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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Nol. They called me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: with our returning the fourth member of our fourth member

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Speaker 1: of our podcast enterprise. Uh, folks, give a hand for

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul Decant, who has just just come back

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Speaker 1: to Atlanta from some adventures abroad which I don't know

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Speaker 1: how much we want to disclose on air. Yeah, he's saying, stop, stop,

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Speaker 1: stop talking. Okay, let's make it sorry throat kind of

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Speaker 1: finger across the throat, hint, take it most of portantly.

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Speaker 1: You are you, You are here that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Hold everything, hold the phone,

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Speaker 1: stop the presses. This is a part two episode, which

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Speaker 1: means that if you want to get the whole bang

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Speaker 1: for your creepy buck today, you'll want to listen to

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Speaker 1: Famous Tombs Part one and then Famous Tums Part one

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Speaker 1: has some pretty pretty crazy insights. While you're there, you

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Speaker 1: may also want to listen to our Jengis Khan episode

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Speaker 1: which inspired all of this. I have one quick Paul,

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Speaker 1: One quick clarification we want to make when we did

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Speaker 1: our we did our episode on the Ants cult in

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Speaker 1: the Czech Republic. Uh, we had some currumb case. Yes,

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Speaker 1: This survived and into adulthood. They've got Facebook's the whole line. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's thank you man. That's important to know. Oh

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Speaker 1: or point that out without further ado. Assuming you've heard

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Speaker 1: Famous Tombs, Part one, here's where it gets crazy. We're

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Speaker 1: starting right with getting crazy at the top. Well, this

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Speaker 1: Let's let's break it down. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: So Wolfgang other day as Mozart, you've you've probably heard

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Speaker 1: back to Last Tunes Part two. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart remains

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Speaker 1: here's one strange thing. We may have lost Mozart's grave,

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Speaker 1: the real thing here. It's called the Salzburg Mozarteum. That's

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe worked bone carved, bone stones, things like that. Yeah.

424
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: Maybe a bed bath and beyond card? No, not good enough.

425
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how much money until the hun or

426
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: Jenkis Conn or somebody would have on a bed bath

427
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: and beyond card. I don't think they paid for things, Yeah,

428
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: that's true. I think they would just ride the horse

429
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: in and go reeving. Yeah, but who knows. Maybe if

430
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: they had a coupon that would change it. Maybe if

431
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: they say, well off, it's virtually free. Anyway, that's how

432
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: we fixed the world and stop everybody from hurting each

433
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: other and being so mad, build bed bath and beyond

434
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: and just give everybody gift cards. Oh man, I don't

435
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: you know. I think I knock that mail or that

436
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: they send out just because it is so ubiquitous, Like

437
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: do you get them at your houses? Of course? Yeah,

438
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: I am a human being and you have a bed, bath,

439
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: and beyond. I've always wondered what the beyond. I guess

440
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: beyond just all the non bed and bath related items kitchen. Yeah, well,

441
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: it really depends on the intonation you use when you

442
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: hit beyond. I think I've mentioned this before, but this

443
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: is particularly appropriate for this episode. In my hometown, there's

444
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: a store called Caskets and More. Remember that, Okay, I see,

445
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: and it's again it's the intonation. Yeah, but I think

446
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: with Caskets and More it's it's a little more said ster.

447
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I love it though, And the fact that Attila the

448
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Hunt's grave site is lost to history until somebody diverts

449
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: a river just to see what what voracity there may

450
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: be to this story. Uh, that still hasn't stopped cities, villages,

451
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: and towns in the area from advertising themselves as the

452
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: genuine location of the grave of Attila the Hunt. So

453
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: if you'd like to suspend your disbelief just a bit,

454
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: feel free to travel to Hungary and then snap a

455
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: selfie in front of any variety of here lies until

456
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: of the hunt signs. You know what I mean, I'm there, Yeah,

457
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: just pointed you know what, They just pointed a river.

458
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: It's so it's so morbid. But if you think about it,

459
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: someone has died in every river on this planet. I

460
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: hope I didn't just ruin rivers for everyone. Maybe not

461
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: every creek, but every river. The water keeps flowing, So

462
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: here we go. That one doesn't bother me as much.

463
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Lakes still though, lakes did um Chef Scott Benjamin about

464
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: this before we go to break We did an episode

465
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: years and years back about how many cars have been

466
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: found in lakes when they dry up just even fifteen

467
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: ft from the shoreline. It's disturbing. It's way more than

468
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: you think, and just in the US, far far more.

469
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: Al Right, Well, let's go to the lake everybody, No,

470
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, UM, I don't want to go on a tangent.

471
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: But Lakeland near up near where I grew up, there's

472
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 1: some there's some creepiness of that lake because as man

473
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: made it's all, you know, it was flooded and everything.

474
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: There are no natural lakes in Georgia, and they everyone

475
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: talks about how there's supposedly a church down there and everything,

476
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: and they're all these legends about what's at the bottom

477
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: of this really murky, gross looking lake. That is wonderful

478
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: and I love Lakelyan near and go visit if you

479
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: get a chance. But it just has this creepy quality

480
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: to it. But I believe they're some sand to that

481
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: matt because there were structures there that were flooded. That's

482
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: a true story, right, yeah, but some of it is

483
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: a little far fetched in my eyes. Even if you

484
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: look back at the historical record. Some of the things

485
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: that come out are pure legend. But they're fun. I

486
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: don't you know what. Let's have a creepy conversation about

487
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: this off air while we're playing a word from our sponsor. Okay, No,

488
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: that's fine, Yeah, yeah, I just agree to disagree. I'm

489
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. A right. No, I think you're

490
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: both wrong. Sorry, you had to see that. We have

491
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: to remember that we're friends. We can't let these off

492
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: air conversations tear our friendship apart. You're right. Let me

493
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: apply a little bit more of this mats on Death's

494
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: door right now. And he's still here for you. By you,

495
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean you the listeners. He reminds me in many

496
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: ways of Sir Francis Drake. Oh me too, I remind myself. Okay, Uh, Well,

497
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: who's other than minding everyone vaguely of of our pal

498
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. Who is Sir Francis Drake. Well, he was

499
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: this fifty six year old guy that apparently unfortunately died.

500
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: He was born in fifteen forty. He lived until January fifteen,

501
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: nineties six. Uh, and he was an English explorer who

502
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: was involved in things such as you might know of piracy,

503
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: illicit slave trading. Uh. He also became the second person

504
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: ever to circumnavigate the globe. But his name. When you

505
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: hear Sir Francis Drake, you a lot of times, if

506
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: you're not a big history buff, you just imagine in

507
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: my head this explorer. Um this I'm speaking personally here

508
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: because his name has been mentioned in so many video

509
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: games and all these things. But a lot of times

510
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: you don't get the context, the full context at least

511
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: of what somebody like this their life and what they did. Yeah,

512
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: he did quite a bit. He sailed around the globe

513
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: when that was a big deal. Still is right, it

514
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: still is. Uh. He was acquainted with the Halls of Power.

515
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: Is definitely not a not a great person, so don't

516
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: fall for a lot of the romanticization you may read

517
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: about Drake. His circumnavigation was also a pirate mission technically,

518
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: well in a way. It almost kind of had to

519
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: be in this weird, messed up way, But I guess

520
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: that's idea. That's the idea of I need to get supplies.

521
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: However I can get supplies. Oh and this is good

522
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: foreshadowing of what happens to him, because his expedition was

523
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: officially a journey for knowledge of voyage of Discovery, but

524
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: he also had a secret agreement with Queen Elizabeth that

525
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: along the way on this quote unquote voyage of dis jovery,

526
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: he would attack and assault and terrorized the Spanish any

527
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: way that he could, particularly if it meant disrupting their

528
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: shipping roots. So as soon as they got into this

529
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: Pacific uh, he almost made it more of a priority

530
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: to plunder Spanish ships and rob ports than he did

531
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: to actually go all the way around the world, and

532
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: he he stole a lot of stuff. He eventually returned

533
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: home from that trip as the world's most wealthy pirate.

534
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: He got knighted too, for his efforts right by the queen,

535
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: he got knighted as well, UH, and the Spanish king

536
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: put a massive price on his head from because from

537
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: fifteen seventy until the end of his life, this guy

538
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: is out to get the Spanish, and King Philip the

539
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: Second UH offered a bounty of twenty gets for his head.

540
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: That was the equivalent of millions of dollars today when

541
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: he came back from his worldwide um piracy escapades. You're right, Matt,

542
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: he was knighted. And then in eight he participated the

543
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: English defeat of the Spanish Armada, and he went on

544
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: to become a tremendously influential figure in his even in

545
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: his own day. Uh. And then he died, and that

546
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: is where our story begins in fifteen at least with

547
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: this one, we do know how he died. He died

548
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: of dysentery. So no one's like secretly poisoned, no one's

549
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: like exploding blood face. He went out Oregon trail style.

550
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: He went out Oregon trail style. He did, he really did.

551
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: And he never got to Oregon, No, not without trying.

552
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: So what did they do? Because the Spanish were on

553
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: their backs. They hated this guy so much and for

554
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: very good reason that they were actively searching for his

555
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: corpse because they wanted to like do stuff to it

556
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: and then get the bounty from King Philip show bring him,

557
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: like bring him the head, but let's do some stuff

558
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: to it first. Sure. So Drake had a burial at

559
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: sea UM, as was custom for a sailor type such

560
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: as himself. Um. He was buried in a leadlined coffin

561
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: near the bay of a Portabello um a few miles

562
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: off the coastline. It is supposed that his final resting

563
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: place is near the wrecks of two British ships, the

564
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: Elizabeth and the delight Um, which scuttled in Portobello Bay. Yeah. Yeah,

565
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: he was planning on this in advance. He said, if

566
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: I die, when I die, sink the ships sink me,

567
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: to bury me in a coffin in the dark depths

568
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: of the ocean, because I do not want those Spaniards

569
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: to get their hands on me. He was also buried

570
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: in full armor for his request, because he really did

571
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: like his His plan was that if these chips were

572
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: purposely stuttled, if he were buried at sea in a

573
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: leadline coffin to keep his remains from somehow rising right

574
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: as they decay and separate, that he would be able

575
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: to prevent the Spanish from finding and desecrating his remains.

576
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: And that was his genuine fear. Like have you ever

577
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: anyone listening, have you ever been at a point in

578
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: your life where you think there are people who are

579
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: interested enough in your death that they would desecrate your body.

580
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. That seems strange. Yeah, that's that's out there.

581
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: But in his case, yeah, people would definitely want to

582
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: desecrate his body. Like those those people are living very

583
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: high stakes lives. Yeah, definitely. Um, well, yeah, I guess

584
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: the whole point. I mean, I didn't even realize that

585
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: you could seal. I guess. Yeah, it's obvious you could

586
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: seal of a coffin at that point in time in history. Um,

587
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: a leadlined coffin. Actually get that much of a seal

588
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: where water isn't going to seep in, where um the

589
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: way it is going to keep him at the bottom.

590
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: That's um, that's intense. Francis Drake, excuse me, sir, that's right.

591
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: That man sailed around the world robbing people blind. I

592
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: can't forget about that. Fast forward to two thousand eleven.

593
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: There's a guy who owns sports teams. He's also a

594
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: pirate enthusiast. He reads a book about Francis Drake and

595
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: he says, you know what, I'm going to find this

596
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: fleet and this guy's body. This pirate enthusiast and sports

597
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: team owners named Pat Crochet like Jim Crochy, and he

598
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: claimed that he and a team of his treasure hunters

599
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: had discovered two ships off the coast of Panama, and

600
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: the ships that they found they believed to be the

601
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: Elizabeth and the Delight, which would mentioned earlier Noll Elizabeth

602
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: being a tons ship and Delight being a fifty tons ship.

603
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: And as you know, most speculation places Drake's body and

604
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: conference somewhere in that area, and they focused on Portobello

605
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: Bay after they hired a guy named Trevor McHenry two

606
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: pinpoint areas where the ships might have gone down, but

607
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: very quickly they ran into a gray area. When it

608
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: comes to the protection of British shipwrecks, when it comes

609
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: to anything from the Age of Empire, that's right under

610
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: the Protection of Military Remains Act of nineteen six. British

611
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: Naval vessels anywhere in the world are protected from exploitation. However,

612
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: there's one little caveat here. The the Act only covers

613
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: certain ships which sunk since nineteen fourteen, and only British

614
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: citizens can be prosecuted under it, which is a bit

615
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: of a problem right there. So there's a lot of

616
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: history and ships that sailed before nineteen fourteen. And if

617
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: it's only British citizens, anybody else who's outside coming in

618
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: doesn't have to even worry about this. Yeah, So this

619
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: is where they get to an interesting thing. I'm there's

620
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: an organization called the Joint Nautical Archaeology Policy Committee sexy

621
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: name right, he's still my heart, uh, and they have

622
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: been pressing the United Kingdom's government for years to ratify

623
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: some international agreements on the protection of what they would

624
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: call underwater cultural heritage, you know what I mean. So

625
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: the guy in charge of the Joint Nautical Archaeology Policy Committee,

626
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: it's got him Robert Yorke. I don't know if he's

627
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: a relation to Tom, but he told the BBC if

628
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: these are Drake ships, they are presumably sovereign and immune.

629
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: So why isn't the British government telling these people to

630
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: go away? If we ratified the Convention, we can make

631
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: sure they were puperly conserved and looked after. But Panama

632
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: did ratify the convention, so it's government might act to

633
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: protect the wrecks of the ship. And what they mean

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Speaker 1: when they say protect direct is not not to allow

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Speaker 1: someone to attempt an excavation or to a to attempt

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Speaker 1: an analysis of this site just because they want to.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have to have government approval, which can

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Speaker 1: be really really difficult, as we saw in our previous

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Speaker 1: episode exploring the lives and burials of Nefertid and Cleopatra.

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Speaker 1: People in the modern day, very very difficult time trying

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Speaker 1: to get government approval for any ancient site. And it

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Speaker 1: makes sense. You don't want everybody to be able to

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Speaker 1: just go somewhere and start digging, right. And as of

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Speaker 1: this recording, it's weird because this was reported in two

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Speaker 1: thousand eleven and we tried, but we couldn't find much

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Speaker 1: new information. So as of this recording, it appears Drake's

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Speaker 1: body has yet to surface and his secrets, whatever they

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Speaker 1: may be, remain safe in his watery grave. We just

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Speaker 1: need somebody to go rogue and just go down there

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Speaker 1: and find it. Against all the government's wishes. Just go

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Speaker 1: and do it. Nicolas Cage, Yes, we're we're invoking you

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Speaker 1: and or who else is famous for playing like Frogman

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Speaker 1: and the Navy Seals and stuff. Oh, we need um

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Speaker 1: the body Ventura, that's who we need. Yeah, we need

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Speaker 1: Jesse to go down there, and maybe Jason Statham can

656
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Speaker 1: come the rock. We should just assemble a crack team

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Speaker 1: of action um stars, just the expendables. Go find Sir

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Speaker 1: Francis Drake. Please. I would watch it. It would be

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Speaker 1: a different direction from then. I would definitely watch it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's where the story of Drake's body ends

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Speaker 1: for now. But so far we have just been looking

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Speaker 1: at the graves of famous dudes. There is another mysterious

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Speaker 1: lost grave here in the United States in uh New England. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's here's here's the broad Strokes. Mary Dyer I was

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Speaker 1: born Mary Barrett Um in sixteen eleven. She was an

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Speaker 1: English teacher and a Colonial American Puritan who became a

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Speaker 1: Quaker and who was hanged in the Boston, Massachusetts Bay

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Speaker 1: Colony for repeatedly defying a Puritan law the banned Quakers

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Speaker 1: from the colony. Um. She is one of the four

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Speaker 1: executed Quakers known as the Boston and Martyrs. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a true story. It might not be familiar to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people because she may not be famous in

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Speaker 1: the current celebrity since you know, she's not an Instagram, right,

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Speaker 1: But Mary Dyer was a tremendously important person in the

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Speaker 1: world of religious freedom during her lifetime. Her sin was

676
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Speaker 1: converting from Puritanism to Quakerism, primarily because of these doctrinal differences.

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Speaker 1: Quakers believed that people could interface directly with God or

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Speaker 1: here directly from God without needing um and a middle

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Speaker 1: a middle layer, an intermediary like a clergyman or something.

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Speaker 1: It's funny in twenty nineteen, that doesn't seem like that

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Speaker 1: big of a deal or that big of a difference,

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Speaker 1: But my goodness, that is an entire paradigm shift for

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Speaker 1: the power structure. Yeah, right, dangerous for dangerous for her

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Speaker 1: and this, yeah, this was a huge idea. It threatened

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Speaker 1: the authority of the church leaders and they they were

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Speaker 1: so threatened of this that they had already banned Quakers

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Speaker 1: from living in Massachusetts. Dire went into exile and Rhode Island,

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Speaker 1: but then she returned to Boston to support two friends

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Speaker 1: who were imprisoned for their beliefs. All three were sentenced

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Speaker 1: to death, but then at the last moment they said, no,

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Speaker 1: you're just banished. Get out of town, don't return like

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the Witch, except Mary Dyer came back

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Speaker 1: again speaking out for religious freedom. So she eventually was

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Speaker 1: put to death. She was hanged. She was buried in

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Speaker 1: an unmarked plot in the sixt sixty and today we

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Speaker 1: still don't know where the grave is. Was she buried,

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Speaker 1: as some had said in Boston commons. Was her body

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Speaker 1: stolen and in turned on a family farm. Was it

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Speaker 1: put to the wind? No one knows. Nobody knows. And

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Speaker 1: then we have just one last thing. This is the

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Speaker 1: thing that I don't know about, you guys. It surprised

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Speaker 1: me when I learned about it. Steve Jobs is buried

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Speaker 1: in an unmarked grave. His family and he specifically requested,

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Speaker 1: now we can't worship him. Now you still can look

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Speaker 1: at my thing. Just yeah, just we all worship him.

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Speaker 1: We worship him constantly, and we look at our phones

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Speaker 1: all day long. And these are these laptops in front

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Speaker 1: of us, or are our watches? It's the worry was

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Speaker 1: that people would go to his grave and either maybe

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Speaker 1: desecrate it or just try to leave their own intrusive tributes.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, this isn't this is in Silicon Valley.

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Speaker 1: So many people feel that they have discovered the exact location,

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Speaker 1: and they will swear it's confirmed it's in a cemetery.

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Speaker 1: Do you think if they did give him a grave

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Speaker 1: it would have been made entirely of glass. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's like like the Apple store. It would have looked

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Speaker 1: like an Apple store. Oh, I mean maybe in a way.

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Speaker 1: Then that's that's on brand. I guess alright, p Steve

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00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: jobs and that guy certainly was an innovator. But if

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Speaker 1: you have you read any of some of his quotes,

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00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: terrible person seemed like a real, real terrible person, real

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Speaker 1: Meani falsely used handicap license that like car tags too,

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Speaker 1: so we could park in handicap spaces. Um, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to provide a counterpoint somewhere in here. Kids, he doesn't

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00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: acknowledge Steve Waugh kick puppies experience, right? Was Wosniac? Okay?

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00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: How was he the nicer? Yeah? Everybody's weird in their

727
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: own way, right. I guess we'll do a show on

728
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Speaker 1: Apple in the future. Tell us your Steve Jobs secrets.

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00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: You know what else? You know what else? Everyone is

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Speaker 1: in their own way, man, Special, that's right, Special. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna bring up some Mr Rogers. Yeah, now that's

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Speaker 1: a serious R. I p Steve Jobs. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: like my iPhone, but I could take him or leave it.

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Speaker 1: Mr Rogers, that guy was a national treasure. Unfortunately, um

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Speaker 1: fortunately we know Mr Rogers the location of his resting

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Speaker 1: place For the rest of these and again we've just

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Speaker 1: scratched the surface here. The question remains, will we ever

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Speaker 1: find any of these graves? You know? In some cases yeah,

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00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: in other cases absolutely not, because the people have been

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00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: scattered into the wind, the remains have been made into buttons,

741
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: their remains have been stolen by secret societies. That is

742
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: true again checkout episode one. But we have to end

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Speaker 1: on some questions. Uh, you know we asked these earlier.

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Speaker 1: What benefits do these searches have for modern human human civilization?

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00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: Is this a waste of money? Should we focus on

746
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: feeding the people who are starving to death? Now? Are

747
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: loaded questions? I know, I know, or because we can

748
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: spend it the other way? Or um, are we investing

749
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Speaker 1: in the future by learning more about the past. Those

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00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: are very I think they're both very strong arguments. Sure,

751
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: I asked this question we did the Jengas con episode.

752
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: I it feels to me very much like a waste

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00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: of time, like who cares? But then you pointed out

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00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: very correctly, Ben, that it does. There are artifacts that

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00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: could teach us things about the past that are there

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00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: to be discovered potentially. Um. I was more hung up

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00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: on the idea of having to know, having to have

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Speaker 1: the answers and understand, you know, be in control in

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00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: some way. But I see both sides. I think you

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00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: guys are forgetting about all the gold. There's a lot

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00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: of gold and gets silver buried under these rivers and

762
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: next to the ships. We got to find that gold.

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00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: Maybe the heart of the ocean is down there. Maybe. Well,

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Speaker 1: don't don't lose hope, though, because as for the odds

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Speaker 1: of finding these long forgotten resting places and these corpses

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Speaker 1: that have disappeared, uh, we can end on a somewhat

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00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: less bleak note. We do find these things. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe I've forgot to mention this last episode, we recently

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Speaker 1: discovered another famous royal body, King Richard the Third, himself

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Speaker 1: the Hunchback of Shakespearean fame. His body was lost to

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Speaker 1: antiquity until two thousand twelve when somebody found it underneath

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Speaker 1: the parking lot. It's that's not a joke, that's not kidding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's real. That's real. He also didn't really have a hunchback. Um.

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Speaker 1: This kind of thing has occurred a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily with a king over someone of this statue,

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Speaker 1: but an interesting unmarked grave that was found underneath a

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Speaker 1: building somewhere where there's just been a building for a

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Speaker 1: couple of decades and it just happened to get cemented

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Speaker 1: over or in this you know whatever case bricked over

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Speaker 1: or would it over? Would it over? Paved over, bricked over?

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is built a top. Yeah, and this is

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Speaker 1: in a way an inspiring optimistic thing. We want to

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Speaker 1: hear your stories and we want to hear what your

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Speaker 1: take is. Is this worthwhile? Is this waste of time?

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Speaker 1: There is clearly more out there? What what are some

786
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Speaker 1: of the mysteries maybe in your neck at the Global

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Speaker 1: Woods or if you were a treasure hunter, an adventurer,

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Speaker 1: an archaeologist, what would be your number one quest? What

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Speaker 1: a little while. So I'm gonna go do that this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Are we do for another voicemail episode? Those are probably?

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I think we should knock one out. I like it.

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Speaker 1: just release it over the course of the year. Gotta

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