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: started setting up chapters right in every state, and they 248 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: made textbooks, and the textbooks worked like they I can't 249 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: like it worked, they created textbooks. 250 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's always such like such the effective tactic, right, 251 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: And it's it's because as we've been getting, as I 252 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: keep saying, like what makes these people win is the 253 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: fact that most people either aren't aware the fight is 254 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: going on, and so they get they get to rack 255 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: up a lot of un unconfronted hours or yes, it's 256 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: not a fight. People like you know, most people are 257 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: not don't pay attention to school board ship, don't pay 258 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: attention to like what's going on in the uh in 259 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: in like picking school books. So if that's your obsession, 260 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: if you can get a whole your whole team obsessed 261 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: with that fight, you can do a lot while nobody 262 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: went without being really confronted. You know, and as we 263 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: as we know, when they actually have to fight, Confederates 264 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: do badly. So they must refer to not have a fight. 265 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: Yes, because they really they really don't want the smoke 266 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: in reality. Yeah, but you got books, you all that, 267 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: But like what really worked, the really what really did 268 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: it was the media, right, The birth of a nation 269 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: obviously did something to put to make these these clan 270 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: members seem like the protection of the pureness, of the 271 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: whiteness of the Southern woman, you know. Obviously, like the 272 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: plot of that story was like, these black brutes are ravaging, 273 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: you know, these pure southern white women, and the and 274 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: the and the and the clan comes in and they 275 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: save them, right. But much bigger than that is Gone 276 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: with the Wind in nineteen thirty nine. 277 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: We had to watch that movie so many times as 278 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: a kid. I bet you did, or as hell. 279 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: It's so slow and yeah, but that movie is like solidifies, 280 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: like it's this movie that we can you could actually 281 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: point out history. It's this movie that solidified that the 282 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: Civil War happened to the Confederacy, and that it was 283 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: Northern aggression, right, that caused this because the South was 284 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: living their way of life and the North had a 285 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: problem with their lay of life. It's because our memories 286 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: are extremely bad, right, And what we really remember, truthfully 287 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: is what something felt like. And what they're trying to 288 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: say is this is what it felt like. We're showing 289 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: you this movie that took place at this time, right, 290 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 2: And this movie was such a big hit that it 291 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: actually convinced America that that's really what the Civil War 292 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: was about, was about this movie, or it was about 293 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: northern aggression. And I got to tell you, man, the 294 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: first time I heard the term northern aggression, I thought 295 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: the person that said it to me made it up. 296 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: I was like, that's not a real word. 297 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: There's no way, that's that's what I heard as a kid. Yeah, 298 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: I got that from and I'd heard that from a 299 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: number of people. Yeah. 300 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: I was like, ain't no way, ain't no way. 301 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: Y'all with an aggression. Yeah. 302 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: I was like the I'm sorry, what now? Like, yeah, 303 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 2: that was the first time I ever heard that. I 304 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, no, y'all, y'all made that shit up. 305 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: That is not a real word. But anyway, Yeah, Like 306 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: like the first time my wife said to me shacuterie board, 307 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, I'm talking like twenty twenty one. 308 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: I was like, that's not a real word. You made 309 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: that up. There's no speaking from the white woman collective 310 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: charcuterie board. Are you right? That's how fake of a 311 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: word it is. 312 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what you say, Robert, nobody does that. Yeah. 313 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: I like a nice croissant for for for breakfast. 314 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, for brecky like you fact, like you 315 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't pronounce those words incorrectly on purpose. 316 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I do that with everything. It's always purposeful. 317 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: It's more fun, man. But yeah, like you think of 318 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: like field trips, you know, when you like and again, 319 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: like as a kid, you're not if this is just 320 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: what's in your textbook, you're not like a true believer. 321 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: It's just that's my homework, right, I'm like, who doesn't 322 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: when you're a kid, who doesn't just you know, don't 323 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: just trust they books, you know what I'm saying. Like, 324 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: and even it's not even about trusting it. It's like 325 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: that's just the assignment. This is like my history class. 326 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: And then there's a field trip and you're excited about 327 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 2: a field trip because it's just a field trip, like 328 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: you don't have to like care, but then when you 329 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: get home, but when you get back to class, you 330 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: have to write ten things that you liked about this monument, 331 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So in these schools, they 332 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: were going to Confederate monuments, which at this time had 333 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: been up for almost one hundred years, so now it 334 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: is history, you know what I'm saying. So, like when 335 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 2: you're that far away from it and it's just what 336 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 2: you have to do in class, and it's in your book. 337 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: It's like, that's just what it is. And then obviously 338 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: you fast forward to like we talked about the other 339 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: and fastward in nineteen eighty and now we're talking about 340 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: Dukes of hazard You feel me that, Like I kind 341 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: of feel like now the more I know about the 342 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 2: Lost cause anybody with some sense should have said this 343 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: show should have never got greenlit, like how did this 344 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: make it own the TV? But this is how? And I, 345 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: like I said another one. I loved it. I loved 346 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: the Dukes of Hazards. The term listen, listen, listen, listen 347 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: colored folks that's watching this or that's listening to this. 348 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: You know the word Daisy Dukes the gene shorts. 349 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's her. 350 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: That was her name. She was Daisy Duke and she 351 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: used to wear cut off short and part of culture. 352 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: It's an important part of Robert, It's important part of 353 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: black culture. Like Daisy Dukes, what we call cut off 354 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: geen shorts is her, Like it's so crazy, what I 355 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: finally put it all together right? And so it spread 356 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: from these textbooks. It's spread from these movies, and don't 357 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: forget these people are still racist. Just at the end 358 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: of the day, y'all still hate black people, and they 359 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: still didn't want race or set slavery to end. So 360 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: whatever you color, whatever other things you add on top 361 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: of this, let's get to the shit nugget. The shit 362 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 2: nugget is you're still just racist and nobody wanted slavery 363 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: to in. 364 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 365 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: Now, let's fast forward to nineteen sixties. Again. Something I 366 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: never thought about until reading this is like it's a 367 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: Civil War centennial. I never thought about that that there was, 368 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, in the nineteen sixties, there's you're gonna 369 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: have to do some sort of memorial because it's one 370 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: hundred years since we almost lost our country, right, And 371 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: the US created a National Commission to air quotes celebrate 372 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: the war in hopes so that, yes, yes, in hopes 373 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: to reconcile right the country. Now, there was nothing about 374 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: the emancipation of slavery. Right, So the South realized since 375 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: that wasn't a part of this celebration of war. It 376 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: was about like the bringing back of the Union, the 377 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: fact that we almost lost our country. It wasn't about 378 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: freeing the slaves. The people of the South realized, like, yo, 379 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: this is our chance to reinnite white people, right because listen, 380 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: you got brown versus Board of Education in Little Rock. 381 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: Got They already feel like they're losing so much ground. 382 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: This is a civil rights movement, so they already feel 383 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: like even though they might be winning the piece and 384 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: this narrative is still is still being perpetuated. They're like, 385 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: but we're still losing. They're like, one hundred years later, like, 386 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 2: get this idea. One hundred years later, they still feel 387 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: like they're being invaded by the Yankees again because now 388 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: you're telling me we have to like we have to 389 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: we have to let them come into our restaurants, we 390 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: have to drink from the same drinking fountains from them. 391 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: We now have to let them into our schools. And 392 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: the government is making us do this right. Remember you 393 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: had to say I had to send the Federal truths 394 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: to protect the little girl from walking into to her 395 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: school in Little Rock, Right. So the narrative again that 396 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: they're believing is like it's happening all over again. One 397 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: hundred years later, you're still making us do this right, 398 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 2: So this is our chance to do this right. So 399 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: they do under the US National Commission. To celebrate the war, 400 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 2: they put together something I didn't know, a new one 401 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: hundred year celebration commemorating the inauguration of Jefferson Davis. 402 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: All the people like, yeah, the guy who led our 403 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: country into a who let our fucking bullshit fake country 404 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: into a ditch. Yes, yeah, let's celebrate that guy. Calender 405 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: Richmond having buildings, Thank god he got rid of them 406 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: for us, and the foolish North had to spend all 407 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: that money on fire. 408 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: Stupid Yes, Montgomery, Alabama. So they got to commemorate the 409 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: Southern way of life, which was how they did it. 410 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: So they they're like, we're facing these things one hundred 411 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: years later, so we're gonna remember our Southern way of life. 412 00:23:54,400 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: They've totally reenacted period, perfect specific clothing, and they reenac 413 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: acted the inauguration of Jefferson Davis. 414 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: I whish they'd reenact Pickett's charge. We could deal with 415 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: a problem now. 416 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 2: We really had something going on there, right And again 417 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: they're talking about the overstepping of the Feds, right. So, 418 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: and it was at that point in nineteen sixty one 419 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: is when Confederate flags started going into our state buildings. 420 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: Was at this these people actually thought putting together a 421 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: national commission to celebrate the war would actually unite us. 422 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: Right now, what's happening at this moment is while this 423 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: is all going on, Confederate flags are going back up 424 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: on buildings. The South still feels like they're being encroached. 425 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: Is this little thing called the civil rights movement, which 426 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: is different. Now, this ain't the eighteen sixties. Black people 427 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: can read, you know, I'm saying, we can read, we 428 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: own the TV, we got money, now, we got education. 429 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: Now there's a thing called and this was super interesting 430 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: that it was a cool connection in my own life. 431 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: Would you know anything about like the Ebony or Jet magazines. 432 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard of Ebony magazine. I haven't heard 433 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: of Jet really, but. 434 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: Jet magazine was it was like half the size. It 435 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: was almost like a five x seven fold out. It 436 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: was a little thicker most of it. For us, it 437 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: would be like our grandma's you know, Aunties had like 438 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: a subscription to them. 439 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: Whereas Ebony kind of like Esquire bas Ebany's big. 440 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a big magazine right with the bigger 441 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: articles and stuff like that. It was like the size 442 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: of like Jet magazine was like the size of like 443 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: a TV guide, and you would have like black actors, actresses, 444 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: like like just black Hollywood inside on the covers and 445 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: inside of things. So it was like we were telling 446 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 2: our stories now, you know what I'm saying. It was 447 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 2: a we now have again, there's an actual market we 448 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: have you know, liquid, you know, income to be able 449 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: to build and propagate our culture. Right and again, anybody 450 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: in my age, remember they used to have this thing 451 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: called the Jet magazine Beauty of the Week. So you'd 452 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: flip to a magazine, you'd flip to the middle and 453 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: it would be the Beauty of the Week, and it 454 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: was just some like black woman that was in Hollywood, 455 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: kind of like scantily clad, like in like a bathing 456 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: suit or whatever. And a lot of our culture, which 457 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: you may or may not know this, but this is 458 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: a very important part of the story, is around like 459 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 2: the barbershop or the beauty salon. Now. So for me, 460 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 2: as the youngest of two sisters and a mother, oftentimes 461 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: my barber was at the same beauty shop as where 462 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: my mother and my sister got their hair done. Now, 463 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 2: so we'd have to go eight in the morning, right, 464 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 2: sit there. Every two weeks and I'm we get there 465 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: at eight. I'm done by a thirty, right. But the 466 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: thing with black women in the hair, you gotta wash it. 467 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: They sit under the blow dry to let it dry. 468 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: This is where they gossip. Right, So we're not out 469 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: of there till like one pm. So by eight fifteen, 470 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: for four hours, I'm just sitting there, Right, what do 471 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: you do? Well, you have your little sexual awakening looking 472 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: at the jet magazines, right, so you just sitting there 473 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: looking at all this black beauty and just understanding its culture. 474 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: But anyway, it was like I say all that to say, 475 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: like it was it's this, this is where you get 476 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: essence from and Vibe magazine and just just this like 477 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: black print media that showed black people all over the country, 478 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: just like the full gambit of our experience, you know 479 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So it was such an important part 480 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: of us telling our own story now while this is happening. 481 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: Why this is so important is because cause the South 482 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: is trying to the lost cause people are trying to 483 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: create this narrative about what the Civil War was. Now 484 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: there's a body to counteract it, right, And the body 485 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: to counteract it was the voice of black people period. Right. 486 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: That was like, you are not able to tell us 487 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 2: what happened. We know what happened, and you know what happened, 488 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: and we know what you're doing is the exact same thing, 489 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: right now, we know it, right, So people like so 490 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: part of the aggression arounds, not just like I think 491 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: it's a very important to stay part of the aggression. 492 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: Why it was so infuriating for the segregated South at 493 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: the time was because now there's a compounded voice to 494 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: push back against their narrative, right, a voice that now 495 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: has financial power or and cultural sway. Right, you could hate, 496 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: you could hate Doctor King, which is what they did, 497 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But Doctor King exists partially 498 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: at the scale he does because of black print media. 499 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: Because now it's not just church networks. Now it's not 500 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: just us talking about South. The whole country can be 501 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: involved and we can show you right with our printed things, 502 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: with our movies, with our media, to be like we're 503 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: not what they say we are, matter of fact, you 504 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: love everything we've given you to this world, you know 505 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So, so that's Centennial and their reenactment 506 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: of Montgomery, of Jefferson Davis's inauguration. Why it's not in 507 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: most of our history books is because black people stepped 508 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: up and was like, fuck that shit, right, which I 509 00:29:50,520 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: think is a great moment in history. Again, one hundred 510 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: years later, which is the interesting part of this. Again, 511 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 2: one hundred years later, you're celebrating the success of the 512 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: Civil War, but we're still not free. One hundred years later, 513 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: we're still not free. This is what black people are saying, like, 514 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 2: we're still not free. So I don't understand what the 515 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: fuck you're celebrating, Like, we're still not free. Fam you 516 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And that became a narrative that 517 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: started to take over. So at this point, this lost cause, 518 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: which reached its height in the sixties, is now is 519 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: going to see the beginning of its decline because we 520 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: can now talk for ourselves. You fast forward through the 521 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: Cold War, where we stopped fighting against each other essentially 522 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: and started fighting against communism. So this kind of became 523 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: sort of a background, kind of like just something that 524 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 2: just existed in weird racist spaces because the rest of 525 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: us had moved on to all that is evil coming 526 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: from the Red block, right, coming from the Iron Curtain, right. 527 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: So that's what happens out there. Now, fast forward to 528 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: twenty eleven, because at twenty eleven would have been the 529 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: one hundred and fiftieth mark of the Civil War. Right 530 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: and the state Commission figured out, Yo, we really botched 531 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: that first one, right, Like we really were sleep we 532 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: really were sleeping at the wheels the first time we 533 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: tried to do this commemoration a thing. So they were like, 534 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: we're going to try to fix it. So they put 535 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: together state commissions that were going to talk about slavery 536 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: and reconstruction. Right. But in twenty ten, Charleston, South Carolina 537 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: held what was called the Suspensions Ball, celebrating secession from 538 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: the Union. And in February twenty eleventh, the Confederate Heritage 539 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 2: Rally happened in the capital of Montgomery, Alabama, which I 540 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 2: hope gives credence and a little more understanding to the 541 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: fade in the water that happened last year. Like you 542 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: have to understand, this is the city, you feel me. 543 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: This the city that re enacted Jefferson Davis's inauguration. They 544 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: tried to do it again, right, So they was like, yeah, okay, listen, 545 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: we need to start whooping some asses. You're still saying 546 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: like I didn't had it you feel me? So, so 547 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: these are the things that are happening around this time. 548 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: But like I said, it's in these like sort of 549 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: weird pointy but it's as recent as twenty eleven that 550 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: this thing happened. Now fast forward to twenty fifteen, Dillion 551 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: roof happened, right, because the Lost Cause narrative around our 552 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: lifetime had really just kind of moved into like the 553 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: four Chan and just like the weird worlds of the Internet. 554 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: Because again, the Internet exists and most people can read 555 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: and you could say, well, clearly this is bullshit, Like 556 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: most people, most logical Americans were able to be like, nah, 557 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I see why our parents say that maybe 558 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: it was a part of the thing some of us obviously, 559 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: like we said before, the fact that the fact that 560 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: it continued, is it continued in ways that were more subtle. 561 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: The fact that it's now cemented parts of it that 562 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: what you brought up when we were doing the other episodes, 563 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: parts of it that have have like slowly kind of 564 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: like subtly creeped into the historical narrative. That that meant 565 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: that like it was hard for us to be able 566 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: to tell fact from fiction. It was hard for us 567 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 2: to be able to tell which is just lost cause 568 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 2: and which is actual history. So the germs of it 569 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: has continued into our understanding of what what we think 570 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: the Civil War was about. Right, And it's only like 571 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: historians and like educators are able to parse through and 572 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: step and be like no, no, no, no no no, that's specifically this, 573 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: that's specifically that. So but the but the remnants of it, 574 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: like you said, the big the Big Head Book children's 575 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: book thing still had elements of the lost Cause narrative, 576 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: but nobody was calling it the lost Cause because at 577 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: this point, again, monuments are on the are being built 578 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: around Virginia. There's all these like Jefferson Davis statues and 579 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: all stuff. It's kind of just a part of life. 580 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: And people just kind of understood that, Like, look, dude, 581 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 2: the South wanted to do this. They built their minds 582 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: because they really they were just mad they lost whatever. Right, 583 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: but it was a part of the thing. Now, Dyllian 584 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 2: Roof happened, right, And when that happened, when the the 585 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: Queen Breknewsome climbed up the flagpole in front of the 586 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: South Carolina Courthouse and pulled the Confederate flag down right, 587 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: who Nikki Haley actually tried to take credit for, which 588 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: I still think it's hilarious. But we all saw it, 589 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: fam like we all saw her climb up. You had 590 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: been governor for a while, you could have taken that 591 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: down a long time ago. Anyway, when Dylan Roof happened, 592 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: I think America actually realized that, like the lost cause 593 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 2: is not gone at all. It just moved right and 594 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 2: when it came back, it came back in a way, 595 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 2: which I think was super interesting because during that time, 596 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 2: obviously twenty fifteen Dylan Roof happened, Black Lives Matter is 597 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: now a thing. You know what I'm saying. Monuments are 598 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 2: getting torn down across the country because they're like listen, dude, 599 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 2: like they never should have been put up in the 600 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 2: first place. This is absurd. We need to tear these 601 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 2: things down. You need to take down these flags, and 602 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: you take down these things. So now there was during 603 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: that I actually remember this, but it's now in the 604 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 2: historical record. I forget home girl's name, but in front. 605 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: But while all this is happening in twenty fifteen and sixteen, 606 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: like in our life, while all this is happening. There 607 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 2: was a lady in the front of the Charleston, South 608 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 2: Carolina Courthouse, dressed in full Civil War guard with a 609 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: sign that said, these people's lives matter too, right, and 610 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: she was saying that the lives of the Confederate soldiers 611 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 2: matter too. So while you're taking down this flag and 612 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: saying that black lives matter, well, what about their lives? 613 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: These are This is our history, which if you've been 614 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 2: following the historical narrative, you see, oh here it is again, 615 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 2: this is the Lost Cause narrative. You're trying to tell 616 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 2: me that they were they were valiant. So and it 617 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 2: was that moment twenty fifteen, during the Black Lives Matter thing, 618 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: that the Lost Cause came back into its full glory 619 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 2: because but nobody knew it was called that, you know 620 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: what I mean, It was called all Lives Matter, it 621 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 2: was called you understand I'm saying, it was called something else. Right, 622 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 2: So this argument around like, well it's heritage not hey, 623 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 2: like you know what the rebel flag actually stands for, 624 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: you know, and all these things is is we watched, 625 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: in our own mind, in our own life, a rewriting 626 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 2: of something that we already understood, which brings me again 627 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: to the part that I said in the first one, 628 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: which it was like, I almost have empathy for you 629 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: because the fortitude it takes to reconstruct reality for yourself 630 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: is scary. It's scary to have to reconstruct reality, right, So, 631 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 2: whether it was actual Confederates or people in our modern times, 632 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: having to really realize that everything they've learned about their 633 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 2: history is bullshit and that you have to really be 634 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 2: willing to let that go and walk away from what 635 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: you've known to be reality is very difficult, you know, 636 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 2: because now when you're looking at these monuments to Robert E. 637 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 2: Lee Jefferson Davis, your connection to it is now just 638 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 2: a nostalgia that actually is separate from the actual Confederates. 639 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: It's just, you know, he was born in two thousand 640 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 2: and two. You've just been this. You see the statue, 641 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, when you were going to 642 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 2: get ice cream after kindergarten. It's like, I'm now just 643 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 2: used to this because it's my own history. I have 644 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 2: this emotional connection to this. And then somebody tells you like, 645 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: well that's a statue, you to a piece of shit 646 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 2: and it needs to go down, And you're like well, 647 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 2: but it's like, but now it's my history, you know, 648 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: and what do I do with the fact that it's 649 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: my history? Right? Anyway, I'll close it with this, when finally, 650 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: when the monuments to Robert E. Lee were torn down 651 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 2: in New Orleans, the Mayor of New Orleans when he 652 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 2: finally removed the monument in twenty seventeen, he says, this 653 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 2: monuments Confederate like Confederate monuments, purposefully celebrate a fictional, sanitized Confederacy, 654 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 2: ignoring the death, ignoring the sale, enslavement, and ignoring the 655 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 2: terror that it actually stood for. It is self evident 656 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: that these men did not fight for the United States 657 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 2: of America. They fought against it. They may have been warriors, 658 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: but in this cause they were not patriots. Yeah, they 659 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 2: were warriors for long yep. And that's the lost cause 660 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 2: we were actually right. We were just out gunned and 661 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 2: out manned. 662 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 663 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 2: And when you put it in books, you know, let 664 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 2: this be a lesson to us, all, you. 665 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: Know, don't let your enemies write the books. 666 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 2: Don't let them write the books. I do think it's 667 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 2: an interesting thing to like, like when you hear in 668 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 2: a time where like with you know, disinformation and like 669 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 2: you know and AI and shit like how it kind 670 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 2: of feels like whack a mole, you know what I'm saying, 671 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 2: Like cause but you have but like in some sens like, 672 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 2: we have to stay vigilant. You have to shut the 673 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 2: shit down immediately, you know, because if it takes roots, 674 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: then one hundred and fifty years later, I'm still trying 675 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 2: to explain to somebody that, like, no, that's made up, 676 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 2: that's not you weren't patriots. What are you talking about? 677 00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is always cool. I love Uh. Yeah, 678 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: you got it right when you said it's like whack 679 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: a mole, right where. Yeah, Unfortunately, the only way to 680 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: actually win is to maintain vigilance until the last people 681 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: with a vested interest in changing the narrative die. Yeah, 682 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: and every generation. 683 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 2: Until the machine breaks. 684 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,479 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Not no, because we didn't, I mean, because 685 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: we ignored it for decades. Yeah, the government gave up, 686 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: and then we tried to pretend it would go away, 687 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: and it just got stronger. 688 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. You think to yourself again, like surely, the the 689 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 2: obviousness of just how absolutely absurd what they're saying you 690 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 2: you you think you don't have to say anything. You 691 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 2: think you just have to be like, well, that's stupid, 692 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 2: nobody's gonna believe that, and then people believe it, right, 693 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 2: and then and then you're where you are now. You 694 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, It feels so modern, That's what 695 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, is this conversation feels so current 696 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 2: to me, even in the sense that like we're essentially 697 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 2: wrestling with the same we're experiencing the same sort of 698 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 2: like storytelling and story shaping, because again, memory is about 699 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 2: the present, it's not about the past, right so like 700 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 2: we're experiencing that right now with our own political makeup 701 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 2: or what's happening all of Russia, Ukraine, you know, Israel, Gaza, 702 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 2: like America, like our politics, we're experiencing it right now, 703 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 2: Like like our memories are being fought over right now, 704 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 2: Like you're like some there, you're trying to capture the 705 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 2: story and shape it in a way that we have 706 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty two hundred, three hundred thousand years 707 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 2: of evidence that says you can't let the cement settle. 708 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like you you can't, you 709 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 2: can't let them win the story, you know, And in 710 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 2: a sense, it's like I'm not saying I have the 711 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 2: right story, you know what I'm saying Like, I'm not 712 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 2: saying that. I'm just saying, but you don't get to 713 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 2: you don't get to craft it. Yeah. 714 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can't stop lighting their ship on 715 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: fire until there's nothing left to light on fire. And unfortunately, 716 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, as I'll do credit to Sherman, we needed 717 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 1: more people starting fires down there. 718 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 2: Yes, we needed more people starting Yeah. So that's the 719 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 2: Lost Cause and hopefully we never got to talk about 720 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 2: this nigga again. 721 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think this is the end of him finally. 722 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, So if you haven't caught up, if you 723 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 2: haven't checked out the Robert E. Lee episodes, they are 724 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 2: or Bobby the episodes, they are on the Bastard Feed. 725 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 2: These Robbie Robbie, these are obviously on the Politics Feed. 726 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 2: And we're gonna look to do more crossovers like this 727 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 2: as time goes on. 728 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, absolutely all right, everybody, I love you me too. 729 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't buy damn. 730 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 2: Okay future prop here. I just want to make sure 731 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,919 Speaker 2: this tie in is clear. I promised that I would 732 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 2: connect the Lost Cause to January sixth, and here's the 733 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 2: tie and I was trying to say, it's still the 734 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 2: spirit that there's an aggression from the government that's robbing 735 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 2: you of your way of life. I mean, that's the 736 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 2: organizing point around the mega phenomenon, is there was a 737 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 2: way that America is supposed to be and these liberal 738 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 2: progressive you know, you can substitute that phrase for Northerners 739 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 2: are pushing their way of life on us right, and 740 00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 2: we have to fight back. Now. If and when the 741 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 2: insurrectionist type moment in culture finally gets squashed, it's it's 742 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 2: almost like you're watching a new lost cause narrative be birth. 743 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 2: It's like Trump Trump didn't get his position because the 744 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 2: whole you know, government was against him. You know what 745 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 2: I'm saying, the the the deep state was against him. 746 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 2: You know, he would have won. If it wasn't for this, 747 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 2: he would have Our movement would have been better if 748 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 2: it if we were just out numbered, we had the 749 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 2: courts against us. It's it's still just a lost cause 750 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 2: type situation. And if and when the insurrectionist type moment 751 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 2: in culture finally gets squashed, it's it's almost like you're 752 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 2: watching a new lost cause narrative be birth. It's like 753 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 2: Trump Trump didn't get his position because the whole you know, 754 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 2: government was against him. You know what I'm saying, The 755 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 2: deep state was against him. You know, he would have won. 756 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 2: If it wasn't for this, he would have Our movement 757 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 2: would have been better. We were just outnumbered, We had 758 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 2: the courts against us. It's still just a lost cause 759 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 2: type situation. And if we're not careful, we're just watching 760 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 2: January sixth insurrection become a new loss cause, a new 761 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 2: way that this loss cause idea or concept comes into 762 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 2: a new life. And the same way that, like the 763 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 2: Civil Rights movement was a new iteration of the Civil 764 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 2: War argument, which is they're taking our way of life, 765 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 2: They're forcing their way of life on us. So I'm 766 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 2: just saying, like, like what I was trying to say 767 00:46:44,840 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 2: ultimately is like same. They's all right, all right, now, 768 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 2: don't you hit stop on this pod. You better listen 769 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 2: to these credits. I need you to finish this thing 770 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 2: so I can get the download numbers. Okay, so don't 771 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 2: stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded in Eastlows, 772 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 2: boil Heights by your Boy Propaganda. Tap in with me 773 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 2: at prop hip hop dot com. If you're in the 774 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 2: Coldbrew Coffee we got terraform coldbrew. You can go there 775 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 2: dot com and use promo code hood get twenty percent 776 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 2: off get yourself some coffee. This was mixed, edited, and 777 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 2: mastered by your boy Matt Alsowski Killing the Beast Softly. 778 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 2: Check out his website Matdowsowski dot com. I'm a speller 779 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 2: for you because I know M A T. T O 780 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:49,240 Speaker 2: S O W s ki dot com Matthowsowski dot com. 781 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 2: He got more music and stuff like that on there, 782 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 2: so gonna check out The heat. The Politics is a 783 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 2: member of cool Zone Media, Executive produced by Sophie Lichterman, 784 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 2: part of the iHeart Media podcast network. Your theme music 785 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 2: and scoring is also by the one and nobly mattow Sowski. 786 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 2: Still killing the beats softly, So listen, don't let nobody 787 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 2: lie to you. If you understand urban living, you understand politics. 788 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 2: These people is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all 789 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 2: next week.