1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: Come on, admit it. If you're my age, you remember 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: exactly where you were when you first heard this. That's 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: the sound of twenty year old Peter Frampton performing what 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: would become one of the top selling live records of 6 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: all time. It was five and Frampton Comes Alive would 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: change his life. He was young, but hardly a newcomer. 8 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: By then, he'd already made four solo records for her 9 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: Albert and Jerry Moss of an M Records. Frampton, who 10 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: recorded his first album when he was fourteen, started Humble 11 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: Pie when he was eighteen. Frampton's signature sound is a 12 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: mixture of virtuosic guitar a powerful voice in this electronic 13 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: device called a talk box. As it turns out, the 14 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: talk box wasn't his first successful foray into the world 15 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: of musical gadgets. I realized that I was a techie 16 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: when I was very young. I got my first reel 17 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: to reel tape machine, and then I figured out that 18 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: if I got another one, I could go sound on sound, 19 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, before any multi tracking sort of thing, you know, 20 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: And I figured that out pretty early. I was like, 21 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, ten or eleven. So I've been an engineer 22 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: as long as as long as I've been a music 23 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: that's helped you as a musician. You know, you're talking 24 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: to somebody who your music is like so important to 25 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: me about me growing up when I was a kid 26 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: and you were very young then, I mean humble kid, 27 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, you know when I was growing 28 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: there was like the Beatles, the Stones, Zeppelin, the Who 29 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: and Humble Pie. You don't want to know what I 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: put in my body listening to I mean, you don't 31 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: want to know. But anyway, So but my point is 32 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: that do you think that that work has made you 33 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: a better musician? Because you are such a virtuosic guitarist 34 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: and such a great guitarist. Sound is very inspirational to me. 35 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: I remember the reason that I wanted to learn guitar 36 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: was because I heard the sounds of all these people 37 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: on TV and on the radio electric guitar very young 38 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: and something. I have a very acute sense of sound, 39 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: and I've always had that if I don't have a 40 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: good sound, I can't play very well. So I've always 41 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: worked out what makes a good sound? How do you 42 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: get a good sound technically technically and then one of 43 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: the first sessions I ever did, Bill Wyman of The 44 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: Stones produced it when I was fourteen, and the first 45 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: engineer I worked with was Glynn Jones, who is if 46 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: people don't know, he's one of the most famous engineers 47 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: of all style Zeppelin Eagles that the band everybody Yeah, 48 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: humble by and then being a gadget freak. Early on, 49 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: I just was over like a little birdie on their 50 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: shoulder and I was, what's that? What are you doing there? 51 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: I just learned how to engineers, so I really enjoy 52 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: that part of it as well immensely. How do you 53 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: end up as a fourteen year old and Wyman wants 54 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: to produce your I started playing guitar just before I 55 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: was eight years old. And we're either your parents musical Yes, 56 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: um in England, Yes, about twelve miles south of London 57 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: and Bromley, Kent. And my mother was definitely would have 58 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: been an entertainer. She was, but my parents wouldn't allow 59 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: her to become an actress. She wanted to be an actress. 60 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Her father was a singer. Yes, we have a lot 61 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: of musical jeans and dad my dad played his teacher artist. 62 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: He played guitar in a college dance band before the war, 63 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: before he was more into his art, but he did. 64 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: He was the one that taught me how to sing 65 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: Michael Rowe the boat, you know, with two chords basically 66 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: and then hang down your head. Tom Dooley was another 67 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: big eeform. Then it was Eddie Cochrane, Buddy Holly and 68 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: our English the Shadows, cliff Ridgard and the Shadows. So 69 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: that's how I started playing guitar because of American music. Obviously, 70 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: that's what we all did, and we were all clamoring 71 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: for American music before the Beatles and then so I 72 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: was known in locally as this young, little upstart, good 73 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: guitar player, very young. Ended up in a semipro band 74 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: still at school that had the drummer that was the 75 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: original drummer of the Rolling Stones called Tony Chapman, who 76 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: introduced Bill to the Stones that he didn't end up 77 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: staying in the Stones, and Bill felt he owed him 78 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: a a favor. I would say said, look, put a 79 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: band together and I'll produce it. And he comes into 80 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: the music shop I'm working on the Saturdays when I'm 81 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: about fourteen and restringing guitars for the guy there. He said, 82 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: I want you to be in my band, you know. 83 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: I said, well, I have to speak to dad, you 84 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: know sort of thing. The first thing I know, we're 85 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: in a van. We pick up Bill Wyman and Penge 86 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: who sits in the front. The van goes very quiet. 87 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: We've got a rolling stone in front seat. We go 88 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: up to London and I meet Glenn John's and we 89 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: make a record like everyone is talking about soul. Did 90 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Record? It was called A 91 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: Hole in My Soul and it was a cover of 92 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: an American song and what was the name of the band, 93 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: The Preachers. So that was it, and so music was 94 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: your entire life. Yes, you're in the guitar shop and Kent, Yeah, 95 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: fixing strings on guitars from people shining guitars. And the 96 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: next thing you know, Bill Wyman's in the car and 97 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: you're off to go and do Holding my Soul with 98 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: the Preachers. Yes, I mean like he woked around us 99 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: so much. FID what year is this? This is sixty four, 100 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: So the Stones were and the Beatles were in full 101 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: swing by then, Yes, we did that year. The Stones 102 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: were given Ready steady go. They took over the show 103 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: Ready Steady Go for one week, and each one of 104 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: the Stones had their choice of act to be on, 105 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, and of course Bill chose us. So I'm 106 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: on TV when I'm just before I'm i turned fifteen? 107 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Is there any foot that if anybody's got it, Bill's 108 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: got it because he's he's the historian, you know. But 109 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 1: that was pretty amazing. Do you miss living in England? 110 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: You're such an American in so many ways. You lived 111 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: here for years, haven't two years? Seventy seventy five, I 112 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: came to New York. Actually I missed my family, my 113 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: brother and his family. I miss friends and stuff, but 114 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: my children are here. When I first came to America 115 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: with Humble Pie and I turned on the radio, I said, 116 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm moving here, it just seemed like this was the place. 117 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: It was all happening with the old and the Yeah. 118 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: And I'd lived through the swinging sixties of London, you know, 119 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: and that was exciting too. And I love England, don't 120 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: get me wrong, I just don't think I would ever 121 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: live there again. I was just I'd be too far 122 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: from my kids. Yeah. So when you finish the hole 123 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: in my soul on the show with Bill Wyman. He's 124 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: your selection there on the show. What happens then? Then, um, 125 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm sixteen. It's school holidays in the summer of big 126 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: local band The Herd come to me and say, we 127 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: saw you in the breaches and we're having a change around. 128 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: Would you come and help us out for the summer. 129 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: So I said, okay. So it gets close to September 130 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 1: when I'm going to go back to school and they said, 131 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: here's an offer. We want you to be the lead 132 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: guitarist and the lead guitarists going to play bass, and 133 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: we want to be a four piece out of five piece, 134 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: and would you join the Herd? I said, oh, I hear. 135 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: I've got to go back to school, do my sixth form, 136 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: get my A levels and go to Guildhall School in 137 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: the music. That was my plan to go to music college. 138 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, a beard right at least? Yeah, I haven't 139 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: even had a shandy yet, you know. So I went 140 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: to dad and mom and I said, look, I really 141 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: want to do this. It is a professional band. You know, 142 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: they're great, they're big band. And my dad said well, 143 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: and they knew that this was on the cards, you know, 144 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: this was coming up that they knew by this time 145 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: I was going to be a musician, and so he said, well, look, 146 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: if you let tier and you've got a job at 147 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: the post office, you get fifteen pounds a week. I 148 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: want to get an assurance from this band that you're 149 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: going to get fifteen pounds a week. I said, well, 150 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: if he can do that deal, that that'll be great. 151 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: I don't think they earn enough to pay themselves sifting 152 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: both said, well that's what you I'm going minimum wage 153 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: for you. So that was the last deal my dad 154 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: did for me. Because we started to become a little 155 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: better and earn more money. Beginning, they couldn't pay themselves fifty. 156 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: Eventually it was a bargain, yeah, because they paid me fifteen. 157 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: They got up style. So that was the end of 158 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: him as a manager. Everything changed and The Herd became 159 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: had like three big top ten hits and and I 160 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: became very well known in Europe as a guitar player singer. 161 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: Now by the time you leave the Herd, you leave 162 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: them in what year? The Herd? After the the these 163 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: three big hits and an album, we realized that we 164 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: were losing money still and there was no reason because 165 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: we saw the figures, what was coming in and what 166 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: we were getting paid and all that. So we reached 167 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: out and Steve Merritt and Ronnie Lane of the Small 168 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: Faces said, look, we've been through this. We've been screwed, 169 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, by management or business manager or whatever. They 170 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: clued us in, which was very nice to them, and 171 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: said they helped us produce a track or two on 172 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: on the next album we were going to do, which 173 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: they did. Meanwhile, I'm sitting in with the Small Faces 174 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: now at various functions and and wanted to join the 175 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: Small Faces. That wasn't to be. Steve wanted me to 176 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: join the Small Faces, but they weren't so thrilled with that. 177 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: So in the end Steve called me up and said, look, 178 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: I've left the Small Faces, Let's form a band. And 179 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: that's how Humble Pie basically formed in right at the 180 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: end of in sixty eight. So the two of those 181 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: things closely overlapped at the end of the herd and 182 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: forming the Humble Pie. Yes, And it was basically two 183 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: x teeny bopus does Steve Marratt was like the face 184 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: of sixty seven and I was the face of sixty 185 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: eight sort of thing. And by sixty eight. How old 186 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: are you now? You're eighteen years old and you've been 187 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: doing this professionally since you were fourteen years old, and 188 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: you're in the world of rock and roll, and especially 189 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: as we go from the sixties from sixty and it 190 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: gets a little more grainy, if you will, it gets 191 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: a little more vivid in terms of drugs and sex 192 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: of the culture. Was that difficult for you to be 193 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: the underaged you know, man child? I mean, you're you're 194 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: you're like Mozart, You're like this prodigy, but you're a 195 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: kid and you're in this rule with some pretty I 196 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: would imagine this pretty hard living people. Well, yeah, I 197 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: was pretty much of a late bloomer. I had to 198 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: really learn to drink, you know, people that expect you to. 199 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: I think, so this is yeah, it doesn't matter your age, 200 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: didn't really like you're in the army. Yeah, exact, you 201 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: got to swear and drink, you know, and now do drugs. 202 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: But I passed out so many times from anxiety attacks 203 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: from part I'm trying to get please. But anyway, I 204 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: managed it in the end, but not really. When I 205 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: was with Humble Pie, what changed. I think it was 206 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: my solo career and then getting to the point where 207 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: it was surreal, we're gonna get that. But that was 208 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: the time. So you with humble Pie and you're in England, Yes, 209 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: and you perform with them for how many years? Seventy one? 210 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: Four years? And well, how would you characterize that period 211 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: for stuff? Did you enjoy it? Unbelievable? They were very 212 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: popular Yes, in the States as well. Yes, that band 213 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: brought me to America where that's where we started. I 214 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: met I mean probably one of the first gigs I 215 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: met Bill Graham. You know, you realized now when I 216 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: look back, it was the beginning things of the creation 217 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: of rock and roll shows. Truly. Bill Graham was the 218 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: guy on how to do it live? Where would you 219 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: record humble Pie in London? We recorded an Olympic in 220 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: the famous Olympic where the Stones and Zeppelin recorded, and 221 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: I did all my solo stuff there as well. Either 222 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: there are Island Studios which Chris Black's place. You never 223 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: recorded in the US? No, No, The first thing we 224 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: ever did was record the live album of humble Pie 225 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: at the film All and Why did humble Pie And 226 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. I was feeling claustrophobic in the 227 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: band because we started off very democratic and doing it 228 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: all different types of music, and now our our stage 229 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: act was narrowing and we were just doing more more 230 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: of that heavy rock and roll, which I love. Don't 231 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: get me wrong. That's my riff, I don't need no Doctor. 232 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: That's me jamming the sound check in Madison Square Garden 233 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: and Steve just jumped up on the stage and started singing, 234 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: I Don't need no Doctor over that riff. He and 235 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: I were very much singing, yeah, yeah, he's the one 236 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: that says it's been a gas. Yeah, we go home 237 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: on Monday. On Monday. But what I'm tell that he 238 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: was probably a couple of years old, and when you 239 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: feel claustrophobic white because we want I wasn't being able 240 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: to do the music, all of this music that I 241 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: wanted to do. Humble Pie started off really split between 242 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: acoustic and electric. And also I was coming into my 243 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: own and Steve and I fought like brothers. Yes, that's 244 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: which we is why Humble Pie was so fiery, I 245 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: think because musically it was phenomenal. You know, sometimes we 246 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: degree and sometimes we just wouldn't agree. It was very 247 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: sad for me because I knew it would upset them, 248 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: but I just felt that I had to. It was 249 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: time to go on. And did you know where you 250 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: wanted to go? No idea, I knew that I was. 251 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: I didn't want to form another band. I wanted to 252 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: become a solo artist. Why because I wanted to make 253 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: all the decisions, because I'm a complete control freak. Did 254 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: you feel you wanted Yeah, you want to try things that. Yeah, 255 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to try things that maybe other people wouldn't 256 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: want to try. You know, I wanted to do it. 257 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: And I have to say that it wouldn't have been 258 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had a solo career had it not 259 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: been for Humble Pie. I learned so much from working 260 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: with Steve Marriott. I have to hand him a lot 261 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: of the credit for the sort of things that he 262 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: introduced me to listen too as well, music blues and 263 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: built black combo and stuff like that. That was really 264 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: influential to me. So that's why it was a bitter 265 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: sweet thing leaving. I wanted to leave, but I didn't 266 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: want to leave. And then, of course, as soon as 267 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: I left, the live album that I had a big 268 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: hand in mixing because I'm the Gadget Freak in the 269 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: Engineer with Eddie Kramer rock in the film or comes Out. 270 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: I've left right at that point, and it zooms up 271 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: the charts. It's Humble Pie's first gold record, and I'm going, 272 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: holy crap, that's it. It's the first big blooper of 273 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: my career. You know, I've made a big mistake. Seems 274 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: like Dad's back on the job in the office game. 275 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: I frammed him at this time, Yes, absolutely so. Then 276 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: it was four studio albums before we did Comes Alive, 277 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of a lot of touring 278 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: and where are you living then? You still I was 279 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: still living in England until seventy five, when I finished 280 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: the fourth solo record in England and then moved over. 281 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: I actually moved to New York and stayed at the 282 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: Mount Kisco Holiday Inn on New Year's Eve. Yeah, it 283 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: was beautiful, and found Bob Mayo Bob Mayo on keyboards 284 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: from the live record in the band at the holiday 285 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: and it's it's a long story, but yeah. So basically 286 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: the first day of seventy five was I was now 287 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: living in America. When you do Comes Alive, how much 288 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: of the music on that is new music on an album. 289 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: How much of it was stuff you mind from the 290 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: previous four solo albums. It was basically all stuff that 291 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: came from the four studio albums, and rock On from 292 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: shine On was a humble Pie track that I had written. 293 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: It was actually from five albums, So it's like six 294 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: years worth of work mining that went into that one 295 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: live record. And for people who don't know that live 296 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: performance was recorded in multiple locations, are in one. Most 297 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: of it was one location, which was winter Land in 298 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: Sanrancisco of Bill Graham gig where The Last Wolves was 299 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: filmed two nights before we'd played the Marine Civic Center 300 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: and we've done two shows there, so we recorded that. 301 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: I think a couple of numbers came from there, do 302 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: WI I think comes from there, maybe one of the 303 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: acoustic songs. But winter Land was the first big headline 304 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: show we'd ever done, I'd ever done with my name 305 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 1: on the ticket people were coming to see me for 306 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: because the album right prior to Comes Live Just Frampton 307 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: was the biggest one so far, biggest sellery had done, 308 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: sold like three hundred thousand copies, which was mega for me. 309 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: That was better than all things in that four album run. 310 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: Prior to the live album in winter Land, things were 311 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,239 Speaker 1: getting better than the same that they were, but that 312 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: one was definitely I'm setting me up. It was setting 313 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: me up for something. How many nights at winter Land 314 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: on one show? Okay? Okay, so stop, so let's cut 315 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: the bullshit. Let's cut the bullshit. You're in winter Land, 316 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: and would you say, and the show goes on what time? 317 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: Eight o'clock, nine o'clock, nine o'clock, yeah, probably probably somewhere, 318 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: and so somewhere between you pull up to winter Land 319 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: and you go out of quarter to nine, the devil 320 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: came in your room and made a deal with you. Correct, 321 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: you signed a deal with the devil, showed up, poured 322 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: himself a drink, sat down, said Peter. Peter, Peter, Peter, 323 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: let's cut, let's cut. It was Peter Cook. Actually it 324 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: was Peter Cook, and he's and he said, let's make 325 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: a deal. And the devil makes this deal with you. 326 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Because what happened, First of all, there's probably, if I'm 327 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: not mistaken, there wasn't people out there then. I thought 328 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: they were set, but it's it definitely sounds like it. 329 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: It's a big room. They go nuts when we walk 330 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: out and it just takes you to a different level. 331 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: You know. It felt good. It was one of those 332 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: shows when you come off and you look at the 333 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: band and you just go, I wish we'd recorded that. 334 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: That was like so good man. And then we went 335 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: who we did? You know? We did record that? We 336 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: forgot we were do you see? The event was so 337 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: much more important than the recording. I don't even remember 338 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: the truck being there. The recording is June of five Minutes, 339 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: released when we're still mixing right up for Christmas, and 340 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: then it comes out, I believe on like January seventeenth 341 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: or something like that, January nine or what happens? Well, 342 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: I knew we were going to tour the whole year, 343 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: so right after Christmas, I went down to the Bahamas 344 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: for ten days and relaxed. Before I left, we had 345 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: put one show on at Cobo Hall in Detroit, which 346 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: is a big rum and that's all I knew. And 347 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: so I go away and I don't call anybody. I'm 348 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: just on the beach and snorkeling or whatever. I come back. 349 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: We've sold four shows out, and I said, what happened? 350 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: You know? And the album has just started to be 351 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: on the radio, you know, and that's when everything just 352 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: went went through the roof, you know, after all this time. 353 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: People think it is overnight, but it's not overnight in 354 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: the scheme of things. But but it's a huge leap 355 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: for you. Yes, but it's not overnight success, but it is. 356 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: It's a heady experience. Is it still the highest selling 357 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: live album of all time? It's in dispute, yeah, but 358 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: up there, yeah, because my record is only counted as 359 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: one one album. Certain other artists had it made so 360 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: that you could count um, if you released six CD 361 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: live set, you can count it six times, while they 362 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: didn't do that retroactively. So in my mind it's still 363 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: the biggest selling and eventually how many albums did yourself? 364 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: We're up in the seventeen million now seventeen million records 365 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: of right, this is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to 366 00:22:54,119 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: Here's the Thing back with more of Peter Frampton. When 367 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: you come out of that experience and having this huge thing, 368 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you not about how it 369 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: affected your career wise, because obviously that wasn't important. How 370 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: did it affect you personally? Were you married at the time. 371 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: I had a girlfriend at the time. I don't think 372 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: anybody can be ready for that kind of success, and 373 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm pretty down to earth person. I take things as 374 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: they come. As I said earlier to you, I was 375 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: a late bloomer when it came to dulling anything. You know, 376 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: it was almost unbelievable the amount of success. Get these 377 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: phone calls in quick succession, your number one in in 378 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: the charts, you know, and I'm going, wait a second, 379 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: say that one more time, and who are you? And 380 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: then within three or four weeks of that, I get 381 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: the call saying it the biggest selling record of all time. 382 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: You've just outsold Carol King's tapestry and it's um was 383 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: that the time you thought of you had to start 384 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: them in yourself? Yeah, it was crazy because people just 385 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: wanted how to deal with that. No, it was very 386 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: don't know how to deal with how people treat you 387 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: differently exactly, and being always being respectful and and never 388 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: really thinking of myself as anything special because I've never 389 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: been That's just not my do you. I felt embarrassed 390 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: that I was that this entity became it was me 391 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: over here, you know. Yes, it was very hard to 392 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: deal with. What were you proud of the record. Oh 393 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, I'm still because it's one thing when 394 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: people become famous and have, regardless of their of the 395 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: ramp up, regardless of the whole timeline of their career, 396 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: and then they have some sizemic event like that and 397 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: they don't really deserve it. And me, in your case, 398 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: you're great, I mean you really are phenomenal. But aside 399 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: from your own gifts, who helped really really make the 400 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: record roll out that way? Jerry Jerry deaf Well. I 401 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: have to say Jerry and Hub for sticking with me 402 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: as they stuck with Humble Pie too. They stuck with police. 403 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: They stuck while police happen pretty quickly. But there's a 404 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: lot of acts in those days that needed nurturing, needed nurturing, 405 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: and it was like a club, you know, you come 406 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: over here, and Jerry and Herb never told us what 407 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: to write or what to record. They let us do 408 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: our thing and find ourselves. And I have to say 409 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: the Anthony the manager, was a great promoter. He wasn't 410 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: terrific with finances, but especially mine. And then Frank Barcelona, 411 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: the agent, who was if you want with Frank, you 412 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: weren't anybody you know that was premier talent was the 413 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: city handle everybody Springsteen, let's up, I mean everybody, the who, 414 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: the lot? Everybody? Did that plague you with the I'm 415 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: about finances? Did you find that that that you didn't 416 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: get what you thought was fair? Well? I was ripped off, 417 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean. But but I would go back and talk 418 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: to Bill Wyman, you know, because he's sort of like 419 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: my mentor my my older brother. He said, we all 420 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: get ripped off Stones the Beatles, we all got ripped off, 421 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: you know, and then you learn and go and do 422 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: it again. You know. I'll tell you why it happens. 423 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: It's because I'm a musician. I'm a creative person. I've 424 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: never done what I do for money. I'm stupid when 425 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: it comes to money, you know. And you had a 426 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: lot of money on the table, yes, so I trusted 427 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: people to look after things for me, and they didn't. 428 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: They took it. Did that change after you had the 429 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: number one selling album in the world. But that's when 430 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: it happened, That's when it started. And some people don't 431 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: happen to over and over again. But I have a 432 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: team now that I wish I had then, obviously, but 433 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: and I become I actually treated myself in math a 434 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: little bit after No, But it's you know what I mean, 435 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: I have to blame myself as much as I blame 436 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: everybody else. I mean, you most want to believe as 437 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: I do, that that I couldn't do. You might not 438 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: have been able to do the work you did on 439 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: the level you did if your mind was on something else. Yeah, 440 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: when something really big hits in the entertainment business, it's 441 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: like feast or famine. It's either it's not a hit movie, record, whatever, 442 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: and nothing comes in, or it's like a blockbuster and 443 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: all this money comes in and it all comes into 444 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: one place. And when you see a pile of money 445 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: like this, it brings out thoughts that people didn't normally 446 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: have before, you know what I mean. It's the the 447 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: availability of all that cash all at once. You know that. Well, 448 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: especially in the music business, because it's nothing like the 449 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: music business for making money except for the fact that 450 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: music is free. Now well, it's it is different now, yeah. 451 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you used to tour to promote the record, 452 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: and now you make the record to promote the tour. 453 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: The record is a giveaway, the c D is a giveaway. 454 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: The dollars are in the live performing. Yes, that's how 455 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: it is for you. Well, yeah, that's that's start. Yeah, 456 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: And luckily my reputation is as a live performer, so 457 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: it's been phenomenal for me. But it's hard work touring, 458 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: but I love it, so that's not hard work for me. 459 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: You came into New York recently and you did that 460 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: at the Beacon here in New York. Yes, And how 461 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: many shows did you do? For most of thirteen months, 462 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: we were doing five shows a week, and it's a 463 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: three hour show, so we were doing Comes Alive first, 464 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: which is an hour and forty and then we were 465 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: doing excerpts from everything else in my career as well 466 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: for another hour and fifteen or you know, so it 467 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: was we were killing ourselves. How did it feel? Well? 468 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: It felt great. The first show we did was in 469 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey, the first time you did Comes to Live, 470 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: first time we played it since seventy six, you know. 471 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: And then the second show was the Beacon, the place 472 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: one nuts. You know, they just went berserve. You know 473 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna do it again. I don't know whether I'll 474 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: do the entire thing again, Comes Alive again, Not for 475 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 1: a while anyway, damn it. No, No, you. We filmed 476 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: it and the film it Yeah, at the Beacon and 477 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: in what are youna do with that? Where is that going? 478 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a DVD. In fact, that's where I'm 479 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: going on Sunday to go back home to my studio 480 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,239 Speaker 1: to mix the audio. What are you gonna do when 481 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna release it as a dis is a DVD? Now? 482 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: Probably just be a DVD. And I don't want to 483 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: do this on TV. Oh i'd love to. Yeah, have 484 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: you got an in there? Maybe? Oh? I can't believe 485 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: if it's a doctor. Are there any backstage footage? I've 486 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: got the story and it's filmed of when my guitar 487 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: was returned. What happened to that guitar? What's the story? Well, Um, 488 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: first of all, we're talking about the guitar that's on 489 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: the front cover of Comes Alive, which I got given 490 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: to me by Mark Marian in seventy when I was 491 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: playing the film or West with Humble Pie, and I 492 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: was having a terrible time with the guitar that I 493 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: had at that that night and Mark said to me, 494 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, I could see you having problems with that. 495 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: You want to try my less Paul tomorrow. I said, well, 496 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm not really big on less pause, but okay, all right, 497 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: anything is better than this. So he brought it to me. 498 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: I played it. I don't think my feet touched the 499 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: ground the entire That's the best guitar I've ever played. 500 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: Fifty So then I played that guitar on Rock On 501 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: and also of Humble Pie and also Rock in the 502 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: film or that's the guitar I use on there. Basically 503 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: I used that exclusively. It's the only guitar I play 504 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: all the way through all my solo records and including 505 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Frampton Comes Alive. And you were never attempted to put 506 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: that down. And that was it. That was married that. Yes, yes, 507 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: it was just this one. I had a fifty five 508 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: strat that I would always use for Show Me the 509 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: Way because I needed a cleaner sound, you know. So 510 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: that was that was on Show Me the Way. So 511 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: then we get to touring South America. We just finished 512 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: playing Caracas, Venezuela, and we had a day off, and 513 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: so we flew commercially to a Panama waiting for the 514 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: gear to arrive on a cargo plane. While it never 515 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: got off the runway in Caracas, it crashed on take off, 516 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: my road manager came to me. I'm having this huge 517 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: meal on my day off with my wife at the time, 518 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: and he said, I got some bad news and he says, 519 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: the plane crashed on takeoff. I said, my guitar, he said, 520 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: and like six people loading people, the pilot, co pilot, loading, inspector, 521 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: all that. So I mean, yeah, people died. So that 522 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: took precedent over everything. Then it put it in perspect 523 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: div you know, and there's the pilot's wife sitting at 524 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: the bar who doesn't know yet. It was horrendous. So anyway, 525 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: we limped through the end of that tour basically with 526 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: borrowed equipment. Sent someone down my guitar tech at the 527 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: time a week later to see what was left. Nothing 528 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: was left, supposedly, and what had happened. The tailor had 529 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: broken off. Guitars were actually in a trunk in cases, 530 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: and the way the story goes is they had a 531 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: guard to guard the crash site the debris sid until 532 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: the insurance people came down and he decided that the 533 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: guitars would be much safer at his house. Yes, and 534 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: then Caracas. Yes, in Caracas two years ago, which is 535 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: thirty years thirty years later, I opened my info at 536 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: Frampton dot com email because anybody can email me and 537 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: I see them all. I opened up this one and 538 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: there's a picture, a photograph of my guitar slightly singed, 539 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: but but it's my laly sing right at the top, 540 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, slightly singed, but but there it is. There's 541 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: a picture, and I thought could picture where in an 542 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: email to me from someone who would got ahold of 543 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: the guitar. As it happens in Kurasau, which is a 544 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: little island off the coast of Caracas. Someone had sold 545 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: it to this gentleman and he took it to someone 546 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: who fixed guitars, and they knew what it was. And 547 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: it took two years of a very gray area and 548 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: was he's saying like, I don't want to get proceed. 549 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: I want to get this guitary, but I want to 550 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: go to jail. That was the thing. No one wanted 551 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: to actually come money. It wasn't he wanted to. There 552 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: was money involved, but he would have appreciated a gratuity. 553 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: There was a reward talked about, but every time it 554 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: would get close to someone coming in, they'd find something 555 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: reason why they couldn't come in so that's why it 556 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: took two years. And then in the end the guy 557 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: actually checked to see if we had booked him a 558 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: hotel because he just saw himself in handcuffs at Miami Airport. 559 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: You know. He knew who had it, and the person 560 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: who hadn't needed some money, and so he went to 561 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: the tourist Bureau of Curasao and said, look, if you 562 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: lend me the money or give me the money to 563 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: go by this, I can find this. This is really 564 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: great tourism story for Curasao. And and they did, and 565 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: they came and the two of them, the tourism president 566 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: of the tourism board from the government, and the gentleman 567 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: who found the guitar, knew where it was, brought it 568 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: to Nashville. We had three cameras as soon as he 569 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: waited in waiting, and what happens while the two gentlemen 570 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: walk in and he's got it in this probably one 571 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: of the worst looking gig bags I've ever seen in 572 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: my life, cheap, old plastic. He puts it beside him, 573 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: you know, and he tells the story in broken English 574 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: of how this person had it and the whole thing. 575 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: He hands it to me and he goes Philip to 576 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: Peter Philip so and I know that he knows because 577 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: it was the lightest les Paul I'd ever played. So 578 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: I just felt it in the case and who this 579 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: could be it? You know, opened it up. I just 580 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: looked at it and I just feel it like that. 581 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: I go, it's my guitar. How badly was it cinched? 582 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: Where just round the very top it lost the binding 583 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: around the head stock? You get that replaced? No, I didn't. 584 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: I left it. I've left it with its battle scars. 585 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: Gibson made it playable, so we refreshed the caracas kiss 586 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: and there is this sound the same. Does it feel 587 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, And when I first played it at 588 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: rehearsals with the band, everybody had this like cheshire cat 589 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: grin on their face because it has the sound and 590 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: it sounds like Frampton comes alive. You know, you don't 591 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: have to try too hard. And you got that back 592 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: when I got it back. Just before we started touring 593 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: in February and March for the last American leg, I 594 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: used it a little bit at rehearsals, and then I 595 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: brought it out for the first night at the Beacon. 596 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: I think the guitar is more famous than I am now, 597 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: So you were meant to play that music with that guitar. Yeah, 598 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: And I remember saying someone that before I went out 599 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: that night. I just hope emotionally I'm going to be 600 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: able to play it. And I brought it out for 601 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: Do You Feel? And I messed up the first leg 602 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: because I couldn't believe I was playing how can you 603 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: fumble dead? Or me? I did? It was like meant 604 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: to be, you know I And once I got it 605 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: was saying to me, come on, get it together, you know, 606 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: And yes, it's I'm now get over it, you know. 607 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: Peter Frampton has just completed his thirty fifth anniversary tour 608 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: of Frampton Comes Alive, and says he plans to release 609 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: the DVD this fall. In addition to celebrating his past, 610 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: he's also busy with new projects, including a collaboration with 611 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Ballet, which will debut next spring. What music 612 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: do you listen to? Now? Who do you like? Um? 613 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: Right now? This week? Band of Skulls. My son telled 614 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: me onto and daughter tell me onto them. And I 615 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: went to Coach Ella I saw Radiohead. I still I'm 616 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: a Radiohead fanatic. I just loved them. I think they're 617 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: so not mainstream, but they became mainstream because they're just 618 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: so unique. It was an eye opener for me to 619 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: go to Coach Allen with my daughter who's sixteen, and 620 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: just have fun. MH, this is Alec Baldwin. And if 621 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: you haven't figured this out by now, I'm one of 622 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: Peter Frampton's biggest fans. H. You know, I haven't said 623 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: this too many people who come and down this show, 624 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: but I can't thank you enough because your music is 625 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: so important to me. Thank you, and I have listened 626 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: to you and I have loved your music, and you're 627 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: playing for so long. I mean, it's like it's such 628 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: a part of my life. You are great, great, welcome. Thanks. 629 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 1: Here's the Thing is produced by Emily Boutine and Kathy Russo, 630 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: with support from Jim Briggs, Brian Cosgrove, Wendy Door, ed Herbstman, 631 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: Melanie Hoops, Monica Hopkins and Arianna Pacari. This is Alec 632 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing.