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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back into the Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate you hanging with us. We

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Speaker 1: have a fantastic guest, an expert in fact, to join

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Speaker 1: us now, Doctor Nicole Sapphire, a full time practicing physician

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Speaker 1: here in the New York City area where I am.

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Speaker 1: She's also a Fox News contributor and best selling author

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Speaker 1: of Make America Healthy Again and Panic Attack, Playing Politics

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Speaker 1: with Science in the Fight against COVID nineteen. Doctor Sapphire,

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Speaker 1: first time on the show. Thanks so much, Hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Looking forward to it. So what is

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Speaker 1: your feeling on the back and forth now on the

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Speaker 1: plane mask mandate? And also what is it with all

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Speaker 1: these epidemiologists who are wearing loosely drape cloth masks on

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Speaker 1: their faces in the airport and thinking that it's some

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Speaker 1: kind of protest. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's really

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I mean, we laugh about it because

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Speaker 1: it is such a grace what is happening right now

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Speaker 1: in the back and forth, But I mean it's really

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Speaker 1: quite devastating in terms of public health and just our

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Speaker 1: overall trust of our public health entities. You know, pre covid,

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Speaker 1: I would say that I was a huge supporter and

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Speaker 1: proponent of the CDC and FDA, And unfortunately, as we

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Speaker 1: have seen throughout the course of the last two years,

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Speaker 1: the political nonsense that's happened, you know, the big issue

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Speaker 1: with masking its devices. Divisive, undoubtedly, but at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, it really should just be scientific. It's

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Speaker 1: not about being Republican or Democrat, or you know, too

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Speaker 1: cautious or not cautious enough. But the bottom line is

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Speaker 1: we have failed as a scientific community to prove or

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Speaker 1: really disprove that masks work. And just like people who

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Speaker 1: are refusing to fly when there was a mask mandate,

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Speaker 1: the people who are now refusing not to fly because

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Speaker 1: the mandate's been removed, they're both being dramatic and certainly

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Speaker 1: not science driven. Dodger Sapphire, first of all, thanks coming

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Speaker 1: on this, Clay. I wish we could go back in

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Speaker 1: time and sort of make public health decisions more rationally.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that will happen, whether we like

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Speaker 1: it or not, is twenty years from now there will

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Speaker 1: be big, massively best selling books likely to be written

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Speaker 1: about the way and beyond certainly the way we responded

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Speaker 1: to COVID. What do you think those books will be

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Speaker 1: saying about many of the choices we made, whether it

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Speaker 1: was masking, whether it was taking kids out of school,

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Speaker 1: whether it was social distancing. In your mind, and I

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Speaker 1: know it's always hard to judge in the middle of

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Speaker 1: historical moments, but his history going to say, hey, you

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Speaker 1: know what, the United States, they're a really good job

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Speaker 1: responding to COVID, or for the most part, are we

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Speaker 1: going to say most of the things that we were

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Speaker 1: prescribed to do didn't really have that much of an impact.

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Speaker 1: Well as someone who actually wrote a book about the

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Speaker 1: politicization of science again the way that we handled it,

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Speaker 1: in fact, pandemic. In fact, let me give you before

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Speaker 1: you answered, let me go ahead and tell you and

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Speaker 1: everyone out there listening all about this book. It's called

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Speaker 1: Make America Healthy Again, panic attack, playing politics with science

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Speaker 1: in the fight against COVID nineteen. Historically we say what

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Speaker 1: so well, make America Healthy Again? Just you know, was

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Speaker 1: a pre COVID book, Panic attack during COVID difficult about it?

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Speaker 1: And there it's the exact same issues that we're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: What we have failed to do. From an American public

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Speaker 1: health standpoint is we failed to prove that a lot

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Speaker 1: of our measures actually worked. And actually, you know, looking

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Speaker 1: back retrospectively when it came to lockdowns and keeping kids

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Speaker 1: out of schools, all of those we have shown that

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Speaker 1: there was more damage than there's actually benefit. And maybe

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Speaker 1: we could have excused some of these measures that were

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Speaker 1: done in haste in the first three months, in six

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Speaker 1: months when there was an unknown when we didn't know

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Speaker 1: much about the virus, we didn't have the ability to

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Speaker 1: test for it, We certainly didn't know how to treat it.

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Speaker 1: In fact, some of our treatments turned out to make

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Speaker 1: things worse. We didn't have vaccine for it. Now fast

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Speaker 1: forward to two years in that excuse is no longer

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Speaker 1: there anymore. We have over nine of our country has

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Speaker 1: some level of immunity boosters, tests, treatments are readily available.

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Speaker 1: Now is the time that we should be having more

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Speaker 1: freedom and tailor our actions to individual risks. These blanket

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Speaker 1: And the biggest fumble in my opinion when it comes

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Speaker 1: did not work, Doctor Sapphire. One of the troubling realities

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Speaker 1: of the pandemic this whole time, in terms of the

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Speaker 1: number of doctors that Clay and I both had this experience,

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Speaker 1: license or right. I don't want to have my peers

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Speaker 1: or even my hospital. Let's say, if you have admitting

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Speaker 1: what was right and what wasn't. Well. More than two

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Speaker 1: and that person that employed them tends to be a

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Speaker 1: large entity full of administrators who really countdown to a

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Speaker 1: lot of political movements, And unfortunately, we did allow a

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Speaker 1: lot of political intervening in healthcare from when they restricted

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Speaker 1: completely destroy, in my opinion, the American healthcare system. What unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: what has happened that is physicians all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: we're told that they weren't allowed to prescribe certain things,

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Speaker 1: go way back when to hydroxe chloroquin because that became

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Speaker 1: actually it had been studied in the original Stars virus.

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Speaker 1: long standing, well known hydroxychloroquine. Whether it works or not,

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Speaker 1: But because President Trump touted it. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: physicians were told you are not allowed to prescribe that medication. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the moments when you mentioned early on, maybe in March

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Speaker 1: That ended when all of these same experts said, yes,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote public health experts. Again, I think, unfortunately, we

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Speaker 1: a lot of the advisors to the President because they

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Speaker 1: or disproven that the mandates work or didn't work, and

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Speaker 1: They didn't do that. They had one job and they failed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Speaking to doctor Nicole Sapphire, y all

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Speaker 1: should go check out her books. She's got two of

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Speaker 1: them out there, Make America Healthy Again and Panic Attack

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Speaker 1: Playing Politics with Science in the Fight against COVID nineteen,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sapphire, one more for you here. Where do you

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Speaker 1: you are not in the business of telling someone that

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Speaker 1: they are a different gender than what their biology purports

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Speaker 1: to show when they are kindergartener's first grader, second graders,

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Speaker 1: and third graders, and the idea buck I would be

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Speaker 1: furious if my first grader came home and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: today at school, one of the teachers said that because

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Speaker 1: I had a pink shirt on today that I must

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Speaker 1: be a girl, and they sent me to the girls bathroom.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is crazy talk. We know what boys

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Speaker 1: and girls are like that there was that great meme

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Speaker 1: of Amy Coney Barrett. You know, when we had just

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Speaker 1: had the Katangi Brown Jackson hearings. She couldn't answer what

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Speaker 1: a woman was, and there was that Amy Coney Barrett

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Speaker 1: memorably had like a note card in front of her

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Speaker 1: and there was a meme where it just said boys

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Speaker 1: have penises, girls have vaginas. I don't understand how this

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Speaker 1: has become confusing or complicated for the Democrat Party. That's

447
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Speaker 1: one of the more memorable statements of fact from the

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Speaker 1: Garden Cop. For those who don't remember, Yes, which is

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Speaker 1: a you know, a movie. Evidently it's a hateful Historically,

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Speaker 1: it's not, you know, I remember, we all remember kind

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Speaker 1: of Garden Cop. Yes, and uh, I do want to

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Speaker 1: tie this in though, clay to why the libs of

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Speaker 1: TikTok hit piece also happen now? Because you notice Jensaki,

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly the right analysis of this. Jen Psaki

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Speaker 1: says this isn't a problem after saying it is a

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Speaker 1: problem because they can't get the story straight. You saw

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Speaker 1: this with CRT. You see this with the left a lot.

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Speaker 1: You saw it with inflation. But in the CRTs are

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Speaker 1: closer more analogous situation where they say that's not CRT.

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Speaker 1: No one's teaching CRT in school. Oh, you can't know

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Speaker 1: what CRT is unless you have a PhD too. Damn it,

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Speaker 1: they're not letting us teach CRT anymore. Right, They go

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Speaker 1: through these processes of trying to hide what's happening and

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Speaker 1: lie in missdirect exact same thing here. Why does this

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Speaker 1: time to libs of TikTok Because and to be some

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Speaker 1: of her stands, Libs of TikTok ends up being on

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson Show and ends up being on Facebook and

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Speaker 1: other platforms too. So it really was just a feeder

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Speaker 1: for but it was showing people teachers who were saying

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Speaker 1: how important it is to them to teach five year

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Speaker 1: olds crazy stuff. So Jen Saki's life is complicated to

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Speaker 1: lie to you, the concerned parents of America, about what

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Speaker 1: your kids are being taught, because she's out there saying

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Speaker 1: this is just about like what if somebody has you know,

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Speaker 1: gay parents. No, that's actually not what this is about.

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Speaker 1: It's about teachers who want to have pronoun choice day

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Speaker 1: and tell a little boy who's five who says, I

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Speaker 1: feel like a girl today. Oh, let's let's chase this

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Speaker 1: down and not tell your parents and maybe in a

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Speaker 1: few years we'll even have a transition for you. That's

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Speaker 1: what this is actually about. And that's why they were

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Speaker 1: trying to shut down Libs of TikTok because some libs

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Speaker 1: were saying it out loud. No, there's no doubt. And

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Speaker 1: this is when you know that you are over the target,

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Speaker 1: when you start taking flak. And what's amazing to me,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about this earlier in the week, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I really feel like the Democrats. I saw somebody tweet

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Speaker 1: this are trying to tank and I said, what could

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Speaker 1: they possibly be thinking on all of this? And someone

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Speaker 1: sent me an email and I thought it was an

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Speaker 1: interesting email regarding the masking and the decisions that are

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Speaker 1: being made, and they said the only thing I can

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Speaker 1: think lay because I agree with you and Buck. This

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Speaker 1: was the email was saying, Hey, it seems like they're

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Speaker 1: intentionally picking the worst argument of every single issue. Right.

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Speaker 1: If you had to sum up the Biden White House, Buck,

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Speaker 1: you and I, even if we were being hired to

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Speaker 1: try to spend for them, there's almost nothing we could

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Speaker 1: spend in their favor. And the argument was, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: and this is his argument, but I'm curious whether it

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Speaker 1: might actually be true. They are trying to set up

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Speaker 1: to be able to have all mail in ballots again

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00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: in November by saying COVID still hasn't gone away, and

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00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: that is their safety net, that's the only thing. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here trying to think, why would they be

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Speaker 1: arguing in favor of the DJ even appealing this mask situation.

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Speaker 1: And that's the only thing I can think, Buck, because

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Speaker 1: otherwise everything they're doing, the Bidas touch is destroying everything

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Speaker 1: that he touches. I gotta say, I hope, I really

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Speaker 1: hope that every Democrat running for office in Michigan, Wisconsin, Yep,

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Speaker 1: you know, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia. I hope that they really

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Speaker 1: really dig in. I mean, they really get get as

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Speaker 1: deep as they can on the issue of we absolutely

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Speaker 1: it is a core foundational right in society to have

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Speaker 1: publicly funded bureaucrats telling your five year old that it's

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Speaker 1: time for gender transition talk. I want them all to

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Speaker 1: run on this. Their party believes it, they should have

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Speaker 1: to defend it. I want them to explain why the

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Speaker 1: White House is putting out we need preadolescence to be

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Speaker 1: having gender transition surgery as well as hormones, and that

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Speaker 1: that is standard of care. And if you don't believe that,

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Speaker 1: you're a bigot, let's have them run on this. Go

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Speaker 1: for it, guys. Gofe Man, it's child abuse. It is,

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Speaker 1: without a shadow of a doubt in both of our opinions,

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Speaker 1: It's shameful, it's indefensible. Look. Friends, there's a riding instructor

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Speaker 1: more with relief Factor. Welcome back, Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. I wanted to mention this to you. We

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Speaker 1: were just playing that Jensake clip and by the way,

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Speaker 1: encourage all of you to go download the podcast and

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Speaker 1: make sure that you subscribe, because I know everybody's busy.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to have a smile on your face,

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Speaker 1: listen to the first hour of the show where we

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Speaker 1: tap danced on the grave of CNN Plus which has

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Speaker 1: been shut down. Lots of great stuff as always throughout

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Speaker 1: the course of all three hours, but if you really

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Speaker 1: want to have a smile on your face. I think

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Speaker 1: you'll love that. In the event you did not hear it,

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Speaker 1: you can search out my name, Clay Travis. You can

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Speaker 1: search out Buck Sexton hour one. It's all broken down

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Speaker 1: by hours. We know how busy you guys are. Buck.

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Speaker 1: My wife listens to the show on two X speed,

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Speaker 1: so like driving around, she downloads the podcast. She's busy.

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Speaker 1: We got three kids, and she says, I can hear

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Speaker 1: everything the entire show. But I listened to it on

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Speaker 1: two act. We sound like well, she said. She said.

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Speaker 1: When she listens to it live, she gets frustrated because

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Speaker 1: neither of us will speak fast enough because she's used

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Speaker 1: to hearing us on two X time. Yes, that's a thing.

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Speaker 1: If you're on the podcast, you can zoom through faster.

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Speaker 1: But what I was thinking, and maybe this comes from

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Speaker 1: actually having to be in the marketplace of ideas, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I'm not only thinking, and I know this is the

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Speaker 1: case for you as well. When we make arguments of

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Speaker 1: what we believe in, I'm not only making the argument

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Speaker 1: of what I believe in. I'm consciously, while I'm making

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Speaker 1: that argument, thinking about how my argument could be attacked

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Speaker 1: by someone who disagrees with it. That's the only way,

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Speaker 1: I think you can make really strong arguments, and I

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Speaker 1: think conservatives have to do that more because we're so

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Speaker 1: used to getting attacked. Right, well, I know I was

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00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna say it, and you're totally right. And it's important

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Speaker 1: that we always make sure that we give the best

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Speaker 1: version of the other side's arguments, so that I never

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Speaker 1: want anyoneho listens to this show to feel like they're

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Speaker 1: engaged in a debate or they're just even thinking about

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Speaker 1: an issue and don't have the real version of what. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we make fun of Biden all this stuff, but when

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Speaker 1: there are issues where there's a complexity or there's even

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Speaker 1: a compelling case the other side makes, even if we

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Speaker 1: think they're wrong, we'll tell everybody that I want. I

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Speaker 1: want everyone to be equipped with the best version of

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Speaker 1: the other side's argument so that they know, because then

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Speaker 1: you really know how rights you are too right, It's

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Speaker 1: it's easy. What the left does all the time is

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Speaker 1: misrepresent and there's actual data on this. There's sociological research

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Speaker 1: that's been done. I know what the Libs think, we

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Speaker 1: know what libs think. They actually don't know what we

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Speaker 1: and this audience thinks, which is fascinating. No, it's that

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Speaker 1: is one hundred percent right. And I always think about

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Speaker 1: any kind of debate as a boxing match, and if

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Speaker 1: you're not expecting for at some point somebody to bring

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Speaker 1: But if you're not expecting that Mike Tyson uppercut to

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Speaker 1: come at some point for you, you leave yourself wide open.

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Speaker 1: And I think buck that the left wing is so

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Speaker 1: weak right now because their arguments are almost universally embraced

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Speaker 1: by big corporations and big media, that they don't actually

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Speaker 1: know how to take a punch, and they don't even

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Speaker 1: see the punch is coming. And I was thinking that

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Speaker 1: in the context of the way that Jensaki responded, it's

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Speaker 1: so bad. She is the head basically communicator in public

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Speaker 1: for the Biden administration, and she's awful at her job

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Speaker 1: because I think the media is so complicit in giving

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Speaker 1: her layups that she's not even aware of how poorly

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Speaker 1: she's speaking when she says this is not an issue.

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Speaker 1: Immediately after she says, well, what do you say when

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Speaker 1: someone asks this question in a classroom? Yeah, you just

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Speaker 1: prove that it's an issue. Right, If you've got teachers

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Speaker 1: telling a little boy, hey you're not a boy, or

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Speaker 1: telling a little girl, hey you're not a girl. That

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Speaker 1: is the very essence of the issue. And that's what's

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Speaker 1: so amazing is that she can swing and miss that bad.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't see the punch's company. Well, this is why

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Speaker 1: they have to be so in control of the actual

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Speaker 1: communications systems. This is why the notion of Twitter. I

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Speaker 1: think about what we're seeing play out right now. The

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Speaker 1: richest man on the planet is being blocked from paying

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Speaker 1: a huge premium for a social media site that has

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Speaker 1: had a flat stock basically for the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: I mean it really has not been. Facebook has been

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Speaker 1: a you know, a cash gusher for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Twitter has not. You're the richest guy on the planet

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Speaker 1: is being blocked from buying a public company because it

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Speaker 1: is a threat to the Democrats control over conversation nationally

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Speaker 1: and globally. In fact, because their arguments are bad. This

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Speaker 1: is really when they have good arguments, I promise you

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Speaker 1: we will at least make them at some level. We

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Speaker 1: will arm you of them because I always we always

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Speaker 1: want our side to go into intellectual combat, ready to

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Speaker 1: go and trained. They have to just be able to

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Speaker 1: silence people and shut them down, Claire Off, they lose,

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Speaker 1: Which is why I think, as we get ready for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four, we need a brawler,

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Speaker 1: because I think that we are going to land some

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Speaker 1: knockout punches when the debates actually start if we have

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Speaker 1: good brawlers and good fighters, skilled tacticians, because they aren't

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Speaker 1: able to advocate for their sides without tripping all over themselves,

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Speaker 1: as you see Jensaki do all the time, and as

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Speaker 1: we played with Joe Biden. He can't even answer a

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Speaker 1: question about Title forty two right now without getting it

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Speaker 1: confused with what's going on with the mask mandate, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, he said yesterday basically, hey, make your

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Speaker 1: own choice. Now his own Department of Justice is going

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Speaker 1: to file an appeal against mask mandates on planes. Makes

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Speaker 1: no sense. We're the same ones there, easy this playing

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