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Speaker 1: Star in fris jost And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's welcome into
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys here on this Monday morning as we are
Speaker 1: back another offseason addition, and we have got plenty to
Speaker 1: break down because there's excellence all over the place this morning.
Speaker 1: As always on this show, we have got guys ready
Speaker 1: and raring to go about quarterback news. The Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: is in the rearview mirror, and we've got some offseason
Speaker 1: dates in Hey, we heard from Will McClay. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: front office has now spoken over some of the draft process.
Speaker 1: We're gonna break all of that down for you at
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's alongside heck Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips, and our
Speaker 1: residents Super Bowl champion Isaiah stand back. It is the
Speaker 1: week of the Super Bowl, gentleman, and yeah, we've got
Speaker 1: a lot to get to around the NFL because well,
Speaker 1: there were some trades that happened that involved quarterbacks but
Speaker 1: I want to start talking tight end. How about that, gentleman,
Speaker 1: And because you know, for those of you who watched
Speaker 1: this show over the course of the year, you know
Speaker 1: that that Heckham and I are very engulfed in Texas
Speaker 1: high school football. So it's always been a dream of
Speaker 1: mine to talk Texas high school football on this show.
Speaker 1: And now we get a chance to do that because,
Speaker 1: as of about thirty minutes ago, tight end, former tight
Speaker 1: end soon to be Hall of Famer Jason Witton, who
Speaker 1: announced his retirement from the NFL last week, has been
Speaker 1: hired now as the head coach of the Liberty Christian
Speaker 1: Argyle Christian School. Uh, they're excited to announce their new
Speaker 1: head football coach, Jason Witton. Jason, the former Dallas Cowboy
Speaker 1: and longtime Liberty parent, will be joining the Liberty Christian
Speaker 1: coaching staff as their head football coach. So Rob, first off,
Speaker 1: it's another new venture for Jason Witten. We saw that
Speaker 1: last year or I guess two years ago. His new
Speaker 1: venture though, was Monday Night Football. This one a little
Speaker 1: bit more tame, but still very intriguing from WIT's perspective. Well,
Speaker 1: I need a breakdown from you guys about Argyle, Liberty, Christian,
Speaker 1: tell me, tell me about the program. What are we
Speaker 1: working with here for Jason Witton? All right, heck, you
Speaker 1: want to go at it. This is a great absolutely, man,
Speaker 1: this is a great, great school. Obviously, the program they've
Speaker 1: been building it over the years. Championships, golore man they've had,
Speaker 1: that's there are a few players that have been there.
Speaker 1: I don't know where they are now, but a few
Speaker 1: guys the next star Guard guy from from this are
Speaker 1: exactly well, they're just a lot of there, a lot
Speaker 1: of they. I mean, they have turned out some talent
Speaker 1: there and couldn't be more excited for those For the
Speaker 1: staff obviously, the players, and man, getting a guy like
Speaker 1: Jason Witten as their head coach has got to speak
Speaker 1: volumes for those players and through that program. I just
Speaker 1: know that they have been a contender for years, and
Speaker 1: so I just look to see what he's gonna do
Speaker 1: as far as taking these guys to the next level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those years. Just for a quick second, they were not
Speaker 1: a contender this past year. Let's just say that he's
Speaker 1: got some work to do. They were two and seven,
Speaker 1: so he's got some work to do. Rob Whatever it
Speaker 1: comes to turning this program around, but a very rich
Speaker 1: history nonetheless as a as an organization. And he's staying home.
Speaker 1: He's staying home with family. And look, Shaun Lee has
Speaker 1: been asked the last couple of years, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do when you retire? You're gonna be a coach?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna get into coaching? Witten is like
Speaker 1: the prime candidate to do that because, as you know,
Speaker 1: his grandfather really shaped his life. That was his high
Speaker 1: school coach, and I have never had any doubt that
Speaker 1: that's what he wants to do at some point. But
Speaker 1: you know, he's thirty eight years old and there's time
Speaker 1: to get in back in the NFL, back to go
Speaker 1: to college and coach. If that's what he wants to do.
Speaker 1: I think this is pretty cool. He gets to be
Speaker 1: around his family and get and kind of just you know,
Speaker 1: he's into the coaching thing if that's what he wants
Speaker 1: to continue doing. So you know, Isaiah, you played with
Speaker 1: him for a couple of years, and you know how
Speaker 1: competitive he is. And I think, you know, ending his
Speaker 1: career as he announced last week, not getting that Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: I know him well enough to know that's that's something
Speaker 1: that's he's probably going to think about every day for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life, even if if it's for
Speaker 1: a split second. But I think staying around the game
Speaker 1: is something that's gonna be good for him. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's a good move for with man, that's a
Speaker 1: good mover with. I mean, there's not too many guys
Speaker 1: that love the game of football more than he does.
Speaker 1: And when you love the game that much, you want
Speaker 1: to share it, right, You want to share it. You
Speaker 1: want to make sure that somebody feels that same love
Speaker 1: that they that they have the resources um to continue
Speaker 1: to develop as players and become who they who they
Speaker 1: really truly hope to be one day, which is somewhere
Speaker 1: in Ken Ohio. Like he's going to be UM in
Speaker 1: a very near future. So, uh, you know, w is
Speaker 1: A is a great guy, great personality. Um, he's a
Speaker 1: great teacher. I don't I don't think there's ever been
Speaker 1: a question about that. His leadership is second to none,
Speaker 1: and these guys are gonna be blessed to have him
Speaker 1: as their head coach. Isaiah, if you sit out an
Speaker 1: email yet, he's gonna be his offensive coordinator down there
Speaker 1: and argyle, you're gonna figure out a way to get there.
Speaker 1: And uh no, I have my thoughts about being a
Speaker 1: coach this offseason. Blood A couple of people ask me
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not sure if I'm ready
Speaker 1: for that. I'm not sure if I'm ready for that.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I am going to support him.
Speaker 1: Huh but yet yet the operative work. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: good point, you know. Yeah, maybe maybe if we get
Speaker 1: Buried Church is a package deal and put Buried Church
Speaker 1: on the defensive side and he's the defensive coordinator, then
Speaker 1: maybe you'll find a way to get it done. We've
Speaker 1: had some conversations. Never know, I never know, very get
Speaker 1: a great coach too, you know, I will say this.
Speaker 1: We got a glimpse into Witten's coaching style year to
Speaker 1: year when when Jason Garrett did the Cowboys you day
Speaker 1: every every year with high school kids getting to be
Speaker 1: coached by Cowboys players and dude, he was super intense,
Speaker 1: as you would expect, like, Whiten's a nice guy, but
Speaker 1: there is a flip switch. Yeah, he loves the game. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's evident, right, he loves a game. And if
Speaker 1: you and if you don't honor the game and the
Speaker 1: way in which and which you should and which way
Speaker 1: he perceives that you should. Oh, you're gonna catch the raft.
Speaker 1: Believe that either little bdiy is gonna come out and
Speaker 1: bdies can come out. He gets really intense. So those
Speaker 1: those high school players that they might be excited today
Speaker 1: come conditioning, Oh lord yeah us, well, and there's gonna
Speaker 1: be so that that school Just for those of you
Speaker 1: outside of the Dallas Fort Worth area, it's a very
Speaker 1: highly privileged area and it's a really really fantastic student
Speaker 1: body and parents around it. I mean, it is a
Speaker 1: top notch school. And then you talk about the program. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of history. They haven't been as
Speaker 1: successful as of late as they want to be, but
Speaker 1: it's a very very talented area, like very very talent
Speaker 1: rich area. Argyle High School to public school that's in
Speaker 1: the area down the street has won state title after
Speaker 1: state title after state title. So with this being a
Speaker 1: private school, Jason Witton could potentially recruit. So maybe some
Speaker 1: practice that maybe alluring players into his program, some highly
Speaker 1: talented guys, and I think it won't take very long
Speaker 1: for Jason Witten. But congratulations to big Witness family staying
Speaker 1: home and a great opportunity for him and for Texas
Speaker 1: high school football at the same time. Now, there has
Speaker 1: been some new opportunity throughout the NFL over this offseason
Speaker 1: as well, and we knew the quarterback carousel was coming.
Speaker 1: Well it's already started via the Los Angeles Rams and
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. For those Cowboys fans that are tuning
Speaker 1: in because we are talking Cowboys, don't worry. We're gonna
Speaker 1: turn this back to Dak Prescott here in just a
Speaker 1: little bit. But first I wanted to get y'all's reaction
Speaker 1: on the Rams and the Lions trade Matthew Stafford going
Speaker 1: to LA two first round picks Jared Goff on their
Speaker 1: way to Detroit. Now there was a couple extra pieces
Speaker 1: in there as well, But Rob, what did you think
Speaker 1: about the trade overall? And do you think that the
Speaker 1: Rams got enough and return in Matthew Stafford, because now
Speaker 1: this quarterback market gets very intriguing. My first thought was, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, I like when you see Jared Goff, who
Speaker 1: played in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: and has the contract that he has and he's viewed
Speaker 1: by some as like a throw in as part of
Speaker 1: this trade. You know, we talked about this in our
Speaker 1: text group the other day. It's like it's yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, but you got two first round picks in
Speaker 1: a future third round pick in addition, like that is
Speaker 1: a huge haul for Detroit. And like they signed Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell to like a six year deal as the new
Speaker 1: head coach, so they're not in a hurry here. They're
Speaker 1: trying to rebuild. And so it just shows you, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're a team like the Rams that thinks you're close,
Speaker 1: you know, just keep mortgaging that future basically because you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they just keep trading away first round picks,
Speaker 1: and it makes me wonder guys, like, are other teams
Speaker 1: gonna start doing this? Because I don't think it works
Speaker 1: from a long term point of view. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's very efficient operating business because of the financials involved.
Speaker 1: The draft is so important. But I mean, they're kind
Speaker 1: of like the Lakers right now. They don't care about
Speaker 1: the future. They're just trying to win now and who
Speaker 1: cares if we don't have a first round pick for
Speaker 1: five more years or whatever it is. Well, I think
Speaker 1: in the business of the NFL, we've seen some pretty
Speaker 1: bad and some pretty good deals. This is going to
Speaker 1: rank a months Tom. I'm like, oh, this one a
Speaker 1: bad deal on paper right now with everything that they've
Speaker 1: given up, I mean leveraging the future of two first rounds,
Speaker 1: two first rounders, and a third and you know throw
Speaker 1: in golf in the deal as well. So you know
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's just one of those, it really is.
Speaker 1: And when when I saw the one thing that I
Speaker 1: thought of immediately was like deshaunk My mind going to
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and just what are they gonna give up
Speaker 1: to get a guy like that? But just stay with
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford and just his opportunity that he has. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we know Matthew Stafford very well because he's from the
Speaker 1: Dallas area and from Holland Park. Uh. And this is
Speaker 1: a guy that has a gun, I mean an arm.
Speaker 1: He can make all the throws. Obviously, you have no
Speaker 1: question marks there with him as far as his arm strength.
Speaker 1: But you know, he hadn't want anything in Detroit. And
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that are gonna say
Speaker 1: that it was the organization that bought his play down,
Speaker 1: but he's played with some studs Megatron. I mean Roy
Speaker 1: Williams gives bush Bell, and the list goes on. But
Speaker 1: I think for Matthew Stafford gett an opportunity to play
Speaker 1: for the Rams in Sean mcveigh's offense. Man, I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to see what he can do. It's gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: give them ability to stretch the field and expose a
Speaker 1: lot of defenses. That's what Sean McVeigh does better than
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches is find the mismatching, do a
Speaker 1: lot of that from different formations. So it's gonna be
Speaker 1: really interesting to see what they can do. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people all have put them in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl already. With matt Stafford, I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: that way, but it seems as though that Detroit with
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, their future is going to be bright as well,
Speaker 1: because man, they're gonna have some first round picks via
Speaker 1: the Rams for a couple of years now. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of funny that, Robbie, as you mentioned in the
Speaker 1: group text other day, you know, hey, two first round picks,
Speaker 1: a third pick, and then you get a year it
Speaker 1: goffe because this is because a toss up. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: my understanding of the situation is that the Rams are
Speaker 1: in a bad contract situation with Jared Goff, and they
Speaker 1: needed to get that off their hands by any means.
Speaker 1: And if you can, if you can get yourself out
Speaker 1: of a bad contractual agreement and at the same time,
Speaker 1: grab yourself somebody who's proven in this league, and that
Speaker 1: as a proven leader and as a proven dog, I
Speaker 1: think that's what the Rams were looking for. I think
Speaker 1: they were looking for a dog at quarterback. It's not
Speaker 1: to say that Jared Goff wasn't a good quarterback. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if he fits in the dog category.
Speaker 1: And you really need that whenever you're trying to go
Speaker 1: out there and grab some championships. So I think that
Speaker 1: you know that situation is what it is. I think
Speaker 1: they gave up a whole heck of a lot to
Speaker 1: do so. But as you guys already said, you know,
Speaker 1: these guys aren't worried about the future. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: The Sea mcvays about seventeen years old, so I doubt
Speaker 1: that he's thinking he's thinking about the future. I know
Speaker 1: he's worried about the now because he has about thirty
Speaker 1: more years of coaching, so he needs that ring on
Speaker 1: his finger now. And Isaiah I think don't like it, K,
Speaker 1: you don't like the trade. I like the trade. I
Speaker 1: do like the trade. Actually, I was about to say, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: and I think here on the on the island together,
Speaker 1: and it's not a very populated island right now. A
Speaker 1: lot of people don't like this trade, and I see
Speaker 1: where they're coming from, because there's an immense amount of
Speaker 1: pressure on both of these guys. Both Matthew Stafford and
Speaker 1: Jared Goff have to be good. They have to go
Speaker 1: to their respective teams now and have some success. Now,
Speaker 1: I agree with Isaiah on the contract situation. You look
Speaker 1: at Jared Goff's contract over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: I mean twenty eight million dollars last year. He was
Speaker 1: set for twenty seven point eight this year. It was
Speaker 1: twenty five in twenty twenty two, and then you have
Speaker 1: a potential out in twenty twenty three. But he's contracted
Speaker 1: in till twenty twenty four. So it was not a
Speaker 1: good contract for Jared Goff. But then you look at
Speaker 1: the rams in what they gave up. Some of the
Speaker 1: stats on this trade are just mind boggling. The fact
Speaker 1: that one Los Angeles right now has slated themselves for
Speaker 1: not having a first round pick from twenty seventeen till
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three almost or that's seven years full of
Speaker 1: draft picks that they have given up at summer to Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: some now to Detroit. Of course, the trade that got
Speaker 1: Jared Golf netted two first round picks, and then they
Speaker 1: trade two first round picks to get rid of the guy.
Speaker 1: So it's a crazy trade that hasn't been seen in
Speaker 1: the NFL. For instance, it's the first exchange the first
Speaker 1: number one overall picks in the common draft era since
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, So it's been a long time since
Speaker 1: we've seen a trade like this, and I think that
Speaker 1: puts a lot of pressure on these quarterbacks. But when
Speaker 1: you look at it on paper, the Rams now have
Speaker 1: a chance to win. Now they get rid of the
Speaker 1: contract situation, which are two that's two very positive things
Speaker 1: for Los Angeles. Yeah, they gave up a lot, and
Speaker 1: I agree they did give up a lot, But now
Speaker 1: Detroit has a chance to build and be and to
Speaker 1: start over. And if Matt Stafford doesn't work out, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: then the Rams have the same thing. They can start
Speaker 1: over in twenty twenty three. Yeah, no, I agree, I
Speaker 1: mean one thing that nobody's really thinking about, and we're
Speaker 1: talking about right now is the fact that how easy
Speaker 1: is it for the Rams to get free agents? Right?
Speaker 1: Think about it? Think about it easy to move to LA. Right, So,
Speaker 1: even though you don't have your first round draft picks,
Speaker 1: you still are gonna have a quarterback that everybody wants
Speaker 1: to play with. Right, you have some dogs in the
Speaker 1: backfield and some dogs at the receiver position. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be guys that they want to come play on the
Speaker 1: office side of the ball. Flip the script. On the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, your secondary you got Ramsey,
Speaker 1: you'r d line, you got a freaking Donald. Guys want
Speaker 1: to come to LA and live the Lala life. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, there's some really good dogs on this team.
Speaker 1: So it's not as difficult for guys. It's not they're
Speaker 1: not as in bad How can I say this, They're
Speaker 1: not in that bad of a situation because they don't
Speaker 1: have to develop these guys. They can wait till guys
Speaker 1: are three or four years removing their contracts and they hope,
Speaker 1: by the way, you guys want to come win, come
Speaker 1: play with us, and guys are gonna be like taxes
Speaker 1: or weather. I'm gonna get this weather and get trying
Speaker 1: to go shoot for this ring. So I think that
Speaker 1: they're in a good position in that regard, and their
Speaker 1: coach doesn't hurt either. I hadn't thought about that. That's
Speaker 1: interesting because the problem with doing this is that and
Speaker 1: they've done it since twenty sixteen, and actually, Kyle, I
Speaker 1: think twenty twenty fourth the first year they get their
Speaker 1: first round pickback. But if you if you, but you
Speaker 1: know that, I don't know their salary cap situation. But
Speaker 1: the problem is where that that's where you gotta get.
Speaker 1: That's that's why the drafts so important, heck, is that
Speaker 1: you you know you're getting what you hope as an
Speaker 1: elite player in the first round who doesn't cost that
Speaker 1: much on your salary cap for four or five years.
Speaker 1: And so Jalen Ramsey's a huge get, but he's not.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when a Marie came over here.
Speaker 1: It's a huge gip, but you can't say that a
Speaker 1: mari in a sense was the Cowboys first round pick
Speaker 1: because you had you signed him to a monster deal
Speaker 1: way before a first round pick would have been signed
Speaker 1: to it. So it just comes down to the cap.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting what Isaiah said about you know, if
Speaker 1: guys want to come aboard and take less and still
Speaker 1: make an impact because it's la maybe it's a wash
Speaker 1: and maybe they're the only type of market that can
Speaker 1: really pull that off. There's very few that can. They
Speaker 1: also talking about the specifics of the salary cap. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's going to make the difference. I think
Speaker 1: they have a ton of dead money on the books
Speaker 1: that they're still going to have to deal with with
Speaker 1: golf and also girly, so they're marching for error is
Speaker 1: gonna be very slim and be in a situation where
Speaker 1: you can't get those top tier players. But again, you know,
Speaker 1: these guys are right on the customer of a championship
Speaker 1: and this move was pushing all of your chips to
Speaker 1: the middle of the table and saying we're all in
Speaker 1: to go on a Super Bowl run. How long is
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford gonna be able to play at a high level?
Speaker 1: And look, man, if you're Detroit, you would have to
Speaker 1: be crazy to turn down that deal. I think any
Speaker 1: team two number ones, a three and the first overall player,
Speaker 1: and thinking about Detroit, they're still going in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think they're still going to draft a quarterback this year. So, man,
Speaker 1: Golf just went from LA. He just went from LA
Speaker 1: to Detroit and a quarterback battle. So man, all prayers
Speaker 1: up for Jared Golf. We'll go bad for the man.
Speaker 1: Did you did you see his quote? His course, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be playing for a team that actually wants me.
Speaker 1: For a guy, Cherry Off, I think if I had
Speaker 1: to paycheck, I'd be okay. Now with the Rams, you
Speaker 1: talk about wanting to win now and maybe not caring
Speaker 1: as much about the future and about the draft picks
Speaker 1: and YadA, YadA, YadA whenever the Rams. You look at
Speaker 1: this division in the NFC West, the Seahawks are a
Speaker 1: little bit down. I mean, they've got a little bit
Speaker 1: of turmoil. And I'm not saying they're bad by any means.
Speaker 1: I think the Seahawks are in a great situation, but
Speaker 1: they're not as good as the Seahawks have been previously.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are on the ascension, They're starting to climb
Speaker 1: the ranks. They're starting to win games. And how long
Speaker 1: until Kyler Murray and they and Cliff Kingsbury all get
Speaker 1: it together and then the forty nine ers, of course
Speaker 1: had a down year as well, So maybe the Rams
Speaker 1: are looking at this as we've got a two or
Speaker 1: three year window to try and get out of this
Speaker 1: division and make a playoff run. Let's try and do it,
Speaker 1: because we made the playoffs this year. If it doesn't matter, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get a ring up out of this, and maybe
Speaker 1: after that if you struggle and you don't have your
Speaker 1: picks for a couple of years, it doesn't it's worth it.
Speaker 1: It's worth it to your fan base. So I get
Speaker 1: it from that standpoint. I just I don't think we've
Speaker 1: ever seen this in the NFL, in the cap era,
Speaker 1: where teams just do not care about their first round picks.
Speaker 1: This is why we have the draft show. This is
Speaker 1: what this is. It's the life blood and that it's
Speaker 1: the lifeblood of a franchise. And so they just they're
Speaker 1: just kind of like, yeah, we're good. You know, it's interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't want to participate, No thanks, we'll try and
Speaker 1: find our guys later on. That's exactly what the Rams
Speaker 1: have done. And it is a crazy trade. But you
Speaker 1: talk about something we haven't seen in the NFL, well,
Speaker 1: that's certainly what's on the docket for Deshaun Watson and company.
Speaker 1: How does DeShawn Watson's situation relate to Dak Prescott's. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that on the other side of the break.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't know if the eye vision
Speaker 1: or whatnot is helping out with that, but hey, you
Speaker 1: haven't haven't had to step over yet, So that's lore
Speaker 1: lenses are working. Seeing more, doing more. As always, you're
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys, but we were talking about the unbelievable.
Speaker 1: We were talking about the quarterback situation in the trade
Speaker 1: between the Rams and the Detroit Lions and how that
Speaker 1: kind of and heckman, you brought it up a minute
Speaker 1: ago about how wow, if that's the hall for Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 1: then what is it going to be for Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: Now Deshaun Watson, of course, it's been going back and
Speaker 1: forth with him in the Houston Texans and just how
Speaker 1: things are going to turn out there, nobody really knows.
Speaker 1: But whenever it comes to Dak Prescott, I think this
Speaker 1: is starting to show just how tough it is to
Speaker 1: find a franchise quarterback in the NFL and just how
Speaker 1: much you need to hold on the one once you
Speaker 1: find him. And because I mean, you look at two
Speaker 1: first rounds swapping in Detroit in LA the other or
Speaker 1: not even first rounders, first overall picks swapping in Detroit
Speaker 1: in LA. Then you look at the Texans situation, and
Speaker 1: now you look at the Cowboys and the negotiations are
Speaker 1: ongoing and everything that's going on with that. But heckma,
Speaker 1: how imperative is it that you hold on to Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott now because this quarterback market continues to explode year
Speaker 1: after year. Yeah, it just shows you how hard it
Speaker 1: is to find a quarterback. And you know, seems take
Speaker 1: a swing and a miss all the time in the
Speaker 1: first round on guys that they think can be those
Speaker 1: transcendent talents to change your program, change your franchise. And man,
Speaker 1: with DeShawn Watson, I just gotta say I do not
Speaker 1: enjoy the contentiousness between him and the Texas Texans organization.
Speaker 1: It just seemed like it went downhill really fast. And guys,
Speaker 1: if you can get in the Hotel time machine and
Speaker 1: go back just a year and three weeks ago, the
Speaker 1: Kansas City the Texans had a twenty four point lead
Speaker 1: on the Kansas City Chiefs, right, and so, man, when
Speaker 1: you talk about it was all good just a week ago,
Speaker 1: that's it, you know, because they were all the same page.
Speaker 1: They were looking like they were on their way to
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. And even this year in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: if you talk about DeShawn Watson having a seventy percent
Speaker 1: completion rate and the Super Bowl eraror Man, this hadn't
Speaker 1: been any quarterbacks that ever not go to the super
Speaker 1: Bowl with a seventy percent completion rate, and Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: is that man and just seeing everything that's going on
Speaker 1: between those guys, and he has the hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars contract, but yet he still wants out for
Speaker 1: Dak Man. I'm just I'm hopeful that the communicate, the
Speaker 1: lines of communication are open and these guys are willing
Speaker 1: to make this deal work. I mean, there are two
Speaker 1: schools of thought with it. There's people that believe that
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott can only win if he has, you know,
Speaker 1: talented players around him, or he doesn't make all of
Speaker 1: the top tier throws as a Ben or Pat Mahomes
Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson makes. So it just seems like with
Speaker 1: Dak the goalpost is always being moved depending on how
Speaker 1: you think about him. For me, and I think, I
Speaker 1: don't know about for you guys, but twenty twenty to
Speaker 1: me prove that his leadership was missing. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a pro, he's a study's the face of your franchise.
Speaker 1: He does on it all for you, and yeah, he's
Speaker 1: improved himself as a quarterback year after year. I'm just
Speaker 1: hoping that this deal gets done, and it's not another
Speaker 1: off season where we talk about this every day and
Speaker 1: then it ends up him being franchised and that again,
Speaker 1: that contentiousness just grows between him, he and the organization.
Speaker 1: Rob Do you know if any talks that have happened
Speaker 1: between Dak Prescott and the Cowboys over the course of
Speaker 1: this off season, because I mean, they could have started
Speaker 1: talking as soon as the Cowboys were eliminated against the
Speaker 1: Giants that final week of the regular season, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: as soon as the Cowboys season ends, they were able
Speaker 1: to start talking again. I don't know to what point
Speaker 1: those talks have gone. I don't know where they're at
Speaker 1: with that right now. I do know, I do feel
Speaker 1: like there are some things that could potentially delay really
Speaker 1: substantive talks returning. And that's we don't know what the
Speaker 1: salary cap level is right now, and we won't know it.
Speaker 1: Usually that comes out around early March. Now, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: may have an idea of you know what it might be.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously it's gonna drop because of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: There's that. There's also Dak coming off the injury. Everything
Speaker 1: we've heard publicly they feel great about that. His recovery
Speaker 1: so there are some extra layers to the talks when
Speaker 1: they resume again. If they haven't yet, then they have
Speaker 1: in past years. But I do think once they do
Speaker 1: get going in earnest again, to me, I don't think
Speaker 1: it should take that long to figure something out. They've
Speaker 1: talked and talked and talked, and there have been offers
Speaker 1: on the table from the Cowboys, and so I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the cat made roll lunch into
Speaker 1: some things, and it's possible, you know that by March
Speaker 1: ninth they've got to franchise him and get that placeholder
Speaker 1: in place again. But I don't I think they've they've
Speaker 1: talked enough around this deal that to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think it should take months and months of negotiating,
Speaker 1: you know, if they will both sides want to get
Speaker 1: it done, I think they can get it done. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: And when when when you guys look at when you
Speaker 1: guys look at the comparison between this and the Watson
Speaker 1: situation and just the free agency market with quarterbacks around
Speaker 1: the league, in terms of having a solid, solidified starter, right,
Speaker 1: a guy that you know you could depend on, a
Speaker 1: franchise guy. I mean, I think I think this is
Speaker 1: probably the best example of it. We saw that drop off.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I know, I thought that any
Speaker 1: Dalin was gonna be able to come in and supplemented,
Speaker 1: and he did so once he got rolling. But we
Speaker 1: had a lot of negative things happened this year, and
Speaker 1: his Dax's presence was definitely missed. Um. There's no question
Speaker 1: about his legitimacy, his his role, his position on his team.
Speaker 1: They need him, they need him, and there needs to
Speaker 1: be no question regarding that. Uh, and this organization needs
Speaker 1: to do the right thing, go ahead and take care
Speaker 1: of him. I think that that will be the case
Speaker 1: because they know if they franchise, tag him, he's not
Speaker 1: coming back. If you franchise, if you franchise tag him
Speaker 1: twice in a role, he is not coming back. I
Speaker 1: don't care if you're offering him more money, he's not
Speaker 1: coming back. Just off a principle, Alan, all right, Just
Speaker 1: off a principle. Alan. It's just just like we're doing
Speaker 1: the hood. It's on og. It's not happening. So I
Speaker 1: got you. I gotta ask you, though, Isaiah, when it
Speaker 1: comes down to quarterbacks, and you've played with some great quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: with some great quarterbacks as far as dak in the
Speaker 1: school of thought of him being the kind of quarterback
Speaker 1: that makes everyone else better. What is do you add
Speaker 1: any validity to that argument or do you believe he
Speaker 1: is a guy that you can win with no matter
Speaker 1: what kind of talent if you have around him. I
Speaker 1: can't answer that to the fulfillment as as I want to,
Speaker 1: because I don't know him like that. I ran into
Speaker 1: him one time, so I don't really truly know his
Speaker 1: leadership ability, nor have I had the eyes like some
Speaker 1: of our other comrades over there hector this year that
Speaker 1: I can watch practice but sprinkle some of that on there.
Speaker 1: But you know, I can say with the quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: I have been very spoiled to play with Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame quarterbacks, no no doubt about it. And I can
Speaker 1: tell you that all quarterbacks, all quarterbacks need talent around
Speaker 1: them to be successful. Let's just let's just end the
Speaker 1: conversation right there. You cannot be successful as a quarterback
Speaker 1: if you don't have officsive line. We saw that this year.
Speaker 1: You cannot be successful at quarterback if you don't have
Speaker 1: receivers or throw too. Unless you got an amazing running game.
Speaker 1: It's not happening. Right, We're not looking for game managers
Speaker 1: to win Super Bowls. This is just not happening. Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson is not that guy anymore. You know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the running game that he wants had or Mars Shawn,
Speaker 1: you know, a Hall of Fame running back. Now you
Speaker 1: gotta go out there and get it done with with
Speaker 1: just with good receivers. So you know, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think that can definitely come back, and I think
Speaker 1: once we have things solidified, he can be that guy
Speaker 1: that making guys better. It's it's an expectancy when you play,
Speaker 1: when you play with TV twelve, there's a level of
Speaker 1: expectation that you have. And that's the reason why you're
Speaker 1: seeing what's happening right now with Tampa Bay, what's happening
Speaker 1: with him right on the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: defensi side of the ball, and special teams. You elevate
Speaker 1: your play because of the expectancy of what's to come.
Speaker 1: If you have a guy that you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna get out of him, I don't what's my
Speaker 1: expectation level. I don't know right if my guys wishy washy,
Speaker 1: do I have a dog or do I have somebody
Speaker 1: who's high and low? What happens when he throws it?
Speaker 1: When he happens when he throws the three interception game?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna come back and keep working harder? Is
Speaker 1: he gonna go sit by himself on the end of
Speaker 1: a bench? Right? Is he gonna come back and motivate
Speaker 1: everybody and say that's on me, let's go this next series.
Speaker 1: There's an expectancy, right, So when you know what you're
Speaker 1: getting out of that position, it's easy for you to
Speaker 1: raise your level of play, and your confidence grows, Your
Speaker 1: confidence grows. How many guys can go freaking grab a
Speaker 1: b grunkhouse and get all these guys out of retirement
Speaker 1: and suspension and bring him on the squad and say,
Speaker 1: guess what, I need you to be the player that
Speaker 1: you once were, or at least one step short of that, right,
Speaker 1: and let's go out here and win the dog on
Speaker 1: a championship. And guys look at you and say, okay,
Speaker 1: so right, there's only your handful of those guys that
Speaker 1: do it all right, So da, we're gonna see, We're
Speaker 1: gonna see what Dak brings to the table when he
Speaker 1: comes back this year, because we obviously know what happens
Speaker 1: when he's not there. Well, you look even just at
Speaker 1: the reaction that Houston has had. I mean Houston, even
Speaker 1: with all the noise, even with all the talk and
Speaker 1: Watson officially requesting a trade out of Houston, they still
Speaker 1: don't want to give them up. And I think that
Speaker 1: just shows how priceless these quarterbacks are for all the
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans out there, and there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: them that, during the course of the season are saying,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, let's trade Dak Prescott. It doesn't happen
Speaker 1: like that. It doesn't happen where you trade the left
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Look at the last two NFC champions. One
Speaker 1: just changed quarterbacks, right because they weren't satisfied with what
Speaker 1: they were getting from their number one overall pick from
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Yeah, and now it just came
Speaker 1: out this morning reports that the forty nine ers are
Speaker 1: open to making a trade of some sort to maybe
Speaker 1: go get another quarterback. Maybe it's Kirk Cousins, that's what
Speaker 1: that was a report from ESPN. So you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're hard to find. Great quarterbacks, are hard to find
Speaker 1: consistently great quarterbacks, and you guys are so right. Heck isai.
Speaker 1: He talked about quarterbacks needing help. It's not a knock
Speaker 1: or a disc on a quarterback that they need things around.
Speaker 1: Then why did Tom Brady go to Tampa Bay Because
Speaker 1: they had the best best options offensively as skill positions.
Speaker 1: The Patriots don't anymore, they really don't. And you know
Speaker 1: another example, Aaron Rodgers. They drafted a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: first round that pissed him off. That pissed him off
Speaker 1: because it was it was a great receiver draft, and
Speaker 1: they did that, yeah, to help him out. So even
Speaker 1: the very best need help. And I think you know Dak,
Speaker 1: I think you know you don't pay Dak necessarily just
Speaker 1: for what he's been and he's taking you to the
Speaker 1: second round the playoffs twice in five years, got hurt
Speaker 1: early this past year. You pay him in part because
Speaker 1: of what you think he can be. And they clearly believe.
Speaker 1: I think they believe that he can become one of
Speaker 1: the very very best quarterbacks as he gets older and
Speaker 1: gets more time in the system. Like Isaiah, you've played
Speaker 1: the position, there comes a certain point where you've seen
Speaker 1: everything is to see. Yeah, and so I think health
Speaker 1: willing they think he can get to that point and
Speaker 1: by paying him that would be proof of that. It
Speaker 1: is kind of sad that you have to throw the
Speaker 1: health willing in there, because I mean, he was not.
Speaker 1: It really never was a health willing with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: He was available. He didn't miss a game from his
Speaker 1: rookie year until year five, and I mean that ended
Speaker 1: up being the case in twenty twenty. But HEKMA. If
Speaker 1: you're the Cowboys and you're looking at this situation and
Speaker 1: you're doing exactly what Rob just said and paying him
Speaker 1: for what he can be, how much does the ankle
Speaker 1: play into that? Because there's leverage with the ankle. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've said that already that the leverage there is on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys standpoint, but there's also leverage from Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: standpoint of saying, once I went out, you saw what
Speaker 1: your season went to after that moment happened. So where
Speaker 1: did the Cowboys go from here in terms of evaluating
Speaker 1: the ankle, looking at it and making sure that he
Speaker 1: can be what Rob Phillips like the Cowboys want him
Speaker 1: to be in the future. Man, I have a microscope
Speaker 1: in every orfice man trying to find out how that
Speaker 1: ankle is doing. If I'm gonna pay you forty million
Speaker 1: dollars or around about whatever that top tier money is,
Speaker 1: it's gonna play into a huge part of this decision
Speaker 1: making for the Cowboys. But I don't believe that the
Speaker 1: ankle is going to be a at least that's what
Speaker 1: I'm hoping, right I don't believe that it's going to
Speaker 1: be a problem for Dak to heal from this. And
Speaker 1: you have a history of other guys healing from these
Speaker 1: types of injuries. How does that play into his mechanics
Speaker 1: pushing off of his foot? Will he be willing? Will
Speaker 1: he be the same Dak Prescott. These are questions that
Speaker 1: he's going to have to answer for this franchise. But again,
Speaker 1: when you look at the way that teams are willing
Speaker 1: to move guys after they sign them, you know, if
Speaker 1: this doesn't work out for the Cowboys or Dak say,
Speaker 1: if they sign them that you do realize that they
Speaker 1: can move on from it potentially. Right now, it's just
Speaker 1: in a situation where we've been talking about this, there's
Speaker 1: been so much conjecture about this contract, and everyone believes
Speaker 1: and I think anyone's as seeing Dak play realizes that
Speaker 1: he's earned that contract. The thing is is that the
Speaker 1: train the thought process on dak is is do you
Speaker 1: do you consider him to be in the same air
Speaker 1: as Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson's I think the resounding
Speaker 1: vote is a no. And so that's where I think
Speaker 1: the tug, where the tug of war uh internally happens
Speaker 1: with getting him signed to a long term deal. And
Speaker 1: that's the flip side of it, right, Like you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have said they want to have enough money
Speaker 1: left over to field an entirely a team all the
Speaker 1: way top to bottom that can be competitive. I understand that,
Speaker 1: But you're also seeing the alternatives, right, I mean, when
Speaker 1: it does, when it doesn't work out, just you know,
Speaker 1: look inside the division, look inside the division. Three former
Speaker 1: first round picks Dwayne Haskins and Daniel Jones, and obviously
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz we've talked about him. Didn't work out for
Speaker 1: their respective teams, might still work out for Winston Philly.
Speaker 1: We'll see. But you know, you're you are rolling the
Speaker 1: dice in the first round. Even if you think, oh,
Speaker 1: we got a top pick, we can find a quarter back.
Speaker 1: It's not guaranteed. Hey, how how how how bad do
Speaker 1: you think? How regretful do you think that Green Bay
Speaker 1: is about about taking Jordan last year? You got to
Speaker 1: be more careful, to be more careful. Yeah, that's that
Speaker 1: was a mistake. I mean because think about it, if
Speaker 1: they could have put I don't want another one of those,
Speaker 1: another wide receiver over there, man god Lee, just the
Speaker 1: explosiveness in their offense already, and just Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: such a different difference maker. But we don't know if
Speaker 1: that whole thing is going to implode in green Bay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they came out, said they came out on the floora
Speaker 1: came out and said today that he will be the
Speaker 1: starter next year. Yeah you better say that. Well that
Speaker 1: that should be the case. So now here's here's the
Speaker 1: thing about Green Bay is that I don't know if
Speaker 1: you can necessarily say they regret it right now. They do, yes, one,
Speaker 1: because they didn't win the NFC Championship and they're not
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl at the moment. Sure, yes they regretted.
Speaker 1: But if Jordan's love turns out to be really, really good,
Speaker 1: just how Aaron Rodgers did with Brett Farve when he
Speaker 1: was drafted to Green Bay and Brett Farve was still
Speaker 1: in the starters seat. And I mean if I don't
Speaker 1: think you could say right now that or that the
Speaker 1: green Bay Packers regret taking Aaron Rodgers whenever they had
Speaker 1: Brett Farve. I mean they don't regret that by any means.
Speaker 1: So if Jordan Love comes out and he just stinks
Speaker 1: it up, then yes they will one hundred percent. That
Speaker 1: might be the worst draft pick in the franchise history.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if he comes out and
Speaker 1: balls out, whenever Aaron Rodgers is no longer in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you've got yourself another franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's big. If that's a big I think
Speaker 1: I think that. I think Green Bay helped the Rams
Speaker 1: make this trade. I think I think green Bay see
Speaker 1: what they did this year with their draft pick, I
Speaker 1: think they helped the Rams make this trade. They say
Speaker 1: they drapped somebody in the first round. He didn't even
Speaker 1: suit it up. I don't think we need our first
Speaker 1: round draft picks. We're okay if you wanted to take
Speaker 1: a look at quarterbacks. Just for those that are that
Speaker 1: are interested in terms of quarterbacks that were taken when
Speaker 1: the number ten overall pick. If you were wanting the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to take a number ten or a quarterback at
Speaker 1: number ten, the last one I can think of is
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen. He was taken by the Arizona Cardinals at
Speaker 1: number ten. Remember how much of a sure thing that
Speaker 1: was at the time. Yeah, that that didn't work out.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that. I mean he was replaced one
Speaker 1: year later by Kyler Murray. So I'm just saying, if
Speaker 1: you're wanting to take a premium pick and make it
Speaker 1: on a quarterback, it's fine by me, but you need
Speaker 1: to get to your not when you have a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. And we're in February now. The
Speaker 1: franchise slash transition tag period starts in twenty two days.
Speaker 1: It's three weeks from tomorrow. Is whenever that franchise tag
Speaker 1: period opens up and it goes to March ninth, and
Speaker 1: Rob is March ninth? Is that d Day for the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: And by d I mean Dak is that Dak Day?
Speaker 1: By that's that's whenever you need that deal to be
Speaker 1: done by is March ninth. I If not, then you
Speaker 1: have to franchise him. And so you can keep you negotiating.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I it's artificial deadlines, right. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if to me, it would be very ideal
Speaker 1: to get the deal done by the start of free agency,
Speaker 1: which I think is March seventeenth, so you know exactly
Speaker 1: what your cap flexibility is. And right now there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of unknowns with that because of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: But but again, it's artificial deadlines. Like when it really
Speaker 1: comes down to it, it's that summer deadline of oh
Speaker 1: this is that's d day, you know, because if Isaiah's right, man,
Speaker 1: if it's two years on a tag, that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Where Kirk Cousins. Think about Kirk Cousins that you know
Speaker 1: two years on tag, he left after that. So you
Speaker 1: know that's that's the big one. When it comes right
Speaker 1: down to it, was it give me my money. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at some of these question Hey, I gotta question
Speaker 1: before you hit the before you if that comes in
Speaker 1: and says, hey I need forty million, or y'all can
Speaker 1: miss me what you're gonna do? Sign him? Rob? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've said sign him. Sign him. I mean that's you know,
Speaker 1: the prices for signing quarterbacks, the financials. It's not going down,
Speaker 1: it's it's just going to continue to go up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: forty million dollars would would not be a deterrent from
Speaker 1: signing Deck. I mean that would put him, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: put him above the top tier guy, the top guy,
Speaker 1: So he would be in the ballpark. And look next year,
Speaker 1: when you talk about the contracts that are coming with
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and other guys, they're gonna they're gonna clips
Speaker 1: that easily. Yeah, I think I would sign him to Isaiah.
Speaker 1: Would you not sign him at forty million? No, you
Speaker 1: have you? I mean after this year, you have to.
Speaker 1: I mean if it had it, had it not been
Speaker 1: for what took place this year, probably not. But you know,
Speaker 1: just for the argument that Heckman brought up earlier, you're
Speaker 1: not Aaron Rodgers, You're not you know, you're not Mike
Speaker 1: can I think right now, Yeah, you're not a Ronnie,
Speaker 1: you're not Russell Wilson, you're not those guys. So you
Speaker 1: haven't you haven't done what those guys have done. So
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, no, I couldn't pay you forty but
Speaker 1: after this year, whatever you want, sir, whenever you want,
Speaker 1: come on, Oh Man, that's the leverage he has. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys talk about the injuries. I mean the injury,
Speaker 1: that injury that he has, he'll be He's fine, that
Speaker 1: won't be a problem. And the thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's the tag again, it's thirty eight million, if
Speaker 1: it's just for the one year, So yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a tough it's a tough deal.
Speaker 1: But I mean we've kind of laid it out there.
Speaker 1: The alternatives are you're rebuilding, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: think they feel like they're a rebuilding team. I think
Speaker 1: I think defensively it could take a year or two
Speaker 1: to kind of get to where you want to be.
Speaker 1: But if they have Dak and they get healthy, I
Speaker 1: think they still feel like they can be very competitive
Speaker 1: within their division. And then you get in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and you see what happens. You know, Now, are there
Speaker 1: alternatives to the franchise tag? If Dak Prescott gets is
Speaker 1: deal done? Are there players on this roster where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could potentially franchise or transition tag a player. We're
Speaker 1: gonna answer that question. We're also going to look at
Speaker 1: some of the ways the Cowboys could build around Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott and get that roster back up to contention level.
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Speaker 1: myself in Isaiah's earbuds. And that's unfortunate because they're not
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Speaker 1: new level. It's not the right way. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, heck, Ma Harrison hears me, just loud and clear. Heck,
Speaker 1: but what's it sound like? It's like a symphony in
Speaker 1: my head? Kyle, I don't know why that's funny every time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no reason why that should be as entertaining as
Speaker 1: it is, just because, but it is. Okay, So I've
Speaker 1: got a staff for you guys. I mentioned Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: in the last segment about quarterbacks taken with a tenth
Speaker 1: overall pick. Since two thousand and just gonna blow your mind,
Speaker 1: there have been four quarterbacks taken with the tenth overall
Speaker 1: pick in the NFL draft. Now, Josh Rosen was one
Speaker 1: of them. If you want to go one year prior
Speaker 1: to that, it was Patrick Mahomes. So right, there. I
Speaker 1: mean fifty fifty right, that's pretty good. Jed Patrick, Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen. The other two, how about Blaine Gabbert that
Speaker 1: was quarterback out of Missouri in twenty eleven? How did
Speaker 1: that turn out? Gentlemally? Not too great? Work home? He
Speaker 1: still he is, but it didn't turn out too well.
Speaker 1: The other one was actually, actually he's backing up TV twelve,
Speaker 1: isn't he? Is he? I don't know? Actually is he? Don't?
Speaker 1: I have no idea twel backup? I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We just heard from Aaron
Speaker 1: Gonzalez in the back and he said he said he
Speaker 1: is TB twelves backup. So Aaron Gonzalez producing things. I
Speaker 1: love it. He might get a Super Bowl ring out
Speaker 1: the Sorry Blaine, I apologize for for dragging your name
Speaker 1: through the mud. Okay. And then two thousand and six
Speaker 1: Matthew Lyoner quarterback out of of course USC, but Arizona
Speaker 1: was the one that ended up picking him. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. Did you see this other quarterback stack? Kyle?
Speaker 1: What's that? From going back on the deck subject, Fifteen
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were drafted in twenty sixteen, including one raindecode of Prescott.
Speaker 1: He is the only one left that has not been benched,
Speaker 1: cut or traded out of fifteen and here, and there
Speaker 1: were seven picked ahead of him. So that's a large
Speaker 1: number quarterbacks yep, seven ahead of him. That is wild.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that myself. So that's a one in
Speaker 1: seven chance to find a quarterback in twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 1: you got it. You hit it. And then out of
Speaker 1: just the last twenty one years of NFL draftees, in
Speaker 1: the spot that you're drafting at, it's a twenty five
Speaker 1: percent chance of finding a franchise quarterback. And I mean, sure,
Speaker 1: twenty five percent sounds great, but not really whenever you
Speaker 1: need to find a quarterback if you have one already,
Speaker 1: and that just doesn't work out for me. Now mentioned
Speaker 1: some of the characters around him and trying to find
Speaker 1: some guys in that franchise transition tag period. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear Rob's take on this, because if
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott does not get franchise tag, and by that
Speaker 1: I mean they signed him to a long term deal,
Speaker 1: who's the next player up that would receive a tag
Speaker 1: either on the transition or on the franchise before that
Speaker 1: March ninth deadline, because I mean a couple of guys
Speaker 1: free agency wise that you don't necessarily think it would
Speaker 1: be tag worthy Or is there anybody tagworthy from the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see one, Kyle, I really don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, because with a franchise tag you're talking about,
Speaker 1: I think it's the average of the top five salaries
Speaker 1: at a certain position. That's that's just a ton of
Speaker 1: money you're committing. And you go past Dak in terms
Speaker 1: of free agents, the next biggest name you could argue
Speaker 1: is maybe Aldan Smith And yeah, I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: I mean, the franchise tag for defensive end last year
Speaker 1: was almost eighteen million bucks. I think that it's it's
Speaker 1: Dak or nobody. I think, yeah, So that's a positive
Speaker 1: thing because if you had to franchise Dak Prescott to
Speaker 1: continue the negotiation, sure, at the moment it'll say, oh no,
Speaker 1: we had to franchise them again. But really that's just
Speaker 1: kind of keeping your seat at the table whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to those negotiations. But you're not giving up another play,
Speaker 1: like as if in last year you were worried about
Speaker 1: either transitioning Amari Cooper. You wanted to tag a Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: you wanted to sign a Dak Prescott. I mean, there
Speaker 1: were so many guys last year in the offseason that
Speaker 1: you could have placed that tag on. Since there's nobody there,
Speaker 1: does it make you feel a little bit better? Heck,
Speaker 1: one that you wouldn't actually have to give up a
Speaker 1: player if that ended up needing to be franchised. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, but like Rob said, I mean, after Dak,
Speaker 1: if you start talking about what you would give, like
Speaker 1: to Aldon Smith and Rob who's out to Aldon Smith
Speaker 1: as well as a free agent, that you will you
Speaker 1: say cheeto probably Yeah. Yeah. So I just don't see
Speaker 1: that happening either, so that that place marker for franchise
Speaker 1: tags is not gonna be offen to any of those guys.
Speaker 1: So LP, yeah, man, help help Lattis or nah no,
Speaker 1: he's vested. I think it was good he's vested. Oh man.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least there's options here for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and hopefully they find a way to get it done. Now.
Speaker 1: We also got a chance to hear from Will McClay
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl this past week, and Will McClay in
Speaker 1: the scouting department made the trip down the mobile that
Speaker 1: was really about it. No coaching staff went. Really wasn't
Speaker 1: a ton of runt office presence. But Will McClay made
Speaker 1: his trip down to the Senior Bowl and got to
Speaker 1: check out some collegiate guys and and meet him face
Speaker 1: to face. I heard the Senior Bowl spent twelve thousand
Speaker 1: dollars on plexi glass to have these meetings in person,
Speaker 1: So over twelve grand in plexiglass to even have these
Speaker 1: in person meetings whatsoever. And then Will McClay was a
Speaker 1: part of those. But Rob, anything that you took out
Speaker 1: about what McClay said and kind of the way that
Speaker 1: this draft process is headed right now, Well, yeah, like
Speaker 1: what you just said, I mean, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: new world right in terms of they got to meet
Speaker 1: you know, I liked he called compared to the speed dating.
Speaker 1: You know, it's minutes with a prospect, but it's behind glass.
Speaker 1: You know, you're if it's not virtual, it's got to
Speaker 1: be a situation like that. Usually the Senior Bowl, for
Speaker 1: front office folks is not just evaluating talent. It's also
Speaker 1: you know, guys around the league you're looking for jobs,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of a job fair too. There
Speaker 1: wasn't that this year, you know, And so I think
Speaker 1: they were strictly, you know, down to evaluating prospects, and
Speaker 1: you know, there are always it seems like every year
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are drafting somebody from the Senior Bowl. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything to that. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, they've done enough homework on guys that are
Speaker 1: senior prospects to begin with, but you go down the list.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dak's a guy they got to meet with
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, Zach Martin, DeMarcus Ware and small school
Speaker 1: prospects are usually really get an opportunity to shine on
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl week. So I just think it was it
Speaker 1: was great that they got to send people down there.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a limit of twelve or ten
Speaker 1: per team because of this situation we're in, But just
Speaker 1: to be able to get down there and get a
Speaker 1: little bit of a look and get a look at
Speaker 1: some guys that might have opted out. I think there
Speaker 1: are a few of those guys too, right, Kyle. So
Speaker 1: I think that that's a good situation too. Now from
Speaker 1: a player's standpoint, Isaiah, I mean, the Senior Bowl week
Speaker 1: like it is a job fair for coaches as well.
Speaker 1: It's your one opportunity, at least this year to get
Speaker 1: in front of a coaching staff. So how important is
Speaker 1: it knowing whenever you're going into that draft process that
Speaker 1: you have to have some of those relationships with coaches
Speaker 1: in front office in order to maybe up your draft stock.
Speaker 1: It's huge. Um. It was a bummer for me because
Speaker 1: I blew my foot out and I couldn't attended Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: But um, you know when I got to the Combine,
Speaker 1: I was out there talking to everybody. I was shaking hands,
Speaker 1: kissing babies, and you know it, slepting people in the butt,
Speaker 1: you know, Jason Garrett, I was doing it all. Wow,
Speaker 1: Because that's that's the one opportunity that I personally had
Speaker 1: to encounter and let these guys know exactly who I was.
Speaker 1: So when you have an opportunity to sit down with
Speaker 1: these with these coaches, when you have opportunity to sit
Speaker 1: down with these general managers, with these owners, you know,
Speaker 1: even after the Combine and the Senior Bowl, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna do it this year,
Speaker 1: but you know, before you can fly guys in, you know,
Speaker 1: you fly, guys. I remember when when when mister Jones, Jared,
Speaker 1: you know, double J flew me in and I got
Speaker 1: to sit down and talk to him face to face
Speaker 1: at this this massive location they called an airport um
Speaker 1: here at THEW and I remember sitting down having those conversations,
Speaker 1: and those those are the ones where they truly get
Speaker 1: an understanding of who you are, what your character is,
Speaker 1: if you're bsking them, if you're just trying to give
Speaker 1: right answers. Let me ask you some stuff about your
Speaker 1: family that nobody else has asked you before. You know,
Speaker 1: what are the things that you like to do in
Speaker 1: your spare time, Like just the regular every day who
Speaker 1: are you as a person? Type questions? Because so much
Speaker 1: of the combines, so much of the Senior Bowl, these
Speaker 1: these mock interviews are scripted, right, and these these agencies
Speaker 1: or they have this stuff down to a tea now
Speaker 1: where it's like, Hey, they're gonna ask you this, this
Speaker 1: is your response. You're gonna ask you this, this your response.
Speaker 1: And these owners and these general general managers and coaches
Speaker 1: want to get you out of that environment and find
Speaker 1: out exactly who it is that they're investing in. Heck, well,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the Senior Bowl. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was said Will McClay said this earlier talking about
Speaker 1: how it's important to know what the coaching staff is
Speaker 1: seeking in terms of these prospects. I mean fitting to
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's system, fitting into Mike McCarthy's mindset, even Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore on the offensive side. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, they're still looking for really good football players,
Speaker 1: and they're making their adjustments and they're trying to get
Speaker 1: to the point where as a roster you feel good
Speaker 1: enough to go and take best player available when April
Speaker 1: rolls around. But at the same time, how much of
Speaker 1: an evaluation process goes into it from a front office
Speaker 1: perspective Because Will mcclay's out here saying I want that guy,
Speaker 1: but the coaching staff and dan Quinn, who was a
Speaker 1: head coach El Square, might say he wants something different. Well,
Speaker 1: there's got to be a heightened sense of urgency with
Speaker 1: all of this, especially with dan Quinn coming in. And
Speaker 1: you know, the communication lines between the front office and
Speaker 1: the coaching staff have always been excellent and Will McClay
Speaker 1: has proud of itself on that and making sure that
Speaker 1: he communicates with his coaches on what they want. But
Speaker 1: you know, with COVID and the team and not having
Speaker 1: you know, not being able to go to any this year,
Speaker 1: and you know, pro days looking at a lot different. Man.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they are going to have to rely
Speaker 1: on a lot of film and getting out there and
Speaker 1: interviewing these guys. Because again, if you're going to pour
Speaker 1: millions of dollars into players that you don't actually get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to sit down and talk to, that changes
Speaker 1: the whole dynamic of the way that guys have been
Speaker 1: drafted in the past. But you know, I have a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence in Will McClay in the scouting department.
Speaker 1: These guys have been able to find a lot of
Speaker 1: diamonds in the draft. And you know, you look at
Speaker 1: last year and just the way that things change with COVID,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that's where you had those
Speaker 1: players that came in that the Nis, the Reggie Robs
Speaker 1: that you know, look, these guys maybe became project players
Speaker 1: because you didn't have all the information. I don't think
Speaker 1: that they're going to make that mistake again this year.
Speaker 1: Not to say that those draft picks were mistakes, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying the evaluation process. It's going to be heightening.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be in a situation where COVID
Speaker 1: is this new thing and having to figure out how
Speaker 1: to maneuver around it. But I think it is very important.
Speaker 1: I mean, and if you have a guy at ten,
Speaker 1: that is just a no brainer. And it's gonna get
Speaker 1: to that point because there may be some guys that
Speaker 1: slide in this draft and that the Cowboys may if
Speaker 1: they would have even had an opportunity to get. And
Speaker 1: if that happens, and if that happens, what do you do?
Speaker 1: Because like Rob said, you may be looking at this
Speaker 1: guy that's may be a potential Hall of Famer and
Speaker 1: you have to go with me. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what my man Rob has
Speaker 1: on that over these shows, but it's gonna come out
Speaker 1: best player available, right Rob little little on the old BPA.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see if it comes to that. It'll
Speaker 1: be very interesting hack to see y'all how that might
Speaker 1: pan out. Gosh, i'd be so fun. Yeah, that'd be
Speaker 1: so fun, guys. And when I was watching the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw a bunch of talent. Maybe it
Speaker 1: hadn't been the same Senior Bowl and years passed because
Speaker 1: so many guys had opted out, and you know, may
Speaker 1: not have wanted to go to the Senior Bowl, but man,
Speaker 1: I'm just used to seeing that one guy that you've
Speaker 1: been watching all year come to the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 1: just you know, hike and you go go the next
Speaker 1: level and guys making themselves some money at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: You saw a few guys that did that, and so
Speaker 1: I'm sure i Will McClay was out there. He's got
Speaker 1: his pick of the letter, especially on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: I mean, they took three players last year from the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Neville Gallimore, Reggie Robinson, and Bradley and I
Speaker 1: all three Senior Bowl guys. All three were in that
Speaker 1: day too early day three realm. And so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there were some guys there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are names throughout the list that went
Speaker 1: down the Senior Bowl week and showed out and played decent.
Speaker 1: And I mean some of them had really bad practices
Speaker 1: but had really good games. And I mean Keith Taylor,
Speaker 1: the defensive back out of Washington, not great in practice,
Speaker 1: but he had a facastic game. I mean he was
Speaker 1: all over the place. That's what we do, you dub.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, since I mentioned one guy from
Speaker 1: your alma mater, I'll go to to to Rob's as well.
Speaker 1: But Texas A and M's Kellen Mond. I was not
Speaker 1: pressed with this week of practice. And then he goes
Speaker 1: out and he wins the MVP. He goes and wins
Speaker 1: the MVP of the game, and so hey, I mean
Speaker 1: Ken Kellen Mond is a perfect example of Oh, he
Speaker 1: got an offensive line that was actually really good around him,
Speaker 1: like in a great running game. Wow, He's he had
Speaker 1: a career season a senior year at A and M.
Speaker 1: It's like quarterbacks, if they get some help and they're good,
Speaker 1: they can be really good. So the other thing too, Kyle,
Speaker 1: that I don't know if you agree with this, but
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks has been writing on the website about yeah,
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl all week and things that I like to
Speaker 1: see was he said, oh line he feels like and
Speaker 1: it was well represented at Senior Bowl. You could find
Speaker 1: some old lineman. If you're looking for depth on your
Speaker 1: old line for the future, doesn't I have to be
Speaker 1: early necessarily, So that's encouraging. No, there were a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. Alex Leatherwood I thought was fantastic all week long.
Speaker 1: Matt Rule was even. I mean, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the practice was talking about Alex Leatherwood and how good
Speaker 1: he was anticipating in the snap and so many different things.
Speaker 1: So if the Cowboys don't use that tenth overall pick
Speaker 1: to take a tackle like a Rashawn Slater or a
Speaker 1: Christian Derris Hour, I don't. I don't think he'll slide.
Speaker 1: But Pinney sul like these top three guys that are
Speaker 1: at the offensive tackle position, that depth needs to be there.
Speaker 1: You've got a comp pick in the third, You're gonna
Speaker 1: get a comp pick in the fourth. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have five picks in the top four rounds. Take
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. Let's get some depth, because there's questions
Speaker 1: about Connor Williams. There's questions at tackle. Let's figure this
Speaker 1: thing out. Because when you get Dak Prescott back and
Speaker 1: hopefully resigned to a longer deal, and you have all
Speaker 1: those weapons like Kyle Pitts and Ceedee lamb Out on
Speaker 1: the outside, then yeah, let's take some offensive tackle depth
Speaker 1: there and make sure that in the third and fourth
Speaker 1: round that Kyle Pitts is protected on that edge and
Speaker 1: that we can use him as a receiver whenever we
Speaker 1: take him with the tenth overall pick in April. But
Speaker 1: that's just that's my mindset with the whole thing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot going on in my head
Speaker 1: right now about Kyle Pitts. I'm dreaming of Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: in this offense. It's not a symphony. It is so
Speaker 1: a symphony. Oh my god, it's like a symphony in
Speaker 1: my head. All right, that's it. Four Talking Cowboys presented
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