Speaker 1: What's up guys. Just a reminder before we start this episode.
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Speaker 1: Along with our friends at Corona and our friends at
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Speaker 3: Welcome to episode number four twenty four of the Marine
Speaker 3: Layer Podcast. Who welcome on Avery Shenyeve from the Gate
Speaker 3: fourteen podcast to preview the Mariners Blue Jays series this weekend.
Speaker 3: We'll also rehash some trauma from this past postseason while
Speaker 3: and I will also react to the Mariners sweeping the
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Angels.
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Speaker 4: Rolling and we Welcome you to this episode of the
Speaker 4: Marine Layer podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network,
Speaker 4: recording here on Thursday evening, July second lyle, I do
Speaker 4: really love playing the.
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Angels when in doubt. If you ever need
Speaker 3: to fix, all you need to do is play the Angels.
Speaker 1: The Angels are the ultimate slumpbuster. They really are. If
Speaker 1: a team's in a slump, yeah, just go play the Angels.
Speaker 3: I mean that you made a great comparison on your
Speaker 3: reaction today, just a plus comparison.
Speaker 2: Enlighten the people.
Speaker 3: So you compare them to the four to twenty thirteen Mariners.
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, how have I never thought of
Speaker 3: this before? I mean, that's exactly it's it's aging superstar
Speaker 3: and then zero development in the minor leagues and a
Speaker 3: team that is perpetually winning seventy three eighty wins.
Speaker 1: That was the first time you'd ever thought of that.
Speaker 1: That's what I've thought about the Angels forever. Now it
Speaker 1: is literally the twenty four to twenty thirteen Mariners.
Speaker 3: Because I haven't seen the light.
Speaker 1: I mean, just a team like the Mariners were for
Speaker 1: that decade. The Angels no direction, no farm system, like,
Speaker 1: no sense of urgency at the top. They spend poorly,
Speaker 1: they don't develop well, they draft. I mean, look, Tyler
Speaker 1: Bremner might end up being good, but the fact they
Speaker 1: actually passed on Kate Anderson for another college pitcher. I mean,
Speaker 1: and you wonder why Perryman Nation finally got fired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't know how anybody could be
Speaker 1: a one sixty twur, a true one sixty tower and
Speaker 1: watch every game of the Los Angeles Angels. I mean,
Speaker 1: if there's Angels fans listening to this, I really am sorry,
Speaker 1: but I know there's probably not, because I don't even
Speaker 1: think Angels fans exist at this point.
Speaker 3: Well, we know one.
Speaker 2: Was Swilly from John Boy.
Speaker 3: Oh no, well no, I meant one personally, maybe not publicly,
Speaker 3: but okay, then maybe two.
Speaker 1: Oh we had we had one friend from ASU who
Speaker 1: was an Angels fan. I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: Never there was that one game in twenty seventeen, early
Speaker 3: in the year the Mariners bleue to the Angels, wasn't
Speaker 3: it Rott was Fernana Rodney on the MOUNTDA.
Speaker 2: In this thing? Yeah? Oh oh he blew it.
Speaker 3: And Albert Poolhols and Mike Trout did the arrow.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, sorry, that wasn't twenty seventeen. I think that
Speaker 1: was twenty fifteen. Or oh no, that was twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: It was twenty fourteen that that happened.
Speaker 3: Okay, so then I'm thinking of it and maybe an
Speaker 3: Edwin Diaz outing that he blew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that they did blow a big lead in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. I think it was a nine one, nine
Speaker 1: to three in Anaheim and the ninth and they blew it.
Speaker 3: I remember running down the hall of our dorm too,
Speaker 3: said said persons with Roominy, and he's like, I can't
Speaker 3: literally can't believe what just happened. That's like the vivid
Speaker 3: memory of me interacting with an Angels fan in my
Speaker 3: entire life Like that, that tells you the state. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Angels franchise. Not much has changed since.
Speaker 1: No, well that and then again we met Swelly from
Speaker 1: John Boy in spring training this year because she was
Speaker 1: at Mariner's camp for a day and she's a big
Speaker 1: Angels fan.
Speaker 2: But you don't find many of them, man, you just don't.
Speaker 3: And it definitely helps Mariner's pitchers to face this Angel's lineup.
Speaker 3: Like list off some of the the outings for Mariner's
Speaker 3: pitchers against the Angels this year. The Mariner's starting pitching
Speaker 3: dominated in this three game series against the Angels. George
Speaker 3: Kirby struck out fourteen Angels twice last year. It's a
Speaker 3: lineup really without that much of a plan and without
Speaker 3: that much depth behind it. I mean, they have Nolan
Speaker 3: shanawall bitten at batting in the middle of the lineup.
Speaker 3: That dude has no juice whatsoever. So it just makes
Speaker 3: Bryce Miller's job a lot easier when he faces a
Speaker 3: lineup like this. He needs to be careful with like
Speaker 3: two guys, and he can just you can just go attack.
Speaker 3: And that's literally what Bryce Miller did all night. Like
Speaker 3: Bryce Miller's mindset works perfectly with facing this Angel's lineup.
Speaker 3: It just throws as many strikes as humanly possible and
Speaker 3: you know they're never gonna touch it.
Speaker 1: Who are the two Angels to be careful with? Obviously Netto,
Speaker 1: are you counting.
Speaker 3: Troul Maybe three? Then I was gonna say, in this
Speaker 3: current lineup that they rolled out here on Thursday evening,
Speaker 3: it would have been Solaire Adele and Zach Neto.
Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, look, Joe Adele is an incredibly nice dude.
Speaker 1: We've gotten to talk to him a bit and shout
Speaker 1: out to him, but just objectively by the numbers, this year,
Speaker 1: he's not hitting very well. So I don't even know
Speaker 1: if you really have to be that careful with him
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, he's got a six seventy eight ops.
Speaker 3: We did it, almost hit forty homers last year.
Speaker 2: Well, last year.
Speaker 1: He was top ten in the league at homers, but
Speaker 1: this year it's been a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jorge Silaire is not really lighting the world
Speaker 3: on fire either. I'm just saying, like those guys, if
Speaker 3: you throw him a middle middle fastball might park one
Speaker 3: into the seats. And in a game like tonight, that
Speaker 3: was the only way the Mariners, the only way the
Speaker 3: Mariners are gonna lose, But the only way Bryce Miller
Speaker 3: was going to give up runs because he wasn't given
Speaker 3: up that many base runners. Sure, so, I mean maybe
Speaker 3: in that sense.
Speaker 2: I mean these Mariners arms. I mean, you're right.
Speaker 1: Bryce Miller goes seven shut out here in the finale
Speaker 1: on Thursday, Brian wu goes nearly seven innings, giving up
Speaker 1: two earned runs. On Tuesday, Yes six and third, giving
Speaker 1: up two earned runs and then Monday with Kirby, I
Speaker 1: mean he went seven innings. Yeah, he was dominant Kirby
Speaker 1: on on Monday. Yeah went or sorry, eight innings, not
Speaker 1: seven eight innings to earned runs, seven punchouts. I mean
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Angels people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much, Los Angeles Angels.
Speaker 1: But by the way, why in the world was there
Speaker 1: an off day on Wednesday? And I know your answer
Speaker 1: is gonna be oh, because there was a World Cup game.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the US. The game was at one o'clock.
Speaker 1: It wasn't all that crowded down there. Why was that
Speaker 1: game off?
Speaker 3: There needs to be a certain amount of time I
Speaker 3: believe between between the game at Lumen or Seattle Stadium
Speaker 3: and then the game at T Mobile Park. I think
Speaker 3: it's I'm gonna say it needs to be six hours
Speaker 3: between kickoff times.
Speaker 1: But that can't be right because the Seahawks back in
Speaker 1: October had their game end and the Mariner's playoff game
Speaker 1: starts an hour later.
Speaker 3: But they were in the same place.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Remember the crazy Sunday. It was game two of the
Speaker 1: Alds against the Tigers, the first google game the Mariners won.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks lost one of their only three games of
Speaker 1: the year that year to the Bucks late and then
Speaker 1: the matters started about an hour later.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I believe that's the case, because Okay, I
Speaker 3: think I have an answer for this now, because before
Speaker 3: the season started, MLB New Seattle was going to host
Speaker 3: a Round of thirty two game on Wednesday, but you
Speaker 3: didn't know a time.
Speaker 2: I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: It could have been because we were the two slots
Speaker 3: one in five on that same Yeah, so they played it.
Speaker 3: If they ended up playing a night game at like
Speaker 3: five o'clock, then that would have been different than they
Speaker 3: couldn't have done both.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me say this too. I know this is
Speaker 1: a baseball podcast. Monday down by the stadium is going
Speaker 1: to be so sick I cannot wait.
Speaker 3: Should we just sleep at Oxdenal Hall? So we'll be
Speaker 3: there Sunday evening. Yeah, and so for our live event
Speaker 3: come by, by the way, we'll have giveaways. Shout out
Speaker 3: to Corona in the Hall for making that happen. It
Speaker 3: should be fun. We'll be watching the game and we'll
Speaker 3: have a whole bunch of giveaways and then you can
Speaker 3: watch us take the podcast upstairs afterwards. It'll be a blast,
Speaker 3: so please come on by. Maybe we should just stay.
Speaker 1: Overnight, honestly, I mean they have bathrooms there. You bring
Speaker 1: your toothbrush to brush your teeth. They got those long
Speaker 1: couches upstairs. Get a blanket and sleep on the couch
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Then the hall has like literally the best breakfast.
Speaker 2: So they're easy. Yeah, pretty easy.
Speaker 1: Right For those of you that are planning to go
Speaker 1: down to the stadium on Monday, I mean, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be an absolute circus down there. But TJ and I
Speaker 1: are definitely planning to be down there, so you may
Speaker 1: see us. If you see us, please come find us
Speaker 1: or come say what's up, because.
Speaker 3: We have like a wild amount of people like come
Speaker 3: up to us, like even during the like out before
Speaker 3: these matches, I mean even even on on uh Wednesday,
Speaker 3: Wednesday Wednesday, and then for the last US game too.
Speaker 3: But again, like it's it's a lot of Seattle people,
Speaker 3: so it makes sense, it does. I mean, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be so much fun. It I'm loving the it's a
Speaker 3: Monday night football game in Seattle. Buckle up. It's like
Speaker 3: it's the full Seahawks energy. Something batshit crazy is gonna
Speaker 3: happen primetime game in Seattle on a Monday night. I
Speaker 3: mean something, something's just gonna go off the Rails. Drew
Speaker 3: Lock's gonna lead a comeback against the best team in
Speaker 3: the league exactly.
Speaker 1: Again, I know we're a baseball podcast, but Monday is
Speaker 1: gonna be sick. Cannot wait to be down by the
Speaker 1: ballpark and or just down by the stadiums, I should say, and.
Speaker 2: Also free flow ball. Again, FIFA is a fucking corrupt
Speaker 2: ass league.
Speaker 3: They can't even appeal. They can't even appeal his red card. No,
Speaker 3: this is the wildest thing ever.
Speaker 1: Can't even appeal it. Sorry, not league. FIFA is a
Speaker 1: corrupt ass organization. Shock this.
Speaker 3: This is like one of two of the biggest events
Speaker 3: in the world at the Olympics, and they can't review
Speaker 3: an ejection that was now know they can't review They
Speaker 3: can't review a suspension that was absolutely that was absolutely
Speaker 3: unintentional too, and it's because it's not written in FIFA's
Speaker 3: bylaws like that. That just sounds crazy. This is I
Speaker 3: guess this is what happens when you have a tournament
Speaker 3: that happens every four years and there's no players union
Speaker 3: to like advocate for something like this, Like MLB plays
Speaker 3: every single year for the players have a union, they're
Speaker 3: they're always playing in the same league and they make
Speaker 3: sure they're looked after fully. But the all these players
Speaker 3: for all these different countries, I mean no, there's no
Speaker 3: one looking after them. It's just FIFA. Yeah, you want FIFA,
Speaker 3: you want to put your your trust in FIFA to
Speaker 3: do the right thing. It's never gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the World Cup would have been here sooner,
Speaker 1: except you know, they took a bunch of money from
Speaker 1: the Sadi's to have in other places.
Speaker 2: So yeah, oh, you're.
Speaker 1: Telling me FIFA is not a good standing, blue collar
Speaker 1: group of people.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: No, no, nope, I hear there. Awards mean a lot
Speaker 3: these days too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how sad. I'm really looking forward to Monday, though.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 3: I still feel pretty good. I feel like the home
Speaker 3: field advantage is going to be incredible. I think it's
Speaker 3: a really good chance if it hasn't already been, Like,
Speaker 3: Monday is gonna showcase like how great of a sports
Speaker 3: town this is. We see it with the Mariners all
Speaker 3: the time, we see it with the Seahawks, the Sounders.
Speaker 3: It's it's gonna like light up like a rocket ship.
Speaker 3: If I'm a Mariner and I have any sort of
Speaker 3: interest in soccer, I am bummed that I'm gonna spend
Speaker 3: that that day. Like you know, they'll probably fly early,
Speaker 3: but I'll spend that day in Florida, three thousand miles away.
Speaker 2: Instead of going to the game. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I know it is gonna be, like it's a bad
Speaker 1: time for people out there that say Seattle's a dying
Speaker 1: city in a bad sports town. Yet not after the
Speaker 1: last time the World Cup game was here for the US,
Speaker 1: and certainly not after on Monday.
Speaker 3: We have a really good conversation coming up with Avery Schenye.
Speaker 3: But I did want to talk about Bryce Miller here
Speaker 3: for a second because he has just been on another level.
Speaker 3: I mean, he just keeps doing it. This is the
Speaker 3: Mariner's best starter right now, hands down, Like until he
Speaker 3: proves otherwise, this is the best starter in the Mariner's
Speaker 3: rotation in twenty twenty six. It's better than Wu, It's
Speaker 3: better than Gilbert's better than Kirby, Like I've seen enough.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, are sitting at one seven in early July.
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty definitive statement. I know he's
Speaker 1: made a few less starts than the other guys, but
Speaker 1: hell yeah, this is your best pitcher.
Speaker 2: And by the way, get him to Philly.
Speaker 3: They should, they should pull every string possible to get
Speaker 3: him to Philly. But I don't even you know, I
Speaker 3: think it would be really cool. I don't like he
Speaker 3: doesn't have to go to Philly. What I'm most excited
Speaker 3: about is how Bryce Miller is gonna be that much
Speaker 3: fresher than everyone else in August. In September, well, a
Speaker 3: reason the Mariner said, and the more we were at
Speaker 3: the ballpark talking to people, the more this seemed true,
Speaker 3: is that the reason the Mariners went away from the
Speaker 3: piggyback this past weekend was to get everyone more rest.
Speaker 3: I don't really feel like Bryce Miller needs more rest.
Speaker 3: He's gonna end up throwing what like one hundred and
Speaker 3: he's gonna throw one hundred and forty innings this season.
Speaker 3: He's gonna have a lot more I think a lot
Speaker 3: more runway to go at the end of the year.
Speaker 3: Some people might mention that he didn't throw that many
Speaker 3: innings last year, and that's fair. I guess we'll have
Speaker 3: to see. But I feel pretty confident in what we're
Speaker 3: going to see from Bryce Miller the rest of the season.
Speaker 3: He just looks as complete of a pitcher as you
Speaker 3: possibly can get. I mean, over his last four start
Speaker 3: style he struck out thirty three batters and watched none.
Speaker 3: He's the first pitcher in Mariner's history of four consecutive
Speaker 3: starts of seven strikeouts and zero walks. He's doing things
Speaker 3: Brian wu didn't even do last year for Logan Gilbert
Speaker 3: the year before. It's just outstanding.
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny, like you look at Bryce's Savant page,
Speaker 1: and even in twenty twenty four when he had his
Speaker 1: best season, there's a lot of underlying data with Bryce
Speaker 1: that often won't favor him, and that isn't the case
Speaker 1: at all this year. Right now, his Savant page looks
Speaker 1: like what Paul Skeins of the Savant page would look like,
Speaker 1: I guess, outside of the ground ball rate, because Bryce
Speaker 1: isn't a guy that gets a ton of ground balls.
Speaker 1: Everything else is just popping out at you like no other.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's striking batters out at a crazy raid.
Speaker 1: He's throwing hard, I mean, he's not getting hit hard.
Speaker 1: Everything And then you look at just pitch by pitch,
Speaker 1: and for a guy that just straight up attacks people
Speaker 1: and does so with just conviction, the results show it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's dominating with his four seam fastball and
Speaker 1: that splitter that he developed a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: has been deadly as ever.
Speaker 3: And the only reason he lost is no hitter today
Speaker 3: is because the Mariners by the fifth inning had maybe
Speaker 3: their worst defensive outfield out there in franchise history.
Speaker 2: Brandy Rose, Arena, Luke Rayley, Weston Wilson.
Speaker 3: Honestly one of the literally I couldn't believe what I
Speaker 3: was seeing out there.
Speaker 1: Well, dude, and he lost his perfect game because JP
Speaker 1: botched another throw, which, by the way, had Bryce Miller
Speaker 1: actually thrown a no hitter and only faced one batter
Speaker 1: over the minimum for the game, and the one batter
Speaker 1: extra was because of a JP Crawford e error. JP
Speaker 1: Crawford would have owed Bryce Miller multiple steak dinners, like
Speaker 1: multiple because that wasn't a play where he had to
Speaker 1: dive and get up and then he airmails it trying
Speaker 1: to rush the throw because he wants to beat the
Speaker 1: runner to first. Oh no, that was another routine play,
Speaker 1: right to JP Crawford who just sails a throw and
Speaker 1: loses Bryce Miller's perfect game.
Speaker 3: It's it's right out of the Hanley Ramirez Clayton Kershaw playbook.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it tells you all you need to know. When
Speaker 3: Andre Smunios besides the walks making me nervous in the
Speaker 3: ninth inning, there was that pop up in left center
Speaker 3: field and Rayley and Randy are converging on it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know the you know the TikTok trendlyle the saxophones
Speaker 3: getting louder. Mm hmm, Yeah, saxophones are getting loud as
Speaker 3: fuck when that ball was in the air. What a team.
Speaker 1: That was a tough defensive group to have out there.
Speaker 1: I will give credit. I will give Julio some credit.
Speaker 1: By the way, the defensive metrics aren't all the way
Speaker 1: back to where we'd usually see Julio's defensive metrics, but
Speaker 1: if you extrapolated over the last month or so, he
Speaker 1: is back to playing pretty Julio Rodriguez quality defense, which
Speaker 1: is pretty nice to see.
Speaker 3: And very much needed. Speaking of him, it's a bummer
Speaker 3: he's out that. That has been one of the unluckiest
Speaker 3: things I've seen. The ball just so happened to squarely
Speaker 3: hit him in the back of the noggin, and I
Speaker 3: guess he seemed dizzy enough where he had to come
Speaker 3: out of the game. And then two other Mariners batters
Speaker 3: got hit, which left them a little shaken up. It's funny.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear anyone on the Angel side talking about
Speaker 3: hit by pitches this time. I didn't hear Trout, didn't
Speaker 3: hear Ty Buttery. I didn't hear anyone online.
Speaker 1: Dude, Ty Butchery made his account private. I guess Mariners
Speaker 1: fans cooked him so hard from the last time, but
Speaker 1: now he got scared it, can't handle the heat and
Speaker 1: made his account private.
Speaker 2: Wow, buddy, it's like it's almost like it's almost like
Speaker 2: you're soft.
Speaker 3: It's funny how it always comes around to the fact
Speaker 3: it's really the other team who's instigating all this shit,
Speaker 3: and it's the Mariners. It's always the Astros and it's
Speaker 3: always the Angels, well every single time.
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes Naylor instigates things, but other than him, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't throw at guys. No, No, the Mariners never
Speaker 1: throw at guys. Do other people, Yes?
Speaker 3: But also has Naylor ever done anything dirty like he trolls,
Speaker 3: has he ever been like dirty?
Speaker 1: I don't know if people are trying to argue that
Speaker 1: throwing his sliding mitt was dirty.
Speaker 2: I was just like and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Come on, I didn't think that was that dirty.
Speaker 1: No again, it's it's a sliding mitt, and it's not
Speaker 1: like he chucked it hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like slipped out of his hands and it weighs
Speaker 3: like half an ounce.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. No, it's in terms of throwing
Speaker 1: at people. The Mariners almost never throw at people. It's
Speaker 1: the it's the other AOS teams, and then they try
Speaker 1: and play victim. Merwin ty Buttrey told all these Mariners
Speaker 1: fans that if you disagree with me, you don't know baseball,
Speaker 1: So sit down and shut up and like go learn ball.
Speaker 1: It's funny now that guy's account is.
Speaker 3: Private, doesn't want to have any more conversations anymore.
Speaker 1: Clearly, dude, he quote tweeted us at one point trying
Speaker 1: to cook us. And we weren't gonna go fifteen rounds
Speaker 1: with this dude because we're like, it's not worth our time.
Speaker 1: He's he's on an absolute like heater right now, and
Speaker 1: not in a good way, like a bad heater, and
Speaker 1: We're just like, we're just gonna ignore him, and then
Speaker 1: he locks his account like all right, man sick.
Speaker 3: I think it tells you everything you need to know
Speaker 3: about where the Mariners stand in this situation.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I would agree.
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Speaker 3: Great conversation with Avery Shanye. We got to do something
Speaker 3: we have been waiting for since last October. We got
Speaker 3: to debrief the postseason last year and you'll hear it
Speaker 3: at the beginning, but we get to ask the honest question,
Speaker 3: who had it worse.
Speaker 1: I think it's more in the middle of the interview.
Speaker 1: I think it was more in the middle of the
Speaker 1: conversation we did it. But it's in there.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It is in there.
Speaker 1: We hash out a lot, their perspective on it, our
Speaker 1: perspective on it, how they were feeling, how we were feeling,
Speaker 1: than how they were feeling after the World Series. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot in there. And by the way, for
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know the Gate fourteen podcast,
Speaker 1: which I'm guessing a lot of you do at this.
Speaker 3: Point, probably because Johnny's always tweeting at them.
Speaker 1: Dude, Johnny's a live wire. I mean, we talk about
Speaker 1: it with Avery a little bit in the episode. I
Speaker 1: do think us and them have some similarities. We're not
Speaker 1: carving copies. But the best way I can compare them is, again,
Speaker 1: they're not carbon copies, but they are sort of the
Speaker 1: Toronto version of us. They are the unapologetic voice of
Speaker 1: the fans in Toronto and Canada. But these guys Man
Speaker 1: is a team based podcast. I mean, we get into
Speaker 1: it with Avery. They're they're in commercials in Canada now
Speaker 1: and they're doing stuff with all these different players and
Speaker 1: they've got these great relationships with the team.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty.
Speaker 1: Wild what they've built and the engagement they get on
Speaker 1: all their episodes and posts. It's remarkable what those guys
Speaker 1: have done. And it's been cool to get to know
Speaker 1: him over the last couple of years, both from just
Speaker 1: content and being online and also getting to meet him in.
Speaker 2: Seattle last year. And yeah, it was a blast have
Speaker 2: Avery on. It was fun.
Speaker 3: We will keep you guys any longer. Let's get you
Speaker 3: to that interview with Avery.
Speaker 1: All right, we've got our friend Avery on with us.
Speaker 1: You guys probably know him better as one of the
Speaker 1: two hosts of the Gate fourteen podcast Toronto Blue Jays podcast. Avery,
Speaker 1: thanks for hopping on. I'll ask the same question everybody's
Speaker 1: probably thinking themselves in the American League right now, but man,
Speaker 1: how you feeling about your own team?
Speaker 5: I hate them? They suck. They suck right now. It's brutal. Yeah, man,
Speaker 5: coming off in awesome last year to be rewarded with
Speaker 5: some of the baseball we're watching right now is it's
Speaker 5: the hardships you deal with sometimes. And as we were
Speaker 5: going through the playoffs last years, like you gotta remember man,
Speaker 5: this for the Blue Jays. It doesn't happen every year,
Speaker 5: so you got to really embrace it and enjoy what
Speaker 5: they've been doing. And everyone seemed to have forgotten that,
Speaker 5: as you do when you're watching one hundred and sixty
Speaker 5: two games. And yeah, we're dealing with it not very
Speaker 5: well here in Toronto. It's been been tough to watch.
Speaker 3: But weren't the Blue Jays at this point last year?
Speaker 3: Also in I mean, they're not in last place right now,
Speaker 3: but they were in last place like a year ago, right,
Speaker 3: and still ended up winning ninety four games. How's it different?
Speaker 6: June changed. June changed everything last year.
Speaker 5: Then there was a big, big run in the middle
Speaker 5: of that, and yeah, I think it think it was
Speaker 5: at like the sixty game mark where things kind of change.
Speaker 5: This year, Like the five game losing streak they just
Speaker 5: went on was really just kicking the nuts.
Speaker 6: Like that was perfect time. You finally get back to
Speaker 6: five hundred.
Speaker 5: You can't do anything if you don't get back to
Speaker 5: five hundred first, right, Like, that's that's the starting point
Speaker 5: to see if we're gonna take this thing serious. So
Speaker 5: you get back to five hundred, you battle, and then
Speaker 5: you play the worst five baseball games you've ever seen,
Speaker 5: just some hilarious losses in the middle of that. So
Speaker 5: that was really tough, like just get back to five
Speaker 5: hundred and see what we can do. And we thought
Speaker 5: we had a sixteen game stretch here where it was
Speaker 5: kind of make or break a little you guys know,
Speaker 5: like it's not truly truly make or break, but you
Speaker 5: could on paper make up some ground against these guys
Speaker 5: and good start and then five game losing streak in
Speaker 5: the middle of it.
Speaker 2: That's not good, oh dude.
Speaker 1: So believe me, we know when you say that it's
Speaker 1: not make or break in June, but it feels make
Speaker 1: or break.
Speaker 2: The Mariners are currently going through.
Speaker 1: The softest, easiest part of their schedule here in June,
Speaker 1: and they're not taking advantage of it at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: They've gone up against the Orioles and the Tigers and
Speaker 1: the Angels and the Pirates, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, and they're just winning none of these series. So yeah,
Speaker 2: believe me, we get it.
Speaker 5: It doesn't get worse than that too, when you have
Speaker 5: some wins, Like when you look at the schedule at
Speaker 5: the start of the season, NFL fans are kind of
Speaker 5: doing that right now. Looking at the schedule seeing we're
Speaker 5: gonna put some wins and losses. Yeah, and then you
Speaker 5: get to the soft spot and then you actually don't
Speaker 5: win those games.
Speaker 6: Nothing worse, nothing worse.
Speaker 3: The last time a lot of Mariner fans saw the
Speaker 3: Blue Jays, it was in the ALCS, which we'll get
Speaker 3: to here in a little bit. But they saw an
Speaker 3: offense that was just crushing the ball, dominating Mariner's pitching,
Speaker 3: and they saw at least good enough Blue Jays pitching.
Speaker 3: So what is the big What is the difference between
Speaker 3: what we're watching or what you're watching with the Blue
Speaker 3: Jays this year as opposed to the last time a
Speaker 3: lot of our listeners watched the Toronto Blue Jays.
Speaker 6: You can't hit. They're just not hitting at all right now, which.
Speaker 3: Is just hard to believe, to be honest. Kids literally
Speaker 3: couldn't throw a ball past the bat of the Toronto
Speaker 3: Blue Jays last time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, so we're dealing with multiple springer injuries early, right, Like,
Speaker 5: that's a guy who's thirty six, thirty five, thirty six.
Speaker 5: You get some injuries from that guy and it's gonna
Speaker 5: be tough, like we dealt with it the year before,
Speaker 5: where he was sub one hundred wait runs creative plus
Speaker 5: we're doing the same thing right now where he's just
Speaker 5: struggling but getting a ton of at bats in the
Speaker 5: one hole and it's just kind of killing the team.
Speaker 5: And then Vlad is a below league average hitter right now,
Speaker 5: which is impossible to think about, and it's clearly just
Speaker 5: killing the team. He's been one of the worst hitters
Speaker 5: in baseball last month and a half. It's truly just
Speaker 5: those two guys. And there's a bunch of injuries. Like
Speaker 5: to Kirk, you had an injury where he was out
Speaker 5: it was the third series of the season and he
Speaker 5: got back. Was that last week or two weeks ago.
Speaker 5: So it's injuries piling up the stars not being stars.
Speaker 5: And honestly, the pitching has been kind of on par
Speaker 5: with last year as well. Bullpen's pretty good starters. We're
Speaker 5: going through a tough stretch right now where we let
Speaker 5: up a run in the first inning every single game
Speaker 5: and the pitching starting pitching has been brutal.
Speaker 6: Right now.
Speaker 5: I think that can get back on track and they
Speaker 5: can be middle of the pack to top end of
Speaker 5: the past, like top ten, maybe sit around ten to twelve,
Speaker 5: where it goes starters v ra I think they can
Speaker 5: settle in there, but not pitching great right now. And
Speaker 5: then you just got Louis Viarlin locking down the back
Speaker 5: and it's honestly just hitting.
Speaker 6: They can't hit, teez.
Speaker 2: What's that like?
Speaker 1: I mean, stars aren't performing injuries, piling up inconsistent starters.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, man, this is news to me.
Speaker 3: I mean sounds sounds sounds pretty similar to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe for slightly different reasoning. It might honestly might
Speaker 3: just be an ALCS hungover hangover.
Speaker 2: I think could be. I was I was thinking that too.
Speaker 5: I was trying to go back after they lost in
Speaker 5: the World Series.
Speaker 6: Like, what do the losers traditionally do?
Speaker 5: I try to do a list of last twenty years.
Speaker 5: That's what the losers would do. It's usually just really
Speaker 5: good teams that are just gonna make the playoffs and
Speaker 5: be good the next year. Besides the d Backs, right,
Speaker 5: they struggled after a lot of these teams are making
Speaker 5: the playoffs. There wasn't too many teams that struggled too much.
Speaker 5: But my worry was we had some of these young guys.
Speaker 5: You just throw so many innings you lose a whole
Speaker 5: month of the offseason. It's like, how are you going
Speaker 5: to bounce back? And then we have these young guys
Speaker 5: in the bullpen who are I think we have four
Speaker 5: of the top ten leaders in reliever appearances right now.
Speaker 5: Like they are throwing all the time. Because the pitching's
Speaker 5: kind of good, you can't score enough runs, so you're
Speaker 5: using your decent guys in leverage almost all the time
Speaker 5: to try and win these games. Can't You can't run
Speaker 5: the bullpen differently. They just almost need better pitchers in
Speaker 5: the pen of your lower guys. But I mean, every
Speaker 5: team has guys who suck at the bottom of their
Speaker 5: bullpen and you just can't use them in leverage all
Speaker 5: the time. So it's been it's been frustrating all around.
Speaker 5: I don't know how to change things, but it's just
Speaker 5: been frustrating time.
Speaker 3: A lot of people with the Mariners suspect that they
Speaker 3: are not playing well under the weight of the expectations
Speaker 3: of this season. Do you feel like the Blue Jays
Speaker 3: are experiencing the same thing.
Speaker 6: I'd never heard that before, but it makes a little
Speaker 6: bit a sense.
Speaker 5: For this Jase team last year there was zero expectations.
Speaker 5: It was seventy six and a half wins, right, that
Speaker 5: was the preseason total. I was saying, like, that was
Speaker 5: a ridiculous number. I was screaming that you have to
Speaker 5: bet the over on. That wasn't gambling advice, but I
Speaker 5: was like, that's the wrong number. We saw them seventy
Speaker 5: four wins the year before with the worst bullpen in baseball.
Speaker 5: They're going to figure it out to at least do
Speaker 5: better than that, no expectation. But this year you come
Speaker 5: in with like crazy high expectations, as you guys said.
Speaker 5: And that hasn't been brought up in the Toronto media yet,
Speaker 5: and I don't think. I don't think anyone's going to
Speaker 5: bring it up, but it could be making a little
Speaker 5: bit sense. That's such a cop out. They're baseball players.
Speaker 5: Everyone knows that they're expected to win games.
Speaker 2: In my mind, yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 1: I think at least for Seattle, they never really had
Speaker 1: expectations like this, at least this group, so it hasn't
Speaker 1: been hammered home every day in terms of the expectations.
Speaker 1: But the vibe may have been different in Blue Jays
Speaker 1: camp in spring training, but at least in Mariners camp
Speaker 1: there was a lot of just outward talk from everybody
Speaker 1: about we know what the expectations are, like like, we
Speaker 1: know we have like a shot to win it all
Speaker 1: this year, to go to the World Series, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So like there was a lot of talk about it preseason,
Speaker 1: and now here on June the thirtieth, when the three
Speaker 1: of us are sitting here recording this, they're sitting right
Speaker 1: at five hundred. So there has been, at least in
Speaker 1: our neck of the woods, some talk about is it
Speaker 1: an expectations thing?
Speaker 5: Would you rather have no expectations or have a good
Speaker 5: team that has actually, like, you guys have every good
Speaker 5: prospect in the world. That's going to be the thing
Speaker 5: for the next eight years, hopefully for the Mariners.
Speaker 3: For sure from here on out, I don't want any
Speaker 3: more expectations because every single time they have expectations, they
Speaker 3: go below them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you want into the real nitty gritty
Speaker 1: and the weeds, Like twenty fifteen, they were on the
Speaker 1: cover of Sports Illustrated being like, Oh, this team's finally
Speaker 1: gonna win the Al West and make a World Series run.
Speaker 1: They missed the playoffs that year. Right now they're under
Speaker 1: five hundred. I think twenty three they had big expectations,
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs, like they're bad with expectations when they
Speaker 1: get put on the spotlight, like, oh, it's bad.
Speaker 3: They put out a preseason video where it ended with
Speaker 3: someone writing on a whiteboard world series to underscore it said,
Speaker 3: it said win it all, two underscore, Yeah, win it all,
Speaker 3: two underscores. The video was pinned on the Mariners profile,
Speaker 3: I think until about mid June, until it had enough
Speaker 3: comments underneath it that they unbind the video. And uh,
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, maybe maybe we don't, Maybe we
Speaker 3: don't do that anymore.
Speaker 6: It's it's tough.
Speaker 5: You just keep winning and then the uh, the pressure
Speaker 5: of the expectations go away if you just constantly right right, yeah,
Speaker 5: and yeah, just the one year off.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: I always feel like, because we're all talking about like
Speaker 1: what's wrong with our own team these days here at
Speaker 1: the end of June, I feel like when you're not
Speaker 1: as close to it as we all are with our
Speaker 1: own teams, you some like it's easier for us. For example,
Speaker 1: the look at the Blue Jays and say, oh, they're
Speaker 1: gonna turn this whole thing around, like Vladiee'll start to
Speaker 1: hit and like you'll get some guys back off the il,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna make a run in the second half.
Speaker 1: Even though when you guys, when you and Johnny are
Speaker 1: in it every day, you probably feel like, oh, no way,
Speaker 1: it's probably the same thing you back at us. You're
Speaker 1: probably thinking to yourself, Oh, like Juli all have his
Speaker 1: hot second half like usual, and Cal can't be this
Speaker 1: bad all year, and you guys will figure it out.
Speaker 1: But we sit here saying, well, here's X, Y and
Speaker 1: Z a million problems they have.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, they're never gonna figure this out.
Speaker 1: I feel like when you're farther away from the situation,
Speaker 1: it's almost easier to have positive perspective, absolutely, like you're
Speaker 1: not watching them blow up all the time, you're not
Speaker 1: watching all the awful at bats, and you can look
Speaker 1: at the stats for what they are, not having your
Speaker 1: preconceived notions of watching the games.
Speaker 5: Oh, these stats don't match up with with the eye test. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I totally agree. I'm I'm just surprised the Mariner's record,
Speaker 5: to be honest, Like, I'll see your guys postgame Instagram
Speaker 5: videos like, oh they lost again, and we see that
Speaker 5: the record, and I'm like, wow, it's just kind of
Speaker 5: around five hundred, Like that's kind of a really big
Speaker 5: surprise for for what the Mariners have been doing. And again,
Speaker 5: like those expectations he said.
Speaker 3: And it's it surprises us too. Here's another thing that
Speaker 3: surprises me when I look at the Blue Jays and
Speaker 3: I've kind of thought this in the back of my head,
Speaker 3: but he's had some just you know, unbelievable seasons and
Speaker 3: there's a reason why he got paid. But I'm looking
Speaker 3: at this season from Vladdie and I've always thought, like
Speaker 3: in the back of my mind that he's he's not
Speaker 3: always consistent. Do you guys think he's consistent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd say he's consistent.
Speaker 5: This is the first Okay, this is as bad as
Speaker 5: it's ever been, like totally far and away, not even
Speaker 5: close to this bat of a stretch any other time
Speaker 5: in his career.
Speaker 3: He's had seasons where he hasn't been like an elite hitter,
Speaker 3: though he's been like a solid hitter, but he's always
Speaker 3: had the problem where he hits the ball on the
Speaker 3: ground too much and he doesn't have the athleticism to
Speaker 3: make up for, you know, not crushing the ball in
Speaker 3: the air all over the place. So there's been those
Speaker 3: years where he's only like a ten percent above league
Speaker 3: average hitter. So I've thought, like the Blue Jays rely
Speaker 3: on him to be a little bit more than that,
Speaker 3: and even if he were to do that, it would
Speaker 3: be a little bit frustrating. But yeah, of course he's
Speaker 3: not done this yet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty twenty three was that one to ten I
Speaker 5: think he was. He did that and that was total
Speaker 5: disappointment from everyone. Then he followed it up with I
Speaker 5: think it was one sixty four and twenty four, and
Speaker 5: then there's one thirty I think last year. So you
Speaker 5: know what he can be is just how can you
Speaker 5: not get power from your first baseman. It's like that's
Speaker 5: people like to say. It's a big thing on Jay's
Speaker 5: Twitter right now, is oh Vlattie wasn't really this big
Speaker 5: power hitter coming up. It's like you guys are not
Speaker 5: remembering correctly, like clearly not remembering him coming up as
Speaker 5: a prospect correctly because he was like Vauda is his best,
Speaker 5: like almost eighty grade power guy, like that's what it
Speaker 5: was before and not the can't come out of the
Speaker 5: blue and say now, yeah, he wasn't this power hitter.
Speaker 5: He was a massive power, and then he's hit so
Speaker 5: many home runs in twenty twenty. It's it's that was
Speaker 5: not the right remembering of him as a prospect.
Speaker 6: So it's been tough.
Speaker 5: Like you look at the leader boards, flat swing and
Speaker 5: ideal launch angle, an attack angle. He's probably one of
Speaker 5: the worst in baseball at it, and it's just such
Speaker 5: a clear thing. He doesn't work with the hitting coaches
Speaker 5: that much. He's always had his own guys, and after
Speaker 5: last year, I don't I don't know where those eight
Speaker 5: home runs in a month came from because the swing
Speaker 5: didn't change. It looks the exact same, and now we
Speaker 5: have this who was a great professional hitter.
Speaker 6: Latti was right like he was.
Speaker 5: The ability to take walks was another thing that helped
Speaker 5: him be an elite hitter. And we the chase rate's
Speaker 5: gone up like crazy. The whole team chase rate is high.
Speaker 5: They chased a lot last year, but they made good
Speaker 5: out of his own contact and they had some out
Speaker 5: of zone slug like some of those guys just do
Speaker 5: that on the Blue Jays. But Vladdy's chasing like crazy
Speaker 5: and we we've lost him.
Speaker 6: So I think it's fine.
Speaker 5: There's still even when he was really good, like there
Speaker 5: was some changes to be made to optimize his swing.
Speaker 5: So I hope we get to a point where he's
Speaker 5: ready to dig in and really change things to be
Speaker 5: this powerherder that he can be. It's he's too strong
Speaker 5: to not be hitting home runs. Four home runs at
Speaker 5: this point is just not acceptable, and we all believe
Speaker 5: in him, but it's it's frustrating to watch.
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Speaker 2: Funny that people just forget about the power.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was gonna say five years ago, I know,
Speaker 1: five years can be a long time, but the man
Speaker 1: almost won a triple crown if not for show.
Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, exactly. So I'm he's he was a great hitter.
Speaker 5: He can hit it the other way. He's not like
Speaker 5: crazy pull all the time.
Speaker 6: But yeah, he's one.
Speaker 5: Of the better power prospects ever. So I just what
Speaker 5: are we doing here?
Speaker 2: I think we've I think we've held off long enough.
Speaker 1: Are we ready to each Are you ready to rehash
Speaker 1: last October and have like a therapy session mid podcast here?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think we just got to rip the band aid off.
Speaker 3: Who had it worse?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think you guys, I'm gonna be real. I don't
Speaker 5: feel that way like I got. I mean, they just
Speaker 5: lost in the World Series. It was it was fine
Speaker 5: no matter what to me, Like I was finds the
Speaker 5: wrong term. It was gonna hurt no matter what whenever
Speaker 5: you lost at any point.
Speaker 1: But when you get when you get that close and
Speaker 1: you've got one out in the ninth inning in Toronto,
Speaker 1: Hoffman on the Mount, Like I can't speak to it
Speaker 1: because I didn't live in your guys' shoes, but like
Speaker 1: it had to be going through your head at that
Speaker 1: point right, Like you've got Miguel Rojas up with one
Speaker 1: out and nobody or yeah, one out nobody on and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, are we gonna see this happen?
Speaker 5: So I'm extremely pessimistic in those situations all the time.
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 5: I have thought about the worst for nine innings of
Speaker 5: that game while I'm there, like it, we bet on
Speaker 5: the Dodgers sixth inning. I put two hundred bucks live
Speaker 5: on the Dodgers. As the ja's were up, I was like,
Speaker 5: all right, either I'm gonna watch World Series Like it
Speaker 5: never mattered about money. It's like, this is too good
Speaker 5: of an opportunity to not hedge this, and at least
Speaker 5: if they lose in incredible fashion, I mean, at least
Speaker 5: I can make some money off of this. Right, So,
Speaker 5: I mean I watched that and it's just an absolute nightmares.
Speaker 5: But it's the same thing as the Springer Homer, right,
Speaker 5: Like it's obviously different innings, and but it like that
Speaker 5: game seven of the Alcyes, it was just dominated until
Speaker 5: it got into that middle part of the game right
Speaker 5: like that I was sitting there and it's like they're
Speaker 5: gonna get killed here, Like this isn't a chance they
Speaker 5: score immediately and like it's over, We're done. So I mean,
Speaker 5: I got to watch World Series games as I've never
Speaker 5: done in my life, So I'll take that. But yeah,
Speaker 5: just I think constantly being dunked on is the worst
Speaker 5: part of that, right, It's worse than Actually.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, we don't ever hear the end of it
Speaker 1: from our world. We don't ever hear the end of
Speaker 1: game seven. Sometimes it's because of us, Sometimes it's because
Speaker 1: of people on Twitter, et cetera. Sometimes it's from other
Speaker 1: people in the media. But oh yeah, like it would
Speaker 1: be see you guys probably feel this way now having
Speaker 1: it in hindsight, right that, Oh I wish the Dodgers
Speaker 1: had just won seven to three and it was a
Speaker 1: normal Dodgers winning Game seven.
Speaker 2: That all right? People just forget about it.
Speaker 1: It's like when you lose like that, like both our teams,
Speaker 1: did you never hear the end of it?
Speaker 6: No, no, you don't.
Speaker 5: And I remember so after game seven we did we
Speaker 5: did a podcast, well we did one where incoherent like
Speaker 5: we we went out.
Speaker 2: You were out with the players, weren't you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we ended up seeing some of the players we
Speaker 5: went to like their their post game thing. And that
Speaker 5: was free drinks and we took advantage of that. So
Speaker 5: then we recorded. It was four thirty in the morning,
Speaker 5: and it was, I mean, just the worst podcasting anyone's
Speaker 5: ever done, but like everyone was still pumped, like that's
Speaker 5: how everyone felt at that moment. And then the next
Speaker 5: day when we woke up, we actually did one where
Speaker 5: we could we could talk about it and be like,
Speaker 5: you know what, get into the World Series is awesome.
Speaker 5: We're gonna get killed right like it's it's not gonna
Speaker 5: be close. And then yeah, it turned in to be
Speaker 5: as close as you could pretty much possibly get to
Speaker 5: lose that I I'm thankful for it, but yeah, you're right,
Speaker 5: it's it's brutal, terrible.
Speaker 3: It sounds literally exactly what Lala and I said. It's
Speaker 3: like the Mariners need to get these last eight outs
Speaker 3: to make it to the World Series and then we're good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 1: I joked, like, throw your Mickey Mouse parade before the
Speaker 1: World Series even starts, like set it up, coordinate with
Speaker 1: the city, do the floats everything, people get to celebrate,
Speaker 1: and then you'll take your elder the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: But we didn't get to do it.
Speaker 5: So they the Dodgers played some awful baseball and still
Speaker 5: gotta still gotta ring out of it.
Speaker 6: Sweet.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: I thought you guys were actually a way better matchup
Speaker 1: for the Dodgers than us, because like, you know this
Speaker 1: way better than we do. But just sitting here talking
Speaker 1: about it, I mean, the Blue Jays just put everything
Speaker 1: in play, like they couldn't strike out during that postseason.
Speaker 1: The Mariners are so strikeout pro and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: these Dodgers starters are gonna tear them up if they
Speaker 1: play each other in the World Series, where you guys like,
Speaker 1: it was a decent matchup.
Speaker 6: And it's kind of the same thing that they're dealing
Speaker 6: with right now.
Speaker 5: To go back to this year is they're still putting
Speaker 5: the ball in play, but it's the weakest contact possible,
Speaker 5: so they're just getting out. It's the it's the downside
Speaker 5: of the contact approach. You're not hitting the ball hard.
Speaker 5: It really doesn't matter that much.
Speaker 3: Sure, all right, Avery, could you I was curious for
Speaker 3: the reference of Mariners fans. Could you walk us through
Speaker 3: the emotions of that ALCS game by game?
Speaker 6: Oh, game by game? So the first one was I.
Speaker 5: Haven't thought back of that series long time is that
Speaker 5: I'll help you out.
Speaker 2: So game that was Bryce Taylor.
Speaker 1: Mariners won, and he really dealt in that game, Like
Speaker 1: I think Springer hit the leadoff homer against him, or
Speaker 1: somebody hit a first inning homer and.
Speaker 3: It was Springer and then and Bryce threw like what
Speaker 3: thirty five pitches in the first inning. Yeah, well the bullpen.
Speaker 2: Was toast and then he locked in the rest of
Speaker 2: the way. The Mariners won that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was annoying because he wasn't pitching well during
Speaker 5: that time, right, I mean he's.
Speaker 2: Been injured all year, so he had not had a
Speaker 2: good year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that was that was tough.
Speaker 5: I remember saying like this is this is the good
Speaker 5: guy to get first, like this should be a good
Speaker 5: spot for the J's And to lose that one was
Speaker 5: was really really tough. I The main thing I remember
Speaker 5: is how bad the Seattle games were. Like those the
Speaker 5: main thing in my mind is the cal Rawly homer
Speaker 5: off Brennan Little. That just it like that was a
Speaker 5: everyone on Twitter John Snader should be fired in the
Speaker 5: middle of an ALCS run, like they were just ready
Speaker 5: to get rid of the manager. That was the big one,
Speaker 5: and it was like the Geno Grand Slam as well,
Speaker 5: like that, that's what it's like.
Speaker 2: It's done.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: After after game five, this is over. So we got
Speaker 5: in the building for Game six. That was a great
Speaker 5: That was a great game for the Blue Jays, like
Speaker 5: the I remember the Barger home run as well.
Speaker 6: That was awesome.
Speaker 5: And then game seven we get there and it's Kirby.
Speaker 5: Kirby was game seven right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he cut.
Speaker 5: Them up for five like there they weren't touching, and
Speaker 5: then they started getting the bullpen going.
Speaker 6: It was wu after and.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that move.
Speaker 5: He is he's cruising right now, like he has them dead.
Speaker 5: It's okay Woo who was kind of injured to put
Speaker 5: him in and then he.
Speaker 1: Couldn't start all postseason because he was battling that injury.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like that changed a lot of things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I didn't like that move at all. I
Speaker 5: just like that was that was the wrong one. And
Speaker 5: then so we we kind of switched seats, so we
Speaker 5: were we were down the first base side for the
Speaker 5: start of the game, and then Josh Shire's wife had
Speaker 5: message us saying there's some seats by us, just come
Speaker 5: hang out. So we walked over to the other side,
Speaker 5: like the family section where everyone was and that was
Speaker 5: the inning, the George Springer homer inning where the single
Speaker 5: up the middle, bizarres in and then the George Springer homer.
Speaker 5: So that there's a clip that I post all the time.
Speaker 5: I posted it yesterday. The tweet was the Trump Blue
Speaker 5: did have finally won a game. But that was Johnny
Speaker 5: and I on the broadcast celebrating after the George Springer
Speaker 5: three run homer, and I think it was just no
Speaker 5: one could believe that it happened. It was the loudest
Speaker 5: thing I've ever heard that I just you couldn't even
Speaker 5: hear anything.
Speaker 6: It was so loud.
Speaker 5: And George Springer's dad was beside us, just freaking out.
Speaker 5: He's the coolest guy ever. I think it was just
Speaker 5: kind of unbelievable. And the thing that was really bad
Speaker 5: was the Mariner swings off Chris Bassett to come in
Speaker 5: in the eighth. Come in, yeah, because they scored in seventh,
Speaker 5: and then come in the eighth where they were gonna
Speaker 5: throw Bassett, but now they have the lead, and it
Speaker 5: was so quick that you couldn't.
Speaker 6: Get anyone else warm.
Speaker 5: So you're throwing Chris Bassett again in the eighth and
Speaker 5: whoever let Off hit a grounder to short on the
Speaker 5: first pitch, and I was like, that's the wrongs. That's
Speaker 5: where you lost it right there. I think was as
Speaker 5: soon as the first pitch ground out to short on
Speaker 5: Chris pass is like, that's that's not the approach we're
Speaker 5: going for here, if we're trying to get back in
Speaker 5: this game. And Hoffman to end it, I mean, it was.
Speaker 6: It was great. It was best game I've been to
Speaker 6: in a while.
Speaker 1: All Right, So let me say this still two things
Speaker 1: first off, and maybe we can get into this in
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: Well, one, we wrap this up.
Speaker 1: But the fact you guys are so tied in with
Speaker 1: people like that like John Schneider's wife and a bunch
Speaker 1: of the parents, like it's crazy. Like what you guys
Speaker 1: have built is absolutely nuts, and I do want to
Speaker 1: ask a couple things about it. But before we totally
Speaker 1: get off this ALCS thing, I do have to ask
Speaker 1: you guys, for the sake of Mariners fans, for the
Speaker 1: sake of us, because this is what's been talked about
Speaker 1: NonStop in our world. You were mentioning Blue Jays fans
Speaker 1: being pissed about what happened with the usage of Brenda
Speaker 1: Little in game five.
Speaker 2: Were you and Johnny just two on Cloud.
Speaker 1: Nine to talk about anything else other than Blue Jays
Speaker 1: are going to the World Series or did you guys
Speaker 1: talk about the Springer matchup at all? Because I'm not
Speaker 1: going to subject you to our whole thunderdome. We have
Speaker 1: been very clear the Mariners have had a serious manager
Speaker 1: problem for a long time, and nothing highlighted that more
Speaker 1: than what happened in Game seven. Because let me let
Speaker 1: me prevace it. The Blue Jays were a better team.
Speaker 1: They deserved every part of that ALCS. They deserve to
Speaker 1: go to the World Series. But my god, man, the
Speaker 1: fact that Muno's was not into face Springer is a
Speaker 1: just it's beyond a disaster.
Speaker 5: And if you talk about NonStop, it wasn't talked about
Speaker 5: pretty much at all.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: It was kind of like, oh, that was really dumb.
Speaker 5: But did you see that bomb that George Springer hit? Go, yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll take it right. It was Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 5: it was really touched upon by by anyone. But like,
Speaker 5: as you go back and look at is you know
Speaker 5: what I really wouldn't have liked Munno's in that situation.
Speaker 5: If I was a Blue Jays fan like that first
Speaker 5: two guys on, yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah, I mean, I don't blame you.
Speaker 1: If we had been in your spot, I don't know
Speaker 1: if we would have been talking about a whole ton
Speaker 1: of bullpen.
Speaker 2: Usage either, So I get it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just in our world, this is what's been
Speaker 1: talked about NonStop for every good reason. So I was
Speaker 1: just curious of Yeah, Blue Jay's fans had thought about
Speaker 1: it much. I don't blame you for not, but yeah,
Speaker 1: wild game.
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna break Marinis fans heart because
Speaker 1: George Springer and hearing the name is basically PTSD for
Speaker 1: people at this point. But he is like the nicest
Speaker 1: dude ever TJ and I've gotten to talk to him
Speaker 1: once or twice. He really is incredibly nice. It breaks
Speaker 1: my heart to say, but he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When we got to do the Bud the Budweiser commercial
Speaker 5: with him a couple of weeks ago, he was the
Speaker 5: nicest guy. That was the first time we had we
Speaker 5: had met him since the ALCS night. But yeah, he's great.
Speaker 5: I know the al West connection there and then huh,
Speaker 5: that home is not really great for you guys.
Speaker 6: But for sure one of the nicer guys that that
Speaker 6: we had.
Speaker 3: Met was that, well you mentioning you guys doing that commercial.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is one of the coolest things I've
Speaker 3: seen that in the new age of content, like a
Speaker 3: Toronto Blue Jays podcast gets to do a Budweiser commercial
Speaker 3: with George Springer say that sentence out loud.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 5: So we're lucky that Budweisers are presenting sponsor and there
Speaker 5: George Springer is the face of Budweiser zero, so it
Speaker 5: matched up perfectly.
Speaker 6: He didn't really know who we were.
Speaker 5: He might have known, but he was one of the
Speaker 5: guys we've pretty much never talked to, and he was
Speaker 5: he had an hour's worth of stuff to do, so
Speaker 5: we were just kinda together. We were making fun of
Speaker 5: how many attempts we had to do at this ten
Speaker 5: second commercial we were about to do. So that's that
Speaker 5: was our bonding, like, oh this it didn't suck, but
Speaker 5: he knew that hour was gonna suck, so we just
Speaker 5: kind of played entries like oh, not good enough for
Speaker 5: you guys, I and he liked that.
Speaker 6: That's how we that's how we got to him.
Speaker 2: That is really cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not a perfect comparison, but getting to know you
Speaker 1: and Johnny a little bit just through content and getting
Speaker 1: to meet you guys out in Seattle last year, there's
Speaker 1: some similarities. I always like to say between our podcasts,
Speaker 1: it's no carbon copy by any means, but just like,
Speaker 1: you guys are very much the podcast for Blue Jays fans,
Speaker 1: and we like to think of ourselves as the same
Speaker 1: way for Mariners fans. And even the dynamic on the
Speaker 1: pod I think has some similarities. Like I think you
Speaker 1: Avery and TJ kind of share the similar role where
Speaker 1: you have to be a little bit more of the
Speaker 1: like calm presence, the voice of reasons sometimes and then
Speaker 1: Johnny and I are usually the loose cannons at like
Speaker 1: because I go off about things all the time and
Speaker 1: I know Johnny certainly does. But like to see you
Speaker 1: guys do essentially that just love your own team, talk
Speaker 1: about it where now you're in a place where for
Speaker 1: those who don't know that are Mariners fans, I mean
Speaker 1: Avery just mentioned it. They did a commercial with George
Speaker 1: Springer you're really really tight with a lot of the
Speaker 1: players and coaches and the families. You're I mean, Vladdie
Speaker 1: was wearing your guys' shirt just a couple of weeks ago. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not normal to do what you guys have done.
Speaker 1: It's like a team based podcast and you guys are
Speaker 1: doing it.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Yeah, we never I never see it
Speaker 5: that way. It's like, oh, that's kind of cool. It's
Speaker 5: fun for right now, but yeah, lucky to be able
Speaker 5: to do it as a full time job now. But yes,
Speaker 5: the people who watch our show hate that stuff. People
Speaker 5: will say it's cool from the outside, but then they're like, ah,
Speaker 5: you guys are whenever we criticize in a way, and
Speaker 5: it's it's never enough criticism for people. Where so we
Speaker 5: would start it was it was bad at the start,
Speaker 5: right when we didn't know anyone and you can just
Speaker 5: talk and we didn't think anything would ever get back
Speaker 5: to us because we never thought it would be big.
Speaker 6: We were just kind of doing it for fun.
Speaker 5: When we started just saying all that guy should be
Speaker 5: Dfad sent to hell, like the We would say mean
Speaker 5: things that were outraged and that's how kind of we
Speaker 5: got the notoriety at the start. Then you start to
Speaker 5: meet the people. They're nice guys, and you're like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I don't I think you should be sent
Speaker 5: to hell because you're playing bad baseball. Like you're playing
Speaker 5: bad baseball, but you're a nice guy. So I'm gonna
Speaker 5: naturally as time comes, we're gonna be a little nicer
Speaker 5: to the people. And they hate that were nice to
Speaker 5: them now, like they like, they're just your buddies. You
Speaker 5: can't say anything mean to them anymore. Like just try
Speaker 5: and listen to it a little. That Twitter is the
Speaker 5: worst part of it. Like I don't I don't really
Speaker 5: use my Twitter to criticize people too much. Like it's
Speaker 5: I'd rather shout the good things and the bad things.
Speaker 5: That's just how I go about life. And then people say, oh,
Speaker 5: where's your tweets about this? It's like we have a
Speaker 5: long form show where we give our real thoughts over
Speaker 5: that amount of time. I like my Twitter to be
Speaker 5: curated how I want to feel, so I don't want
Speaker 5: to be spewing hate all the time in all my comments.
Speaker 5: Johnny has curated his Twitter to strictly spew hate, and
Speaker 5: he hates his comment section so it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 5: kind of doing that to yourself, right, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 5: trying to avoid that at all costs and just keep
Speaker 5: it to myself.
Speaker 6: If you don't have anything good to say, try and
Speaker 6: keep it to myself.
Speaker 3: I feel like you guys still do criticize like a
Speaker 3: decent amount, but it's like it's totally fair criticism that
Speaker 3: doesn't in at least from what we can see on
Speaker 3: the outside, likes seems to piss off any either players
Speaker 3: or executives within the Blue Jays. Like Mark Schapira loves
Speaker 3: you guys. He gives into the team.
Speaker 6: He gave me an engagement gift last week.
Speaker 2: It's crazy he did.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me tell you what before you continue that story,
Speaker 1: let me promise you this not only is Jerry Depoto
Speaker 1: never ever getting DJ and I an engagement gift. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's coming on the show anytime soon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's but he's like, you guys are baseball guys.
Speaker 1: So we played bait college baseball in America, which gave
Speaker 1: us like we were both bad right, Like Johnny two
Speaker 1: years of junior college, I was two years of a
Speaker 1: Division two left handed slot pitcher, like in Canada. That's
Speaker 1: we had a little bit of pulls the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: but we had played baseball at a high enough level
Speaker 1: where people cared at the start.
Speaker 6: Now they don't care that.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're ten years removed from playing college base
Speaker 5: No one cares. So Mark's like, you guys like baseball,
Speaker 5: you like the team, You're fair to us. It's like,
Speaker 5: I don't know why I wouldn't try and embrace you
Speaker 5: guys at least and like kind of help out. So
Speaker 5: he he's great, Like I don't.
Speaker 2: For him.
Speaker 5: In like ownership, I'd never seen the problems like it
Speaker 5: was always a Ross Atkins team building thing where that's
Speaker 5: where the problem lied for me. If anything was team building,
Speaker 5: and again it's yeah, you could move on after the
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four season. We all would have been okay
Speaker 5: with that, right, But it was never Yeah, we just
Speaker 5: don't attack as hard as people want. And I think
Speaker 5: the people on the team are fine with how we
Speaker 5: deal with them. So if we lose the access to
Speaker 5: the team, then I think people would still listen to us.
Speaker 5: But there's a lot less cool things you can do
Speaker 5: if you're constantly ripping on the team that has good ownership.
Speaker 5: For the most part, good upper management, like there's not
Speaker 5: too much to to deal with, and then we're in
Speaker 5: the middle of everyone wants John Schneider fired because the
Speaker 5: team's kind of bad, and that's like, who are we
Speaker 5: gonna get right now and who's gonna be different? They said, well,
Speaker 5: he puts George Spring in the leadoff spot every day,
Speaker 5: so he's he's a moron, he's an idiot. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: he probably should be moved at some point, but I
Speaker 5: don't think if he's moved and he stinks again, he
Speaker 5: stops playing. You just have a different manager and all
Speaker 5: the same surrounding parts for this part of the season.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's gonna gonna change too much.
Speaker 3: And i'd guess that John Schneider is another one of
Speaker 3: those guys who like understands like the role you guys
Speaker 3: have for for Blue Jays fans, because you guys are
Speaker 3: decently tight with John Schneider, so you can't, like, like,
Speaker 3: you can still talk about the situation fairly and he's
Speaker 3: not gonna hate.
Speaker 2: You for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no one thinks we talk about it fairly
Speaker 5: And that's fine, right, It's it's through Twitter, it's it's
Speaker 5: the part we deal with and I think you'll always
Speaker 5: try and be try and be numbers based in your
Speaker 5: evaluations of how things are going and managers. There's no
Speaker 5: stats on fan grafts and baseball spoting for managers, so
Speaker 5: everyone's just like, oh, this guy sucks, can't win with them,
Speaker 5: and there's nothing you can say differently that. There's no
Speaker 5: numbers based things that you can say for people to
Speaker 5: say that they're a good manager or not. So I'm
Speaker 5: just like, oh, he sucks, he's incompetent. They they can't
Speaker 5: can't have them all right, Like I don't. I don't
Speaker 5: think that's the case. But if they were playing bad,
Speaker 5: coaches take more of the blame first and then the players.
Speaker 5: So that's just the spot they're at. They're trying to
Speaker 5: figure it out.
Speaker 1: Sure, I will ask as we start to wrap this
Speaker 1: thing up. And again I do think it's all very
Speaker 1: very cool what you guys have built. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Blue Jays and and Canada people are very tuned in
Speaker 1: on their baseball. Like the views you guys get for
Speaker 1: being a team podcast is nuts, Like, yeah, people are locked.
Speaker 5: In, man, Yeah, it's good when they win and it's
Speaker 5: really bad when they lose, right, just like I'm talking
Speaker 5: talking to just me and Johnny when they lose pretty much, but.
Speaker 2: That is totally fair.
Speaker 1: But by the way, let me let me say this too.
Speaker 1: You were mentioning your guys time playing college baseball. Of
Speaker 1: all the things, Johnny tweets out and I think it's
Speaker 1: twitter hilarious. The McCook Community College street shots he'll tweet
Speaker 1: when somebody's playing bad of himself, I think are the
Speaker 1: most hilarious thing ever. I don't know why in the
Speaker 1: world is somebody who grew up in the suburbs of Seattle.
Speaker 1: I now know what McCook Community College is, but it's
Speaker 1: hilarious that I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one eighty five average his sophomore year and
Speaker 5: it would bat Juco in Nebraska.
Speaker 6: That's we always so.
Speaker 5: George Springer was playing poorly two years ago twenty four
Speaker 5: when they when they stunk. We did the june To
Speaker 5: line where Johnny stats against George Springers were pretty similar.
Speaker 6: Like that's bad.
Speaker 5: Like if you match up with bad Johnny june To stats,
Speaker 5: that's that's never good. So you never want to be
Speaker 5: towing the june To line. That's one eighty five there's.
Speaker 2: The Mendoza line, and then there's a June to line out.
Speaker 1: Where's the June to line? Yeah, last thing before we
Speaker 1: wrap this up. You got a serious prediction for the weekend.
Speaker 1: How it's gonna fly?
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: So last year didn't count as like a real Mariner
Speaker 5: series because it was too early in the year, right,
Speaker 5: like usually the T mobile trip is this part of
Speaker 5: the year, right like Canadaday, fourth of July. Everyone's down there,
Speaker 5: kids are off of school so they can travel, and
Speaker 5: then it's a nightmare, right Like, the trip's usually a
Speaker 5: nightmare for the Blue Jays. So that's why we were
Speaker 5: reluctant to go last year. It's like, you know what,
Speaker 5: they play terribly in Seattle, so I don't know if
Speaker 5: I want to travel cross country to go to it. Man,
Speaker 5: and it's all right, I mean all the Mariner starters
Speaker 5: are Riadies, right, so yeah, you don't get Patrick Corbyn,
Speaker 5: which is good for us.
Speaker 1: Actually it's bad because the Mariners are the worst team
Speaker 1: in baseball against lefties.
Speaker 2: No joke, really yeah, the worst. No.
Speaker 6: I mean, Patrick Corbyn will fix that. He could, he
Speaker 6: could have definitely fix that.
Speaker 1: See our counter is the Mariners will fix Patrick Corporan.
Speaker 1: This is what happens when you're tied into your team
Speaker 1: this tightly.
Speaker 5: Every Yeah, okay, I'm gonna go through. What are the
Speaker 5: Jay's matchups? They got ce Se Bieber, you savage, that's
Speaker 5: pretty good for us. Yeah, but the way the Jays
Speaker 5: are playing, I'm saying it's two one Mariners.
Speaker 6: Gotta go with that.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say two one Blue Jays. So that
Speaker 1: about checks out.
Speaker 3: What do you got to we're recording here on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: I would say it depends on the outcome of the
Speaker 3: Angels series, either tonight or Thursday. If they win one
Speaker 3: of those games, then the Blue Jays are winning two
Speaker 3: or Three's.
Speaker 6: Going on with a Wednesday off day? Is that real?
Speaker 3: World Cup?
Speaker 2: World Cup?
Speaker 3: Woke non stadium for right next to each other?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said, you say woke nonsense? Is that good?
Speaker 2: Although wait to Canada winner. They lose, they won, didn't
Speaker 2: they know they won? Yeah? Yeah, but you're you still
Speaker 2: don't care?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you can't be having off days in
Speaker 5: the middle of a series. That's just not real. That's
Speaker 5: not baseball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not It's a little while they almost
Speaker 1: played like a header against the Red Sox this year
Speaker 1: and had like a Friday off day because there was
Speaker 1: a World.
Speaker 2: Cup game and then they switched it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's only okay in the Cold Cities first
Speaker 5: week of the year.
Speaker 6: Other than that, not allowed in my books.
Speaker 1: Fair, totally fair dude, Avery, This has been really fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, we love what you guys do. We always
Speaker 1: love catching up with you guys when we get the
Speaker 1: chance to do so, So keep killing it and hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll see you guys down the road.
Speaker 6: Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks fellows, Well.
Speaker 1: That was really fun. Shout out to Avery for hopping
Speaker 1: on with us first time guests. We had Johnny on
Speaker 1: with us a couple of years ago. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: now we got to have Avery on again. We've gotten
Speaker 1: to know both of them a little bit, and it
Speaker 1: is certainly fun to see those guys do what they've
Speaker 1: done and see another team based podcast just absolutely thrive.
Speaker 1: I mean, they are really really resonating throughout all of
Speaker 1: Canada and just to see them do what they've done
Speaker 1: is awesome for them and it's been fun to watch
Speaker 1: from our end, and we got to rehab a lot
Speaker 1: of things and preview a series that well, Avery seems
Speaker 1: to think is all gonna go our way and we
Speaker 1: seem to think is all gonna go his way, which
Speaker 1: is about par for the course with our two podcasts.
Speaker 1: So who's gonna end up being the one that's right?
Speaker 1: I guess we'll wait till the end of the weekend
Speaker 1: to find out. But again, that was really fun. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Avery for coming on with us. And with that,
Speaker 1: that'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine
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Speaker 2: That's TJ. I'm Lyle as always be thank you guys
Speaker 2: for ti it again. We'll talk to you soon.