1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,199 Speaker 1: Introducing The Fountain Road Files, a new horror fiction podcast 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: from Unexplained creator Richard McClean smith. In March twenty twenty, 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: twenty seven year old cafe worker Ben Williams began recording 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: an audio diary of the coronavirus pandemic. Two months later, 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: he was found dead in the South London flat where 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: he was spending lockdown alone, or so he thought. Search 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: the Fountain Road Files wherever you get your podcasts, and 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: for more information go to the Fountain Road Files dot com. 9 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Unexplained Extra with me Richard McClain smith, where 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: for the weeks in between episodes, we look at stories 11 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: and ideas that, for one reason or other, didn't make 12 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: it into the previous show. In the last episode you 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: in there, we got a little eerie in Indiana with 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: the story of LaToya Ammons and her beleagued young family. 15 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: Back in twenty twelve, LaToya became convinced that she and 16 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: her children were being tormented by demonic entities at their 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: home in Gary, Indiana. After an assessment by the Department 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: of Child Services, it was decided that it wasn't demons 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: at all that were plaguing the family. But Latoya's overactive imagination. 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: As a result, the young mother of three was separated 21 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: from her children until she could essentially demonstrate that she 22 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: no longer considered demons to be real, or rather that 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: demons may be real, but they couldn't have any tangible 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: effect on her reality, because to accept demons and evil 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: entities weren't real would effectively mean LaToya having to accept 26 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: her faith and the God she believed in was not 27 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: real either, because all these things are in many ways 28 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: contingent on each other's existence. This, of course, was not 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: how her case was written up, but in practical terms, 30 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: this is what the assessment amounted to. Yet this is 31 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: something that would most likely never be asked or expected 32 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: of her by the State department of virtually any nation, 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: no matter how secular its society. And here is a 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: strange conflict that often pervades this kind of story that 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: even in the most secular societies, where medical institutions will 36 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: have no problem in referring to a belief in demonic 37 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: entities or the thought that you might be possessed, or 38 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: that your hearing voices as being reflective of a delusion, rarely, 39 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: if ever, will an individual's belief in a god or 40 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: higher power in the traditional sense be undermined in the 41 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: same way. Which isn't to say that I think people 42 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: should therefore be encouraged to believe in demonic entities, but 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: rather just to draw attention to how thin the line 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: is between those potential fictions we are more willing to 45 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: indulge and those which we are not. Stories about things 46 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: that may or may not be true. Aren't, of course 47 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: restricted to the supernatural. So much of our world and 48 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: how we comprehend it is based on fictions that can 49 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: become so ingrained we can often take for granted just 50 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: how mutable and arbitrary they really are, such as the 51 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: rules of our favorite sport or the borders of a country, 52 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: for example. Such seemingly solid and fixed things have always 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: changed and shifted over time and will continue to do so, 54 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: which doesn't mean fictions are bad things necessarily, or that 55 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: we must always be looking to deconstruct them. Though there 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: are undoubtedly fictions that don't serve as well, many are 57 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: useful to us. One stark way in which we can 58 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: see this in operation is validation therapy, a controversial technique 59 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: first developed by US academic Naomi Fell in the nineteen sixties. 60 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: The therapy encourage relatives and careers of people suffering from 61 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: cognitive impairments such as Alzheimer's disease to engage with the 62 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: suffer's experience rather than deny it or try to coax 63 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: them out of it, no matter how unreal we might 64 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: consider it to be. If an individual with Alzheimer's wants 65 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: to tell you about the lavish wedding they went to 66 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: that morning, for example, rather than try to remind them 67 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: that they haven't left the house or day, you might 68 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: instead ask them to tell you more about the dress 69 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: they wore or how good the food was. Though many 70 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: have questioned the merits of this technique, others have found 71 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: it invaluable in reducing the stress of the condition for 72 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: both sufferers and those closest to them, all of which 73 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: put me in mind of the time Vanity Fair magazine 74 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: sent William Friedkin to Rome to spend some time with 75 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 1: the Vatican's chief exorcist, Father Gabriel Amorth, and posed the question, 76 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: might exorcism, too have a useful function even if there 77 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: are no such thing as demons? On December twenty sixth, 78 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, Warner Brothers released the film The Exorcist, 79 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: widely regarded as a cinematic masterpiece and one of the 80 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: most iconic films of all time. Viewers might not think 81 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: it today, but it's hard to underestimate the impact of 82 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: the film when it first screamed. Many cinemas reported audience 83 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: members fainting, crying, and vomiting in the aisles, with ambulances 84 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: and paramedics regularly dispatched to attend to the hapless viewers. 85 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: It was even effectively banned on video in the UK 86 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: until nineteen ninety nine, after Warner Brothers decided against submitting 87 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: the film for classification due to the likelihood that it 88 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been accepted anyway. Incredibly, such a band was 89 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: not anticipated because of any misrepresentation of possession or exorcism, 90 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: but rather because Friedkin's rendering of the process was considered 91 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: so realistic there were fears that it would lead to 92 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: an outbreak of mass hysteria. It may be surprising, therefore, 93 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: to learn that Freakin had never actually witnessed an exorcism 94 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: before making the film. All that changed, however, when in 95 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: May twenty sixteen, he was invited to attend the Exorcism 96 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: of a young woman given the name Rosa, conducted by 97 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: exorcist Father Gabriel Amorth. Friedkin's account of the event, later 98 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: published in Vanity Fair, is every inch as terrifying and 99 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: dramatic as that depicted in his film. Rosa, a woman 100 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: in her late thirties, had been visiting Father Amorth for 101 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: nine months and was having her ninth exorcism when Friedkin 102 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: joined to watch. Over the next hour or so, as 103 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Amorth conducted the ritual, Rosa appeared to fall in and 104 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: out of consciousness, sometimes into trances, and would scream and 105 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: thrash her body wildly. In the moments between Father Amorth 106 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: compelled the apparent legion of demons that possessed her to 107 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: leave her body, she would scream no in reply, or 108 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: implore the priest in a deep and unfamiliar voice to 109 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: leave her alone. At other times, the voice would proclaim 110 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: violently that it was satan. Throughout the session, Friedkin claimed 111 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: that while the room was cold, everyone inside was sweating, 112 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: with the exception of Rosa. Finally, with the exorcism over, 113 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Rosa appeared to return to her normal self, but claimed 114 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: to have no recollection of what had taken place. Friedkin 115 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: an avowed agnostic, was unnerved by what he had seen 116 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: and showed the footage to a number of leading psychiatrists, 117 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: including doctor Roberto Lewis Fernandez, President Elect of the World 118 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Association of Cultural Psychiatry, and doctor Jeffrey Lieberman, director of 119 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: New York State Psychiatric Institute. Lewis Fernandez had worked to 120 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: add the word possession to the description of dissociative identity 121 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: disorder found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 122 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: the industry standard classification manual. Although neither would claim Rosa's 123 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,559 Speaker 1: condition to be the result of supernatural forces. Liebermann did, however, 124 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: note that treating her symptoms as demonic possession may not 125 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: be the worst thing, implying that if she believed in 126 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: it so strongly, practicing an exorcism on her might be 127 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: sufficient to convince her that she'd been cured. In this sense, 128 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: the question of the existence of Satan and demons could 129 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: be considered irrelevant in relation to the well being of 130 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: the patient. If the patient has come to believe in 131 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: a world where Satan is real, an exorcist operating with 132 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: sincerity in that world, too, may bring a comfort to 133 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: the inflicted individual. Much in the way that validation therapy 134 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: might help the sufferer of Altzheimon's. It is an example, 135 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: perhaps of where what somebody feels may be more important 136 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: what is rational or logical, where something feeling true can 137 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: be more powerful than the truth itself. Unexplained, the book 138 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: and audiobook, featuring ten stories that have never before been 139 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: covered on the show, is now available to buy worldwide. 140 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: You can purchase through Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and Waterstones, 141 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: among other bookstores. All elements of Unexplained, including the show's music, 142 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: are produced by me Richard McClain smith. Please subscribe and 143 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: rate the show wherever you listen to podcasts, and feel 144 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: free to get in touch with any thoughts or ideas 145 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: regarding the stories you've heard on the show. 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